1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford sitting alongside my 3 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: trusted colleague West Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here from 4 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: our studio at lambeau Field and West. The Packers post 5 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: a twenty four to twenty victory over the Jacksonville Jaguars 6 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: this past Sunday at lambeau Field. Much more difficult than 7 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: anyone had hoped or expected, but the Packers got the w. 8 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: They are seven and two and they are still sitting 9 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: in first place in the NFC North. So this has 10 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: been my big message this week, Mike. I know it 11 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: wasn't the dominating victory everybody projected. I'm sure that person 12 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: that had thrown down a hundred thousand dollars on a 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: Packer straight up. Victory was kind of sweat and bullets 14 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: there into the fourth quarter. But what I come back 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: to is this game I thought showed a step for 16 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: Green Bay. I know that's a weird take to have 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: when you only beat a one win team by four points, 18 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: but I felt like they did what they needed to 19 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: do in this game against the Jaguars that they didn't 20 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: accomplish against the Vikings, who have now since gone on 21 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: a huge run here, and and that was in the 22 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: fourth quarter when the Chips were down. They needed a 23 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: response offensively, defensively, and even to a certain extent special teams. 24 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: They were able to at least muster enough to get 25 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: that win. What are you going to get a lot 26 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: of style points out of that victory? No? Is this 27 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: now the sixth game that the Packers have played with 28 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: the Jaguars all time and which has been decided by 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: under you know, in single digits. Yes, But I just 30 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: felt like this game showed one again just how brilliant 31 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: Davante Adams is into that. The defense, even though it's 32 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: been kind of hidden underneath a lot of things this year, 33 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: when it needs to find that gritty performance late the 34 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: pass rush getting into Jake Luton's face, they were able 35 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: to do it, and they were able of the seal 36 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: of victory. Yeah, the down the stretch, crunch time performance 37 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: of the defense was very reminiscent of last year, frankly, 38 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: with the Packers won because the offense wasn't always clicking 39 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: all that great in twenty nineteen. The defense needed to 40 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: make some of these fourth quarters stands and Sunday's game 41 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: reminded me of that. I will say this though, because 42 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't the Packers best performance, it's not a performance 43 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: to be very proud of. Frankly, and yes, the weather 44 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: is a bit of an equalizer for an underdog and 45 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: all that, I get it. But an Insider Inbox reader, 46 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: as I got done with my game recap and the editorial, 47 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: we had that stuff posted on the website, and as 48 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 1: you know, I stay late after our game coverage because 49 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: I like to just get the Insider Inbox column from 50 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: Monday morning written and out of the way so I 51 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: don't have to get up at the crack of dawn 52 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: on Monday morning to get it done in time. An 53 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: Insider Inbox reader sent in what I thought was was 54 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: almost the perfect line that what occurred in that game 55 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: was the recipe for are an upset. You had a 56 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: special teams touched down by the Jaguars. You had two 57 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: uncharacteristic turnovers by the Packers, a fumbled by Davante Adams 58 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: that leads to a touchdown, an interception by Aaron Rodgers 59 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: that leads to a field goal. That's seventeen of Jacksonville's 60 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: twenty points in essentially those three instances right there, and 61 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: yet it really was the recipe for an upset. But 62 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: as you said, the Packers needed a response on offense 63 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: when they fell behind twenty seventeen. They put together the 64 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: seventy five yard drive and got the job done. And 65 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: then the defense not once but twice has to make 66 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: stops there at crunch time in the fourth quarter. And 67 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: if there is anything you can hang your hat on 68 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: from this game, it's that in bad weather, in bad conditions, 69 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: you were able to do that in the fourth quarter. 70 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: And quite frankly, the Packers, except for maybe the New 71 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: Orleans game back in Week three, the Packers hadn't really 72 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: been put in that situation to pull something out late 73 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: in the game in the fourth quarter. And yes it 74 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: was the Jacksonville Jaguars, but they did the job. There 75 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: are a totality of their experiences, though, and that's where 76 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: this team as they go into Indianapolis this week, in 77 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: Chicago the next week, and in Philadelphia as they marched 78 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: into into December, the all of these things lead up 79 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: to a playoff team. What makes you who you are? 80 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: It's almost like it it sort of builds your your resume. 81 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: And this is Okay, once we get to the postseason. 82 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: These are the things that, as you said, we hang 83 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: our hat on, and yeah, this isn't gonna be a 84 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: game I think five years from now where you are 85 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: gonna you and I are gonna be talking about. Remember 86 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: that Jaguars game back in two thousand twenty. Probably not um, 87 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: but I just feel like these can be the launching pads. 88 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: This game really wasn't pretty in any shape or fashion. 89 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: James Robinson had over a hundred yards rushing kick punt 90 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: return for a touchdown. But then there's little moments of 91 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: brilliance that were interspersed throughout it. The seventy yard touchdown 92 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: past to Marquis about this scandling the longest touchdown past, 93 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: I wouldn't even believe this. For Aaron Rodgers in in 94 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: six years, Uh, their ability, you know late where Jacksonville 95 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: had been stifling the run, Aaron Jones breaks one for 96 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: twenty yards. It's just those type of place And again, 97 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: Davonte Ada is playing on a bad wheel with the 98 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: ankle injury in which he left for a moment. He 99 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: comes back, skies up obviously didn't affect his vertical and 100 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: catches in the air to pull down that winning touchdown, 101 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: the go ahead touchdown Preston Smith. Everyone's wondering where the 102 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: sacks are with him. He comes up with a sack 103 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: on third down, fourth and the pass rush just converges 104 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: on Luton. They don't let him get comfortable in a 105 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: situation where I think a lot of times people are 106 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: thinking three man rush. So there's just so many different 107 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: factors that I felt played into this game that, while 108 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: it's not gonna be one that we're gonna remember, so 109 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: to speak, if the Packers can get on a run 110 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: here and put that to good use now against a 111 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: much better Indianapolis Colts team on the road this Sunday, 112 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: it could be the type the performance that that fits 113 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: into a winning streak where maybe it's not the headliner. Yeah. 114 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: Aside from the two defensive stands at the end of 115 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, which obviously were important, there are two 116 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: other things that I take out of this game if 117 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: I'm the Packers in terms of trying to build on something. 118 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: One is actually the defense against the run. And I 119 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: say that, yes, James Robinson solid performance. Twenty three carries 120 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: a hundred and nine yards, but Robinson had Robinson average 121 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 1: six point eight yards per carrying the first half. In 122 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: the second half, the Packers cut that in half three 123 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: point four yards per carry in the second half. You 124 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: could see the defense against the run was much better. Now, 125 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: that comes with one caveat, as Matt Lafleur had pointed out, 126 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: and as I wrote about Monday evening on our website, 127 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: right after the Davante Adams fumble, the Jaguars get called 128 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: for holding there in first and twenty, just outside the 129 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: red zone. Okay, that's where the defense needs to get 130 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: the stop force the field goal. So the turnover only 131 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: produces three points. But Robinson busts off on eleven yard 132 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: run and instead of second and really long there in 133 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: second and nine and a couple of plays later there 134 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: in the end zone, and you didn't take advantage of 135 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: the holding penalty. But even with that one eleven yard 136 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,559 Speaker 1: run in the second half, Robinson only average three point 137 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: four on his thirteen carries in the second half. So 138 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: I thought the Packers run defense, they got their act 139 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: together down the stretch in this game. The other thing 140 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: that I think you take away if you're the Packers 141 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: was the performance of Marquis Velde Scantling And I'm gonna 142 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: say this, not because the hundred and forty nine yards 143 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: was his career high and because the seventy eight yard 144 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: bomb was, you know, his career long touchdown pass. But 145 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: this was the best game of his career in my opinion, 146 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: because of the variety of plays that he made just 147 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: on four receptions, but the one the one was the 148 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: long bomb, but we saw him make a big play 149 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: on a shallow cross off the off the play action boot, 150 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: which is a pass that he has dropped a couple 151 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: of times this year and it's been a staple of 152 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: this offense. Right, we saw him. We saw him stay 153 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: alive and convert a third down in a scrambled mode 154 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers, which also he got a touchdown against 155 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: San Francisco the previous week in a scramble mode situation, 156 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: so that's another good sign. And then he took a 157 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: receiver screen one of those quick outs, bounced off a 158 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: couple of tacklers, moved the chains and got some significant yardage. 159 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: The variety of plays that Mark quis Velde Scantling made 160 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: on just four receptions, that's something that I think the 161 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: Packers would like to build on and to see more 162 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: of here. Down the road and when if you're hoping 163 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: as you're hoping to get Alan Lazard back off of 164 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: injured reserve, this is something that could really be a 165 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: positive sign for this Packers receiving corps. And you just 166 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: see the swagger that he got after that seventy eight 167 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: yard touchdown passed. You know they've been able to connect 168 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: on some of these d balls lately. And what was 169 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: the issue last year when he fell into his dul drums. 170 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: They just weren't on the same page with those and 171 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: some of the quieter moments this season is not on 172 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: the same page, but those are game breaking moments in 173 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: when the Jaguars are going to defend green Bay the 174 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: way they were going to defend him a lot of 175 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: eight man boxes. They talk about the cover three on 176 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: the back end, sort of three different guys covering their 177 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: part of the field. You have to be able to 178 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: create those big deep ball opportunities to really keep a 179 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: defense honest. Because I tip my cap to to Walsh 180 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: and everything that that the Jaguars did, it was a 181 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: good solid game plan, but Green Bay was able to 182 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: crack open those explosive games when they needed to. That's 183 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: the dimension Marcus Valdes Scantling ads and we're gonna have 184 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: to see what this week holds for Alan Lazard. He'd 185 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: practiced for basically two straight weeks and then last Friday 186 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: did not. It does sound like he's still going to 187 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: be activated on Wednesday, which is the end of his 188 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: twenty one day period to do so. But man, if 189 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: they can get a healthy Alan Lazard on the field, 190 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: the ways in which Green Bay can you who's Marquez 191 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: Velde Scantling and be able to keep defenses and secondaries 192 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: you know, a little bit nervous, a little bit of 193 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: you know, turning in their bellies about where this guy 194 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: is going to be. My goodness, does that set up 195 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: well for them, especially with some of these Dome teams 196 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: coming up. Well, one thing we hadn't seen obviously, we've 197 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: seen Valda Scantling catch those deep balls and take the 198 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: top off the defense. But as I mentioned, those shallow crosses. 199 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: He dropped a couple of those this year. But his 200 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: speed is dangerous in those situations. And finally, you know, 201 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: in the worst of conditions, ironically, where it would be 202 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: the most difficult to actually execute that play, they do 203 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: get it executed, and it turns into a thirty one 204 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: yard game. You start, you start using his speed horizontally 205 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: like that, and you start to scare a defense a 206 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: little bit too, because because it is difficult to defend 207 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: sideline to sideline with a guy like that. So I 208 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: just I think that's a really positive sign here for 209 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: the Packers. And I will just say this as well, 210 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, the twenty one day window for Alan 211 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: Lazard to practice with the roster exemption is expiring this week. 212 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: If the Packers do indeed put him on the active roster, 213 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: just so everybody knows, that doesn't necessarily mean he's going 214 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: to play right away on Sunday against Indianapolis. But if 215 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: the Packers don't want him on injured reserve for the 216 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: rest of the season, they have to activate and they 217 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: have to put him on the fifty three this week 218 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: to have him available at any point the rest of 219 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: the way. So I just we'll see. I think Alan Lazard, 220 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: from what we're hearing, is close to coming back. I 221 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: just don't want everybody to think that as soon as 222 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: he's on the three, oh, that means he's playing. We 223 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: don't know that for sure. Yeah. And the thing is 224 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: too is there's so much added flexibility this year with 225 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: the practice one. I mean you saw it. It's Saturday 226 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: and Sunday. The Packers elevated four players between the two 227 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen replacements and the other two that they're allowed. 228 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: Jowan Winfrey was up from the practice squad in that 229 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: game actually played seven offensive snaps for green Day at receiver. 230 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, again, in the past it's almost been a 231 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: situation where you got your fifty three. That's the way 232 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: it's got to be. This year, with all the different 233 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: changes in maneuvering that teams have been allowed to do, 234 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: it gives the Packers a little bit more buffer. They're 235 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: depending on exactly when al Lazard is going to be 236 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: clear to play. Yeah, alrighty, Well, before I forget here, 237 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: West will take care of some sponsored business. Serious x 238 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: M NFL Radio channel is the only radio outlet dedicated 239 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: to the National Football League seven days a week, three 240 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: hundred sixty five days a year and year up. 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The Minnesota 251 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: Vikings and Detroit Lions are both four and five, so 252 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: the Packers have two losses. Everyone else in the division 253 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: has five. And I don't like to talk about this 254 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: too much because there are seven games to go, but yes, 255 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: if you like to get into the entire NFC playoff picture, 256 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: if the season ended today, the Packers would be the 257 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: number one seed in the NFC. Because of the Seattle 258 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: Seahawks losing and falling to six and three, Packers are 259 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: tied with New Orleans right now, seven and two top 260 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: the NFC. But first, your thoughts on the NFC North 261 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: and the Monday Night football game, which it sounds like 262 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: you got bored and gave up and decided to play 263 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: some video games. And it was I admit I watched 264 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: the whole I watched the whole game, but it was 265 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 1: not the most exciting Monday Night football. I mean, come on, man, 266 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: the Bears. The Bears had one first down in the 267 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: second half until the last twenty seconds of the fourth quarter. 268 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: I mean, the the ineptitude of the offense. I just honestly, 269 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: I you know, it's hard for me to say this 270 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: in some respects because I know Bears fans can be obnoxious, 271 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: but I honestly feel bad for Bears fan. One of 272 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: my best friends is a tried and true Bears fan. 273 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: We were texting during the game on Monday night. I 274 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: honestly feel bad for Bears fans having to watch that 275 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: offense that is that is just it's absolutely it just 276 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: makes you makes you ill watching a team struggle that 277 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: much to just move the football. Yeah. My my brother 278 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: in law, Mike, actually is a huge Bears fan. Grew 279 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: up in that area and his you know, his family's 280 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: from that area. He he sent me a meme which was, 281 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: I don't Jason Momoa. Do you know him at all? 282 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: And I think I think he's Aquaman. He was also 283 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: engaged thrones. Okay, guy, okay. He was one of the 284 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: I believe it was the Super Bowl commercials this past year. 285 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: One of the big popular ones. He's a big, hulking guy, 286 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: and then they also did this one where he's walking 287 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: through his house and he's taking all of his muscles 288 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: off and he ends up being like the slender dude. 289 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: He had sent me a meme which is the version 290 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: of Jason Momo where he's like really like, you know, 291 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: pulked out. That's the Bears defense, and then the other 292 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: version was the Bears offense. So Mike, that made me smile. 293 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: But the thing I can't get over, Mike, you can 294 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: you can talk about the quarterback until you're blue in 295 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: the face, and it sounds like Mitchell Robinski very well 296 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: might end up being the guy again. But think about 297 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: all the years where the Bears are really strong contenders, 298 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: what do they have? They had a ground game critical 299 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: Patterson was their leading rush during this game. He rushed 300 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: for thirty yards. Now, I understand David Montgomery not playing 301 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: and everything, and Tera Cohen's hurt as well, but it's 302 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: just it's so unlike them, and I just feel like 303 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: when you don't actually establish the running game and you 304 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: are making life so difficult on your quarterback, I don't 305 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: care if it's fulls. I don't care if it's Jim Miller, 306 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: I don't care if it's Shane Matthews, I don't care 307 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: who it is. You're you're you're making life difficult. And 308 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: the reason why this game ended up kind of being 309 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: sort of a dud on my end is defensively, the 310 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: Bears are great. They have a really strong defense. Dalvin 311 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: Cook carry the ball thirty times, didn't get a hundred 312 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: yards as long as carry was fifteen yards fourteen yards. 313 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: I mean, the Bears defense can compete that. That's a 314 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: defense that they could win, you know, win some games with. 315 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: But offensively that that defense, that defense can clamp down 316 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: on anybody, there's no doubt about. But offensively, they're just 317 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: not getting it right now. And it led to uh 318 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: a really long night in which I finally decided, you 319 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: know what that Nintendo switches calling me yeah, and I'm 320 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: gonna have a little bit of fun. Well, I mean, 321 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: the Packers found out. The Packers found out a couple 322 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: of things similar to the Bears in terms of facing 323 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: that Vikings defense, where if Mike zimmer is going to 324 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: play his two safeties back, if he's going to play 325 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: cover two, if you can't run the ball against that 326 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: you're you're dead in the water against Minnesota, and the 327 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: Packers were struggling to run the ball. The Bears flat 328 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: out could not run the ball at all. Obviously, the 329 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: Packers were missing Aaron Jones in that game at Lamborfield 330 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. But then compounding that for 331 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: the Bears, they couldn't run the football against the two 332 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: high safety look and they had absolutely no answers for 333 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: the Vikings blitz. Anytime that Zimmer dialed up a blitz. 334 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: Nick Foles was completely helpless back there he had. They 335 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: had no answers whatsoever. And Cordorrell Patterson running the second 336 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: half kickoff back for a touchdown gave the Bears the 337 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: lead and gave them a chance to win this game 338 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: and actually kept them in it all the way to 339 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: the end because the offense. The offense did absolutely nothing 340 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: and they couldn't even get in position for a Hail 341 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: Mary triad at at the end of the game. But 342 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: that being said, so the Packers have a three game 343 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: lead in the lost column. On the rest of the division, 344 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: the other really interesting developed well, a couple of interesting 345 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: developments here. As I mentioned, the New Orleans Saints also 346 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: seven and two along with the Packers, but they're now 347 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: dealing with a significant injury situation with quarterbacks degrees and 348 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: my goodness, you hope that breeze is okay. It sounds 349 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: like now it's been the last couple of games combined 350 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: that have created the ribs. The lungs was last week. 351 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: I mean, so um, when you say punctured lung, Mike, 352 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: I just I just immediately start grabbing my side. I get, 353 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: I get. You can't. I can't even I can't even imagine. 354 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: So the Saints dealing with significant injury at quarterback, and 355 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 1: then at the same time in the NFC West, you 356 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: have the Rams having beaten the Seahawks, and the Cardinals 357 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: went out a Hail Mary against the Buffalo Bills, a 358 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: great matchup between Kyler Murray and Josh Allen. Like we 359 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: had talked about last week. You knew that was going 360 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: to be a great game, and it turned out to 361 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: be the best finish of any game in the NFL. 362 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: But now you have the Cardinals, the Seahawks, the Rams 363 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: all tied at six and three atop the NFC West, 364 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: and the Cardinals and Seahawks get their rematch on Thursday 365 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: Night Football here in just a couple of days. So 366 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: a lot of really interesting things happening here in the 367 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: NFC as the second half of the schedule gets underway. 368 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: You mentioned to me when we were discussing, you know, 369 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: and we can get into this a different time, but 370 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: you know, like the m v P type candidacy for 371 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and the fact that these next few weeks 372 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna learn a lot about him and this Packers 373 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: offense with Indianapolis, Chicago and honestly even Philadelphia has no 374 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: slouch either after that, and certainly those are gonna be 375 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 1: big markers for him. But I feel like right now 376 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is in the middle of that. The fact 377 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: that he already has ten interceptions right now. I understand 378 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: he's been carrying them a lot of ways through this season. 379 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: Running game has been just a carouself for them with 380 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: all their injuries there, But uh, that's very uncharacteristic of him, 381 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: and I think that's probably more of an indication of 382 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: the situations he's been put in and trying to make 383 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: some things happen that might not be there. The Cardinals, man, 384 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: I'll say it every single week on the show. There 385 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: for real Uh, they took some big hits to their defense, 386 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: but offensively, with Kyler Murray running those controls, they're a 387 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: legit threat and they're going to give every single team 388 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: in the West problems. And if they get into the postseason, 389 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: it's going to give NFC offensive and defensive coaches a 390 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: lot to think about. Yeah, I'll say this about the 391 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: NFC West because a lot of attention on Russell Wilson 392 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray and what those guys are doing, and 393 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: rightfully so, But that Los Angeles Rams deef ense that is, 394 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: you know, and I know the San Francisco forty Niners 395 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: have had their injury issues on defense, that Rams defense 396 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: is by far the best defense in the NFC West. 397 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: And the fact that they got the win over Seattle, 398 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 1: they still have one more game with the Seahawks, they 399 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: have both games with the Cardinals. The Rams keep playing 400 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: defense like that and then you know, stay efficient enough 401 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,239 Speaker 1: on offense. Yeah, I mean, I I wouldn't put it. 402 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it past the Los Angeles Rams to 403 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: end up emerging as the division champion there. I think 404 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: it's just going to be really interesting how that how 405 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: that division unfolds, and uh, and obviously the Packers. Packers 406 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: are going to have have their eye on both the 407 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: Vikings and the Bears. Here, the Bears schedule gets a 408 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: little bit easier. The Viking schedule also gets a little 409 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: bit easier in terms of the opponents records. For for 410 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 1: the next few weeks, they're gonna be trying to keep 411 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: pace while you know, scoreboard watching on Sunday to see 412 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: if to see if the Indianapolis Colts, who beat I've 413 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: leave both the Bears and the Vikings. If I'm not mistaken, 414 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: If you hold on two seconds, I can get you 415 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,239 Speaker 1: an answer there. Mike, Yeah, I think. I think the 416 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: Colts beat both Minnesota and till eleven over Minnesota and 417 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: week two, and then they beat Detroit twenty one, and 418 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: they also beat Chicago nineteen to eleven. So elevens were 419 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: popular with what they were giving up against the NFC North. 420 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: My point being a team that knocked off those other 421 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: teams in the NFC North. Now they'll be watching to 422 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: see if the Colts can do the same thing to 423 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: the Packers this week. There's there are gonna be a 424 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of people in the Upper Midwest 425 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: rooting for the Indianapolis Colts on Sunday against green Bay. 426 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: No for sure, and it's gonna be a really good battle. 427 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: I think as much as last week I thought was 428 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: sort of a mundane week leading up to Jacksonville, given 429 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: that they've been on a seven game losing streak. In 430 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: green Bay, everybody just expected them to roll through them, 431 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: it's gonna be the inverse of that with the Colts. 432 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: I think we're wrapping up. I do have something I 433 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: want to say here, because you know this is unscripted. 434 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: We didn't really discuss this beforehand. I had a whole 435 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: uh soliloquy maybe or just a promo I wanted to 436 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: cut about David bok tr monologue. Thank you, David Baktr. 437 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: He signed a contact contract extension on Sunday evening, Actually 438 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: it would be Saturday evening. We found out about it. 439 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: Found Sunday evening, his second extension. I gotta go back 440 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: and look, the last time the Packers have actually re 441 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: upped a play or an offensive lineman for another four 442 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: year deal, and I gotta remember the last time that's happened. 443 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: It's been a minute. Brian Bulag had a five year deal, 444 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: but that was coming off of his rookie contract, David 445 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: bak Try and it's gonna be something I'm gonna want 446 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: to look into a little bit more this week. But 447 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: fourth round pick. I think it was the tenth offensive 448 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: linemen take in that year, in two thousand thirteen, Family Night, 449 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen. I will remember it the air. I 450 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: can smell it. Everything is just ingrained in me because 451 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: I remember that seemed like the game where bok tr 452 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: was going to make his big move to start it 453 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: right tackle. Yeah, there was some, there's some, you know, 454 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: the situation was unfolding. You could see the guy did 455 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: have some ability and they were finally going to start 456 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: giving him some reps with the starting lineup at right tackle. Well, 457 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: and this is when in in the off season, the 458 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: Packers had made the decision that Brian Bulaga, who had 459 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: been the right tackle, was going to flip over with 460 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: Justin and play and play left tackle for the first 461 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: time in his in his NFL career. So go ahead, sorry, 462 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: I interrupted you, Mike McCarthy. That was his big statement. 463 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: He wanted to have his best guys on the left 464 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: side of the line protecting Aaron Rodgers blind side. Well, 465 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: then lo and behold in that same game. I don't 466 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: even know how many snaps box he was able to 467 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: take Bulaga, we find out afterwards tears his a c L. 468 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: And now you suddenly have a rookie fourth round pick 469 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: protecting the blind side of a one time at that time, 470 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: one time MVP quarterback, a guy at the peak of 471 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: his powers and Aaron Rodgers and I wrote about this 472 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: Mike an Insider Inbox on Monday for Tuesday. This guy 473 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: made that look so seamless, and he's become an All 474 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: World All Pro, may be potential Hall of Fame offensive 475 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: lineman left tackle over the course of his seven year career. 476 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 1: But when you go back and look at two thousand thirteen, 477 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: what he accomplished that season with some of the horses 478 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: that he was going up against in the NFC North, 479 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: specifically the Jared Allens of the world. You talk about 480 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: baptism by fire in the NFL, and this is a 481 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: guy that was on a one win Colorado team. What 482 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: point I want to make with this as we close 483 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: is that we make so much every year out of 484 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: the draft and first round picks, and you know this, 485 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: that and the other thing. I think Luke Joco was 486 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 1: the second overall pick that season, and I think looks 487 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: out of the league now. Eric Fisher is still starting 488 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: for Kansas City. But it's it's always good to have 489 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: reminders of this because it shows the human side of 490 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: this game and how he may not have been the 491 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: most talented recruit coming out of high school. Heck, he 492 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: might not have been the most coveted offensive lineman coming 493 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: out of Colorado. But every once in a while you 494 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: get those guys that are just the liars, right, And 495 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: David Baxtr, for all intensive purpose, is going to be 496 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: a Green Bay Packer for a really long time, will 497 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: probably end up in this Hall of Fame, maybe even 498 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: another one in Canton. There are a few better stories 499 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: of the in football than David Baktr, and I think 500 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: that's a story that probably hasn't been told enough. Yeah, 501 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: I know we're going overtime here, but I want to know. 502 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: I want Yeah, we'll apologize to our producer, but I 503 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,959 Speaker 1: want to I want to come back at you with this. 504 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: There's there's no putting a price or a value on 505 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. And Ted Thompson drafted Aaron Rodgers with 506 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: the overall pick, his actually his very first draft selection 507 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: back in two thousand and five. But is there anybody 508 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: from a you know, scouts, GMS, they always talk about 509 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: wanting to get the best value out of every draft selection, trade, 510 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: whatever moves they make in the draft, it's all about value. 511 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: Other than Aaron Rodgers, is there any value pick in 512 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: the draft in Ted Thompson's career rear that is better 513 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: than a franchise left tackle in the fourth round. I 514 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: I don't think there is. And that's taking nothing away 515 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: from all the receivers that Ted Thompson drafted in the 516 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: second round and even finding the franchises all time leading 517 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: scorer in the sixth round in Mason Crosby. But boy 518 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: to find David Botry in the fourth round. And and 519 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: Bat will be the first to say when we talk 520 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: about the baptism by fire his rookie year in thirteen, 521 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: I remember him saying a few years ago he looked 522 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: back at some of his film from thirteen and fourteen. 523 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: He thinks he was just a god awful player. You know, 524 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: he he hated the way his film look but but 525 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: that but that's the thing, like he just he he 526 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: always just took it upon himself to make the strides 527 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: that needed to be made and and to not just 528 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: become a franchise left tackle, but as you said, now 529 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: a multiple All Pro selection, possibly headed to a career 530 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: that ends up in Canton in the Pro Football Hall 531 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: of Fame. UM the value pick there by by Ted 532 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: Tom in two thousand thirteen, I think it's I think 533 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: it's unmatched other than the franchise quarterback he found in 534 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: two thousands exactly and for a lot of years, you know. 535 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: And and it depends on what metric you want to use. 536 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: Clay Matthews and b J. Raji obviously helped them win 537 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, uh, those selections in two thousand nine. 538 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: But I think when this thing is all said and done, 539 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: you can probably make a good case that he's gonna 540 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: end up being the second best draft pick that Thompson 541 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: ever made. And that that's considering Nick Collins and and 542 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: Matthews and some of these other guys in two back 543 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: drs credit to I know he doesn't take a lot 544 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: pride isn't the right word, but I'm sure he cringes 545 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: a little bit when he thinks of thirteen. But as 546 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: I wrote about inbox, I still to this day cannot 547 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: remember a game in which it was just a nightmare. 548 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure there are some games where he felt like 549 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: he was off, but he never was a turnstyle from 550 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: day one, and now for the foreseeable future, going to 551 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: be blocking the blindside of Aaron Rodgers, a man that 552 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: he called his best friend and Rogers called his best friend. 553 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,479 Speaker 1: But yet they couldn't agree on whether or not they 554 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: were each other's but they were. They were sure what 555 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: there's an inside joke. They weren't sure what the other 556 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: guy was going to say. But yeah, well, hats off 557 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: to David Botier and congratulations on on his historic contract 558 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 1: and uh and yeah, he'll be around in Green Bay 559 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: for quite a while. Now. We've gone way over time, 560 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: but that's okay because this is Packers Unscripted and we 561 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: will call it a wrap on this edition. To be 562 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: sure to follow all of our coverage of the team 563 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: on Packers dot com. For West, I'm Mike. Thanks for 564 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: tuning in, everybody. We'll see you next time.