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Speaker 1: let her slide a little by the way that last

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00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: statement I made, he is part of Howard slide. But

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00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: that's the punchline of the of the your story. She

427
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: was upset with him for customers. There more we made

428
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: really interesting to me. It was that was like the

429
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: first time that that somebody she then had to explain

430
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: to me, because I was like truth, was like bullshit.

431
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: This guy Wango tangoes clean, sober living guy, I'm like bullshit.

432
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: And and so she had to explain to me the

433
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: abstinence decide better Ted than Dad, and I just stuff

434
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't. Yeah, it was like it was so probably

435
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: seventeen the thought of that being associated with rock and

436
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: roll in any sort of way. It was just like

437
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: two ships passing in the night, like not not the

438
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: same thing. So that was pretty eye opening experience. You know,

439
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: if I'm anything, I'm an eye opener um because I

440
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: don't play status quo games. In fact, I stomp it

441
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: every day of my life. If anything, status quo is

442
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: not good for you, um any, especially in the world

443
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: of what we've seen, our education plummet too, and she

444
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: is an indication of that. She's a manifestation of that

445
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: cultural deprivation where their priorities are askew. Instead of trying

446
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: to save children from the the peer pressure lie, she's

447
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: cautious about her presentation, which means that children don't believe her.

448
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: And if she was involved with something positive, I salute

449
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: all her positive moves. But when it comes to the

450
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: street dangers of substance abuse running a muck, you better

451
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: have a hard core son of a bitch delivering that message,

452
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: because if it's somebody adjusting to tie and being cautious

453
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: about what they say, the kids will laugh in their

454
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: face and probably smoke more dope here that Yeah, here

455
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: we go. Uh. This year's TRC piece, sweep Snakes, has

456
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: already started now here's the deal of the entry period

457
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: runs through April. This is the this is the We've

458
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: done us a bunch of times. Now. The grand prize

459
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: is a turkey hunt trip with me in Michigan. That's

460
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 1: not there because he's said, come on, people are attention

461
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: for one second, they're gonna be I heard that. Come on,

462
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: So three night, two day hunt you and a buddy

463
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: in southwestern Michigan. Go to www dot t r cp

464
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: dot org slash sweep Steaks by April at midnight. All

465
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: donations we'll support t r CPS mission to guarantee all

466
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: Americans quality places the hunting fish. See official rules for

467
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: details on how to enter without making a donation. That's

468
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: always like a little legal thing. If I was gonna

469
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: become an attorney, and I used to think maybe I would,

470
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: I would focus on raffle and sweep steaks. The law

471
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: that's the most bullshit ridden world. Yes, like you you're

472
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: really your a little kid, and you like have to

473
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: buy like the Captain Crunch to enter to win, like

474
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: a in your box top and then you or or

475
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: you don't need to buy Captain Crunch, you just write

476
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: a letter. It's sweep stakes law is a horrible regardless

477
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: of donations. Okay, so so go there if you if

478
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: you wanna learn how to enter to win the hunt

479
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: without actually doing anything to support the organization. There's a

480
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: way around this. All go to the official rules regardless

481
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: of donation status. There is a limit of five hundred

482
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: entries per person for the entire interviewer. Now I'd like

483
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: to get into here's the thing. There's two things. I'm

484
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: at a torn here because I would like to talk

485
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: about how much we raised through this annual event, but

486
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: that would make people feel like they had a low

487
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: chance of winning. So I'm not gonna talk about it.

488
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: But it's important people that enter every year, four or

489
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: five people interviewear. In fact, on May we're doing last

490
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: year's winners are meeting me and Yanni on the farm

491
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: to hunt turkeys on May. I'm flying there on May

492
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: ten for last year's winners, but we're talking about the

493
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: next group of winners. Uh oh. Also another announcement, Billings

494
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: Live Show is May three, Alberta Beart Theater, Billings, Montana

495
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: me eatter Live uh Alberta Beart b ai R. Go

496
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: to their website to get tickets. Tickets are live now

497
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: disclaimer not in Alberta, not in Alberta, Billings, Montana. Yeah,

498
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,239
Speaker 1: Michael Hunter, the chef up in Canada that he got

499
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: excited when he saw that, but then he read more

500
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: carefully realized it wasn't in Canada at Alberta. Get Alberta

501
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,239
Speaker 1: and Girls right Alberta Beart Theater, Billings, Montana, May three event. Uh,

502
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: cow will be there. Get your tickets now. Uh. The

503
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: Land Access Initiative, when are we running the auction house

504
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: of odys. It's gonna be middle of April, so right

505
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: around April fift Okay, so uh, we're doing two things

506
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: right now. We're we're soliciting submissions for the Land Access Initiative.

507
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: How long is they're hunting and fishing for America? Yeah?

508
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: So if you know, like the ifect spot for a

509
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: boat launch, I keep throwing that example on easement from

510
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: through private to public, anything that provides more access to

511
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing for America. If you have good ideas

512
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: where we could implement this, go to the meat eater

513
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: dot com. Underneath conservation there's our Land Access Initiative and

514
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: you can submit a project or property. This can be individuals,

515
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: this can be UM state and federal agencies. If it

516
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: provides more access, we're gonna take a hard look at it,

517
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: hopefully raise a bunch of money. We're gonna throw in

518
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of money of our own. Last year we

519
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: raised over seventy tho dollars, sorry, two years ago, over

520
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: seventy thou dollars for our first project, which was Shiloh Pond,

521
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: which was uh public use area that was threatened of

522
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: going away forever. And now it belongs to the town

523
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: ship of Kingsfield Main and is open to public access

524
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: in perpetuity. You can fish it, hunt it. Good for you.

525
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: That's a beautiful There's a lot of that out there here.

526
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: Another quick point. I think we had the bumps some stuff,

527
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: but I ain't to raised this point Clay. If you

528
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: listen to Clay's show, Bear Grease, you've heard his the

529
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: Jerry like I think I told you about Jerry Clowd.

530
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: You you need to prove to me that you knew

531
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: about Jerry clarr before I told you about Jerry Clowds.

532
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: You when you said that to me context we did

533
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: the episode. Let me back up and we're gonna get

534
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: back to our guess. People are from with the Grand

535
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: Old Opry. Between acts at the Grand Old Opry, there's

536
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,479
Speaker 1: a guy Jerry Cloward used to get up and tell

537
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: like coon hunting stories at the Grand Old Opry. That's

538
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: a grand I listening to Jerry Clower. Yeah, and I

539
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: I told I think I said, if you like coon

540
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: hun you are to listen to Jerry Cloward. And then

541
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: Clay did a whole episode in Jerry Clower and Credit

542
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: in which he neglected, not only to Steve is really

543
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: upset he neglected. I don't think he even brings up

544
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: the fact that I grew up listen Jerry Clark, or

545
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: that you should have interviewed me, because I could quote

546
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: any Jerry Clark story. I think Phil edited that part out. No,

547
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: you did mention Jerry Clowd to me, but that wouldn't

548
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: have been the claim that that was the first you

549
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: were the person that introduced me to Jerry Clower would

550
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: be inaccurate. So but but now that you say that,

551
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: I do remember you mentioned in that one time to

552
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: me you did mention Jerry Clowd. And and the Jerry

553
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: Clowd episode which will have already come out now some

554
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: people would have heard it on Bargrease it. It came

555
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: on super quick, and so Steve I just didn't have time.

556
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: I actually thought about texting you to see if he

557
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: even knew who he was, because but he literally didn't

558
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: have time for text so fast. Yeah, when you hear

559
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: the episode, you'll hear me make some assumptions about people

560
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: who know who Jerry Cloud is and you would not

561
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: fit into that assumption. Is it Cloud or Clower? He was.

562
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: He was a Southern comedian and he wouldn't tell His

563
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: thing was he wouldn't tell a story that he wouldn't

564
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: stand up from his church to tell. So he would

565
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: he would have he would have clashed because Jerry Clowd

566
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: you would use no profanity as a comedian, but would

567
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: tell these wonderful coon hunting stories. Now here's how I

568
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: know him. My my mom was from the suburbs of Chicago,

569
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: like which is now a suburb but was then farm country.

570
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: She was a w g N, the radio station w

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00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: g N. She like, she had country music radio stays

572
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: and they covered the sports, so they covered she was

573
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: clubs cubs, right. She would like when she moved up

574
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: to Michigan, you know, she'd be out there wrapping aluminum

575
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: foil around the antenna and shipped to try to listen

576
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: to w g N. Clower used to now and then

577
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: go on w g N to tell a story. So

578
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: that's my whole connection to Cloud. Yeah, respect the Houston,

579
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: the South. One last thing that we're back to our

580
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: guess this is a burning question. I was questioning why

581
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: when you put a radio collar on a mountain, lion

582
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: or whatever, why you have it pull its location every

583
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: thirteen hours? And I said, that's weird. Why would you

584
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: not like it? Seems like most people be like, oh,

585
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: I haven't do it every twelve hours. What's the magic

586
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: of every thirteen hours? Heffelfinger and a bunch of other

587
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: people rolled in to explain. Jim Heffelfinger says, the reason

588
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: radio collars are set to record the location every thirteen hours,

589
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: so they are collecting locations every clock hour in the

590
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: twenty four hour cycle. I'll go on and not following

591
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: if you set it for noon and midnight only. If

592
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: you set it for noon and midnights on a twenty

593
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: four hour cycle, you only know where they are at

594
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: noon or midnight, and you probably only find out where

595
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: they like to bed down if you set it for

596
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: thirteen hours. You get a location at one pm one day,

597
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: then two am, then three pm, then four am. After

598
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: a month, you have locations for every hour on the clock.

599
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: Then you take all those data points and analyze what

600
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: you're doing at any time during the twenty four hour

601
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: cycle you're interested in. With turkeys, we often collect every

602
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: hour during daylight hours and then pull one point at

603
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: eleven fifty nine pm to get the nightly roost location. Now,

604
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: Fred Bear, No, actually I've I've got a quick before

605
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: we get too far away from public education and Ted Nugent,

606
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: I've got a public education, which is I do? Yeah,

607
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: I've got some Ted story that's true. I wasn't even

608
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: gonna bring us up. And I'm afraid to now that

609
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: I heard you obliterate Cal's teacher. So I went to

610
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: dedicator life to public education. Okay, So I went to

611
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: Evergreen High School in Vancouver, Washington. Uh. My first week

612
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: of high school, this teacher, I'll mention his name in

613
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: a SEC rolls in that I think I do. He

614
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: rolls in, you know, he goes to a v room,

615
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: rolls in an old TV in a VCR, starts telling

616
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: Hi a story about how he used to be a

617
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: songwriter in Los Angeles. His name was Randy Kate. Does

618
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: that name ring any bells? And he sticks in a

619
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: VHS state. I think it was probably my second day

620
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: of high school and we watched the video for a

621
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: song called Tied Up in Love, which he says he

622
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: co wrote. Could be Okay, I don't know if I

623
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: attribute that name to that song, but if he says so,

624
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Okay, he

625
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: was really proud of it piece, and just give it

626
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, a great piece of music with Brian Howe,

627
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: God Rest his soul, who I hired for that album

628
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: Penetrator in the eighties and uh and uh, Brian just

629
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: here passed away here a couple of years ago. Just

630
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: a great, great British singer who ended up singing lead

631
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: for Bad Company for two years and wrote there some

632
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: of their biggest songs. Um. But that song was on

633
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: the Penetrator album and it's it's a well known song

634
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: and it's a killer song. But he did it on keyboards,

635
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: which I don't care for, and I do it on guitar,

636
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: which I really care for. Yeah. Yeah, anyways, want to

637
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: say that forever stuff? Who who doesn't have a Ted

638
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: Nugent start around for seing does I got, I got it,

639
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: I got I gotta tell what it'll be so short,

640
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: so ted I grew up. You know, I'm in the

641
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: nineties was kind of my peak time of damn taking

642
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: in taking outdoor media. My dad was a big bow hunter,

643
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: so we watched all the Arkansas and so my dad's

644
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: really good friend, John mesco he they loved you guys.

645
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: John had a zebra striped jeep Ted Nugent style zebra

646
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: stripe jeep, and he had he also had this is

647
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: my dad's best friend, and you know, kind of like

648
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: a second dad to me. And he also had the

649
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: Oneida Eagle whack Master stripe. So I mean we were

650
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: we were big into all that and and there really

651
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: is a lot of stories. I've been around a long time.

652
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: I got a big mouth. I celebrate my life. I

653
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: celebrate the American dream. I celebrate all the good stuff

654
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: and condemn all the bad stuff. I'm I'm what the

655
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: Founding Fathers wanted all Americans to be. You can laugh

656
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: all you want, engaged, engage, they want they wanted us

657
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: to be engaged. I'm engaged, and I'm considered radical because

658
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm engaged. I'm considered radical because I spot like cockroaches

659
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: who abuse power. Well, did you mind your own business?

660
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: America is my business. Freedom is my business. So everybody's

661
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: got a story. And if you follow me around anywhere,

662
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: whether it's Whole Foods and the pierced nipple, guys come

663
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: out and want to talk about venison and ten millimeters

664
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: or the Starbucks where you wouldn't think it was Ted

665
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: Nugent country. In Mill Valley, California, the purple haired gal

666
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: wants to know what kind of guns you should buy

667
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 1: her grandma. My confidence level is dangerous, but I'm humbled

668
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: by deer. So everybody does have a Ted Nugent story,

669
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: because unless you've been living under a rock, you had

670
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: to have witnessed me raise hell or have fun, or

671
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: be a smartass, or just live a fire breathing freedom lifestyle.

672
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: So it is I think a universal truism that I've

673
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: left a vapor trail because I'm engaged. I'm hardcore engaged.

674
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: They call him Kim trail these days, accept minor not

675
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: toxic um. So when um for like, Okay, I grew

676
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: up in Michigan and I graduated high school and it's

677
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: like and why and whanting to come talk to you.

678
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: One of the primary the reasons you've had relevance to

679
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: me my whole life is uh, what you meant two

680
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: guys like me at that juncture, like at that time

681
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: in our life, particularly when it came to sort of

682
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: a crescendo in the Fred Bear era where it was

683
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: like we liked Um. We all my friends I would

684
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: grow up hunting Um and Austin. Here is this person

685
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: from our area who celebrated that area and just really

686
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: in a popular way, really spoke to a thing that

687
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: we cared a lot about, and it was like finding

688
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: uh representation at that time and just to help people

689
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: understand sort of like how that like permeated culture, that

690
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: culture in that era is. I remember one day I

691
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: was driving and I was driving out for the opening

692
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: day archery season and I was hunting this I was

693
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: hunting the area of Manaseee National Forest, which you know

694
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: well it was a little place on the White River,

695
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: and it was probably an hour before daylight listening to

696
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: FM radio. Fred came on and the guys like, hey, man,

697
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: like I know what's going on right now with a

698
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: lot of you out there and here's something for you.

699
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: And then sort of the pre morning darkness and it

700
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: hit as I was going down to two tracks through

701
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: Manassee National Forest, He's like, you'll know what it means

702
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: and would roll fred Bear. I'm talking like mainstream FM

703
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: radio and he picked he picked his moment with like

704
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: he knew you know, it was just like it was.

705
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 1: If it wasn't for me, he wouldn't have known. Probably

706
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: probably in that case that he was like a rock

707
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: and roll like a disc jockey. You know. That was

708
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: back when like FM read like had like live people

709
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: sitting there making selections. But it was, um, it was

710
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: like it was deeply impactful at that time. I want

711
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: but what I want to do is how like talk

712
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: about how you got tangled up an archery and what

713
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: the connection to Fred Bear, like who Fred Bear was

714
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: and what was going on in bow hunting at that time.

715
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: You mentioned earlier that you know, the first archery season

716
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: and you mentioned the first guy to legally kill a

717
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: deer the bow in Wisconsin. George Yea, Like, how did you, like,

718
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: how did you get tangled up in that world and

719
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: how did you become into Fred Bear? Well, first of all,

720
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: and why did he take you seriously? You know, let

721
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: me out maximize the spotlight on your anecdot out of

722
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: hearing the fread Bear song on a rock and roll

723
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: radio station, celebrating You're very pulse at that moment, and

724
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: how I've heard is it tens of thousands of those

725
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: stories probably, And I have trained the otherwise anti hunting

726
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: media rock and roll dopers to celebrate conservation because of

727
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: that song, which was organic and spontaneous and uncontrollable. When

728
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: that song happened, as anything in life. I was born

729
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: in Detroit along the Rouge River in Detroit, which was

730
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: a wildlife paradise. The pheasanisant quail. It's just, oh my god.

731
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: I my essence was learning to slither onto a covey

732
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: of quail like a pointing dog. And how that happened.

733
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: Dad was already a follower of fred Bear when I

734
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: was born forty eight. He already had a bow. I

735
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: got his bow in the other room there, and we

736
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: would go north every October, including October I was ten

737
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: months old, and and hunt the Mandaesee National Forest and

738
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: up a near standish and hillman hawks and up around

739
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: uh Manistee, and I think every kid back then had

740
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: a Daisy red Rider BB gun episode homemade sling shots.

741
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: Everybody made homemade sling shots. Um, everybody made a homemade

742
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: bow and arrow. I mean where I was in Detroit,

743
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: but everybody made a bow and arrow. Go down to

744
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: the Rouge River and cut down a sapling and flex

745
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: it for and get a bailing twine and bend it

746
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: and cut some other ones and try to get them

747
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: straight and shoot those arrows. I think it's as primal

748
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 1: a calling as exists. It's probably projectile management, slash sex.

749
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: You need to propagate and you need to protect and feed.

750
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: It's it's as raw as your breath. And because my

751
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: dad was a bow hunter, and because of that era,

752
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: following World War Two, my god, what a positive, glowing,

753
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: good over evil universal celebration where we crushed the Nazis

754
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: because the g I s had freedom to come home

755
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: to which made their warrior spirit more dangerous, more wonderful,

756
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: and the work ethic, the community, the pride of accomplishment,

757
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: and the forced pride of accomplishment by by my dad.

758
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: What a son of a bit. It was a paid

759
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: to the ask growing up, but boy did it pan out.

760
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: Was a veteran, Yes, World War two Korea, US Army

761
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: Cavalry jewel sergeant, and he never stopped I could anyhow,

762
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: So the discipline of gun safety, the discipline of instead

763
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: of bumbling into cova quail, but learning to walk slower.

764
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: And this looks like perfect oail habitat. I think I'll

765
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: get down on the ground now and see if there's

766
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: any quail over there, and then I would literally snake

767
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: and learn the lessons that your teacher missed that cause

768
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: and effect without due respect, she she missed out on it.

769
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: She never slithered up on a cover your quail. I'm

770
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: sure she had lessons and cause and effect, but nothing

771
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: more emphatic at that mushy brained youth of mind, your

772
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: mushy brained, and you're picking up on information. If your

773
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: parents nurture and discipline you to pick up in information

774
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: because you can't make the same mistake twice or will

775
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: knock your block off. You ever heard that term before

776
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: goes with nose to the grindstone and all that kind

777
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: of stuff that I think is illegal. Now, So my

778
00:48:52,920 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: discipline by my dad and the natural reward words of discipline,

779
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: hitting that pheasant before it flushed and on occasion hid

780
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: it when it did flush. I mean, that was so gratifying,

781
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: so so hallelujah of a moment. I take that quail

782
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: home I killed, and my dad showed me how to

783
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: pluck it and sometimes skin it and filet it and

784
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: gut it and cook it. What incredible lessons for life

785
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: itself and the gratification factor of going from a homemade

786
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: bow and shooting the occasional chipmunk to actually getting a

787
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: fiberglass bare bow with real arrows. Are you kidding me?

788
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: Because we didn't have any money. We we lower a

789
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: middle class but frugal and prioritized, which means that you're

790
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: better than rich people. But you essentially went from a

791
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: red rider be begun to at that point overnight. No,

792
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: not really, not really. I was so and remained so

793
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: engrossed in the mystical flight of the arrow that I

794
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: have sniper rifles and when I have to kill more animals,

795
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: I pull them out. But I am so at seventy

796
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: three point five years, I'm more titillated than I was

797
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: as that kid, which is a gift because I've been

798
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: cleaning sober, so my my central radar still real touchy.

799
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: I consider my entire life to be a purple rimmed dick,

800
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: and the slightest breeze, the slightest breeze, come to attention,

801
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: how am I doing so? Anyhow? So anyhow I am.

802
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: I am raw and pure because I've been cleaning sober,

803
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: I have no tainting um. And so in that era,

804
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 1: we'd go north. Here, I'll try not to cry. We'd

805
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: go north and stop and grailing as this little boy.

806
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: And here's this kind of dull yellow cinder block shack.

807
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,959
Speaker 1: That Nell's Grumley, Nell's Grumley, no original bowyer of Fred

808
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: Bear that left Detroit and went to Grayling and forty

809
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: eight me whatever the year was, Bear archery, little shaft.

810
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: Maybe the size of this room were those guys making.

811
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: Those guys were added in those years, Yeah, like producing

812
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: both to sell because they saw hunting with the bow

813
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: and arrow by Saxon Pope and Art Young at the

814
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 1: Detroit Theater that that documented the Issy education phenomena as

815
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: Roy weatherby God bless him, developing long range ballistic capability

816
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: beyond the thirty thirty am small missmall. That's exciting. I

817
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: love it. I lived at my surprise. I didn't have

818
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: surgery and my eyeballs to put crosshairs in there. I

819
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: love crosshairs now, I love trigger squeeze, and I love

820
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 1: the ballet of marksmanship. I get to train with delta

821
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: force and shoot thousand yards stuff and it it's so

822
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: challenge and fulfilling. But we'd stopped at this little shack,

823
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: and I didn't know because it started when I was

824
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: a year old. But by the time I was four

825
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: or five, and I'm already cruising the Rouge River with

826
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 1: homemade bows and narrows, so I'm already naturally fascinated by projectiles.

827
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: I made my own sling shots and I was murdered.

828
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: I think I had the songbird Grand Slam. By the

829
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: time I was seven, I had a blind right next

830
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: to the bird feeder. I learned early productive, highly productive.

831
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna kill birds. Let's go by the bird feeder. Um.

832
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: But we'd meet this tall, lanky, funny gentleman, easy going,

833
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: slow guy, and eventually I'm going that's Fred Bear. That's

834
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: the guy in True magazine with a polar Bear. I

835
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: met him where at at this little bar archery shack nine,

836
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: probably as early as fifty two fifty three, um, and

837
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: events just going in there. My dad would stop and

838
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: visit with him. But but this is you're not even

839
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: touching professional music land about this pome No, I'm playing guitar. Well,

840
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: by the time I was six, I was beating on

841
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: a guitar. So the bow and arrow outdoor fascination. And again,

842
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: you don't start quail when you're four or five. At

843
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: the time I was six or seven, I never played

844
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: ball or I played a little hockey in the Rouge

845
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: River and I did little league stuff. But I couldn't

846
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: wait to get to the river with my bone arrow

847
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: and my sling shot. So now I'm getting to be

848
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: seven or eight years old and I'm actually following my

849
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: dad in the National forest with a bow and arrow. Um.

850
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: Obviously I couldn't kill anything, but it was an imprinting lifestyle. Well,

851
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: now I'm realizing this guy were stopping at the Gradling

852
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: restaurant having cherry pie and chocolate milk with that's Fred Bear.

853
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: That's like my bow hunting Chuck Berry and I get

854
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: to hang with him and every year. Eventually my dad,

855
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: who went from working for mybll on Lasher and Grand River.

856
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: I remember all this stuff, um, and to go to

857
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: Miller's feed store. Explain what mob bell was, the original

858
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: A T and T the phone company military. Yeah, just

859
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: just after the crank phone, and now we can dial them.

860
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: I go way back, man Um, So the crank to

861
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: dial phone. It played a role in my fascination with

862
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: going from homemade bows to the to the fiberglass recurve

863
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: to meeting Fred Bare. And of course when you had

864
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: two seater arrows back then with real fletching, Yeah, hung

865
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: out of an arsenal. It's like a high capacity quiver

866
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: back then. And here's Fred Bare with a wall full

867
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: of arrows, and he's he's experimenting with his lathe with

868
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: his lamination, the gooey glass and the fiberglass and the

869
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: wood layers. He invented the the layering of those components too,

870
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 1: for improved cast of his artistic recurves, his beautiful pieces

871
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: of wood craftsmanship. And he was such a fun guy,

872
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: funny guy, smartass. As I grew older, I realized he's

873
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: funny guy. And then my dad went from working for

874
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: the phone company to represent the Utah Home Swedish Steel

875
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: Company UM and their especialty was rolled tempered blue spring

876
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: steel bear razor insert and he negotiated with Fred and

877
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: so now that the steel company from Sweden that my

878
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: dad represented now made the bleeder blades for the famous

879
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: bear razorheads, and now they had a business connection, and

880
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: so they would hunt the quarter sections up there after,

881
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: you know, the timbering company denuded northern Michigan, and that

882
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: habitat that grew up from the over harvesting Noptember, the

883
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: total harvesting Noptember perfect wildlife habitat. Everything, all wildlife benefited

884
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: from this new accessible I mean beautiful. So these lessons

885
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 1: are these lessons are going into my brain in spite

886
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,479
Speaker 1: of the anti education system. And so by the time

887
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 1: I'm uh fourteen, I'm like gaga that we're gonna stop

888
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: at Fred Bear's place. And it was still just a shack.

889
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: I think he'd expanded it by that time. So he

890
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: we eat cherry pie and chocolate milk at the gray

891
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: Lean restaurant with Fred Bear. And now I'm really shooting.

892
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm starting to kill stuff with my bone arrow. Then

893
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: my dad got transferred to Illinois Schaumburg, where it was

894
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: all pheasant country and there was no deer back then,

895
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: but a lot of small game and sixty five, my

896
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: band had just won the Michigan Battle of the Bands.

897
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: We opened up for the Supremes at the brand new

898
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: Cobo Hall. I was on my way and I got

899
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: yanked out of my damn it. So I started the

900
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: Ambo Dukes the day I landed in Chicago, in in

901
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: Schaumburg Um and that's when the amboy Do started. But

902
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: then when I graduated in sixty seven, I immediately went

903
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: back and went up to say hello to Fred. And

904
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: now it's not a shock. It's the largest archery company

905
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: on the planet with this huge museum. It was I

906
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: was like, awesome, But I'm starting to look a little hippie,

907
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: like got long hair, and I'm amboy Dukes are just

908
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: breathing rhythm and blues, rock and roll fire, just the intensity,

909
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: and shoot flaming arrows on stage. And this is a

910
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: great You'll you'll love this part. I know you probably

911
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: love all these parts. I love all these parts. So

912
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: now I go up and reintroduced myself to Fred. But

913
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm kind of looking like a hippie. I had bell

914
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: bottoms on and you know, patchwork leather jacket and forty

915
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: four magnum in my belt and a pocket full of speedloaders.

916
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: Nobody saw that. But boy, I wasn't a hippie um,

917
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: and he was a little off. And I remember you

918
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: telling you it's a great as your dad's children. We

919
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: had a conversation, but I could tell it was a

920
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: little uncomfortable, and I was really let down. You know.

921
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: Did you know the why it was uncomfortable for him

922
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: because of the Yeah, but then he would have been

923
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: like in his fifties or yes, when he just started

924
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: going on adventure hunt like when when you were when

925
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: you were this hippie coming. He was probably in his fifties.

926
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: So many erration real disdained for anything hippie um that

927
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: I agreed with, even though I'm in the swirl of

928
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: that world and they were nice hippies and my band

929
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: were hippies, um, not not many of them. They eventually

930
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: became hippie UM. But I was still militantly anti substance

931
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: abuse because I had already witnessed it turned virtuosos into

932
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: celebrity and idiots. So my dad's discipline, instead of me

933
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: being a rebel, I went on his advice makes sense

934
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: to benefit the quality of my music. I re rehearsed

935
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: and rehearsed, and our music was so powerful. I mean,

936
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: listen to the opening journey the Center of Mine, not

937
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: anybody else that Gregor Raymond bass guitar. Holy God, what

938
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: a gifted young man, sixteen years old playing stuff that

939
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,479
Speaker 1: Bob Babbitt and James Jamerson of the infamous Motown Funk

940
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: Brothers would come and watch the amboy Duke because Greg's

941
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: bass play was so out of this world sixteen year

942
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: old kid, and the world's most revered bass players for

943
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: Motown would come and watch Greg. So I'm going all

944
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: over the place here, but coless and so the word

945
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: I got. I went back and visited Fred again, and

946
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: that was sixty seven again, and sixty eight when I

947
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: started hunting irons. I'm hunting the maneste alshal Forrest, and

948
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: this time he was so happy to see me and

949
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: hugged me and shook my hand and asked me how

950
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: the bow hunt is going. I hear you're a successful musician,

951
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: and um, he goes, you know, uh. I talked to

952
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: some of my buddies and they said that you always

953
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: promote bow hunting, and that you shoot bows and arrows

954
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: on stage, and that you're all about being clean and sober.

955
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: So I guess I'll give me a second shot. Yeah,

956
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: when I think rightly, So, I think you should be

957
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: suspicious of a of a cultural segment that is is

958
00:59:56,080 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: at least suspicious and all too often negative. Um. But

959
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: so we became just the best of friends because I

960
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: like that he goes. When when young people come to

961
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: my museum, they always asked me if I know Ted Dogen. Yes,

962
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: I have gotten going that music to hear guys. You

963
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: guys found like a symbio. You guys hit on like

964
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: a symbiotic relations Yeah. Uniquely, uniquely, uh, collision of planets. Um,

965
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: much to the benefit of both planets. Because I've never

966
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: gone on a radio or promoted tour without it turning

967
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: into a bow hunting promotion. I've never done gone and

968
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: done an interview to promote a new record without it

969
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: turning into the celebration of the mystical flight of the era.

970
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: And being clean and sober, that's why my guitar playing

971
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: is so sexy. I mean literally, it sounds cute, but

972
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: it's true. And so we became friends, and he started

973
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: inviting me to Grouse Haven over there in Rose City,

974
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: his annual event, and it was have an unearthed too,

975
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,479
Speaker 1: And then I ended up playing bass for Chuck Burry

976
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: and bow Didley. So now I'm playing base for Chuck

977
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: Barry bow Didley. I'm bow hunting with Fred Bear and

978
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: Parnelly Jones, driving me around the ind and the Mustang.

979
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: Where else can I go? And you said, Chuck Barry

980
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: was was your that's who are you playing guitar? To be? Like?

981
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: Of course that hap to be just on nine monumental? Right?

982
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: Whoa I need to um? As a young uppity, borderline,

983
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: out of control energized guy, I had to like embrace

984
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: these moments. So as I pulled up to Fred Bear's camp, um,

985
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: I had to take a deep breath and go all right,

986
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: sponge hang with Fred. I didn't even bow hunt much

987
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: because Fred didn't bow hunt much. And I'd stay at

988
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: their fireplace with him and try not to be too

989
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: much of a stalker, but try to absorb all his

990
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: wisdom in his uh, his touch. And I did. And

991
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: then the last time, UH was October of eighty seven.

992
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: Him and we walked the lanes at Grouse Haven. He

993
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: had his oxygen tank that he carried with him, and

994
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: he uh went on and on about how all the

995
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: sporting goods shows. He goes to that anybody under forty,

996
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: all they want to know is if they know if

997
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: he knows ted nugent. And of course that my ego

998
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: is like soaring in the stratosphere. Not really, but my

999
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: appreciation for that, my natural activities of celebrating archery, bow hunting, conservation,

1000
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: clean and sober did it. It ended up elevating to

1001
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: where my hero appreciated and thanked me for it. He said,

1002
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: I've heard people in the industry will condemn you because

1003
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: you're whack him and stack him. But the young people,

1004
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: young people know that that means you're having fun. I mean,

1005
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: we're only killing harvest semanthics. Really does this ring any bells?

1006
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: So he said, keep doing what you're doing. He goes,

1007
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: you're impacting a demographic that we desperately need the impact,

1008
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: and nobody in the industry can or even knows it.

1009
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: Gives a bunch of stuff. Sure, and every leader of

1010
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: every conservation organization is so cautious and dare you know what,

1011
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: children it just stodgy. Can I ask you a question specifically,

1012
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: stop me if because I feel like Fred has such

1013
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: a reputation in the industry as being this like father

1014
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: figure of archery, which I understand. I feel like most people,

1015
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: probably much younger than me, wouldn't We wouldn't have They

1016
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't have hardly been alive when he was here. What

1017
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: was fred Bear really like? Like you're sitting around a

1018
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: camp fire with him rather than going hunting with him?

1019
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 1: Like what what did he embody? What kind of wisdom

1020
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: did he have? What was he like? That was so

1021
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: impressive because you know, everybody, it's kind of like we've

1022
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: decided he's a legend, and so all of us admire

1023
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: him as a legend. We know he was a pioneer

1024
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: with making bows, but it's like there's other untold story

1025
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: that I don't really know that well of like why

1026
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: was he such a great guy? Well, I can go

1027
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: all the way back to the first encounters as a

1028
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: little boy, Um, just positive, funny, friendly, a gentleman, uh engaging,

1029
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: he talked with my dad, and of course I was

1030
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: just a little kids. I was only getting the peripherer.

1031
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: And I guess he was an accomplished, a very accomplished

1032
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: bow hunter. Well, his his his accomplishments in marketing and

1033
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: the technology of laminations and the upgrading of the capability

1034
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: of the modern bows that he pioneered, particularly the laminations

1035
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: in those beautiful recurves. So around the campfire between him

1036
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: and Bob Munger, his partner, and then Dick mak who

1037
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: was his financer back in sixty sixty two who just

1038
01:04:55,560 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: passed away at ninety n Dick mack on us last

1039
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: year and we kept in touch. I'm this young uppity

1040
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: rock and roll maniac hanging out with these this these

1041
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: old guard pioneers of bow hunt. And I referenced Roy

1042
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: weatherby expanding ballistic capabilities, which is awesome. But some guys

1043
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: Ben Pearson, Roy Case Wisconsin, Um, certainly Doug Walker in

1044
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: California Western bow Hunter, and Fred bare was the daddy

1045
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: of them all, Um, and there's others. But they knew

1046
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: as we know, and we love shooting him at long range.

1047
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: Takes a real discipline to make that long range shot,

1048
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: no matter how plighted in your gun, is that moment

1049
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: of truth, that trigger drop. It's special moment long range

1050
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: short range. Now you you magnify that by what a million.

1051
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: When you've got to be so close those deer can

1052
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 1: see your nose hair is moving, and you have to

1053
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: execute a shot under the most challenging of conditions. God

1054
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: made these animals not to let us do that, so

1055
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: we have to really call upon the spirit within to

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01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: earn full draw. That's what Fred and Roy Case I

1057
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 1: can't mention his name enough, and those Ben Pearson, Howard Hill,

1058
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: those guys, that's what they saw was missing in the

1059
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: advancement of long range shooting. That long range shooting as

1060
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: good as it is, which is perfect, I think it's perfect,

1061
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: but it's the longer the range, the more the disconnect.

1062
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: And that's good. You got you gotta kill the animals,

1063
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: you gotta harvest the surplus. Venison at a thousand yards

1064
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: is just as good as well, is just as good

1065
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 1: as venison at ten yards, but probably not because psychologically,

1066
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: I think it's more delicious because you had to do

1067
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: you had to make such You're intimate. You're so intimate.

1068
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: It's so that's why I call everything I do the

1069
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: Spirit of the wild. My song is Spirit of the Wild,

1070
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: my show is Spirit of the Wild, my my podcast

1071
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: is Spirit Campfire. I learned early on that my disdain

1072
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: for the drooling, stumbling dopers and drunks um was at

1073
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: its most apparent and inescapable hunting with a bone arrow.

1074
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: That's why I mentioned about slithering in out of covey

1075
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: of quail. My whole, clean and sober battle cry is

1076
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: that are you making a conscientious step or you're bumbling?

1077
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: Make a conscientious step slow. Like Fred and so many

1078
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: people I've heard you said, you hunt more of your

1079
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: eyes than your feet. Your rewards are more meaningful. In fact,

1080
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: you're not going to be rewarded if you're stumbling. But

1081
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: if you take a conscientious step, stalking, stealth, situational awareness, um,

1082
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: the rewards are ultimate backstraps or at least getting close.

1083
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: I'd literally were be able to slither up on a

1084
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 1: covey of quail within inches of this circle. I've witnessed

1085
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: the circle of quail before they explode. Um. That stays

1086
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: with you forever. So what Fred spread on that those

1087
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: years that he entrepreneurial marketing, promotional brilliance was his be

1088
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: a two season hunter. Remember that campaign there one guy

1089
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: in the orange and the other guy with the cameo

1090
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: bow and a gun. Beautiful boy. There's a harmonial, harmonious

1091
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: message that the industry, could you is more of? And

1092
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: on seven we walked down the trails, and he thanked

1093
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: me and said keep doing what you're doing. Um, ignore

1094
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: the critics because they criticize me because I put a

1095
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,719
Speaker 1: match stick on my bow when I won the state

1096
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: UH three D championship. It was one of the first

1097
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: yes because he had target panic. Um, he says, that

1098
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: doesn't have nothing to do with anything. The critics criticized.

1099
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 1: Nonsense in consequential, counterproductive nonsense, he says. When you say

1100
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: whack him and stack him, all that really means is

1101
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: you're having fun. If you can get a bag limit

1102
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: of blue gills, that would be whacking and stacking. Find

1103
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: fault with that right Well, to every right there, Steve, Yes,

1104
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: I understand your point so so, but the thing is

1105
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,560
Speaker 1: it it comes to you use the word crescendo. I

1106
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 1: have a lot of crescendos. My whole life is a crescendo.

1107
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 1: In fact, I don't hire your music unless I can

1108
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: see the foreheads, and there the veins on their foreheads

1109
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: pop every song I want. I want James Brown, I

1110
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: don't want Simon and garfuncle. Um. Being that as it may,

1111
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: so seven October, intimate communication around the campfire, So to

1112
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: your inquiry, just just a ship kicker just and he

1113
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 1: would talk about the polar bear hunt, he would talk

1114
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: about his elephant hunt. He would talk about promoting the Uh,

1115
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: the poison pods on the arrows are aware of that? Man,

1116
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: you know what as of a few days ago, Oh,

1117
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: just learned about it. Well I knew about it. But

1118
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 1: we had a we had a story. We work on

1119
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: this series. Um these close call things where people tell

1120
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: close calls in the wild, and a guy had a

1121
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: great had a We heard about a guy that actually

1122
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 1: jabbed himself with that sound billy down in Mississippi, maybe

1123
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 1: because it's still legal down there. So we so explain that. Yeah,

1124
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: but can you people aren't aware of this? Yeah, well,

1125
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: Fred like by people, I mean, I wasn't aware that

1126
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: that was that you can still use it as a

1127
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: fred into that as a promoter of conservation, which I

1128
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 1: salute you. By the way, we got all the important

1129
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 1: stuff done before the microphones are turned on. We salute you.

1130
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: We congratulate you, Steve Rinella, for promoting the sport that

1131
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: is the tip of our quality of life. Spear. You

1132
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: do a great job. It doesn't surprise me you come

1133
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: from Michigan because of the history and the passion that

1134
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 1: comes from those deer camps in Michigan. And I salute

1135
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 1: you and applaud you and appreciate your dedication because ultimately

1136
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: you promote conservation and hands on environmental air, soil and

1137
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 1: water upgrade through wildlife habitat, safeguarding and enhancement. That's what

1138
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: you've done. Thank you. That's what I do, and that's

1139
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: what Fred Bear thank me for. But when we're so,

1140
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 1: we'll talk about around the campfire to hear it from

1141
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: fred Bear promoting the use of I forget the term

1142
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: of that that poison powder, that he would take a

1143
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: balloon uh neck and pull it back and put a

1144
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: little this poison on the arrow. Because as all know,

1145
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: one of your best shows when you made a bad

1146
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: shot in that elk and those other guys found it.

1147
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: You can't hunt without making a bad shot unless well,

1148
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 1: then again, Mrs Nugent defies that she's never lost an

1149
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: animal because she waits for the shot, and so do we.

1150
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: But even when we wait for the shot, humans flinch. Well,

1151
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:03,600
Speaker 1: nothing hurts more well, outside of the loss of a

1152
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: loved one or the abusive power by people you vote

1153
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: to adhere to their constitutional oath. But equal to those

1154
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: heartbreaks when you make a bad shot, and sometimes it's

1155
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: it's it's treacherous trying to get over what two more

1156
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 1: inches to the left. I'd had him, and now I

1157
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 1: got a gutty arrow. And you can recover them if

1158
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: you wait most of the time. But when you don't,

1159
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 1: it's you can almost not get over it. You lose

1160
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 1: an animal. You just feel that's that reasoning predator thing.

1161
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 1: That cougar doesn't care. Weren't as many DearS. Possibly it

1162
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 1: doesn't give a shit, but you and I do give

1163
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 1: a shit. And so I've I've lost a great many

1164
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 1: I've lost because I haven't so much I've lost, you know,

1165
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: I haven't lost many. I didn't lose any of this

1166
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: last season. I made a couple of bad shots, but

1167
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: I recovered him. Um So to be around a campfire

1168
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: with the bow hunting guy, and he laments the pain

1169
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: in the acid losing an animal, And there's a system

1170
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,879
Speaker 1: by which you will never lose an animal. This poison,

1171
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 1: behind the little balloon neck, behind the broadhead. He was

1172
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: all for it, but the public perception of the bow

1173
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 1: hunting master indicating in any way that he might need

1174
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: poison or the broadhead isn't deadly? Is an image you'll

1175
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: never get over. I didn't know that. This is all

1176
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 1: news to me. I didn't know that Fred Bear. I

1177
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 1: didn't know this ever became a thing that Fred Bar

1178
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: was involved in, or that he got criticism for it. Oh.

1179
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: He he was the main promoter thereof Um, what was

1180
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: this going? In fact? Watch the Fred What what years

1181
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: was it that there was a discuss three sixty four?

1182
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: Watched the cape buffalo hunt on the Fred Bear films,

1183
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: And watch that arrow go in the narrator, that great narrator,

1184
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:07,560
Speaker 1: and at a forty yard shot you can see the

1185
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: arrow going. And Fred had put some talcum powder on

1186
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: the arrow so we get better. Witness the flight with

1187
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 1: poison and so you can make any kind of hit

1188
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: as long as you get it into the bloodstream. That

1189
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,600
Speaker 1: animals going to die. And did Fred Bear kill some

1190
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 1: cape buffalo without it? Yeah? Did he kill his elephant

1191
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: without it? Yeah? Uh? Did he kill a lot of

1192
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 1: stuff without it? Yet? But he wanted he wanted to

1193
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: eliminate losing game. Do you feel like there's a line

1194
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 1: for you between using something like poison and certain technologies

1195
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: that might increase kill rate? Well, there it's not really

1196
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: a fine line. I think it's a glaring chasm, which

1197
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 1: I don't know why they call it chasm. It should

1198
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 1: be chasim. I don't know any friends named Carly except Chasm.

1199
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: I go off on tan, which makes me interesting if

1200
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 1: nothing else, site pins, mechanical release, AIGs, um let off, cams,

1201
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 1: um sent reducing products. It's still your hands, your stealth,

1202
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 1: no matter what kind of upgraded advancement and hunting technology.

1203
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 1: It's still you, your brain, your stealth capabilities. Luck, huge luck.

1204
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 1: But it's shot placement, no matter how good. The Remington

1205
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 1: mushroom deadly is mushroom in the woods is so I

1206
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 1: gotta hit him right, I mean bull eut hit with

1207
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 1: a three forty weather be through the guts is still

1208
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 1: going to run off though. That's a pretty powerful route.

1209
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: I love that round because it seems like you're very

1210
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 1: much in tech kind of the raw. Organic technology is

1211
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 1: not taken that away. In technology is not taken away.

1212
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 1: That's why I don't I don't attribute traditional archery to

1213
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 1: somebody with an old fashioned bow. I am truly traditional.

1214
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: What is tradition applying ones maximum effort to a clean kill,

1215
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: and if you want pure archery. I think Mr left

1216
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: hand's got to grab the bow and Mr Right Hand's

1217
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 1: gonna have to knock that arrow and draw it back.

1218
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 1: It's as pure as is, but it's it enhances the

1219
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 1: deadliness of your endeavor, which is a moral um consideration. Uh.

1220
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,560
Speaker 1: I still shoot my recurves in my log bows. But

1221
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, Holy god, I couldn't miss

1222
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: squirrel running on a power line. Bang got him. I

1223
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 1: couldn't miss the purity of youth and the hand I purity.

1224
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 1: You see samurai guys, and you see Um Tim Wells

1225
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 1: often and some of the other guys, and Fred and

1226
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 1: Howard Howard Hill guy couldn't miss. So the guy that

1227
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: can't miss is he cheating? Should we ban him? Well,

1228
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: in Colorado, you can't use a scope on your rifle.

1229
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 1: Well you can with your muzzleoader. Well you can help

1230
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 1: with a muzzleloader, but not very accurately. We need to

1231
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: reduce your accuracy. How stupid is that? And in some

1232
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 1: states there where you couldn't use um lit pins. What

1233
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 1: if it's dark inside the blind but it's still legal

1234
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: shooting hours really, so you can hunt, but you but

1235
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,759
Speaker 1: you may have to make a bad hit. Because I'm

1236
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with this technology. Shut the fuck up. Um, you

1237
01:18:56,439 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 1: know you know what they're driving at. Yeah, they're driving efficacy.

1238
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 1: When we're talking upstairs, and you were like you were

1239
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,759
Speaker 1: hand gesturing the No matter what you've over the years,

1240
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: pins release whatever, You're like, I still hold this thing

1241
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,640
Speaker 1: in this hand. I pull it back. And then you

1242
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 1: made a rifle gesture or a or a crossbow gesture.

1243
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 1: So does that in your mind? What does that mean?

1244
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:27,440
Speaker 1: I wrote an extensive piece on it. Did I love crossbows?

1245
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: It was? I believe The title was I love crossbows,

1246
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: but not for me? Yep, And that summarizes it. Um.

1247
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: A bunch of my buddies hunt with crossbows for a

1248
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: number of reasons. It's it's easier get him in the

1249
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 1: woods more. I'm all for it. So far I'm with you,

1250
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 1: And then so many I can't draw my bow back

1251
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 1: because it's seventy pounds. I kill everything with fifty pounds.

1252
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: Shamaine kills everything with thirty pounds. Will Debes Zebra elk Kudu,

1253
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 1: dirty pound bow, and Hoyt of White Archery killed everything

1254
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: that walks the earth with a thirty five pound re

1255
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: curve shooting zoo wiki two blades and m A twos

1256
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: and bare razor heads, that knife broadhead. I've killed Kate

1257
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 1: Buffalo with sixty pounds using a two blade broadhead. You

1258
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 1: get in between the ribs and quite honestly, every almost

1259
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: everybody's overboard. If you're lifting your bow up, it's too

1260
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,719
Speaker 1: much drawway and you don't need it. It's stealth shot

1261
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 1: placement and the right broadhead. And I used rage, and

1262
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: I used the ship there the shank, and I use

1263
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 1: the schwacker, and I try them all. I'm always trying

1264
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 1: every broadhead, but I when I want to. When it

1265
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,480
Speaker 1: all comes down to it, the two blade is the deadliest.

1266
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 1: It cuts through everything. The point being is that if

1267
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: you want to use a crossbow, hell, I'll buy you

1268
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: one if it'll get you out in the woods and

1269
01:20:55,920 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 1: buy a license and enhance the the the economy because

1270
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna go food groceries, restaurants, gas, lodgings. You're probably

1271
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: gonna buy a food plot materials, so anything to get

1272
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 1: anything for recruitment and retention. I'm for this side of

1273
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 1: grenade launchers here. You know I'm not gonna I don't

1274
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 1: think you should necessarily go into a hurder deer with

1275
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: a rent a car. But do do you agree with

1276
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 1: archery only seasons? I believe that the statistics have proven

1277
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: that the human cry that the crossbow will reduce archery

1278
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: season opportunities has proven to be false. Um, So I believe,

1279
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 1: first of all, a crossbow is not a damn gun. Now,

1280
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: are there a hundred yard capable crossbows? Yes, there are,

1281
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: and all of them will blow up at some point.

1282
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not my hunch. I know all these guys,

1283
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 1: I know dozens of guys with archery shops and all

1284
01:21:55,439 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 1: these maniac high tension hundred yard crossbows. They will all

1285
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 1: blow up at some point because it's too much tension

1286
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 1: on the components, which again is fine to each his own.

1287
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: But crossbows shoot arrows, bolts, So it's it's it's not firearms.

1288
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:19,720
Speaker 1: There there are some of the old school I love

1289
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 1: some of them, some not so much. Um, well, it's

1290
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 1: a it's across gun. Really, I don't smell any gunpowder.

1291
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 1: It's not across gun. It's across bow. And I think

1292
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 1: technologically it dates pre longbows. If i'm maybe you would

1293
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: know that, I don't know that. Um, I think it

1294
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 1: pre dates longbows. That's I've seen that claim here and there,

1295
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 1: but meaningless. That's meaningless. It shoots an arrow, and people

1296
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:54,679
Speaker 1: that are trying those hundred yards shots are are learning

1297
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 1: they shouldn't because it's just not going to get there

1298
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 1: in time, even with a rifle. Every better be good

1299
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 1: at long range because that animals got to be calm.

1300
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 1: He can't know you're there, and you've got to be

1301
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 1: super accurate. But the real conflict comes from stags like

1302
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: Idaho love him, but they banned lighted knucks. Well, they

1303
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:23,799
Speaker 1: didn't allow lighted knocks from the get go and expandable broadheads.

1304
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 1: I know, so I lighted knock would be like, uh

1305
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 1: when when it's released off the string, the knock glows

1306
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 1: and flight. It helps you find your arrow, doesn't help

1307
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 1: you kill anything and mechanical. But the point is the

1308
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 1: mechanical broadhead is the most popular broadhead on the planet Earth.

1309
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: So you're telling all those hunters you're not welcome to Idaho.

1310
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 1: It can't have anything to do with killability. You can't

1311
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 1: have anything to do with ethics. I don't. It's just

1312
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 1: an arbitrary, punitive, stupid statement by some Elita's prick and

1313
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 1: I told him that when I did a speech out there,

1314
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 1: they wanted me to help them in legalized wolf und

1315
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 1: And I roamed the stage and I went, I'm so

1316
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 1: proud to be here, and I had a whole love

1317
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 1: Idaho wow rugged individuals of outdoorsmen that that mountain man

1318
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 1: is still alive. And well then I paused, and I said,

1319
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 1: why should I help you open a wolf season? I know,

1320
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 1: I know why you because they're they're they're hurting your

1321
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 1: big game herds. But why should I help you. I'm

1322
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 1: not even allowed you. You won't even let me hunt

1323
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 1: it here? And there was silence. I go, because I

1324
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:29,639
Speaker 1: have a lighted knock, You're not gonna let me hunt.

1325
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 1: My wife shoots a thirty pound bow kills everything that moves,

1326
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 1: but she's not welcome in your state. Well, I think

1327
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 1: it would be that her lighted knock is not I

1328
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 1: think know the lower poundies too, was against the law.

1329
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 1: And yeah, nonsense, the found I agree on the lighted

1330
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 1: knock thing. I agree on that I think anything that

1331
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: allows recovery should be allowed. But this conversation is not

1332
01:24:57,200 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 1: about lighted knocks or expandable broadheads. Right, We're talking about

1333
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 1: where where do you draw the line at regulation and

1334
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 1: where where is it appropriate? And and really we want

1335
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,799
Speaker 1: to know this from you. I think that delighted knocks,

1336
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:16,480
Speaker 1: in my experience, can give you a false, uh confirmation

1337
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: of impact. So when I'm judging that the arrows here

1338
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 1: and the knocks upstairs, just like when you're shooting at

1339
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 1: a target, right, you see the knock you don't see.

1340
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: So that's that's a personal reason of mine that would

1341
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: you outlaw them based on that? You know, I just

1342
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: don't really give a shit about that that much because

1343
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 1: let's let's say, let's say the lighted knock gives you

1344
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 1: a false impression of where the arrow hits. So does

1345
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:51,560
Speaker 1: a regular knock, yes, absolutely knocks. Yeah. But the but

1346
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,719
Speaker 1: the real issue is they're saying this is an archery season,

1347
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 1: which they have said, Okay, an archery season is a

1348
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: more traditional hunt. They're banning electronics. I mean, that's the thing.

1349
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 1: So that's not I don't think it's an issue. They

1350
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 1: sat down and debated. They said anything that's electronic that's

1351
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:13,639
Speaker 1: on a bow gives you advantage, or that's the assumption

1352
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 1: that gives you advantage. But nobody was in the room

1353
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 1: to challenge that's where I come yet? Okay, do you go? Okay,

1354
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. I also want to argue

1355
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 1: about c w D, but uh, we might have to argue.

1356
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, I gotta ask. Let's talk about this

1357
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: for second. I think Dr Fauci would like to be

1358
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: in on that conversation. Go ahead, I mean, do you

1359
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 1: have sympathies to the people that are are regulating a

1360
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: giant population? And it always defaults to um the weakest

1361
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 1: link in the chain, right if we don't have a

1362
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 1: thirty five pound minimum, is somebody going to pick up

1363
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: k our bow and a field point they're already doing

1364
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 1: in the field point, they're already doing that. Um. No,

1365
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 1: I have no sympathy form whatsoever. But do you like Okay,

1366
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 1: here's the thing. There's a couple things going on that

1367
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 1: that I that I want that you need to speak that.

1368
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 1: I'd like to get your opinion on one of the

1369
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: things you're doing when you control technology, when you control

1370
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:18,600
Speaker 1: the end like technology coming in, is your sort of

1371
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 1: stop thinking of it as fair like fair chase and

1372
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 1: think of it as um what was what the guy

1373
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 1: that proposed an alternative to talk about fair chase fair share? Okay,

1374
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 1: certain technologies are meant to just to control efficacy. So

1375
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 1: if someone were to come in and say, a state

1376
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 1: were to come in and say, we're not going to

1377
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 1: allow people to use drones two um for for hunting purposes,

1378
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 1: they might say, because right now we're operating on this

1379
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 1: thing where we have success rates with ELK, which means

1380
01:27:56,600 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 1: shiploads people can hunt. ELK can have the opportunity to hunt. Ok.

1381
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:04,480
Speaker 1: If technology were to come in and create a situation

1382
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 1: where success rates were so high, you're gonna have less

1383
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 1: and less opportunity for people to go out because we're like,

1384
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 1: if you're if you're gonna kill a hundred ELK and

1385
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 1: you have ten percent success rates, you're allowing people thousand

1386
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 1: individuals to hunt. If it winds up being that through

1387
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 1: the use of drones, thermal vision, let's say there's no limitation,

1388
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: so you can hunt at night, you can use thermal

1389
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 1: to hunt at night, you can scout with a drone.

1390
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 1: Uh no no no, no, no no no, And you

1391
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 1: wind up that success rates are now you got eleven

1392
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 1: guys that are gonna hunt, when it used to be no,

1393
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 1: you got guys or whatever. I lost track of my

1394
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: own metaphor but I think that there's there's looking at

1395
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 1: it like you're sort of trying to prescribe at X,

1396
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 1: which is so hard and confusing to do. You're trying

1397
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 1: to prescribe ethics, or you're looking at being like, how

1398
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: do we maintain a static situation that we've had for

1399
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 1: a long time without telling people things that they've historically

1400
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 1: done they can't do anymore, which is in my mind

1401
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 1: like where I always draw a line. I don't like

1402
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 1: to see people's traditional use practices interrupted. It winds up

1403
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 1: being that you have to look ahead and think about

1404
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 1: the impacts of technology. You used to not be able

1405
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 1: to hunt it, Knight because you couldn't see, well that

1406
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:36,560
Speaker 1: we've crossed that bridge, because all these assumptions and proposals

1407
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 1: and hypotheticals go all the way back to trajectory compensating

1408
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 1: scopes to uh let off compounds and well, we're gonna

1409
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:51,599
Speaker 1: ruin our archery season. We're gonna start losing opportunities. Since

1410
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: those hypotheticals were proposed, Not only haven't we reduced archery opportunities,

1411
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: they've continued to expand. And let's just talk about the

1412
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 1: elk form. Well, if I may, i'd like to be

1413
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 1: the tzar of hunting regulations, and I am on my land.

1414
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,720
Speaker 1: I'm sorry because I don't want to. I want to

1415
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 1: be able to do that, but nationally I should because

1416
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:16,839
Speaker 1: I think we I think if we got a room together,

1417
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:22,440
Speaker 1: we would not only have unif universal agreement on my proposals,

1418
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 1: but the person who would disagree with it would would

1419
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 1: present themselves as a slabbery and idiot. And I think

1420
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 1: the first proposal would shooting hours. You can only hunt

1421
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 1: when you see them, except for hogs or maybe other

1422
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 1: depredation consideration. Shooting our thing because they have, yes, weird daylight.

1423
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 1: Weird daylight, when can you see you even with waterfall?

1424
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 1: What should shooting hours be when you can see them?

1425
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 1: So I think we would get everybody in the room

1426
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 1: to agree that we're not going to open a night

1427
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 1: elk season. And if and if someone does propose that,

1428
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 1: that means you haven't provide had had enough tags to

1429
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 1: responsibly harvest the surplus, which is the condition in Colorado

1430
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,759
Speaker 1: in some areas, which is the condition in New Mexico

1431
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:13,640
Speaker 1: in some areas. We unfortunately, those who propose further restrictions

1432
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 1: are either lying or woefully unqualified to manage x herd

1433
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 1: or ex population. For example, I'm gonna go back to

1434
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 1: the conversation you were having earlier before we went back

1435
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 1: to our guests, um the mountain lion telemetry enough already

1436
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 1: they did was a halfbacker? Was that his name? Back

1437
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:40,799
Speaker 1: in the ninete fifties. Where do we need to study

1438
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 1: where mountain lions are anymore? They're under harvested. We need

1439
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:49,639
Speaker 1: to kill more mountain lions. And the methodology of hounds

1440
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 1: and and and heard identification mountain lion population identification is

1441
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 1: it's like a concluded it's all concluded. Colorado read those

1442
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 1: studies every day. So please doing don't charge my taxes

1443
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 1: for that, because I know U. S d A hunters

1444
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 1: that are slaughtering cougars and bears year round using hounds

1445
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 1: and bait. Where we, the people who own this resource,

1446
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 1: are not allowed to hunt in the spring or use

1447
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: hounds in bait. I dare anybody that that is a

1448
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: legitimate thing. But that's a state issue. California when they

1449
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 1: stopped when Colorado, when California band they used to kill

1450
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 1: about three d four hundred lions a year, Well now

1451
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 1: they pay the state to kill three four After we've

1452
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 1: compensated the alpaca ranchers, and after and after we relocated

1453
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:48,600
Speaker 1: them three times. I know the hunters, I know the

1454
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:51,519
Speaker 1: USDA hunters. Why is there a U. S d A hunting?

1455
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 1: Why does that exist? So they're they're allowed to clean

1456
01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 1: up the inadequacy of But yeah, but nobody wants to

1457
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 1: see Uncle Tad creeping in the basket off they why

1458
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 1: why would you have Okay, if it was on VHS,

1459
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 1: I'd watch it again, like you run the you run

1460
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 1: the risk of throwing out the baby with the bath water.

1461
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 1: So if we have us DA hunters, like we have,

1462
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 1: what's what's the it's a okay, like aphis Wildlife Services.

1463
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 1: They ran the new Tria eradication program at Chesapeake Bay. Okay,

1464
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 1: new Tria are not cougars. I know. But you said,

1465
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 1: why would we have U. S d A hunters? That's

1466
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 1: who did that. They do all kinds of Kyle work

1467
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 1: for sheet producers. Believe me, I know these guys. Yeah.

1468
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:40,839
Speaker 1: But the point it was just that it gets abused

1469
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:42,600
Speaker 1: now and then. But like again, man, I feel like

1470
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 1: you run the risk of like sort of trashing on

1471
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 1: the whole system because of certain areas of abuse that

1472
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 1: often aren't their fault, the coopering, It's never their fault.

1473
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:54,599
Speaker 1: The cougar thing is the fault of is the fault

1474
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 1: of stupid people of putting the cougar thing, is the

1475
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:01,640
Speaker 1: fault of having like state referendums where you put to

1476
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:08,080
Speaker 1: voters like idiotic wildlife management decisions, Michigan doves, Michigan sandhill crane,

1477
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 1: No doubt about it. Well, I would address it that

1478
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 1: that typically the between the media, the bureaucracies, and our

1479
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 1: own hunting organizations. Let's go right to the horror stories.

1480
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 1: Of horror stories, there are eight states in the United

1481
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:28,799
Speaker 1: States of America where we the people are not allowed

1482
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 1: to hunt during the rut on our farms on Sunday.

1483
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 1: Stare anybody. But that's the manifestation of that cultural dishonesty.

1484
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 1: But that's not elitism. That's very old like not being

1485
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 1: able to buy booze. You know you you should be

1486
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,680
Speaker 1: in you should be in church, like that's coming from

1487
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:57,120
Speaker 1: a completely different direction. But that's not like urban liberals.

1488
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 1: I think it is. Well exactly in Pennsylvania, it's the

1489
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 1: it's the agricultural community, that's the farmers. What we need.

1490
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 1: We need a day of rest, had at all spring

1491
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:11,759
Speaker 1: and summer to rest after dark arrest. But I consider

1492
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:17,160
Speaker 1: it indecent, I consider irresponsible, and same with minimum drawwaye

1493
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 1: and lighted knocks and expandable broadheads. It's not like it's

1494
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:24,080
Speaker 1: experimenting with expandable broadheads anymore. I mean, it's a deadly,

1495
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:28,720
Speaker 1: deadly tool that's been proven irrefutably conclusively. How dare you

1496
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:31,679
Speaker 1: ban all those people from your state? So the point,

1497
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:34,959
Speaker 1: the real point of this, is that the sporting families

1498
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 1: of this country, just like the voting families of this country,

1499
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:45,639
Speaker 1: are dangerously apathetic. They're not involved, they're not raping. When

1500
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 1: I did that speech in Idaho, I guarantee if we

1501
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:49,880
Speaker 1: took a vote in that room that night, they would

1502
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:54,000
Speaker 1: I legalized lighted knox and SSU, expandable broadheads and eliminating

1503
01:35:54,200 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 1: minimum drawways. This ties into the apathy, okay, Idaho until

1504
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 1: they really started screwing it up here in the last

1505
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 1: couple of years. Independent Phishing Game Commission. They are mandated

1506
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 1: two have a public process for every regulation change, and

1507
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 1: our guys don't show up to and our guys do

1508
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:19,799
Speaker 1: not show up to the process. I have spoken interviewed

1509
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:23,559
Speaker 1: Phishing Game commissioners on major rule changes where they've gotten

1510
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:29,519
Speaker 1: as low as six hunter survey's returned on things that

1511
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 1: people are screaming up and down about. But they will

1512
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:35,639
Speaker 1: not go online. They will not fill out the mailer

1513
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 1: that they're paying for through their license dollars and send

1514
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 1: it back in. I give you, Joey. That is a

1515
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:46,760
Speaker 1: direct result of of Americans that are so spoiled and

1516
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 1: so disengaged. Well, the point is, once you cast your vote,

1517
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 1: whether your person gets in or not, your job then

1518
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 1: begins to hold them accountable absolutely and due to a

1519
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:01,760
Speaker 1: ship job of it. No dodo dodo, dodo dodo. So

1520
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:06,200
Speaker 1: regarding regulations, Um, but I gotta hold off on sex,

1521
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:08,760
Speaker 1: like I gotta clarify thing, Like I feel like we're

1522
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 1: at risk confusing two issues here. What well, sorry expandable broadheads,

1523
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:20,519
Speaker 1: And like, let's say let's take the drawway thing. That's

1524
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 1: not them thinking it works too good. That's not them

1525
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 1: saying you can't use thermal vision to hunt ELK. That's

1526
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, we don't think it works good enough.

1527
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I feel. When you get into that,

1528
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 1: I'd be like, okay, if you don't think it works

1529
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:37,360
Speaker 1: good enough, and it's not that effective. I don't know that.

1530
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:41,559
Speaker 1: It's your business absolutely, like minimal people will probably find

1531
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:43,760
Speaker 1: out on their own. Like you could man, you could

1532
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:48,960
Speaker 1: also say it's illegal to be very loud while hunting

1533
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 1: because it just doesn't work. That's the point. So I like,

1534
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 1: I agree that, like that, like the draw length thing,

1535
01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 1: you're the draw sorry drawway, and one's dictating rout length.

1536
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 1: But I think there's an overall arrowweight. There's also an

1537
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:10,760
Speaker 1: overall um firearm weight. So minimum calibers in Africa three

1538
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:12,640
Speaker 1: seventy five is if I can't kill a lion with

1539
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 1: a seven mag I did so. Yeah, it's it's arbitrary,

1540
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 1: punitive and capricious, dictated by people who don't know. Some

1541
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 1: of these people dictating these policies wouldn't know a cock

1542
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:29,639
Speaker 1: pheasant from a terror dactyle. Just again, the worst example

1543
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 1: is Michigan ribis in the sky. How immoral of a regulation?

1544
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 1: Virtually immoral to kill a ribby in the sky and

1545
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 1: not to be allowed to eat it. Yeah, it's it's

1546
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 1: in let's tell people what they're what they're getting at

1547
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:48,639
Speaker 1: the Michigan has recovered popular like like most of the country,

1548
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:53,920
Speaker 1: like most like most of the country Western missip that's

1549
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:56,759
Speaker 1: who's declared recovered. Like they can a state level management

1550
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 1: of Saint okranes. So in Michigan they they do not

1551
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:04,120
Speaker 1: have a sandhill crane season. They give out depredation permits

1552
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:09,240
Speaker 1: for sandhill cranes. But they're trying to like they're trying

1553
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:12,760
Speaker 1: to control what your motivations are. Come now, that's what

1554
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:15,680
Speaker 1: they would do. Unbelievable that tell you. So you can

1555
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 1: get a depredation permit to kill a sandhill crane, but

1556
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 1: you doesn't eat it once you do, because if you

1557
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 1: eat it, it might be well did you kill it

1558
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:24,840
Speaker 1: to eat it or did you kill it because it

1559
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 1: was depredation. That is so a similar thing in Australia.

1560
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 1: My brain rejects the very premise. It's the It is

1561
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 1: a it is a migratory game bird. It is delicious.

1562
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:42,040
Speaker 1: It's known as ribby in the sky. Anybody who forbids

1563
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:45,320
Speaker 1: me to eat that is a bad person, is an

1564
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:50,439
Speaker 1: immoral person. If you support immorality, your immoral and the

1565
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 1: morning dove, well it's a songbird. No it's not. It's

1566
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:57,600
Speaker 1: the number one game hunted species on planet Earth. You

1567
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 1: can't call it a song bird. I told the guys

1568
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 1: that d and I said, your liars. We would hunt

1569
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 1: as kids. We would hunt morning doves in Michigan out

1570
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 1: of protest. I still do. We had. We would go

1571
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 1: up and down. Good for you if you're if you

1572
01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 1: live in the area and you're familiar with M one twenty,

1573
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:20,479
Speaker 1: we would work the power lines along M one twenty

1574
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 1: through twin light a, Michigan, and we would go in

1575
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:25,240
Speaker 1: the woods, find a morning dove, perchas on the power line,

1576
01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:27,679
Speaker 1: cleap up to the edge of shoot and we would

1577
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:30,639
Speaker 1: do it. And it was like completely encouraged and ordained

1578
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 1: by our father because he felt that it was an

1579
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:36,320
Speaker 1: act of civil disobedience. Beautiful because you could not hunt

1580
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:40,839
Speaker 1: mourning doves, beautiful the most harvested bird in America, harvested

1581
01:40:41,240 --> 01:40:43,920
Speaker 1: the most harvested game ail America. You were not allowed

1582
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:47,160
Speaker 1: to in Michigan because of I think it was like

1583
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:50,000
Speaker 1: some public referendum. Yes, because the public does. It was

1584
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:53,280
Speaker 1: a sign of love. It's just unbelievable, and that's why

1585
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:56,240
Speaker 1: I invited and still today you can hunt does in Michigan.

1586
01:40:56,280 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 1: I invited the Attorney General to my Michigan cabin and

1587
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:03,640
Speaker 1: I had boxes of shotgun shows on the table with

1588
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:07,880
Speaker 1: pictures of doves, a dove and quail load. And I'm

1589
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:10,280
Speaker 1: cooking up this nice slab of meat on the grill

1590
01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:14,439
Speaker 1: and it was a sandhill crane. And I go arrest me,

1591
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:17,720
Speaker 1: arrest me, and make the case to the jury that

1592
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm doing something bad and that this is a songbird

1593
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:26,479
Speaker 1: on the shotgun show box. I dare you so, I'm

1594
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm a hell raiser because I go with truth, logic,

1595
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 1: common sense, and science, which makes me radical instead of lies.

1596
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:37,840
Speaker 1: Said you. It's like the deer stuck in defense which

1597
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 1: I've come upon, or deer hit by cars. I've come

1598
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:43,479
Speaker 1: upon them all my life, and people are squawking and crying.

1599
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:44,840
Speaker 1: What do we do? What do we do? He gets

1600
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 1: the bag and shoot the deer in the head and

1601
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 1: take the wraps off. Everybody else want the backstraps because

1602
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:52,000
Speaker 1: if you don't, I'm taking them. That is so moral,

1603
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:56,679
Speaker 1: that is so righteous, it is so purely the correct

1604
01:41:56,760 --> 01:42:01,679
Speaker 1: thing to do, and it's against the law. I'm rosa parks.

1605
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:04,599
Speaker 1: That's a black ass, and that's a bus seat. I'm

1606
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:12,320
Speaker 1: sitting down, eat me c W d c W talking

1607
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:16,160
Speaker 1: about scams. Should I share I share your loathing. I

1608
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:20,519
Speaker 1: share your loathing of the animal rights world and animal

1609
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:24,680
Speaker 1: rights community. No, no, I don't think we're on the

1610
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:27,920
Speaker 1: same page on bureaucrats, okay, because there's a lot of stuff,

1611
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:30,160
Speaker 1: a lot of like, well, you're young, you'll you'll learn that.

1612
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 1: It's not like you can say if I hear the

1613
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:34,840
Speaker 1: word beercrat, like, oh, we're all supposed to agree that

1614
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 1: bereaucrats are bad, or we're all supposed to agree that

1615
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:40,639
Speaker 1: lobbyists are horrible. But uh, there's a lot of places,

1616
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:42,679
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that are lobbying on behalf

1617
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 1: of things that I think are good. They're very really

1618
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:47,600
Speaker 1: bad at it though, because you still can't hunt on

1619
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:49,680
Speaker 1: Sundays in h stage, So what are they lobbying for?

1620
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:52,760
Speaker 1: You still can't hunt cougars and bears? You just took

1621
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:55,519
Speaker 1: a step in the right direction. Who else Ventcilvania. They

1622
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:57,320
Speaker 1: a guy called me, he goes, hey, they gave us

1623
01:42:57,320 --> 01:43:01,519
Speaker 1: two sundays. They're not what do they give you the

1624
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:04,280
Speaker 1: right to eating bear arms? Well, I got constitutional carry.

1625
01:43:04,479 --> 01:43:07,639
Speaker 1: I was born with constitutional carry. I don't need government

1626
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:11,720
Speaker 1: paperwork for my god given rights. We've been brainwashed that

1627
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:14,559
Speaker 1: we're waiting for a handout from the bureaucrats. That's why

1628
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 1: I hate bureaucrats. Are there some good ones? I think four? Um?

1629
01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 1: But no, okay, but let's go to c w D.

1630
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:22,679
Speaker 1: I I want to I want to hit the beuacrat

1631
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:27,880
Speaker 1: appointment like I think that they're they're probably some um uh.

1632
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:31,040
Speaker 1: I feel that stranglehold is one of the best songs

1633
01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 1: ever ever done. I can hardly stand it. But when

1634
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:37,800
Speaker 1: I hear when I hear that someone has a radio

1635
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:41,519
Speaker 1: collar on a mountain line, I perk up because I

1636
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:45,599
Speaker 1: think that information is valuable. When you hear that someone's

1637
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:47,800
Speaker 1: got a radio connor mountain line, you might ask, like,

1638
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:50,280
Speaker 1: who's paying? It's gonna come around to bite me in

1639
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 1: the ass somehow, Yeah, I do, because there's it's just like, uh,

1640
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:59,280
Speaker 1: the grants are our tax dollars are raped in pillage

1641
01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:02,840
Speaker 1: by so called grants. And we already know everything we

1642
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 1: need to know about mountain lions. Now, if there was

1643
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:09,240
Speaker 1: any indication, any real indicator that there's a mountain lion

1644
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:12,800
Speaker 1: population anywhere that needed to be monitoring, I'd be the

1645
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:16,479
Speaker 1: first to make a donation for radio telemetry and finding

1646
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:20,559
Speaker 1: out what what benefit that for whatever reason, decreasing mountain

1647
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 1: lion population except guess what, there are no decreasing mountain

1648
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:27,680
Speaker 1: lion population and there haven't been. But what about I

1649
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 1: don't want to let's get a CD I was gonna say,

1650
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:32,439
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I want to have last word.

1651
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:36,360
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, telemetry data might tell us that

1652
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:40,000
Speaker 1: we have expanding an increasing mountain lion popular there already

1653
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:42,759
Speaker 1: has so cut it out, already saved the tax dollars.

1654
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:45,280
Speaker 1: Give me my money back. You want an everything about

1655
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:51,280
Speaker 1: mountain lions, call me, no charge mountain more sand amount

1656
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 1: bar George. Expect a call from a guy named Bart George,

1657
01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:57,600
Speaker 1: who at this moment has collars online out but he

1658
01:44:57,640 --> 01:45:00,559
Speaker 1: should pay for his own collay. The lions are bringing

1659
01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:05,080
Speaker 1: the wild to people who refuse to believe it's there, right,

1660
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:07,759
Speaker 1: Those are the mountain lions that are eating the outpack

1661
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 1: as coming into people's backyards, and and God love them

1662
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 1: for it. Like that's the real uncontrolled wild sandwiched on

1663
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:19,280
Speaker 1: the Alex Curtsy. Don't need radio telemetry to determine that

1664
01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:23,040
Speaker 1: these people watch the mountain lions cross their backyards. In Pennsylvania,

1665
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:27,160
Speaker 1: you need security cameras above your garage, and in Michigan

1666
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 1: they'll tell you there are no mountain lions foot in

1667
01:45:30,040 --> 01:45:33,519
Speaker 1: real It's a model line and it fail camera lion,

1668
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:36,840
Speaker 1: Son of a bitch c w Because I want to

1669
01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:38,880
Speaker 1: get to I want to talk about wolves. Love wolves,

1670
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:41,880
Speaker 1: love mountain lions, love them all, c w D. I

1671
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:44,840
Speaker 1: feel as though I feel as though we disagree on

1672
01:45:45,120 --> 01:45:49,720
Speaker 1: on this um. So I admit it exists. Okay, give

1673
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:53,559
Speaker 1: me your speel and like help let me. I'm gonna

1674
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:55,640
Speaker 1: start by the question. Let's say I went and got

1675
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:57,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of seats. This is something I used to

1676
01:45:57,080 --> 01:45:58,040
Speaker 1: want to do, but I feel like I get in

1677
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:00,559
Speaker 1: trouble for traveling around with it. I went and got

1678
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:05,639
Speaker 1: ten c w D positive deer, okay, And I made

1679
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:07,960
Speaker 1: a burger. I ground it all up, made a burger,

1680
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:10,760
Speaker 1: and I traveled here with it. And I made this

1681
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:12,880
Speaker 1: burger and fried it up in your kitchen and offered

1682
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:14,360
Speaker 1: you the burger. Would you eat it or not eat it?

1683
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:16,639
Speaker 1: I would eat it, you would eat it. Now I'll

1684
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:19,080
Speaker 1: talk because my rule is I'll only talk about c

1685
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:21,639
Speaker 1: w D with people who would eat the burger. Well,

1686
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 1: I only argue with c WBS people who would eat

1687
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:28,800
Speaker 1: the Burger, and I love your presumptuous uh scenario, because

1688
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:31,800
Speaker 1: good luck finding ten deer with c w D. They're

1689
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:35,080
Speaker 1: they're claiming they're looking for c w D, wasting our

1690
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:39,640
Speaker 1: tax dollars, wiping out entire herds in private ownership or

1691
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:42,760
Speaker 1: in in the wild, and they come across. Well, if

1692
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:46,439
Speaker 1: you are spending gazillions of dollars looking for something, here's

1693
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:48,519
Speaker 1: a little tip from the old guitar player, you're gonna

1694
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:52,679
Speaker 1: find it. Has any hunting seats since nineteen sixty seven

1695
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:56,679
Speaker 1: over there in Colorado, and they variation of crushed felt jacobs.

1696
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:59,160
Speaker 1: I understand what it is. And there's the scrapies that

1697
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:03,240
Speaker 1: really wiped out this sheep world in North America that

1698
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:06,559
Speaker 1: was bigger than the cattle world, um except for scrapies

1699
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:11,080
Speaker 1: coming in. I understand the origins. I understand the epidemiology.

1700
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:16,040
Speaker 1: There has been no dear season that has been reduced

1701
01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:20,800
Speaker 1: because of chronic wasting disease, but there have been dear

1702
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:24,479
Speaker 1: seasons reduced, which again I'm using the term dear season

1703
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:28,160
Speaker 1: to reference the vitality of a herd got it um

1704
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:32,080
Speaker 1: because as you as you regulate based on sustained yield

1705
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:39,200
Speaker 1: and opportunities to mitigate agriculture destruction, highway destruction, dangerous conditions,

1706
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:46,640
Speaker 1: other overpopulation maladies. Um, you've got other diseases like episodic

1707
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:51,640
Speaker 1: hemorrhagic disease that have wiped out that great numbers. And

1708
01:47:53,120 --> 01:47:56,080
Speaker 1: was what what state was it? Last year? North Dakota

1709
01:47:56,200 --> 01:48:02,040
Speaker 1: had go because because refund But that was the h

1710
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:04,360
Speaker 1: D and w D has never happened with the w D.

1711
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:08,560
Speaker 1: I know it exists, but there's no evidence exists. And

1712
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:11,880
Speaker 1: even though they go not trying to find it that

1713
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:17,880
Speaker 1: the chronic wasting disease in servage is transmissible to humans

1714
01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:22,640
Speaker 1: or cattle or dogs or sheep. So there there's a

1715
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 1: then that goes my back my hatred for bureaucracies. The

1716
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 1: bureaucracies have ran with the what if, the but the

1717
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:34,400
Speaker 1: what if it's super scary? Didn't but didn't, but but

1718
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:39,040
Speaker 1: then what if we're super scary? Just think of Ted

1719
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:42,040
Speaker 1: opened up with his machine gun downtown. It ain't happen.

1720
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:50,000
Speaker 1: But unless I can run into a bunch of recidimistic assholes, imagine,

1721
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:57,760
Speaker 1: I want to do you think it's a thread, He's

1722
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:04,400
Speaker 1: like got his knife out a finger nail. Okay, I

1723
01:49:04,520 --> 01:49:07,160
Speaker 1: have a nuanced perspective about this, and it's so nuanced.

1724
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:09,479
Speaker 1: It's got me in trouble with with a very dear

1725
01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:13,920
Speaker 1: friend of mine, who's the friend who's well, this got

1726
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:16,840
Speaker 1: me in trouble, Doug, because I have a friend who

1727
01:49:17,120 --> 01:49:20,599
Speaker 1: is listen like c w D ground zero where he's

1728
01:49:20,600 --> 01:49:23,439
Speaker 1: in southwestern Wisconsin. Okay, yeah, so it's a pretty calm

1729
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:27,000
Speaker 1: for him. Two neighbors his place to have to be like,

1730
01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:29,800
Speaker 1: there's a dear dying of c w D. They have

1731
01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:31,800
Speaker 1: a shipload of deer on the ground. He's not gonna

1732
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:33,519
Speaker 1: argue they got a lot of deer on the ground

1733
01:49:34,240 --> 01:49:36,840
Speaker 1: he has. I mean that they have a lot of

1734
01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:40,799
Speaker 1: living in extremely high density appeared and they're currently killing

1735
01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:46,439
Speaker 1: a lot of deer and they're killing big because I

1736
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:48,720
Speaker 1: know it came to a peak about eight years ago. Well,

1737
01:49:48,760 --> 01:49:54,439
Speaker 1: they still just give me one second. So your buddy

1738
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:58,240
Speaker 1: is like hysterical about c w H. In other words,

1739
01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:00,800
Speaker 1: he just misses it like much like I do. No,

1740
01:50:01,160 --> 01:50:02,720
Speaker 1: let me just give me a second, okay, because I'm

1741
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:05,000
Speaker 1: trying to lay out like various ways of approaching cw D,

1742
01:50:05,080 --> 01:50:06,400
Speaker 1: and I want to get to where I approach it.

1743
01:50:06,439 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 1: I want to get to how I approach it, and

1744
01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:10,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to get to how you approach it. So

1745
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:18,080
Speaker 1: his concern, he's concerned that about two things. He's concerned

1746
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:20,680
Speaker 1: about the idea of human transmission. And if you're and

1747
01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 1: if like that idea doesn't bother you, it's probably because

1748
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:25,920
Speaker 1: you don't like to eat dear meat. Okay, if it

1749
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:28,560
Speaker 1: doesn't like worry you, except that it doesn't bother me.

1750
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:30,479
Speaker 1: And that's all I do is eat dear meat. Ok

1751
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:34,280
Speaker 1: So we'll hold you there. His concern is that he

1752
01:50:34,479 --> 01:50:36,840
Speaker 1: feels that you would hit a point where there's a

1753
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:41,840
Speaker 1: population level impact. Now when I have gone and I've

1754
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:45,000
Speaker 1: said and it has gotten got mean text messages from it.

1755
01:50:45,080 --> 01:50:47,439
Speaker 1: This even prompted us to find there's an app you

1756
01:50:47,479 --> 01:50:50,360
Speaker 1: can get that makes your text messages not sound agitated.

1757
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:53,800
Speaker 1: I will never implement, And it was a joke that

1758
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:57,559
Speaker 1: that Doug needs to get this app. He was upset

1759
01:50:57,640 --> 01:51:01,360
Speaker 1: with me one time for saying, um that if if

1760
01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:05,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't for the human transmission possibility, I wouldn't be

1761
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:09,280
Speaker 1: sitting around fretting about it. And he's like, well, what

1762
01:51:09,439 --> 01:51:13,080
Speaker 1: about population level impacts? So you got to take it like,

1763
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:16,640
Speaker 1: here's a person that's very schooled and lives it on

1764
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:19,960
Speaker 1: his family farm, like lives CWD on his family farm,

1765
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:23,599
Speaker 1: and is very concerned about He hates the what if

1766
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:28,080
Speaker 1: scenario about human transmission, and he's concerned about disease and

1767
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:30,080
Speaker 1: dear because he likes see healthy hurts, so he has

1768
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:32,280
Speaker 1: concerned about long term impacts and what the like this

1769
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:36,599
Speaker 1: outrageous prevalence is gonna mean that they confirmed numerous cases

1770
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:39,840
Speaker 1: on his ground, many many on his ground, and they're

1771
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 1: they're only increasing and increasing. Like he can go tell

1772
01:51:42,479 --> 01:51:44,960
Speaker 1: you every year, how many he's sent in, how many posities,

1773
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:47,400
Speaker 1: how many sent it? How many positives? Like when when

1774
01:51:47,479 --> 01:51:50,240
Speaker 1: the numbers, the numbers that he's sending in, does he

1775
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:52,960
Speaker 1: have tags to kill more? Dear? So he's sending in

1776
01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:54,800
Speaker 1: more than the average hunter that kills one or two

1777
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:58,559
Speaker 1: a year. He you know, I I I can't answer

1778
01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:00,840
Speaker 1: that specifically. Cow might be able too. But he has

1779
01:52:01,160 --> 01:52:03,640
Speaker 1: very detailed records of what he's submitted and what his

1780
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:05,439
Speaker 1: results are been. And for a long time he was

1781
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:08,160
Speaker 1: watching it all around him, and then recently it's started

1782
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:12,479
Speaker 1: to be that he's getting multiple This year, he's getting

1783
01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:14,880
Speaker 1: deer on his place to come back positive. He doesn't

1784
01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:17,800
Speaker 1: like that ship. The big change ted is not so

1785
01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:21,160
Speaker 1: much Doug himself, but the program that he's running on

1786
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:25,840
Speaker 1: the farm. Used to be pretty restrictive group wise, harvest wise,

1787
01:52:26,280 --> 01:52:31,200
Speaker 1: very much, and now greater harvest and and more hunters involved.

1788
01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:33,800
Speaker 1: To Doug used to like, I hate to be talking.

1789
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:35,679
Speaker 1: I wish you Doug was here. I love you, Doug.

1790
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:38,479
Speaker 1: Well he would play the guitar with you and a

1791
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:44,080
Speaker 1: heart I should have so. So Doug's worry about the dogs.

1792
01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:46,639
Speaker 1: It's his family farm has been in his family since

1793
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:51,719
Speaker 1: I don't you know, hundred years. Um, He's like, hates

1794
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:53,800
Speaker 1: to see this ship, okay, like he hates to see

1795
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:55,720
Speaker 1: the disease. He's worried about what's gonna mean for the

1796
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:58,240
Speaker 1: future deer season. He remembers being a kid and you

1797
01:52:58,280 --> 01:53:00,160
Speaker 1: would run home and tell your mom dad if saw

1798
01:53:00,160 --> 01:53:03,479
Speaker 1: a deer track. Shame with me in Michigan. And he

1799
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:05,840
Speaker 1: loves deer. He I mean, the guy has the most

1800
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:09,040
Speaker 1: legitimate claim in the world to love and dear love

1801
01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:12,439
Speaker 1: and deer hunting, loving the land. He's worried, sick about CWT.

1802
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:14,600
Speaker 1: Huge part of our quality of life, no doubt about it.

1803
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:19,120
Speaker 1: So he he like I disappointed him by expressing that

1804
01:53:19,479 --> 01:53:24,519
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about the population level impact, primarily because

1805
01:53:25,400 --> 01:53:27,840
Speaker 1: it seems that these places that have c w D

1806
01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:32,080
Speaker 1: are magically also the places that have shiploads of deer.

1807
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 1: So I'm not in the future enough to see where

1808
01:53:35,160 --> 01:53:37,080
Speaker 1: it plays out that we get to the point of

1809
01:53:37,200 --> 01:53:40,280
Speaker 1: having that we lose dear herds because of prevalence. But

1810
01:53:40,479 --> 01:53:43,200
Speaker 1: it's not to me in my view, it's not unreasonable

1811
01:53:43,240 --> 01:53:46,519
Speaker 1: to think that if you want up with with always

1812
01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:50,040
Speaker 1: fatal disease, that every time a deer gets it, it

1813
01:53:50,120 --> 01:53:54,680
Speaker 1: dies from it um and you had somehow magically we

1814
01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:57,440
Speaker 1: got to some point where we had one percent transmission

1815
01:53:57,760 --> 01:54:01,080
Speaker 1: or one infection rates, that I would be like, is

1816
01:54:01,160 --> 01:54:03,360
Speaker 1: that what does that mean for the dear population? Let

1817
01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:06,040
Speaker 1: me let me inject here for a moment that you

1818
01:54:06,200 --> 01:54:08,200
Speaker 1: claim and I hear the claim all the time, and

1819
01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:15,160
Speaker 1: I dismiss it that it's it's fatal. The vast majority

1820
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:19,320
Speaker 1: is it is it of them that have been discovered

1821
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:21,840
Speaker 1: to have c w D. C w D didn't kill him,

1822
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:26,360
Speaker 1: somebody else killed him. And God knows how many we've

1823
01:54:26,479 --> 01:54:30,640
Speaker 1: killed and eaten that do have that, and many I

1824
01:54:31,720 --> 01:54:34,440
Speaker 1: kill hundreds every year, and I don't check them for

1825
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:36,280
Speaker 1: seat up. And I have a high fence in Michigan,

1826
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:38,240
Speaker 1: so we have to turn in heads and we haven't

1827
01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:41,760
Speaker 1: had any at all, uh positive c w D. But

1828
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:45,800
Speaker 1: here's I gotta comment on that. There's too many instances,

1829
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:49,440
Speaker 1: particularly in Wisconsin, where the DNR comes in and confiscates

1830
01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:51,680
Speaker 1: a deer head and it's tested positive. Well, let me

1831
01:54:51,680 --> 01:54:55,000
Speaker 1: see the results. No, just tested positive. Let me see

1832
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:58,960
Speaker 1: the results. Dr Fauci. Why why won't you share the

1833
01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:01,680
Speaker 1: evidence with the p Why won't you share the evidence

1834
01:55:01,720 --> 01:55:06,880
Speaker 1: with the deer farmer? They just arbitrarily decrease something trust

1835
01:55:07,600 --> 01:55:10,880
Speaker 1: with verification there there. The history of the c w

1836
01:55:11,160 --> 01:55:15,760
Speaker 1: D conflict is rife with examples of where the bureaucrats

1837
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:18,000
Speaker 1: may claim. For example, here in Texas, Texas products of

1838
01:55:18,040 --> 01:55:22,240
Speaker 1: wildlife have killed eighties six thousand deer for looking for

1839
01:55:22,360 --> 01:55:25,560
Speaker 1: c w D. So who's the biggest threat to Texas

1840
01:55:25,640 --> 01:55:28,680
Speaker 1: deer herd c w D or the state? The state

1841
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:32,920
Speaker 1: is the biggest threat. Yeah, those are the conflicts that exist.

1842
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:36,320
Speaker 1: And to your point, and I suspect I represent a

1843
01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:39,280
Speaker 1: spirit in this room, and I often say it when

1844
01:55:39,320 --> 01:55:41,480
Speaker 1: I recover a deer on spirit of the wild television.

1845
01:55:42,360 --> 01:55:45,800
Speaker 1: What would our lives be without this critter? What a

1846
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:49,200
Speaker 1: huge part of our lives. It's not our kids, and

1847
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:52,320
Speaker 1: that's not our spouse, and it's not our job, but

1848
01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:55,840
Speaker 1: close what it represents to us as a as a

1849
01:55:56,400 --> 01:56:00,840
Speaker 1: as a as a as a living thing, as as

1850
01:56:00,920 --> 01:56:09,320
Speaker 1: a source of our whether literal or historical food, clothing, shelter, medicine, tools, weapons,

1851
01:56:09,640 --> 01:56:14,640
Speaker 1: but mostly something that happens when you approach that dead animal.

1852
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:21,400
Speaker 1: And it's almost like uh a Disney movie, like uh,

1853
01:56:22,600 --> 01:56:27,320
Speaker 1: Spirit World. It's so moving. Did you killed this thing?

1854
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:29,720
Speaker 1: But you didn't really kill it. You accepted it because

1855
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:33,000
Speaker 1: you dedicated yourself to to kill it cleanly. It's more

1856
01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:35,960
Speaker 1: of a gift than an accomplishment, I think, am I

1857
01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:40,720
Speaker 1: speaking for you guys. It's it's moving. That's why often

1858
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:43,120
Speaker 1: also expressed, and I suspect you guys do as well.

1859
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:49,240
Speaker 1: Pity the human population that has never felt this. I

1860
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:53,280
Speaker 1: I and I'm going to expand and thank you for

1861
01:56:53,360 --> 01:56:57,880
Speaker 1: allowing me. But we taught God, family, country, God given

1862
01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:02,200
Speaker 1: individual freedoms, safe street, the neighborhoods, law and order. But

1863
01:57:03,600 --> 01:57:07,000
Speaker 1: we in the year two, for all the advancements and

1864
01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:10,360
Speaker 1: all the concrete and all the electricity. We're living the

1865
01:57:10,480 --> 01:57:16,400
Speaker 1: original primal scream when we go out there, even before

1866
01:57:16,440 --> 01:57:18,680
Speaker 1: we kill it. But then when we finally kill it,

1867
01:57:19,480 --> 01:57:22,200
Speaker 1: it's it can be if you approach it with the

1868
01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:26,040
Speaker 1: right attitude. And that's where Fred Baer comes in. Pursuing

1869
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:31,160
Speaker 1: game with the right attitude, um will cleanse the soul.

1870
01:57:32,120 --> 01:57:34,400
Speaker 1: There really is no world. I made a joke earlier.

1871
01:57:34,440 --> 01:57:36,920
Speaker 1: It's not a joke. But when we're out there and

1872
01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:39,120
Speaker 1: we come to full draw, there is no Joe Biden.

1873
01:57:39,200 --> 01:57:42,200
Speaker 1: Joe Biden represents the real evil force, he said, just

1874
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:48,680
Speaker 1: a bad bad man, a power abusing criminal, both violating,

1875
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:51,680
Speaker 1: bad bad man. I'd ask you more about that, but

1876
01:57:51,880 --> 01:58:00,280
Speaker 1: that's but but yeah, but believe that a criticism him

1877
01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:03,280
Speaker 1: in his intersection with C W D would be welcome.

1878
01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:08,680
Speaker 1: It is because because he represents the most abusive of bureaucracies.

1879
01:58:09,320 --> 01:58:12,240
Speaker 1: And I think that when you look at all the

1880
01:58:12,600 --> 01:58:16,560
Speaker 1: money wasted studying it and looking forward and killing all

1881
01:58:16,640 --> 01:58:22,520
Speaker 1: these herds, and and that that more wasteful money. That's

1882
01:58:22,520 --> 01:58:27,480
Speaker 1: another bureaucratic condemnation. But what but where has heard a

1883
01:58:27,560 --> 01:58:31,120
Speaker 1: dear heard? I can't point to a spot, and but

1884
01:58:31,240 --> 01:58:33,680
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't know anybody that is pointing

1885
01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:35,600
Speaker 1: to a spot it could have changed right now. Like

1886
01:58:35,720 --> 01:58:38,560
Speaker 1: there could be areas maybe cal could speak in on this.

1887
01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:41,520
Speaker 1: There may be areas where there has been a population

1888
01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:45,400
Speaker 1: level impact. My understanding is generally it is a what

1889
01:58:45,800 --> 01:58:49,560
Speaker 1: if scenario. I hate those what I don't like This

1890
01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:53,360
Speaker 1: reason the reason I want to spend money on studying

1891
01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:57,600
Speaker 1: c w D as I am acutely and very personally

1892
01:58:58,440 --> 01:59:02,360
Speaker 1: concerned about what it would mean for my lifestyle if

1893
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:08,839
Speaker 1: it turned out that there were people contracting a prion

1894
01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:12,360
Speaker 1: disease from eating infected dear me. Like of all the

1895
01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:15,000
Speaker 1: ship the government does, of all the ship they spend

1896
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:17,840
Speaker 1: money on UM, and I'm not gonna stop that. I

1897
01:59:17,920 --> 01:59:19,800
Speaker 1: would like a little bit of that money to go

1898
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:23,080
Speaker 1: towards answering a question that I'm very interested in. But

1899
01:59:23,480 --> 01:59:26,200
Speaker 1: we've and I'm very interested in that question. That scares

1900
01:59:26,240 --> 01:59:28,360
Speaker 1: the ship out of me. It doesn't scare me at

1901
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:30,840
Speaker 1: all because of all the money they've already spent and

1902
01:59:30,920 --> 01:59:34,840
Speaker 1: they haven't found the relationship. UM. They even have people

1903
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:38,480
Speaker 1: who went to a fire department fundraiser and they had

1904
01:59:38,520 --> 01:59:41,720
Speaker 1: a hundred of them in eighties. Some submitted they've been

1905
01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:45,240
Speaker 1: testing those people for ten years. I know those studies,

1906
01:59:45,480 --> 01:59:49,080
Speaker 1: and again they ate or some ship like that ching

1907
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:54,560
Speaker 1: ching ching, just torch our tax dollars, which is all

1908
01:59:54,640 --> 01:59:59,920
Speaker 1: the government really does. Yeah, but but here's my a guy, like,

1909
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:01,960
Speaker 1: it's not out of the question though, because stuff like

1910
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:07,960
Speaker 1: that has happened before. Here's my question though. There's the

1911
02:00:08,080 --> 02:00:12,840
Speaker 1: question Wisconsin, c w D. Right, you turn in your

1912
02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:17,280
Speaker 1: your head or your or your lymph nodes and they say, yep,

1913
02:00:17,560 --> 02:00:20,600
Speaker 1: you have a positive test result. And you say, well,

1914
02:00:20,640 --> 02:00:23,160
Speaker 1: show me the test results. What what do you mean

1915
02:00:24,520 --> 02:00:27,360
Speaker 1: and and what would you do with those? Do you

1916
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:29,160
Speaker 1: just want to see like I would like to get

1917
02:00:29,160 --> 02:00:31,640
Speaker 1: a confirmation that they're not lying to me, because they're

1918
02:00:31,680 --> 02:00:33,720
Speaker 1: so good at lying to me. I mean, what you

1919
02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:36,000
Speaker 1: call when you call a morning dove a song bird,

1920
02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:38,720
Speaker 1: that's a lie. When you say you can't eat a

1921
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:41,600
Speaker 1: rib by in the sky, that's just immoral. So they're

1922
02:00:41,680 --> 02:00:45,600
Speaker 1: capable of runaway lies. How about what a perfect setting

1923
02:00:46,120 --> 02:00:50,120
Speaker 1: in March of two that we're discussing c w D

1924
02:00:50,760 --> 02:00:56,640
Speaker 1: in the whirlwind scam of masks and and a vaccine

1925
02:00:56,760 --> 02:01:00,720
Speaker 1: that isn't a vaccine, but vaccine stage you from stuff.

1926
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:04,320
Speaker 1: This experimental shot jeopardizes you. But you can be mad

1927
02:01:04,400 --> 02:01:07,800
Speaker 1: about but it's you could be mad about COVID shutdowns,

1928
02:01:08,120 --> 02:01:10,240
Speaker 1: and I'm mad. I was mad at everybody about COVID

1929
02:01:10,240 --> 02:01:14,200
Speaker 1: shutdown that matter than me. Steve was a pouting pouting

1930
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:20,400
Speaker 1: for two years. I didn't pot dismissed it. But the

1931
02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:25,240
Speaker 1: question how does that become? How does that become? Like

1932
02:01:25,480 --> 02:01:27,400
Speaker 1: you could be mad about COVID, But how does that

1933
02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:32,400
Speaker 1: become you don't want information about We've got the information.

1934
02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:35,960
Speaker 1: We already got it. We's been around since nineteen sixties seven.

1935
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:39,120
Speaker 1: I graduated high school in nineteen sixty seven. All they

1936
02:01:39,160 --> 02:01:42,160
Speaker 1: do is keep burning tax dollars and coming up with

1937
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:46,080
Speaker 1: the same stuff. I really believe that the c w

1938
02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:52,320
Speaker 1: D scam doesn't exist. Yes, does the weaponize Wuhan virus exists? Yes,

1939
02:01:52,520 --> 02:01:55,880
Speaker 1: we paid for it. How dare we pay for the

1940
02:01:56,000 --> 02:02:00,920
Speaker 1: communist Chinese the weaponization of a virus? If that doesn't

1941
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:03,720
Speaker 1: scare the living ship out of you that our bureaucrats

1942
02:02:03,960 --> 02:02:08,120
Speaker 1: and our government is capable of that that treason, then

1943
02:02:08,160 --> 02:02:11,480
Speaker 1: how can you possibly trust those in charge of CWD

1944
02:02:12,040 --> 02:02:15,800
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars? How about this Colorado five million dollar

1945
02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:18,360
Speaker 1: grant for someone to come up with a system by

1946
02:02:18,400 --> 02:02:22,240
Speaker 1: which we can mitigate human and bearer conflicts. Are you

1947
02:02:22,480 --> 02:02:27,880
Speaker 1: fucking kidding me? I'm gonna get tyro Wango Tango, and

1948
02:02:28,040 --> 02:02:35,480
Speaker 1: I can fix it opened the season and use hounds

1949
02:02:35,560 --> 02:02:38,560
Speaker 1: in bait and don't bury them in holes in the

1950
02:02:38,680 --> 02:02:41,800
Speaker 1: ground anymore by hiring the U. S D a hunter,

1951
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:44,240
Speaker 1: which by Buddy would be piste off if he ended it,

1952
02:02:44,360 --> 02:02:47,840
Speaker 1: because he's living the dream at our expense, because it's

1953
02:02:47,960 --> 02:02:54,240
Speaker 1: immoral what they're doing. I believe that the glaring inescapable

1954
02:02:54,600 --> 02:02:59,560
Speaker 1: evidence for us to distrust bureaucrats has never been more profound,

1955
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:02,480
Speaker 1: and it is right now, And I'm afraid after studying

1956
02:03:02,520 --> 02:03:04,960
Speaker 1: it as extensively as I have, and I suspect you

1957
02:03:05,160 --> 02:03:08,440
Speaker 1: as well. I respect your studies and I respect your concerns,

1958
02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:13,560
Speaker 1: but the jury is not still out. The jury is in,

1959
02:03:14,160 --> 02:03:18,120
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna get krutz Felt jacobs from chronic

1960
02:03:18,200 --> 02:03:21,720
Speaker 1: wasting disease positive animals and will never know because we're

1961
02:03:21,800 --> 02:03:25,760
Speaker 1: killing them and eating them. And how many examples are there?

1962
02:03:26,760 --> 02:03:29,000
Speaker 1: Can you count them on one hand where they've actually

1963
02:03:29,440 --> 02:03:32,800
Speaker 1: witnessed a deer with the c w D symptoms and

1964
02:03:33,040 --> 02:03:36,160
Speaker 1: went and killed that one to test it has there

1965
02:03:36,240 --> 02:03:38,320
Speaker 1: been ten of them, twenty of them, hundred of them.

1966
02:03:38,360 --> 02:03:45,240
Speaker 1: I would say probably thousands a thousand examples. So my

1967
02:03:45,440 --> 02:03:49,960
Speaker 1: point is is that the bureaucrats mankind given a hint

1968
02:03:50,040 --> 02:03:55,000
Speaker 1: of power, they will abuse it. And I believe c

1969
02:03:55,280 --> 02:03:57,160
Speaker 1: W DAY as a manifest c w D as a

1970
02:03:57,240 --> 02:04:01,320
Speaker 1: manifestation of that right in line with this whole weaponized

1971
02:04:01,400 --> 02:04:05,600
Speaker 1: WOU hand virus. It's not a vaccine. And hydroxa chloric

1972
02:04:05,680 --> 02:04:08,920
Speaker 1: quin and iver mecton is a treatment that has been

1973
02:04:09,080 --> 02:04:13,400
Speaker 1: incredibly successful. And I ton I person hydrox chloric quin

1974
02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:16,160
Speaker 1: and iver mecton, put him on a ventilator. You're guilty

1975
02:04:16,320 --> 02:04:19,680
Speaker 1: of murder. Well, my buddy Dirt thinks if you take

1976
02:04:19,720 --> 02:04:22,000
Speaker 1: a brass rod and rub it around in your nostril,

1977
02:04:22,040 --> 02:04:24,960
Speaker 1: it beats code. I'm not mad at I'm not mad

1978
02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:38,120
Speaker 1: about him. Now kl's up on c w D. You

1979
02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:41,800
Speaker 1: do have the ability to see the results, like you right,

1980
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:43,960
Speaker 1: you pull the tiresol glands out, you can you can

1981
02:04:44,240 --> 02:04:46,720
Speaker 1: go do independent testing that they have it. But now

1982
02:04:46,840 --> 02:04:50,000
Speaker 1: what Yeah, but the it, like you said it like

1983
02:04:50,200 --> 02:04:52,720
Speaker 1: it does exist. And the fact of the matter is

1984
02:04:53,080 --> 02:04:56,480
Speaker 1: is like it came from somewhere. This is knowledge. Do

1985
02:04:56,600 --> 02:04:59,080
Speaker 1: you believe you're in our experience of pretty experienced. But

1986
02:04:59,160 --> 02:05:02,600
Speaker 1: this is how things hampfray. You take a biological thing

1987
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:05,360
Speaker 1: and you put it in another biological thing, You shake

1988
02:05:05,400 --> 02:05:08,640
Speaker 1: it up, you pour that cocktail out, and eventually that

1989
02:05:08,760 --> 02:05:14,640
Speaker 1: cocktail changes the The discovery in sixty seven in Colorado, UM,

1990
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:21,360
Speaker 1: I don't believe was the initiation of the condition. I

1991
02:05:21,400 --> 02:05:23,760
Speaker 1: don't think that's when it started. I think they found

1992
02:05:23,840 --> 02:05:27,760
Speaker 1: it then, even though we the Colorado Division of Wildlife

1993
02:05:27,840 --> 02:05:30,160
Speaker 1: or whatever it was called at the time. UM, there

1994
02:05:30,360 --> 02:05:32,840
Speaker 1: is an awful lot of evidence that they manipulated the

1995
02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:36,840
Speaker 1: conditions and actually injected deer with uh scrapies. Now, I

1996
02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:39,640
Speaker 1: don't know if, in all fairness, man, you see that

1997
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:43,000
Speaker 1: as being when it was first identified the same way

1998
02:05:43,080 --> 02:05:46,640
Speaker 1: like lime disease was first identified the Lime Connecticut, right

1999
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:51,280
Speaker 1: like that, No one says it was created, maybe someone does,

2000
02:05:51,800 --> 02:05:56,160
Speaker 1: in all fairness, it was identified there, right, And so

2001
02:05:56,640 --> 02:05:59,520
Speaker 1: since then since ninety seven, again that's a long ast

2002
02:05:59,560 --> 02:06:03,800
Speaker 1: time I've done. All that was a research facility, yep. Yeah,

2003
02:06:04,280 --> 02:06:06,720
Speaker 1: government bureaucrats, what are they doing? What are you? Why

2004
02:06:06,720 --> 02:06:09,880
Speaker 1: are you doing that? UM? That goes to the telemetry

2005
02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:12,720
Speaker 1: stuff and again, I'm all for that original telemetry because,

2006
02:06:13,320 --> 02:06:16,400
Speaker 1: um are whether it's passenger pigeons, so I don't think

2007
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:19,920
Speaker 1: we we killed them. That was a colonization bird. That

2008
02:06:20,280 --> 02:06:23,200
Speaker 1: there's virus spread. Don't you wish you were around for

2009
02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:29,000
Speaker 1: passenger pigeons? Funny, Um, I believe me. I make up

2010
02:06:29,040 --> 02:06:37,520
Speaker 1: for it with starlings and yeah. But anyhow, UM, I'm

2011
02:06:37,600 --> 02:06:41,560
Speaker 1: at the point in my life after being engaged and

2012
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:46,400
Speaker 1: being in the swirling dust of the arena, UM that

2013
02:06:46,760 --> 02:06:49,680
Speaker 1: I am sitting here today with all the confidence in

2014
02:06:49,720 --> 02:06:57,640
Speaker 1: the world. I'm sure you recognize government virtually untrustworthy. Virtually

2015
02:06:57,720 --> 02:07:00,640
Speaker 1: I can give you examples in every stage where what

2016
02:07:00,760 --> 02:07:06,120
Speaker 1: they do is virtually proven to be immoral, dishonest, and

2017
02:07:06,360 --> 02:07:13,640
Speaker 1: counter to science. In our conservation lifestyle, population dynamics, habitat

2018
02:07:13,720 --> 02:07:19,400
Speaker 1: carrying capacity, sustained yield, productivity, that's not mysterious. The jury

2019
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:21,720
Speaker 1: is not still out on that. And again when we

2020
02:07:21,840 --> 02:07:25,240
Speaker 1: initiated manage land dear permits in Texas prior to the

2021
02:07:25,320 --> 02:07:28,760
Speaker 1: initiation of that policy, where landowners determine our own bag limit,

2022
02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:31,960
Speaker 1: because somebody downtown certainly doesn't know what my dear heard

2023
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:34,560
Speaker 1: looks like. They don't know what kind of environment patrol,

2024
02:07:34,640 --> 02:07:37,040
Speaker 1: what kind of supplemental food plots I put in leap

2025
02:07:37,760 --> 02:07:42,120
Speaker 1: leave me alone? And in so many Exotics and Texas

2026
02:07:42,200 --> 02:07:47,320
Speaker 1: the flourishing condition of access deer which are hands off

2027
02:07:47,440 --> 02:07:52,520
Speaker 1: by any government agency. Landowners are the best stewards of

2028
02:07:52,640 --> 02:07:55,120
Speaker 1: such condition. And I believe that that would exist in

2029
02:07:55,240 --> 02:08:00,560
Speaker 1: every state if we could get past the blind edience

2030
02:08:01,080 --> 02:08:04,720
Speaker 1: from the brainwashing since World War Two, where people go, well,

2031
02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:07,240
Speaker 1: I don't have a gun permit. You don't need a

2032
02:08:07,280 --> 02:08:08,600
Speaker 1: gun permit. Do you have a Do you have a

2033
02:08:08,640 --> 02:08:11,160
Speaker 1: First Amendment permit? Is there a building where you don't

2034
02:08:11,160 --> 02:08:13,080
Speaker 1: have a first Is there a place? And is there

2035
02:08:13,120 --> 02:08:14,840
Speaker 1: a piece of ground in America? You don't have a

2036
02:08:15,280 --> 02:08:17,640
Speaker 1: First Amendment? No, you have a First Amendment. You were

2037
02:08:17,680 --> 02:08:21,839
Speaker 1: born with it. I don't need paperwork. Same for Second Amendment.

2038
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:24,040
Speaker 1: But when I say that publicly, go well, you don't

2039
02:08:24,040 --> 02:08:26,240
Speaker 1: think everybody should have a gun? I go, know, everybody

2040
02:08:26,320 --> 02:08:28,360
Speaker 1: will never have a gun. But I don't believe that

2041
02:08:28,480 --> 02:08:31,560
Speaker 1: rapists and murders and carjackers and stabbers and shooters and

2042
02:08:31,680 --> 02:08:34,600
Speaker 1: child molesters should ever be let out of the cage.

2043
02:08:34,920 --> 02:08:36,760
Speaker 1: And if you stop let them out of the cage,

2044
02:08:36,840 --> 02:08:39,920
Speaker 1: by the very function of our failed court system. We

2045
02:08:39,960 --> 02:08:44,160
Speaker 1: would reduce violent crime by not my number, the FBI

2046
02:08:44,280 --> 02:08:48,600
Speaker 1: uniform crime report number. All this exploding violent crime, it's engineered.

2047
02:08:49,640 --> 02:08:53,000
Speaker 1: It's a direct result of their intentions. Well, it's gun crime, No,

2048
02:08:53,120 --> 02:08:54,960
Speaker 1: it's not. It's a guy who shot people. You add

2049
02:08:54,960 --> 02:08:56,480
Speaker 1: in a cage, you let him out. What do you

2050
02:08:56,520 --> 02:08:59,920
Speaker 1: think he's gonna do? It doesn't matter. Availabilit Where do

2051
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:03,120
Speaker 1: at the gun? I don't know where can't you get

2052
02:09:03,160 --> 02:09:07,920
Speaker 1: a gun? The regulated harvest, though, is the thing that

2053
02:09:08,520 --> 02:09:10,760
Speaker 1: intrigues me. I got a little sister who's a cop,

2054
02:09:10,800 --> 02:09:13,480
Speaker 1: who's married to cop in in Denver. And I can

2055
02:09:13,560 --> 02:09:17,400
Speaker 1: talk the other stuff a bunch too. But what I'm

2056
02:09:17,440 --> 02:09:22,880
Speaker 1: saying hits home for you. Oh absolutely, and I'll yeah anyway, Um,

2057
02:09:24,400 --> 02:09:28,480
Speaker 1: regulated harvest here on the spirit of the wild ranch

2058
02:09:29,240 --> 02:09:32,080
Speaker 1: is or let's call it Texas because my system is

2059
02:09:32,320 --> 02:09:35,840
Speaker 1: widespread private property. Yeah, but you don't. You have a

2060
02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:38,720
Speaker 1: fence around this place, and animals can't get out of

2061
02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:42,120
Speaker 1: right or come into right by law. Right. So that's

2062
02:09:42,160 --> 02:09:45,480
Speaker 1: because we have exotics, right. So you have a different

2063
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:50,320
Speaker 1: system here. Note there are mld with no fences. Large

2064
02:09:50,560 --> 02:09:54,240
Speaker 1: landowners didn't know their habitat no fence. And again, believe

2065
02:09:54,280 --> 02:09:56,600
Speaker 1: me when I tell you, And it's hard to comprehend

2066
02:09:56,680 --> 02:10:01,320
Speaker 1: for Montana and wild Alaska hunters, believe me. I hunted

2067
02:10:01,400 --> 02:10:04,000
Speaker 1: no fence in Alaska, and I hunted no fence and

2068
02:10:04,280 --> 02:10:08,080
Speaker 1: all across Canada, in Montana, Wyoma, in Colorado. You know what,

2069
02:10:09,320 --> 02:10:15,240
Speaker 1: defence plays zero role. It's ex habitat that will support

2070
02:10:15,680 --> 02:10:21,000
Speaker 1: X productivity. The same exists in the Mannistee National Forest.

2071
02:10:22,080 --> 02:10:24,120
Speaker 1: Now can they go further to get away? But how

2072
02:10:24,200 --> 02:10:27,120
Speaker 1: far can you shoot your bowl? The fence plays no

2073
02:10:27,400 --> 02:10:31,720
Speaker 1: role whatsoever in the harvest. What does? What role doesn't play?

2074
02:10:32,520 --> 02:10:37,320
Speaker 1: It keeps exotics from running into bureau um. What it

2075
02:10:37,400 --> 02:10:39,720
Speaker 1: does is it allows me to not shoot that three

2076
02:10:39,800 --> 02:10:42,240
Speaker 1: year old and that the neighbor won't shoot that three

2077
02:10:42,360 --> 02:10:44,960
Speaker 1: or That was the foundation of high fence hunting? Is that?

2078
02:10:46,440 --> 02:10:49,720
Speaker 1: And and I'm all I My first deer killed November

2079
02:10:51,480 --> 02:10:54,640
Speaker 1: was a huge button buck. I took it to the taxidermist.

2080
02:10:54,720 --> 02:10:56,520
Speaker 1: I go, yeah, my first killing goes you're in the

2081
02:10:56,600 --> 02:10:59,880
Speaker 1: mouth this, I go, yeah, it's a buck. Feel it's

2082
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:04,960
Speaker 1: on the it's on the wall, that's how that's how you. Yes,

2083
02:11:05,040 --> 02:11:08,400
Speaker 1: it's on my cabin, my cabin wallchan in Michigan. And

2084
02:11:08,440 --> 02:11:10,440
Speaker 1: you know what's next to it a yearlyan dough that

2085
02:11:10,560 --> 02:11:14,160
Speaker 1: was my first bowl kill. If that's not the purest

2086
02:11:15,360 --> 02:11:18,920
Speaker 1: trophy celebration available to us, I don't know what would be.

2087
02:11:19,280 --> 02:11:23,280
Speaker 1: I'll get back to harvest. You gotta dig in on this, Yeah,

2088
02:11:23,440 --> 02:11:26,920
Speaker 1: so I mean it has I'll agree with you that

2089
02:11:27,080 --> 02:11:29,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't have anything to do with with the harvest.

2090
02:11:29,120 --> 02:11:32,040
Speaker 1: But you also, like set up your aquarium walls, so

2091
02:11:32,200 --> 02:11:35,040
Speaker 1: to speak, you have an area of operation to which

2092
02:11:35,160 --> 02:11:40,520
Speaker 1: you are god, the captain of your own. But I'm

2093
02:11:40,560 --> 02:11:45,840
Speaker 1: also got on my acre Michigan swamp no fence, same there.

2094
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:48,920
Speaker 1: There is nothing I do on this high fence that

2095
02:11:49,080 --> 02:11:52,760
Speaker 1: I am not mandated to do on the no fence.

2096
02:11:54,480 --> 02:11:58,480
Speaker 1: Nothing changes but for regulated harvest on your tepen acres,

2097
02:11:59,040 --> 02:12:02,080
Speaker 1: Like you decide one day that just shoot every buck

2098
02:12:02,120 --> 02:12:04,640
Speaker 1: that came through prior to the red Can't do that,

2099
02:12:05,720 --> 02:12:10,320
Speaker 1: shouldn't do that, could right that those animals aren't gonna

2100
02:12:10,360 --> 02:12:14,480
Speaker 1: then well your travel and and this connects to CWD.

2101
02:12:15,320 --> 02:12:18,600
Speaker 1: Oh we're talking about regulated high US now obviously, but

2102
02:12:18,720 --> 02:12:21,640
Speaker 1: it's reference, it's it's it's it's reference to that though,

2103
02:12:21,920 --> 02:12:25,920
Speaker 1: because in where c w D is the most dangerous

2104
02:12:25,960 --> 02:12:30,800
Speaker 1: possibility is in under harvested herds. And you could see

2105
02:12:30,840 --> 02:12:33,640
Speaker 1: that almost in every instance I think where they're the uh,

2106
02:12:34,240 --> 02:12:40,200
Speaker 1: the population is, if not out of control, certainly overpopulated.

2107
02:12:40,800 --> 02:12:46,280
Speaker 1: That being said, in Michigan, I harass the D and

2108
02:12:46,440 --> 02:12:49,560
Speaker 1: R bureaucrats because they love a slaughtered deer on the

2109
02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:54,280
Speaker 1: roads and no corn grows, no beans grow, their deer everywhere.

2110
02:12:54,520 --> 02:13:00,240
Speaker 1: I got four tagsres Well, that's your responsible and who

2111
02:13:00,320 --> 02:13:04,160
Speaker 1: can dictate that I let the public on my land? Nobody?

2112
02:13:05,040 --> 02:13:07,360
Speaker 1: So I pushed and pushed and I brought him. I

2113
02:13:07,400 --> 02:13:09,200
Speaker 1: almost had a graham by the aigle. Come you got

2114
02:13:09,280 --> 02:13:11,960
Speaker 1: you look at it? Where's the corn? Come over here?

2115
02:13:12,200 --> 02:13:14,600
Speaker 1: You know, like like a school kid for you know,

2116
02:13:14,720 --> 02:13:18,560
Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes? Um, And I said I need a hundred

2117
02:13:18,600 --> 02:13:21,280
Speaker 1: dough tags. Well you can't do that, And I go,

2118
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:25,320
Speaker 1: you can't not do that, And they ran into a

2119
02:13:25,400 --> 02:13:27,760
Speaker 1: dead end brick wall of a we the people guy,

2120
02:13:28,160 --> 02:13:34,360
Speaker 1: living science versus their presumptive regulations, Like in order to

2121
02:13:34,400 --> 02:13:38,160
Speaker 1: properly manage your property, you needed to remove that that

2122
02:13:38,320 --> 02:13:41,720
Speaker 1: many doughs, and I do you the only had to

2123
02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:44,879
Speaker 1: do it right, That's what? Okay, but but they resisted.

2124
02:13:44,960 --> 02:13:46,640
Speaker 1: They resisted. I go, well, that's great, I'll do it.

2125
02:13:47,120 --> 02:13:49,280
Speaker 1: By the way, we're filming this, and they offered me

2126
02:13:49,360 --> 02:13:56,400
Speaker 1: three dough tags. There's no corn. He gobbled everything up there.

2127
02:13:56,440 --> 02:14:01,000
Speaker 1: You can see the brows line. I'm harder than them,

2128
02:14:02,280 --> 02:14:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm I'm more knowledgeable than them. So I harassed him.

2129
02:14:07,400 --> 02:14:09,400
Speaker 1: I said, I'll be sure to do a ted Nugent

2130
02:14:09,600 --> 02:14:11,880
Speaker 1: Spirit of the Wild TV show and show you your

2131
02:14:11,920 --> 02:14:16,960
Speaker 1: immorality and that you you you disdain the sciences, sustained

2132
02:14:17,000 --> 02:14:18,720
Speaker 1: yield and have that Karen Cabet, there will be a

2133
02:14:18,760 --> 02:14:21,680
Speaker 1: great show. What's your name again? I'll make sure feature

2134
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:26,640
Speaker 1: you and I um and I got at the time.

2135
02:14:26,680 --> 02:14:30,800
Speaker 1: The governor was a was a good guy, and I said,

2136
02:14:30,880 --> 02:14:33,760
Speaker 1: this is what's going on. I said, they're anti hunting,

2137
02:14:33,800 --> 02:14:39,080
Speaker 1: their anti nature, they're anti healthy environment, they're anti freedom.

2138
02:14:39,440 --> 02:14:41,560
Speaker 1: So I finally got my dough tags, and I'm able

2139
02:14:41,600 --> 02:14:44,480
Speaker 1: to harvest a lot of doughs now because I do

2140
02:14:44,680 --> 02:14:47,280
Speaker 1: have a hunting family. Were able to take enough bucks.

2141
02:14:47,600 --> 02:14:50,760
Speaker 1: But does it really matter whether Shamaine shoots too and

2142
02:14:50,840 --> 02:14:54,520
Speaker 1: Toby shoots too and Rockell shoots too, or or we

2143
02:14:54,640 --> 02:14:59,160
Speaker 1: just harvest ten But do you do you disagree with

2144
02:14:59,320 --> 02:15:04,560
Speaker 1: sort of the like the foundational American principle that wildlife

2145
02:15:04,680 --> 02:15:09,160
Speaker 1: belongs to the American people. Absolutely, I'm one of those.

2146
02:15:09,640 --> 02:15:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm one of those people. Yeah. Absolutely, So here's one

2147
02:15:12,760 --> 02:15:15,040
Speaker 1: for you. So on a high fence by law in

2148
02:15:15,160 --> 02:15:17,960
Speaker 1: Texas and wherever you find him. Uh, you have to

2149
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:20,120
Speaker 1: happen because you have the exotics. And even though the

2150
02:15:20,160 --> 02:15:22,400
Speaker 1: floods come and the fences come down, and next thing

2151
02:15:22,440 --> 02:15:24,400
Speaker 1: you know, there's a kudu down down, which I think

2152
02:15:24,520 --> 02:15:27,440
Speaker 1: is awesome. Um or the zebras around and that was

2153
02:15:27,480 --> 02:15:30,320
Speaker 1: a couple of years. Yes, it's awesome. Who doesn't want

2154
02:15:30,360 --> 02:15:32,600
Speaker 1: to kill a zebra on opening day of deer season?

2155
02:15:33,440 --> 02:15:35,720
Speaker 1: By the way, they're delicious. And there's a whole another

2156
02:15:35,760 --> 02:15:39,440
Speaker 1: subject to be scrutinized. When I post pictures of zebras

2157
02:15:39,440 --> 02:15:42,200
Speaker 1: and kudu and elephants. People, well, I could see hunting

2158
02:15:42,280 --> 02:15:44,680
Speaker 1: for food, but not just to kill stuff. I go,

2159
02:15:45,760 --> 02:15:49,440
Speaker 1: give me the name of somebody that does that. Share

2160
02:15:49,520 --> 02:15:51,960
Speaker 1: with us your last experience with someone who just kills

2161
02:15:51,960 --> 02:15:55,760
Speaker 1: stuff to kill stuff? What's got a name? Person doesn't

2162
02:15:55,760 --> 02:15:57,920
Speaker 1: exist unless they let him out of jail for doing that,

2163
02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:02,080
Speaker 1: and they go, why would anybody shoot a zebra, it's

2164
02:16:02,200 --> 02:16:06,440
Speaker 1: it's deer with stripes. It's delicious, it's a it's the

2165
02:16:06,680 --> 02:16:11,440
Speaker 1: there there food on the hoof. But I stage controversy

2166
02:16:11,480 --> 02:16:16,480
Speaker 1: outside connotation with whackam stack hum doesn't lead people to

2167
02:16:16,720 --> 02:16:21,560
Speaker 1: the plate. Do you really do you think? Do you

2168
02:16:21,720 --> 02:16:24,120
Speaker 1: think the guy in the tie at the Safari Club

2169
02:16:24,200 --> 02:16:28,160
Speaker 1: International Banquet that says, you know, we need to harvest

2170
02:16:28,240 --> 02:16:32,040
Speaker 1: inadequate supply avaentable talking like that, do you think he's

2171
02:16:32,040 --> 02:16:34,959
Speaker 1: ever inspired any young person to ever buy a hunting license?

2172
02:16:35,120 --> 02:16:39,439
Speaker 1: Because my excitement level with whackingham stacking has cost thousands

2173
02:16:39,480 --> 02:16:43,200
Speaker 1: of young people to put down the crack pipe and arrow.

2174
02:16:43,280 --> 02:16:45,680
Speaker 1: And so I just missed that out of hand. You

2175
02:16:45,840 --> 02:16:49,640
Speaker 1: couldn't be more wrong. It's exactly what my excitement level

2176
02:16:49,720 --> 02:16:52,280
Speaker 1: does with fun terms like whack them and stack them.

2177
02:16:54,280 --> 02:16:56,360
Speaker 1: He was the back let me just say intense defense

2178
02:16:56,400 --> 02:17:03,040
Speaker 1: from the VHS. He talked about backstraps, backstrap fever. I mean,

2179
02:17:03,160 --> 02:17:05,520
Speaker 1: he was the original guy that was talking about food.

2180
02:17:05,600 --> 02:17:07,840
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that. I mean, it's not the original

2181
02:17:07,879 --> 02:17:09,560
Speaker 1: guy that talked about food. But you hear what I'm saying,

2182
02:17:10,360 --> 02:17:15,920
Speaker 1: ted uh Um. I remember someone expressing something similar to uh,

2183
02:17:16,680 --> 02:17:18,960
Speaker 1: I wish I coud remember it's a famous quote expressing

2184
02:17:19,040 --> 02:17:21,080
Speaker 1: something similar to what Ted expressed is he was like,

2185
02:17:21,560 --> 02:17:26,440
Speaker 1: without great love, there can not be disappointment, okay, or

2186
02:17:26,800 --> 02:17:30,600
Speaker 1: some things such as that. Right, So I like Ted

2187
02:17:30,720 --> 02:17:32,880
Speaker 1: occupying the position you occupied. I remember one time, I

2188
02:17:32,920 --> 02:17:34,400
Speaker 1: don't want to name who said this. I remember one

2189
02:17:34,440 --> 02:17:37,880
Speaker 1: time someone being like grossly disappointed with Nugent because they

2190
02:17:37,920 --> 02:17:40,240
Speaker 1: were watching the Spirit of the Wild and it was

2191
02:17:40,280 --> 02:17:43,480
Speaker 1: a date stamp and Ted was hunting in Texas on

2192
02:17:43,560 --> 02:17:48,000
Speaker 1: October one, and they were infuriated that how could the

2193
02:17:48,120 --> 02:17:52,880
Speaker 1: motor city man man? Uh, how could he? That's Michigan's

2194
02:17:52,959 --> 02:17:56,120
Speaker 1: opening day of deer seasons. Why would Ted not be

2195
02:17:56,240 --> 02:17:59,720
Speaker 1: in Michigan? And he was like, I'm tired of he's

2196
02:18:00,000 --> 02:18:02,480
Speaker 1: It's our opening day and he's in Texas? Like you

2197
02:18:03,040 --> 02:18:10,199
Speaker 1: like you can't win, Patty, patty, petty, just saying you've occupied,

2198
02:18:10,360 --> 02:18:13,680
Speaker 1: You've occupied that thing. Now to say to to say

2199
02:18:13,840 --> 02:18:16,520
Speaker 1: something like and I can I see how it's received

2200
02:18:16,840 --> 02:18:18,879
Speaker 1: to throw out like whack them and stack them. At

2201
02:18:18,959 --> 02:18:21,240
Speaker 1: least people be like what is getting whacked and where

2202
02:18:21,360 --> 02:18:24,160
Speaker 1: is it getting stacked? Do you have you ever in

2203
02:18:24,280 --> 02:18:27,760
Speaker 1: your life? Later late in bed and thought, you know,

2204
02:18:28,640 --> 02:18:30,640
Speaker 1: I stand by what I was saying, but I should

2205
02:18:30,640 --> 02:18:36,200
Speaker 1: have said it differently. Never if I if I need

2206
02:18:36,280 --> 02:18:38,840
Speaker 1: to explain what whack and stack means, I'm gonna call

2207
02:18:38,959 --> 02:18:45,480
Speaker 1: N one and get you some fucking help. Um. You

2208
02:18:45,520 --> 02:18:48,080
Speaker 1: know what the most, the most, the thing that shook

2209
02:18:48,120 --> 02:18:50,600
Speaker 1: me up the most is when you pointed out catching

2210
02:18:50,600 --> 02:18:52,400
Speaker 1: the limit of blue girls, because yeah, you stay until

2211
02:18:52,400 --> 02:18:57,040
Speaker 1: you get your limit, you stack, yeah, you know, and

2212
02:18:57,160 --> 02:19:00,200
Speaker 1: that and and to go back and smell the it's

2213
02:19:00,200 --> 02:19:02,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of historical revision to go back to

2214
02:19:02,800 --> 02:19:08,400
Speaker 1: the nineties and and and criticize a statement because back

2215
02:19:08,480 --> 02:19:10,760
Speaker 1: then when he was when he was in trouble with

2216
02:19:10,879 --> 02:19:13,560
Speaker 1: my friend for missing mission. You know, I'm just saying,

2217
02:19:13,640 --> 02:19:17,400
Speaker 1: i'm i'm i'm I'm defending the Whackham and Stackham statement

2218
02:19:17,520 --> 02:19:22,040
Speaker 1: because today, in a world where you know, maybe the

2219
02:19:22,120 --> 02:19:24,640
Speaker 1: more you know it would be, you wouldn't say that

2220
02:19:24,760 --> 02:19:29,840
Speaker 1: as much in some circles. Okay, he was coming out

2221
02:19:29,879 --> 02:19:33,879
Speaker 1: of a time when we were trying to make hunting

2222
02:19:34,360 --> 02:19:38,160
Speaker 1: relevant and fun and exciting, and it introduced that, so

2223
02:19:38,440 --> 02:19:41,760
Speaker 1: it accomplished I would say, a pretty significant purpose during

2224
02:19:41,800 --> 02:19:45,600
Speaker 1: that time. There's kinds of things I see in the

2225
02:19:45,720 --> 02:19:48,000
Speaker 1: hunting worlds all kinds of things I see like I

2226
02:19:48,080 --> 02:19:50,560
Speaker 1: see it, and I'm like, I agree with it. I've

2227
02:19:50,640 --> 02:19:53,640
Speaker 1: done it too. Um, there's nothing to be ashamed of.

2228
02:19:53,760 --> 02:19:57,880
Speaker 1: But now they're just like just just come on, alright,

2229
02:19:58,000 --> 02:20:00,720
Speaker 1: let's put about like just think for a minute about

2230
02:20:00,720 --> 02:20:04,560
Speaker 1: the ram the possible ramifications of of like what you're

2231
02:20:04,560 --> 02:20:07,280
Speaker 1: doing right, Like to have that got a bear, I'm

2232
02:20:07,320 --> 02:20:09,560
Speaker 1: gonna put a baseball hat on him. I'm gonna set

2233
02:20:09,640 --> 02:20:11,280
Speaker 1: him up in the car seat, and I'm gona put

2234
02:20:11,280 --> 02:20:13,880
Speaker 1: a cigarette in his mouth. Right, the bear is dead.

2235
02:20:14,280 --> 02:20:16,400
Speaker 1: The bear is dead. You killed the bear. Legally, you're

2236
02:20:16,400 --> 02:20:19,720
Speaker 1: allowed to transport the bear. I wouldn't question any I like,

2237
02:20:19,879 --> 02:20:23,600
Speaker 1: I support everyone's right to hunt bears. You know where

2238
02:20:23,680 --> 02:20:25,920
Speaker 1: we have a population that that warrant that that can

2239
02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:30,160
Speaker 1: support honey, which I support your ability to transport your

2240
02:20:30,200 --> 02:20:32,800
Speaker 1: wildlife as you see fit, top your car, back your

2241
02:20:32,840 --> 02:20:35,520
Speaker 1: car on the hood. I support. I don't think there

2242
02:20:35,520 --> 02:20:37,440
Speaker 1: should be a law saying one shouldn't put a bear

2243
02:20:38,320 --> 02:20:40,320
Speaker 1: in a thing. If someone said there's a law against

2244
02:20:40,440 --> 02:20:43,080
Speaker 1: dressing dead bears up, I would be very incredulous of

2245
02:20:43,160 --> 02:20:45,840
Speaker 1: like how you're gonna enforce that what exactly it means.

2246
02:20:47,600 --> 02:20:50,280
Speaker 1: But does that mean that it's smart to put a

2247
02:20:50,400 --> 02:20:52,680
Speaker 1: baseball hat on a bear and a cigarette in his

2248
02:20:52,760 --> 02:20:54,880
Speaker 1: mouth to drive around downtown. I believe that it's so

2249
02:20:55,000 --> 02:20:59,240
Speaker 1: inconsequ so inconsequential that we're wasting our breath discussion, and

2250
02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:02,520
Speaker 1: that's a that's a totally valid point. But I do

2251
02:21:02,760 --> 02:21:06,360
Speaker 1: look now. Then I'm like, among my own brothers and sisters,

2252
02:21:06,480 --> 02:21:09,800
Speaker 1: I looked now, and then I'm like, man, it's just creating,

2253
02:21:09,959 --> 02:21:14,119
Speaker 1: Like it's just creating problems where there aren't any. You're

2254
02:21:14,200 --> 02:21:17,120
Speaker 1: creating a dialogue that isn't necessary to create about whether

2255
02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:18,400
Speaker 1: or not you should be able to put hats on

2256
02:21:18,480 --> 02:21:20,040
Speaker 1: bears and cigarette in the mouth. You know, if you

2257
02:21:20,120 --> 02:21:22,400
Speaker 1: look at the industry now, you watch all the different shows,

2258
02:21:22,440 --> 02:21:25,400
Speaker 1: whether it's pig Man or Tim Wells or or fred

2259
02:21:25,440 --> 02:21:29,120
Speaker 1: Eichler or some of my favorite shows, and you see

2260
02:21:29,160 --> 02:21:34,080
Speaker 1: the ads by huge hunting corporations whack them and stack them,

2261
02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:38,879
Speaker 1: educated them that they better have energy, they better promote

2262
02:21:38,920 --> 02:21:42,480
Speaker 1: this sport with energy and enthusiasm and fun, because if

2263
02:21:42,520 --> 02:21:46,879
Speaker 1: it's not fun, ain't nobody gonna go. And I epitomize

2264
02:21:46,920 --> 02:21:51,439
Speaker 1: that if if, if you may that I've never been inhibited.

2265
02:21:51,920 --> 02:21:54,600
Speaker 1: I have fun with it. What is the difference between

2266
02:21:54,720 --> 02:22:00,640
Speaker 1: whacking and stacking and harvesting and butchering? Period? And you

2267
02:22:00,640 --> 02:22:04,640
Speaker 1: already gained your double middle face? And how petty can

2268
02:22:04,720 --> 02:22:08,960
Speaker 1: you be? And it's the same embarrassing depth of pettiness

2269
02:22:09,040 --> 02:22:11,400
Speaker 1: that I was. Why wasn't ten noogion in Michigan and

2270
02:22:11,480 --> 02:22:16,960
Speaker 1: October one? Oh shut the fuck up, listen. That was

2271
02:22:17,080 --> 02:22:19,360
Speaker 1: my response at the time. That was my response at

2272
02:22:19,400 --> 02:22:21,800
Speaker 1: the time, And it's become something of a joke. However,

2273
02:22:22,480 --> 02:22:24,520
Speaker 1: I was just pointing out, Hey, I was setting the

2274
02:22:24,640 --> 02:22:27,400
Speaker 1: stage to be that a person in your situation is

2275
02:22:27,480 --> 02:22:30,959
Speaker 1: just inherently gonna have people pecking at you. Let her

2276
02:22:31,080 --> 02:22:35,480
Speaker 1: rip peck away it again, I'll try to summarize it

2277
02:22:35,560 --> 02:22:42,480
Speaker 1: like this, and it's it's conclusive and the definition of summary.

2278
02:22:44,040 --> 02:22:49,400
Speaker 1: Families with terminally ill sons and daughters five six seven

2279
02:22:49,480 --> 02:22:52,760
Speaker 1: year old little boys and girls. For whatever reason, I

2280
02:22:52,840 --> 02:22:55,760
Speaker 1: think I know the reasons, because of my enthusiasm, because

2281
02:22:55,840 --> 02:22:57,720
Speaker 1: of my energy on spirit of the while for thirty

2282
02:22:57,840 --> 02:23:04,760
Speaker 1: three years I've been doing this. That little boy making

2283
02:23:04,920 --> 02:23:07,640
Speaker 1: Lynn six years old, going to die of cancer in

2284
02:23:07,720 --> 02:23:10,360
Speaker 1: six months his last week question in life was to

2285
02:23:10,400 --> 02:23:15,640
Speaker 1: go hunt with Ted Nugent. So guys that are more polite,

2286
02:23:16,520 --> 02:23:19,560
Speaker 1: guys that won't welcome and stack um people that won't

2287
02:23:19,560 --> 02:23:22,200
Speaker 1: put a cigarette in the bear's mouth, making Lynn doesn't

2288
02:23:22,240 --> 02:23:26,200
Speaker 1: even know the exist a cigarette the bear's mouth. Next bear,

2289
02:23:26,240 --> 02:23:30,320
Speaker 1: I kill him going to But my point is these

2290
02:23:30,400 --> 02:23:32,879
Speaker 1: little boys and girls, their families. Is there a more

2291
02:23:33,000 --> 02:23:37,480
Speaker 1: demanding vetting procedure? Whether you deserve to take my little

2292
02:23:37,560 --> 02:23:42,039
Speaker 1: boy on his last hunt, then a family at that emotional,

2293
02:23:42,840 --> 02:23:46,000
Speaker 1: horrible time in their lives to call the whack master.

2294
02:23:46,959 --> 02:23:52,400
Speaker 1: If I qualify for that, my critics can kiss my ass.

2295
02:23:52,520 --> 02:23:56,920
Speaker 1: And I've done it dozens of times. If I have

2296
02:23:57,240 --> 02:24:06,040
Speaker 1: earned that, I'm untouchable. How about that? How about Chris

2297
02:24:07,879 --> 02:24:13,560
Speaker 1: Chris Campbell, Navy seal who went to save Marcus Latroell

2298
02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:18,760
Speaker 1: and the chopped the chopper crashed his will and testamon

2299
02:24:19,040 --> 02:24:21,760
Speaker 1: was that he wants Ted Newton to play Fred Bare

2300
02:24:21,840 --> 02:24:30,320
Speaker 1: at his funeral. Critics bring it and here's the ultimate,

2301
02:24:30,680 --> 02:24:35,440
Speaker 1: this will leave you hurt. So Marcus called me and said,

2302
02:24:36,440 --> 02:24:38,600
Speaker 1: Chris's family would like you to play Fred Bare when

2303
02:24:38,840 --> 02:24:42,440
Speaker 1: his remains come home. When and where got my guitar?

2304
02:24:42,520 --> 02:24:46,680
Speaker 1: And aunt got a buddy with the jet getting ready

2305
02:24:46,680 --> 02:24:51,520
Speaker 1: to go on to go to Norfolk, and Marcus called

2306
02:24:51,560 --> 02:24:56,080
Speaker 1: back and said, you've been disinvited by President Barack Obama.

2307
02:24:56,600 --> 02:25:01,080
Speaker 1: He won't allow you there. So the president, the commander

2308
02:25:01,120 --> 02:25:07,640
Speaker 1: in chief, who I am diametrically opposed to on every issue,

2309
02:25:07,760 --> 02:25:14,000
Speaker 1: every breath the man takes. That's his stand to say

2310
02:25:14,800 --> 02:25:17,040
Speaker 1: fuck you to a Navy seal who died for our

2311
02:25:17,080 --> 02:25:23,640
Speaker 1: country by declining that dead seals request and disinviting Ted

2312
02:25:23,760 --> 02:25:27,080
Speaker 1: Nugent to play fred Bear at the return of his remains.

2313
02:25:27,920 --> 02:25:31,240
Speaker 1: I'm the good guy. My critics are bad guys. That happened,

2314
02:25:31,560 --> 02:25:34,240
Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened. So I did a private one

2315
02:25:34,280 --> 02:25:37,080
Speaker 1: for his family at a different time. But how low

2316
02:25:37,879 --> 02:25:40,160
Speaker 1: can you go? If you're the commander in chief of

2317
02:25:40,200 --> 02:25:44,039
Speaker 1: the United States of America and a dead seal has

2318
02:25:44,080 --> 02:25:46,200
Speaker 1: a request and you decline it because you don't like

2319
02:25:46,280 --> 02:25:49,040
Speaker 1: the guy involved with the request, How beautiful am I?

2320
02:25:49,400 --> 02:25:53,400
Speaker 1: I can hardly stand me. I'm so fucking good if

2321
02:25:53,520 --> 02:25:57,120
Speaker 1: that kind of evil is that against me? That's why

2322
02:25:57,200 --> 02:26:02,000
Speaker 1: my confidence cup runneth over. Because that little kid's family

2323
02:26:02,560 --> 02:26:05,920
Speaker 1: thinks I'm okay to fulfill his They're dying son's request,

2324
02:26:06,600 --> 02:26:08,879
Speaker 1: and that Navy seal wants me to play that song.

2325
02:26:11,000 --> 02:26:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm surprised my feet touched the ground. It's a blessing,

2326
02:26:14,680 --> 02:26:19,120
Speaker 1: it's a gift. I'm humbled by it. I'm honored beyond words.

2327
02:26:19,959 --> 02:26:22,760
Speaker 1: But those indicators in my life make people who are

2328
02:26:22,840 --> 02:26:25,280
Speaker 1: upset with me for not being in Michigan October one.

2329
02:26:26,240 --> 02:26:32,720
Speaker 1: The so stupid, it's hysterical. My priorities have obviously been

2330
02:26:32,879 --> 02:26:36,920
Speaker 1: well aimed. That fred Bear said keep doing what you're doing.

2331
02:26:37,760 --> 02:26:42,920
Speaker 1: That the family of a dying child thinks I qualify

2332
02:26:43,480 --> 02:26:46,840
Speaker 1: to fulfill the dying request, and a Navy seal's family

2333
02:26:47,240 --> 02:26:49,320
Speaker 1: wants me to play that fred Bear song as funeral.

2334
02:26:49,400 --> 02:26:52,400
Speaker 1: I mean, is there is there other more powerful indicators

2335
02:26:52,440 --> 02:26:56,800
Speaker 1: in life? Can you name any I can't, Or that

2336
02:26:56,959 --> 02:27:01,160
Speaker 1: my my own family relations ship, or that you're here

2337
02:27:01,200 --> 02:27:03,400
Speaker 1: to do an interview with me. I qualified for the

2338
02:27:03,640 --> 02:27:11,520
Speaker 1: Mediator podcast. UM, I have enough UM and it is UM.

2339
02:27:11,640 --> 02:27:15,840
Speaker 1: And I know I'm controversial because in a world gone berserk,

2340
02:27:16,840 --> 02:27:21,360
Speaker 1: good is controversial. Well, I gotta tell you, you know,

2341
02:27:21,520 --> 02:27:25,160
Speaker 1: there's a long period of my life where I had

2342
02:27:26,120 --> 02:27:30,360
Speaker 1: it was outside all the time, ingested very very little

2343
02:27:31,400 --> 02:27:35,920
Speaker 1: hunting media or media of any sort. And uh, you know,

2344
02:27:36,040 --> 02:27:37,640
Speaker 1: Clay and I were talking on the right over here

2345
02:27:37,680 --> 02:27:41,080
Speaker 1: to the ramps this morning. I'm like, where we know

2346
02:27:41,440 --> 02:27:47,120
Speaker 1: Ted Nugent from? Essentially right? So, um, and I have

2347
02:27:47,320 --> 02:27:51,080
Speaker 1: one article I was always always aware of of Ted Nugent.

2348
02:27:51,160 --> 02:27:55,760
Speaker 1: But you're like rocker fame, stardom guy, And truly I

2349
02:27:55,800 --> 02:27:59,320
Speaker 1: didn't give you, you know, like you see with people

2350
02:27:59,360 --> 02:28:01,279
Speaker 1: on TV. Was like, I don't know if this guy's

2351
02:28:02,160 --> 02:28:06,640
Speaker 1: what he actually is, but I'm sure, I'm sure there's

2352
02:28:06,640 --> 02:28:12,039
Speaker 1: a good paycheck there. And uh, I pick up magazine

2353
02:28:12,080 --> 02:28:14,720
Speaker 1: off the back of my buddy's toilet, started going through

2354
02:28:14,760 --> 02:28:18,680
Speaker 1: it and I'm reading about it was like an opening

2355
02:28:18,800 --> 02:28:22,280
Speaker 1: day type of scene of l counting and it's one

2356
02:28:22,320 --> 02:28:26,280
Speaker 1: of your articles, and man, I'm I'm there, I'm you're

2357
02:28:26,360 --> 02:28:30,600
Speaker 1: You're talking about the Woods coming alive and the Elker bugling.

2358
02:28:30,800 --> 02:28:33,280
Speaker 1: It's dark. You're not in him yet, but you know

2359
02:28:33,360 --> 02:28:35,880
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. And I'm guiding out. I'm a

2360
02:28:35,920 --> 02:28:38,440
Speaker 1: full time Elk guy at at this point, right, And

2361
02:28:38,720 --> 02:28:41,880
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm living it. I'm there. And then the

2362
02:28:42,040 --> 02:28:45,840
Speaker 1: reveal starts happening and and you're like, you know, like

2363
02:28:46,200 --> 02:28:48,440
Speaker 1: a turn in my stand and I'm like, oh, guy's

2364
02:28:48,480 --> 02:28:51,800
Speaker 1: hunting out of a stand. Huh, okay, sure, still there,

2365
02:28:52,200 --> 02:28:56,280
Speaker 1: still painting the scene. And then you're on I think

2366
02:28:56,320 --> 02:28:59,560
Speaker 1: you even described like a feeder going off or you're

2367
02:29:00,000 --> 02:29:04,480
Speaker 1: described over a feeder, but I would okay, well it's

2368
02:29:04,640 --> 02:29:09,080
Speaker 1: a long time ago, so um there's like how the

2369
02:29:09,160 --> 02:29:12,600
Speaker 1: ages have progressed anyway. But you were in a high

2370
02:29:12,680 --> 02:29:18,680
Speaker 1: fence place and I was just like, nope, this guy no,

2371
02:29:19,000 --> 02:29:23,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, not legitet not, No, this is right

2372
02:29:24,080 --> 02:29:29,520
Speaker 1: and perfect and you know it's it's truly only come

2373
02:29:29,600 --> 02:29:34,280
Speaker 1: to now where I'm like, oh, this guy has You

2374
02:29:34,360 --> 02:29:38,560
Speaker 1: can't ignore the passion that this man has. And they're

2375
02:29:38,720 --> 02:29:42,360
Speaker 1: none of my bullshit meters are going off on when

2376
02:29:42,400 --> 02:29:44,760
Speaker 1: you talk about the animals and the outside and and

2377
02:29:44,879 --> 02:29:47,600
Speaker 1: the wise. But I mean, that's a big span of

2378
02:29:47,680 --> 02:29:49,720
Speaker 1: time from that article where I'm like, oh, this guy

2379
02:29:50,760 --> 02:29:52,960
Speaker 1: isn't doing it the way I do it, so he

2380
02:29:53,040 --> 02:29:54,480
Speaker 1: must not be. But I do do it the way

2381
02:29:54,520 --> 02:29:57,720
Speaker 1: you do it. I hunted Alaska seventy seven, got a moose,

2382
02:29:57,800 --> 02:30:01,240
Speaker 1: got a bear, got a cariboo. I hunted the Sudan

2383
02:30:01,400 --> 02:30:02,760
Speaker 1: as the last white guy to get out of the

2384
02:30:02,760 --> 02:30:05,720
Speaker 1: Sudan alive. There's no fences. Are hunted all across the world,

2385
02:30:05,800 --> 02:30:09,200
Speaker 1: No fences are hunted all Manistee National Forest. I hunted

2386
02:30:09,240 --> 02:30:13,080
Speaker 1: wild everywhere. I've hunted everywhere, no fences. But sometimes I

2387
02:30:13,200 --> 02:30:15,119
Speaker 1: hunt in the fence some people's lands in the fence.

2388
02:30:15,320 --> 02:30:17,080
Speaker 1: My land is in defence because I want to hunt

2389
02:30:17,200 --> 02:30:20,040
Speaker 1: Oryx and Alla dad in black buck. And it says real.

2390
02:30:20,480 --> 02:30:24,240
Speaker 1: It's even far more difficult than no fence Sudan, or

2391
02:30:24,280 --> 02:30:27,440
Speaker 1: no no fence Zimbabwe, or quite honestly, no fence Illinois,

2392
02:30:28,360 --> 02:30:31,680
Speaker 1: especially no fed South Texas. You want dumb retired animals

2393
02:30:32,680 --> 02:30:35,240
Speaker 1: to go down to South Texas and make the sound

2394
02:30:35,280 --> 02:30:38,240
Speaker 1: of a corn feeder going off. And I'm all for that,

2395
02:30:38,480 --> 02:30:40,960
Speaker 1: because I like to kill stuff with my bow and arrow.

2396
02:30:41,200 --> 02:30:43,560
Speaker 1: I like to get close. I've done it all and

2397
02:30:43,640 --> 02:30:45,840
Speaker 1: I will continue to do it all. I still my

2398
02:30:46,280 --> 02:30:48,320
Speaker 1: Michigan ground. I have a high fence in Michigan, but

2399
02:30:48,440 --> 02:30:52,320
Speaker 1: my acres is all wild, wild ground. And I'll give

2400
02:30:52,360 --> 02:30:53,640
Speaker 1: you a bow and arrow, and if you can kill

2401
02:30:53,680 --> 02:30:56,640
Speaker 1: a deer in my ground, you can have it. Good luck.

2402
02:30:57,080 --> 02:30:59,440
Speaker 1: They're the smartest animals in the world. And here on

2403
02:30:59,560 --> 02:31:01,920
Speaker 1: this prop pretty you get your bow and arrow. You

2404
02:31:02,240 --> 02:31:04,840
Speaker 1: can have whatever you kill, and you ain't gonna kill

2405
02:31:05,080 --> 02:31:10,720
Speaker 1: Shit's the smartest, spookiest animals. You better be co Chiefe

2406
02:31:10,840 --> 02:31:16,840
Speaker 1: meets Natty Bumpo, because these these animals are spookier than

2407
02:31:16,920 --> 02:31:20,480
Speaker 1: my Michigan swamp animals. These animals are so tuned in.

2408
02:31:21,000 --> 02:31:24,640
Speaker 1: So I hunt for the hunt, and all my hunts

2409
02:31:24,680 --> 02:31:28,640
Speaker 1: are the hunt. Now do I desire a dumb deer?

2410
02:31:28,840 --> 02:31:31,959
Speaker 1: I deserve a dumb deer. I need a dumb deer

2411
02:31:32,040 --> 02:31:34,480
Speaker 1: after a few weeks a hunt. And if you want that,

2412
02:31:35,640 --> 02:31:37,920
Speaker 1: go to Illinois next to one of those forest preserves.

2413
02:31:38,120 --> 02:31:42,200
Speaker 1: Those are wild deer. There's no fences, but they're dumb Kansas.

2414
02:31:42,480 --> 02:31:47,520
Speaker 1: Some dumb deer. Um, Ohio, some dumb deer compared to

2415
02:31:47,560 --> 02:31:52,080
Speaker 1: my Michigan deer. Um. My first white tail in Wyoming

2416
02:31:52,240 --> 02:31:55,200
Speaker 1: up there near the Devil's Tower. God, that was the

2417
02:31:55,280 --> 02:31:57,240
Speaker 1: easiest deer I've ever killed in my life. A hundred

2418
02:31:57,280 --> 02:32:00,360
Speaker 1: yards away. They don't even care if you're there. I've

2419
02:32:00,440 --> 02:32:02,480
Speaker 1: never seen a deer like that in my life. And

2420
02:32:02,560 --> 02:32:05,280
Speaker 1: I couldn't wait to go back because I'm sicking, tired

2421
02:32:05,320 --> 02:32:08,200
Speaker 1: of white tails and snorts. Um. So I've done it.

2422
02:32:08,280 --> 02:32:11,920
Speaker 1: All back when I was hunting Alaska every year every

2423
02:32:12,000 --> 02:32:15,280
Speaker 1: year from seventy seven and the wilds of Africa, still

2424
02:32:15,400 --> 02:32:17,640
Speaker 1: hunting with a bow and arrow. I didn't film any

2425
02:32:17,680 --> 02:32:20,040
Speaker 1: of that because there was no outdoor TV and I

2426
02:32:20,120 --> 02:32:22,560
Speaker 1: didn't even have any idea. I just wanted to go hunting,

2427
02:32:22,840 --> 02:32:25,840
Speaker 1: so I I do hunt the way you hunt. Yeah,

2428
02:32:25,879 --> 02:32:30,960
Speaker 1: I guess. My My point though, is that at that

2429
02:32:31,280 --> 02:32:34,880
Speaker 1: that point of reading the article, I thought you and

2430
02:32:34,959 --> 02:32:37,800
Speaker 1: I were quite a post and it just takes a

2431
02:32:37,840 --> 02:32:41,920
Speaker 1: long because of the high fence to come full circle. Well,

2432
02:32:42,000 --> 02:32:45,879
Speaker 1: because I also had this image of like, guy's got

2433
02:32:45,959 --> 02:32:49,959
Speaker 1: this big lifestyle that's far outside of hunting, right, touring,

2434
02:32:50,280 --> 02:32:52,640
Speaker 1: rock and roll, awesome, all the things that you think

2435
02:32:52,680 --> 02:32:57,360
Speaker 1: about stuff you can you connect with him and you

2436
02:32:57,480 --> 02:33:00,120
Speaker 1: see some of the positions he's got. Yeah, but it's

2437
02:33:00,160 --> 02:33:04,440
Speaker 1: taken a hell of a long time. Well. Yeah, what

2438
02:33:04,560 --> 02:33:09,160
Speaker 1: I've always I have never doubted um, even in the

2439
02:33:09,400 --> 02:33:12,720
Speaker 1: areas where you've said things and I'm like, man, I

2440
02:33:12,760 --> 02:33:16,400
Speaker 1: wish you wouldn't have said it that way. Uh, Like

2441
02:33:16,480 --> 02:33:18,360
Speaker 1: I agree with the sentiment. I suppose you wouldn't have

2442
02:33:18,360 --> 02:33:22,080
Speaker 1: expressed it that way. It's it's always been where I

2443
02:33:22,160 --> 02:33:25,840
Speaker 1: have always known and felt that we were in large

2444
02:33:26,040 --> 02:33:30,080
Speaker 1: measure talking about the same things. I mean, I've known

2445
02:33:30,160 --> 02:33:34,240
Speaker 1: since those days in the late eighties early nineties that

2446
02:33:34,440 --> 02:33:39,800
Speaker 1: you uh did find that like that, that that that

2447
02:33:40,040 --> 02:33:42,040
Speaker 1: sentence that you've said many times, like the spirit of

2448
02:33:42,080 --> 02:33:43,640
Speaker 1: the wild, of that phrase of spirit of wild, that

2449
02:33:43,680 --> 02:33:48,440
Speaker 1: you felt that spirituality and and promoted it and connected

2450
02:33:48,520 --> 02:33:50,959
Speaker 1: with it. Finally, I've never doubted that ship. I've never

2451
02:33:51,040 --> 02:33:54,560
Speaker 1: doubted that. It's just yeah, at times I have because

2452
02:33:54,600 --> 02:33:56,080
Speaker 1: of the role you're in. At times I've just been

2453
02:33:56,560 --> 02:34:02,920
Speaker 1: let something that's that's happening here that I can maybe

2454
02:34:02,959 --> 02:34:07,320
Speaker 1: I could say, is that you guys, it's interesting sitting

2455
02:34:07,360 --> 02:34:11,360
Speaker 1: here with Steve Rinella and Ted Dugent because you your

2456
02:34:11,480 --> 02:34:14,160
Speaker 1: passion for hunting and the way you articulated in the

2457
02:34:14,240 --> 02:34:18,160
Speaker 1: excitement and all the things that you did years ago

2458
02:34:18,360 --> 02:34:21,439
Speaker 1: that formulated stuff. I think you've had a big influence

2459
02:34:21,480 --> 02:34:24,360
Speaker 1: on Steve Rinella absolutely who who I mean, a very

2460
02:34:24,480 --> 02:34:27,840
Speaker 1: positive influence on the way like talking about the spirit

2461
02:34:27,879 --> 02:34:31,760
Speaker 1: of the wild when in his own words, Steve talks

2462
02:34:31,760 --> 02:34:34,800
Speaker 1: about the exact same thing, I think, and you learned

2463
02:34:34,800 --> 02:34:36,320
Speaker 1: to play I never learned to play a guitar when

2464
02:34:36,320 --> 02:34:37,520
Speaker 1: I was a kid. You learned to play guitar at

2465
02:34:37,560 --> 02:34:40,600
Speaker 1: first he learned how play was Red Bear. Yeah. It's

2466
02:34:40,640 --> 02:34:44,640
Speaker 1: just like did you just let me? Let me make no,

2467
02:34:44,840 --> 02:34:46,720
Speaker 1: I never never touched. We need to hear him place.

2468
02:34:47,120 --> 02:34:49,240
Speaker 1: We need to hear him play Fred Bear. But you,

2469
02:34:49,600 --> 02:34:52,480
Speaker 1: but but so. Steve Ronnella is the guy that came

2470
02:34:52,520 --> 02:34:55,800
Speaker 1: on the scene, you know, ten fifteen years ago, that

2471
02:34:56,080 --> 02:35:02,280
Speaker 1: brought a new academic intellect will kind of draw into

2472
02:35:02,400 --> 02:35:04,720
Speaker 1: hunting that a whole bunch of people have been like, man,

2473
02:35:04,760 --> 02:35:07,560
Speaker 1: we never heard anybody talking about hunting like that. And

2474
02:35:07,720 --> 02:35:09,640
Speaker 1: it was an appeal. It was the same thing you did.

2475
02:35:10,000 --> 02:35:14,039
Speaker 1: It really was. What he did was the same thing

2476
02:35:14,200 --> 02:35:17,520
Speaker 1: that you did. And it's it's interesting to see y'all

2477
02:35:17,520 --> 02:35:23,480
Speaker 1: sitting together because probably nine of stuff y'all would probably

2478
02:35:23,480 --> 02:35:27,600
Speaker 1: agree on. And the messaging and the frequency of the

2479
02:35:27,720 --> 02:35:33,320
Speaker 1: messaging is slightly different. And I feel like what Ted's

2480
02:35:33,360 --> 02:35:36,760
Speaker 1: position is is, Hey, we are what we are. There's

2481
02:35:36,800 --> 02:35:42,120
Speaker 1: no reason to lean any direction to try to accommodate anybody.

2482
02:35:42,440 --> 02:35:44,360
Speaker 1: And like there's this like stance of just this is

2483
02:35:44,360 --> 02:35:47,120
Speaker 1: who we are. You've come in in in in a

2484
02:35:47,200 --> 02:35:50,800
Speaker 1: way that we all deeply respect, have have catered the

2485
02:35:50,879 --> 02:35:53,720
Speaker 1: message of hunting and like probably a broader way. So

2486
02:35:53,840 --> 02:36:01,120
Speaker 1: here's my question. Here's my question. It's not perfect, but

2487
02:36:01,680 --> 02:36:06,600
Speaker 1: um so my question is, you know, I think, well,

2488
02:36:06,760 --> 02:36:08,920
Speaker 1: my assessment is that I think there's a place where

2489
02:36:09,000 --> 02:36:10,760
Speaker 1: you you stand and say, hey, this is just who

2490
02:36:10,800 --> 02:36:12,520
Speaker 1: we are. We whack them and stack them, it's just

2491
02:36:12,720 --> 02:36:14,560
Speaker 1: kind of what we do, and that's what we've been

2492
02:36:14,600 --> 02:36:18,040
Speaker 1: doing for you know, thousands of years, and that's just

2493
02:36:18,080 --> 02:36:20,440
Speaker 1: who we are as humans. We're not changing. And then

2494
02:36:20,520 --> 02:36:22,960
Speaker 1: but then there's also the side of the equation where

2495
02:36:23,080 --> 02:36:28,040
Speaker 1: we you know, cater would be the wrong word, but

2496
02:36:28,160 --> 02:36:32,279
Speaker 1: where we make our message more appealing to a broader audience.

2497
02:36:33,040 --> 02:36:38,120
Speaker 1: Do you see what I'm saying a marriage? What are

2498
02:36:38,160 --> 02:36:41,480
Speaker 1: the reasons you guys scoop closer in. One of the

2499
02:36:41,560 --> 02:36:44,880
Speaker 1: reasons that you're uncomfortable with some of my deliveries and

2500
02:36:44,959 --> 02:36:48,120
Speaker 1: you were uncomfortable with some of my deliveries is because

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02:36:48,320 --> 02:36:52,320
Speaker 1: before there was the term political correctness, political correctness was

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02:36:52,560 --> 02:36:56,680
Speaker 1: beginning to happen, and in the hunting Second Amendment community,

2503
02:36:57,280 --> 02:37:00,440
Speaker 1: our so called leaders were afraid of their own shadow.

2504
02:37:00,959 --> 02:37:03,920
Speaker 1: In Outdoor Life magazine, they would actually say, don't wear

2505
02:37:03,959 --> 02:37:06,400
Speaker 1: a camouflage in public and don't bring up the hunting

2506
02:37:06,440 --> 02:37:11,440
Speaker 1: and makeing people uncomfortable. It's just the total opposite approach

2507
02:37:11,480 --> 02:37:15,920
Speaker 1: you should take. But but I like I spent my hope.

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02:37:15,959 --> 02:37:18,720
Speaker 1: My whole career has been talking about hunting. My whole

2509
02:37:18,760 --> 02:37:21,800
Speaker 1: career is identifying as a hunter. I've never done anything

2510
02:37:21,920 --> 02:37:25,720
Speaker 1: other than talk about professionally and otherwise. I've never done

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02:37:25,720 --> 02:37:28,360
Speaker 1: anything other than hunt since before I was supposed to,

2512
02:37:28,520 --> 02:37:30,600
Speaker 1: before I was legally allowed to do it, to now

2513
02:37:30,920 --> 02:37:36,320
Speaker 1: and talk about hunting. However, at times like I have

2514
02:37:36,680 --> 02:37:40,400
Speaker 1: strong opinions about how I like to explain it or

2515
02:37:40,440 --> 02:37:44,640
Speaker 1: not how I have strong opinions about how to explain

2516
02:37:44,720 --> 02:37:48,760
Speaker 1: it so that people are most likely to get what

2517
02:37:48,920 --> 02:37:52,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying and get on board with what my program is.

2518
02:37:52,480 --> 02:37:53,680
Speaker 1: And a salute to you if here should do a

2519
02:37:53,760 --> 02:37:56,000
Speaker 1: great job at that. The whole concept of meat eater,

2520
02:37:56,400 --> 02:37:59,560
Speaker 1: it galvanizes the entire process of the hunt. That the

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02:37:59,640 --> 02:38:04,200
Speaker 1: fruit is sustenance. So I'm not I'm not sitting there

2522
02:38:04,240 --> 02:38:06,760
Speaker 1: being like oh no, nor no, don't show that that's

2523
02:38:06,840 --> 02:38:09,959
Speaker 1: dirty and naughty. That's not it. I'm like, listen, there's

2524
02:38:09,959 --> 02:38:12,040
Speaker 1: a lot to be proud of here. Um, I just

2525
02:38:12,160 --> 02:38:14,160
Speaker 1: have opinions about how I like to and you do

2526
02:38:14,280 --> 02:38:18,520
Speaker 1: a fine job. I support you do it long before

2527
02:38:18,640 --> 02:38:21,000
Speaker 1: me and I and I don't even like to be

2528
02:38:21,080 --> 02:38:22,720
Speaker 1: in here. I don't even like to be in your

2529
02:38:22,760 --> 02:38:25,160
Speaker 1: acting Like there's sort of like you're what you've done,

2530
02:38:25,200 --> 02:38:28,080
Speaker 1: what I've done, and and juxtaposed at all, you've been

2531
02:38:28,120 --> 02:38:30,800
Speaker 1: there long before me. I'm just like, as as a point,

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02:38:30,879 --> 02:38:33,120
Speaker 1: we've talked to a couple of areas c w D

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02:38:33,240 --> 02:38:35,040
Speaker 1: and whacking, I'm stacking as a point where I'm like,

2534
02:38:35,720 --> 02:38:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm like dead man. I just I wish you thought

2535
02:38:40,200 --> 02:38:42,800
Speaker 1: about this a little differently, but I thought I thought

2536
02:38:42,800 --> 02:38:45,119
Speaker 1: about it a lot, and I'm not going to think

2537
02:38:45,120 --> 02:38:49,440
Speaker 1: about it differently because I think that I think the

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02:38:49,560 --> 02:38:56,640
Speaker 1: best remedy against denial um propaganda, against hunting propaganda, against

2539
02:38:56,720 --> 02:39:01,080
Speaker 1: venison propaganda against us a self ancient lifestyle, which is

2540
02:39:01,160 --> 02:39:05,200
Speaker 1: what we embody and what you promote beautifully. I think

2541
02:39:05,320 --> 02:39:10,080
Speaker 1: I promoted more effectively because I'm uninhibited and that that

2542
02:39:10,680 --> 02:39:13,520
Speaker 1: you'll never well, I was gonna I was gonna say,

2543
02:39:13,560 --> 02:39:17,280
Speaker 1: you will never address the outside demographic, but you have.

2544
02:39:17,920 --> 02:39:21,959
Speaker 1: You've lured in and outside demographic a lot because there

2545
02:39:22,080 --> 02:39:25,080
Speaker 1: was an establishment of field to table prior to meet

2546
02:39:25,120 --> 02:39:29,640
Speaker 1: eare and you you maximize that delivery in a or

2547
02:39:29,840 --> 02:39:34,080
Speaker 1: in a perfect way. But there's more to Here's the thing, Krens,

2548
02:39:34,080 --> 02:39:36,240
Speaker 1: give me the wrap it up. Let me let me

2549
02:39:36,280 --> 02:39:39,440
Speaker 1: just say one night, that'll be the day. Look at

2550
02:39:39,440 --> 02:39:43,680
Speaker 1: it like this for a second, thoughts. Let's say you're

2551
02:39:43,680 --> 02:39:48,199
Speaker 1: addressing the American public. I do everything. That's what people

2552
02:39:48,280 --> 02:39:51,520
Speaker 1: came to this podcast to hear. Let's say one's addressing

2553
02:39:51,520 --> 02:39:54,560
Speaker 1: the American public, and their interest is that they want

2554
02:39:54,680 --> 02:39:57,320
Speaker 1: to be able to continue, um, they want to be

2555
02:39:57,320 --> 02:40:00,560
Speaker 1: able to continue their lifestyle of honey, and they want

2556
02:40:00,680 --> 02:40:02,840
Speaker 1: to make sure that there is a lot of wild

2557
02:40:02,879 --> 02:40:06,480
Speaker 1: animals around Okay, And they come to the American public

2558
02:40:06,520 --> 02:40:08,120
Speaker 1: and they're like, Hey, in the back of my head,

2559
02:40:08,160 --> 02:40:10,760
Speaker 1: I'm trying to preserve my lifestyle, preserves something that I

2560
02:40:10,920 --> 02:40:15,240
Speaker 1: feel is beautiful and right, which is hunting, hunting, fishing, trapping.

2561
02:40:15,320 --> 02:40:18,560
Speaker 1: Like these things that are like right, traditionally used practices

2562
02:40:18,760 --> 02:40:26,520
Speaker 1: need to be defended. And I have like promoted, not defended, preserved, defended, promoted,

2563
02:40:26,560 --> 02:40:29,880
Speaker 1: preserved whatever. And I have one minute to speak to

2564
02:40:29,959 --> 02:40:32,760
Speaker 1: him about it. I might be more inclined to take

2565
02:40:32,840 --> 02:40:36,240
Speaker 1: my minute and say something like, um, there's there's a

2566
02:40:36,360 --> 02:40:39,480
Speaker 1: system that works very well, and we fine tuned it

2567
02:40:39,480 --> 02:40:44,360
Speaker 1: in this country where we have biologists and others that

2568
02:40:45,080 --> 02:40:48,920
Speaker 1: count population levels and determine the long term that are

2569
02:40:49,320 --> 02:40:55,000
Speaker 1: that are tasked with guaranteeing the long term viability of

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02:40:55,080 --> 02:41:00,440
Speaker 1: these species, and they determine that they set regular elations

2571
02:41:00,480 --> 02:41:03,320
Speaker 1: by which we abide. This is not a free for all.

2572
02:41:03,520 --> 02:41:06,760
Speaker 1: We're not driving game animals to extinction. Quite the opposite.

2573
02:41:07,440 --> 02:41:09,720
Speaker 1: The things that are thriving most in this country are

2574
02:41:09,800 --> 02:41:12,879
Speaker 1: the things that have hunters interest. Your minutes up, by

2575
02:41:12,920 --> 02:41:15,520
Speaker 1: the way, that was your minute. That was awesome. But

2576
02:41:15,879 --> 02:41:19,640
Speaker 1: like I would tend to take an approach like that, well,

2577
02:41:19,720 --> 02:41:21,960
Speaker 1: you need to do more. You need to do more homework.

2578
02:41:22,000 --> 02:41:25,160
Speaker 1: Did you see I'm serious? Don't like it? You need

2579
02:41:25,240 --> 02:41:27,160
Speaker 1: to do more homework. Did you see my v H

2580
02:41:27,240 --> 02:41:29,520
Speaker 1: one Hunting special? You didn't see it? Did you? Did

2581
02:41:29,600 --> 02:41:33,120
Speaker 1: you see my MTV? Don't? I didn't see this stuff?

2582
02:41:33,360 --> 02:41:37,360
Speaker 1: Did you see him? Because I articulated that profoundly. I

2583
02:41:37,480 --> 02:41:39,720
Speaker 1: never said that you didn't articulate, well, good, but you said,

2584
02:41:40,000 --> 02:41:42,160
Speaker 1: given a minute, you do it your system. You did

2585
02:41:42,240 --> 02:41:45,560
Speaker 1: it good. But guess who's done it better, longer, and

2586
02:41:45,720 --> 02:41:48,760
Speaker 1: to thousands of times more people than you have in

2587
02:41:49,560 --> 02:41:53,560
Speaker 1: all across Europe, all across When was the last time

2588
02:41:53,560 --> 02:41:57,840
Speaker 1: you're on Tucker Carlson explaining sustained yield wildlife abitat Well,

2589
02:41:58,480 --> 02:42:00,680
Speaker 1: my point is I'm not I'm I got, I got.

2590
02:42:00,760 --> 02:42:02,480
Speaker 1: I can't tell you well, I'm gonna get you on

2591
02:42:02,560 --> 02:42:04,600
Speaker 1: because you a great job. But my point is is

2592
02:42:04,680 --> 02:42:07,720
Speaker 1: that the point you just made is the exact point

2593
02:42:08,040 --> 02:42:14,760
Speaker 1: I have. I'm not saying you don't have the point

2594
02:42:14,959 --> 02:42:18,400
Speaker 1: he's just saying, but the real I just think we

2595
02:42:18,520 --> 02:42:20,720
Speaker 1: don't say it different. We say it exactly the same.

2596
02:42:21,200 --> 02:42:23,040
Speaker 1: But when you go like, well, here's what we do

2597
02:42:23,120 --> 02:42:25,160
Speaker 1: is we whack them then stack them, I don't know

2598
02:42:25,200 --> 02:42:30,480
Speaker 1: what that's so oversimplification that example. It may not being

2599
02:42:30,560 --> 02:42:36,120
Speaker 1: in Michigan October first, grossfully, and he's not. He's not

2600
02:42:36,280 --> 02:42:40,640
Speaker 1: criticizing you for that. If it's the thing that people

2601
02:42:40,800 --> 02:42:44,560
Speaker 1: here and misinterpret, all I can tell you is that

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02:42:44,800 --> 02:42:53,280
Speaker 1: my my vapor trail of recruitment and retention ed unparalleled, beau.

2603
02:42:54,160 --> 02:42:58,680
Speaker 1: And you know why, because I'm uppity, I'm believable, I

2604
02:42:58,920 --> 02:43:02,320
Speaker 1: know my science. I mailed to articulate my science and

2605
02:43:02,440 --> 02:43:05,360
Speaker 1: then and bellowship because I'm just typically an uppidea guy.

2606
02:43:05,440 --> 02:43:09,760
Speaker 1: I'm very much alive, but that uppidness and aliveness is

2607
02:43:09,840 --> 02:43:13,520
Speaker 1: the contagious factor. That's what draws them in. And here's

2608
02:43:13,520 --> 02:43:15,280
Speaker 1: an example. And again I'm not bragging. I know what

2609
02:43:15,400 --> 02:43:17,480
Speaker 1: I do. And again the dear will home humble me

2610
02:43:17,720 --> 02:43:21,680
Speaker 1: immensely later on, as as will Mrs Nugent. But when

2611
02:43:21,720 --> 02:43:25,600
Speaker 1: I go to a shot show, okay, you can promote,

2612
02:43:25,920 --> 02:43:28,040
Speaker 1: with all due respect, I haven't been there lately with you,

2613
02:43:29,240 --> 02:43:31,440
Speaker 1: and I mean this with respect. You can promote Steve

2614
02:43:31,560 --> 02:43:36,320
Speaker 1: or No at two o'clock at the X booth, Michael

2615
02:43:36,360 --> 02:43:39,720
Speaker 1: Waddell two pm. You can promote all the biggest names

2616
02:43:39,760 --> 02:43:48,960
Speaker 1: in our industry callahan, I will. I will stop to

2617
02:43:49,080 --> 02:43:52,920
Speaker 1: tie my shoe and have more people around me than

2618
02:43:53,080 --> 02:43:56,080
Speaker 1: all of you guys put together. Not at a rock

2619
02:43:56,160 --> 02:44:01,680
Speaker 1: and roll event, at a hunting event. Touch, that's no

2620
02:44:01,959 --> 02:44:06,240
Speaker 1: contest for me. And no it's not anecdotal. It's universal,

2621
02:44:06,400 --> 02:44:11,680
Speaker 1: zero contest for me. St And and when I met

2622
02:44:12,000 --> 02:44:15,960
Speaker 1: I've got the highest votes ever for twenty eight years

2623
02:44:16,040 --> 02:44:17,920
Speaker 1: on the Border Directors of the n r A except

2624
02:44:17,920 --> 02:44:24,640
Speaker 1: for Troute Aston. Why because I'm absolute and I embellish.

2625
02:44:24,680 --> 02:44:26,800
Speaker 1: I don't intentionally embellish, it's just the way I talk.

2626
02:44:27,520 --> 02:44:31,120
Speaker 1: It's it's more exciting. It's more Wang Dang sweet Puntang

2627
02:44:31,240 --> 02:44:39,720
Speaker 1: than Billy joel um. So. So my point is by

2628
02:44:39,840 --> 02:44:43,279
Speaker 1: by point is is that yes, I concur a slightly

2629
02:44:43,440 --> 02:44:49,560
Speaker 1: different approach. My my upedness passion is so contagious and

2630
02:44:49,879 --> 02:44:52,800
Speaker 1: so and they know that I'm not trying to hide anything,

2631
02:44:52,879 --> 02:44:56,280
Speaker 1: and neither of you. Again, I can't. I can't salute

2632
02:44:56,360 --> 02:45:01,160
Speaker 1: your style enough. It's awesome. The whole meat eater concept

2633
02:45:01,320 --> 02:45:05,880
Speaker 1: is perfect, but so is hitting the demographic that will

2634
02:45:05,959 --> 02:45:10,160
Speaker 1: never ever watch your show, and I've caused them in

2635
02:45:10,400 --> 02:45:13,000
Speaker 1: many instances. I don't know the numbers, but I know

2636
02:45:13,160 --> 02:45:18,040
Speaker 1: it's meaningful to buy a bone arrow and to buy

2637
02:45:18,040 --> 02:45:22,360
Speaker 1: a hunting license and to join us. So I would

2638
02:45:22,680 --> 02:45:26,119
Speaker 1: if that is your like, if that is your measure,

2639
02:45:26,440 --> 02:45:30,840
Speaker 1: I measure is there another measure? I'm saying, if that

2640
02:45:31,000 --> 02:45:36,240
Speaker 1: is one's measure, undeniably, I would never ever ever come

2641
02:45:36,320 --> 02:45:38,760
Speaker 1: here and suggest anything other than that you are the

2642
02:45:39,320 --> 02:45:44,360
Speaker 1: most impactful of live human being today in the world

2643
02:45:44,400 --> 02:45:49,800
Speaker 1: of hunting. There is no like, There's not even a

2644
02:45:49,879 --> 02:45:54,640
Speaker 1: second place. Because I take advantage of every public opportunity

2645
02:45:54,959 --> 02:46:00,520
Speaker 1: to promote it with passion and rock and roll embellishment.

2646
02:46:00,560 --> 02:46:02,680
Speaker 1: That is the only where it comes to mind. And

2647
02:46:02,840 --> 02:46:05,000
Speaker 1: so the people who are like when I did the

2648
02:46:05,080 --> 02:46:07,440
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan thing, and he'll tell you that the response

2649
02:46:07,760 --> 02:46:11,360
Speaker 1: about the the the vapor trail of the tractor and

2650
02:46:11,400 --> 02:46:13,280
Speaker 1: the disk of the plow. No one had ever heard

2651
02:46:13,360 --> 02:46:15,560
Speaker 1: that before. No one had ever known that in order

2652
02:46:15,600 --> 02:46:18,800
Speaker 1: to grow tofu you gotta kill everything and anything that

2653
02:46:18,879 --> 02:46:21,360
Speaker 1: might slither back into that tofu field. We're gonna call

2654
02:46:21,480 --> 02:46:24,320
Speaker 1: man saddle, We're gonna poison the ship out of him. Um,

2655
02:46:24,400 --> 02:46:27,280
Speaker 1: So your Tofu salad is more deadly for your friends

2656
02:46:27,280 --> 02:46:31,000
Speaker 1: of wildlife services. Yes, You're Tofu salad is more deadly

2657
02:46:31,080 --> 02:46:33,240
Speaker 1: than if ted Nugent traded his bone arrowin for an

2658
02:46:33,280 --> 02:46:36,680
Speaker 1: a ten ward hog. You can't kill more stuff than

2659
02:46:36,720 --> 02:46:39,200
Speaker 1: the growing of vegetables and wine. It's the it's the

2660
02:46:39,280 --> 02:46:44,240
Speaker 1: definitive genocide of anything threatening those agricultural products. No one

2661
02:46:44,320 --> 02:46:47,200
Speaker 1: has ever even mentioned that before, because I'm the only

2662
02:46:47,240 --> 02:46:50,160
Speaker 1: guy in the public visibility that actually runs a tractor

2663
02:46:50,360 --> 02:46:53,160
Speaker 1: and likes the seagulls and the crows following me. And

2664
02:46:53,520 --> 02:46:56,480
Speaker 1: I know that I'm slaughtering everything so I can grow

2665
02:46:57,120 --> 02:47:00,720
Speaker 1: let us or whatever crop I'm growing. So it's that

2666
02:47:01,040 --> 02:47:07,440
Speaker 1: boots on the ground, understanding the communication needs of conservation

2667
02:47:07,920 --> 02:47:13,040
Speaker 1: to a distant, disconnected demographic. And I've drawn them in.

2668
02:47:13,840 --> 02:47:16,440
Speaker 1: Um do I piss some people off? Yeah, mostly people

2669
02:47:16,560 --> 02:47:20,200
Speaker 1: in the industry that don't get it, that will never

2670
02:47:20,320 --> 02:47:24,240
Speaker 1: recruit anybody. It's literally like I'm saving kids from the

2671
02:47:24,240 --> 02:47:27,959
Speaker 1: Whitewater rapids and the swimming coach is angry and Cal's

2672
02:47:28,000 --> 02:47:37,400
Speaker 1: English teacher in Missoula, Montana. Yes, yes, he saved the children.

2673
02:47:37,440 --> 02:47:40,360
Speaker 1: But did you see that speed? Would have made my

2674
02:47:40,520 --> 02:47:44,200
Speaker 1: mama man too? But I made my mama man. Actually,

2675
02:47:44,280 --> 02:47:46,920
Speaker 1: my mama love this ship. So my my point is

2676
02:47:47,000 --> 02:47:51,520
Speaker 1: that I'm a spirited, unafraid, unapologetic absolutist, and I do

2677
02:47:52,520 --> 02:47:55,480
Speaker 1: PG thirteen because I speak to a lot of young

2678
02:47:55,640 --> 02:47:58,640
Speaker 1: organizations on Spirit of the Wild. I know that I

2679
02:47:58,760 --> 02:48:04,400
Speaker 1: have a presidented, youthful demographic, even though one of the

2680
02:48:04,480 --> 02:48:09,080
Speaker 1: oldest guys on there on TV because of my exuberance,

2681
02:48:09,080 --> 02:48:15,760
Speaker 1: because of my I'm unafraid, And you didn't adjust your

2682
02:48:15,920 --> 02:48:21,120
Speaker 1: style because you felt that you had to reach an

2683
02:48:21,160 --> 02:48:24,920
Speaker 1: expanded demographic. I think it's really you. I didn't. I don't.

2684
02:48:24,959 --> 02:48:29,080
Speaker 1: I never Yeah, I never imagine making a style. I

2685
02:48:29,160 --> 02:48:30,440
Speaker 1: was just like, there's a thing I cared about, and

2686
02:48:30,480 --> 02:48:32,360
Speaker 1: that's how I cared about it. That's what I'm saying,

2687
02:48:32,840 --> 02:48:35,520
Speaker 1: the same thing my motivation completely. I could care less

2688
02:48:35,720 --> 02:48:38,560
Speaker 1: whether I make people happy or angry. This is what

2689
02:48:38,680 --> 02:48:41,480
Speaker 1: I believe and this is how I present it and

2690
02:48:41,760 --> 02:48:44,520
Speaker 1: it I'm not for everybody. You're not for everybody, But

2691
02:48:44,680 --> 02:48:47,000
Speaker 1: thank god we're both in the same team. Are there?

2692
02:48:47,280 --> 02:48:52,120
Speaker 1: Are there? What are you afraid of? Nothing? Nothing at all,

2693
02:48:52,200 --> 02:48:54,280
Speaker 1: not even just you don't feel You don't feel like

2694
02:48:54,400 --> 02:48:58,480
Speaker 1: a weekly daily like a fear of something, nothing, never anything.

2695
02:49:00,680 --> 02:49:07,440
Speaker 1: It's because I've carved out this unbelievable dream. Only look

2696
02:49:07,480 --> 02:49:10,120
Speaker 1: at what I live. I mean, I live on paradise

2697
02:49:10,240 --> 02:49:12,560
Speaker 1: here in my mission. Gotta come to Michigan, my swamp.

2698
02:49:12,640 --> 02:49:15,000
Speaker 1: I have a fan. I have the largest fin east

2699
02:49:15,040 --> 02:49:17,840
Speaker 1: of the Mississippi. It's a unique wet lade um. And

2700
02:49:17,959 --> 02:49:20,680
Speaker 1: the biologists come because I got the mitchell Sadder butterfly

2701
02:49:20,840 --> 02:49:24,560
Speaker 1: that's thriving. It's almost extinct everywhere else. And the Christmas

2702
02:49:24,640 --> 02:49:27,879
Speaker 1: tree fern, which they claimed the Mitchell Satter butterfly needs

2703
02:49:27,920 --> 02:49:30,520
Speaker 1: to propagate and they all the biologists go, you know

2704
02:49:30,640 --> 02:49:33,120
Speaker 1: why you're fin is so healthy because you must kill

2705
02:49:33,160 --> 02:49:38,199
Speaker 1: a lot of deer. Yep. So I know what sustained

2706
02:49:38,280 --> 02:49:40,520
Speaker 1: yield is. I know what happened at Karen Capacity. I'm

2707
02:49:40,520 --> 02:49:43,359
Speaker 1: the first guy to bring those terms into the public arena,

2708
02:49:44,120 --> 02:49:46,360
Speaker 1: as the first guy to do that. Nobody from s

2709
02:49:46,440 --> 02:49:49,600
Speaker 1: c I ever did that. But not only that, but

2710
02:49:49,680 --> 02:49:52,439
Speaker 1: they're not allowed in the public arena because they're too stodgy.

2711
02:49:53,520 --> 02:49:57,480
Speaker 1: Um so, so I I've carved out a dream where

2712
02:49:57,520 --> 02:50:00,720
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really not afraid of anything. Um. You funk

2713
02:50:00,800 --> 02:50:13,240
Speaker 1: with me, you lose um and I I live this independent, cocky, confident, righteous,

2714
02:50:14,840 --> 02:50:21,040
Speaker 1: do good lifestyle. And it's so simple. That's why my

2715
02:50:21,200 --> 02:50:23,000
Speaker 1: music is so raw. And I mean, I have a

2716
02:50:23,080 --> 02:50:27,200
Speaker 1: new record coming out next month. Is just he had

2717
02:50:27,240 --> 02:50:28,880
Speaker 1: a record come out last year, just like was it

2718
02:50:28,920 --> 02:50:31,880
Speaker 1: just pre covid He had a record coming out. Music

2719
02:50:31,959 --> 02:50:35,039
Speaker 1: made me do it? Monster saw this new record? Holy god,

2720
02:50:35,520 --> 02:50:39,000
Speaker 1: you want a riot? Um So, yeah, I'm old, but

2721
02:50:39,160 --> 02:50:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm healthy. Uh, and I live perfect life. It's just

2722
02:50:48,160 --> 02:50:54,040
Speaker 1: I want for nothing, guys. One last question, go nuts.

2723
02:50:55,200 --> 02:51:01,560
Speaker 1: There are many concerns, but if you have advice for outdoorsman.

2724
02:51:02,720 --> 02:51:06,800
Speaker 1: Let's even say outdoorsmen and outdoors women. Yes, would What

2725
02:51:07,000 --> 02:51:09,680
Speaker 1: would you like? What is the piece of advice you

2726
02:51:09,800 --> 02:51:12,800
Speaker 1: have for people that want to preserve a lifestyle? Well,

2727
02:51:12,959 --> 02:51:18,240
Speaker 1: every problem in American can be traced down two conservatives

2728
02:51:18,440 --> 02:51:24,760
Speaker 1: not engaging And again, what's what's conservative? Values? God, family, country, constitution,

2729
02:51:24,800 --> 02:51:28,240
Speaker 1: bill of rights, that work, ethic, that entrepreneurial spirit, that

2730
02:51:28,360 --> 02:51:31,280
Speaker 1: man in the arena, law and order. All those things

2731
02:51:31,360 --> 02:51:33,800
Speaker 1: I just mentioned are not only the foundational values that

2732
02:51:33,879 --> 02:51:35,680
Speaker 1: made this the greatest quality of life in the history

2733
02:51:35,680 --> 02:51:39,240
Speaker 1: the world, but they're also very controversial today. All the

2734
02:51:39,320 --> 02:51:44,120
Speaker 1: best things about America are considered controversial. So we've discovered

2735
02:51:44,200 --> 02:51:47,120
Speaker 1: through our Hunter National organization to people go to Hunter

2736
02:51:47,280 --> 02:51:50,160
Speaker 1: Nation dot org they can see the statistics. We bought

2737
02:51:50,240 --> 02:51:53,400
Speaker 1: the list of every license hunter in America back in

2738
02:51:54,959 --> 02:51:59,280
Speaker 1: when we saw an outsider campaigning for the presidency against

2739
02:52:00,160 --> 02:52:08,280
Speaker 1: a horrible, horrible, power abusing, criminal Clinton organization, and when

2740
02:52:08,360 --> 02:52:13,360
Speaker 1: what we discovered was so heartbreaking that in every state

2741
02:52:13,480 --> 02:52:17,680
Speaker 1: there's an enormous and consequential percentage of licensed hunters that

2742
02:52:17,800 --> 02:52:20,760
Speaker 1: are not registered to vote and that have never registered

2743
02:52:20,840 --> 02:52:25,480
Speaker 1: to vote. But they're also the loudest squawkers about infringements

2744
02:52:25,520 --> 02:52:30,000
Speaker 1: on Second Amendment rights, UM regulations, hunting regulation, hunting, fishing,

2745
02:52:30,040 --> 02:52:33,240
Speaker 1: and trapping, which I've always used the Big three, hunting, fishing,

2746
02:52:33,280 --> 02:52:37,520
Speaker 1: and trapping. They're all critical is central conservation UH and

2747
02:52:37,920 --> 02:52:45,760
Speaker 1: endeavors that an embarrassing percentage of licensed hunters don't vote.

2748
02:52:46,320 --> 02:52:52,360
Speaker 1: We got Michigan, Wisconsin passage over of licensed hunters and

2749
02:52:52,440 --> 02:52:55,160
Speaker 1: Texas have never registered to vote. How could that be true?

2750
02:52:55,240 --> 02:53:00,320
Speaker 1: How can that be true? Wisconsin, Michigan fifty some percent,

2751
02:53:00,560 --> 02:53:03,840
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania mission Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, the Big three, even though Texas

2752
02:53:03,920 --> 02:53:08,680
Speaker 1: is more powerful and more UH are inclusive then those

2753
02:53:08,760 --> 02:53:15,240
Speaker 1: three states inten I campaign um maniacally in Missigan, Wisconsin,

2754
02:53:15,400 --> 02:53:20,760
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania to basically inspire slash scold what I consider to

2755
02:53:20,840 --> 02:53:28,400
Speaker 1: be the most defined conservative demographic, A license hunter, all

2756
02:53:28,480 --> 02:53:33,439
Speaker 1: those basic traditional family values are they embody the hunting lifestyle,

2757
02:53:33,520 --> 02:53:37,200
Speaker 1: the hunting family. And we got them to register and

2758
02:53:37,280 --> 02:53:39,920
Speaker 1: vote in and we won. Though as a five or

2759
02:53:39,959 --> 02:53:41,880
Speaker 1: one C three I can endorse a candidate, and I

2760
02:53:42,000 --> 02:53:44,760
Speaker 1: never did. But when you mentioned God, family, and country,

2761
02:53:45,080 --> 02:53:49,440
Speaker 1: you know who that doesn't include. And all across this country,

2762
02:53:49,560 --> 02:53:53,080
Speaker 1: every state has an embarrassing percentage of license hunters that

2763
02:53:53,160 --> 02:53:57,000
Speaker 1: are not engaged. And again I'm controversial because I've always

2764
02:53:57,080 --> 02:54:00,760
Speaker 1: been engaged when I see stupid regulations. I protest when

2765
02:54:00,800 --> 02:54:03,560
Speaker 1: I see Scott County Park and Brown County Park no

2766
02:54:03,680 --> 02:54:06,680
Speaker 1: hunting allowed, and it looks like a moonscape and it's

2767
02:54:06,720 --> 02:54:13,960
Speaker 1: all dirt and ribby deer. We attended UH meetings with

2768
02:54:14,080 --> 02:54:16,440
Speaker 1: the bureaucrats and we opened up bow hunting in those

2769
02:54:16,480 --> 02:54:19,280
Speaker 1: states and their vegetation. The habitat came back, and the

2770
02:54:19,320 --> 02:54:22,840
Speaker 1: diversity came back, and revenues are generated and family hoars

2771
02:54:22,840 --> 02:54:25,320
Speaker 1: of recreation were generated. And it didn't happen just by

2772
02:54:25,360 --> 02:54:28,200
Speaker 1: buying a hunting license. Now, it happened by lobbying and

2773
02:54:28,280 --> 02:54:30,920
Speaker 1: by showing up at these committee hearings and raising hell

2774
02:54:31,000 --> 02:54:36,640
Speaker 1: and identifying the embarrassment of environmental destruction when you don't

2775
02:54:36,720 --> 02:54:41,840
Speaker 1: harvest responsibly. And so I've seen how just speaking up

2776
02:54:42,240 --> 02:54:45,879
Speaker 1: can change stupid into good. Um. And that's what that's

2777
02:54:45,920 --> 02:54:49,279
Speaker 1: what I've always been involved with. When I see regulations

2778
02:54:49,680 --> 02:54:52,280
Speaker 1: like in Michigan, even if you had to concealed weapons permit,

2779
02:54:52,400 --> 02:54:56,120
Speaker 1: which don't need Ultimately, you don't need a permit from

2780
02:54:56,160 --> 02:54:57,959
Speaker 1: anybody to carry a gun. God gave you the right

2781
02:54:58,040 --> 02:55:00,760
Speaker 1: to keep bear arms. But even if you had a permit,

2782
02:55:00,800 --> 02:55:03,280
Speaker 1: which I did back in the sixties and seventies, you

2783
02:55:03,320 --> 02:55:06,640
Speaker 1: couldn't carry a pistol when you're bow hunting. How do

2784
02:55:06,800 --> 02:55:11,160
Speaker 1: you square that? Since when does self defense have anything

2785
02:55:11,200 --> 02:55:14,880
Speaker 1: to do with recreational concerns? And so I lobbied against that.

2786
02:55:14,959 --> 02:55:17,359
Speaker 1: There were eleven counties in Michigan you couldn't hunt on Sundays.

2787
02:55:17,560 --> 02:55:19,520
Speaker 1: My brain didn't know what to do with this information.

2788
02:55:19,640 --> 02:55:23,800
Speaker 1: Sant just insane, which it is, So I lobby and

2789
02:55:23,840 --> 02:55:27,240
Speaker 1: got those counties legalized. Steve, did you know you must know?

2790
02:55:27,760 --> 02:55:30,560
Speaker 1: In Michigan until nineteen seventy five the government said you

2791
02:55:30,600 --> 02:55:33,440
Speaker 1: can't climb a tree and hunt. What have you gotta be?

2792
02:55:33,840 --> 02:55:36,120
Speaker 1: There's a man in charge of my tree climbing. I

2793
02:55:36,240 --> 02:55:38,840
Speaker 1: want to meet this guy. I'm gonna hire Mike Tyson.

2794
02:55:38,879 --> 02:55:41,240
Speaker 1: Whenever anybody does something stupid, I'm saying, Mike, give that

2795
02:55:41,320 --> 02:55:43,560
Speaker 1: guy one in the throat. Would you just punch him?

2796
02:55:43,959 --> 02:55:49,160
Speaker 1: Because how insane regulating somebody out of a tree? How

2797
02:55:49,240 --> 02:55:53,640
Speaker 1: embarrassing is that? So so yeah, i've i've I like that.

2798
02:55:53,800 --> 02:55:58,480
Speaker 1: You uh, you work within the system often yet by

2799
02:55:58,560 --> 02:56:02,560
Speaker 1: expanding the system to a fluid common sense. But yeah,

2800
02:56:02,720 --> 02:56:07,120
Speaker 1: you but you, uh, half of you rebels against it,

2801
02:56:07,360 --> 02:56:10,520
Speaker 1: behalf of you is very willing to engage in it. Well,

2802
02:56:10,560 --> 02:56:13,280
Speaker 1: I think to get the change you're after, You're like,

2803
02:56:14,200 --> 02:56:15,960
Speaker 1: there's a civil disc you have, you have like a

2804
02:56:16,200 --> 02:56:21,080
Speaker 1: strong civil disobedience vein, Well make it legal. Yeah, but

2805
02:56:21,200 --> 02:56:24,600
Speaker 1: then you also have a policy vein. And I think, uh,

2806
02:56:24,879 --> 02:56:30,480
Speaker 1: the ultimate rebellion is engagement. And again this is an experiment.

2807
02:56:30,600 --> 02:56:33,560
Speaker 1: That's the thing that glues them together. And I think

2808
02:56:33,560 --> 02:56:36,600
Speaker 1: they're one and the same in actual practice. And so

2809
02:56:36,959 --> 02:56:40,040
Speaker 1: when I see stupid, I attack it and I spotlight

2810
02:56:40,440 --> 02:56:43,600
Speaker 1: what makes it stupid, so that people who have accepted

2811
02:56:43,720 --> 02:56:47,360
Speaker 1: stupid finally goes, yeah, that is stupid. You know. You know,

2812
02:56:47,440 --> 02:56:50,120
Speaker 1: Cal spends a good part of his uh personal and

2813
02:56:50,240 --> 02:56:55,439
Speaker 1: professional life cajoling people into engagement. Yes, sometimes it takes advocacy,

2814
02:56:56,800 --> 02:57:00,680
Speaker 1: and all you hear is talk about hunting and politics

2815
02:57:00,720 --> 02:57:05,520
Speaker 1: out of it. It is politics. What the hell you doing?

2816
02:57:05,879 --> 02:57:11,480
Speaker 1: What is more political than hunting regulations? It's so yeah,

2817
02:57:11,760 --> 02:57:13,880
Speaker 1: it's driven me crazy. And that's where you hear the

2818
02:57:14,560 --> 02:57:19,680
Speaker 1: squawking within the industry and Nugent's radical hello of course

2819
02:57:19,760 --> 02:57:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm radical. How dare I experiment self government? That's the

2820
02:57:23,280 --> 02:57:26,199
Speaker 1: most radical thing in the history of the human experience.

2821
02:57:26,320 --> 02:57:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm really swinging over to this uncle Ted Moniker, You

2822
02:57:29,440 --> 02:57:33,600
Speaker 1: Michiganders have, We've got a lot in common. Ted, Well, Ted,

2823
02:57:33,640 --> 02:57:39,400
Speaker 1: you would love his podcast for real. It's information. You

2824
02:57:39,760 --> 02:57:41,920
Speaker 1: don't find me how to access all these things? And

2825
02:57:41,959 --> 02:57:46,840
Speaker 1: now in my spirit, uh campfire, you should witness it's

2826
02:57:46,879 --> 02:57:49,800
Speaker 1: all over the map. It's guitar playing, and it's social stuff.

2827
02:57:49,840 --> 02:57:54,160
Speaker 1: It's silly stuff, it's hardcore stuff. It's condemnation of power

2828
02:57:54,240 --> 02:58:03,480
Speaker 1: abusers and illegitimacy that infests our government. But it's also fun, outrageous, defiant, uninhibited, irreverent,

2829
02:58:04,080 --> 02:58:10,200
Speaker 1: all of my favorite things. Your reverence important. We need

2830
02:58:10,280 --> 02:58:13,240
Speaker 1: to We need a media episode with you two in Michigan.

2831
02:58:13,680 --> 02:58:16,440
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, how about this? Let me leave you with

2832
02:58:16,520 --> 02:58:18,000
Speaker 1: this another one. That's what I gotta leave you with.

2833
02:58:18,120 --> 02:58:19,600
Speaker 1: Can you give us so I don't have to argue

2834
02:58:19,640 --> 02:58:21,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of people? Can you right now give us

2835
02:58:21,560 --> 02:58:24,120
Speaker 1: the verbal okay? Is are you legally allowed to say that?

2836
02:58:24,200 --> 02:58:27,240
Speaker 1: We can close the episode with Fred Bear absolute? In fact,

2837
02:58:27,840 --> 02:58:29,600
Speaker 1: some some annoying person is not going to give us

2838
02:58:30,360 --> 02:58:32,200
Speaker 1: I think you should open it at least with that

2839
02:58:32,360 --> 02:58:37,160
Speaker 1: opening core. That's the altim we recently used it. We

2840
02:58:37,280 --> 02:58:40,080
Speaker 1: do a trivia show and the thing we recently used

2841
02:58:40,120 --> 02:58:42,440
Speaker 1: it a clip on the trivia show. I would use

2842
02:58:42,560 --> 02:58:44,360
Speaker 1: every all of it. But I have a song on

2843
02:58:44,440 --> 02:58:47,800
Speaker 1: the new record called American Campfire and a song called

2844
02:58:48,160 --> 02:58:51,320
Speaker 1: a song called Winter Spring Summer Fall that I'll play

2845
02:58:51,360 --> 02:58:53,720
Speaker 1: it for you, um that it's just beautiful. Have you

2846
02:58:53,760 --> 02:58:57,520
Speaker 1: ever heard my instrumental sunrise? Oh what if that doesn't

2847
02:58:57,680 --> 02:59:01,800
Speaker 1: capture our You're getting to their location and waiting for

2848
02:59:01,920 --> 02:59:05,720
Speaker 1: the life to come alive around us. That only I

2849
02:59:05,879 --> 02:59:09,280
Speaker 1: could have written that, and it was spontaneous. I got

2850
02:59:09,760 --> 02:59:11,959
Speaker 1: Michael LUTs and Ann Arbor had a new recording device.

2851
02:59:12,040 --> 02:59:14,000
Speaker 1: I go, well, I got my six string Fender base here,

2852
02:59:14,240 --> 02:59:16,560
Speaker 1: um here, put a mike in here, let's do this

2853
02:59:17,240 --> 02:59:20,480
Speaker 1: Take one. I made that song out of no that's

2854
02:59:20,480 --> 02:59:22,880
Speaker 1: how fred Bare happened. Take one. I showed it to

2855
02:59:22,920 --> 02:59:26,440
Speaker 1: my guys in between sobbing and we recorded it take one.

2856
02:59:27,800 --> 02:59:30,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, I use that stuff. Use Sunrise. It's a beautiful.

2857
02:59:30,440 --> 02:59:33,760
Speaker 1: It's I'm the only guy who's created really outdoorsy music.

2858
02:59:36,280 --> 02:59:43,800
Speaker 1: That's who else? What other song is outdoors Don't give

2859
02:59:43,800 --> 02:59:47,200
Speaker 1: me This, and there's out Doorsy and then there's a

2860
02:59:47,360 --> 02:59:52,560
Speaker 1: doors and balls Sunrise. Sunrise is a beautiful it's a

2861
02:59:52,640 --> 02:59:55,760
Speaker 1: it's symphonic and winter spring, summer far. I have a

2862
02:59:55,800 --> 02:59:58,080
Speaker 1: song on my last a couple of albums ago called

2863
02:59:59,040 --> 03:00:06,359
Speaker 1: earth Tones that it's just just orchestrated Amboy Duke's Hibernation Migration.

2864
03:00:06,680 --> 03:00:09,360
Speaker 1: Check out the song Migration on the first Amboy Dukes

2865
03:00:09,400 --> 03:00:16,920
Speaker 1: a beautiful instrumental, orchestrated, symphonic, you know, crescendo, here comes

2866
03:00:17,000 --> 03:00:23,879
Speaker 1: the elk. I I unleashed that in my music. I'm

2867
03:00:24,080 --> 03:00:29,240
Speaker 1: very very proud of that. Alright, this is great, deadly

2868
03:00:29,400 --> 03:00:35,960
Speaker 1: you people deserve me. You are special people. Thank you.

2869
03:00:36,280 --> 03:00:38,040
Speaker 1: I've always said, if you're not having fun with me,

2870
03:00:38,120 --> 03:00:57,920
Speaker 1: you're weird. Thank you very much. Thanks. We're at a

2871
03:00:58,000 --> 03:01:00,879
Speaker 1: strangle hold. It's strangles it's Amazon