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I'm Alan Duke. 28 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: The prosecutor who sent Colorado dad Chris Watts to prison 29 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: for life. He admitted murdering his pregnant wife and two 30 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: young daughters. Released hours of police interrogations today and you 31 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: can hear them on Nancy's crime and justice website crime 32 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: online dot com. You will hear Wats confessed to detectives 33 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: that he killed his wife, but you'll also hear his 34 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: lie that he did it in a rage after seeing 35 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: her on a baby monitor strangle one of their daughters. 36 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: They're going to be The prosecutor also released the police 37 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: interview with Chris Watts's mistress, Nicole Kessinger. She told investigators 38 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: about intimate details of their relationship and what she knew 39 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: about his family. The two met at work, flirting in 40 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: the hallways for months before going out, and then one 41 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: day he told me that he had two kids. I 42 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: was sorry, that's pretty cool, and so tell me what 43 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: his kids. That sounded like a sarcastic coming. No, I 44 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: thought it was kind of cute. I was like, oh, 45 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: he's a dad. It was like greater her own father's 46 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: day too. Nicole says Watts did not wear a wedding ring. 47 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: Thing was is He was never hostile. It was never 48 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: anything aggressive, like even when he spoke of his wife 49 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: and the fact that they were separating, it was never 50 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: like ill. It was very it was still very kind. 51 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: It was just like, this is not working. Kessinger says 52 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: she started dating Watts in June twenty eighteen, and she 53 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: thought he was in the final stages of a divorce. 54 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: I didn't know his significant other's name for a while, 55 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: and then I think he told me his kid's names 56 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: pretty quick. But a police arch of Nicole's computer revealed 57 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: she researched Shannon watch his name online in September, a 58 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: year before. Did he ever tell you that he loved you? Yes, 59 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: he did. Did you ever tell him the same a 60 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: couple of times? She says she was concerned about baggage 61 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: Watts might bring from his first marriage into their relationship. 62 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: I mean, he just told me. He's like, we're housebroke 63 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: all the time, and I was just like, that's unfortunate. 64 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: And I asked him. I was like, d have four 65 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: O one K and he was like yeah. And I mean, 66 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: the reason I asked him this is because if I 67 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: get into relationship with somebody, I want to know, like 68 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: what kind of baggage that they have. I think that's important. 69 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: But looking back, Nicole says she had no warning signs 70 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: about how much baggage Watts carried to this day, even 71 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: after everything that I found out, I still look back 72 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: at that and I don't see any red lights. With 73 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: the way that he spoke of his family. Watts was 74 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: bold enough to take his mistress several times to the 75 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: home he shared with his wife and kids. I saw 76 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: a picture of his wife and one of his kids, 77 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: and I remember thinking to myself, like, Wow, she's so beautiful, 78 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: and I took a step back and I was just like, 79 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: this man has a gorgeous house, he has beautiful babies, 80 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: he has a beautiful wife, he has an awesome job. 81 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: Why would he want to leave this? And I remember 82 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: talking him about it, and that was the first time 83 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: that I tried to actually say, what do you think 84 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: about not separating from your wife? Like what if you 85 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: really try to work on this? And he had expressed 86 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: to me that we've tried to work on this and 87 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: it's not working, so that is why we're separating. And 88 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: I spent some time like just you know, kind of 89 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: because it almost made me feel bad where I was 90 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: like to the point where I'm engaging in a relationship 91 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: with a man who the way he described it as 92 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: in a contractual agreement, but was not in like an 93 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: emotional relationship with somebody. And for me, the way I 94 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: would have preferred to do this is to have waited 95 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: until that contractual agreement was also done and he was done, 96 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: and he could have approached me and said, I'm just 97 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: had a divorce, you know, maybe we could take the 98 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: slow what do you think? But instead it was, oh, 99 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: we're separated and we're working on a divorce. And that 100 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: is the part that I feel bad about because I 101 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: should wait it on that and I didn't. It was 102 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: the media coverage of the search for watts missing family 103 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: in August that finally made Nicole realize Watts was a liar, 104 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: maybe a killer. She called cops after reading in the 105 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: newspaper that shone On Watts was four months pregnant. Before 106 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: calling police, though, she deleted everything from her phone relating 107 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: to Chris, you'd found out that his wife was pregnant, 108 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: and I yes, and you did not know that prior 109 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: and you found that out via the newspaper articles and 110 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: that caused you concern. Well, I just realized that he 111 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: was lying to me, and I was like, well, if 112 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: you can lie to me about this, what else do 113 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 1: you lying to me about? And it made me realize 114 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: that maybe his wife was in danger at that point, 115 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: and it was day two two and she still wasn't home. 116 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: What did that cause you to do with your phone? Though? Oh? What? 117 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: When I deleted those I was just kind of grossed 118 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: out by him, to be honest with you, I was 119 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: just like, I don't know what's going on right now. 120 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: You just lied to me, and I don't want to 121 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: see this come over my phone anymore. So I removed it. 122 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: So you just you already said, but you removed text messages. 123 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: I deleted all of his stuff because he lied to me. 124 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it was. It was it was 125 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: the hurt that made me delete it. And then it 126 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: was the lie that made me start questioning everything else 127 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: you'd been telling me for the last few days, and 128 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: that's when you decided to come forward. Yes. Watch the 129 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: full interview with Nicole Wessinger and the police interviews of 130 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: Chris Watts on Nancy's crime and justice website Crime online 131 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: dot Com Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A tragic scene 132 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: just two days before Thanksgiving, a home that should be 133 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: filled with family preparing for the holiday instead surrounded by 134 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: dozens of fire trucks. The mansionoff Route thirty four on 135 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: Willowbrook Road went off lame's Tuesday afternoon. Firefighters were called 136 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: here around one pm to find one man and dead 137 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: just outside the house, and inside three more bodies, another 138 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: adult and two children. Unfortunately, they were burned severely as 139 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: a result of the fire that they were too, so 140 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: that's making things somewhat challenging with the medical examination that 141 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: needs to ensue. The bodies have not been identified, but 142 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: property records show the homeowners as Keith and Jennifer Canaro. 143 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: Investigators soon realized the family owned his house has relatives 144 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: about ten miles away Shan Township, and their home also 145 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: caught fire earlier the same day. Wonderful people, very nice, 146 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: very friendly. Anybody that you'd want to be living next 147 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: door to a tech company giant. A CEO and his 148 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: wife found dead along with their two little children in 149 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: a huge blaze and a nearly two million dollar mansion. 150 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: Police now revealing the husband found outside the home with 151 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: a deadly gunshot wound. So, of course, at first glance, 152 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: so you would think this was an arson, but no 153 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: gunshots involved. What happened? I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime 154 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: Stories bombshell. Now we are learning murder charges have been 155 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: filed in the colts Neck fire. Allegedly this man killed 156 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: his brother and his brother's entire family, the wife, Jennifer, 157 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: the two little children, and set the home on fire. 158 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: It's almost more than I can take in straight out 159 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: to crime online dot Com investigative reporter Robin or Lensky, Robin, 160 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: what happened? Well? The Mamas County Prosecutor has connected the 161 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: docks with his many investigators on this case in colts Neck, 162 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: New Jersey, and Paul Knaro is charged. The older brother 163 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: is now charged with four counts of murder. Nancy. This 164 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: is for allegedly killing his younger brother, Keith fifty there 165 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: you're a part. His wife, Jennifer, forty five years old, 166 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: and the two little kids, little Jesse who was eleven 167 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: and Sophia just eight years old in the third grade. 168 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: All dead. Take a listen to Mammoth County, New Jersey 169 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: Prosecutor Christopher Gramuccione. We have charged defendant Canaro with four 170 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: counts of murder, one count of aggravated arson, one count 171 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: of possession of a firearm for an unlawful purpose, and 172 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: one count of possession of a knife for an unlawful purpose. 173 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: These charges that were filed this morning are in addition 174 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: to the charge that was filed last week out of 175 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: Ocean Township for the alleged aggravated arson of the defendant's 176 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: own home. And by filing these charges, the state alleges 177 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: that the defendant murdered his brother, Keith Canaro, and Keith's 178 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: entire family, his two children, Sophia and Jesse, and his 179 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: wife Jennifer during the early morning hours of Tuesday, November twentieth. Specifically, 180 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: we alleged that the defendant repeatedly shot and killed his 181 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: brother while he was outside of the side of his 182 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: home and then moved to murder the rest of the 183 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: family inside the home. We alleged that Jennifer was shot 184 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: and stabbed, and the two Canaro children were repeatedly stabbed 185 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: by knife. We also alleged that after murdering the Canaro family, 186 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: the defendant then set fire to the house at fifteen 187 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 1: Willowbrook and Colteneck in an effort to conceal and disguise 188 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: his earlier committing crimes. You know, I'm trying to just 189 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: understand the frame of mind that would convince you that 190 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: it's okay not only to murder your brother, but his 191 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: wife who's clearly probably still asleep, and the two little children. 192 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: How do you ever feel justified in murdering children? You don't, Nancy, 193 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think you need to look at 194 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: this guy. They need to look at him very carefully 195 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 1: and what the motivator was. He was involved in business businesses, 196 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: multiple businesses with his brother since the nineties. They had 197 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: a successful tech company. They also had a pesticide company 198 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: operated out of the same building in Edsbury Park, New Jersey, 199 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: also in Mamma's County home originally to Bruce Springsteen. Many 200 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: people know this area of the Jersey Shore. They were 201 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: both living in very expensive homes, the older brother living 202 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: in a seven hundred thousand dollars home, the younger brother 203 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: living in an almost a two million dollar home. So 204 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: clearly they were very successful. But was there some sort 205 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: of jealous rage going on? I mean the rage that 206 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: you could stab the mother, Jennifer forty five, and the 207 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: two little kids. They were stabbed to death, Nancy, and 208 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: then the fire was set. After the fact, the husband 209 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: of this family, the brother, the younger brother, was found 210 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 1: shot to death outside, shot in the back of the head. 211 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: And I want to add that an addition to the 212 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: four counts of murder. If that's not enough, there's possession 213 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: of a firearm he's charged with, and also possession of 214 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: a weapon for unlawful purpose. What do we know about 215 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: the fires? Nancy? Here's the bottom line. Paul Canaro, who's 216 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: now charged with the four counts of murder and the 217 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: weapons charge. Originally the Mammoth County Prosecutor's office charged him 218 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: with the single charge of aggravated arson. This for setting 219 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: his own home, Ocean Township, ten miles away from Coult's Neck, 220 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: on fire. There were two small fires at his home, 221 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: one in the backyard behind the house and one that 222 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: was kind of connected to the garage. You know how 223 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: there's a garage door, like an actual manual door, not 224 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: where the cars are coming through, but where a person 225 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: could come through. There was a second fire there, and 226 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: so that charge was for the fire at his own 227 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: home at five am. It's the second fire in Coult's 228 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: Neck that comes down the pike seven hours later in 229 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: the noon hour. Listen to this Keith's Canaro's cause and 230 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: manner of death was ruled to be multiple gunshot wounds 231 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: by homicide. Jennifer Jesse and Sophia's cause and manner of 232 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: death remain open pending toxicology reports. But as I mentioned 233 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: last week when we spoke about this case, it is 234 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: the state's position and allegations that they were the victims 235 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: of homicidal violence, as indicated by the charges that were 236 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: filed today. The cause of the two fires at the 237 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: Ocean Township home and the Coultsneck home has been determined 238 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: to be arson by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. 239 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: I want to move to the tech company CEO, his wife, 240 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: and their two young children found dead at the scene 241 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: of an intentional fire in an very upscale neighborhood, the 242 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: bodies of Keith Canaro, his wife Jennifer, their son and 243 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: daughter all discovered dead, and their two million dollar Colt's 244 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: Neck home up in flames. Now to Joe Scott Morgan, 245 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: Professor forensics at Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath 246 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: My Feet, his book on Amazon. Now, when you walk 247 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: into and I've had an arson very similar to this, 248 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: And let me tell you something, Joe Scott, as you 249 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: well know, arsons, in my mind, are one of the 250 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: most difficult cases to prove, because first you've got to 251 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: prove it was a crime, that it's not accidental. You 252 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: got to figure out how the fire started when all 253 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: your evidence is burned up. That's sometimes hard to do. 254 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: So I started developing a thing, let me just say 255 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: for arsons, because they're very very technical cases. When you 256 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: first come up to a home that is burned to 257 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: the ground and people are dead, you think, ah, accion 258 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: on fire, death by smoke inhalation. But only when you 259 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: determine the cause of the fire, be it electrical, be 260 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: it accelerant such as gasoline or alcohol of some sort. 261 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: I've had one arson in a million dollar home started 262 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: with a shoe cleaner with acetone in it. Find that 263 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: I believe in fingernail polish. Long story short, you gotta 264 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: get the bodies if they're not charred beyond recognition, and 265 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: then do the autopsy. When you find the man, the 266 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: dad out front, and then you examine the body, find 267 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: out he didn't die from smoke inhalation, he died from 268 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: a gunshot wound. You take it on, Joe Scott. Yeah, 269 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: that's that's a bizarre set of circumstances, Nancy. And there's 270 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: there's two ways that we look at this. You're absolutely 271 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: right when you're talking about how complicated complex these cases are. 272 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: If no one's ever been in our audience, has never 273 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: been into a home that's been burned down, it looks 274 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: like just a jumble mass of black and gray debris everywhere. 275 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: And I remember, as a young investigator looking at this 276 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: and thinking, how in the world is all of this 277 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: sorted out? But there is a method to the madness 278 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: when we do the examinations on bodies that have been 279 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: subjected to fire. First off, my first thought is not 280 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: that this is an accident. I work down I assume 281 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: that everything is a homicide, and when I take a 282 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: look at a body, I'm going to look at it toxicologically, 283 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: and I'm going to look at the injuries. And in 284 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: this particular case, what we do is we draw blood 285 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: and we look for something that's called carboxyhemoglobin. And what 286 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: that simply means is were they alive. Were they alive 287 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: at the time that the fire was going in on, 288 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: because if they were, that means that the carbon monoxide 289 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: level in their blood is going to be particularly high. 290 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: And also we're going to look into their airway to 291 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: see if they've actually physically inhalated any kind of debris 292 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: like burning paper, burning wood, anything that will give us 293 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: a physical indication. Tell me this. They find the body 294 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: of Keith Canaro, the dad, out front, from a gunshine wound, 295 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: and suddenly they think, oh, okay, he killed himself. Then 296 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: he burns the house down. So that's the first line 297 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: of thinking. Guys, for those of you just joining us, 298 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: A CEO and his two small children, the young son 299 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: and daughter found dead in a horrific place. And I'm 300 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: looking at the little boy and the little girl right now, Jackie, 301 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: the little boy has on the same exact outfit my 302 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: son wears. The little under arm or shirt he thinks 303 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: he's so cool. And the little black socks with the 304 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: red stripe up the back, that's the thing at their school. 305 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: And the little girl's hair is all tossl, tausel. That's 306 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: just got out of bed. I'm looking at their photos 307 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: right now. I'm looking at a picture of Keith Canaro 308 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: and why Jennifer Miling doing a selfie together. I don't 309 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: understand what happened, but I do know this. When they 310 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: first come up, Kathleen Murphy joining me, North Carolina family Lawyer, 311 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: you come upon a scene, Kathleen, the husband's out front 312 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: with a gunshot wound, the wife and the two little 313 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: children dead, and the two million dollar mansion. They think 314 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: it's murder suicide, because that's typically the way that playbook goes. Kathleen, 315 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: why domestic violence is rampant? Custody actions are rampant men 316 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: killing their wives and their children in the Chris Watt's 317 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: case is in the news, and it is a problem. 318 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: And that's what's going on in my mind at the 319 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: first impression of that story. Right now, I'm looking in 320 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: videos showing smoke pouring from the roof of this gorgeous mansion. 321 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: The mansion on fire, and it looks like somebody has 322 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: covered Canaro's body lying out front in the yard with 323 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: a sheet. At this point, I doubt they know that 324 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: inside it is the beautiful young mom and two little children. 325 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: But all is not as it seems. I'm sad to 326 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: report that we've had an incident here that remains under investigation. 327 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: Around twelve thirty eight, the County Dispatch received the call 328 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: for a structure fire on Willow Grove Road in cult Neck. 329 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: Here in town. There was a response, a large fire 330 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: and police response, and that continues as I stand here today. Unfortunately, 331 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: we have confirmed that there are four fatalities that we're 332 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: found to be at the home. It's two adults and 333 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: two children. We are still investigating the cause and manner, 334 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: and unfortunately the fire, because it is still ongoing, it's 335 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: creating some challenges for investigation. But a number of ladders, 336 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: more than t fire departments continue to work to suppress 337 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: and extinguish that fire, and we're going to continue our 338 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: investigation once that's scene is released. I don't have any 339 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: information I can provide on identity of these individuals. Now 340 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: know who the four people were. It was Key Knaro, 341 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: the CEO of a tech company, his beautiful young wife, Jennifer, 342 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: and their two little children, absolutely precious children. All four 343 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: killed ablaze in their two million dollar mansion. But not 344 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: all is as it seems as a matter of fact 345 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: to in criminal law, Kathleen Murphy, you know very well, 346 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: I always say there's no coincidence in criminal law. Nope, 347 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: there is no coincidence in where there's smoke, there's fire. 348 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: I was just waiting for somebody to say that. I 349 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: thought it would be Jackie, but it was you. Okay, 350 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: Robert Willlenski, there are two different mansions. Explain the significance 351 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: of two mansions at issue in the same twenty four 352 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: hour period. Okay, I'm gonna make it crystal clear. There 353 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: are two fires in two separate towns ten miles apart. 354 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: The first fire, Nancy, happens at five o'clock in the 355 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: morning at Paul Canaro's house. That mouse is six hundred 356 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: and seventy thousand dollars. There's a fire nine one. One 357 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: is called his wife and two daughters, and he gets 358 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: out safely in Ocean Township, about ten miles away. Seven 359 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: hours later, there is a fire at the two million 360 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: dollar mansion in Cultsneck is a really well to do town. 361 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen the singer has a home there. John Stewart 362 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: the comedian has a home there, and many other famous names. 363 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: A lot of people live there anonymously on these big 364 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: ten acre horse farms. It's one of the wealthiest, most 365 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: beautiful town in New Jersey. I'm from New Jersey. Coultsneck 366 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 1: is big time money and Nancy, that's where the second 367 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,719 Speaker 1: fire is. Seven hours later, you're telling me that there 368 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: was an early early early morning fire with Paul Knaro 369 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 1: in his seven hundred thousand dollars mansion. And then what 370 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: happened and then the Mammoths County nine one one system. 371 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: These people both live in Mammoths County. They get a 372 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: call for a fire at a second home, same last name, Ding, 373 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: Ding Ding, and that's when alarm bells literally go off. 374 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: Nancy that there's fire at the older brother's house who's 375 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: fifty one, and fire at the second brother's house, who's 376 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: fifty okay now. Joe Scott Morgan, author of Blood Beneath 377 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon and professor forensics at Jacksonville State University. 378 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, I mean, just at first blush You've got 379 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: two brothers ten miles apart, both living in mansions, both 380 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: with their wives and children at home, when fires break 381 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 1: out in the early morning hours. At first glance, you 382 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: would assume you would deduct either or there's a vendetta 383 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: against the Canaro family and both the brothers have been 384 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: their homes have been set on fire, or one set 385 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: the others home on fire. I mean, there's there's gotten 386 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: to be a connection. They're ten miles apart, they have 387 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: to win a couple of hours of each other, same 388 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: emo arson. They've got to be connected, Joe Scott, There's 389 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind about that. Yeah, Yeah, you're right, Nancy. 390 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: And you know I'm not going to be looking to 391 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: the heavens to see if Brimstone's rank raining down and 392 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: just arbitrarily strikes these two homes. There is connected. My 393 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: first My first idea is that I want to see 394 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: the connectivity between both of these events. The methodology that's used, 395 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: and that is what's the origin of this fire? Where 396 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: where do they start? Uh in a particular location. Was 397 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:25,479 Speaker 1: one started interiorly or someone started exteriorly or both. Also, 398 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: another thing that's key here is that most fires don't 399 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: just spontaneously start. You're going to have to have an 400 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: electrical source. You can have a chemical source. You can 401 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: have a source like gasoline you had mentioned earlier, some 402 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: kind of flammable liquid. And one of the things that 403 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: we look for in this in this this uh mass 404 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: of burned debris are hot spots. These areas where accelerant 405 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: is used. Generally there'll be more destruction in that particular 406 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: area as a point of origin. That's one of the 407 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: things we look for. What could have caused this. Well, 408 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: let me tell you something, Joe Scott, You're absolutely right. 409 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 1: When you're analyzing an arson scene, you find the most damage. 410 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: Typically that's where the fire started. It's where the most 411 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: damage is if you have an accelerant. I recall one 412 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: arson scene that was chalked up too electrical. It wasn't electrical. 413 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: It was started with an accelerant. The kitchen was most 414 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: badly damaged. That's where the fire started and you could 415 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: hardly make it out. But on the floor it looked 416 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: like somebody had poured coke, pepsi something like that and 417 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: it had dried. That's what the burned floor looked like. 418 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: That's where the accelerant was poor. That's just what it 419 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: looked like to me. Okay. Then we bring in a 420 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: fire dog, who you know, dogs only see in shades 421 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: of like gray and black. The dog immediately hit on 422 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: what it looked like to me was dried coke. What 423 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: that was is where the floor had been scorched really 424 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: in the outline where they poured the accelerant. It was 425 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: not gasoline, but I'll just say gasoline for purposes of 426 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: this discussion. Like where the gasoline had been poured, you 427 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,479 Speaker 1: could actually see the scorched outline on the floor. Okay. 428 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: And at first we thought the wife, the mom had 429 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: died of smoke inhalation until get to the hospital and 430 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: she had a cylindrical blow to the very top of 431 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: her head. So that's how that particular arson worked out. 432 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. The origin of the Coultsaneck 433 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: fire was in the basement and the origin of the 434 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: Ocean Township fire was two exterior locations at each end 435 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: of the house in Ocean Township. Now, there's been extensive 436 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: speculation about the timeline or order of an events as 437 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: it pertained to the fires in these two towns. We 438 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: alleged that the Coultsneck incident happened in the early morning 439 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: hours of last Tuesday, November twentieth. We also alleged that 440 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: the defendant returned to his house in Ocean Township with 441 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: certain items of evidence that he retained from the Coltsaneck 442 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: crime scene, and I can't find provide any further description 443 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: as to that type of evidence because of the ethical 444 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: and legal rules that constrain us from there. 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After two house fires and four murders, police 476 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: in quiet colts Neck, New Jersey, has been Thanksgiving Eve 477 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: looking to solve a gruesome mystery. It started when flames 478 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: shot through this sprawling mansion around twelve thirty yesterday, afternoons 479 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: of roots pretty construction, fire discussion inside forty five year 480 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: old Jennifer Canaro and what police believe were her two 481 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: young children, their bodies left to burn, and outside another 482 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: grim find their father, fifty year old Keith Knaro, shot 483 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: to death on the lawn. You are hearing from our 484 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: friend Tony Jacopol of CBS News reporting four people dead, 485 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: all four of homicidal violence. Now that's a big clue 486 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: right there, to Justice Scott Morgan, Professor forensics. When you 487 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: have an arson, you know the dad has been shot. 488 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: You don't know about the other three. They knew already 489 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: it was homicide, not just an arson. The two children 490 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: were actually stabbed dead, Joe Scott and the wife as well. Yeah, 491 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: and that the police, if there's anything good in this investigation, 492 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: the police do have evidence of homicidal violence before going 493 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: into the home. I think many times we walk in 494 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: and we don't have a direction to go in. But 495 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: if we've got a dead guy laying on the lawn, 496 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: then anybody else that we find in that home is 497 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: going to be suspect. A relative to the injuries that 498 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: they have and it's it is just an absolute mess, Nancy. 499 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: When you have bodies that have been burned, and you know, 500 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: most of the time when bodies are burned in connection 501 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,239 Speaker 1: with a homicide, it's to destroy evidence. And sometimes if 502 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: we talked about tolerance this sort of thing, they create 503 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: more evidence. Because I don't know about this particular case. 504 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: I've had cases where perpetrators have literally gone in they've 505 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: killed people, and they have taken accelerant poured it over 506 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: the bodies, thinking that, oh, yeah, this is just going 507 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: to absolutely destroy the body. It doesn't. It takes an 508 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: incredible amount of heat to destroy a human body. And 509 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: he didn't succeed. Yeah, it would have gotten out of 510 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: all of that evidence. Stab wounds would have been practically 511 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: impossible to prove a shooting more likely because you may 512 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: have found a bullet. A neighbor says her husband saw 513 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: the smoke, saw the smoke from the Colts Neck home 514 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: and ran to help. She said. The husband claims the 515 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: door was open, and the husband starts screaming, is anybody here? 516 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: Is anybody here? And then he calls nine one one. 517 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: Then he saw what was the left of a body. 518 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: We're learning so much more right now, we're learning that 519 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: the two little children, Yes eleven Sophia eight, also murdered 520 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: in their two million dollar home at Willowbrook Roads. If 521 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: you have a house that's almost two million dollars, that 522 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: it's packed tightly with video and security, and there's so 523 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: much of that going on. I know for a fact 524 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: that at the first house that there was security there. 525 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: I think of what these two brothers did for a living. 526 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: They worked for a company called Square One, which was 527 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: a tech consulting firm, so they had all this high 528 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: tech stuff, Especially at the seven hundred thousand dollar house. 529 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: They said that he had infrared on different floors and 530 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: security cameras. I think the MoMA's County prosecutor, I think 531 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: that if there are videos and surveillance, they are keeping 532 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: it very tight. So I just picked up on something 533 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: you said. Robin Willinski joining me, investigative reporter with Crime 534 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: Online dot Com, where you can find this and all 535 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: other breaking crime injustice news. Kathleen Murphy with me, North 536 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: Carolina family lawyer and forensics expert, Joseph Scott Morgan also 537 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: with me, Jackie Howard here in the studio, and Alan 538 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: joining me from La Robin, you mentioned that both of 539 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: the brothers weren't for the same tech company. Tell me 540 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, Well, the brother who's dead teeth, the 541 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: fifty year old, he's highly educated. He went to Columbia 542 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: University undergrad. Annie had a master's degree from there, and 543 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: he was the big earner brother, the younger brother by 544 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: only a year. There were three brothers. There's the fifty 545 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: one year old, the fifty year old, and then there's 546 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: a younger brother who they say is not involved in this, 547 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: but they founded. The guy with the master's degree from Columbia, 548 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: he founded this company. It was based in Asbury Park, 549 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: also in Mammoth County, called Square one, a tech consulting firm, 550 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: and he was the CEO and founder, and brother Paul, 551 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: who's still alive, was the vice president. So even though 552 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: he was older, he had the second tier, you know, 553 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: title at the company. So was there jealousy there? Who knows? 554 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: Also they ran a pest control company. And if you 555 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: go online to Square one, Nancy, and you look it 556 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: up at Asbury Park in big red letters. This morning, 557 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: I looked it up, it says permanently closed. Mumm both 558 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: brothers working at Square one tech company, clearly making a 559 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: very lucrative living, one and a two million dollar home, 560 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: one and a seven hundred thousand dollar home. How did 561 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: they both go up in flames within hours of each other? 562 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: One entire family, the family of Keith Canaro, the older brother, 563 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: all killed. Listen. The additional charges have been filed against 564 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: Paul Canaro, and he's been served with those charges while 565 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: he's detained at the Monmoth County Correctional Institute Here in Freehold. 566 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: We have charged defendant Canaro with four counts of murder, 567 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: one count of aggravated arson, one count of possession of 568 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: a firearm for an unlawful purpose, and one count of 569 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: possession of a knife for an unlawful purpose. These charges 570 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: that were filed this morning are in addition to the 571 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: charge that was filed last week out of Ocean Township 572 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: for the alleged aggravated arson of the defendant's own home. 573 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: And by filing these charges, the state alleges that the 574 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: defendant murdered his brother, Keith Canaro, and Keith's entire family, 575 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: his two children, Sophia and Jesse, and his wife Jennifer, 576 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: during the early morning hours of Tuesday, November twentieth. Specifically, 577 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: we alleged that the defendant repeatedly shot and killed his 578 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: brother while he was outside of the side of his home, 579 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,720 Speaker 1: and then moved to murder the rest of the family 580 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: inside the home. We alleged that Jennifer was shot and 581 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: stabbed and the two Canaro children were repeatedly stabbed by knife. 582 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: We also alleged that after murdering the Canaro family, the 583 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: defendant then set fire to the house at fifteen Willowbrook 584 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: and Coltsneck in an effort to conceal and disguise his 585 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: earlier committing crimes. Keith Canaro he said that he started 586 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: loving computers and tech when he worked as a janitor 587 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: at a computer store for free as a teenager, while 588 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 1: also working at fast food restaurants. Wow, So he worked 589 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: as a janitor for free at a tech company because 590 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,439 Speaker 1: he loved computers. He was willing to sweep in, mop 591 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: floors and clean bathrooms just to be around the tech business. 592 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 1: Working as a janitor for free, making money working at 593 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,280 Speaker 1: a restaurant. Boy, I've done that, and being a working 594 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,879 Speaker 1: at a restaurant is not easy. So long story short, 595 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: we're getting a picture. A picture of these two brothers. 596 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: The older brother, Columbia educated Keith was the best man 597 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: at Paul's wedding back in nineteen ninety one. I found 598 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 1: that in a wedding announcement in the Staten Island Advance 599 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 1: they were very very close. This is what we're finding out, 600 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: another bizarre twist. I hope you're sitting down. The Monmouth 601 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: County Prosecutor says that he's now facing four counts of murder, 602 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: a count of aggravated arson, and one count of an 603 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: illegal firearm for an illegal purpose. He's accused of shooting 604 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: his brother outside of his home in Colt's Neck, shooting 605 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,240 Speaker 1: his brother's wife and stabbing her as well, and also 606 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: repeatedly stabbing their two young children. Now he was supposed 607 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: to appear at court Wednesday, but his lawyer asked that 608 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: the hearing beheld Friday instead. After he was giving undisclosed 609 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: evidence by prosecutors, Keith Canaro was found dead from a 610 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,800 Speaker 1: gunshot wound in the yard of his home in Colt's 611 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 1: Neck while it burned. His wife and two children all 612 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: found dead inside. Again, the Mammouth County Prosecutor confirming that 613 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 1: Paul Canaro's now charged with four counts of murder along 614 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: with possession of a firearm and a possession of a 615 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: firearm for unlawful purposes. Everyone in mourning. But while the community, relatives, family, friends, 616 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: neighbors mourning the death of the Keith Canaro family, Keith, wife, Jennifer, 617 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:49,240 Speaker 1: two little children, ages eleven and eight, a homicide investigation 618 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: is ongoing. Right now. We know the brother of the 619 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 1: millionaire found shot dead in his burning mansion, his wife 620 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: and his children stabbed dead. The brother has been charged 621 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: in a bizarre twist. Oh, my son, you know what 622 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: two old adages come to mind, Robert Wilensky. Oh, would 623 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: have tangled webb we weave when first we practice two 624 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: deceive and familiarity breeds contempt. These two brothers. Now that 625 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: the brother, Paul Knaro, charged with burning up his own home. 626 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: He was stumbled out of his home earlier that day. 627 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: This is about one hour before his brother's house caught 628 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,439 Speaker 1: on fire, saying it must have been a gas leak. 629 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: He was seen leaving. You know what is so tangled up, 630 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 1: Robert Wilensky, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. To untangle 631 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: it well, The Mamas County Prosecutor has connected the dots 632 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: with his many investigators on this case. In Cultsneck, New Jersey, 633 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: and Paul Knaro is charged. The older brother is now 634 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: charged with four counts of murder Nancy. This is for 635 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: allegedly killing his younger brother, Keith fifty there year a 636 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: part of his wife, Jennifer forty five years old, and 637 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: the two little kids, little Jesse who was eleven and 638 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,800 Speaker 1: Sophia just eight years old in the third grade. All dead, 639 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,919 Speaker 1: stop hold on, Joe s got Morgan my dad, who 640 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 1: I missed horribly, horribly recently. It was the mark that 641 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: he passed away. I remember my dad, who worked on 642 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,760 Speaker 1: the railroad forty three years and my mom, who worked, 643 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: as you know, in a payroll at a canning company, 644 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: got me a car. It was almost time for me 645 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: to go to college and they got me a blue, 646 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: metallic blue Toyota Corolla. And I could not believe it. 647 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: And I remember he didn't cry, but he showed it 648 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: to me and his eyes watered up. How long did 649 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: he work to buy me a car? Joe Scott, I mean, 650 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: when I think about it now, that's a big deal 651 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: for people that never missed, were that are there in 652 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,919 Speaker 1: the morning at seven and don't get home till seven 653 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,760 Speaker 1: at night. That's a big deal, right you remember getting 654 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: your first car? Yeah? Yeah, Actually, I dude, Nancy, all 655 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: those many years ago, when dinosaurs still run the earth, 656 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,720 Speaker 1: it was it was a big deal to me because 657 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: it represented freedom to me, and I knew that, I 658 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: knew the work that had gone in behind it. I 659 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: was made to appreciate it because I had to restore 660 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 1: my first car that I ever had. It was bought 661 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: as a piece of junk. And oh I wish I 662 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: only could have done that Joscot, because I didn't even 663 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 1: know about oil until my motor practically burned up on 664 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: the interstate. But that's a whole nother ken Arms Robert Willinski. 665 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: Let me get off my mom and dad giving me 666 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 1: my blue Toyota and back on. You said, he's a 667 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: big fish in a little pond. Back to untangling this mess. Yeah, Nancy, 668 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: so Paul, according to the neighbors with the two daughters 669 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: driving the Porsches, and he's you know, it's just throwing 670 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,399 Speaker 1: money around like it's candy. And he's a big, big 671 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: fish in a little pond in Oceans Township, again a 672 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 1: very nice area to live, upper middle class people. But 673 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: this is not the brother Keith his younger brother, who's 674 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 1: a You have to look at the family tree very closely. 675 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: They're a year apart. But the second oldest is the CEO. 676 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: He's the founder of the company. He's the one who 677 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 1: went to Columbia undergrad. He's the one who has a 678 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: master's degree from Columbia. So the second brother living in 679 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: the two million dollar house. Oh and by the way, 680 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 1: according to court records, two years ago, they paid off 681 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: their one point eight million dollar loan to the bank. 682 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 1: So this second brother is darn can you imagine. I 683 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: know what my mortgage is. It's certainly not one point 684 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: eight million, and we haven't paid at off. Now, hold on, 685 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: let me get this straight. Let me get this straight. 686 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: This goes back to Kane and Abel for Pete's sake. 687 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 1: In Genesis, you've got the older brother is Paul Canaro, 688 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,720 Speaker 1: who's now charged with the death of the Keith Canaro family. 689 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: That's the older brother, the big fish in the little pond, 690 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 1: the one that neighbors say was quote enamored with the money. Okay, 691 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: but then you've got the younger brother who founded Square one, 692 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,760 Speaker 1: who's living in the two million dollar home ten miles away, 693 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: who went to Columbia who started the business. So the 694 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: older brother, we could assume sits buying Steve's while his 695 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: younger brother supersedes him. I am I getting it right. 696 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 1: That is exactly correct, Nancy. So you need to look 697 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: at that family dynamic. The police officers need to interview 698 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 1: other relatives, people who know the communities. Koltsneck is at 699 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: a whole different level. When you are living in Coultsneck, 700 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,759 Speaker 1: like Bruce Springsteen lives in Coltsneck in a multimillion dollar home, 701 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: you have made it. You know that. That is you 702 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,920 Speaker 1: know the epitome. You're living in Buckhead or Brookhaven, Georgia, 703 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: where all the wealthy people live. That is the right 704 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: side of town. Not to say where Ocean Township where 705 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: Paul is living seven hundred thousand dollars house, very nice, 706 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: but there he could really be y and a show 707 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: off compared to the homes of his neighbors. That's the 708 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: dynamic that needs to be investigated by the prosecutor's office 709 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: in mom of the County. Let me understand this, Am 710 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 1: I expected to believe? Is any defense attorney gonna tell me? 711 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: I guess they are? Kathleen Murphy, you're the lawyer here, 712 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: I'm just an old trial lawyer trying to make sense 713 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: of it all. Somebody going to try and tell me 714 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: that these two house fires of two brothers, where the 715 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: first one is the older brother, okay, and then the 716 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: brother's home being burned down and he's shot and all 717 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: three family members stabbed it, including the children, are not connected. Well, 718 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: there's another detail there too, and that is that the 719 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 1: older brother who had his home set on fire early 720 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,800 Speaker 1: in the morning, was missing for a period of time 721 00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 1: between twelve noon and after his other brother's house was 722 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: on fire. He was gone. He was gone from his 723 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 1: home that had been in cart incinerated. So where was 724 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 1: he during the period of time between when his house 725 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 1: caught on fire and when his brother's house caught on fire? Well, 726 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: can you tell me, Robin Linski about gas cans? Right, So, 727 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,360 Speaker 1: when the fire fighters show up at the first house 728 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 1: at five o'clock in the morning, they find gas cans 729 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 1: behind this guy's house, behind Paul's house. The timeline is such. 730 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 1: The first fire is five am. The second fire, I 731 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 1: believe was called in at twelve noon. There's a seven 732 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 1: hour timeline in between these two fires. Neighbors put Paul 733 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 1: still in the neighborhood up until around ten or eleven 734 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,360 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, because he's out there consoling the 735 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 1: wife and the daughters and everybody's shaken up. They've gotten 736 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: out of the house. They're giving statements, this, that, and 737 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: the other. They're sitting in the car because it's called out. 738 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: So the question is where does where is he for 739 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: those last hour to two hours before the other house 740 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: fire starts. We don't know. Again, I believe that surveillance 741 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,840 Speaker 1: cameras are going to tell the tale of this. We 742 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: wait as justice unfolds. Take a listen to Mammoth County 743 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:18,760 Speaker 1: Prosecutor Christopher Grahamacione. Now, understandably many have questioned and wondered 744 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 1: about a motive to these alleged crimes. Based on our 745 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: investigation to date, we believe that the defendant's motive was 746 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: financial in nature, stemming from his and the victims joint 747 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: business ventures that they owned and operated out of Asbury Park. 748 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 1: As a result, we have also launched a financial investigation 749 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,319 Speaker 1: into the business and financial dealings of the defendant. Now, 750 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: with these types of investigations, they take time, so I 751 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,840 Speaker 1: won't be able to provide any further information as to 752 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: motive at this point in time, but I would encourage 753 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 1: you to continue to follow this case as it proceeds 754 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,239 Speaker 1: through the criminal justice system. As court appearances occur, there 755 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,719 Speaker 1: will likely be informations that's presented on the record by 756 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,839 Speaker 1: the state in this case. Bringing together a case like 757 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: this takes a true team effort, and I'm honored to 758 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 1: be joined by some of the agency heads, detectives and 759 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: proces cuts, all of whom played a vital role in 760 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 1: bringing this case to a head with these charges today. 761 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,759 Speaker 1: The investigation necessarily required the support of a number of 762 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: law enforcement partners who stand with me here today, and 763 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: I would like to personally commend them and give them 764 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:18,239 Speaker 1: our thanks. Right now, relatives preparing for a funeral. Four caskets, 765 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: including two tiny ones, will be rolled out of the 766 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: Holmdale Funeral Home as the brother sits in jail. Nancy 767 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story signing off goodbye friend.