Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm Devin Simone and I'm Tory Deal and
Speaker 1: this is Empty v's official Challenge Podcast, Episode two. That's right,
Speaker 1: it is the second episode of The Challenge USA two. Ooh,
Speaker 1: this episode was ki yodic, Tory, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 2: I thoughts?
Speaker 3: All right, I need advila immediately, I have Hey, I
Speaker 3: need peppedo bismo because I'm about to ship my pants. Dude,
Speaker 3: I mean give me all open up the medicine cabinet,
Speaker 3: no man, I mean listen.
Speaker 2: It was a lot to watch back. Like, it was packed.
Speaker 2: This episode was packed. There's so much to cover.
Speaker 3: We have the elimination in the beginning, that we have
Speaker 3: the challenge, that we have that deliberation, that we have
Speaker 3: another elimination, Like.
Speaker 2: It's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was totally like And first of all, I
Speaker 1: loved the elimination in the beginning, not the format of
Speaker 1: the elimination being in dginning, but I love the slam dunk.
Speaker 1: I actually thought that one was really kind of fun
Speaker 1: and interesting. And then of course Michelle wins that decides
Speaker 1: to stay with the Red team, which I feel like
Speaker 1: in the past whenever we've seen that people can switch teams.
Speaker 1: I actually feel like usually their first round or second
Speaker 1: round they do stay with the same team. I feel
Speaker 1: like they don't immediately jump ship right off that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's still too early, you know, if you
Speaker 3: want to, like you don't know where people's cards are yet,
Speaker 3: and if you need a team, if it leaves, if
Speaker 3: you leave a team doesn't expose your hand like your team,
Speaker 3: like right, it's kind of a tricky.
Speaker 2: Spot to be in.
Speaker 3: So I think Michelle's staying with Red wasn't a bad idea.
Speaker 3: I also think that Red Team is a good team,
Speaker 3: so I feel like they you know, she'll do some
Speaker 3: damage over there. And obviously it's spicy watching her come
Speaker 3: back in the house because she just had that just
Speaker 3: you know, little argument, little.
Speaker 1: Spicy argument, so super spicy and I love by the way,
Speaker 1: when she went to the Red team, which leads into
Speaker 1: her spicy argument, she goes, I love a good red flag. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm staying with the Red Team, and then we
Speaker 1: cut to her and seeing her fighting about with Amanda
Speaker 1: over BEESSI hilarious. Couldn't have written that if we tried,
Speaker 1: And then we have the next challenge you work in
Speaker 1: the polls, which looked also hilarious, so much commentary. Red
Speaker 1: Team just annihilate. They were terrible, just terrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna sit here and say, uh, and
Speaker 2: you weren't bad because I was trash, Like I was
Speaker 2: so bad. I was so nervous, Like it's so interesting.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you as a competitor, I'll get hit with nerves
Speaker 3: and sometimes I'll feel absolutely nothing.
Speaker 2: I couldn't have been more nervous for the shoddy.
Speaker 1: Were you nervous about this one?
Speaker 2: I think it was because there was a lot of people.
Speaker 3: I like, typically I'm not good at hides over water,
Speaker 3: Like I just know that I'm a land animal.
Speaker 2: I'm not an air animal. I'm not a water animal.
Speaker 2: So like, okay, you guys going into it. I think there.
Speaker 3: And I also, I'm the only girl on my team
Speaker 3: that is a vet with experience. Like on Red Team,
Speaker 3: for example, you have John Ay and then you also
Speaker 3: have oh, I guess Alyssa Lopez was also But anyway,
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, a lot of them looked
Speaker 3: up to me, so I felt a lot.
Speaker 1: Of pressure pressure. Yeah, and shout out by the way
Speaker 1: to Amanda and to Desi. DESI went twice okay and
Speaker 1: got it done. Amanda was the first one on the
Speaker 1: Green Team to get over there. Like Green Team. It
Speaker 1: was weird that there was such a discrepancy between like
Speaker 1: the struggle bus that was Red Team, the struggle bus
Speaker 1: that was Blue even though they got some people on
Speaker 1: and then Green Team basically almost got their whole team
Speaker 1: on board, which is wild.
Speaker 3: It was in that moment when I realized the deal
Speaker 3: we cut with Josh the week before a target was.
Speaker 1: I'm like, exactly, it's at age twelve, Josh, and when
Speaker 1: that's where she knew she in that moment, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not kidding Ice. I talked.
Speaker 3: I pitched Red Team to my team so hard and
Speaker 3: was like, oh gosh, yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, but you win some, you lose some. In
Speaker 1: this case, you lost some and you got voted in
Speaker 1: because they both and poor Wes tried tried West And
Speaker 1: by the way, I love the West Nanas. I love
Speaker 1: this little like camaraderie, love hate. I think it's really cute.
Speaker 1: I love it. It is great.
Speaker 2: It is special, especially watching them together.
Speaker 3: They're so salt and pepper, like they're so different, they
Speaker 3: couldn't be more different, but like they're family.
Speaker 1: It's like you said, you know, yeah, and then they're
Speaker 1: both like hilarious and very smart and yeah, I just
Speaker 1: their energy and it was really cute. Wes really tried
Speaker 1: tried to save you guys, did not work. So you
Speaker 1: guys are voted in, and then the Hopper select John
Speaker 1: Ay because there were five votes for Johnnay, which is
Speaker 1: also wild. So then we have you versus Johnny and
Speaker 1: elimination which just to lose, lose, not for the rookies tho,
Speaker 1: it's a win win for them.
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, yeah, and I think that that's what
Speaker 3: annoyed me the most about it, is like, damn, they
Speaker 3: really played us at our own game, Like, not only
Speaker 3: am I going into elimination against my friend in something physical,
Speaker 3: I couldn't have done anything to stop it if I
Speaker 3: wanted to.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, it was a very much Jesus take
Speaker 2: the wheel.
Speaker 1: Moment for me. Yeah. I actually have to say, like
Speaker 1: a round of applause to the rookies for that. It
Speaker 1: was well orchestrated. That level of unity right there was
Speaker 1: actually beautiful to see. Especially not only was the level unity,
Speaker 1: I don't think we heard a peep from any of
Speaker 1: the dudes. I think every time we really saw like
Speaker 1: leadership or decisive decision. It was the women. I'm talking
Speaker 1: the Daisy's, even the Kayla's, the Tiffanies like, yes, ladies,
Speaker 1: yet that is how you do it if you're gonna
Speaker 1: take somebody out, you see. It was the ladies were like, nah,
Speaker 1: we got like yes to you all. Yes. Even though
Speaker 1: I love the bets, I don't mind them getting their
Speaker 1: butt whooped occasionally, but.
Speaker 2: How you do it?
Speaker 1: And these ladies executed it very very well because you guess,
Speaker 1: like you said, there was nothing you could do to
Speaker 1: stop it.
Speaker 3: Really, dude, don't don't hate the player, hate the game.
Speaker 3: You know, everyone's in there with their own motive. I'd
Speaker 3: be naive to think I'm walking into a game after
Speaker 3: I made it to the last three finals.
Speaker 2: I've been I'm a challenge champion. Why would they want
Speaker 2: me to go far?
Speaker 1: And I'm not naive.
Speaker 3: I don't expect anything from anybody, so I can one
Speaker 3: hundred percent give them their props where it's deserved.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't make me feel good about, you know,
Speaker 2: going up here, Johnny, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's not good for your game. Also, I think it's
Speaker 1: a testament. What's interesting is like previously when we had rookies.
Speaker 1: There was a lack of I don't see a lack
Speaker 1: of confidence because that's not quite the right like terminology,
Speaker 1: but there was a you know, uncertainty I feel like
Speaker 1: coming in the house, even when we saw them come
Speaker 1: from like Big Brother and other teams, but something about
Speaker 1: this particular cast in this season there seems to be
Speaker 1: a certainty and a confidence. And it helps that some
Speaker 1: of these Big Brother players, the Tier players have played
Speaker 1: on at least once. They played on USA season one,
Speaker 1: so this they've gotten at least one chance to like
Speaker 1: try it out, feel it out, all of that. But
Speaker 1: they're coming with like this confidence that I think just
Speaker 1: allows them to move in whatever way. And they really
Speaker 1: got y'all tripping of yourself. I mean, Johnay's over here,
Speaker 1: you know, voting diabolically. You're out here going against your
Speaker 1: vestie and picking a bed next to Amanda. Y'all losing
Speaker 1: your minds. I'd say that it wasn't great. We weren't
Speaker 1: doing well losing their minds. We'll see if it changes.
Speaker 1: And then we get the defection introduced right where you
Speaker 1: can switch teams, which is wild. We find out about
Speaker 1: Tory's love story this season, we get hints of that, yeah,
Speaker 1: season with it.
Speaker 3: I just want to say this, guys, remember when you
Speaker 3: watch the show, you're watching months ago, and uh so
Speaker 3: that's what I want to do.
Speaker 1: Any spoilers about your relationship satutory, We're going to follow.
Speaker 2: That with no no spoilers.
Speaker 3: I just want to let remind everybody this is all
Speaker 3: from the past, and everything is all awesome and dandy, but.
Speaker 2: Like you know, just enjoy it for what it is.
Speaker 1: I said the same thing about Battle of the Season Storia.
Speaker 1: All right, so let's do before we get into this
Speaker 1: fabulous interview that we have you guys, of course, we've
Speaker 1: got to do a gold star episode in our time
Speaker 1: out of the episode tour. Who is your Let's start
Speaker 1: with the timeout this time, and then we'll go to
Speaker 1: your gold star. There's your time out?
Speaker 2: My god, my time out? Oh god, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess what should be a gold star, but then
Speaker 3: turned into a time out. I would say was Wes
Speaker 3: because he thought he was. He gave it a whole
Speaker 3: speech from his heart, and then it was like, so,
Speaker 3: I think in honor of him trying, he kind of
Speaker 3: deserves both the gold star, and then he got stiff
Speaker 3: armed with a timeout from his team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can see that. I can totally see that.
Speaker 1: For me, my time out is going to go. And look,
Speaker 1: I understand why this person, Like I get it's their
Speaker 1: persona and a lot of great shows, have you know.
Speaker 1: I once met Omerosa actually, and Omerosa's notoriously like a
Speaker 1: reality show villain. And when I met her, this was
Speaker 1: several years ago after my Real World season. She's so sweet.
Speaker 1: She was so sweet and so smart. And then I
Speaker 1: had to interview her for something and like that was
Speaker 1: being filmed, and again she was so sweet, so smart.
Speaker 1: She actually hooked me up with the publicist like she
Speaker 1: was great, Like I was actually shocked that she was
Speaker 1: just so wonderful and kind. And then when we had
Speaker 1: to do this interview thing and the camp, the minute
Speaker 1: the camera turned on, that villain side that you've ever
Speaker 1: seen of her was there, and I was just sort
Speaker 1: of amazed but also like shocked by Like I didn't
Speaker 1: take it personally. It was just weird, this switch of
Speaker 1: like oh wow, like but you're not, Like it was
Speaker 1: just weird, and I feel like this person was doing
Speaker 1: that and I'd like to see a little more authenticity,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like so my time I was going
Speaker 1: to Amanda. I feel like she feels like and this
Speaker 1: is just my guess that she needs to be this
Speaker 1: villain to like stand out or be relevant. But the
Speaker 1: reality is, I actually think Amanda is very funny, and
Speaker 1: I feel like if you are as you know, Michelle
Speaker 1: called her a what did she call her a chihuahua,
Speaker 1: and she said it very funny chihuahua. But anyway, I
Speaker 1: feel like, if your game is as tough as it
Speaker 1: is and it's supposed to be, I mean props to her.
Speaker 1: She got on the platform first out of anybody, then
Speaker 1: you don't have to bark all the time, like sometimes
Speaker 1: the power comes from you being confident enough to move
Speaker 1: in silence. And so I didn't love seeing her play
Speaker 1: into this crazy villain role, only because the Amanda I
Speaker 1: personally met actually isn't that wasn't that villain and like
Speaker 1: that bad And so I'd love to get to see
Speaker 1: more of all the sides of her than just this
Speaker 1: like mauthy yay, yay, you lost thing. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's gonna come back to haunt her.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I don't know what happens in
Speaker 1: the season, but it's just I feel like there's more
Speaker 1: to you than that, so like, let's see more of
Speaker 1: you than that. And then my gold star, you know
Speaker 1: a couple of an honorable mention is TJ's beard. I
Speaker 1: feel like there was a thing going on this time.
Speaker 1: If you guys look, it's like dark on the side.
Speaker 1: He's doing something with the beard and I like it.
Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, against it. He looked good in
Speaker 1: that Carhart jacket. And then my other gold star is
Speaker 1: actually going to go to you and John Ay, both
Speaker 1: of you, because even though you sure as hell did
Speaker 1: body slam Johnny several times in that game, the way
Speaker 1: you guys handled it, the way you guys went in
Speaker 1: as fighters, like I couldn't be more proud to even
Speaker 1: just share a space with you guys, Like, honestly, I
Speaker 1: thought it was so moving and so well done, and
Speaker 1: the way you rooted for each other at the end,
Speaker 1: not even what we didn't get to see, which keep listening, guys,
Speaker 1: because you'll get some insight into what happened that you
Speaker 1: didn't get see on camera, but even what we did
Speaker 1: get to see, and the way that you hugged afterwards,
Speaker 1: the way that John A was like you better, like,
Speaker 1: you know, win this for me, and you were like
Speaker 1: I got you, Like I just thought that was such
Speaker 1: a special moment. So you both get f spars.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Devin, thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, she is an incredible soul.
Speaker 3: I feel like, what an opening to a season in
Speaker 3: a way. You know, on this second episode, you have
Speaker 3: two eliminations and three challenge veterans are in these eliminations,
Speaker 3: Yeahelle being in the first one, John Ay and myself
Speaker 3: in the second one, and like, talk about starting this
Speaker 3: entire season off with like.
Speaker 1: A yeah, a bang right, it's a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 3: And the one thing I can say about it is,
Speaker 3: you know, it seems like the CVS Titans don't want
Speaker 3: us on their show, but they're sure as hell giving
Speaker 3: it to us because.
Speaker 1: They're making it about us. You know, yeah, thanks.
Speaker 3: For allowing us on your networking, giving us all some
Speaker 3: biting words here us.
Speaker 1: It's a little right, Still, I like it. I like it. Look,
Speaker 1: it may be on their network, but it was our
Speaker 1: house first. There was our house. So it really is
Speaker 1: the battle And I think this season is going to
Speaker 1: be so fun to watch You guys, something else. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be so fun this of interview. Do you want
Speaker 1: to give them some hints, toy so they can kind
Speaker 1: of guess? No, no hints.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, no hens amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean it's also going to be named in this
Speaker 1: podcast episode, so we're like hyping up like it's a secret.
Speaker 1: And seriously, when you guys clicked play, you already saw
Speaker 1: who our yuest was. But that's okay, let us live
Speaker 1: in our own little world. But we're excited. I know
Speaker 1: you just heard from her when we did the rewatch
Speaker 1: of free Agents, but I'm telling you you will not
Speaker 1: want to miss this interview. There is so much you
Speaker 1: get and both ladies share a lot of behind the
Speaker 1: scenes stuff that we didn't even know. So if you
Speaker 1: want to be a real challenge icon and nowhere evolving,
Speaker 1: you're definitely gonna want to stay tuned for this interview.
Speaker 1: So grab a snack, take a potty break, you can
Speaker 1: take us with us. Just make sure you wash your hands,
Speaker 1: and we will be right back after this with the amazing.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna say, John Amnion.
Speaker 2: Yes, bring her on.
Speaker 1: They are a five time podcast guests. I mean that's
Speaker 1: probably the most impressive stat Honestly, they've done ten seasons
Speaker 1: of the Challenge, two time champion. They their Real World
Speaker 1: season debuted right after My Real World season, and they
Speaker 1: are just an all around icon and legend. Please give
Speaker 1: it up for the champion.
Speaker 4: John Nay Wheah, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's been so long since we've talked
Speaker 1: to you, as in last season the Challenge podcast.
Speaker 4: I know people are gonna stuck getting sick of me.
Speaker 3: No, never gets sick of you, That's impossible. I'm just
Speaker 3: thankful that literally you you're so sweet and you don't
Speaker 3: hate me. I watched that back and I just want
Speaker 3: to absolutely vomit.
Speaker 1: I still can stach.
Speaker 4: Dude, Oh can I just tell you before before, right
Speaker 4: before we went in, I remember clear day, You're like,
Speaker 4: so what do we do? Do we like give it
Speaker 4: at all? This is a really this is really messed
Speaker 4: up situation, and you know, and I'm just like, listen,
Speaker 4: we came here for a reason. You did too, Like,
Speaker 4: do not hold back nothing like you. I know you
Speaker 4: feel bad. You feel bad because your heart is like
Speaker 4: my friend, but like, yeah, hey you just got to,
Speaker 4: like you know, use this energy now, channel it. You
Speaker 4: know if you're pissed Sauce that that happened, then both
Speaker 4: like the house on fire.
Speaker 2: That's what I did.
Speaker 3: I literally screwup walked back in the house and you'll
Speaker 3: see next week, and I.
Speaker 2: Was like, Johnny's blood's on your hands. I went in
Speaker 2: there and I really lit it up.
Speaker 3: Like I'm not sure what they're going to show, but
Speaker 3: I was, man, that was that was so so rough.
Speaker 3: But before we even get into that tragic part of it,
Speaker 3: let's just talk about the beginning of this episode. Like,
Speaker 3: I mean, it started off with an elimination and with
Speaker 3: an elimination.
Speaker 1: So it started to show with Johnny's diabolical era. Can
Speaker 1: we just sell into.
Speaker 4: Then what Devin? I had to google diabolical because of you,
Speaker 4: But now I get it. Yeah, I don't know what
Speaker 4: Let's just yeah, we should start with the why why
Speaker 4: did I vote? Michelle? And you know, I've since I've
Speaker 4: been home from Croatia, been sitting and thinking the same thing,
Speaker 4: right thinking. But to be honest, you know, you want
Speaker 4: to know what it is, Okay, So I just when
Speaker 4: once TJ told us what the game one, once you
Speaker 4: told us that there were three different teams, I think
Speaker 4: everybody was playing, you know, like, okay, it's the Red
Speaker 4: team versus the Blue team verus Green team. My mind
Speaker 4: automatically just starts spinning, and I'm like, there's so many
Speaker 4: layers to this. There's you know, the team thing. There's
Speaker 4: the past relationships, you know that the Great tex There's
Speaker 4: the fact that there's Big Brother here, there's Survivor here.
Speaker 4: And I was just I was thinking so far ahead
Speaker 4: that I already knew, like right away that I was outnumbered. Okay,
Speaker 4: so it's like, you know, six of us right being
Speaker 4: you know, the people they brought in from the challenge,
Speaker 4: and there's eighteen other people. And I already knew. I
Speaker 4: already knew right away once I knew the game was
Speaker 4: what it was, that it was going to be an
Speaker 4: uphold battle. So I knew that I was either going
Speaker 4: to be going into elimination every time. I knew that
Speaker 4: the common goal that the eighteen other people there had
Speaker 4: was to get us out. So I was trying to
Speaker 4: figure out, like, Okay, how can I navigate this to
Speaker 4: like make it work in my favor? And so I
Speaker 4: wasn't thinking teams when I, you know, initially made that vote.
Speaker 4: I was trying to think of, like, you know, how
Speaker 4: can I gain trust with all these people I just met?
Speaker 1: But why was Shelle specifically or like how do you
Speaker 1: feel like that played into Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, So I looked at the two big groups.
Speaker 4: I think there were like nine Big Brother people and like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, seven or eight survivors. And I was
Speaker 4: pretty cool with some of the Big Brother people already,
Speaker 4: you know, one being to me, which now I you know,
Speaker 4: figured out that that was she didn't vote for me,
Speaker 4: but was well aware of what was going on, you know,
Speaker 4: playing game obviously, so kudos to her. But you know,
Speaker 4: Josh was on my TEAMFESSI was her roommate. I was
Speaker 4: kind of cool with Alissa l like, you know, and
Speaker 4: so I was trying to figure out how do I
Speaker 4: like gain favor with like these Big Brother players, you know,
Speaker 4: And I think that there was a certain point at
Speaker 4: the beginning, Tory. I don't know if you remember this,
Speaker 4: but you and I were like, okay, so they're all
Speaker 4: coming after us, like everybody here. Their only goal is
Speaker 4: to get you know, you me or Amanda out what
Speaker 4: can we do, like trying to strategize, and you know,
Speaker 4: she had already had you know, hit it off with
Speaker 4: some of the Survivor people and had you know, them
Speaker 4: on her team, and so I was like, Okay, I'll
Speaker 4: kind of like get in with some of the big
Speaker 4: brother people and you know, hopefully, you know, with you
Speaker 4: on that side, me on this side, we'll kind of
Speaker 4: like figure it out.
Speaker 1: Yah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And which is why in the first vote, in
Speaker 3: our first Blue team vote, we put in Amira and
Speaker 3: only because she was Big brother and like we were
Speaker 3: trying to steer away from Survivor girls because I was
Speaker 3: trying to get in with the Survivors while Johnny's trying
Speaker 3: to get in with the big brothers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you feel bad at all?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely so. I Mean that's the thing that about
Speaker 4: this game. It was so random, and it was one
Speaker 4: of those things that's like you have to vote for somebody, right,
Speaker 4: and no matter who you vote for, there's going to
Speaker 4: be repercussion. So for me, I'm like, I'm going to
Speaker 4: vote for someone, and you know, my only strategy at
Speaker 4: this point is I looked at the Survivor of people, right,
Speaker 4: and I just knew as a group collectively that they
Speaker 4: weren't you know, boasting like, oh, we're strong we're Survivors strong.
Speaker 4: They weren't going around the house that way. They were
Speaker 4: very much you know, not behind closed doors, but just
Speaker 4: very craft see what you're doing. And I was just like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna look at the Survivor girls and out of
Speaker 4: you know, who do we have? We have MICHAELA, we
Speaker 4: have DESI, we have Michelle. I just I felt like
Speaker 4: Michelle was my best choice.
Speaker 1: And did you expect them? I know, I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm integeting, but I'm just so curious, especially from the
Speaker 1: John A that I know, the John A who's been
Speaker 1: on this podcast five times like you are one. Just
Speaker 1: the evolution of your gameplay, right when we think back
Speaker 1: to you years ago, where I feel like you were
Speaker 1: pretty straightforward, you kind of wore your heart on your sleeve.
Speaker 1: You like that was you sometimes would put others before
Speaker 1: yourself whenever competing. And then now I even think this elimination,
Speaker 1: which we'll get to, is really just kind of like
Speaker 1: I feel like it was an epic elimination. I know
Speaker 1: it was like painful in a lot of ways because
Speaker 1: you guys are friends, but I think for both of
Speaker 1: you it actually was like beautiful to wat like I
Speaker 1: think it was really cool and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: lessons to be learned from it, just even as a viewer,
Speaker 1: but seeing like the sort of heart on your sleeve,
Speaker 1: innocent Johnni to this really coming in Crafty and we
Speaker 1: got a glimpse of that with the Kelly Anne thing
Speaker 1: in past seasons, even like what is happening listen.
Speaker 4: Sweet baby job Okay, listen, I walk into the house
Speaker 4: and I'm like, Okay, throw your heart out the window. Okay,
Speaker 4: whatever happens, don't think about your feelings that that is,
Speaker 4: you know has been my fault in the past. And
Speaker 4: then like I kid you not, I had a notebook, okay,
Speaker 4: and I wrote every team out and I wrote it
Speaker 4: by team, and then I wrote I color coordinated it,
Speaker 4: like what teams like, you know, this person's on the
Speaker 4: green team, this person's connected to this whatever. And I
Speaker 4: purely when I when I strategize in the game now,
Speaker 4: I just think about it. I think about it numerically,
Speaker 4: and I just figured out, okay, what you know, what
Speaker 4: does everybody have in common, and who's tied to who?
Speaker 4: And what is my best way to break somebody who
Speaker 4: has a lot of time? And so for me, it
Speaker 4: was like I was putting a risk obviously voting for Michelle,
Speaker 4: voting for my own teamate, But if it had turned
Speaker 4: out in my favor, it's like gambling. If it had
Speaker 4: turned out in my favor with Michelle gone, it bettered
Speaker 4: my chances down the road. Yep, That's how I felt.
Speaker 4: And whether I vocalized that to other people in the house,
Speaker 4: because those people are playing their own deals, right, you know,
Speaker 4: And I mean I think it's my fatal flaw honestly
Speaker 4: now in this in this new version of myself playing,
Speaker 4: I think I think too strategically, I think too far ahead,
Speaker 4: and I end up getting myself in trouble.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can see what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Because right now, the game was simple. It's very simple.
Speaker 4: It's like you have your team and then you have
Speaker 4: you got to start making connections. For me, I'm like,
Speaker 4: how can I, you know, blow up to get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, where's the map to the final? What
Speaker 1: is TJ going to be wearing on the last day?
Speaker 1: But you're like on day one when you're thinking, like
Speaker 1: is going to be in the final Challenge house? Like what?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like you got to get there, yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: And it's like the biggest lesson learn of what I
Speaker 4: could take from this is like, stay in the presence,
Speaker 4: don't try to outsmart and out let people be there
Speaker 4: in the moment in the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, especially because so much changes for you guys,
Speaker 1: For both of you, I feel like the ability to
Speaker 1: be nimble, and I feel like that's what the newbies
Speaker 1: are most afraid of with you guys in this season
Speaker 1: is not only do you guys come with a certain
Speaker 1: level of expertise, Like we saw Banana's coaching, which actually
Speaker 1: was a sweet It's one of the things I love
Speaker 1: about Nanner's as much as I tease him, like that
Speaker 1: is deep down in his core, like when it comes
Speaker 1: time to step up, I've seen so many instances of
Speaker 1: him helping you know what, like sort of coaching at
Speaker 1: you if you will, which I love about him. But
Speaker 1: it's also you all's ability to be nimble. That's what
Speaker 1: makes you guys great competitors, is because no matter what's
Speaker 1: thrown at you, you're able to quickly adapt and be like,
Speaker 1: all right, this is the new game plan or this
Speaker 1: is how I have to do that, And that's intimidating
Speaker 1: for people who've never quite had to move like that
Speaker 1: and you guys.
Speaker 3: Are Yeah, and even if we don't know what we're doing,
Speaker 3: we go in with more confidence. It's just like because
Speaker 3: we've seen some type of variation of it, so it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: like I might not degree like with the with the lollipops,
Speaker 3: with the actual challenge, like I bet on that like
Speaker 3: whatever we call them, like they look like upside down
Speaker 3: location pins they do. Yeah, that's all I could think
Speaker 3: about when I saw it. But like even on that challenge,
Speaker 3: like I should the bed, Johnny, you felt pretty early too,
Speaker 3: like were they to be good at some step?
Speaker 2: It was slippery? Yeah, So it was just it was
Speaker 2: just like.
Speaker 3: With a lot of people going at one time, somebody
Speaker 3: would be going for your thing, like okay, yeah it was.
Speaker 2: It was that day was crazy.
Speaker 3: Also, can we talk about how just to touch on
Speaker 3: that challenge, we took a nap midway through that challenge,
Speaker 3: remember when we all we because so what happened is
Speaker 3: they set it up, the storm came in. They said
Speaker 3: they put us in, they put us inside. We all
Speaker 3: were so tired before our round went, we were exhaust fused.
Speaker 3: Like I don't even remember competing because it was such
Speaker 3: a blur of a day.
Speaker 2: We were all just so tired.
Speaker 1: Tired from like going out the night before something or
Speaker 1: what we we.
Speaker 3: I think we partied the night before, but then also
Speaker 3: I think because we got up so early and then
Speaker 3: we were waiting around for like seven hours to compete.
Speaker 2: Like the adrenaline spike was just crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, it was whatever.
Speaker 4: Take naps when you're on the lounge, that's my That's
Speaker 4: rather best advice tip I can give to anybody. Don't
Speaker 4: take naps or do no, don't don't. Yeah, just throws
Speaker 4: me off. No. For me, it's like I go take
Speaker 4: a nap and then I wake up and then I'm
Speaker 4: the person voted in happened on Free Agents, happened on
Speaker 4: this one. I won't forget. Like Corey, I'm like, man,
Speaker 4: I feel weird, like nobody's talking. I feel really you
Speaker 4: know positive today the day that I went home, you know,
Speaker 4: and I'm just like so weird. And He's like, you know, Johnny,
Speaker 4: anytime I've ever had that feeling, it's like it's time
Speaker 4: you got to go have those conversations. I'm like, no,
Speaker 4: I think I'm goen. I go take a nap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't sleep you don't sleep on the challenge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, don't sleep, don't don't.
Speaker 3: Be So the day that the Red Team was having
Speaker 3: their meeting trying to figure out which one of their
Speaker 3: teams voted for their own You don't know that they
Speaker 3: were doing that meeting.
Speaker 4: No, listen another thing, don't take a nap, right, So
Speaker 4: that that Red No, that's what I was trying to
Speaker 4: get to. So the Red Team, that meeting that they had,
Speaker 4: which I wasn't there for, that was after the elimination,
Speaker 4: after Amanda and Michelle had their whole blow up. And
Speaker 4: I remember during that blow up, I was like, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go downstairs. I got to get out of here. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And I went down to my room. I was so
Speaker 4: tired from first of all, it's like freezing in Croatia
Speaker 4: during at the beginning, and I was just like, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go to sleep because it's like two in the morning, right.
Speaker 4: So I go to sleep, and I remember like Tiffany
Speaker 4: coming into the room. She's like, hey, John, Ay, like
Speaker 4: Red teams having a meeting right now. And I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm going to vat you guys, like it's time to
Speaker 4: go to sleep, you know. So then I go to sleep,
Speaker 4: and then they're having this meeting. They're like, who's the
Speaker 4: one person who's not there?
Speaker 1: Do you if you were in that meeting, would you
Speaker 1: have would you have lied and said you didn't vote
Speaker 1: for Michelle? Like, if you had attended that meeting, that.
Speaker 4: Would have been very hard for me to do. If
Speaker 4: they would appoint Blank said like john A, did you
Speaker 4: vote for Michelle? I would have been like, knowing myself,
Speaker 4: I'd probably have been like, guys, yeah it was me.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what I was thinking, did you expect them to
Speaker 1: meetia out so quickly the number because I was surprised
Speaker 1: that they like, yeah.
Speaker 4: Here's another here's another fatal mistake I made. I made
Speaker 4: a lot of them during the season the short time
Speaker 4: out there. But I forget and you know, I've never
Speaker 4: really been a Survivor fan or big brother. I've never
Speaker 4: really seen these shows. Right when I came back, I
Speaker 4: watched them all, you know, but their whole game and
Speaker 4: Survivor is to count the votes. Know which side of
Speaker 4: the book? No, who's voting for who? Okay, I forgot
Speaker 4: that this is who I'm playing with, right so and
Speaker 4: they show it immediately. Michelle is just like how are
Speaker 4: their nine votes going this way? And she was before
Speaker 4: the elimination, she was like, you know, getting in, getting
Speaker 4: ready for the elimation. She was telling the vote and
Speaker 4: that was that was a mistake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good point. Good point.
Speaker 4: Survivors, man, they be surviving.
Speaker 2: It was like we were playing the challenge, but we weren't.
Speaker 3: And I think you can agree to this, like we
Speaker 3: were playing with a different breed, a different caliber of reality.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying better, I'm just saying different of reality.
Speaker 4: Of reality are strategic. That that's all they rely on.
Speaker 4: They don't have daily challenges, they don't have elimination. When
Speaker 4: you vote somebody out, they go home. So their only
Speaker 4: thing is they focus on these numbers and who's doing what,
Speaker 4: and they're way better at that than exactly.
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you this is getting good by
Speaker 1: Jo and see that coming. We'll be right back after this.
Speaker 2: I mean this episode it was intense.
Speaker 3: It was full of the argument in the beginning between
Speaker 3: Amanda and Michelle and then like everything that led up
Speaker 3: to us going into elimination, and I feel like, and can.
Speaker 1: We rewind back to that, by the way, And I know,
Speaker 1: I know, because we have to keep it. We have
Speaker 1: to keep John Nay, you were there, so you're gonna
Speaker 1: be the witness now you mentioned yeah, and then you
Speaker 1: were like, let's dip. Okay, what is this energy that's
Speaker 1: coming this Amanda Michelle feed. So for those who don't know,
Speaker 1: it did start with Beessi, because Michelle and Fessi was
Speaker 1: its Spies, Lies and Allies that they first kind of
Speaker 1: got together. Because actually at the Aftermath you guys, I
Speaker 1: told you before. If you go back and watch the episode,
Speaker 1: you can see that they were sitting next to each
Speaker 1: other and they tried to deny that they were a thing,
Speaker 1: but me being nosy, we pressed them on. It turns
Speaker 1: out they were a thing and they were hanging out
Speaker 1: in the hotel room. Anyway, go to YouTube you can
Speaker 1: totally get But on that same season of Aftermath It Spies,
Speaker 1: Lies and Challenge, Spies, Lines and Allies, we hear that
Speaker 1: Amanda and Bessie had sort of been a thing, and
Speaker 1: then of course we know that Tory had a little
Speaker 1: bit of a thing with Bessie also took vacation together.
Speaker 1: Were they together? Were they not together? Okay, now you're
Speaker 1: caught up, So.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now listen, I Devin, before I go to so
Speaker 4: much challenge. I need to call you and be like, hey,
Speaker 4: I hear these people are going and I need the background.
Speaker 4: I did not do my homework a change, So what
Speaker 4: thing happens with with Amanda and Michelle?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: And I could I couldn't be live. I was standing
Speaker 4: there like with popcorn for two seconds. I was just like,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, this is all happening. And then of
Speaker 4: course I like run downstairs because I'm like, okay, this
Speaker 4: is getting scared. Yeah, like I'm gonna go downstairs. But
Speaker 4: I had no idea. This is my first time meeting Amanda. Okay,
Speaker 4: I thought she was really nice, you know when I
Speaker 4: met her at the airport, and she is she's nice.
Speaker 1: That's the thing about Amanda.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when it comes to the challenge, like it just
Speaker 4: it gets Yeah she said it. She's like, you don't
Speaker 4: want the smoke, Like I would definitely need one of
Speaker 4: those people, Like, yeah, I don't, I don't want any
Speaker 4: of this smoke, Like who are you voting for? You're
Speaker 4: voting for Michelle Cool, I'm gonna I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 1: But can she back it up? And then I don't
Speaker 1: know yet. And this is generally genuinely a question. And
Speaker 1: that is the thing about Amanda because when she was
Speaker 1: on Aftermath, she actually is lovely and fun and sweet
Speaker 1: and I bet a really awesome mom and like all
Speaker 1: those things. But then she like pop when it comes
Speaker 1: to the show, she like pops off at the mouth
Speaker 1: in a way that I just don't understand personally.
Speaker 4: And that's okay, get it, Nand yeah, I didn't get it.
Speaker 4: I didn't when when I, you know, came into this,
Speaker 4: I didn't know that Tory and amandad and like each other.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that all. Like I remember being in
Speaker 4: my room and after you know, I went down and
Speaker 4: hit there. And remember if Betty like walking, I'm like,
Speaker 4: what did you do? All these girls.
Speaker 1: I know I were people, were people giving. Because here's
Speaker 1: the other thing that I find. I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: sort of like a social experiment because you have these
Speaker 1: girls was literally fighting over FESSI And look, Fessel is great.
Speaker 1: Is he great enough to be acting a fool on
Speaker 1: national and international television? You know, that's for you to decide.
Speaker 1: My answer probably no, But he's great. But it's interesting
Speaker 1: that the girls are going at it well, Amanda and
Speaker 1: Michelle and like kind of creating this thing around themselves. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the dude who caused all of this, right, like the
Speaker 1: guy who went from person to person is just like
Speaker 1: sit back in the background being like I'm not in it,
Speaker 1: Like I don't was he catching any smoke in the
Speaker 1: house at all from this drama?
Speaker 4: Like where other I think he was desperately trying hard
Speaker 4: not to catch any smoke. Yeah, I think that who
Speaker 4: he was before was like a different version of ye
Speaker 4: now where he is like he's in a relationship, he's
Speaker 4: not trying to Like, yeah, he's a lot different than
Speaker 4: I thought that he would be. This is my first
Speaker 4: time as well, but he's so much more quiet and
Speaker 4: so much more reserved, very similar not not to me,
Speaker 4: but like how I am where I'm not really very
Speaker 4: good with my words, Like that's what gets me in
Speaker 4: trouble is when I actually try to explain myself.
Speaker 1: I think that's true. But a lot of these challenges,
Speaker 1: at least at least the bets because the newbies are new,
Speaker 1: and we'll learn that when we have them on the podcast,
Speaker 1: but they're the characters that you see there. There are
Speaker 1: some that when you see them on the show, it's
Speaker 1: very much them and look, I always say everybody should
Speaker 1: be held accountable for what they say or doing the
Speaker 1: show because you said it or did it, so like
Speaker 1: it is what it is. But then there are others
Speaker 1: where when not in a group setting, they're actually pretty
Speaker 1: chill or like pretty quiet, even like Josh a little right,
Speaker 1: like Josh is like pretty easy going and just like
Speaker 1: super easy going, so like lovable and kind of like,
Speaker 1: I mean, he did look like a candle on this
Speaker 1: daily challenge, as Banana said, Banana City looked like a
Speaker 1: melted candle when he was sliding off the bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like this environment really pushes people to
Speaker 3: the limit, you know. I mean, like think about what
Speaker 3: it requires. You have to be mentally stable. You have
Speaker 3: to be a fun partier. You have made people feel
Speaker 3: warm and excited. You can't be paranoid, but you have
Speaker 3: to stay on guard just in case. Like you can't
Speaker 3: be overly confident, but you can't be you know, too afraid.
Speaker 2: You can't be too vulnerable.
Speaker 3: Like it's just like you have to be so perfectly
Speaker 3: evenly keeled and you're not always going to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, with little sleep, little comforts, sharing about people,
Speaker 1: you know, all of that.
Speaker 3: Yeahah, exactly exactly. Some people thrive in that environment. Though,
Speaker 3: Like in this episode, I feel like Tiffany really showed
Speaker 3: her strength of politicking and how she was able to
Speaker 3: navigate a lot of those conversations, which is not something
Speaker 3: I felt about her in the house. Interesting is interesting,
Speaker 3: like she is such a natural way of doing it.
Speaker 3: And I say this as a compliment because she's on
Speaker 3: again show, you know what I mean, Like, even if
Speaker 3: she wants to about me, Tiffany, even if you want
Speaker 3: to get me out, I still like you, dude, you're
Speaker 3: still fucking funny, because she has a good way about her. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she's got such a great way about her, in such
Speaker 3: a good spirit. I do think it's like a combination
Speaker 3: of who she is naturally as well as her She.
Speaker 4: Did not say my name, and she also orchestrated everyone
Speaker 4: else saying name, but I could still stay faith.
Speaker 1: It's what Theresa tried to do when we did the
Speaker 1: Free Agents rewatch to Laurel but failed miserably. Is what
Speaker 1: Tiffany managed to do successfully. Like that's how it is done.
Speaker 1: What did you guys think? And I don't like, I know,
Speaker 1: we're kind of jumping around, but this reason because Tiffany
Speaker 1: also said, and this is speaks to kind of the
Speaker 1: beauty of the two of you going against each other.
Speaker 1: So they seemed really shocked that Torri, you were going
Speaker 1: all in. They felt like you were going really hard
Speaker 1: on Johnny, right, And it seemed like none of the
Speaker 1: vets actually seemed that shocked, but the rookies did. And
Speaker 1: then Tiffany made a comment saying like, that's not your
Speaker 1: friend talking about you to john because you're going so harsh. Johnny,
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear what you feel about that, and Tori,
Speaker 1: and then I'd love to hear your take on that too.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing, like, well, like I said right before,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm upset, obviously Tory is upset. She's just like,
Speaker 4: you know, what do we do, like basically saying I
Speaker 4: don't want to hurt you coming, But I was just like, no, listen,
Speaker 4: we got to give it. Are all like we are here,
Speaker 4: both here for a reason. Don't you dare set aside
Speaker 4: like you know anything? And that's what winners and competitors have,
Speaker 4: They have that flip of the switch. It's game time now.
Speaker 4: I remember like walking by and I was like, mentally
Speaker 4: preparing myself. West says all right, you know, like get
Speaker 4: in the game whatever, and I was like, no, I'm good,
Speaker 4: Like I said it to him, because in that moment,
Speaker 4: a competitors only saying when it's you know, fight or flight, yep, right,
Speaker 4: you know, and we both did it. And yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean physical aimations, aren't you know, my biggest strength. I
Speaker 4: gave it my all and square. I think I access
Speaker 4: so much to you as like a competitor and as
Speaker 4: a friend. Though for you to be like I feel
Speaker 4: so bad, don't feel bad for a second, Like I said,
Speaker 4: channel that, go back in the house and light that
Speaker 4: shit on fire, because that is if I'm going to
Speaker 4: go home, at least take this and play with a purpose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I and I did.
Speaker 3: And I'm telling you I had never experienced like PTSD
Speaker 3: from any like battle in the game that I've been in.
Speaker 2: Aside from the one with you.
Speaker 3: I would literally fall asleep at night, Johnny, and I
Speaker 3: would hear you in my mind being like why are
Speaker 3: you going so hard? Or like stop or like I
Speaker 3: would hear your voice to me and dude, I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2: It fucked with me. It fucked with my head so bad.
Speaker 3: To the point where I would sit there before bet
Speaker 3: and be like, yo, have I crossed the line with
Speaker 3: myself as a competitor, Like have I like turn totally
Speaker 3: turned it so mechanically that when I go in there,
Speaker 3: like I don't even I'm not even thinking straight anymore.
Speaker 2: I'm just all dull, like in a fight, you know.
Speaker 4: I feel like right before like and I was just like,
Speaker 4: don't you dare for two seconds even get in your
Speaker 4: head and start thinking about that, like just do you
Speaker 4: I'm good, like.
Speaker 3: And I'm I'm so thankful that you feel that way,
Speaker 3: because if it were any anybody else in there that
Speaker 3: I feel like I didn't have a close connection with
Speaker 3: and they didn't have your heart or soul, I probably
Speaker 3: wouldn't give a shit. But like, it's like it was
Speaker 3: against somebody who was who's you, Who's such a genuine person,
Speaker 3: such an amazing person to be around, Like I was
Speaker 3: so excited to play the game with you.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you were my number.
Speaker 4: I don't you know, Like I had very few people
Speaker 4: that I trusted and you're one. And you know I
Speaker 4: was sitting there and I will I will tell you
Speaker 4: these girls were good, Like as far as the whole
Speaker 4: like blindside thing goes like that day, I didn't I
Speaker 4: had a feeling that, you know, something was going on,
Speaker 4: but I just I was shocked when it happened, you know.
Speaker 1: Can I just say as a viewer watching you guys too,
Speaker 1: like when I said that there was so much actual
Speaker 1: beauty in this elimination, which is like a weird way
Speaker 1: to describe it, but I think you guys both showed
Speaker 1: a couple of things. I think a real testament to
Speaker 1: strength is being a gracious competitor and winner. So I
Speaker 1: think both of you sort of hyping each other up
Speaker 1: of like, go in and give it your all. I
Speaker 1: also think real friends don't go easy on real friends
Speaker 1: because you want them to sharpen. You know, iron sharpens iron,
Speaker 1: so you want them to continue to get better, like
Speaker 1: both of you. And then I also think you guys
Speaker 1: showing a united front and then Tory coming back in
Speaker 1: the house and sort of being which you know we'll
Speaker 1: see next week, but being like I'm more fired up
Speaker 1: than ever and seeing you John a whisper to Tory
Speaker 1: like you know, take this shit haunt like get it.
Speaker 1: As a viewer is super inspiring to watch. I think
Speaker 1: it underscores the message that, especially as women, we are
Speaker 1: not competing with each other. We don't have to compete
Speaker 1: with each other, even in the same space. And yes,
Speaker 1: you are physically competing in that moment, but you were
Speaker 1: both hyping each other up to like, look, be the
Speaker 1: If I can't take it, I want you to take it,
Speaker 1: and if you can't take it, I'm gonna take it.
Speaker 1: And I think that's just a testament in life. Not
Speaker 1: that I'm always trying to bring life lessons out of
Speaker 1: the challenge, but sort of. But I do you should,
Speaker 1: but I do like seeing that was really beautiful and
Speaker 1: I know it had to hurt, and obviously I appreciate
Speaker 1: you both, and yet it didn't. It Just to me,
Speaker 1: it almost was like this, yeah, victory as a whole,
Speaker 1: because I think not only did the rookies want to
Speaker 1: see a vet go home, I think they also wanted
Speaker 1: to see some of that morale break right. They wanted
Speaker 1: to see some of that fear that maybe they have
Speaker 1: being newbies, And instead you showed like I'm a freakin' force.
Speaker 1: We both are, and sure you got one out, good job,
Speaker 1: but be ready because this is reckon. You still don't
Speaker 1: want to see me down here, right, and like now
Speaker 1: I'm coming with the force of John A and myself,
Speaker 1: and I just think that was really really powerful to see.
Speaker 4: Yeah, whose bright ideal is to do that? Man, I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 1: I go for Michelle Johnna. It's because you voted for
Speaker 1: Michelle teknam it.
Speaker 3: It did seem like Michelle's idea, right, I was actually
Speaker 3: shut Yeah, dude, it's wild when you watch this stuff back,
Speaker 3: because that's not the way I painted the picture at
Speaker 3: all in my mind.
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting too, Like I feel like real
Speaker 1: world slash even are you the one? People like sort
Speaker 1: of the MTV og Ish family usually were casts on
Speaker 1: their shows prior because they were like straight shooters, right
Speaker 1: or they were kind of just like in your face,
Speaker 1: say whatever, do whatever, this is who I am, whereas
Speaker 1: these people coming from other shows were specifically cast because
Speaker 1: they hold their tongue and they can move in multiple directions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so they very different.
Speaker 4: It's so different, man, I'm telling you the Survivors. But
Speaker 4: my first case of it was on the Global Championship
Speaker 4: and I remember walking into your room when they were
Speaker 4: all talking to Grant, and I was just like, man,
Speaker 4: you guys are good. But I thought this time around
Speaker 4: and I was like, this is a whole nother level.
Speaker 4: I will say I was dup like I when I
Speaker 4: was down there when TJ said, like, you got five balls,
Speaker 4: I was like what, I'm like, this is good? You guys? Yeah,
Speaker 4: because I had no idea that this was coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did you guys feel with because this is
Speaker 1: the most unified I think we've ever seen because we well,
Speaker 1: every time right rookies want to go against vets, usually
Speaker 1: the vets end up overtaking them. There's been heated debates
Speaker 1: in previous seasons, and you know about this, particularly like
Speaker 1: the World Championship all of that. This is the most
Speaker 1: organized we have ever seen of rookies versus vets. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's pretty much the house against you guys. How do
Speaker 1: you guys feel about that?
Speaker 4: It was the one goal that every person in the house,
Speaker 4: the other eighteen people had in common, was get us out.
Speaker 4: It did not help that we came in on jet
Speaker 4: skids right and crash their party. It did not help
Speaker 4: that TJ's like, carry this giant statue of the people
Speaker 4: of a mallon them. We hate them more and now
Speaker 4: we really hate them.
Speaker 1: That's actually a deep psychology. That's so that's.
Speaker 4: TJ.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I think I think like it was really clear watching
Speaker 3: the Green Team deliberate, seeing how Wes was like trying,
Speaker 3: Yeah he tried.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just you know, hi, you know, put it on
Speaker 4: pods for just one more week and then see where
Speaker 4: it goes. Like he tried, and they were like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're remembered, yeah pretty much seven to one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's a good old man.
Speaker 3: But I think like knowing that, like after that happened,
Speaker 3: like we all and like Johnn, I, you know, you
Speaker 3: weren't there for this, but you'll see it for the
Speaker 3: rest of the season. We all kind of got to
Speaker 3: what did you say? I like, for I like knew
Speaker 3: this was coming, but go ahead, yeah, yeah exactly, Like
Speaker 3: we we all were like, wow, like it's really going
Speaker 3: to be an uphill battle. And what I didn't know,
Speaker 3: so like I happily rejoined Blue Team. I didn't know
Speaker 3: Alyssa Lopez voted for Johnny. I didn't know Alyssa s
Speaker 3: voted for Johnny. I didn't know Cassidy voted for Johnny.
Speaker 3: Those were three of the five votes I found out
Speaker 3: later when I got back to your house.
Speaker 4: I was wondering that aftering you who voted for me
Speaker 4: and I.
Speaker 2: Fucking joined them.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you were like, because I'm loyal. Yeah, no, girl,
Speaker 1: I thought I was too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they duped me too.
Speaker 4: It's pretty crazy to think about, because I did have
Speaker 4: a conversation when we went out that night with Alyssa
Speaker 4: l and I was like, Hey, you know, I want
Speaker 4: to work with you. You want to work with me? And
Speaker 4: she just bold faced to my face, was like, I
Speaker 4: want to work with you. I like that you're working
Speaker 4: with big Brother people whatever, And then.
Speaker 1: Damn they all did a bunction of I would feel
Speaker 1: bad for you, Johnny, except for you voting Michelle in
Speaker 1: and then hold on and then we saw you hug
Speaker 1: Michelle when she came back up after she won, or
Speaker 1: when you guys got back in the house that night
Speaker 1: before the Amanda Michelle fight started. I saw you going
Speaker 1: for the hug, and I was like, I she did not.
Speaker 4: I do like Michelle a lot, like I really do.
Speaker 4: Do I think she's a threat? Absolutely? Do I think
Speaker 4: that she keeps a lot of the survivors together.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And if I get her out of the game, then yes,
Speaker 4: like it will be better for me. Yes, but when
Speaker 4: it comes down to it, I think Michelle's awesome, you know,
Speaker 4: and she's one of the people I vibe with. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and after I voted her, and I clearly felt like, oh,
Speaker 4: that was probably not because you got to think, we're
Speaker 4: still in the beginning stages. We don't know you can
Speaker 4: switch teams, we don't really know all the rules everything.
Speaker 4: I just I was literally like it was like a
Speaker 4: calculated risk I was willing to take because my back
Speaker 4: was already up against the wall. But I was already
Speaker 4: I was already a dead man walking.
Speaker 1: Well, because you were thinking about the challenge house snacks
Speaker 1: at the final you were already calculating all the way
Speaker 1: twelve episodes.
Speaker 4: Like I said it, at the end, I'm like, it's
Speaker 4: been a really long time since I've been eliminated, Like
Speaker 4: it's been like ten years, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it.
Speaker 4: Was it was a weird feeling for me. I went
Speaker 4: home and I watched Eld the Survivor season.
Speaker 1: And then you're like, no, I know. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: Michelle Survivor is enough to say that, like, all right,
Speaker 1: there's got it. You know that doesn't happen on accident.
Speaker 1: So wait, does this mean by the way, do you
Speaker 1: feel like the show lines are blurred because they came
Speaker 1: in being you know, you talked about even survivors strong,
Speaker 1: brothers strong, blah blah. But wait, Amazing Race, ra it's
Speaker 1: an amazing race on here. We never resonne. Yeah okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: there shout out to Amazing.
Speaker 4: I was trying to help out Amazing Race with my
Speaker 4: Michelle boat too.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was.
Speaker 4: I was. Dusty was like, please help my boy Louis down.
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, we vote for a girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Does this mean that it's now dissolved and
Speaker 1: that the real alliance is just Vets versus everybody else?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: It is, it is.
Speaker 1: You know what happened then?
Speaker 3: I think in the very beginning when Blue Team met
Speaker 3: Power and there wasn't a Vet on the board, I
Speaker 3: think it shook everybody so much to the core, knowing
Speaker 3: like oh wow, like they have.
Speaker 2: So much power now we're super threatened to buy them.
Speaker 2: We got to get them out. I think Big Brother
Speaker 2: was really hurt by that because.
Speaker 1: And Corey, by the way, Toy, they kept saying, you
Speaker 1: all's Nate. You know Tory and I ever been called
Speaker 1: the brains behind an operation. We love We do love you, Cory,
Speaker 1: but yeah, they were really shook and scared of you guys,
Speaker 1: and then they wanted to use you all's coaching. Did
Speaker 1: you catch that when they were like, oh, Banana's helped get.
Speaker 4: Who was it?
Speaker 1: Was it Desi? Or who did he help get across Chanel?
Speaker 1: He helps get Yeah, but Banana's helped get Shanel on
Speaker 1: shout out to Chanel and then you know, even West.
Speaker 1: But then they wanted It was weird. It was like
Speaker 1: they wanted to use you all for your information, but
Speaker 1: they also wanted to get rid of you.
Speaker 4: So that Yes, that's how I felt during So I
Speaker 4: did go to like not the Red Team meeting where
Speaker 4: I wasn't there, but one of them I too. They
Speaker 4: I just I felt so weird sitting there because I,
Speaker 4: you know, I somebody we're trying to decide who we're
Speaker 4: going to vote for it right, And I felt so
Speaker 4: weird being there because I was like, I can't say
Speaker 4: anything even though you guys are looking to me for
Speaker 4: like some sort of leadership thing. I don't trust the
Speaker 4: very people that are sitting here because the second that
Speaker 4: you guys leave here, you're going to go to the
Speaker 4: Big Brother people. You're gonna go to the Survivor people,
Speaker 4: you know, and it was just this whole game. I
Speaker 4: was back against the wall. But you know, the most
Speaker 4: dangerous people I think in the game are like, okay,
Speaker 4: obviously see like the Vets, they're like working together and
Speaker 4: then Survivor Survivor strong. But the people who are like
Speaker 4: like the market arts or whatever is there. I think
Speaker 4: that West said mud bloods, like from Harry Potter, but
Speaker 4: like the Michelle, the Fessie, the people who are still
Speaker 4: part of the Survivor big Yeah. I mean, look, Michelle
Speaker 4: was literally sitting here and like rookies. I noticed that. Girl.
Speaker 1: I noticed that too. But smart gameplay girl, go ahead
Speaker 1: and put yourself on that side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Michelle.
Speaker 3: Michelle is really smart and she's also charming, so it's
Speaker 3: hard to not like her and hard to not like.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, like I really like you. But you've
Speaker 4: got to go yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3: Okay, we need to take a quick break. Don't go anywhere, guys,
Speaker 3: we'll be right back after this.
Speaker 1: Johnny, did you learn anything? So you said you went
Speaker 1: home and you watched all the episode, you know, like
Speaker 1: the other show Surviving Up. What did you learn that
Speaker 1: you think you're going to add to your gameplay from
Speaker 1: watching Survivor.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, listen, after actually watching Survivor and seeing
Speaker 4: all of it. I mean, if I find my vert
Speaker 4: in a game with people from Big Brother or Survivor again,
Speaker 4: I mean, it's very not likely that I'm going to
Speaker 4: be one where there's a random that's random hopper. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I hate that Hopper, but I will. I have to
Speaker 4: remember to look at people's like intentions and know where
Speaker 4: they're coming from, like their original show, what they're coming
Speaker 4: from and what they're walking into. I didn't dig that
Speaker 4: into perspective. I didn't take you know, the fact that
Speaker 4: these people are so calculated that they're on the same
Speaker 4: calculation level. Yeah, you know, whereas normally when you walk
Speaker 4: into a challenge house, people are just playing the challenge
Speaker 4: and all they have to go off of, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: the Survivor's man.
Speaker 2: Dude, there's something else.
Speaker 3: I'm like, maybe, yeah, there's they're surviving man, they know,
Speaker 3: and the Big Brothers like it just they just don't you.
Speaker 3: Any which way you look, there's a threat, you know,
Speaker 3: like no matter how you cut it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's to be on the back
Speaker 1: foot you guys as as bets. You guys are almost
Speaker 1: living the game as rookies for the first time. And
Speaker 1: I know there's been a lot of talk in the
Speaker 1: challenge fandom on Twitter on Reddit because y'all know we lerk. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: I lurk around sometimes people feeling like, Okay, the Vets
Speaker 1: are always running things, They're always coming in, kind of
Speaker 1: like the seniors versus the freshman And this time, yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys really aren't running anything, as West proved, And
Speaker 1: so how does it feel being almost the underdogs this
Speaker 1: season because you guys have not been underdogs in a
Speaker 1: very very long time.
Speaker 3: Well, I just feel like it definitely lit a new
Speaker 3: a fire in me that I hadn't felt in a
Speaker 3: long time, because you know, typically i'd obviously on Rider Eyes,
Speaker 3: I went into the first elimination, so like it's not
Speaker 3: like I've been like walking safe. But also on Globals,
Speaker 3: I didn't have to go in so for the past
Speaker 3: couple seasons, and on Spies Lies, I went into the
Speaker 3: last like it's only been one elimination here, one elimination there.
Speaker 3: This is like knowing that it's an uphill battle, Like
Speaker 3: it's the first time I had that like mindset. It
Speaker 3: took me completely out of Champion and put me right
Speaker 3: back in a dirty thirty tory. I was like, I'm
Speaker 3: a rookie, like I gotta scrap my way through this game.
Speaker 3: And was just kind of like all right, like whatever
Speaker 3: happens happens, kind of like accepting my fate.
Speaker 4: That's what I say. I had the wrong mindset. I
Speaker 4: went in thinking, Okay, these people have just seen Ulcers
Speaker 4: or thirty eight, right, so I already knew that I
Speaker 4: was going in with a target on my back. I didn't,
Speaker 4: you know, take into perspective, like I said, the fact
Speaker 4: that this isn't my name, this is a whole new game,
Speaker 4: and I am now a rookie because this is the
Speaker 4: first time that we've had the silent voting. I was excited.
Speaker 4: I was excited to like do this whole thing. And
Speaker 4: then I realized, oh, shoot, eighteen people want the same
Speaker 4: thing that's for me to be gone.
Speaker 1: I think that actually may be the thing. Not just
Speaker 1: the numbers, because we've seen in previous seasons even I
Speaker 1: think spies liies. Now is where the numbers have been.
Speaker 1: There's been more rookies than there have been, and yet
Speaker 1: the Vets still come out on top. I think what's
Speaker 1: really putting you guys on the back foot is this
Speaker 1: silent voting or like secret voting, and that in conjunction
Speaker 1: with two things TJ's Carhart jacket that he wore, and
Speaker 1: then also with people who are very much used to
Speaker 1: playing a game of sneaky right, Like those two things
Speaker 1: I think are the things because it seems like before,
Speaker 1: even when there's a lot of rookies, you know, the
Speaker 1: bets are really good at at rallying and getting people.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what scared everyone with Tory and
Speaker 1: Corey is they felt like, oh, they came in and
Speaker 1: rallied and they do it like they know that when
Speaker 1: you guys talk, you guys can really kind of lead
Speaker 1: a group. And so that's why they wanted to, you know,
Speaker 1: target it right off the bat. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what's it's going to be so interesting and refreshing to watch.
Speaker 1: Although look my heart, I try not to be biased
Speaker 1: on this podcast, but of course, like I'm going to
Speaker 1: always be slightly vets. Although I like to see the
Speaker 1: rookies fight and I love some of the rookies this
Speaker 1: season in particular, I had a chance to talk to
Speaker 1: Shanelle the other day. She will be on the podcast.
Speaker 1: She's amazing. But my heart will be with the Bets
Speaker 1: because I know them well. But I like how they're
Speaker 1: playing this season. I like how the rookies at least,
Speaker 1: because that's the other thing. Look, Danny was annoying. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm bringing him up again. He was annoying in previous season.
Speaker 1: In the previous season, I like Danny as a person
Speaker 1: amazingly and I liked him on Challenging SA season one.
Speaker 1: I thought he was amazing and loved that he won.
Speaker 1: On the second season, I didn't love that he and
Speaker 1: Sarah were so vocal about coming for the Vets. It
Speaker 1: sounded less like an action plan and more like a
Speaker 1: wine or something. Whereas this season, I do like that.
Speaker 1: I mean it's sneaky as it is. The rookies are
Speaker 1: like you guys said, They're like, hey, yeah, I respect it.
Speaker 4: This great me Why playing.
Speaker 1: Meetings when John Nay's napping, being like, okay, we're going
Speaker 1: do X Y and Z. I want them to go
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do this like I love And even
Speaker 1: Tiffany said play dumb like I love that that instead
Speaker 1: of whining. I feel like they're just being They're being
Speaker 1: smart and tactical and how they're.
Speaker 4: Pointing about ready for all that. Yeah, I don't from
Speaker 4: from like a fan point of view of the show,
Speaker 4: watching the show, like I love how this is set
Speaker 4: up being one of the six same. I hated it obviously,
Speaker 4: but yeah they said sent my mind right into that
Speaker 4: spiral of all all the possibilities came in and I
Speaker 4: was just like, oh no. But as far as the
Speaker 4: season goes, like this is gonna be.
Speaker 1: It's juicy, ethic, it's so it's not looking too good
Speaker 1: for y'all Vets. I'm gonna just say it now, I don't.
Speaker 2: It is not looking.
Speaker 1: I will be shocked if a VET pulls this off.
Speaker 1: I really will actually be shocked, which is like wild.
Speaker 1: But now the question is which rookie is gonna pull
Speaker 1: what Tori, when.
Speaker 4: You hug me a bye worn and you're like see
Speaker 4: you next week.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because I thought I by yeah yeah, I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I mean I'll be I'll be gone
Speaker 3: in two seconds.
Speaker 2: John assume like this is they're going to keep putting
Speaker 2: me in in toll until I go. I am just
Speaker 2: in the fault.
Speaker 1: So one more question for you guys, does this give
Speaker 1: you more empathy or change your view on previous seasons
Speaker 1: when generally it is the vets or a VET targeting
Speaker 1: a rookie and continuing to pick the same person and
Speaker 1: sort of put them intil they're gone. Does this make
Speaker 1: you think differently about doing that in future season? Seeing
Speaker 1: is how you guys felt like you were going to
Speaker 1: be the subject of And obviously I don't know how
Speaker 1: the season plays out, but and John, ay you're no
Speaker 1: longer with us, but general you knew that h r IP.
Speaker 1: You knew that you guys were going to be the
Speaker 1: consistent target. Does that change your view on playing that way?
Speaker 3: I think ultimately, relationships will always take the toll, like
Speaker 3: we'll always take the stage before a new relationship unless
Speaker 3: you're ready to terminate the relationship. Yeah, but what I
Speaker 3: can say is it will be easier to relate to
Speaker 3: that person going through the struggle and let them know, Hey,
Speaker 3: I've walked a really hard path in this game before,
Speaker 3: so I know you're going through a hard time and
Speaker 3: I and I and I'm here to remind you it's
Speaker 3: not personal. It's just part of your battle. It's your
Speaker 3: journey on in this game, and I think that's ultimately
Speaker 3: what's going to come from it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not going to be so much like I'm
Speaker 2: never doing this again. Yeah that's highly unlikely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do empathize, empathize with the rookies a little
Speaker 4: bit more. I do realize I have to be a
Speaker 4: little bit more adaptable too, because it's like every time
Speaker 4: you walk into a challenge, you don't know what to expect.
Speaker 4: And let me tell you, like this whole this whole
Speaker 4: setup of everything with the Hopper, with the random of
Speaker 4: all that, I was not expecting that and I was
Speaker 4: not ready for that, which you know obviously feels like, yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I also think that the Hopper, like you said,
Speaker 3: the Hopper played into it, like five votes amongst the
Speaker 3: entire house that actually wasn't majority, So like the Hopper,
Speaker 3: the luck of the Hopper did play into that, and
Speaker 3: that like we're going to see that throughout the rest
Speaker 3: of the season, like it sometimes works in your favor
Speaker 3: and it sometimes doesn't. This whole season, like between the Hopper,
Speaker 3: between the secret voting, between there being only six Challenge
Speaker 3: legends going in there with eighteen other people like there
Speaker 3: was there was just.
Speaker 4: A lots yeah. Yeah, my head was about to explode.
Speaker 4: So that's that's why I voted, because I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take take this risk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can justify it, Johnny. Just to the end,
Speaker 1: speaking of shell Okay, that elimination with the balls, right,
Speaker 1: So just to back up for it, First of all.
Speaker 4: We're raising this whole season on McDonald's lace, yes, okay.
Speaker 1: And also why were they just using their hand? Did
Speaker 1: I miss it? Because wouldn't it make sense to like
Speaker 1: do an arm scoop, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: we see them just like tossing with their hand like
Speaker 1: a little yes, like a little flapperbird. And I'm thinking, now,
Speaker 1: can't shouldn't you just like pull up your shirt and
Speaker 1: do an arm scoop and just the scoop and balls out.
Speaker 1: Also what challenge producer hated themselves enough they decided they
Speaker 1: wanted to count individually count balls that.
Speaker 4: Were outside of it, Like the bells that were left
Speaker 4: they like scooped the balls that were all from the
Speaker 4: middle guarded with the same amount.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're right wrong, that makes sense, right, Okay, that
Speaker 1: makes sense. That makes it right that I was like
Speaker 1: who's chasing these thirty balls on the ground.
Speaker 3: It's just funny because Michelle and Amira. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: not funny, it's sad. But like all I could think
Speaker 3: about when I was watching that was like it was
Speaker 3: like somebody dipping a tea bag into a coffee cup
Speaker 3: over and over and over again, and they got tea bagged.
Speaker 1: Tea bags looking for balls. It all makes it.
Speaker 2: It's just like on an elimination.
Speaker 1: Was it an aggressive drop because they kind of in
Speaker 1: the watching it, they like did some kind of freeze
Speaker 1: frames and slowed down, so you couldn't tell if they
Speaker 1: were really.
Speaker 4: Just like.
Speaker 1: Or if it was like a slow down.
Speaker 4: No, it was like they brought him up and then
Speaker 4: they dropped up.
Speaker 1: Like it was like I remember, oh wow, okay, so
Speaker 1: it was like a drop in the Okay, I'm glad
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 4: Do that one, although that might have might have not
Speaker 4: better than balls in for me?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do you think would have won between the
Speaker 1: two of you on the tea bag?
Speaker 3: Oh, toss up, toss up anybody's game. It could have
Speaker 3: been anybody's game. Like I think that I had done
Speaker 3: balls in before. I had one balls in before I
Speaker 3: knew I was comfortable with that, Like, but if it
Speaker 3: would have been anything else, like Johnny john A is
Speaker 3: an incredible competitor. I credit my win to what the
Speaker 3: fucking elimination was. If it even a puzzle, my ass
Speaker 3: would have been both.
Speaker 2: Second, like I would have been walking up the door anything.
Speaker 4: I don't know they asked us at the very beginning.
Speaker 4: They're like they're like, oh, out of all the great
Speaker 4: eliminations like pull, wrestle, whatever, like, which would you get
Speaker 4: rid of I'm like, listen, hall brawl and balls in
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 3: That's not that's not for me, yeah, dude, And like
Speaker 3: I would prefer to not do a puzzle. So I
Speaker 3: think we just it just was what it was on
Speaker 3: the day that it was like I don't think you can.
Speaker 2: Johnny is still the two time winnings.
Speaker 4: That's the thing.
Speaker 2: You never still better, Like she's still the queen, dude, so.
Speaker 4: You never to know, like what's going to happen in
Speaker 4: make sure, which is why you don't want to go in.
Speaker 4: But that damn hopper. Yeahs as soon as I've gone
Speaker 4: on about the hopper, I'm like, all right, ball to
Speaker 4: the wall and take every risk possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh we saw that, Jenny.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: So for those who want to we know you have
Speaker 1: to get back to the kiddos. For those who want
Speaker 1: to keep up with you, John ay and watch you strategize,
Speaker 1: watch you live life and thrive. Where can they find
Speaker 1: you on social.
Speaker 4: Well, I will tell you, guys. I'm still really bad
Speaker 4: at social media. But my Instagram at Johnny Manyon so
Speaker 4: j O N N A M A N and iowen.
Speaker 1: I love it so much. Thank you for coming to
Speaker 1: visit us again.
Speaker 2: Of course, yes, Jen, thank you, dude.
Speaker 3: Listen, no matter what happens on each individual episode, like,
Speaker 3: nobody can ever steal your legacy from you. You are
Speaker 3: one of the only two time female champions to ever exist.
Speaker 3: You're a badass, You're one of the smartest challengers I've
Speaker 3: ever met.
Speaker 2: And you see, you're the only you, and you're the
Speaker 2: only you. And you left me, your oil diffuser when
Speaker 2: you left like a god damn like say like dude,
Speaker 2: that is love, love, love.
Speaker 3: Love, So thank you, thank you for everything, dude, thank
Speaker 3: you for your heart of gold. And seriously, this season
Speaker 3: is not going to be the same without you.
Speaker 2: I promise to avenge you. Yes, yeah, yes, I love that.
Speaker 1: We absolutely will continue to watch as Tory goes to
Speaker 1: avenge your honor, and of course, like TJ said, we
Speaker 1: absolutely will be seeing you on future seasons of the
Speaker 1: Challenge and then also subsequently future episodes of the podcast
Speaker 1: You Love You By Bye.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's you, it's you.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Johnay is absolutely incredible.
Speaker 3: I'm so sad that this is the last time that
Speaker 3: we're really going to be hearing from her this season,
Speaker 3: but knowing her.
Speaker 2: Track record, she'll be back on the podcast soon enough.
Speaker 1: She sure will be, that is so for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's the best man.
Speaker 3: Well, Devin, it's been an honor hosting this episode with you.
Speaker 3: Where can people follow you and support you on social media?
Speaker 3: If they want to listen to more of you?
Speaker 1: Oh, if you want to listen more? Do you really
Speaker 1: want to listen more? You can go to my website
Speaker 1: devinsimone dot com. That's done with the y simone with
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Speaker 1: You can just Google, Devinsmone Amazon, It's called Devinsmon's Gift Closet.
Speaker 1: Click the follow and then when we do we actually
Speaker 1: did one today when we do live streams, say hi
Speaker 1: and that you're a Challenge podcast listener and I will
Speaker 1: shout you out. I've done that with a lot of
Speaker 1: the podcast fam so that'll be a lot of fun
Speaker 1: and toy where can they keep up with you? But
Speaker 1: also get your hair secrets because that is still a mystery.
Speaker 1: I'm always trying to figure out. I'm forever chasing Tory's hair,
Speaker 1: So where can they follow you? Ha Hooba oil.
Speaker 3: I put Hoobo oil in my hair after I get
Speaker 3: out of the shower, you know, just a little bit
Speaker 3: of it, keep it nice and then I stop dying
Speaker 3: at people like you gotta give.
Speaker 2: Your hair some But then also I have extensions in
Speaker 2: so don't let me fool you. There are in this season.
Speaker 3: So there's a little bit of Nashville. There's a little
Speaker 3: bit of fake in there. But you can follow me
Speaker 3: on my Instagram at Tory Underscore Deal. I tag my
Speaker 3: hairstylist sometimes, so you never know when that's gonna pop up.
Speaker 2: Shout out to her. She's amazing. Yeah, yeah, but more
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