WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:04.920 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:06.560 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:16.280 Cowboys Let's go. Are you ready for a break? 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:16.799 Yes? 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:21.959 Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? Ready for a break? Yeah, 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:23.840 and so much for that. 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:28.280 It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:32.800 We were on right with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought us, 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.040 Votch Lombardi and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.239 It is Wednesday, June eleven, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one, 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:45.000 episode number fourteen. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break. 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:47.559 We are a lot in s WBC Mortgage Studios at 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:51.320 the Star. We are recovering from a late dinner last night, 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:53.080 or at least three of us are I. Amber didn't go, 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:53.680 I did. 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:55.760 I got you didn't get that invite? 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:58.240 I sent it to shut It was. 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:00.800 Great money looking for No we don't violence. 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:08.120 Run here, fantastic dinner, man, y'all about it? Describe it well. 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:09.959 First thing is, first I had to get counsel, right, 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.080 I had to call my mother. I said, mother, we're 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:15.039 having this company dinner thing to celebrate the draft show 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:16.840 and the you know how we did and all that. 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:18.840 She said, son, don't go in there and order everything. 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.840 I was like, mom, Jerry Jones writ in The Chick 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:24.520 she said while going in order everything and everything. 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:26.400 I was like, all right, cool, and Brian Bronce confirmed 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:26.720 it again. 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:28.760 So we we ordered a little bit of everything, but 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:31.760 very much, thanks very much man, thank you, mister Jones. 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.840 That I love that. For y'all, that's great, that's amazing. 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:35.479 I'll be hating. 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:37.000 No, I'm being genuine. 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:39.520 Almost dinner do we need for some much dinner? 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:41.040 And Laura at some point. 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:43.240 Okay for you and Laura will do almost dinner and 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:43.920 we'll go to no. 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:48.880 But glad to glad that you had the chance to 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:53.559 experience the paid for Jerry paid by Jerry mill. 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.720 I feel that that's that. That was that was thank 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:58.720 you so much er. 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:00.680 Yeah, so I'm glad. 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:03.600 I didn't get to tell the story about the time 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:07.520 at the combine where the like I never drank wine before, 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:10.000 you know, I'm not a big wine drinker, and like 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:12.799 the gentleman past the table and he said, would like 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.399 some wine? I said no, no, thank you. Chris Hall 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.480 from College Skanglan ever goes she might want to get 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.560 a glass at this one. I said, really, what's up? 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:21.639 He goes, that's a six thousand dollars bottle of line 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.160 going on the table, and there were two of them 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.519 going around at the same time. I said, well, it's 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.040 great working for this football team right now. But yeah, 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.120 got my six thousand dollars glass of wine. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:31.679 Some of the perks, some of the perks, some of 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:33.120 the perks. All right, we got a lot of things 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:34.720 we're going to get into today. We're going to spend 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:36.920 a lot of our time today talking doing a twenty 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.240 twenty five off season rap. I got some interesting questions. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:44.360 Hopefully they're interesting questions for you guys to basically paint 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.400 the picture of what the offseason has been before we 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.359 get there, though, I didn't want to have a take 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.880 some time to talk about a couple observations from OTAs 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.720 that have happened here this week. Yesterday, half practice, if 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.720 practice today, they'll have a walk through tomorrow, and then 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:00.679 the players and coaches will have time to kind of 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:02.400 get away and breathe a little bit before we had 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.880 the training camp uh in late July. So let's get 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:07.919 into some of those observations. I think the biggest thing 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:11.280 coming out of yesterday, and obviously you follow Dallas Cowboys 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:13.079 dot Com, you follow one on five out three of 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.000 the fan you follow all the different places where you 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.760 can get Cowboys content. Everybody's talking about this chemistry between 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.960 Dak and Pickens. I'm gonna throw out these three different 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:23.560 observations I have, and what I want you guys to 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.760 do is tell me does it mean nothing or does 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:26.600 it mean something? 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:27.400 Uh? 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.440 The chemistry that was being talked about with regards to 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.839 Dak and Pickens, and we saw some of those big 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.200 plays that they were they were able to make. H 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:36.720 means something or means nothing. 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:38.600 Chemistry is fine. 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.960 Chemistry kind of newity is cool, but better dudes is awesome, 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.360 you know. And and and we've seen Dak go to 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.080 camp and he'll make some wide receiver that we haven't 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.920 heard of, you know, a camp name. You know these 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:54.400 these guys, these undrafted guys. Hey, TJ. Vasher caught a 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:57.080 great pass, a well placed pass from Dak. But it's 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.200 just something about like a real superstar wide receiver then 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.880 another real superstar wide receiver. I think you're going to 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:04.840 see a lot more of that. So I'm I'm buying 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.400 into it. And it doesn't have to be chemistry. We've 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:12.080 we've watched Pickens catch terrible passes from terrible quarterbacks career. 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.400 So all Dak has to do is throw good passes 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:16.960 to George Pickens. Well, that's a lot of chemistry right there, 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.640 Brian brought us, So I'm definitely buying incidentficchempisry. 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:21.520 Yeah, I tell you what I mean. I thought it 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:23.040 was going to take a little bit, you know, and 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.240 we were a little bit concerned going in how much 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.160 availability that Dak would practice, and then all of a 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:30.720 sudden you kind of got the green light from initial 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.520 you know, practices that we were able to attend as 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.440 the media. So that was a positive. I was thinking, oh, 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:40.239 maybe some side stuff dockyard, you know, trying to catch 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.080 things up, you know, by the time we get to 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.080 it to auctionary, but it already looks like that these 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.479 two have found a way to kind of connect on 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:49.920 some things. And that's the great thing about George Pickens. 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.240 And we've talked about this a bunch. When you're a 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.800 guy that can contort and be a bad ball catcher, 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.000 put the ball wherever, you know, he's going to make 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.279 a lot of plays. And I think that's the best 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.640 thing in the world for quarterback, not just Dak Prescott, 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.640 mean anybody. You have a guy that is a bad 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.160 ball catcher even when the balls are good, man, that's 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:08.840 a big plus. I think where you're going to take 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:12.240 even advantage of George Pickens even more is Dak's accuracy 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.839 hitting him on the move and letting him go, because 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:16.760 there's a lot of times in George Pickens's career where 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.120 we haven't been able to see him take advantage of 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.000 really what kind of ball carry is once he gets 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:21.960 the ball in his hands. 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:26.440 Well, based on history and time of things that we've 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:30.680 watched during training camp and practices not really carry over 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:35.960 to game day plays and fans saying well that doesn't 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:36.800 mean anything, n. 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.080 DA, Well, what else do you want us to talk about? 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:40.760 That is what is currently happening. 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.839 There's nothing else to talk about on the team than 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:48.039 what you get to observe during these practices and better 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.600 be positive, So be happy and get excited. Whether it's 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:53.680 going to translate on the field and the game day 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.520 or not, that is yet to be seen. We gotta wait. 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.720 But at the moment, this is exciting. This is something new, 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.160 and it's definitely something to keep looking forward to as 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:04.440 we continue to move along. 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:08.480 Yeah, Brian, you mentioned the accuracy of Dak and some 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.800 of these quicker routes. I saw yesterday. One of the 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:12.280 plays that really stood out to me. It was kind 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.039 of a whip route for those wh't know what that is, 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.080 kind of a break in and then you kind of 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.919 whip back out to the outside, and it showed Pickens' 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.480 ability to be able to create separation number one, because 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.240 he got like two yards on the defender and then 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.040 catches the ball and he's up the field and headed 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:29.719 toward the end zone. And that was the kind of 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.039 thing where I'm like, I think the beauty of having 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:35.480 these two receivers in this offense is going to give 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.640 you that ability that if a team is going to 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.240 say we're going to play man coverage or even in 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.080 a zone situation where these guys are going to have 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.720 the ability to be able to create separation and get 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:46.920 the ball in their hands. Now it can turn into 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.600 a really big playoff of something that's really a simple route. 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.680 And that's what I think the Cowboys have missed for 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:54.240 a little bit here. Since the time then they had 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.080 a Mario Cooper, they haven't had two guys that were 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:57.520 able to do that consistently. 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.120 The challenge is now with this, with these with the 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.839 coordinator and the head coach and the offensive staff, really 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.960 is to find ways to take advantage of that, don't 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.720 you know Ambar's talking about. There's some positivity that you've seen, absolutely, 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:11.120 and that's great. We saw a little bit of the 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.560 quick game last week. Looked like yesteraid a little bit 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.360 more of the ball going to the outside. You know, 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.160 watch and I always talk about this though, you know, 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.720 trying to extend the offense. You know, we don't the hooks, 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.120 the curls and things like that. Try and to extend 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.560 this offense. And you could do that. Put these guys 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.400 on the move. We've seen CD on the move. We've 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:30.200 seen George Pickens on the move. These guys make plays. 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.880 So yeah, the thing about is that that ability. The 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.520 challenge now is for Brian Schottenheimer and the staff is 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.960 to make sure that they have a lot of things 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.240 available to Dak and a lot of the ways that 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.520 he can get the ball to these guys. Don't just 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.520 limit this thing. These guys are too good of players 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:50.840 just to kind of limit them. Make sure that you're 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.960 able to keep that playbook wide open, but take advantage 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:55.680 of some of the things that are really really good at. 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.840 Let's move to observations number two. Tight in REVN span 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.240 Ford got some looks with the starters that mean something. 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:03.680 I mean nothing that's odd, isn't it? 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.920 Uh? And then I asked if I asked if Ferguson 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.480 was injured, and I got no, he's just fine. I 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.200 think they're trying to make span Ford more comfortable with 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:15.640 the offense, and I think if span Ford can get 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.040 his he needs to be. He's a big guy. He's 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:22.000 not very nimble when it comes to past receiving. You 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.920 look at his hands, hand placement. You know, if he 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.080 could kind of control that and be able to be 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.360 a little bit more secure in the way that he 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:31.880 places his hands, he's going to have a lot of 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:33.960 times where guys are on his back. There's not a 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.560 lot of separations, so he's got to find a way 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.280 to be more comfortable. The routes were very limited with 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.720 him last year. More of a blocker, but he has 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.520 the kind of ability though, if he could just work 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.800 on being more secure and confident in his hands, they 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:50.400 might actually find something here. 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.160 That is fair brown. But then I thought about something 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.000 what if we're really going to get run game stuff 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.600 like we we we've been hearing coaches preaching to us, right, Hey, man, 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:01.160 we're going to run the football this year. We gonna 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:03.120 run the football this year. Hell, we'll go out and 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:05.360 throw it fifty times a game. That's cool. But Brevin 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.240 span Ford is your running BLOCKI guy Schoolmaker is your 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.439 running blocky guy. So if Ferguson is healthy, I don't 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:12.800 think Ferguson just rode out the. 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:14.600 Bed bad at ball one day. 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:16.880 Right, Maybe in my mind this is some kind of 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.439 all right, we're gonna do mostly runs in this drill, right, 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.920 just mostly run fits and things of that nature. And 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.920 if you're a head coach OC and you want to 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.600 use personnel properly, I would imagine that if you're gonna 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:29.920 run the ball most of the time, Brevin span Ford, 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.920 who's like two seventy, and Jake's a cool running blocker, 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.360 but Brevin span Ford is two seventy. So I don't 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:37.880 I don't think this is gonna be a thing. This 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.200 is still early camp. If we get the training camp 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.559 and Brevin's out there day one with the ones, that 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:43.880 we can come back and talk about it on the 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:45.320 break and try to get some views for it. But 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.360 I think this is more you know, Brevin leaning on people. 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.760 This is you know, working with Terrence Steele leaning on people, 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.960 and those guards and all those guys don't I don't 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:55.320 think Jake's going anywhere. 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.600 I believe exactly the same thing. I think it's too 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.480 early to take anything else a true indicator of what's 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:05.319 gonna actually happen. I think once we do get into 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:09.320 training camp, that's when you're more careful about who's getting 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.240 the most reps with what team, first team, second team, 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.680 and all of that, because then you're really truly starting 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:19.080 to prepare for the season. At this moment, I think 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.040 it's a good thing to give other guys opportunities and 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.080 let them try things, and let's take a quick look 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.520 before we get into training camp, so that they have 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:32.000 a better idea into what kind of concept. Who are 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.480 we really trying to focus on once we get there 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:36.280 in California. 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.040 One thing that greatly bothered me last year is we 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:42.000 went into this season knowing, Okay, you're gonna need Tyler Guidon, 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.040 you're gonna need Cooper Bebe and just one day and practice. 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.080 Me and Brian just talking about it they're with the 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:50.240 third team, but they don't over there? What over there? 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:53.040 And the reasoning was also they can get more reps. 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.560 How about more reps versus the first team guys, because 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.480 when we get to the games, that's who they're going 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.000 to be seeing. So maybe Brevin has a new role 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:01.960 this year where hey, Brevin, we need you and you're 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.960 probably gonna be blocking first team edge guys. So let's 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.240 not put you against the third team edge guys. Let's 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.160 put you against some real dudes so that you can 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:11.520 get acclimated so that you can know what blocking with 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:14.000 Terrence is like as opposed to blocking with how came 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:16.240 a dyenergy or something like that. So maybe there's just 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:17.560 more for Brevin there. 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.480 Yeah, I'll even throw this in, I think as an 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.160 addition to that point, I think they if you really 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:26.400 want to be able to use Brevan sport Breen span 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:30.439 Ford more on, because you're going to be having more rundowns, 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:32.600 you probably want to improve his pass catching a little 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.160 bit more comfortable with that because if you're more comfortable 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:36.600 with that, then you don't have to tip your hand 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:38.640 and take him off the field planning to throw. You 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:40.160 can keep him on the field, and he can be 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.440 a kind of a dual threat and someone that can 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.120 really work in I don't think this is about Ferguson. 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:45.120 I think this is about development. 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.000 Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, I think everybody's made 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.640 really good points about this. The thing that bothers me 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.760 about span Ford is though he just he doesn't look 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.360 comfortable catching the ball. You know, it looks like he 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.160 fights it a little bit. And the more that you 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:00.839 can get him in comfortable and running round and then 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.000 Dak and the other quarterbacks having the ability to get 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:04.840 him the ball, and then he could he could show 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:06.920 k hand placement. Okay, if I'm if I got a 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.000 guy on my back, Okay, I gotta protect and I 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.760 got to extend, you know, you know, And I think 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.200 that's really that's the one thing. If you want span 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.760 fourd to jump this year, make him a better pass catcher, 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.240 that would be a big, big, big thing for him. 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.040 But I will say, you know, this may not be 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.040 about Jake, but what does it say about Luke. You know, 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.040 Luke is a second round pick, and you have expectations 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:31.160 for round less than Brevin, probably a little more than Jake. 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.080 Though, Yeah, I feel you I feel you on that. 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.400 I'm just saying though, I think Brevin is is such 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.600 a physical specimen and that's also why I think if 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:41.320 you can get him comfortable and you can as a 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.920 as an offensive play call, if you can be comfortable 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.400 with him catching the ball, he becomes a really legitimate 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.640 option just because of his size. One that is a 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.680 that is a big, big target on top of the 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.199 fact that he is a big man and a hard 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.480 man to take down. So I think if you can 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:59.280 get him more involved in the passing game, it only 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:00.000 helps your offense. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.200 Well, let the apologies for Schoonmaker speak now, if you 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:07.160 don't mind. I think I'm looking right at the camera Roucher, 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.840 you know, and I'm saying it with mas so yeah, 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.119 to me, this is you know, I think with Scoonmaker, 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.079 I think they know what they have in Schoonmaker. I 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.120 think Scoomaker Schoonmaker showed he can actually catch the football. 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:18.679 You know. 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.720 There were times when when Jake Ferguson was out and 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.320 we're like, oh, geez, here we go. You know, yeah, 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:25.960 the same stuff needs to be a little bit better, 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:27.680 But there were some routes where he was able to 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:29.719 make some catches you and make some you know, and 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.080 receptions and they're like, Okay, well maybe this guy's not 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.160 a bust. I know, everybody was kind of tagging him 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.560 that type of a guy, but he he showed some 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.199 things playing. I kind of feel like that this the 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:44.920 the plan going in was how can we push span 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.440 Ford to get in the level of maybe the other two. 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.319 That's why I think this one's really really all about. 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.480 All right, let's get to our final observation here. Michael 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.480 Parsons was here. He is here in the building, but 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.040 he is not practicing. Means something or means nothing. 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:02.280 He's around. He's a superstar. 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.880 You know, if you a superstar and you have seniority, 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.320 you can do some things that the other guys can't do. 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.040 That's ball has been that way for years, even when 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:11.760 I was around. You know, if I'm a freshman, I 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.000 can't do things that the superstar singis can. 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:14.280 You know. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.040 So at least he's around, you know what I mean. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.680 At least he's talking to coaches, he's talking to his teammates. 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.000 He may not be practicing because of money and all that, 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:25.560 but being around is better than not being around or 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:26.920 in cobo with something so good. 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:34.520 I mean, yeah, absolutely, definitely good that he's around and 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.640 some of the comments that were made yesterday despite him 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.280 not practicing, it was said that he was talking to 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:45.160 younger guys and giving them advice and being that voice 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:48.880 of a leadership that Jerry Jones has mentioned before that 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.040 they're looking for in a guy like him to voice 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.880 his knowledge and his opinion and help these younger players. 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.160 So that's something positive. At the same time, I still 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:03.240 want to see out there. We've seen it happen with 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.920 Ceedee Lamb when they were working that contract and it 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:07.560 took him a while, and then we saw it in 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:09.440 games and he took a few games. I'm not saying 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.800 we're there yet, but still that's something to keep an eye. 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.240 You want your player and not that he cannot be ready. 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:20.360 But in that case, let's say for some reason now 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.280 he's holding out. Even though he said that he's not 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.680 gonna hold out, he's gonna show up a training camp 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:29.360 and he's expected to show up and practice. We still 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.360 don't know because we're not there yet. If that doesn't 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:36.160 go that way and he is holding out, what is that? 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.880 What does that look like when games? 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.320 You know, we head into the season, We've seen it 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.440 before where it takes a few games to get your 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:47.560 body back into that shape, that pro level shape. So 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.400 I don't know, it's just I'm kind of getting over it, 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:51.240 this whole situation. 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:53.240 The age's onto something here. I'm gonna say it's a 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:55.120 bad thing for sure. I'm saying it's a bad thing 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.360 because to me, I feel like this is a two 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.920 way street. You know, you know, you need to find 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.840 way to get David Mulagetta to the table, and the 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.440 Joneses need to find a way to get to David Mullagetta. 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.440 This is a two way street here, you know, if 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.920 there needs to be a sense of urgency here, you know, 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.479 with with you know, and and you know, my understanding 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.840 is that the Cowboys have made some calls, you know, 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:20.160 and you know Mullageta. You know, has there been discussion 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.280 here of a lake. No, there hasn't. Where there's some 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.720 early indications of some calls. Absolutely there were some. So 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.760 something needs to be done. This doesn't need to get 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.400 to training camp like we were with Zeke and Zach 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.480 Martin and CD Lamb. You know, this thing needs to 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.160 be done, and it really is both sides, it really is. 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.320 I think that's what Jerry Jones was maybe conveying to 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.960 him yesterday when they had the opportunity to stand out 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.400 there on the field and talk. He's like, listen, you know, 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.080 I think the Cowboys do want to negotiate. I think they. 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.400 I think David Mulagedta I think that you know, he 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.160 understands where he is at. But these two sides do 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.360 need to come together. They do need to talk. They 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:56.760 need to get this done before training camp. This does 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.200 not need to be in something. If I, and this 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.560 is just me, the form personnel guy, if I had 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.199 an understanding that I was gonna maybe look at a 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.680 potential holdout, I'm going to sign von Miller right now 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:11.040 is what I'm gonna go do. I'm gonna go out 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.120 there and I'm going to and I'm going to make 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.359 this something. I'm going to protect myself and I'm going 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:18.239 to say, listen, I've got to find a way if 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:22.080 if this turns into prolonged holdout. And I'm just saying if, 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.800 but if it turns into that, I've got to make 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:28.439 up for sixteen sacks. So not just all about von Miller, 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.480 but about piecing it together where you have guys get 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:34.280 sixteen sacks and make up for that. But you got 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.280 to protect yourself here. If you're the Dallas Cowboys, I 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.000 think they're probably thinking about, you know, something like that. 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.040