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Speaker 2: Wow Episode four twenty six with Kimberly Perry from the

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Speaker 2: band Perry. So, you know, I wanted to start this

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Speaker 2: But also it's an interesting dynamic because the band is

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Speaker 2: her family. Yeah, And like I wanted to know what

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Speaker 2: with So I was like, how much we're talking about

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Speaker 2: I was trying to think about, like why I like

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Speaker 2: because she's just saying how she feels. A lot of

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Speaker 2: we talk about in this her trainer that the beginning? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so okay. So she just released a new EP called

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Speaker 2: super Bloom on October twenty seventh, which is an extension

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Speaker 2: Will you play a clip of the song? And we

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Speaker 2: do talk about the band Perry, and she says couple

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Speaker 2: When I was just like, I don't think everybody feels

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Speaker 2: Perry for example, if I Die Young, here's this one here,

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Speaker 2: so check it out? All right, there you go. Kimberly

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Speaker 2: her at the Kimberly Perry on Instagram and TikTok and

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Speaker 2: enjoy lit Kimberly Perry. It's always weird to do a

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Speaker 2: formal introduction. We've been talking for fifteen minutes. Hello, Kimbery Perry.

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Speaker 2: You just were at the studio of my house, and

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Speaker 2: I think what's funny is as you've arrived, you saw

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Speaker 2: What a way to get caught? No, come me to

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Speaker 2: And I asked that question because, for example, we'll sit

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Speaker 1: And then the same thing for Reid, Like Reid has

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Speaker 1: a brain that works like a scientist. He is a

441
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Speaker 1: food scientist. So I'm like, when can I come to

442
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Speaker 1: your Michelin three star restaurant?

443
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Speaker 3: I can't wait? And he, I would say, brought a

444
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:49,880
Speaker 3: lot of the taste and.

445
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,719
Speaker 1: The aesthetic to the band meeting, both like the sounds

446
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,040
Speaker 1: of the records, but also a lot of the visual.

447
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,280
Speaker 3: He was kind of like our bar when it came

448
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Speaker 3: to that.

449
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Speaker 1: So they're so gifted in a lot of similar ways

450
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,359
Speaker 1: to me, but also vastly different. So as their sister,

451
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Speaker 1: I'm just curious to see, like how all of that

452
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Speaker 1: will play out.

453
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Speaker 2: For all of us when you turn twelve, thirteen, fourteen

454
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Speaker 2: years old? Are you the musical kid in seventh eighth grade?

455
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Speaker 3: Are you the the clarinet player?

456
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Speaker 2: So they know you? Your classmates know you love music? Yes?

457
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Speaker 2: And do you have class Were you homeschool or did you.

458
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Speaker 3: Guys know I was. I was in Poe's school.

459
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Speaker 2: Okay, so your classmates you're the music person, But what

460
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 2: did you think was like at the ceiling for music.

461
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 2: Because I'm from a small town in Arkansas. There was

462
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Speaker 2: no doing this where I come from. It wasn't that

463
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Speaker 2: I dreamed of. Because I saw it, I thought I

464
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Speaker 2: could do it. Yeah. So but what was the ceiling

465
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Speaker 2: in Jackson, Mississippi to you musically or was it just

466
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Speaker 2: not music? It was just like you're doing for a fun.

467
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Speaker 3: At the time.

468
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Speaker 1: No, I think the ceiling was very, very tall because

469
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Speaker 1: I was like obsessed with going to shows, even at

470
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Speaker 1: nine years old. The first gift that I was ever

471
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Speaker 1: given with music was tickets to the New Kids on

472
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Speaker 1: the Black Show, and it was at this stadium, and

473
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Speaker 1: I was the kid that thought, you know, they were

474
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Speaker 1: going to pick out one girl in the audience to

475
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Speaker 1: come on stage so Jordan Knight could like sing to

476
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Speaker 1: her with his shirt blowing, you know, with the fan,

477
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Speaker 1: and I was just I knew it was going to

478
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Speaker 1: be me. It never dawned on me that it wouldn't

479
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Speaker 1: be on the stage, and so he didn't choose me.

480
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Speaker 1: So I left early, like even before Hanging Tough, I

481
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Speaker 1: was out of there. And so I think I always

482
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Speaker 1: had this sense of like my parents exposed me to

483
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Speaker 1: big stages as a fan really early on, and I

484
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Speaker 1: think while maybe not like in sixth grade when I

485
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Speaker 1: started playing clarinet in band, I don't know at that

486
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Speaker 1: point that the dream was as big as that new

487
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 1: kid's on the block stage. But I also never probably

488
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Speaker 1: questioned whether or not I could be on a big stage,

489
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Speaker 1: if that makes sense.

490
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Speaker 2: How did you have confidence? Where did that come from?

491
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Speaker 2: Because you feel like a confident kid at least in

492
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Speaker 2: that capacity, like who gave you?

493
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Speaker 3: I just didn't know better?

494
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Speaker 1: Probably, like I mean, I went, I was bullied considerably

495
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Speaker 1: in eighth grade four I don't know it was other

496
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: girls at the school, and my parents actually had to

497
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Speaker 1: take me out halfway in the middle of my eighth

498
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Speaker 1: grade year because these girls, like they just proper tried

499
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Speaker 1: to jump me after class one day, and I think

500
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 1: some guy had said that I had said something really

501
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 1: bad about this girl that I didn't say, and I

502
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: just like was very confused by the whole thing. So

503
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Speaker 1: I would say pre eighth grade I didn't struggle with

504
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Speaker 1: confidence at all. I think after my eighth grade year

505
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Speaker 1: that was my first taste of like somebody doesn't like me,

506
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Speaker 1: you know, or this whole place is kind of against me.

507
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Speaker 3: In this way.

508
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Speaker 1: I had never felt that before, And looking back now,

509
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Speaker 1: I remember when they took me out for the second

510
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Speaker 1: half of the year, like I couldn't stay awake during

511
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Speaker 1: the day, and now I was like, oh, I was

512
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Speaker 1: like depressed. You know, I didn't know that then, but

513
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: I kind of had to regain confidence at certain pivotal

514
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Speaker 1: moments in my life. And that was the first one

515
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Speaker 1: in my adult life. It would have been post divorce,

516
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Speaker 1: and so what sometimes had come naturally to me confidence hope,

517
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: I had to regain those pieces at certain moments in life.

518
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry that happened to you in eighth grade. That's TRUEY,

519
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 2: that sucks. Yeah, I'm gonna sorry that happen to you.

520
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 2: So here you are, You're I just with me. These

521
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 2: cycles of the same things have happened over and over

522
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Speaker 2: in my life to where you say, you know, these

523
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Speaker 2: these girls in eighth grade affected you, and it affected

524
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 2: you later in different ways. It I mean it has

525
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: for me too, write like did it get hard again

526
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 2: when you guys achieved a certain amount of success and

527
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 2: you could actually start to see the feedback that wasn't good?

528
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Speaker 2: Did it feel the same at the like almost like that,

529
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: like at its core, like because sometimes people will talk

530
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 2: bad about me, don't feel like I'm being beat up

531
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Speaker 2: again in fifth grade. Yeah, just first, it just feels

532
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: like the same. Did it feel like that at all?

533
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like, especially when social media really became

534
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: a thing. I would always tell my brothers Neil was

535
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: just like thick skin could read anything about us, positive

536
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 1: or negative and be fine any negative comment if there

537
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 1: were two hundred positives and one bad. I just really

538
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: struggled with it, and I think it was I think

539
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: it was triggering back to that earliest feeling of almost doom.

540
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: Like it felt like a very like doom mom, like

541
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 1: everything's going to fall apart, everything's going to end based

542
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 1: on this one comment.

543
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Speaker 3: I think I have a lot.

544
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: More of a thick skin now, but only because I've

545
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Speaker 1: arrived back to a place of confidence in the last

546
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: couple of years, to be honest.

547
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, I would feel those ways about it.

548
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Speaker 1: I was like, you just can't tell me about it,

549
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 1: because if I know it exists, it will not get

550
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Speaker 1: out of my head for the days.

551
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. I would have a spiral at times.

552
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's hard and it again, I don't

553
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: know if you fall this way, it didn't matter how

554
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: many positives were there, and they were overwhelming, and.

555
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 2: You would find the onegative, the one.

556
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: And I just I couldn't and I had one. I

557
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: put out this song embarrassingly god hotlia, I'm wearing the

558
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: merch today. But I put it out last week and

559
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: there was so many wonderful comments on my Instagram, and

560
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: there was this one woman who just like it clearly

561
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: was not about my version of Holly, you know, like

562
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: the hatred, and I was just like, you know what,

563
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't even feel this bless her. I was like,

564
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: what's going on in her life? She's having a bad day.

565
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, this feels nice to be

566
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: at this, like very arrived moment. I don't want to

567
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: welcome nobody tests me in this, like, don't fill up

568
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: the comments, you know, with a million things, just all

569
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: pay attention to it.

570
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 3: But it felt nice to go like this just doesn't hurt.

571
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 3: I don't feel this. This is not about me.

572
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 2: And probably because you have through an education, which is

573
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 2: hard to do. If it's hard to get an education,

574
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 2: and perspective is only gained because you've had to go

575
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: through crap to get it. Yeah, it is that you

576
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: can at times filter out what matters and what doesn't,

577
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: and sometimes the stuff that doesn't still gets me. Right,

578
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 2: But for the most part, same yeah, right, Like I've

579
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: focused enough on stuff that doesn't matter that now I

580
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: can kind of see it coming and I can sometimes

581
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: stop the spiral. Right, I still get there at times,

582
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 2: or if I'm just in a weird place or a

583
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 2: bad place and it hits me just right, You're right,

584
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: I wish we value we. I won't insert you in me.

585
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 2: I wish I valued because I do value them, but

586
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 2: I wish I valued at the same level the positive things.

587
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to let that in sometimes, and

588
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't know why that is either.

589
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 3: It's almost like.

590
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 1: I never yet, I never let that impact me in

591
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: the same way as negativity, and I don't love that

592
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: about myself.

593
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 3: I want to let it.

594
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 2: We just treated it the same. Well, yeah, we're not

595
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 2: even you and I both aren't saying here. We wish

596
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: that we valued the positive comments more one to one.

597
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 2: If you just valued it the same total, we would

598
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: still come out of winner. Because I feel like, for

599
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 2: the most part, people like me, right, some people don't.

600
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: But I also don't like everybody, so I shouldn't expect

601
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: everybody to like me, right exactly. Now, this is adult

602
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: perspective that's kind of creeping in on the unhealthy thoughts

603
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: that I've always had. But if we just valued it

604
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 2: the same, like says some nice masa's some negative. Okay,

605
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: well those two are the same. Let's just remove those

606
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: all together. We're even I would just be in the positives.

607
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 2: But I still still struggle with that sometimes too, especially

608
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: when it's something that's not true. And for me, getting

609
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 2: married has been a great help because my wife is

610
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: not in this industry in any way whatsoever. Does not

611
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: like it. She doesn't hate it, but she's not drawn

612
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: to it at all. Actually, she's been drawn less to

613
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: it being in it because she's like, oh, I don't

614
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: like being public. People are mean to her for no reason,

615
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: so it makes her go. It's not for me because

616
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 2: I haven't done anything to expose myself to get the

617
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: sort of criticism. Like she'll say, I'm not you. I'm

618
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 2: not trying to create a career where you do have

619
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: this happen to you. People will have opinions. I just

620
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: exist in People come to me, and so it's made

621
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: her not enjoy it more than she already wasn't enjoying it. Sure,

622
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: but it's also been great for me because I can

623
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: be with someone who is sitting in this this tornado

624
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: of entertainment. If it's TV radio.

625
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 3: Means whatever it is to be really grounding year I

626
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 3: know it is for me.

627
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: That's what I was going to lead to. So now

628
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: when you go home is you are very involved, for

629
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: you have been for a long time in Nashville and

630
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: music as big as it gets. Can you go home

631
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: and since you have someone that's not fully in it,

632
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: not be in it for a bit?

633
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: Yes.

634
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: And when I met Johnny, we met down in Dallas

635
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: during COVID because it did not exist in Texas. And

636
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: so the first day that we all hung out, it

637
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: was with a group of people and we all wound

638
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: up at this thrift shop and it just so happened

639
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: that there was a TVP shirt at the thrift shop,

640
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: which I was super offended by. I was like, who's getting.

641
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 3: Rid of this gold?

642
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: That's hilarious, it's really good.

643
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: And so he got the shirt and he had no

644
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 3: context for anything that I had ever done in music,

645
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: like if I Die young, it's not a song that

646
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 3: was on his radar. His taste in music live very.

647
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: Very esoteric like, and it was nice to kind of

648
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: just have I don't know, the first person to accept

649
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: me just like one hundred percent for me, and to

650
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: know that there was so much purity in that and

651
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: like he thought I was hilarious just based on my

652
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: sense of humor.

653
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 4: You know.

654
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I'm gonna live at your jokes so

655
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: I can try to like score another day.

656
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: You know.

657
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 3: It just felt wholly accepted.

658
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: And so he still just he understands our world more

659
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 1: now just because he's gotten a up close, you know,

660
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: view of it.

661
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 3: But he doesn't care. He just doesn't care.

662
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: And that helps me also not care about certain things

663
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: that I would typically obsess over and spin out over.

664
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: And it's just been nice to be like, hey, I'm

665
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: building from the ground up again, you know, grateful for

666
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: the TVP foundation. I would say, there aren't a million

667
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: favors that are coming towards my artistry because of that,

668
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,479
Speaker 1: which I'm totally down for. So we're in some respects

669
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: our family is grinding all over again. But it's been

670
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 1: nice to have his stability to sort of separate from

671
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 1: the way the grind felt the f time it was

672
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: full on twenty four to seven four years, you know,

673
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: it's consumed.

674
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: Consumed, So the parallel is hilarious. So my wife I

675
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: would same, right. She usually she had went back to

676
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: get her graduate degree. She was living in California. She

677
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: didn't listen to the show. She didn't any think about

678
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: and her friend, we had a mutual friend that's from Oklahoma,

679
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: where she's from. It's like, hey, you two should be

680
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: you know whatever. It was also an organic meat. Everything

681
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: about it was what it shouldn't have been, which was

682
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: organic because now just a lot of stuff's not organic

683
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: now or maybe that is organic now. But to how

684
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: you know, I grew up, how we grew up, And

685
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: so I would balance unhealthily balanced myself because I'd be like,

686
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: how does she not know I've done this stuff? She

687
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: should like be like in awe that I But then

688
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: I was so happy she it was like I would

689
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: never let myself be fully happy because I was. I

690
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: loved it. She couldn't give a crap about it. But

691
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: then I was kind of like but like no, a

692
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: little bit, like gass me up a little bit because

693
00:30:58,880 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 2: of like my achievements.

694
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: Totally.

695
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: I feel that. And so it's been a high wire

696
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: that I've my ego has had to walk a little

697
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: bit because there are time and she'll tell me, she'll go, hey,

698
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: would you please let me know when something's a big

699
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: deal right right? Because I won't sometimes and I'll get

700
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: my feelings hurt when she doesn't acknowledge it, and she's like,

701
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: I don't live in this space. And she's very mature,

702
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: way more mature than I am emotionally. Yeah, she's like,

703
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: I need you to let me know when something's a

704
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: big deal because I don't. I don't know. And so

705
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: that's what that's our communication in this world of entertainment.

706
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: Love that Like if I get a show, a TV

707
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: show and it's like I don't really care, not that

708
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: I don't care, but it's not the big deal. I'll

709
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: be like, not the big deal. But sometimes they like

710
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: you need to throw me at dinner right like this

711
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: is like this is made. But that is a mature

712
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: part of our relationship. Now, how did that go with you? Guys? Again,

713
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: she's learned a lot about it, but she didn't at first.

714
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: Was there like an elementary class you had to teach

715
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: him on things that are entertainment.

716
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: For me, where it comes up or came up earlier.

717
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: You know, our relationship would be like if he was

718
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: always surprised if I was recognized somewhere, He's like, I'm sorry, wait,

719
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: how does that person know you?

720
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 3: And I was just like, you should just do a

721
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: deep dive.

722
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: You know, like I, I'm not really a person that

723
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: ever felt like a star or like a celebrity. Really,

724
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: we were so inside our bubble of just grinding that

725
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: I don't know that there were many times that we

726
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: just sort of sat and enjoyed that side of it.

727
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: Do you regret not enjoying that side of it? Or

728
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: do you think that actually allowed you to succeed more

729
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: because you didn't.

730
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: Yes, and no, I wish that I had felt the

731
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: fruit of the labor a little bit better, Like I

732
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: think that would have felt nice. I do think it

733
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: helped us grind, But I also think it made us

734
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: not compromise in certain moments that we should have to

735
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: keep our career trajectory a little more stable. Like I

736
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: feel like if I understand stood from the outside looking

737
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: in or looking at us, how much there were parts

738
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: of CVP that were so revered despite what was happening

739
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: like behind the Curtain, which was really complex at that

740
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: time professionally with the people we were working with, I

741
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: would have gone, let's protect this and figure out how

742
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: to navigate what's happening the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain.

743
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: Let's figure that out to really protect and guard what

744
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: we have here. So for that reason, I wish I

745
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: had understood it a little bit better.

746
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 4: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

747
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 4: Bobby Cast.

748
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: Want to jump way ahead, but I do want to

749
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: come back, and I'm going to plead ignorance to a

750
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: couple of things a second, But I do want to

751
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: talk about now because it was it Did you give

752
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: it a certain amount of time or was it just

753
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: a feeling where it's like, I'm going, I'm giving it

754
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: a run again and by myself, and I know what's

755
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: going to happen when I go back. Everybody's gonna want

756
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: to be like, oh, I love you, or why are

757
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,959
Speaker 2: you back? Or I didn't love you, you know, because

758
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: it's not like you're just a new artist. You're a

759
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: new artist. You're a new artist that people already have

760
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: some sort of relationship with. Right, So was it strategic

761
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 2: to come back after a certain amount of time or

762
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: was it just a feeling inside and you're like, let's

763
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 2: just go.

764
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: I think it was a feeling that I had more

765
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: to say, you know, it was really it's a difficult

766
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: path to feel like irrelevant and then you're irrelevant And

767
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: that's not even the ego side of it, Like, that's

768
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: the artistic side of it. For me, for my songs

769
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: to be heard and be being sung and irrelevant and

770
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: then to not have the art respected in that way

771
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: or even heard right even given the shot, that was

772
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: what really drove me to go, like, no, I'm not

773
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: trying to book a year of TVP shows at this

774
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: amount and just fade off into the sunset, like I

775
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: want to be part of the future, not just the past.

776
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: And I understood what that meant, but like start from

777
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: the bottom again, and there's a grind that comes with that.

778
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: But for me, it was about the relevance of the

779
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: songs and the art being modern and being future oriented

780
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: and not just past oriented.

781
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: Did you have a certain piece of creative content that

782
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: could be a song, that could be a poem or

783
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: whatever that made you go, oh god, I don't want

784
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: to just be that person that everybody knows me for

785
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 2: like I want to be my own. Was it based

786
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 2: on anything that was kind of a trigger point for

787
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: you or did you just always know when you were

788
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: just kind of at one point, I'm gonna get back in.

789
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time during COVID writing songs

790
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: by myself, with my acoustic guitar and by nature. I'm

791
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: a folk writer, like If I Die Young is a

792
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: folk song, right. Obviously a country has its American roots music,

793
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: there's folk, we got rock and roll.

794
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: There's a lot that goes into the body of country music.

795
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: And so I've always felt like my songwriting fit best

796
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: in this genre. But during COVID, I had not reconnected

797
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: with just myself as a songwriter without anybody else in

798
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: the room in a while.

799
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 2: Why did you do that, though? Why did you reconnect?

800
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: Like what led tod that, what triggered that to go?

801
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: I need to reconnect with myself.

802
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 3: Just the stillness of COVID, like the stillness of twenty twenty.

803
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: And we had come back home from the West Coast

804
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: because read Me and I lived out there for several

805
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: years and came back to our farm in East Tennessee,

806
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: and it was just like, I have nothing to do

807
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: every day but write songs during the day and drink margarite.

808
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 3: Isn't watch The Bachelor at night like that with my COVID.

809
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: And I was also in a really kind of lonely

810
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 1: place there, like I had not met my husband yet

811
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: and really wanted love and my own family.

812
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,479
Speaker 3: I wanted that to develop in my life.

813
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: And so that body of work and those songs that

814
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: I wrote, I would never release now because it doesn't

815
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: feel like where my spirit is I'm in a much

816
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: happier and healthier place. But then that's some bolt of

817
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: writing in that way, and the transparency of the lyrics

818
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: that I was like, whoa, I've arrived at this new

819
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: place of just song craft for me myself and I

820
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: that inspired me to like, let's get back home, let's

821
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: get back to Nashville, let's get back to country music,

822
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: and let's see if I can bring what I love

823
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: about this vulnerable writing forward with me and maybe that's

824
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: the future of my voice.

825
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: Did you have to build the confidence back up?

826
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 3: I had to build confidence back up on the heels

827
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: of a divorce.

828
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: I went through a divorce personally, personally, Yeah, hope, was

829
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: always super easy for me to find.

830
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 3: I didn't like lose it that much.

831
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: But coming back and getting back on my feet after

832
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: that and everything that that just does to your self confidence.

833
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 3: It doesn't to anybody who's walked through it. You know

834
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 3: that took a minute to rebuild.

835
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: What do you mean, I've been through a divorce. Hopefully

836
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: I didn't get back to I was forty, So yeah,

837
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 2: I waited a long time, never thought I was gonna

838
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 2: get married. Yeah. I never really wanted to get married

839
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: until I met my wife. Yeah, and so I'm gonna again.

840
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: I'm asking these questions not because I want anyone to

841
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: be like, Oh, look at the I'm generally curious, and

842
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: I feel like you and I can talk openly and

843
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: for sure what happens? What do you you just do

844
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 2: you feel like you didn't?

845
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: I think the exposure feels right because you just, whether

846
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: it's to their friends or their family or the public

847
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: at large, like you're sharing every moment with this person

848
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: who knows you for better, for worse, and then all

849
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like the person you're the most

850
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: terrified of because they have all the AMMO of your life.

851
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: You know it wasn't even about like public exposure. It

852
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: was just like, Okay, now I'm sort of in opposition

853
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: to this. That felt very disorienting to me because in

854
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: my family when I grew up, you know, it felt

855
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: like a really safe environment and even if like you know,

856
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: it all hit the fan or somebody was going through

857
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: a moment, like you protect that information, You protect that

858
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: person until they get on the other side of it,

859
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I was just that was

860
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: just a really like a dittle crazy thing to my minds.

861
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: You talking about that. I was with my therapist, was

862
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: in therapy a couple days ago. You go to therapy

863
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: at all, you have definitely, so I was. For me,

864
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: it's been an adjustment being to be someone safe. Yeah,

865
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: my whole life didn't have family, didn't have safety. My

866
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: wife is extremely safe. Yeah, but it's so foreign that

867
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel safe because it's it's so new. And

868
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: I was my therapist was like what he asked me,

869
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: He said, where do you feel safe? Just generally, where

870
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: have you ever felt safe in your life? Where do

871
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: you feel safe now? Period thought about it for a

872
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: long time, and I said, you know, I feel like

873
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: now I don't have to worry about paying bills anymore.

874
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: I feel safe there, and he was like, but what

875
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: about your wife? I said, you know that that's the

876
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: safest I know with my mind, that's the safest thing.

877
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: But when we get in a fight, I'm still like,

878
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 2: is she gonna leave? And his whole thing to me was,

879
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: you know, you've developed differently and slower and in some

880
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: ways much faster. But when you talk about safety, I

881
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: can see how that would be such a difference for you,

882
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: because both of us have had safety and it's been

883
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: unsafe at the same different places. So it's a shock

884
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: other happens, it's a.

885
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: Shock to your system. And for me too, it was

886
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: not only you know, just like the exposure of somebody

887
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: who knows you and can almost like just reject everything

888
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: that that was. I was like, but why what did

889
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: I do wrong?

890
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: Like?

891
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 3: What was I not enough?

892
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: It just really almost I think every other bit of

893
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: criticism had come from the outside towards me at that point,

894
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's like career criticism, whatever. But that was

895
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: the first time that the critique was like in my

896
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: heart and I just hadn't felt that way before. And

897
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe he had certain feelings of that

898
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: as well in the end, but that was just it

899
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: was a moment in time that I had to sort

900
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: of like start to do things on purpose. Let's figure

901
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: out what to put hope in and how to like

902
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: muster hope on purpose.

903
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 3: Let's do that with our confidence.

904
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 1: Let's do the work, Let's go to therapy, Let's work

905
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: ourselves from the inside out again and rebuild. And ultimately

906
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm grateful that it all happened because now I don't

907
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: do anything on accident, Like I'm not standing on my

908
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: own two feet because I've never been sort of blown

909
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: by a strong winds. You know, they were just like

910
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: planted here because I've done the work to know that

911
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: they're firm.

912
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 3: Now.

913
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: Is there an appreciation for safety now because you had

914
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: it before and then didn't have it, but now you

915
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: understand how valuable it is?

916
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely? And I found that in my marriage as well.

917
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: We were raised very much believing and that marriage is forever,

918
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: and that when we said I do and we elope

919
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: to Vegas at midnight after eight months, you know, it

920
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: was like this is us deep diving forever. And I

921
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: think we both approach our marriage like that every single day.

922
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: And you have to write because a lot of crazy

923
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: stuff has even happened the last couple of years that

924
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: we've already walked through as a couple. And it's the security,

925
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: though of walking through with somebody who's not just gonna

926
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: like leave or it's gonna feel.

927
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: Too much for He'll never get to that point. He

928
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 3: has really strong emotional shoulders, you know, really yeah, and

929
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 3: he helps me shoulder all the things and vice versa.

930
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: He's had a lot of the inception of his life,

931
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 3: had some really crazy experiences. And the first weekend we

932
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: hung out, we just shared all that with each other

933
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 3: and I was like, this is my person, this is

934
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 3: the safe spot.

935
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: He is one of the writers on Black Corvette. He is, Yeah,

936
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 2: how what when?

937
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: So we started Black Corvette actually had our honeymoon. We

938
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: honeymooned in Palm Springs for a month and we did

939
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 1: it a month.

940
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really really fun.

941
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: But we did it in like August of twenty twenty

942
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: one and heat wave, like I mean, I think the

943
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: heat index was like one hundred and fifteen. It was

944
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: so hot the ac went out at our airbnb. It

945
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: was just like amazing. We just stayed the poll all day,

946
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: drank Palomas all day. It was so much fun. But

947
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: we had some guitars out there, and I really wanted

948
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: to tell the story of kind of like the black

949
00:42:55,120 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: Corvette is our spirit animal, because when we decided to

950
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 1: a lobe, it was a very spur of the moment.

951
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: We were in LA and we wanted to drive to Vegas.

952
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: But I was like, we got to put some white

953
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: tests in here. If this is the right thing to do,

954
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: Like if somebody will let us rent a black Corvette

955
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: and drive it from LA to Vegas and we can

956
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: do it today, then this is meant to be today.

957
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: If not, we cannot go.

958
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 2: Get that That's what happened.

959
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so like the first guy that we called

960
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: my name dropped and he was a fan of the band.

961
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: He's like, I trust you to take my car, and

962
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: so they let us ticket on a road trip to

963
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: Vegas in back.

964
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: So you found a black Corvette we did first call.

965
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: We made and I was like okay, and then everything

966
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: like we didn't have an efficient and the Little White

967
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: Wedding Chapel was closed early. They closed like eight PM.

968
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: We weren't going to make it till ten. So I

969
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: was like, man, I don't know I guess we just

970
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 1: like start taking off from this corvette and the pieces

971
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: will fall in place. And so I just googled like

972
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: twenty four hour efficient and there was this woman who

973
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: went to Vanderbilt got her divinity degree. There worked Glenn

974
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: Campbell's Gennell on my mind when it was a radio single,

975
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: which is like the song that we got our Grammy

976
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: for for re recording, and she and her husband who

977
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: looked just like Chris Christopherson showed up and married us

978
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: at midnight where we were.

979
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 3: At the wind We just got a hotel room.

980
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 2: And the black thing blows my mind. That that you

981
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: guys like if we can find and you found a

982
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: black court.

983
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so every time we see one now it's like

984
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: pay attention. We're either on the wave or something is

985
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: coming to us, like we need to pay attention.

986
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: Do you guys own one? Not yet?

987
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 3: And now we have a baby.

988
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I guess we can use this for

989
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: date night with the whole two seats, but we don't yet.

990
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: You're only three months into having a baby, and so

991
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 2: again your life has shifted and you've had to modify

992
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: in ways that you don't even understand. You're going to

993
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: always have to do it. I'm told what do I

994
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: know about?

995
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 3: I'm told too, I don't know yet, but I believe them.

996
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: And what I like about having this conversation with you

997
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: is how you let it. You're like, oh, I was

998
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: never around babies me either, So do you guys it's

999
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: only three months. It's an almost unfair question. Are you

1000
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: guys trying to prioritize still trying to have an identity

1001
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: as a couple not just a couple of parents. Oh?

1002
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: Yes, we talked a lot about that even before we

1003
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: got pregnant, because it was like, and I think that's

1004
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: also an important thing for a kid to observe, you know,

1005
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: as we grow in our couple. I want our kids

1006
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: to always see us, says yes, mom and dad. But

1007
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: also like, hey, look at this marriage. I want that

1008
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: for myself, Like I want to set a great example

1009
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: for what he eventually will look for in his life.

1010
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: And I already even now like pray, like, you know, God,

1011
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 1: let his wife, whoever she may be today, just let

1012
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: her have a happy morning. You know. I believe in partnership,

1013
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: the security of it, like we've talked about, but also

1014
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: like I think great, great things are born from that,

1015
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: and I want our kids to have every bit of

1016
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: confidence in his home so that he can inject that

1017
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: confidence into his heart and let that flow from there.

1018
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, we definitely have like found the right folks

1019
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: to come in who are so sweet and love with

1020
00:45:59,080 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: as much as we do.

1021
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 3: For the five hours that mom and Dad made like a.

1022
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 2: Night, was it hard on the first time?

1023
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: It was, although the night nurse was the first and

1024
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: we were so sleep deprived. I was like, thank you,

1025
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: thank you, and he was crying. I was like, I'm

1026
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: so sorry to hand him to you like this, but

1027
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: thank you for being here. So it just felt like

1028
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: a blessing. I think we would get a little bit

1029
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: of sleep that night.

1030
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: Did you think you would cut Black Corvette when you wrote it?

1031
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: So the funny thing, I mean yes and no, Like

1032
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: I loved it, and then the Bloom Project and Super

1033
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: Bloom happened in two sessions, and so we cut Black

1034
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: Corvette in the first session but did not put it

1035
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: out until Super Bloom.

1036
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 3: So it's not that I didn't even love it.

1037
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: It didn't feel like it fit into the first five

1038
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: and I think it was just like the part of.

1039
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 3: The narrative was kind of like not there for me yet,

1040
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 3: but it felt like it had to be a part

1041
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 3: of this super Bloom moment.

1042
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: Like before we move on and before I tell any

1043
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: more of the story, whenever I'm going to say next,

1044
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: it had to We had to tell that part of

1045
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: our nror.

1046
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: We mentioned before you and I started we were recording,

1047
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: we were talking about Bloom the summer it came out.

1048
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,479
Speaker 2: Super Bloom came out into of October was a couple

1049
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, and it was five and now it's nine.

1050
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: It's like it's a deluxeype that it mean.

1051
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: It's basically all the kids are putting out the DELX right,

1052
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: it's as super deluxe.

1053
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: They can't get an more deluxe to this. But again,

1054
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: with your music and you returning, did you feel like, Okay,

1055
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: the songs they need to be good, but also the

1056
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 2: message of the story has Would you have just put

1057
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: out great songs that meant nothing.

1058
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: I don't think I can do it. I don't think

1059
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: I could even do that with TVP And that became

1060
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: some of the struggle, to be honest, like, I feel

1061
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: like in some respects our whole career hinged on.

1062
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 3: There's like BC and AD was that song Chainsaw.

1063
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: You know, like both with our relationships behind the scenes

1064
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: but also the public.

1065
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,479
Speaker 3: I was just like I could not wrap my head.

1066
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 3: I love the writers.

1067
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: I think it's a great song, I did not think

1068
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: it was our song, and I really really struggled with

1069
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 1: having to make that like the single that was growing

1070
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: our because it just didn't feel authentic to me.

1071
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 3: And I feel that.

1072
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: Way about my music, like I have to be able

1073
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 1: to emotionally connect with it or feel like it's something

1074
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: I would have said, like better dig too, not an

1075
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: authentic part of my story. At that time, I was

1076
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: being a storyteller, but it was a story that I

1077
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: loved to tell. So that's kind of how I feel

1078
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: about my own music. I needed Bloom and Super Bloom

1079
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: to be probably the most highly narrative of what I

1080
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: will put out in my career as a solo artist.

1081
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: I think I put so much pressure on that was

1082
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: like a bar for me. I have to have lived

1083
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: every word in these nine songs. I think that can

1084
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: loose them up in the future, Like if I want

1085
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: to do a breakup song and I'm not actually breaking

1086
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: out my husband, I'm down to do that because that's

1087
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: a story that I and a character that I love

1088
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: to tell.

1089
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 3: But this project had to be every word a truth.

1090
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: I thought that might be the case because again, you

1091
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: only have a first time to have a first time, Yeah,

1092
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: except you get it second first time, which is even

1093
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: more rare. Yeah, so you kind of to be very

1094
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 2: direct and deliberate about what your narrative is.

1095
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1096
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: Even looking at some of the writers that you wrote with,

1097
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 2: like we're friends with Sasha, Sloan and Henry, like there,

1098
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 2: I love them. There's awesome. Now, I've never done anything creative.

1099
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: We hang we hang out, or Henry and I will

1100
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: play golf or whatever. So I don't know them in

1101
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 2: that capacity. I just know as people. I can enjoy

1102
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 2: their work if I'm just consuming it. But when you're

1103
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: writing with Sasha and Jimmy's been here before, I know

1104
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: Jimmy Robins. You know you guys. What song did you

1105
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: guys do together? There's one burn that's the one you

1106
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: guys you three wrote together. Okay, to work? What is

1107
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 2: it like to work with her? Because she like you,

1108
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 2: You kind of know what you get pretty quick, and

1109
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 2: you also will decide do I like it? Right? You

1110
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: two are very similar in that way.

1111
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: What what's it like to write with Sa We've written

1112
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: several times now. The first write was burn the House Down,

1113
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: and I just loved her because like, what you see

1114
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: is what you get, and I'm not like a highly

1115
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: emotional I'm highly emotional. I don't think I'm like like,

1116
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: for instance, on Christmas morning, I could get everything that

1117
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: I wanted as a kid, and I wouldn't get like

1118
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: over the top excited about it, you know. I was

1119
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: just like, cool, this was really nice. I feel like

1120
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: Sasha is very much wired in the same way, like

1121
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: our temperaments are very compatible.

1122
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: In the writing room.

1123
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: The day that we wrote burn the House Down, I'd

1124
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: had some stuff going down that day, and so I

1125
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: just kind of started the session with like, here was

1126
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: my morning, you know, And then I think she was like,

1127
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: here was my morning. And Jimmy was like, how about

1128
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: we say it like this, you know, to Rish and

1129
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: the ashes, you got to burn the house down? And

1130
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: it was just this perfect blend of like feeling safe

1131
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: in a space to be vulnerable with what was actually happening,

1132
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: and also her sense of melody and the way that

1133
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: she has her little dark tinge and the way that

1134
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: she likes to write things I totally resonate with. It

1135
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: just really felt very meant to be and it was

1136
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: really quick. Right, we work well together.

1137
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: I'm such a fan of her work. I like her

1138
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 2: as a person, But I can definitely separate the two, yeah,

1139
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 2: because I don't ever work with her. I'm such a

1140
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 2: fan of her, her work and her writing and her

1141
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 2: amazing And it's just like, you know what you're getting.

1142
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 2: Even musically, you just know who you're getting. You listen

1143
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: to a song and a half, it don't matter if

1144
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 2: it's and most of them are not up tempo, but

1145
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,439
Speaker 2: you did you know who that is. But I feel

1146
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 2: the same way with you a bit with even with

1147
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 2: this project, and the first track on it is you

1148
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: Bulls Gold, which is basically tell me if I'm wrong here,

1149
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: referencing you guys trying something else that maybe you shouldn't have,

1150
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: Like when you guys are in the Vamp Perry, I.

1151
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: Wist initially trying something we shouldn't have. I'm always down

1152
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: for people to the.

1153
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 2: Word that's what that was the result got it okay, right.

1154
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm always down for the the expiration.

1155
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm a type of person like if I have a

1156
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: question I have to have an answer to it. I

1157
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: can't really take somebody else's word for it always. Maybe

1158
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: I wish I could, And I think it was incredibly

1159
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: important in some respects that we took the steps that

1160
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: we did, but I definitely thought the outcome would be different,

1161
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: and so for me it ended up like, oh, I

1162
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 1: was chasing this thing.

1163
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: Was because somebody told you it would be different? Did

1164
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 2: you find Fool's goal? To me is like you're chasing

1165
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: something because somebody says there's goldennmbdar hills and you get there.

1166
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: There are no hills or goal.

1167
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: I think it was more everybody saying, hey, you've been

1168
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: successful in this space, You're going to be successful in

1169
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: this space. There is a plan that has to be

1170
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: executed to go from this space to this space, and

1171
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't think that we had at that time the

1172
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: team to really help us make that real. But I

1173
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 1: also think that by nature, I'll speak for myself, I'm

1174
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: more built to be a country singer songwriter than a

1175
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: pop artist. That's what I resonate with, That's how I communicate.

1176
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: But I think there was this part of me it's like, well,

1177
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: we can do this, we can do this. We love

1178
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: everything so we can do everything, like I'm a fan

1179
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,439
Speaker 1: of if You Crossed Over accidentally with If I Die Young, Yes,

1180
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: And I think that getting that early taste is honestly

1181
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: all we wanted to do over and over again. For

1182
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, that path on other songs was

1183
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: cut short for us, and I just really wanted to

1184
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: get back to the full run, like let the song

1185
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: go to number one at country radio and then if

1186
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: the world wants to hear it, then let's go do

1187
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: that run.

1188
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 3: And then that's going to take us internationally.

1189
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: We love to tour over in Europe, you know, so

1190
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: that's for the career arc. I just wanted to keep

1191
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: seeing that up always starting in country music and rooted here.

1192
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I just felt like when the business,

1193
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 1: I hate it when the business gets in the way

1194
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: of like the creative, you know, But that definitely in

1195
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: that moment got in the way of what was happening creatively,

1196
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: and so I guess it was like sort of found

1197
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 1: ourselves in no man's plans and that was really really

1198
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: like a challenge. But ultimately I'm baked as a country artist.

1199
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: It's what I do, it's what I love, it's what

1200
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 1: I'm good at.

1201
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: I don't even think anybody questions I don't know how

1202
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: you feel, because you see what remarks from everybody all

1203
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 2: the time, right yeah, anybody that I know, even not

1204
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 2: super in the business. No one has ever come to

1205
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 2: me and said, Kimber's full of craps back in country

1206
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: because she had to be backing country. Nobody says that.

1207
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: I don't feel like you have to like prove yourself

1208
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 2: as a country art. Do you feel like the country?

1209
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: No. I think it's more like I have to answer

1210
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: why we ever stepped forward out of that in the

1211
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: first place, and our intention.

1212
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 3: That story has gotten so I don't even know this

1213
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 3: wor over the well. I think there were a lot of.

1214
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: Voices that were like they just left country in the dust,

1215
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: they didn't care, and that was not that was not true. Well,

1216
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: like the article I was saying earlier on the TikTok,

1217
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: it was like they just decided to do this thing

1218
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 1: and they just had telled it out here. It's like, well,

1219
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: first of all, it's not what happens. I know that

1220
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: that's the story that got told on our behalf in

1221
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: a season where like, for a million reasons, we just

1222
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: couldn't really tell the real story of what was happening,

1223
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 1: and that sad to me because that was never our intention.

1224
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: So I think I feel the needs sometimes to defend

1225
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: why we stepped forward in the first place, but also

1226
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: to own that at the same time. Is like defend

1227
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: it and own it, you know. Yeah, And that was

1228
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: what fools Gold was for me. Like, let me say this,

1229
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: it was not everything that I was hoping it would be,

1230
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: but it's also nice to come back and like feel

1231
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: rooted again. And I think people give me the benefit

1232
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: of the doubt, and my intentions are pure, and I

1233
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: have felt the warm welcome.

1234
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 2: I agree with country music. I think they do, even

1235
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 2: without you around, give you the benefit of the doubt.

1236
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that means a lot to me because that's

1237
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: not something that I just assume somebody should offer.

1238
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 2: I agree, and I don't think everybody does. I think

1239
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: most people do, and the people that don't probably because

1240
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: they have a relationship that with you or your people

1241
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 2: or And I don't know this firsthand because I don't

1242
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 2: know that I was here, but I don't I just

1243
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 2: never got round. I don't know the story. Yeah, all

1244
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 2: I know is I was I'll get that second, I

1245
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 2: have one more song. I want to ask in your

1246
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: project one more thing monsters, which is the parentheses wits

1247
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 2: Lala my song. I got like four more questions. But

1248
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 2: so is that a song that you'll play him? Or

1249
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 2: was it just kind of inspired by what like what

1250
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,439
Speaker 2: tell me witsla? Why?

1251
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: So I found out I was pregnant, and for whatever reason,

1252
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: I was just like, I kind of have to write

1253
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: lyrics and melody at the same time, Like I can't

1254
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: just go like, oh, this is a really lovely melody.

1255
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 3: What's it saying to me? Like the words? I just

1256
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 3: will just jam and have my like the voice notes

1257
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 3: on my phone.

1258
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, I started to sing that thing

1259
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 1: about ain't no monsters under the bed, no history hanging

1260
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: over my head. It's something that I felt for myself

1261
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: in that moment, both from just like the entire history

1262
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: of my life. I feel like I was at this place.

1263
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not scared anymore. I'm not scared

1264
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: to be me. I'm not scared for people to know

1265
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: exactly what that is. I do feel a regained sense

1266
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: of confidence and maybe even a confidence I have never

1267
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: experienced before. And then I found out I was pregnant

1268
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,240
Speaker 1: around the same time, and it was like, I loved

1269
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: the idea of getting the pieces in your life organized

1270
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: and cleaning out the clutter in your closet to be

1271
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: able to make space for like another person to come in,

1272
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: whether that's a relationship, whether in my story that was

1273
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: for our son to get to come in and go like, hey,

1274
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: you've got a clean slate here to make this planet

1275
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: anything that you want it to be. As much as

1276
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: I can and as much therapy as I've done, I

1277
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: want to give him like the opportunity for it it

1278
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: to not have a mountain to climb before he's even

1279
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: started to crawl, you know what I mean.

1280
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 3: So that's what monsters meant to me.

1281
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: And it also felt like this point of arrival, I

1282
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: felt like I was singing that to myself as well,

1283
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: like it's my truth and my lullaby, and I wanted

1284
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: to offer that to our son.

1285
00:57:55,040 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty cool. Kind of wondered, Wow, I would

1286
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 2: record it, or if you recorded it for the reason

1287
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 2: of I'm always going to play it for him. But

1288
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: now that you say that, I understood that the context

1289
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 2: is great.

1290
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like there was a moment I was like, do

1291
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: it is this the offering, Hey, lay your head here

1292
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: on my shoulder, or is it there ain't no monsters

1293
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: under my bed? I lay here on my pillow, Like

1294
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: is it the self confidence statement or is that offering?

1295
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:20,959
Speaker 3: And it kind of feels like both.

1296
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: You know, Okay, I got like three questions left, and

1297
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get plead ignorance. This is what I know,

1298
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 2: because I don't when you're like people hold us accountable,

1299
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about. And I just

1300
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 2: kind of nodded along, like yeah, of course, yeah, because

1301
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 2: that whatever that is, I don't know it. The only

1302
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 2: thing that I remember is and I don't know who

1303
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 2: who your management is now, but I'm at Red Light

1304
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: and I know you guys were there and they were like, yeah,

1305
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 2: the vampire is leaving Red Light. I was like okay,

1306
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: and that was it. That's all I ever knew. And

1307
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: then I saw on Instagram at like wait, maybe yellow

1308
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 2: black or yellow again. I don't even.

1309
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 3: Remember, but in the color of the moment, like the

1310
00:58:58,800 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 3: live forever moment.

1311
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Speaker 2: Maybe don't remember, but that's all I remember. But to me,

1312
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 2: I never felt any sort of they you're terrible, they suck.

1313
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 2: They left, But I'm not in the space that you're in.

1314
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: What do you think was the unfair narrative and why

1315
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: do you think that was it?

1316
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 3: Well, let me say it this way.

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Speaker 1: I'm just con I feel like sometimes when and I

1318
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: feel like I see this sometimes from other artists who

1319
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: have stepped out of the space, you feel like you're

1320
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: fighting with everybody when there's a challenge going on, like

1321
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: behind the scenes.

1322
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 2: Like a record label.

1323
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: Yeah got it, okay, you feel like you're fighting a

1324
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: genre for your identity and like to grow and to

1325
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: be rooted here, but also like explore and get to expand. Now,

1326
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: in hindsight, I go I was only fighting like a

1327
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: couple of people for that identity and for that control.

1328
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: It was not country music. And the part of the

1329
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: story that's gotten very lost is that.

1330
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 3: We were not trying to leave the format.

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01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: When we left our first label Home, our intention was

1332
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: not to just go sign above You in LA, right.

1333
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: We wanted to stay rooted in country, which is why

1334
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: we did the deal at Yung Here. And we also

1335
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: had a parent company, which was Innerscope in LA And

1336
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: that's the same situation that we had been in from

1337
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: the beginning. When If I die young crossed over to

1338
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: pop radio, and so I think all of a sudden

1339
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: what happened was country radio, which was so incredibly you know,

1340
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: you lived and died by it. At that moment, that

1341
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: rug got really poled out from under a feet. Like

1342
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: I remember going to do some radio shows promoting our

1343
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: next country single, a song called combat Kid that we

1344
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: put out at YUMNG, and I would have these pds

1345
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: kind of come up the heads of these stations and

1346
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: they would just say, thank you so much for being here,

1347
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: I cannot play this song because because they had been

1348
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: told that it was an act of aggression if they

1349
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: played it, and that they were not to support us anymore.

1350
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is a situation where don't fill in

1351
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 2: any blanks through this situation where it's somebody or some

1352
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 2: unit is powerful force there, you're not aligned, and because

1353
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 2: you're not aligned, their alignment.

1354
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: Wins correct which makes sense to me, because you know,

1355
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: at that point, gatekeepers were such a such a powerful force,

1356
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: and that was a really heartbreaking thing, and it just

1357
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: kept happening. And so the head of our new label

1358
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: at that point they called us on like a Saturday

1359
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: and they just said, Hey, these waters are really turbulent,

1360
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: and so we don't know.

1361
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 3: How to protect you here and help you keep.

1362
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: Growing, keep going, I guess, and like, see if this

1363
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: can break over in the other side it pop And

1364
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: so it was really scary. And it was also like, man,

1365
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: this is such a bummer because I feel like we

1366
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: just gave all of this time to build this this foundation,

1367
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: and now it feels like rug has been pulled underneath

1368
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: our feet.

1369
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 3: All that to say that's nerdy music business stuff, but.

1370
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 2: I need that context because I don't know what you're

1371
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:07,439
Speaker 2: talking about.

1372
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so it's really it's incredibly hard sometimes to see.

1373
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: It's less hard now because there's so much time in

1374
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: the rear view, but when somebody brings the story back up,

1375
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: like the band that killed their own career, it's just like.

1376
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's a lot.

1377
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: That you couldn't see that we were we were dealing

1378
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: with and struggling through and we love country music as

1379
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: the band period. Was never our intention to have that

1380
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: in the rear view. We just wanted to continue to

1381
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: grow and be ourselves at home here and also as

1382
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: if I die young, did have it expand as large

1383
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: as it could in the world, right, Like that's the

1384
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: dream for everybody. So I think in my solo artistry,

1385
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: it's just important for me to be a defender when

1386
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: I can and fill in some of the blanks that

1387
01:02:55,360 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 1: people are curious about, and to really like protect our

1388
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: legacy as much as we can. I'm incredibly proud of

1389
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: what I balanced.

1390
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 2: All three of those things are what a balance. Yeah,

1391
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 2: adding to protect your legacy is quite the balance with

1392
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 2: how we started this. Like how much like if I

1393
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 2: were me, I would't wan to talk about it that

1394
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 2: much because I'd want people to be like, this is

1395
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 2: the new. But at the same time, it is very

1396
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 2: important to you, and you want to make sure that

1397
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 2: it hasn't been confused over time totally.

1398
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 3: And I think sometimes silence just allows things absolutely.

1399
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 2: For sure, Silence gets filled in and it ain't ever

1400
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 2: good for the person that's being silent.

1401
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

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01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 2: I'll say this just you know, because I there's just

1404
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 2: so many parallels I feel between us and how we

1405
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 2: communicate with folks and even our careers in a way.

1406
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 2: But I will go places and I will and you

1407
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 2: may not feel as much as I do, but I'll

1408
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 2: go places and I'm like, I don't like, I don't

1409
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 2: want to go on there because everybody hates me. And

1410
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: my wife will go, why do you think.

1411
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 3: It was?

1412
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 2: Like, because I know I have big opinions and I

1413
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 2: know I'm probably in there all like, we hate this guy,

1414
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 2: we don't want me. She's like, you know them, No,

1415
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 2: but I know how people are. Yeah, right, And she's like,

1416
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 2: but you're basing all this off of a couple of instances.

1417
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 2: She goes, if you're just going to a random city,

1418
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 2: let's say you go to somewhere in Iowa, she goes,

1419
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 2: don't put some theater tickets on sale? Do stand up

1420
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 2: and you'll sell three thousand tickets? Do you think everybody

1421
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 2: hates you? Like no, because she goes, why would you

1422
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 2: randomly feel that walking into a room and why would

1423
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,439
Speaker 2: you let that change how you're feeling or acting out?

1424
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 2: And she has a great point. But emotionally, you know,

1425
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 2: I'm stunted, and I don't know if you feel like

1426
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 2: you're when you first came back to Nashville, Like, I

1427
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 2: don't know people don't like me or people think the bampit.

1428
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 2: I've never once heard that about you.

1429
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 3: Thank you. That means a lot to me.

1430
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: I think coming back in I just didn't know how

1431
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: people were going to respond. I will say it has

1432
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: been overwhelming how warm everybody has been and honestly, how

1433
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: many people both champions the music of my past but

1434
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: also are like we have been wanting to hear the

1435
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: solo voice forever, and that has just been such a

1436
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: warm welcome both in our town in Nashville, but also

1437
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: in country music at large and like the fans. That's

1438
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: been a really really special thing, and I'm incredibly proud

1439
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: of it, you know, because you just don't know, You don't.

1440
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 3: Know how people are going to respond.

1441
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: And that's back to the thing sometimes, and I think

1442
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: this happens in life too, right, it's not just our business,

1443
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: but it's like, really only have a challenge with one

1444
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: or two people, and it feels bigger than that it's

1445
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: really not. And so that's the perspective that I have

1446
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: now that I wish I had had back in those days.

1447
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 3: Was a lot younger though, right, sometimes you only you learn.

1448
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 2: By living, yeah, perspective, Like we said, you don't earn

1449
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 2: it for free. That education costs me more money than

1450
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 2: sometimes paying for a freaking college education one hundred percent.

1451
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: But it's also wisdom that I love imparting to younger

1452
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: artists as well, because I think that there are some

1453
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: land mines that I can help artists navigate around at

1454
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: this point.

1455
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 2: So well, I think people are rooting for you. I

1456
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 2: know I'm rooting for you. I like you, I genuinely

1457
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 2: like to be around you. Even when we would just

1458
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 2: do show stuff, I would be like mak like we

1459
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 2: wouldn't hang out or anything, but like Kimberly is cool

1460
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 2: because I just like say this, and she'd say that,

1461
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 2: and there was just kind of an respect and understanding

1462
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 2: and we're just gonna say what we say and that's

1463
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 2: just who we are and be that mad or we're

1464
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 2: not gonna be that just that's that was just it.

1465
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 2: So I'm rooting for you like I like you and

1466
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 2: I and I just want you to know that because

1467
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 2: if I were you, i'd feel everybody hates me because

1468
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 2: I feel that way. Yeah, and you may not, but

1469
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 2: it's not That's not how it is, thank you, Not

1470
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 2: with me, not with like the normal people. I'm not normal, right,

1471
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 2: but not with like people that aren't so so so

1472
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 2: in the weeds.

1473
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 3: Right, no, one hundred percent.

1474
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: I think any who is also just approaching it with

1475
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: completely pure intentions, right, Like, just do I like this

1476
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: artist music?

1477
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 2: Yes?

1478
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 1: So do I like her as like a lady. That's

1479
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: and that feels nice and I do feel that love.

1480
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: And I think as time goes on, too, I think

1481
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: the truth always finds its way, and I think I'm

1482
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: really really proud of the music that the vand Perry

1483
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: put out, and I believe time is going to be

1484
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: good to the band Perry, And.

1485
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 2: I don't think you even again, You're so in it

1486
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 2: forced from the trees. I'm ten thousand feet up totally.

1487
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 2: I'm not searching for truths. To me, it's just good memories,

1488
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 2: that's it.

1489
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1490
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: I think somebody said, yeah, we just we missed their

1491
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: their cheeky lyrics, and I was like.

1492
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got more cheek coming from Yeah. Yeah, I'm

1493
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 2: super happy for you. I can't wait to see what

1494
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 2: this turns into.

1495
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1496
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 2: And it's never nothing ever turns into anything, but it's

1497
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 2: always turning at the same time, and that that's what's exciting.

1498
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 2: So I'm rooting for you. You guys, which we mentioned earlier,

1499
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 2: Bloom turned into super Bloom, So now you really only

1500
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 2: get super Bloom. Why would you get Bloom exactly? Just

1501
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:11,919
Speaker 2: stream home and then I don't know what's like next year?

1502
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 3: Are you touring bus Baby? I can't wait it?

1503
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's my favorite part of all of this, honestly.

1504
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: And I was just I've been telling everybody like, if

1505
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 1: you put one hundred and eighty shows on the book,

1506
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: so I'll play one hundred and ninety, you know, like

1507
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:26,719
Speaker 1: I can't wait.

1508
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 2: No, the mentality, it's me in trouble.

1509
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I can't wait.

1510
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: But we'll bring a Johnny'll tour with me, and we'll

1511
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 1: bring baby and just take the family on the road.

1512
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 3: I'm really used to that.

1513
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 2: So good to see. Do your friends call you Kim

1514
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 2: or Kimberly or what KP KP got it? Yeah, Well

1515
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 2: when I walked in, they said please report it missus Perry.

1516
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, my bad, stop it. It

1517
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:50,799
Speaker 2: didn't happen, all right, Well, good to see you.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.