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Speaker 2: Trey Lance. Let's just go right.
Speaker 4: Cowboys thirteen twelve. Let's just go right there to Trey Lance.
Speaker 4: This is about Trey LANs need to see what Trey
Speaker 4: Lance could do. I need grades, gentlemen.
Speaker 2: Heckman, you gonna go to me first, right out the
Speaker 2: bud off the But all right, I'm going you know what.
Speaker 5: Look, what I'm not gonna do is make Trey Lance
Speaker 5: my whipping boy for the off season, for the for
Speaker 5: the preseason. I go to do that, okay, And I
Speaker 5: was I was judging him according to each throw and
Speaker 5: I came away with a C minus. I came away
Speaker 5: with a C minus performance. I mean, it's easy to
Speaker 5: say D or F, but C minus. He gave you
Speaker 5: some things athletically that it was like, oh, okay, I
Speaker 5: see you know six four twenty five, got wills, what
Speaker 5: can run? But he missed on a lot and and
Speaker 5: you know, Babe and the Bill, the broadcast, everybody, they
Speaker 5: didn't you.
Speaker 2: Know, they didn't let him go on it.
Speaker 5: They shown him, they circled it up and just let
Speaker 5: him know, Hey, he's missing some spots. Mechanics is and
Speaker 5: all the way there. And I think it's a byproduct
Speaker 5: of the time that he hasn't played in the league.
Speaker 5: But I can I can still see the potential and
Speaker 5: why they're buying in to Trey Lance. I asked some
Speaker 5: other questions. I'm sure we're going to get into that
Speaker 5: about Trey Lance, but that's my grade that I give
Speaker 5: him SI minus.
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm with you on the C minus.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go ahead and get I was gonna hit
Speaker 6: him with the D bud pause, but I'm gonna give
Speaker 6: him the C minus because, like you said, he showed
Speaker 6: some athleticism out there. And what I was most impressed
Speaker 6: with is he had a conscious effort to not only
Speaker 6: do it with his legs, but he wanted to show
Speaker 6: you that he can do it from the pocket as well.
Speaker 6: I mean, they let him out there throw it I
Speaker 6: think forty one times out there, only threw for a
Speaker 6: buck eighty eight, but he didn't turn the ball over
Speaker 6: and he did have a lot of drops out there. Now,
Speaker 6: he was playing with a lot of young casts that
Speaker 6: are you know, trying to make the team and are
Speaker 6: just now starting to get their legs fresh when it
Speaker 6: comes to the NFL, So.
Speaker 2: He had a lot of drops. But overall, like you said, heck.
Speaker 6: He he really wasn't accurate, really wasn't accurate at all,
Speaker 6: you know, at a at all the quarterbacks that played
Speaker 6: in that game, I think it was sets and Ben
Speaker 6: played all for the ram. Yeah, you know everyone Trey
Speaker 6: Lass and then you had you know, Cooper Rush, who
Speaker 6: throw an absolute dime earlier in that game.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think he was the second best
Speaker 2: quarterback out there.
Speaker 6: You know, he showed his athleticism as far as getting
Speaker 6: away from the rush if he needed to, and you know,
Speaker 6: he had a couple of good throws out there, but
Speaker 6: for the most part, he just wasn't accurate, and he
Speaker 6: looked like a guy that you.
Speaker 2: Know, you would think, Okay, man, this guy must be
Speaker 2: a rookie.
Speaker 6: No, this this guy's been in a league a while, yes,
Speaker 6: you know he And what's most disappointing is, you know,
Speaker 6: you get with the quarterback Whisper and Mike McCarthy going
Speaker 6: on year two, and you know, it's just we just
Speaker 6: haven't seen that improvement. You know, you would think you would,
Speaker 6: you know, get into this game and he's going against
Speaker 6: vanilla defenses and the twos and the threes for the Rams.
Speaker 6: He ain't going against the starters, and he wasn't even
Speaker 6: able to pick those guys apart like I thought he
Speaker 6: would be able to. He still reminds me of the
Speaker 6: guy that, you know, was fresh out of college in
Speaker 6: North Dakota State with seventeen starts, you know, not not
Speaker 6: that much improvement.
Speaker 2: And he's been in the league a little bit.
Speaker 6: So I'm gonna give him a C minus because he
Speaker 6: showed me that he he was able and conscious effort
Speaker 6: to go out there and try to do it with
Speaker 6: his arm, not.
Speaker 2: Just his legs.
Speaker 6: But I just got to see more improvement, more commandity offense.
Speaker 6: Hopefully we'll see that going into the preseason games. Six
Speaker 6: attempts forty four yards using his legs. That right there
Speaker 6: took him out of the D category because this is
Speaker 6: an aspect of the game as a quarterback. If you
Speaker 6: can use your feet pick up some yardage, this will
Speaker 6: help you. So we know Tray can do that. So
Speaker 6: he did that.
Speaker 4: But otherwise, in terms of passing throwing the football here,
Speaker 4: twenty five completions on forty one attempts one hundred and
Speaker 4: eight yards. That's not cutting it. That's not cutting it.
Speaker 4: Cooper Rush is number two quarterback lockings right now, just
Speaker 4: put it in there. That's what's going to happen. He's
Speaker 4: going to be your backup quarterback. And with all due respect,
Speaker 4: you know they've cut down the preseason games, so we
Speaker 4: know the last preseason game Church you've played in, I
Speaker 4: mean that's you know that you're not going to get
Speaker 4: anything there. So you've got this next one coming up here,
Speaker 4: and this is not gonna he's not gonna be able
Speaker 4: to do enough in one preseason game to say for
Speaker 4: anybody to say, hey, this is our number two guy.
Speaker 4: So this point in time, it's going to be Cooper
Speaker 4: Rush is the number two back up to Dak Prescott.
Speaker 4: Trey Lance is going to be the number three guy.
Speaker 4: He's just gonna have to try to keep on improving.
Speaker 4: I will give him this grace. This is where you
Speaker 4: hope Mike McCarthy and Scott Tolzen can keep working with him.
Speaker 2: I will go back to Cooper Rush.
Speaker 4: There was a point in time when Cooper Rush lost
Speaker 4: his job here, was cut, then had to go play
Speaker 4: for Jason Garrett and the Giants came back and he improved.
Speaker 4: So to me, the grace I'm giving Trey Lance is
Speaker 4: simply this. We have seen in this league, guys who
Speaker 4: can improve, Guys who can can.
Speaker 2: Start get better.
Speaker 4: Nick Foles absolutely never thought Nick Foles would be sitting
Speaker 4: up here as a Super Bowl winning quarterback and an
Speaker 4: MVP who, oh, by the way, beat Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2: But he improved, he got better.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at Trey Lance's that's the high end of
Speaker 4: what I believe he could do.
Speaker 2: Keep staying in this one system.
Speaker 4: Hopefully they signed Dak Prescott and maybe in twenty five
Speaker 4: he could eventually go and become a backup quarterback. But
Speaker 4: right now, with where the season is going and what's
Speaker 4: going on here, there's not gonna be enough time for
Speaker 4: Trey Lance to be the number two quarterback in my opinion.
Speaker 5: Look, guys, look, I'm not pairing no that I don't
Speaker 5: believe in conspiracy theories, but I was shocked at forty
Speaker 5: one passes. I was okay, and I'm just saying, I
Speaker 5: know it's preseason and it's not a lot to make
Speaker 5: of that, but if you look around the rest of
Speaker 5: the league, that just was a lot, you know, as
Speaker 5: far as his average. And to me, we left out
Speaker 5: of here on Friday and I was talking about he's
Speaker 5: not a bargainship and all that.
Speaker 2: Just get Dak signed the whole nine.
Speaker 5: But just based off of their actions in the place
Speaker 5: that they put him in, I'm like, hey, this is
Speaker 5: a let's see what we got under the hood kind
Speaker 5: of a situation right now for Trey Lance. And I
Speaker 5: don't blame him, because what would we be saying right
Speaker 5: now if Trey Lance went out there and he was
Speaker 5: twenty five or thirty two through for three hundred and
Speaker 5: fifteen yards and had two tuddies in certain precis controversy,
Speaker 5: because that's what you'd be talking about he'd be talking
Speaker 5: about what look the Cowboys embarrassing embarrassments of riches at
Speaker 5: the quarterback position. They have a decision to make it
Speaker 5: looks like Trey Lance is the air appearing things like that.
Speaker 5: So look, like I said, he's not going to be
Speaker 5: my whipping boy. I know that he has a lot
Speaker 5: to his game that is going to be desired to
Speaker 5: be c you can get he Look, tell me if
Speaker 5: I'm right or wrong on this, But when it comes
Speaker 5: down to quarterbacks in the league, you don't have to
Speaker 5: be the most athletic guy. Just stand there and deliver
Speaker 5: the mail. If these guys are running these routes, make
Speaker 5: sure that you get it to them. And as many,
Speaker 5: plenty of times that he was missing guys wide open,
Speaker 5: and it's just.
Speaker 2: Not even my belief. This is like the football Bible.
Speaker 5: A good wide receiver can't make a bad quarterback look good,
Speaker 5: but a good quarterback can make a bad wide receiver
Speaker 5: at least look decent.
Speaker 4: The touchdown, it was a touchdown. The fan that he
Speaker 4: just miss trade miss Oh well, oh yeah, he just missing.
Speaker 4: You've got to make that kind of throw. And that's
Speaker 4: where I go back into just the grace all right,
Speaker 4: young player, they'll go back. You look at the film
Speaker 4: and he's got to be able to hit that, and
Speaker 4: you hope that he can do that against the raiders
Speaker 4: coming up here if you get that opportunity again. But
Speaker 4: if I'm head coach Mike McCarthy and this is my
Speaker 4: last contract, hey man, Cooper Rush, you the guy Trey Lance,
Speaker 4: keep working over here. We'll keep on seeing how we
Speaker 4: can make you better. He should play a whole lot
Speaker 4: against the raiders, and you just keep on trying to
Speaker 4: feed him and see where it can go. But I
Speaker 4: just think at this point, heck, we have to really
Speaker 4: just be realistic about this and say, this is a
Speaker 4: project right now, this is a Trey Lance project. I
Speaker 4: wouldn't give up on the project. But it's a project, though,
Speaker 4: why not?
Speaker 2: Why not? Okay, Cooper Rush is up at the end
Speaker 2: of the year. Yeah, it'll be thirty Yeah.
Speaker 4: Do you want to keep going there or at some
Speaker 4: point in time because it's going to cost you, by
Speaker 4: the way, because this is a good back.
Speaker 2: A player who knows hit you about five you don't
Speaker 2: hit you in trades.
Speaker 4: You'll spend that trade trades, and that the prices will
Speaker 4: be falling Okay, with that Walmart rollbacks, that contract gonna
Speaker 4: be the Walmart roller.
Speaker 7: Bay great value, great value. Okay, I'm bought. That's the
Speaker 7: great value.
Speaker 8: Yes he is.
Speaker 2: So dude, we got to.
Speaker 4: Pay Micael right, So Coop, I can't give you a
Speaker 4: five million, But Tray I got.
Speaker 9: I got two capt crunch it's the parrot crunch over.
Speaker 9: You do the Ritos, Fruddy Stone, you know, got Frudy Stone.
Speaker 5: Oh man, you know you have doing all the negotiating
Speaker 5: for on his mixed contract right here on the players
Speaker 5: last man just telling the.
Speaker 2: Man where he is.
Speaker 5: And look, I mean even if you look at the
Speaker 5: San Francisco forty nine is where he was in Shanahan's system,
Speaker 5: and Shanahan is playing with perde mister irrelevant. I mean
Speaker 5: with that, they were all in on Trey Lance. So
Speaker 5: they I'm just talking about what they traded to get him.
Speaker 5: What they traded, what they gave away to get him,
Speaker 5: led me to believe that they were all in on him.
Speaker 2: He came in and showed them that he didn't have it.
Speaker 5: And sometime, based on your point, it's like what if
Speaker 5: a guy just don't just have it?
Speaker 4: Some guys don't have it Kyle got talked into that,
Speaker 4: he got talked to.
Speaker 2: He didn't want it.
Speaker 4: They talked to Lynch and can't remember that guy. They
Speaker 4: management was like this this dude and it's crazy. This
Speaker 4: dude was like in a mac jone.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but had that work out, but he was
Speaker 5: he loved.
Speaker 2: Look, they loved Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 4: That's who they truly wanted back in the day, but
Speaker 4: they had to go sell and get Garoppolo. So Purty
Speaker 4: fits the kind of guys that Shanahan wants here and
Speaker 4: Trey Lance when they saw he could do he shan quick.
Speaker 2: If you see a guy can't do it but you didn't,
Speaker 2: don't keep holding hanging on to it.
Speaker 5: It ain't the thriller's gone, baby, But you know you're
Speaker 5: trying to talk yourself into that's what you do.
Speaker 2: Know what you doing? Look at what Look at what
Speaker 2: you got out of Cooper Rush?
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, this man sat around here is with Garrett Gilbert.
Speaker 2: That's true. He buried Cooper Rush.
Speaker 4: You never would have thought Cooper Rush on Sunday n
Speaker 4: football through for thre hundred dards beat Minnesota Bikas on
Speaker 4: Halloween night.
Speaker 2: Again, that's true.
Speaker 4: That's all I'm talking about here is could he get
Speaker 4: to this point. Matt Hasselback is a guy we saw
Speaker 4: in Green Bay as a fifth rounder who kept improving
Speaker 4: and in eventually got Trey has not played. You mentioned
Speaker 4: it before we started looking at he didn't play a
Speaker 4: lot in college football. The problem for the forty nine
Speaker 4: ers and everybody else who was doing the evaluating is
Speaker 4: you evaluated a guy who didn't play. Same thing with
Speaker 4: Mitchell Trubisky that thirteen starts at North Carolina and with
Speaker 4: third team all a sec. Yeah, he's gonna get drafted
Speaker 4: before my Homes and Deshaun. There was misevaluate all day long,
Speaker 4: and so you've misevaluated him.
Speaker 2: You gave up afore. If he played for the forty
Speaker 2: nine Ers that year, they would have got No. Four.
Speaker 2: He'd have been like Fields getting a six.
Speaker 4: Right, you know it had been a giveaway, But because
Speaker 4: it happened before the season, you had to give up
Speaker 4: before and you met.
Speaker 2: The price tag.
Speaker 4: But now you're just seeing, hey, there's a little more
Speaker 4: work to go here. So before I throw him overboard,
Speaker 4: I'm just simply saying, heck, if you have the player
Speaker 4: for this year's under contract, if you bring it back
Speaker 4: next year under Dak Prescott and you get him.
Speaker 2: At your price?
Speaker 4: Is that the world's worst thing? Now, you can still
Speaker 4: go out and look for another quarterback. You should still
Speaker 4: keep looking, But if you're working with the player. And
Speaker 4: I had to have Mike McCarthy and Scott Tolzine tell me,
Speaker 4: Jerry Jones, general manager, we are seeing some progress, We're
Speaker 4: seeing some things.
Speaker 2: That's what I'd have to see. And if they tell me, nah, dude,
Speaker 2: we tried, we did what we could. We had a
Speaker 2: whole year. We may need to look on. I would
Speaker 2: do that too.
Speaker 4: But you're also go being a driver's seat, because what
Speaker 4: options would he have if he spends the whole years
Speaker 4: a third quarterback and he doesn't really play.
Speaker 2: Ain't be whole bunch to be a running out there sat.
Speaker 5: The problem with that is Mike McCarthy doesn't have a
Speaker 5: whole lot of time either with this situation.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why he's gonna be your number three.
Speaker 4: But that whole practice time when they spend, you know,
Speaker 4: when when they have another year to keep on trying
Speaker 4: to improve the play. And I just once again, I
Speaker 4: go back to what I saw with Cooper Rush, and
Speaker 4: I think That's a heck of a lot of credit
Speaker 4: to give McCarthy and his staff because I never envisioned
Speaker 4: Cooper Rush being what he is now, which is, hey, man,
Speaker 4: if Dak is down, this dude can keep you in
Speaker 4: the game. He's shown you I'll keep the ship afloat.
Speaker 4: In fact, we can stay in first. Only issue with
Speaker 4: that is that's when he snaps.
Speaker 6: Do you think a third string quarterback is going to
Speaker 6: get out there running?
Speaker 2: Is he going to be able to improve that much?
Speaker 2: Within the system?
Speaker 6: Cooper Rush was a backup, so he was taking at least,
Speaker 6: you know, three or four out of the ones reps
Speaker 6: during practice with the regular one threw out there, so
Speaker 6: he was able to improve that way. When we talk
Speaker 6: about your third stream quarterback, you know he may get
Speaker 6: a couple scout team reps when when Cooper Rush is
Speaker 6: like a let me, let me take a breather, he
Speaker 6: may get some scout team reps, but for sure he's
Speaker 6: not gonna get any first and.
Speaker 5: Now we're talking about a roster spot right now? Are
Speaker 5: we talking about a roster spot for him as well? So,
Speaker 5: I mean, this is just one of those you're in
Speaker 5: a pickle if you're going to continue down this road
Speaker 5: and this guy doesn't eminently develop into what you're what
Speaker 5: you want?
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Speaker 4: Let us dive into the news of the day, which
Speaker 4: is too much Ydoga the Cowboys left tackle. He's gonna
Speaker 4: miss some time, tard Archer reporting he's gonna miss time
Speaker 4: into the regular season with a toe injury here, So
Speaker 4: that means Tyler Geydon come on down. The rookie out
Speaker 4: of Oklahoma took twenty one snaps against the Rams in
Speaker 4: their preseason game, and to me, I'm looking at it
Speaker 4: right now as okay, here's Tyler Guiden.
Speaker 2: Got to get him ready.
Speaker 4: Their first game is against Cleveland and Differensive player of
Speaker 4: the Year Miles Garrett and awesome Richards kid they took
Speaker 4: out of North Carolina on Day three last year. It
Speaker 4: is time for these two gentlemen to get a whole
Speaker 4: lot of reps here at left tackle.
Speaker 2: That's that's my opinion. How you looking at it, Church,
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 6: It's time. It's time for the man to go in there.
Speaker 6: And one thing I will say is when he did
Speaker 6: get those snaps, we didn't hear his name called, which
Speaker 6: is a good thing when you were talking about the
Speaker 6: offensive line, because that means he wasn't out there just getting.
Speaker 2: Holding or being ran through anything like that. Now, now
Speaker 2: it's his time.
Speaker 6: He's gonna be able to jail with those Number one
Speaker 6: crew and see what they got because we've seen through
Speaker 6: these past couple of years. Like you always say this,
Speaker 6: the season is long. The season is long, so you're
Speaker 6: gonna need as much depth as possible. So for these
Speaker 6: two young gentlemen to get in there and get as
Speaker 6: many reps as possible, it's just increasing that fluidity that
Speaker 6: they're going to have through that offensive line. So for me,
Speaker 6: I think, you know, hopefully I Dooga gets healthy. Well,
Speaker 6: you know, we never want to see anybody go down,
Speaker 6: but I think it's time for Gutting to go in
Speaker 6: there and solidify.
Speaker 2: His position at that left tackle.
Speaker 5: Look, man, that left tackle position is so vital to
Speaker 5: the success of everything that you do on offense. And
Speaker 5: I appreciate the way that the coaching staff, the scouts,
Speaker 5: everybody's looking at this and bringing this guy along slowly. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and my little alarm that he doesn't start the game, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I am, But I do think that these joint practices
Speaker 5: are going to be very good for him and his development.
Speaker 5: But my thing is, if he ain't there, he ain't there, right,
Speaker 5: how long are we going to keep this project going
Speaker 5: Because we're not gonna put Dak in harm's way with
Speaker 5: a left tackle that is missing reaching and we've already
Speaker 5: gone through with this what this whole schedule is about,
Speaker 5: all right?
Speaker 11: And so.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, there are there are some things that I think,
Speaker 5: especially coming up to the Saturday game with the Chumidoga injury.
Speaker 5: Are they going to start him? How much is he
Speaker 5: going to play? How much are we going to get
Speaker 5: to see? We haven't seen those little bits and reels
Speaker 5: that the Cowboy media department always flits out there. Oh guys,
Speaker 5: why is that missing? I think he's missing for a reason.
Speaker 2: So let's see what that reason is.
Speaker 13: What to do?
Speaker 2: I have a question? What you got? What's your plan?
Speaker 2: B give me? Heck ma Harrison playing B Well, my players,
Speaker 2: guy can't go or if he just ain't got it,
Speaker 2: you can't get it. If you got it, but what
Speaker 2: you got?
Speaker 13: You know?
Speaker 5: I think you know, Church alluded to this last week
Speaker 5: we were talking about Tyler Smith. You know, we were
Speaker 5: talking about Tyler Smith and realizing that you do have
Speaker 5: that bargainship there, You do have a player that you recognize,
Speaker 5: even with like Zach Barton a little while ago. You look,
Speaker 5: you're not going to start the season with a guy
Speaker 5: that's gonna put you in any danger. And so when
Speaker 5: I came away from the game and just watching completely
Speaker 5: the offensive line, you know, I go back to my guy,
Speaker 5: Cooper Cooper bb EMA all day.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 5: You have a guy that you can bump out to
Speaker 5: the left guard position and also play Tyler Smith at
Speaker 5: the left tackle. Now, that's that's breaking the glass, hitting
Speaker 5: the red button. That's I just say that, I did you.
Speaker 5: I haven't said that, Yeah, yeah, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 5: But you have a guy that you recognize right now
Speaker 5: that Look, he's got some developing to do, and these
Speaker 5: next couple of weeks are gonna be crucial for him.
Speaker 5: And if they they're gonna be putting him out on
Speaker 5: an island. And if they can't trust him, no, you
Speaker 5: don't do that. If you can't put him out there
Speaker 5: on an island and man.
Speaker 2: But literally, okay, so it's awesome Richards. You know you
Speaker 2: can't put him out against Miles Garrett.
Speaker 4: You put nobody in their right minds in this league
Speaker 4: is gonna put somebody out on the island with with
Speaker 4: Miles Garrett. Unless you your boy out of San Francisco.
Speaker 4: There's not very many people who can go there one
Speaker 4: on one with him.
Speaker 5: You're gonna have to get on any offenses that are
Speaker 5: going to, you know, weld a tight end to the
Speaker 5: end of their left tackle. Either that's gonna handicap your
Speaker 5: entire offense. You're gonna go quick, You're gonna run at him,
Speaker 5: You're gonna you're gonna try and maneuver as much as
Speaker 5: you possibly can, but you just kill. If that's what
Speaker 5: you do, then you're limiting everything you do. If you
Speaker 5: have to play twelve, if you have to play twelve,
Speaker 5: if that's not what your system is. We're not gonna
Speaker 5: change our system for one guy. We're gonna believe that
Speaker 5: we can continue to run our system, but we're not
Speaker 5: gonna pu Dak in a position where he's sitting back
Speaker 5: there through on him on an island by himself in
Speaker 5: past pro That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Do you don't want no, Chaz Green episode is you
Speaker 2: don't want that? No, I don't want any of that.
Speaker 2: All right, this is all this is our worst case scenario.
Speaker 4: Throw a tight end out here, I'll throw I'll put
Speaker 4: hundred liftkeys, my fool, but I'll put them out there
Speaker 4: to make a rookie.
Speaker 2: Left tackle against against Miles Garrett cannot be out here
Speaker 2: left one on one, trust him. I completely agree on
Speaker 2: it's gonna be in eighty six sixty is gonna be
Speaker 2: that's gonna be right.
Speaker 5: What I'm saying is that's gonna limit. That's gonna be
Speaker 5: limit so much of your office by doing it. But
Speaker 5: look that, and I agree with what you said. It
Speaker 5: is you can bring a hundred lifty and chip on
Speaker 5: a guy like Miles Garrett. You gotta do every You
Speaker 5: gotta throw the kitchen sink at him. Oh and by
Speaker 5: the way, he's got some other guys up front that
Speaker 5: can get there too. So I'm I'm just saying that
Speaker 5: as much as we're talking about Miles Garrett, there's still
Speaker 5: other threats to go with, you know, a Schwartz defense.
Speaker 4: Sure, sure, but I'm at least making sure that threat
Speaker 4: doesn't get to me because I know he'll. I know
Speaker 4: he'll take a game record, right, he'll tear it up.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you don't, then Dak, ain't you know
Speaker 4: you I got four receiver. Dak can't go see notnhe
Speaker 4: because look it might be like that anyway. Fine, but
Speaker 4: I'll throw school Maker. School Maker. You you sit up
Speaker 4: here with guiding you two together. I will I will
Speaker 4: sacrifice a receiver in a route to make sure I
Speaker 4: got a tight end sitting up there with Guidon, to
Speaker 4: make sure we can slow down Miles geartt Yes, Swartz
Speaker 4: can do some other blitzes and loop other guys. That's fine,
Speaker 4: But I'm not about to leave Miles Garrett one on one,
Speaker 4: no more than I'm leaving Michael Parsons one on one
Speaker 4: or JJ Why.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's certain guys in this league. You leave
Speaker 2: one on one, you ask him for a problem.
Speaker 5: I completely got I got you on that. I agree
Speaker 5: with you to a certain extent. That's all so to
Speaker 5: a certain degree.
Speaker 4: I just I just see the Chazz Chaz Green then
Speaker 4: bringing Byron Bell still leaving the.
Speaker 2: Dude ugly to the game.
Speaker 4: I go to Tyrants, said Tyrant, I mean as a practice,
Speaker 4: I why why do that?
Speaker 2: Okay? I got when they did it, when Tyrone was
Speaker 2: out there one on one, but I was like, they're
Speaker 2: not you.
Speaker 4: He's like, that's just what we do, and to me,
Speaker 4: that's the coaching mount feast the end of the day.
Speaker 2: Chances.
Speaker 4: Okay, we're talking about Tyron Smith while he's playing for
Speaker 4: the Jets this year. You look at the band's resume.
Speaker 4: Is it is a Hall of fame conversation resume that
Speaker 4: they should be having in King. I don't know if
Speaker 4: he gets in, but his name, his candidacy should be
Speaker 4: discussed in the room and the ability in this league
Speaker 4: for a guy like that to hey, man, we can
Speaker 4: leave him out there one on one, you know, if
Speaker 4: it's Tyring, if it's old Tyrannt Smith not Tying. Now, hey,
Speaker 4: he can go out here and handle my Miles Garet
Speaker 4: one on one and ju he could do that. These
Speaker 4: other guys haven't done it. And for a guy like
Speaker 4: Geydon and heck, you notice he's playing right absolutely now
Speaker 4: you're going left.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So now, I mean, and I that's a difference.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be gross about it, but one
Speaker 4: lineman said, it's like trying to take a different hand
Speaker 4: that you normally wipe yourself with and go with the other.
Speaker 2: It's a difference if you going to the left versus
Speaker 2: you're using it right. It's a difference.
Speaker 4: And so you're already asking him to make a change,
Speaker 4: and that it's a big change. That's something we're gonna
Speaker 4: help you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I'm just saying game planning right now. I'm
Speaker 5: sure that Mike McCarthy and his staff is already game
Speaker 5: planning for that Cleveland game. And if it's with their
Speaker 5: rookie left tackle, then that brings a whole nother dynamic
Speaker 5: to it because of the matchup.
Speaker 2: Matchup.
Speaker 5: I'm only relating this to my experience when Terrence Steel
Speaker 5: started at right tackle, because you know, he wasn't the strongest,
Speaker 5: wasn't the fastest, got beat, he was off balance a lot,
Speaker 5: you know, and how they tried to help him with
Speaker 5: tight ends and stuff and chipping on guys going out
Speaker 5: that way. They just couldn't just completely send the guy
Speaker 5: over there help him for the entire game. There's just
Speaker 5: That's all I'm saying. And I think he's gonna be
Speaker 5: a liability no matter what. I just want to know,
Speaker 5: and I think we all want to know how confident
Speaker 5: we can be in him going into Week one. Right now,
Speaker 5: it's the great unknown. We haven't seen it. We're seeing
Speaker 5: it wrong. Between twenty snaps, that's none at all. And
Speaker 5: so that proof consistency, we have none of it, all right,
Speaker 5: you don't. And so not only that now, it even
Speaker 5: goes further than that from Cleveland to New Orleans to Baltimore.
Speaker 5: I mean he has the kitchen sinks being thrown at
Speaker 5: him at the beginning stealers. Absolutely, So it is a
Speaker 5: trial by fire. Who is going to be in that fire?
Speaker 5: Is it gonna be your rookie? Because I think in
Speaker 5: one hand, this coaching chaff isn't going to throw him
Speaker 5: to the wolves as if he's not ready because of
Speaker 5: what you just said, he's going from right to left
Speaker 5: the learning curve is if he isn't taking on that
Speaker 5: learning curve gracefully, and we need to give this guy
Speaker 5: rich I.
Speaker 2: Mean it's gonna be if he has a red shirt year.
Speaker 2: Oh lo, there's gonna be a lot of articles written
Speaker 2: on that.
Speaker 4: So this joint practice against the Rams is going to
Speaker 4: be huge for guiding and awesome Richards as you start
Speaker 4: to see, hey, hey, hey guys, we need you to
Speaker 4: start to come forward and make these advances. And this
Speaker 4: is this is where your coaching staff really has to
Speaker 4: come in with flying colors of Okay, we've got three
Speaker 4: guys that we have to get ready at left tackle, Guidon,
Speaker 4: Richards and Smith to figure out what are the combination
Speaker 4: is going to be not just you know for that
Speaker 4: we know injuries happen too, so so you've got to
Speaker 4: have these three guys get ready to go. I know
Speaker 4: Barry hates pro football focused numbers.
Speaker 2: Come on, here us with it. Hit us. I see that.
Speaker 13: You want.
Speaker 4: Well, I tell you what pro football focus like this
Speaker 4: is where you lose people. The way the coaching staff
Speaker 4: is not looking at this and saying here's a solution.
Speaker 2: This is high grated cowboys, wasn't it? It was a man?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, which which goes back to with the scouts toys,
Speaker 4: like they don't know what it is that we're looking
Speaker 4: for what we're asking you guys, so they're just going
Speaker 4: off wace of what they see. All right, let's get
Speaker 4: our second break in here. And boy, I feel like
Speaker 4: I just brought the house down.
Speaker 2: You did a little bit. You did a little bit.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about the defense and inter anything
Speaker 2: like that. We're dealing truth, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: If we go dealing truth, must be able to tell it,
Speaker 4: take it and live it. So we would do that next.
Speaker 4: And yes, there were four interceptions. There were should have
Speaker 4: been five possible was giving it away like Thanksgiving dinner?
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Speaker 4: go to defense. Now, it's okay that cowboy run game.
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Speaker 2: You know I was looking for and I was looking
Speaker 2: for the sweet feet up.
Speaker 4: Man, I'm just assuming that Mike's got some big plans
Speaker 4: and he's like, I'm not gonna bay listen to preseason,
Speaker 4: keep it under wraps, and then could cleanly catch him.
Speaker 2: Pa Schwartz will be like, oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 2: I can think. Mike was like, man, so yeah, don't
Speaker 2: even say anything. He We're just talking about talking about
Speaker 2: your defense. Don't say no. Can I talk about the defense?
Speaker 13: Now?
Speaker 2: The game man say his name, Al Harris.
Speaker 5: Say his name. Look, I know Mike, Mike is gonna
Speaker 5: get a lot of credit if this defense is successful.
Speaker 5: But I think just the overall conscious of this defense
Speaker 5: is Al Harris. And you can see it on the sideline.
Speaker 5: You can see his interaction with players. It was number
Speaker 5: thirty seven Eric Scott. He made the area like the
Speaker 5: what was it out of back? Yeah, he pushed the
Speaker 5: guy abound and you can tell just his interaction with
Speaker 5: coach Harris. You could you know, the trust between them,
Speaker 5: but also sending that guy back in and then you
Speaker 5: saw what happened, you know after that, So you know,
Speaker 5: I really I really loved that he was able to
Speaker 5: stay on the staff after dan Quinn left. And I
Speaker 5: really think he's a big part of the success that
Speaker 5: we're having with these guys that are are ballhawks, because look,
Speaker 5: Al Harris was him when he played, and I think
Speaker 5: it resonates with these players having a coach that not
Speaker 5: only knows what he's talking about, but a guy that
Speaker 5: did it and did it at a high level and
Speaker 5: the guy that you could buy into and trust. Yeah
Speaker 5: when it comes to this defense, and you know, I
Speaker 5: want you one hundred percent on on Harris.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know a lot of guys that I
Speaker 6: played with said he was you know, basically that guy
Speaker 6: when you talk about press technique like he guys went
Speaker 6: to him. You know, Ramsey went to him. Boy ya,
Speaker 6: those guys went to him to get his teachings when
Speaker 6: you talk about press cover. So he's an amazing defensive
Speaker 6: back coach. And you can tell that secondary just kind
Speaker 6: of kind of flows like he does. They got to
Speaker 6: swagger like he does out there on the field. You
Speaker 6: love to see that from your secondary. To me, you
Speaker 6: know what really kind of popped out on tape to
Speaker 6: me was one was Overshawn. You saw that speed. I mean,
Speaker 6: he he popped off the tape.
Speaker 2: He was flying.
Speaker 6: Everywhere off of that field, and you love to see
Speaker 6: that From the linebacker position. I like to see a
Speaker 6: little bit more out of Clark. You know, he had
Speaker 6: a limited snap, so I would have liked to see,
Speaker 6: you know, a little bit more from him out there.
Speaker 2: But overshan was flying.
Speaker 6: You like to see what Bell had back at that
Speaker 6: safety spot, and he showed up. I mean, player of
Speaker 6: the game, eight tackles and an interception. About that, I
Speaker 6: got to ask you about that.
Speaker 5: It's just obviously you being a safety that played at
Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage a lot, but also a guy
Speaker 5: that played in coverage. How difficult that is from him
Speaker 5: for him being that he was a linebacker now being
Speaker 5: that far off the ball and what that does to him.
Speaker 2: And his technique. Oh it was.
Speaker 6: It had to be extremely tough for him because for me,
Speaker 6: you know, I was down there a lot, but I
Speaker 6: was also back, you know when it came to third down.
Speaker 6: I was able to play half of the field. Last year,
Speaker 6: I mean, he was down there in the in the
Speaker 6: box pretty much the entirest year. So for him to
Speaker 6: make that transition, you see things different because it happens
Speaker 6: slower the further you are back from the ball, so
Speaker 6: you can't just bite up on everything you see it
Speaker 6: run you're thinking, oh, I'm a line I get down
Speaker 6: hill and they'll hit you with that player go.
Speaker 2: Over the top.
Speaker 6: So I liked what I saw from him being able
Speaker 6: to play that deep path of the field coming downhill.
Speaker 6: We know he's gonna be great and run support, but
Speaker 6: I loved it. You know, the athletic ability. Had the
Speaker 6: interception out there. Uh so he's shown some promise. He's
Speaker 6: shown some promise that he can't play that safety level
Speaker 6: because we know when it comes to Zimmer's defense, he
Speaker 6: likes those too high, and if you can't play high
Speaker 6: as a safety, you're not gonna be able to play
Speaker 6: in Zimmer's defense. So I like what I saw from
Speaker 6: him and the second round pick Kneeland. I mean, he
Speaker 6: he stuck up to a couple of blocks out there.
Speaker 6: He didn't like he was ripping off, but he kind
Speaker 6: of reminded me of of Tyrone Crawford a little bit.
Speaker 6: A guy that has an unbelievable motor. Might not be
Speaker 6: the most athletic guy out there, but he has an
Speaker 6: unbelievable motor.
Speaker 2: And you saw it.
Speaker 6: He was able to drive a lot of those blocks
Speaker 6: back into the run game. He was always on the pile.
Speaker 6: So those guys pretty much impressed me when it came
Speaker 6: to this defense. But I mean, you can't scoff at fourth,
Speaker 6: fourth takeaways. You can't scoff at it, man. I love
Speaker 6: that comp for Kneeland. If it's Crawford solid play for
Speaker 6: a very long time, you know, versatile can play all
Speaker 6: throughout the line. You know, I saw a lot of
Speaker 6: Crawford of him out there.
Speaker 5: And I think obviously we watched Mazzi, right, we had
Speaker 5: our eyes on Maji, and I think I saw some
Speaker 5: bright spots from Mozzi. I saw Mozi get up to field,
Speaker 5: see saw push. I saw some push, but I also
Speaker 5: saw him take on blocks and not get pushed to
Speaker 5: the safeties.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 5: I saw him kind of ground himself, anchor himself. But
Speaker 5: then in true Mozzi fashion, it's like, oh, okay, you
Speaker 5: know that that's a little off, you know, But I
Speaker 5: think he's a guy that if you can get his
Speaker 5: best in rotation. I've seen coaches do that, get guys
Speaker 5: to be able to do what you know that they
Speaker 5: can do best, and then get another guy to come
Speaker 5: in right behind him. I saw some of the guys,
Speaker 5: big Carl Davis, he had some good reps, and then
Speaker 5: our seventh round draft pick also had some good reps
Speaker 5: at the one technique as well, Chauncey Golston.
Speaker 2: They move him around a lot.
Speaker 5: I saw him out at the defensive end position, where
Speaker 5: I thought he was going to be more of a
Speaker 5: three tech than you know, on on the edge. And
Speaker 5: I think maybe through Sam Williams injury, that their experience
Speaker 5: that's you know, giving him uh that opportunity. But up front,
Speaker 5: that was all I was looking. I was wanting to
Speaker 5: see how this defensive line flowed if they were able
Speaker 5: to put any pressure on. Look, it's gonna be the
Speaker 5: tremendous challenge to this defensive line is stopping to run.
Speaker 5: You know it, I know it, and these guys are
Speaker 5: going to be They're gonna have to be able to
Speaker 5: tackle and stop the run.
Speaker 4: I want to see more of Hoko and Golston playing
Speaker 4: out and playing out the defensive end. So this practice
Speaker 4: coming up with the Rams and against the Raiders, I'd
Speaker 4: like to see that to see exactly where where some
Speaker 4: of that goes here, Mazzie Smith. Look, at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, is the word trust. At what point
Speaker 4: in time can we feel like you can trust Mazzie Smith?
Speaker 4: And trust requires three things. Time, proofing, consistency. So game one, okay,
Speaker 4: you know if pass fail, he passed for just doing
Speaker 4: a past fail grade he passed, do it again, do
Speaker 4: it again against the Rams and a joint practice, do
Speaker 4: it again against the Raiders. And That's where I'm at
Speaker 4: with Mozzie Smith. You have to show me consistently that
Speaker 4: you can do this to be the player that that
Speaker 4: they've asked for. I mean, we're sitting here.
Speaker 2: For being honest with ourselves. We're sitting around here trying.
Speaker 4: To nicely judge a guy who's a first round pick.
Speaker 4: We should be expecting more from him.
Speaker 2: I know it's year two.
Speaker 4: Year one wasn't going there, so he's trying to go
Speaker 4: down the road. But dude, if this team is going
Speaker 4: to be a playoff team, he must be an active
Speaker 4: participant in them stopping the run. He has to be
Speaker 4: because right now they have to show us behind doing
Speaker 4: Number two.
Speaker 5: Doesn't look like there's anybody now. It's a what do
Speaker 5: you always say, do or don't do? There's no try, try,
Speaker 5: and that's and that's where he is. I don't think
Speaker 5: there's a there's nobody that's, you know, giving Mazi a
Speaker 5: soft landing on where he is.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's heard the criticism.
Speaker 5: People are own him because of where he's been drafted,
Speaker 5: and that's how I feel the same way about guiding
Speaker 5: not to switch over to him. But I'm just saying
Speaker 5: like he's going to be judged according to where he
Speaker 5: was picked. This defensive line, as you just stated, Man,
Speaker 5: they are gonna have to stop the run. This has
Speaker 5: been the Achilles Hill forever. They have to get stops.
Speaker 5: Linebacker wise, Leah Fowl another guy that I was watching
Speaker 5: didn't really.
Speaker 2: Get out of it more. Yeah, yeah, I thought I
Speaker 2: would get more out of him.
Speaker 5: They had some other guys, number fifty seven, Uh, Buddy
Speaker 5: Johnson from Kimball High School, a local product, you know, boy,
Speaker 5: you know, getting an opportunity to get out there. Look,
Speaker 5: I just wanted to see this, these linebackers flowing, uh
Speaker 5: and getting downhill and getting tackles. One of the things
Speaker 5: that I do feel really confident in is our safeties.
Speaker 5: I mean, for a long time the Dallas Cowboys couldn't
Speaker 5: find the safety. And now you know we got guys
Speaker 5: like one year Thomas that's back there. I mean, now
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying with Bell, we have some
Speaker 5: We have some guys that can really play.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say they couldn't find I would say they
Speaker 4: didn't put a value in. They found church, but then
Speaker 4: they didn't want to pay.
Speaker 2: They didn't want to pay them, so they didn't find
Speaker 2: the value that could get my brain. I think we
Speaker 2: look at like but like we Wilson, you know, look,
Speaker 2: we're gonna pay you.
Speaker 4: Somebody got to Jerry and Steven and say, look, man,
Speaker 4: you got you gotta write some checks. You got to
Speaker 4: put a couple of zeros here in the safetyes. Fine
Speaker 4: because especially with the slot receiver, like the league is
Speaker 4: changing here. Because there's a while when he wouldn't pay
Speaker 4: me the linebackers. That was this THCINGD, we don't pay
Speaker 4: me to the linebackers. That's when he let Kenny Norton
Speaker 4: go and then you saw Ken goes to San Francisco
Speaker 4: and wins the Super Bowl there. So along the way,
Speaker 4: it's been very interesting how they have changed philosophies and
Speaker 4: when they decided to actually put some money into.
Speaker 2: The safeties and value it now.
Speaker 4: I think you said, you see what you're getting out
Speaker 4: of this bell coming out of Florida, A and M.
Speaker 4: They gave him a lot of money as a free agent,
Speaker 4: right so we spent that first year as a swack
Speaker 4: player adjusting to the league. Last year kind of had
Speaker 4: to play out of position. And right now I think
Speaker 4: we're seeing everything he had to do last year playing
Speaker 4: out a position linebacker now going back to safety and
Speaker 4: have an experience. You're seeing like, man, this is a
Speaker 4: good football player. So they invested in the player.
Speaker 2: They put in the time. I just don't think they
Speaker 2: did that before.
Speaker 5: We take that's you know, maybe that's the part of
Speaker 5: Will mcclay's brilliance is his ability to identify this position.
Speaker 5: You see it now with guys like land as well.
Speaker 5: Uh we I mean I know for sure, like the
Speaker 5: Simmons that was in Denver, I was crying a guy
Speaker 5: like that because you need it. I mean, after you
Speaker 5: have look at the NFL for so long and you
Speaker 5: see those safeties that are just game changes, game rerecords,
Speaker 5: guys that can get interceptions, And now I'm looking around
Speaker 5: and I'm like Malik Hooker Wilson, Now you have ball
Speaker 5: guys that are pushing for a position. How do you
Speaker 5: how do you keep players that are showing you that
Speaker 5: kind of promise off the field. So, I mean we
Speaker 5: went from not having none to some a bunch and
Speaker 5: so I'm loving what I'm saying in the secondary.
Speaker 2: Is it let me ask you a quick question to
Speaker 2: get back to the second level.
Speaker 3: Is it.
Speaker 6: Is it a lock that Clark and Kendrick is gonna
Speaker 6: be those two, those two linebackers, And I think Kendricks
Speaker 6: for sure.
Speaker 2: But the trust trust fact right now, what do you
Speaker 2: what are you gonna do? Is gonna go with the
Speaker 2: people he trust?
Speaker 13: Trust?
Speaker 5: Look I'm look, here's I think Overshawan makes this. He
Speaker 5: makes an interesting case. He's going to be one of
Speaker 5: those guys that you have to He's gonna have to
Speaker 5: be on the field. He's going to be in their
Speaker 5: rotation and packages. I need to see more out of Clark.
Speaker 5: You know, DeMont Clark had a bad season last season,
Speaker 5: and we had a bunch of tape in highlights to
Speaker 5: prove it. And so, like we were talking about the
Speaker 5: defensive line and stopping the run. That's why you bring
Speaker 5: in the Kendris because you know, his one thing that
Speaker 5: you know he could do is get downhill and get tackles,
Speaker 5: and so we have to be able to present that
Speaker 5: that kind of pressure at the second level. But right now,
Speaker 5: I mean, without knowing a whole lot about Overshawn out
Speaker 5: of Texas, you know, and then him getting injured in
Speaker 5: that preseason game, he really is just one of those
Speaker 5: players that I'm like, man, this dude is just got
Speaker 5: juice with him and that kind of quickness, that kind
Speaker 5: of explosion.
Speaker 6: He's a little undersized, but he reminds me of the
Speaker 6: guy from from Cleveland, number six flyingbacker. I pushed his
Speaker 6: last Yeah, but I think he could be that type
Speaker 6: of player on KOC or something.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a beast.
Speaker 5: I believe he was out of note I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but he's just one of those guys that can tackle.
Speaker 5: But it's just a high motor guy and it's gonna
Speaker 5: be flying all over the field.
Speaker 2: I like him. I like him a lot. I just
Speaker 2: you know, look, Clark, it's a lot of guys got
Speaker 2: pressure on him right now.
Speaker 8: So this is good.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is This is a.
Speaker 4: Good thing because we've seen too many times when they
Speaker 4: run out there and there was no competition, and then
Speaker 4: when it came to the competition they were playing against
Speaker 4: it a slap run over. So this is a good thing.
Speaker 4: All right, let's do it again in two days. Harrison,
Speaker 4: I'll be appreciate you ate appreciate you have new scrugs.
Speaker 4: And for Jazz, Josh, everybody who's the part of this.
Speaker 4: Chris Bean, we thank you. This has been a play.
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