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Speaker 1: Readily, readily dalks. Look at us now, tip to tip.

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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion.

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Speaker 2: That's the spirit we.

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Speaker 1: Bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Can you hear that passion? Can you? Can

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Speaker 1: you hear that character? Can you hear that charisma? Can

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Speaker 1: No? Well, we're here, folks, the best damn combat sports

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Speaker 1: show period, the best sports podcast in the globe according

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Speaker 1: to a bunch of voters as well on a few

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Speaker 1: different things. My name is Brian Campbell. It is Friday,

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Speaker 1: December sixteenth, twenty and twenty two, and you know what

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Speaker 1: we're here to do. Set the weekend straight. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about UFC picks, We're talking about show Tom Boxing, We're

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Speaker 1: talking about the news that is. But you might not

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Speaker 1: be here for me. You might be here for that

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Speaker 1: other guy, a native of New Delhi, India who's forgotten

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Speaker 1: more than one of his cultures of old there as

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Speaker 1: a Doha native and alum. It's Luke Thomas. Welcome back, Luke. Fridays.

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Speaker 1: We we f around in art up a little bit,

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Speaker 1: how you feeling today living?

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling okay. I'm feeling okay, had a crazy busy

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Speaker 1: That's the life we live and we willingly well will

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Speaker 1: it live it?

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the life right there. Okay, there

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Speaker 2: Everything builds everything. Cascades can't say that we're going to

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Speaker 1: Just a quick reminder from Wednesday's big reveal. February eighth,

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Speaker 1: Boys BCNLT Morning Combat one of the headliners, we are

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Speaker 1: going live at King's Place in London February eighth. You

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Speaker 1: Buyah shaka, Luke. Have you been watching the Shack documentary

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Speaker 1: No, Okay, it's I've enjoyed it. I've been entertained. Before

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Speaker 2: On for you, My wife finally had the I wash,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right, Daniel Snyder's kid. That's right. And

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Speaker 2: See how that goes?

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, get after that.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 1: I like Long Island Luke supporting your choice. They're saying

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think they'd blewed his fucking

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Speaker 1: But yeah they might go He's yeah, yeah, there we go.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into this weekend topic number one.

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Speaker 1: We set the stage, we previewed it, we hit the

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Speaker 1: storylines right now. You're gonna get some odds, some picks,

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Speaker 1: be just fine. Thanks, Luke. We're talking about the UFC though,

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Speaker 1: right now, and we're talking about middleweights. Two guys that

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Speaker 1: But Luke, they both need this win to keep contention.

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Speaker 2: This one the odds. I think sometimes they don't they're right,

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Speaker 1: It's a very yeah, you know. I mean, the odds

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Speaker 1: But something's got to separate them. And I certainly get

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Speaker 2: I'm looking like and like, you know, I'm gonna be

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Speaker 2: right is he held the title, Podata holds the title,

430
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,199
Speaker 2: Whitaker held the title. Against those guys, I don't think

431
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 2: it works at all.

432
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,800
Speaker 1: No, I like Cannoneer's chances here, Luke, because I like

433
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,439
Speaker 1: that he's you know, he's got the championship round experience.

434
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,800
Speaker 1: He cou's got a good guess thank he's very poised

435
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,680
Speaker 1: in patience. Sometimes I think to a fault on the

436
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,680
Speaker 1: higher he matched himself, but that can be a plus

437
00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,240
Speaker 1: when you got the totality of a potential five round

438
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 1: fight here against a high volume guy and Strickland, who's gonna,

439
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, ultimately test your cardio just by executing that style.

440
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,200
Speaker 1: But again, he's gotta hurt him. He's gotta. I mean,

441
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 1: you can't. I don't think you can go a point

442
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 1: for point against Strickland, you know, with the fear of

443
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,880
Speaker 1: if you go to the scorecards, that constant volume could

444
00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 1: sway the judges. So, Luke, we don't expect cannon near

445
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 1: to shoot. But what level will Strickland's wrestling playing here?

446
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 1: Because we talk about skills working up to a certain level.

447
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,880
Speaker 1: At a certain level, Strickland can be that grinder, take

448
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,159
Speaker 1: you down and be nasty with elbows on top. I

449
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,560
Speaker 1: mean there are there are That's part of his arsenal.

450
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 1: But does that work in this fight?

451
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 2: In your opinion, he might go to the wrestling. I

452
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,879
Speaker 2: don't think that he really will. I think the bigger

453
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:44,199
Speaker 2: issue might be Strickland's how Strickland's defensive wrestling holds up.

454
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 2: And his defensive wrestling is very good, like it's legitimately excellent,

455
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 2: and the takedown of it's funny the takedown of. Both

456
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 2: guys have better defensive wrestling than offensive wrestling, which can

457
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 2: be true for a lot of folks, but it's especially

458
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,959
Speaker 2: acute in their case. John Strickland very good defensive takedowns,

459
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 2: and if you look at like the Jack Hermanson fight

460
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 2: with Cannoneer and how Cannon he was able to like

461
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 2: to sort of athletically continue to scramble to get out

462
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,439
Speaker 2: of things that really benefited him there. But if he

463
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,360
Speaker 2: wants to take down Strickland as a way to mix

464
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 2: it up or whatever, I just don't think that's gonna work.

465
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,360
Speaker 2: It might work for Strickland because again, well Cannon here's

466
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 2: got good defensive wrestling relative to his offense, but it's

467
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 2: still not quite as good as on the defensive side

468
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 2: as Strickland, so something to be said for that. But

469
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 2: either way, I just don't think the wrestling will okay. Again,

470
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 2: one never knows. My hunch is that the wrestling won't

471
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 2: play a very dominant role. But watch me say that

472
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 2: and come out, and these two fuckers are gonna wrestle

473
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 2: each other like you know, gam Rock you in or something.

474
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: Uh you know. I'm playing a heavy Cannoneer card because

475
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 1: I like him better in this matchup. He is my pick,

476
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,119
Speaker 1: but I do he got he's got to stop him, sure,

477
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 1: But I think it's it's not just canny Stopham mean,

478
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 1: he's got to be the fit, more physical fighter in

479
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 1: the clinch. He's got to come out hard with the

480
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 1: lake strikes because again, in my belief, Strickland's style is

481
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,919
Speaker 1: to cannoneer's advantage because he'll be coming at him, will

482
00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 1: be close to him. But I think he's really got

483
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: to work in those kicks and really try to make

484
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 1: Strickland as stationary as possible to begin to chip away

485
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: and get him out of there. But on the flip side, look,

486
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to make it all about Cannon near

487
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: Strickland is coming off, you know, a really big loss.

488
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 1: I don't discount that Strickland is a smart fighter, despite

489
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, the very purposely crazy persona that he puts out.

490
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 1: Are we overlooking? Am I overlooking the potential for him

491
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 1: to really learn from that? As short as that poton

492
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,719
Speaker 1: loss was, it was devastating. So you know, is this

493
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 1: that was that a wake up call in ways that

494
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: we may that we may not be thinking about, Because

495
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: when you put a microphone in front of Strickland, you

496
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 1: get now what you should expect to get, just you know,

497
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: political weirdness. I mean it's it's he's more likely to

498
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,239
Speaker 1: get fired than we are, Luke, And that's saying something right,

499
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

500
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I tend to think that, like there's a positive

501
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 2: and a negative with the way he took the poton loss.

502
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 2: On the negative side, he was like, yeah, I'd find

503
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 2: him the same way again. It's like, well, then you

504
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 2: would probably get the same result. Like that doesn't seem

505
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 2: very wise. On the other hand, it looked like he

506
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: didn't take it to heart too much, you know, like

507
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: he didn't seem sure he didn't love it. I'm sure

508
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 2: he wasn't happy about it. I'm sure he was sad

509
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 2: about it in whatever way is that chol Strickland can be.

510
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: But I don't it doesn't seem like it like you

511
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 2: really like got down about it. You want to get

512
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 2: right back in there and get going. He likes heart sparring,

513
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: It likes consistent activity. You know, that's sort of what

514
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 2: keeps him sharp. So in that sense, I think it

515
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 2: will benefit him a little bit. The question is, you know,

516
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 2: if he goes in there with a very odd game

517
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: plan against cannonear, you know, I mean, he's not gonna

518
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: switch it up, right, like, so the whole point is

519
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 2: he has to have the right idea up front. Otherwise

520
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,239
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna come apart. But if he has

521
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 2: the right idea upfront, then it becomes the cannoneer obligation

522
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: to disrupt it, right. That's how that go.

523
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: And when you when you when we're thinking about potential additions,

524
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: are rounding out of Strickland's game to have potentially used

525
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 1: the poton loss as a you know, a change mechanism here.

526
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean him adding the jab and adding the ability.

527
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 1: I mean it's not that he doesn't have a jab.

528
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: I mean him owning the space in front of him

529
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: more often using that jab to whole distance. I don't

530
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,959
Speaker 1: know if he can pull that off against Cannon here,

531
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: who is a much more underrated boxer than people realize.

532
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: They're give him credit for. You I like, you know again,

533
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't always let his hands go sometimes. Cannonir is

534
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 1: two patient. He waits for the perfect moment. Right, But

535
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: that guy can can move his head, play angles, work

536
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 1: off the jab. I don't know, you know as much

537
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: as like, if you're strickling, okay, you might want to

538
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: keep Cannon air at distance. That may be playing into

539
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: something that Jared does well.

540
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 2: I don't know if I agree with that. I think

541
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 2: if they just had a striking distance at content at range,

542
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 2: more often than not, Strickling's gonna win that. Like, I

543
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: don't see him as the great disruptor, and perhaps in

544
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 2: the way that you do. I could be wrong. I

545
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 2: guess we'll have to see, but I don't quite see

546
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: him as playing that role where he's got like the

547
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 2: excellent craft dude, like what the Izzy fight showed, WHATL

548
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 2: have showed a lot of guys that he had. We

549
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: talked about him before, a great ability to game plan.

550
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: His team is very smart. John Crauchleo's guys at MMA

551
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 2: Lab do they know what they're doing. They know exactly

552
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 2: what they're doing, you know. But the problem he had

553
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: was that he could defensively neutralize Izzy and not really

554
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: put any offense behind it. Like he just couldn't get

555
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 2: it going. He has to make trade offs, right, He

556
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: has to make trade offs. So he has to make

557
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 2: the right trade off here where he's not too defensive

558
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: without you know, getting lit up obviously and then allowing

559
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 2: that the rest of them that dangerous part of his

560
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: game to breathe it couldn't breathe against Izzy. It might

561
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: be able to breathe against Sean, but I don't think

562
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 2: he can balance both quite as nimbly as you suggest.

563
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's hard because he plays chess, I meaning

564
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: Cannoneer better than people realize. That's what allowed him to,

565
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: you know, make that out of sign you fight interesting

566
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: if you felt that pockets of that were interesting. Obviously

567
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: it was more like I'm discreaming at the TV. Go

568
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: for it, throw your hands. But you know, on this level,

569
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: Strickland is not of that super elite level. Luke, and

570
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: I have my questions. I think Jared's boxing is gonna

571
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: do fine here. I mean, look, he boxed very well

572
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: after losing that Witaker fight and those two wins it

573
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: was Brunson and uh, I forgot who the other one

574
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: was that he got. Wouldn't he be oh Gastolum that

575
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: he took a decision from in a close competitive fight.

576
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: Gasolom really put a lot into that camp and came

577
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: after him. Well, I don't know all either way. I

578
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: like cannonder skills better. My biggest fear for him, though,

579
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: is if Strickland has consistent success volume punching, getting inside

580
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: without leaving himself open for big counter strikes. Will that

581
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: lead to Cannoneir being too cute, too perfect and trying

582
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: to land the right shot and have his overall offense

583
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: suffer in terms of scoring close rounds. That's the biggest

584
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: fear I would have for him. I do, though, like

585
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: we talked about, have questions whether Strickland can use wrestling

586
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: to his advantage and how that may alter this game.

587
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't expect Cannoneir to shoot at all, right, Luke,

588
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: under any circumstance, correct.

589
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say under any circumstance, but highly unlikely, possible,

590
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,719
Speaker 2: but I would put I would bet against it all right.

591
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: Uh. In PostScript, what does the winner get hair? In

592
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: your opinion, who's next for the winner? With there's a

593
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: big fight?

594
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: I still think that there's so they just added a

595
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: fight to Uh well, it was announced yesterday between like

596
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: Marvin Vtori and Roman Deliedze. You might get the winner

597
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: of that, like you might get the winner of somewhere

598
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: like that, and then the winner of that. You're not

599
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: far from a title at all at that point. You

600
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: could potentially even get it. Now, it remains unclear because

601
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: Whittaker has this fight allegedly with Paulo Costa, who suggests

602
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 2: not really there, and I guess the winner of that

603
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: would get the winner of whatever eventual rematch there might be,

604
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: so title shot, you can't be like, oh yeah, guaranteed,

605
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: but it puts you one or two fights away. I

606
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 2: would say probably two fights away. I would say something

607
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: like that.

608
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: The only wild card to that scenario, in my opinion,

609
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: is whether they ever like break glass and go, oh Tramai,

610
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: if we need to replace this main event, go fight

611
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: a top break middleway, you know what I mean, Like,

612
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: if anything like that crazy happens to alter that.

613
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: And then again that's the great point. There's always the

614
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: tramaia of sweepstakes out there and how that could change things.

615
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: But I still feel like to win like this, especially

616
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 2: if you're especially if your strickland excuse me, you can

617
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 2: bump back up in the rankings. This can do a

618
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,719
Speaker 2: lot for you in terms of getting you the marquee

619
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 2: matchups against former champions or would be you know kind

620
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: of guys.

621
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: Would you say a loss is devastating to either one?

622
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's a there's a time crunch to

623
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: a setback here if they lose, meaning they got to

624
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,719
Speaker 1: work their way back around.

625
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's devastating for cannon Ear. That's who would be DOA.

626
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it wouldn't be great for Strickland. Would be bad,

627
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: especially if it's like, remember we didn't discuss this. You know,

628
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 2: the guy got viciously kaoed by Patta. Now that wasn't

629
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: exactly like yesterday, but you know, other he spars fucking hard.

630
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: You know, like what kind of lingering effects could there

631
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: be that could open him up for the knockout A

632
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: in a subsequent contest. I guess we'll have to see.

633
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: But we talked about it on Wednesday, BC thirty one

634
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: years old for Sean Strickland, thirty eight for Jared cannoneer.

635
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 2: Like I you know, if he beats Strickland, he's still

636
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: kind of in the ballgame. But yeah, losing you know.

637
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: Let's just be real here, cannon Are is gonna win

638
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: by knockout Luke probably in the fourth cannon Air by

639
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: fourth run knockout.

640
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: He might do this is honestly, I'm gonna go Strickland,

641
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: but he might. He might.

642
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: I just feel like, you know, there's going to be

643
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: that moment where Strickland bites off more than he can

644
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: chew at a distance where he can pay for it.

645
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: And it's not just because of that, the way that

646
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: that happened with Poton, but you know it's you know,

647
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: we do have to see him bounce back mentally from

648
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: that just the same so interesting fight, big steaks, good

649
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: match making. Happy for that. But Luke, you have indicated

650
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: that this week's Sex Bowl comes in that comin event lightweight.

651
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: Well it's yeah, I mean, holy freaking crap. We're talking

652
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: about hammers. We're talking about the future of Hammeredom. We're

653
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: talking about very close betting odds here armand Sarukian has

654
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: only lost in the UFC at the very highest level.

655
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: Gamra Mahachev, we know about that. He'll be a minus

656
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: one ninety betting favorite when welcoming in the unbeaten the UFC.

657
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: Here the red hot de mirror Ismagulov is magoolaff if

658
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: you will somewhere in there is a correct pronunciation plus

659
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: one sixty, Luke, to set it up like this, I

660
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: thought back on our discussion on Wednesday, I crunch tape,

661
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: like Tom Cruise said, I need to I think you're

662
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: under rating Sarukian's striking game and the improvements he's attempted

663
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: to make, you know, since when he started off, when

664
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: it was merely a vehicle to set up his takedowns.

665
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: I mean, do I need him to be, you know,

666
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: at his very best striking wise in this matchup, for sure?

667
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: But dude, he's got the power and intention and I

668
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: think he's got the vehicles also to make that a

669
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: big part of this fight. And I I look, I feel.

670
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: I heard the interviews with him, I found out why

671
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: he's taking on such a hard fight. Nobody would fight

672
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: him in the top five or ten. He said he

673
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: hasn't turned down fights. He said this was the only

674
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: fight offered to him and Luke Thomas. He also said

675
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: Demir and him did some wrestling sparring in Thailand in

676
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: the past, and he felt that that gave him the

677
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: confidence that he knows what he's getting into. He's taking

678
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: this fight because that's how he's wired and made to

679
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: make as big of a statement possible. Damn, did he

680
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: come close against Camra. As much as we gotta respect Demir, Dude,

681
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: your boy armant Serukin's coming on and he's loaded and

682
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: armed and ready for action here, Luke, don't fear at

683
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: all about the well rounded threat aspect. He's going to

684
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: show you something striking wise in this one. So that's

685
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: my opening statement to you.

686
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, So I'm picking this mcgoulov in this one,

687
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: which is something I never thought I would want to do,

688
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: but I I have been cornered and I don't have

689
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: much of a choice at this one. I do not like.

690
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: Corner cornered is pressured. Why are you pressured to go

691
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: against Armenia here?

692
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: Well again, all the fights. I mean, here's the thing.

693
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: I think sar Yukiin's long term potential here is championship level.

694
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: I really believe that. I think he's extremely talented. But man,

695
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: I just think everyone and their fucking brother has slept

696
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: on Demir Ismagoulov, and I don't really understand why. If

697
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: you watch the tape on him, it is not fucking

698
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: difficult to figure out he is extremely good. He has

699
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: been uh taken down one time through his UFC fights,

700
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: and it was against another guy who, by the way,

701
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: is eventually going to enter the rankings, Guran Coutete Ladze,

702
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: a Georgian guy who's just a fucking hammer himself. That

703
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: was a brutally difficult fight. And what you notice is

704
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: that happened very quickly, goes off a trip from the clinch,

705
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: and he didn't even get him to get his hips

706
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: turned over. His hips were still facing the match, So

707
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: like wasn't even really a full takedown, that is it.

708
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: And every other fucking guy who has tried to take

709
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: him down hasn't even gotten close at all at all.

710
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: You add in behind the fact that he also can

711
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: wrestle offensively. He's not just a striker who can defend

712
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: the takedown. He's like well versed as a wrestler. He's

713
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: got one of the best jabs in the UFC. Listen

714
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: to the words I'm saying. He's got one of the

715
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: best jabs in the UFC. He doesn't take a lot

716
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: of damage, he manages around well, his balance is incredible,

717
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: his feet are always under him. This is in my judgment,

718
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: I would believe me, Believe me, nothing would make me

719
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: happier than being wrong about this. And sorry, you can

720
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: getting his hand raised, but I think it's too much

721
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: too soon. I think Demir Smagoulav is gonna wake up

722
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: a lot of people here who because this dude doesn't

723
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: speak English and doesn't do interviews in English, like no

724
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: one has ever, Like what was your favorite demir Isma

725
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 2: Gulav interview this week? Like it didn't make the rounds? Yeah,

726
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are about to find

727
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: out the hard way how good this guy is.

728
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: All right, Look, if he's if he's the goods, if

729
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: he's another hammer Luke, that I got to find room

730
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: for that we're pulling out hashtag holy Hammer, then then

731
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: maybe you're right. But if I'm going to devil's advocate

732
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: that take, and again, I mean, your guy's on fire,

733
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 1: he's well, you know he's great. I watched the tape too,

734
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: it's very good. He's technically amazing. But Luke Thomas, he's

735
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: coming off a split decision. He hasn't been a finisher

736
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: on this level, and he went the distance against Joel Alvarez,

737
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: who Sarayuki and I mean turned into a horror film

738
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: against Luke and violently finished. Experience wise, in the UFC,

739
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: you'd have to, even with the defeat, you'd have to

740
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: give a heavy edge to Sarayuki. And so how much

741
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: does that matter or is to me? Are just you know,

742
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: another Shav cut rock Modoff, another guy who's just like

743
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who they fought or have him fought,

744
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: give them the chance and watch what happens, Luke, I

745
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: think you're I mean, so you guys are meaning.

746
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: I would actually say, I would actually say it's mcgoulav

747
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: gam Rot fight notwithstanding, but I would actually say as

748
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 2: mcgoulov's actually had a tougher run through the UFC in

749
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: the UFC. In the UFC, yeah, I mean the first Well, okay,

750
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: so let's go through these here very quickly.

751
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he hasn't fought anybody, dude, I'm not

752
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: saying that.

753
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: But I understand. So he thought Alex Gorges, who you know,

754
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: was totally overmatched. That one doesn't mean much for me.

755
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: But then he beat Joel Alvarez, okay, quality opponent. Then

756
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: he beat Thiago Moisas quality opponent. Then he beat half

757
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: al Alvez quality opponent, and then he beat Lozzi. And

758
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: I know that folks don't know who that is. You're

759
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 2: you're gonna trust me when I tell you, You're gonna now.

760
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: Sar Yuki and has had an interesting run as well.

761
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 2: He had well, he had Makachev so the makat Chef fight. Okay,

762
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: that that would make it over the top. But in

763
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: terms of the wins, yeah, oh a m daby hamah Am.

764
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: Come on, dude, that's your PFL champion. And I didn't

765
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: need the smart case to remind me of that.

766
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 2: Luke put some respect, can quality win. But you know

767
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: who's tougher, Kuta their lazzi or o Am like Kuta

768
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: their lazzi is way tougher.

769
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: Okay, you know I got in.

770
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: The middle of his resume, has got Matt Frovola and

771
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: Kristo's chiagos are not especially difficult in my judgment, and

772
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: then he has the loss to Gamra, so like you

773
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 2: could even you could because of Makachev being his UFC

774
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 2: the DFC debut, fine, I will, I will like uh,

775
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: I will grant that overall he has had a tougher run,

776
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: but that initial debut notwithstanding. Since then, like their last five,

777
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: I would say, is Magoulav's last five have been probably

778
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 2: just as tough, if not tougher.

779
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: Would you say though, that Sarayukin is the only person

780
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: that like made Islam work and that like.

781
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, showed us at that point it sounds like

782
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: I'm shitting on the guy that I like. I'm not

783
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: shitting on the guy that I like. I think that

784
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: this is too much too soon. I think that's the problem.

785
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: He's got good positional control, he's got phenomenal athleticism. He

786
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: is a better wrestler than this is mcgoolov. But the

787
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: question is like how much better? I guess that's really

788
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 2: that's what this fight comes down to, right, Like how

789
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: much better of a wrestler is arminsar Yuki and Thangolov?

790
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: And if the answer is substantial with then all of

791
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 2: my analysis is out the window. But watching what Ismaoulov

792
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: has done previously, I tend to think that there's a

793
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: there's a difference, but not a substantial one. And because

794
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: there's not a substantial one, there won't be a substantial difference.

795
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 2: And also, by the way, the wind the win ofver

796
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 2: kutzt Delazzi, they have it wrong in here. It was

797
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 2: a majority decision. And by the way, the one judge

798
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 2: who had it a tie ready for this, Douglas Crosby.

799
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 2: Douglass Crosby, that.

800
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: Is that is perfect, by the way, Wow, And you know,

801
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: just but you know we are getting emotional here, But

802
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: this is still a you know, not a pick them,

803
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: but pretty damn close. And yes, both of these guys

804
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: in the long run are probably gonna do great things.

805
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: But I don't know. It's interesting. So you're framing it

806
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: under the idea of which the stats will tell you. You're

807
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: not wrong to suggest this that if Saryukin cannot consistently

808
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: take him down and make those takedowns matter, then on

809
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: the feet he's gonna have problems with someone like Demir.

810
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: That's what you're telling me right now.

811
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think Demir is aided by the fact

812
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 2: that he can wrestle like he's again I want to

813
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: speak with. It's not one of these guys who's like

814
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: a striker who just learned how to wrestle. I mean,

815
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 2: that may be his story, but if you just look

816
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: at the way he wrestles, he can do it fluidly

817
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: in both directions. He's a very good wrestler. He is

818
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: aided by the fact that folks under they sleep on

819
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: this his JAB cannot say it over and over again

820
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 2: without like really being like as emotive as I am.

821
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: His jab is excellent, and that helps him define the range.

822
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: It helps him set up his other punches. It helps

823
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: keep him safe. Here's one thing I will note be

824
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 2: see all of his UFC fights have gone to a decision,

825
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: all of them, all of them. He is not a

826
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: power puncher. So if this were a five round contest,

827
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 2: I think we'd have to somewhat alter how we're viewing this.

828
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: But it's a three round and I know what folks

829
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: are saying. Wait, wait, it's Magoulov Saryukian's three and Strickland

830
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 2: Cannoneer is five. They got it backwards, they got it backwards.

831
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: But that's how it is. That's what we's we've got

832
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: this weekend, and so for three rounds, it's Magoulov's cardio

833
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 2: will not drop. This is too tough, too soon for me,

834
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: and I listen, Okay, I want to I want to

835
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 2: warn folks. I am a I'm a negative person. I

836
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: think that's a that's it.

837
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: You're a You're a negative Nancy, A Debbie Downer, an

838
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: old beat tweet.

839
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so so so couch whatever analysis I'm giving

840
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 2: you with that in mind, but truly I mean this.

841
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 2: I think that for twenty five years old Saryukian is

842
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: just a superb fighter, but the very unique contours of

843
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 2: this fight give me a lot of concern.

844
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: All right, as much as you framed it your way,

845
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: my way. Yes, I need Saryukin to be able to

846
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: use offensive wrestling and potentially, you know, do something with

847
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: it for sure. No, I agree he can't. I don't

848
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: you know. I think Demir's too technical for for sarayuki

849
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: In to just try to purely out box him or anything,

850
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: or I'll kickbox him on that level though. Again, so

851
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 1: you can. Even in the Gamra out fight, Luke much

852
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: more confident and sharp with his boxing. But it's got

853
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: He's gotta inflict some level of physical damage. He's got

854
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: to use the three rounds to his advantage here and

855
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: make the magic happen with with you know, aggression and

856
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: be physical in the transitions like the like the the

857
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: clinches and stuff like that. I mean, this is he's

858
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: got to step up. I just feel like we all

859
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: believe he's wired to do so. So, Look, he's our,

860
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: He's Armenian, but from Georgia. I want to make sure

861
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: I get this ready right.

862
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 2: No, he's Armenian but lives in Russia. There's there's a

863
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: close connection between Armenians and Russians. I mean it's a

864
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: former satellite state. But but yeah, okay, he was.

865
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: Born in Georgia. Yeah he was. He was born in Georgia.

866
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: I got it now. I mean, you know both, so

867
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: both of you guys came of age in Georgia. That's interesting.

868
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: But Luke, the thing is, uh, you know, as much

869
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: as as we we're gonna need a lot from sarekiin here.

870
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: I just think he has the goods already. It's just about,

871
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: you know, shifting things around on the shelf and and

872
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: and get it in the right order and balance it out.

873
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: I don't discount what Demir can do. But you also

874
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 1: mentioned he's been a decision fighter up to this point.

875
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: He's going to have to control a lot of this

876
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: fight technically while avoiding danger. And I need arment so

877
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: you can to create that danger. I think he can.

878
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: I think he can win an exciting close. It's gonna

879
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: have to be close against a guy that skilled in Demir.

880
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: But you know, I have questions if Damir can then

881
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: make the continue to make the leap on the run, Like, look,

882
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: if he comes out, if your boy wins this, we

883
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: already established he's got to kind of win on his

884
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: own terms and control it, which is in play. I mean,

885
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: maybe he's not Schafcott Rockmanov part two, but like that

886
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: level of of like oh shit is gonna be behind him.

887
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: So you're basically saying this guy is fucking the goods, right,

888
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: Like I mean, you're putting this stands.

889
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: It's a funny comparison. Obviously, chofcout. Rockmanov is a very

890
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 2: different fighter, different weight class, the whole thing. But if

891
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: I had to say, like what unites Rockmanov and Ismagulov,

892
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 2: it would be that, like isma Gulov doesn't have any

893
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: of the danger of his game that Rockmanov has. Like

894
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: Rockmanov can knock you down, grinding pound, he's got great

895
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: subs whatever. But in terms of like being defensively sound

896
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: and patient and calm and making good decisions and like

897
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: kind of fundamental everywhere, Yeah, I would say that unites

898
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: them for sure. Romanov though, just Rockmanov is just a

899
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: different fucking animal. I mean, he's you know, he's gonna

900
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: be a champion. He's he's amazing.

901
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: You got you got twenty nine, twenty eight.

902
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: Uh, Demir, Yeah, I think Demir is gonna do what

903
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: he's been doing. I think in the end, if they

904
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: fight in two to three years, I think it's a

905
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: totally different ballgame. But I think Demir is a little

906
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: bit ahead in his development relative to sar Yuki, and

907
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: I think that's gonna show. But listen, if we get

908
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 2: it wrong, I'll come here eat cro pie on Monday

909
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: or whatever.

910
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's serve it to you, Luke. Happily, sar Yukin

911
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 1: has leading man potential. Luke, Okay, he doesn't. You don't

912
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: need to put this guy in a buddy cop. Let's

913
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: let's make him the star. He's coming on. It's it's time, Okay, right,

914
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: has risen? All right, this is this one for Edmund.

915
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: All right, he will move his head, I know armand

916
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: he will. He will, Luke. Okay, there we go. Hey,

917
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: let's keep going down this card. Dude. That the more

918
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: and more I think about it, Drew Dober versus Bobby Green, Luke,

919
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: they are going to bang, and the odds are very close,

920
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: with Dover minus one fifty Bobby Green plus one thirty.

921
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: But something we didn't mention on Wednesday, I did want

922
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: to ask you. Green is coming off of this Usada hiccup,

923
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: and look I don't know if you heard his interviews

924
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: this week, but they damn they've been colorful. Luke, there's

925
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: an interesting ran about you know. He probably he thinks

926
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: is Lamaha Chev has been taking stereoids since he was

927
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: a child, and that's why guys from that region are

928
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: so strong. I mean, Bobby Green was going off on

929
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: the Mike, Luke. Uh, he's gonna get stopped here, isn't he.

930
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. Bobby Green is a slickster.

931
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: Bobby Green is a slickster. Bobby Green has good boxing.

932
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 2: He has good I think, like pretty good defense, Like okay,

933
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: his striking defense according to five metric Judobra fifty that's

934
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: about normal. About fifty percent is about right, dude. Well

935
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: Bobby Green's that's sixty two, sixty two percent, that's pretty good,

936
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 2: seventy two percent takedown defense. I think Dover is massively improved,

937
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: which we saw in his last fight against Alvas, and

938
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 2: he's a better kick boxer. But Bobby Green's a better boxer.

939
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: And I think this is really going to come down

940
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: to who defines the terms of the range. Uh, you

941
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: said the odds, I did not. I mean, go back

942
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 2: and look at it one more time. How do they

943
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: have it? They have Dober as a minus one fifty

944
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: Green as a plus one thirty. Yeah, that's probably right Dover.

945
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: I think Dob takes the fight a little bit more intentional,

946
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: whereas Green kind of just reacts to what his opponent

947
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 2: does and then tries to box him up a little bit,

948
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: which may or may not work in this case. But

949
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 2: Bobby Green can definitely win this contest. I think the

950
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: odds are probably just about right, and if Dover is

951
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: not careful, by the way due Dober gets dropped a

952
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: lot like Dober got dropped and hurt in his last contest,

953
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: you know this is on the table for sure. This

954
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: I'd be curious to hear. Why do you think is

955
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: that much of in your mind a favorite?

956
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: The last two fights consecutive knockouts. Yes, he welcomes damage,

957
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: but right now he's he's a pocket rocket Luke, and

958
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: I think he's figured out some levels of his craft

959
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: to rein in his defense a bit and try to

960
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,959
Speaker 1: just be smarter in his game planning. Although I think, look,

961
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he's a he's an athletic,

962
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: you know, striker and goes after it, But I I

963
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: do think this is a very important fight on Bobby

964
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: Green's career arc. And you know, he had kind of

965
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: like raised himself above the level of of you know,

966
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: every man with that recent run that led him to

967
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: the Machev fight, and you know, and he's always willing

968
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: on short notice, but you know, he's also advanced in

969
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: age and experienced Luke, and I think, you know, if

970
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: he's gonna win this, he's gonna have to prove that

971
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: he's that that wasn't like a Mosvidal season of just

972
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, lighting a bottle. Figured out how to be

973
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: as good as I can for a season. I have

974
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 1: questions if he can maintain that is really my biggest

975
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: question here. And I think Dover's coming on and is

976
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: going to make this a fight where, even though the

977
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,479
Speaker 1: odds are giving respect to this, the skills that Green

978
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: really does have. I mean, Green's you know, fun to

979
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: watch as he flows as a striker, but look, he

980
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: welcomes danger as well at times and is willing to

981
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: go mono I mono. And I just think Dover has

982
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: figured out right now how to be as offensively dangerous

983
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: as possible while still being somewhat somewhat responsible. I mean,

984
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: you know, to a point, Luke right, he's coming to

985
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: that party to steal your beer and probably take money

986
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: of this.

987
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: He's definitely gotten more resilient over time. Like learning how

988
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: to fight hurt. We don't ever talk about that, but

989
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: learning how to fight hurt, and learning how to fight tired,

990
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: and then learning how to fight when you're hurt and tired.

991
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: These are skills. These are skills you have to work on,

992
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: and sometimes that are very difficult to work. It's easier

993
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: to work on them being tired than hurt in a

994
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: training situation. But he's gotten really good at that. It

995
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: cost him a little bit in the Redell fight where

996
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: he wasn't really able to work that through, but in general,

997
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 2: in the last contest, he was able to make that work.

998
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: And that's a real big benefit. He can get dropped

999
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: and not lose actually the bearing that you think someone

1000
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: in this case might you know, I don't know if

1001
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: I don't know how I feel about Bobby Green, Like

1002
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: he's kind of all over the place, a little bit

1003
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 2: two years older. You know, he's a little bit hard

1004
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 2: to pin down in terms of like what you can

1005
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 2: count on from him. But the thing is, I do

1006
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: think he's got good defensive movement. I do think, you

1007
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: know what, I might pick Green here. I might pick

1008
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: Green just for shits and giggles. I'm not even really

1009
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: sure if he's gonna win, but just for fun on

1010
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: the show, I'll take Green and say I think that

1011
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: his slick boxing might be the difference maker.

1012
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look, nobody, as you like to off and say,

1013
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: nobody actually knows who's gonna win. Luke, I mean I

1014
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: knew would Ley till I fucking knew that, you know

1015
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: what I mean.

1016
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 2: Picks are stupid, but people like them for fun, and

1017
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: I hope people understand my picks are bad. Don't bet

1018
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: on them. But you know, if you can get some

1019
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: insight one way or the other, I hope it works.

1020
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean we all get hooked on a feeling.

1021
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 1: But you know how many times is a fight going

1022
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: to going to plan for your prediction and then it

1023
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: falls apart. This sport is wild. Well, I mean, look,

1024
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: you could do everything right and then it goes wrong.

1025
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: You know, it's like life, right, Yeah, I mean I've

1026
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: mostly been doing it wrong this whole time, but yeah.

1027
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: Things have been going right the last three years you

1028
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: would say that, right, because I said something to get

1029
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: you these three years of joy, Luke, Okay, us coming together?

1030
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: Wow right, what a what a collision in the desert

1031
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: and the sparks and and.

1032
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 2: You know what, totally lackjoy was the pre show call today, Luke.

1033
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,479
Speaker 1: I love I love creativity, and and I love our fans. Okay,

1034
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: that's all I'll say. I love that.

1035
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not even disagreeing with you. It wasn't.

1036
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 2: But folks who have known what I'm I don't know

1037
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 2: what I'm joking about. BC and I didn't have a disagreement.

1038
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: We're fine. But BC and some other motherfuckers had a

1039
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: big old disagreement.

1040
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: Don't don't try to put my passion in a bottle, Luke. Okay,

1041
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: that bottle will burst in on your on your loins,

1042
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: It'll spoil your loins. Yeah, I believe that, Luke. Are

1043
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: you know short of me taking this this this next

1044
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: one in the direction of shyannev listmiss with there anything

1045
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: else you wanted to say about the fights above or

1046
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: below hers.

1047
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: Luke, of course you would that direction. Let me just

1048
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: see there's anyone you know the Julian Rossa, Alex Casseros

1049
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: fight is kind of interesting. I think Arosa is probably

1050
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: better at this point and should win this one, but

1051
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 2: he gets hurt and dropped and fucked up and finds

1052
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 2: ways to come back, but then sometimes doesn't. He kind

1053
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: of is like a wild card in that way. Also,

1054
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: the other one I think is worth paying attention to,

1055
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 2: you could say say you'd never got made of. But

1056
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: the one I really really liked, the one I think

1057
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: it's kind of interesting is Jake Matthews, who looked unbelievable

1058
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: in his last contest. There was a guy who I

1059
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 2: thought they'd fucked up his development, and you know, one

1060
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: fight doesn't completely offend it, but he looked so good

1061
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 2: against Yalio. I was just like, Wow, we got to

1062
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: see what this kid's all about. So the fight against

1063
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: Semilsberger should be fun. He should win that one, but

1064
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: it should be fun.

1065
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: Look for our Polish fans who love Punchki's and Joanna

1066
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: as much as I do. You never talk about alf

1067
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: f Arran impersonator mihal Olek Shayshik, who's a minus two

1068
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: to seventy five favorite, fresh off his victory against Sam Alvi.

1069
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: Against Cody Brundage, a husband of ABC. Luke, you don't

1070
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: care about that fight at all? Is that what you're saying?

1071
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have any I like either fight er.

1072
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: I think they're fine and good even, but the fight

1073
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 2: doesn't do a lot for me.

1074
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: I mean, just look, just do this so we understand. Okay,

1075
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1076
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 2: Right, yeah. That karate chopping in the air has never

1077
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: gotten this show in trouble.

1078
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean you got to understand what it meant.

1079
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: It didn't mean where you thought it meant. Luke, Okay,

1080
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 1: all right, oh god, all right. Luke as a minus

1081
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: one ninety favorite potentially here in the ESPN plus prelimbs

1082
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: featured about the women's strawweight division, offers us the return

1083
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: of Cheyenne b Lissmiths as a favorite and a featured role.

1084
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 1: Looking to extend to three wins in a row. Plus

1085
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: one sixty, Corey McKenna stands in her way, Luke, give

1086
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 1: me one reason to stay here, or I'll turn right

1087
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: back around. Why should I not put all the money

1088
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: on Cheyenne?

1089
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: Why should you not put all the money on Cheyenne?

1090
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? You gotta, you know, if you believe in your

1091
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: favorite fighters, you gotta put your money where your mouth is,

1092
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: unless unless you're like James Cross and you're like two

1093
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: in deep, you know, then you gotta respect the boundaries.

1094
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: Why should you not put all of your money in Chyenne?

1095
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: Let me think that through. That's an interesting question. All right,

1096
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: So she's taken on Cody Corey McKenna A right, if

1097
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, So that's yes, Yeah, it's correct. BC.

1098
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: She does have high output list, miss. I think that's important.

1099
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 2: McKenna's defense is not superb. The only issue here is

1100
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 2: McKenna will go for a lot of takedowns two or

1101
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes Listmuths almost nothing, So really the takedown defense

1102
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: has got to be on points seventy three percent existing

1103
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: for of Lissmiths, she's gonna she's gonna need that. So really,

1104
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not gonna say striker versus grappler, that's

1105
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: a little bit overwhelmed because here's Lisamuths on top right

1106
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 2: doing phenomenal ground pound work. So it's not like she

1107
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: can't do it. They're either. But I will say that

1108
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 2: probably against this particular opponent, keeping it on the feet

1109
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 2: for at least the majority of the time is gonna

1110
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: be in her interest. Can she do that? Probably probably

1111
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 2: is the answer, but we're gonna have to see.

1112
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: I think she's just starting to put her striking together,

1113
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: meaning she has like a gymnastics background. Lucan is a

1114
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: very good athlete, and you know her that one finish

1115
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: she had two fights ago kind of showed that. But like,

1116
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: if she starts to figure this out a little bit

1117
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: more and and can make more dangerous offerings in the

1118
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: striking game, what she's been doing could knock on doors.

1119
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: She could be a problem, you know, to sort of

1120
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: be a factor. I mean, you got to prove it

1121
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: in this division against some established people, and she's not

1122
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: quite there yet. But interesting to watch. I mean, look,

1123
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: maybe all that training with Roman Delitze was coming on

1124
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: as well, you know, iron sharpening iron Luke. Because you're

1125
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 1: talking about Roman maybe getting VITORI like they're they're believing

1126
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: in him too, they're believing in her with this placement.

1127
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: So we'll see.

1128
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, So.

1129
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't get someone.

1130
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 2: Called horny jail, I think.

1131
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, you know, did I really want

1132
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: to ask you if you would support a catchway fight

1133
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: between JP and Roman for the passport, Luke, would you

1134
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: I me here for the visa. Would you be into

1135
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: that kind of like reality TV matchmaking? No, I knew

1136
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:58,959
Speaker 1: that i'd watched.

1137
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: I'd watched that before I watched fucking slap fighting. By

1138
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: the way, See I didn't tell you. I'm starting my

1139
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: own league where people throw dog shit in each other's faces.

1140
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: It'd be great.

1141
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: That's great, Luke. We are supposed to let the fans

1142
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: know that in twenty twenty three, you and I will

1143
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: be competing every Friday Morning Combat making fight picks.

1144
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 2: I don't know if we're don't No, that's a suggestion.

1145
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 2: That's not like a guarantee.

1146
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: So does our producer Mikey want the fans to help

1147
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: us produce this segment?

1148
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the email. So for the email for

1149
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 2: the show is Morning Combat at Gmail. Like, what do

1150
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 2: you guys want to see if we did a regular

1151
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 2: picks segment? Because you know, I hate doing them, but

1152
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 2: I'll do them for the art, because that's what they're

1153
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: all they're good for, is art. Let us know, let

1154
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 2: us know. Do you want us to compete have a

1155
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 2: head to head or do you want us to compete

1156
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: against the fans? Do you want to, like, how do

1157
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 2: you want to structure these do the fans want to

1158
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 2: compete against each other? Potentially for surprises? Like there's a

1159
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 2: couple of ways we could sort of chop this up.

1160
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: What do you guys want to do? Let Mikey and

1161
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: the producers know Morning Combat at gmail dot com. We

1162
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 2: kind of want to make Picks a bigger segment in

1163
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, but we want to make sure we're

1164
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: doing it in a way that the fans would like

1165
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 2: the most. Maybe maybe something a little bit original BC.

1166
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, fans competing against fans, Luke, I live for

1167
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: this ship, you know that. But if you know, if

1168
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 1: they make me go against you in in an effort

1169
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: to avoid doing something embarrassing on a public level, I

1170
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: I might You know, I am a gun slinger in

1171
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 1: some some ways, Luke, that got a little Brett Farvan

1172
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: me not like the defrauding seniors out of money. But

1173
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: you know the other side of it, like I'll throw

1174
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: into into double coverage, Luke. You know that? Okay? You

1175
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: know that?

1176
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: All right, dude, Brett Farv will steal, will he? Not

1177
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: that dude will just steal much?

1178
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: Oh that guys, Yeah, that yeah, that guy's the worst member,

1179
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: he said.

1180
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 2: Steel he'll steal money and they'll sends you a picture

1181
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 2: of his like purple Hog. He's the worst.

1182
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember when he was on

1183
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: the jet set one year. That was a weird year.

1184
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: That first game he was awesome and then he you know,

1185
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 1: started showing his dick. But then he got like real

1186
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: good with the vikings, like all time good. Again, did

1187
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: did you think he Do you think he uh ingested

1188
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: the windstrawl into his prick before sending that pick?

1189
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 2: What do you think? Yeah? I wouldn't. I mean I

1190
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 2: don't know about that, But like, do I think you

1191
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: know a dirtback like that was doing everything he could yet?

1192
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 2: Du Yeah, of course I do.

1193
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right? Do you give him credit on the

1194
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: night his dad died on that Monday night football game

1195
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: against the Raiders when he threw like twelve touchdowns?

1196
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: That h I mean, that was incredible. That was incredible.

1197
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 2: I mean that was just a totally triumphant moment of

1198
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 2: the human spirit. You know, maybe AI wins, but still, dude.

1199
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 1: He was in the zone. Luke, Okay, that happens in sports.

1200
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: That happens on morning combat sometimes, Luke, you gotta get

1201
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 1: get out of the way and let the BD splash

1202
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: the screen. Right.

1203
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not what happens here ever, But if that's

1204
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: a thing that you imagine happening and it helps you

1205
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 2: do a better show than I like, boy, the the

1206
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: uh you know the flotsam and jetsam of your mind.

1207
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: Fridays are for the art, Luke, you already know that.

1208
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: Let's make picks and topic too as well. Showtime Championship Boxing.

1209
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm telling you this is a must sye main event

1210
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: in terms of the future of the lightweight division and

1211
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: very good matchmaking where two guys on the rise, unbeaten's

1212
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: Michelle Rivera versus Frank Martin Showtime Championship Boxing. Uh look

1213
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: where's this emanating from? I forgot off the top of

1214
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: my head. Uh oh, Vegas, the Cosmo in Vegas. Yes, yes, I.

1215
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 2: Think that's where one of the Showtime producers is this weekend.

1216
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: Absolutely so. Tripleheader Saturday Night was at nine pm Eastern

1217
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: probably like that on Showtime. Luc A reminder that You

1218
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 1: and I is at eight pm Eastern on.

1219
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 2: YouTube We go live on the YouTube's by the way,

1220
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 2: so the show is at ten pm on regular Showtime.

1221
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 2: You and I go live on YouTube, not here at

1222
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 2: Morning Combat, but at the Showtime Sports YouTube channel at

1223
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 2: eight eight pm in the East, you can catch me NBC.

1224
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: Love It, Love It. We'll be calling a couple of fights,

1225
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: having a good preview to set the stage for the evening.

1226
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: And Luke this tripleheader, I mean, I love this main event,

1227
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: so Luke. Both unbeaten, both ready like to make that

1228
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: leap to the title level. Book to be fair, both

1229
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: really have yet to face that big name that would

1230
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: propel them. So they're basically saying, let's face each other.

1231
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: Both in their twenties, entering the peak of their you know,

1232
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: the early peak of their physical prime, but still putting

1233
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: the complete game together. If you're trying to separate who

1234
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: these guys are, Michelle Rivera more of the pure boxer

1235
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: when he's allowed to jab from distance and set up

1236
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 1: that right hand. Sometimes he can be a bit too formulaic,

1237
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 1: but if he can control the terms of the fight,

1238
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: he is slick. He's got great technique, he's got confidence

1239
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: in that. The biggest question on Michelle Rivera has been

1240
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: Kenny Paint. Can he get abstract? Can he get outside

1241
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: of that and make the big adjustments, Luke, how much

1242
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: of you seeing a Frank Martin because he comes from

1243
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: the Errol Spence camp there in Dallas, and he's almost

1244
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: like a mini compact version of some of the stuff

1245
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: that Errol Spence does well. It almost looks a little

1246
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 1: bit like Spence light the way the South Paul Martin

1247
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: can get inside and break you down with punches, contrasting styles.

1248
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: Both guys want it, Luke, this is gonna be the balls,

1249
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 1: the full bag. This is Bago Sex Saturday Night. It's

1250
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: Michelle Rivera versus Frank Martin.

1251
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Martin's coming off that win over Jackson Mariinez,

1252
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: which should be which was an interesting result back from July.

1253
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 2: I believe obviously I've not seen the entirety of either

1254
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 2: of their careers, but I've seen a little bit of both.

1255
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 2: To me, BC, you kind of bury the leader a

1256
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: little bit or indicated what this really is gonna come

1257
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: down to. Now, obviously it's gonna be Southpawl versus Orthodox,

1258
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 2: so I think Martin's lefty stance could make things a

1259
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 2: little bit interesting. But to me, to me, I think

1260
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: what the tape shows is that you want Rivera to

1261
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 2: do other things other than kind of the steady, sort

1262
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 2: of well rounded stuff he has done, which has been

1263
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 2: really good. Hello, both guys undefeated and in their twenties.

1264
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: But to me, it's gonna be the jab. The jab

1265
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 2: of Rivera is really either going to tell us what's

1266
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 2: gonna happen here one way or the other. Either a

1267
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 2: guy like Martin is gonna be able to neutralize it,

1268
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 2: get around it, set angles, bulldozed through it, go to

1269
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 2: the body, back them up. Or conversely, what we've seen

1270
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 2: most of the time, nearly just about every time from

1271
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: Rivera is that jab is really, really, really good. He

1272
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: sets it up. He's consistent about seven jabs per round

1273
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 2: in addition to all the other things he's doing. According

1274
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 2: to CompuBox, I feel like that the fight is going

1275
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 2: to be won or lost on those terms, because if

1276
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: that jab is landing, Martin's in trouble. Conversely, if he

1277
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 2: can't get that going now be see that's the other

1278
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 2: let me ask you to pitch it back to you.

1279
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 2: Do you think Rivera has something in him that he

1280
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: hasn't shown us yet such that, let's say, actually Martin

1281
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 2: does a really good job of shutting down the jab.

1282
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 2: Does he have another gear to go to because I

1283
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 2: haven't seen that yet, but maybe this is That's why

1284
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 2: questions out.

1285
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: That's the question. So even though Michelle Rivera has never lost,

1286
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: even though in step up opportunities, look when he took

1287
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: on unbeaten Joseph Adorno, who isn't without some questions whether

1288
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: he's ever going to live up to his own potential.

1289
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: But is a hard hitting tough out. I mean, look,

1290
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: you know rever're controlled on his terms and just suck

1291
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: the air out of the balloon. That's what he does.

1292
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: But even in some of these step up wins, the

1293
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: only criticism has been can you do more when you're

1294
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: dominating the same guy for you know, five, six, seven rounds,

1295
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: just jab, great footwork, good technique one two, a little

1296
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: bit of pop on that right hand, but you're not

1297
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: doing anything extra to create the opening to finish, or

1298
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, can he make the adjustments when somebody else

1299
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: is leading the dance is a big question. It's not

1300
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: only a question of you know, is he hiding it?

1301
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: Is it there at all? That's the big question because

1302
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: sometimes Luke people can play one or two notes, but

1303
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: they can play him great or or you know it

1304
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: tastes great, but it's it's vanilla. It's plain vanilla. The

1305
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: big question on Rivera is can he raise his game

1306
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,479
Speaker 1: when the moment demands it, when it's not on his terms,

1307
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: when he's losing. The reason why this is such a

1308
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: perfect contrast is not just because it's South Paul versus Righty,

1309
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: but Rivera hundred percent needs from what we've seen so far,

1310
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: to control those terms to win. Martin is gonna walk in,

1311
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: try to, you know, try his best the entire fight

1312
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: to dart in and out use angles, which he does

1313
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: so well. It's like Rivera's the orthodox stereotype coming at you.

1314
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: You know what you're coming, you know what you're getting,

1315
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: but man I do it well. Martin's the guy who

1316
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: thinks outside the box. He comes in darting in and out,

1317
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: but defensively he leaves some holes on the way in.

1318
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: So it really does, like Luke said, come down to

1319
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: that jab. If Michelle Rivera can can control it right there,

1320
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: the fight's not going to be super exciting, but you

1321
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: know he's of the ilk where it's in play that

1322
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: he can win this fight that way. It's certainly and

1323
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: when you look at the odds, right now it's plus

1324
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: one eighty five. By the way, Michelle Rivera as a

1325
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: small underdog, but in play that he can win that way.

1326
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: The question is, Luke, how good is Frank Martin Because

1327
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: he has such an interesting story where, you know, he

1328
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: was a teenager caught up in in the wrong side

1329
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: of the law and had a situation where jail time

1330
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: was almost look impossible. Then he had the charges dropped

1331
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: on a big situation when he was eighteen. He finds

1332
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: a boxing gym that same year, and he goes on

1333
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: to become like a decorated amateur and like I mean,

1334
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: he'd beat Virgil Ortiz Junior in the final of the

1335
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: National Golden Gloves. This guy's legit in that regard, but

1336
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: came to it at eighteen, which is so rare to

1337
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: get to this level. He has shown us flashes of

1338
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: like next level brilliance. You know, when he walked down

1339
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: and took apart Jackson Marina As it was impressive. But Luke,

1340
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: you can't deny though he's also still a work in progress.

1341
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: And because he's shorter and because he needs to get

1342
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: inside to have success, he's gonna be in punching range

1343
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: all night for Rivera, So it's like defensively, he's also

1344
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: going to have to make a leap here. How do

1345
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: you sort of stack up how potentially offensive, offensively dangerous

1346
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: Frank Martin can be.

1347
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 2: See that's the issue for me. If they can show

1348
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: the highlights again from the Marinas fight, you get a

1349
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 2: sense of food. Now that was by the time the

1350
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 2: ninth round was around. It's a little bit one sided,

1351
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 2: so you know he was all he was moving downhill

1352
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: at that point. But the highlights are important here because

1353
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 2: you get a real I mean, just look at this guy.

1354
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 2: Not a huge mover, obviously, does a little bit of

1355
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 2: the Philly shell, a little bit of the leaning outside there.

1356
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 2: And what he does is he loves to back people

1357
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 2: up and then bull doze into him. You mentioned the

1358
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 2: Spence comparison. He doesn't quite have the angular slickness and

1359
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 2: you know, the punch selection brilliance of a guy like Spence,

1360
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 2: but the kind of steady drum beat of like, well,

1361
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 2: you know, the jackhammer. That's what he does. He jackhammers

1362
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 2: these guys consistently over time and breaks them down. He

1363
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 2: is definitely a forward pressure not brawler. There is a

1364
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 2: little he's not. He's not is sak Kruz who's just

1365
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 2: doing this and then coming over the top. That's not

1366
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: what he's doing. But there's this unrelenting pressure where guys

1367
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 2: feel like they're getting a little bit rained on, a

1368
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 2: little bit where they just can't find a place to

1369
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 2: get dried. He does this over the course of time,

1370
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 2: and you saw the defensive there. You see, That's why

1371
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 2: this jab to beat, this jab question anyway is going

1372
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: to be important. He doesn't move his feet. He does

1373
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 2: use his feet a little bit for defense. That's what

1374
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 2: I've seen on the tape. But if you notice here,

1375
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 2: like he'll bounce out a little bit, but a lot

1376
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 2: of it is leaning. He doesn't roll under hooks and

1377
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 2: then reset angles. He kind of stays where he is

1378
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: a little bit slightly slides outside, which is good, right

1379
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 2: because you don't want to get so far out that

1380
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 2: you have to come back in. I'm just pointing out

1381
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 2: a guy who is fast, who is slick, can give

1382
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 2: guys like Martin problems because then Martin has to chase

1383
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,439
Speaker 2: a little bit rather than guys acceding to the pressure. Dude,

1384
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 2: this is an interesting one. This is a very very

1385
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 2: interesting clash of styles. Again, I want to be clear

1386
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 2: to the audience. Two guys twenty four to twenty seven,

1387
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 2: both undefeated South Paul versus Orthodox. This is a fun one.

1388
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: This is a really fun if you're wondering what's at stake.

1389
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: The winner becomes the mandatory for that secondary title that

1390
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: Gervonte Davis own's at lightweight. I don't usually like to

1391
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: promote and go nuts about secondary titles. I'm not in

1392
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: this case. Devin Haney is the real lightweight champion. He's

1393
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: got all four official belts. But dude, this shows you

1394
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: what the what level the winner will now be on,

1395
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: you know, looking at a potential opportunity against Ravonte Davis.

1396
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: But Luke, I think Frank Martin, it's weird. It's like,

1397
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: can Rivera take that style all the way to the top? Yes,

1398
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: but he has to control the terms perfectly, and I

1399
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: question if his chin is next level. I question if

1400
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: his punching power is truly next level. Frank Martin is

1401
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 1: showing you. We don't know yet at Frank Martin's next level,

1402
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: but I think we've seen flashes and his willingness to

1403
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: make a fight happen. It may be his downfall in

1404
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: the long run, because there are some defensive holes. Like

1405
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: you mentioned, the Marinas fight was competitive until it wasn't, Dude, Jackson,

1406
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: Marinas was timing in with those counter right hands like

1407
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: all day. It's just that Marina is not a big puncher.

1408
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: Martin was able to take it. Martin's TV friendly because

1409
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: he stands in the pocket and tries to make you

1410
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: fight there. But if you stay open to the counter

1411
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: right hands from a Rivera who's much more sharp, you

1412
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: know that's where there's potential problems here. But you know,

1413
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: Frank Martin's got Derek James as a trainer, and that

1414
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: really matters right now. James is you know, it's either

1415
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: him or Eddie Renossos who are the best boxing trainers

1416
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,439
Speaker 1: of the moment pound for pound level. I mean James

1417
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: as Jamel Charlow undisputed champion Erol Spence trying to become

1418
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: undisputed champion, two of the best pound for pound in

1419
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: the game. I don't know yet if Frank is of

1420
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: that elk. He welcomes more danger than those other two

1421
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: guys do. Although you know Spence welcomes danger too, But

1422
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: Spence is more slick, has more plays in the playbook.

1423
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: Martin may get there, but you gotta pass this test

1424
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: to get there. That's why you love the matchmaking. That's

1425
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: why they love why both guys are willing to say,

1426
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 1: let's find out right now against each other. You know,

1427
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: you know you don't see enough of that, Luke, You

1428
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's it's good that both are

1429
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: under the same network and promotional flag. It wasn't impossible

1430
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: to make. But kudos to both guys. Now, let's see

1431
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: two hungry guys go out there and leave no doubt

1432
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: who wins and why? Luke Thomas who So?

1433
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 2: As you indicated, the odds have Rivera as the underdog

1434
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 2: plus twenty five minus two forty five. Hmm, I have

1435
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 2: been higher on Rivera to this point. But styles make fights.

1436
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 2: I might go Martin. I might go Martin here. I

1437
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 2: think that we're gonna learn. Man, this is a tough one.

1438
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 2: I'll go Martin because I just think in the end,

1439
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 2: he's got more firepower and I think that will make

1440
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 2: the difference. But it's he's gonna have to earn it.

1441
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 2: He's gonna have to earn.

1442
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: You and I both indicated that Rivera's ability to control

1443
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: distance and consistently keep Martin away with that jab or

1444
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, because Martin's a southball, whether it's the right

1445
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: counter either way, if he can control that distance, that's

1446
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: gotta happen for him to win. I think Frank Martin's

1447
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: gonna have to give up rounds and give up situational

1448
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: you know, moments to try to continue to get inside.

1449
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: But once he does, and he makes this a fight,

1450
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: the even bigger question is whether Michelle Rivera can win

1451
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 1: that style of fight, can dig deep and find another gear,

1452
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: can come back over the top and win her and

1453
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: finish another guy. I think Frank Martin has the perfect

1454
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: marriage of great intention and confidence and just enough compromised defense.

1455
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: Based on that style that he does that he's gonna

1456
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: welcome a car wreck. He's gonna make it into one.

1457
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: And I think he's gonna stop Michelle Rivera and get

1458
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: the upper hand and make a big statement about the

1459
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: direction that he's going in the long run, Luke, I

1460
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: need Frank Martin to add some to to I think

1461
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: there's room for him to grow, and I think he'll

1462
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: get there. But this is a tough night out and

1463
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: I think he's got to make it a fight to

1464
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:19,919
Speaker 1: win it. Luke, I think he does This is gonna

1465
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: be fun to watch. Don't miss it. Don't miss that Saturday.

1466
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 2: The back half to the slash, last third of this

1467
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 2: fight is gonna be the most important part.

1468
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, jose Uz Kotiki in that komine Evan agains Vladimir

1469
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: chiskin a showbox of lumps. I don't miss that. This

1470
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: triple header Saturday night, ten pm Eastern. But a reminder

1471
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: that eight pm Eastern before the main card goes live

1472
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: on Showtime, check out the YouTube channel of Showtime Sports.

1473
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: Luke Thomas Brian Campbell of Morning Combat will be calling

1474
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: the Showtime Championship Boxing Countdown show. Luke, we got omar

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Speaker 1: Waaz versus Austin Doulay and a ten round super lightweightout,

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Speaker 1: and Elijah Garcia and Cruz Stewart in an eight round

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Speaker 1: middleweight bout Garcia twelve and oh so a lot of

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Speaker 1: full looking to campaign to, you know, make that leap

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Speaker 1: themselves to the show box, the championship level. You and

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Speaker 1: I will be there, Luke, early on along the way,

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Speaker 1: all right, we'll be the soundtrack in their lives.

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Speaker 2: Fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't miss that, ish all right, Luke. Topic number

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Speaker 1: three brings us to some fight announcements. I want to

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Speaker 1: get your reaction. You know, eh, great, I got a phoner.

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Speaker 1: I mean there are levels to reactions here, Luke Thomas,

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Speaker 1: are you ready ready as I'm gonna be all right?

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Speaker 1: UFC Vegas sixty eight has a rebooked headliner, Derek Lewis

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Speaker 1: versus Sergey Spivak.

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Speaker 2: This was the fight that was supposed to happen before

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Speaker 2: fell apart at the last minute. I think all the

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Speaker 2: same concerns or hopes, whatever you want to say either

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Speaker 2: way that we had for that one or in play,

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Speaker 2: nothing changes and they get back to it pretty quickly.

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Speaker 2: So looking forward to seeing it because it tells us

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Speaker 2: a lot about the direction. Either guy is headed. That's

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Speaker 2: a ya for me. Yeah, that's a ya. All right.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to find the date. I couldn't find it, Luke.

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Speaker 1: If I gave up, I'm on that fight. But it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be Fight Nights sixty eight. Let's go to March fourth.

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Speaker 1: UFC two eighty five Cody Garbrm versus Julio R. Say, now,

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Speaker 1: is this another stop in the bantamweight division here? Or

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Speaker 1: is this I mean another in the in the flyweight division,

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Speaker 1: Luk or is this bandam weight all the way.

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Speaker 2: For garb Brand, I have to double check. I believe

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Speaker 2: this is bantamweight. I'm not sure. I thought Julio Arsa

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Speaker 2: was a bansom weight. I can double check that right now.

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Speaker 2: Julio Rsay is as it stands. Let's see he competes

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Speaker 2: in the well, he yeah, bansom weight because he's also

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Speaker 2: fought at featherweight, so it'd have to be a bansom

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Speaker 2: weight here. So it's back to bansamway. But the reason

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Speaker 2: why the matchmak is interesting because Julio Rsa is very

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Speaker 2: well rounded, very well schooled, and comes from the Tiger

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Speaker 2: Shulman camp and so like you watch him fight, he's

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Speaker 2: pretty complete. But if there's been a criticism of him,

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Speaker 2: it's that he can't he's not necessary, He's he's dangerous

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Speaker 2: in the sense that he can control rounds, he can

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Speaker 2: control long stretches. He's, you know, as I mentioned, very

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Speaker 2: well rounded. But there's a question of like how dangerous

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Speaker 2: he is, and I think for a guy Cody who

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Speaker 2: there's a question about how much damage he can tolerate,

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Speaker 2: how good his chin is. Basically, this is the kind

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Speaker 2: of fight where it's like ar Say is talented, and

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Speaker 2: certainly capable of winning this, and dude even potentially putting

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Speaker 2: Cody's lights out. But he's not like a devastating knockout threat,

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Speaker 2: I think, is the point I'm trying to make. So

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Speaker 2: it's an interesting sinking here.

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Speaker 1: On that same night UFC two eighty five, March fourth,

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Speaker 1: Viviana Rugo versus Amanda he Boss. That's that ain't bad, Luke,

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Speaker 1: that ain't bad at all?

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Speaker 2: Uh oh right, yeah, you don't you drop down to

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Speaker 2: the bob in the listener. Yeah, love that fight, Love

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Speaker 2: that fight a lot. What was the other? Oh, we're

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Speaker 2: supposed to get Tracy Cortes and Amanda Heboss and that

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Speaker 2: was the one that fell through. But Vivian he robbed us. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: robbed us that. I don't think that's quite as good

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Speaker 2: as as the Cortez fight with Hebos is better, but

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Speaker 2: this is still.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is gonna be a good one. Belatour on

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Speaker 1: that February fourth, CBS card Belatore two ninety of course

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Speaker 1: that's uh fader Beder too, Luke or betor, depending on

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Speaker 1: your pronunciation. But we got two more bouts added, Chris

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Speaker 1: Gonzales versus Max Rashkoff Joranelle Lugo versus Jalen Bates. Are

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Speaker 1: you moving by any of those?

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, for sure. The Chris Gonzalez and Max Roschkov

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Speaker 2: fight for folks who going to remember Roshkoff was the

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Speaker 2: guy who kind of quit on his stool in between

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Speaker 2: rounds and then his coach tried to like get him

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Speaker 2: back into it. But then at the end his coach

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Speaker 2: was Robert drysdown and then Robert drives out the end

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Speaker 2: actually kind of exceeded and told the referee he didn't

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Speaker 2: want to compete. But you know that that whole controversy

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Speaker 2: that played out, like that whole thing that was there.

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Speaker 2: He had a bit of a falling out obviously with

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Speaker 2: I think all the places he was training and whatnot,

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Speaker 2: and has gone to Bellatur and is on a bit

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Speaker 2: of a redemption tour. Gonzalez is the guy that got

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Speaker 2: run over by Uspin Nimergamdov. But as a team Alfamel guy, good,

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Speaker 2: very good wrestler, good fighter. That's a tough fight. That's

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Speaker 2: a really good fight. Actually, I like that one a lot.

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Speaker 2: Jordao Lugo was the one who got run over by

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Speaker 2: Danny Sabateelo in a fight where Sabatelo actually did have

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Speaker 2: a lot of ground and pound. Don't know much about

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Speaker 2: Jalen Bates, but I know Luca's a pretty talented fighter.

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Speaker 2: Just couldn't quit quite get it going in Sabotello.

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Speaker 1: Look, speaking of getting run over, on the Today Show

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Speaker 1: this morning, they ran a poll of the most hated

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Speaker 1: holiday songs in the world, and number one was Grandma

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Speaker 1: Got run over by a Reindeer. I mean most hated.

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Speaker 2: Really, that's one of my favorite.

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Speaker 1: Mean, that's a that's a classic. Luke, you know, where

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Speaker 1: are stupid?

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Speaker 2: So? You know how one of the dumbest debates on

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Speaker 2: the internet is there's a hot dog a sandwich? It's like,

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Speaker 2: I know you've never read a book. I know that,

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Speaker 2: I know that part. Where are you on the stupid

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Speaker 2: debate about whether Diehard is a Christmas movie?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's stupid, but yeah it's a Christmas movie. Look,

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Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be on the front lines of fighting that war to

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Speaker 1: defend it as one, but yeah I would. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't you know, I don't think.

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Speaker 2: About how about this? You can watch whatever fucking movie

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Speaker 2: you want. On Christmas. How about that guy take you? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's right. You want to watch hardcore pornography like the

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Speaker 2: neighbors do at Malca. Not Malca, but the neighbors of

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Speaker 2: Malca across the street when we're recording on the roof

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Speaker 2: the pregame preview, which hasn't been on the roof for

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Speaker 2: like seven months. But you know what I'm talking about anyway, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: if you want to watch pornography like that on Christmas,

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Speaker 2: you're allowed to do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, Luke, I mean is that it's not a

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Speaker 1: family oriented operation there, But I mean there's much worse

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Speaker 1: Christmas songs in history, like less Christmas.

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Speaker 2: I gave you my Maha the very next day you

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Speaker 2: watch poor No.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, that s that's it. I haven't heard

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Speaker 1: that that remix edition. Wow, Luke. I'm not moved by

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Speaker 1: any of the other fights listed here. I don't want tomb.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the other ones I care. Oh no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: you're wrong about one of them. You're wrong about one

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Speaker 2: of them. Javid Basharot versus Matteus Mendosa a UFC Vegas

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Speaker 2: sixty seven, January fourteenth. Javid Basharot is a very good fighter.

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Speaker 2: Butteos Mendoza is an Uh. They put Mendonka here. I

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Speaker 2: think it's Mendoza, but it was one of the guys

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Speaker 2: I think it came off the Contender Series who looked very,

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Speaker 2: very good. Javid Basharat was the dude who also came

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Speaker 2: up the Contender Series whose opponent I believe this is correct,

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Speaker 2: or maybe it was one of the regular shows he

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Speaker 2: was on, but his opponent was the one who called

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Speaker 2: him like a dirty Muslim and he was like an

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Speaker 2: Israeli yeah, and then and then Basharat came out and

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Speaker 2: gave him the fucking business. So Basharat is a guy

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Speaker 2: who trains out of extreme couture. I think he's Jake

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Speaker 2: Shields is like his number one coach. He's very talented,

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Speaker 2: super high on him. Tough fight, man, tough fight against Mendoza.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ba was like cashing me outside how bauda right, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, let him know what time it was. So

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Speaker 2: that was a good one as well, Luke.

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Speaker 1: Topic four here, I actually watched this thing. UFC Fight

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Speaker 1: passed Invitational three Uh grappling in our face, in our

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Speaker 1: freaking face from the Apex in Las Vegas and the

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Speaker 1: main event a rematch of sorts between former teammates. But

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Speaker 1: Nicki Rodriguez coming in last minute to take on the hero,

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Speaker 1: the Master, what's his nickname, The King gorg the King

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Speaker 1: Ryan Ryan. So, Luke, this is I'm very you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't like this shit, but I tuned in and

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Speaker 1: tried to give a good faith effort, and you know

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Speaker 1: I was I would so decently entertained. I saw the

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Speaker 1: Misha Tate fight as well. Shout out to Michael Kiessa

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Speaker 1: on commentary, always a big fan of that. But Luke,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about Gordon Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 1: He wins in overtime via fastest escape. They had a

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Speaker 1: twenty minute match instead of a normal ten minute one,

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Speaker 1: and then they went to the third overtime. I don't

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Speaker 1: understand what that overtime is all about and how it

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Speaker 1: actually worked. I was constantly confused because you know, Nicky

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01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 1: got out of the submission in X amount of seconds,

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01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: then Gordon got out of that same submission faster. Don't

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01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 1: doesn't he win there? Or do you have to kick

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Speaker 1: a field goal first and then get the extra point? Like?

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Speaker 1: I don't understand this Kansas tiebreaker, Luke, What.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what happens? I think there's a predetermined number of

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Speaker 2: rounds of overtime. I don't think it's just it's not

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Speaker 2: like college you know football, in the way where it's like, hey,

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Speaker 2: they scored first, kick it back and if they don't

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01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 2: get it's over. I can't even remember how the rules

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Speaker 2: go in college football anymore. But you have to do

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Speaker 2: the full number of rounds, I think, unless that there's

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01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 2: like no way you can catch them after the fact.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a question about who likes those overtime rules,

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01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 2: like they're largely borrowed from EBI, where you know, essentially,

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Speaker 2: like you know how people don't like when soccer games

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Speaker 2: end and then you have to go to penalty kicks

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01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 2: and then you're like, this is a very satis this

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Speaker 2: is not a very satisfying way to end up soccer matches, Like, well,

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Speaker 2: they also just ran around for fucking four hours, like

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Speaker 2: this is the best you're gonna get. So I don't

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Speaker 2: love the overtime rules. I don't hate them. I just

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Speaker 2: think it's the best that they can do. The thing

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Speaker 2: that folks don't understand is there's a company called us Grappling,

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Speaker 2: and if you've never heard of them, they have a

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Speaker 2: very interesting tournament which is all of their matches are

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Speaker 2: no time limits. So when you show up and you

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Speaker 2: get into a bracket, dude, the matches go for a while.

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Speaker 2: And if you go to the black belt division, dude,

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Speaker 2: the matches routinely go longer than an hour. I've seen

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Speaker 2: them up to two sometimes three hour matches, Like it's

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Speaker 2: fucking crazy. So I bring this up to say, you

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Speaker 2: have to have some kind of overtime apparatus if you're

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Speaker 2: doing this as a tell product, because you know twenty

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Speaker 2: minutes is never gonna be enough, but twenty minutes is

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Speaker 2: long enough to learn something. Nicki Rodriguez to We had

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Speaker 2: a much more like traditional game this time. He was

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01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 2: using his bodylock pass, which, for folks that don't know,

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Speaker 2: he's like famous for bodylock passing. He couldn't quite get it,

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Speaker 2: but he was able to use it. He did get

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Speaker 2: a toe hold briefly on Gordon that popped his ankle

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01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 2: after the fact. But Gordon Ryan's just too good, He's

1681
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 2: too clever, He's too he just understands leverages and positions. BC.

1682
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 2: Did you see the video of Gordon Ryan rolling with

1683
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 2: martinz Atlesus and the Mountain from Game of Thrones? This

1684
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 2: is actually yesterday.

1685
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:41,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got that in the hopper for Monday's hysts.

1686
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll save it. So in the end, this is

1687
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,520
Speaker 2: the interesting part. Be see Gordon Ryan accused Nikki Rodriguez

1688
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 2: of greasing. I don't know if you heard.

1689
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: It, Okay, because so I have a lot of questions

1690
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: about this match, in the grappling stuff in general, Lukes,

1691
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand in a good faith effort, Okay,

1692
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:02,839
Speaker 1: what how how dramatic was it when everybody was screaming

1693
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: in the second overtime when Nikki put Gordon and choke.

1694
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 1: Gordon pointed at the clock, waited for the buzzer, and

1695
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,640
Speaker 1: then tapped out. I get you know, he knew the

1696
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 1: buzzer was over. Was that like a major moment? I mean, how, like,

1697
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: what's the history of Rodriguez proving that he's on Gordon's level?

1698
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 2: So I'll be honest, I never really watched EBI because

1699
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 2: the early iterations of EBI to me, like dude, Nogi,

1700
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 2: grappling has changed a lot, just in the last five

1701
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 2: years and even longer than that. It's been like a

1702
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 2: dramatic alteration. But I did not watch early iterations of EBI.

1703
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 2: Because in its earliest stages, the A level guys in

1704
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,639
Speaker 2: nogi jiu jitsu did not do that tournament right at

1705
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 2: the time, Whoever was the very best in nogi, they

1706
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 2: would go into ADCC, but they weren't doing EBI. But

1707
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 2: it turns out that the guys who started and making

1708
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 2: a name for themselves through EBI, the dan Her Death

1709
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 2: Squad at the time, like your Eddie Cummings and obviously

1710
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 2: and and Gordon Ryan, and there's a lot of guys

1711
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:02,600
Speaker 2: that dan Her Desk Squad that was originally part of

1712
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 2: the group, they begin to run the table on it

1713
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 2: and really popularized it, and it has led to a

1714
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,879
Speaker 2: change and how the sport is conducted and how it's promoted.

1715
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 2: And it was just this massive alteration on both the

1716
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 2: marketing side as well as how people actually did nogi

1717
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 2: jiu jitsu. It changed a lot. But I'd never really

1718
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 2: watched EBI for that reason, because if my initial impressions

1719
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 2: were like, these are not A level guys turned out

1720
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 2: to be wrong over time. It was true at first,

1721
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 2: but it wasn't true over time. So I'm not really familiar.

1722
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 2: I don't quite understand if he had gotten the choke

1723
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 2: I don't think that would have been the decisive factor

1724
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 2: in winning, but it would have slowed the amount of

1725
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 2: ride time he had. I'm not candidly, I'm not entirely sure,

1726
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 2: although even just getting Gordon to tap at all would

1727
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 2: be a fucking minor miracle. But in that case, he

1728
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 2: did get to two minutes of riding time. But you know,

1729
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 2: there you go.

1730
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 1: So are you saying that that tap was him? Just like, hey, dude,

1731
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 1: the period's over.

1732
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 2: Yes. He looked at the clock and was like he

1733
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 2: was waiting on the referee to intervene, but he saw

1734
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 2: that it had hit two, so he was like, well,

1735
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 2: this is over, Like, just get up. He wasn't actually

1736
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 2: like I can't take this anymore. I'm surrendering. He was like,

1737
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 2: we're done here, you know, all right?

1738
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: So this guy, Gordon Ryan is the best in the world, Luke.

1739
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 1: He's had a couple of draws, but just all wins.

1740
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 1: You have to go back to twenty eighteen for the

1741
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: last loss. It was against Vinnie Magalation. He lost on points.

1742
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 1: Ryan called out Vinnie afterwards. Is that going to be

1743
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 1: a destination rematcher?

1744
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 2: Do? As?

1745
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 1: People don't care? I don't understand it, Luke, Okay.

1746
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 2: So here's the deal. Vinnie was supposed to be the

1747
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 2: original opponent last night, and I guess, according to Gordon,

1748
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 2: what had happened was Gordon came in around two twenty three,

1749
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,799
Speaker 2: I think at the Waynes, and they had told Gordon

1750
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 2: that Vinnie was around like two seventy, maybe even two eighty.

1751
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 2: Remember Vinnie fought two five in MMA, and I guess

1752
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 2: they were still some kind of weight limit they wanted

1753
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 2: to enforce. Gordon apparently said, I believe him. Gordon's like

1754
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 2: I've gone against guys or higher, like a bunch, like

1755
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 2: he can be as big as he wants. I don't care.

1756
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 2: But apparently either Vinnie wanted to cut the weight or

1757
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 2: UFC did, or whoever. I'm not entirely sure about that part,

1758
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 2: but he tried to cut the weight and it fucked

1759
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 2: him up and he had to go to the hospital

1760
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 2: because he his kidney's got all jacked up, which, of

1761
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:14,719
Speaker 2: course I hope he's okay and he can be fine again.

1762
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 2: I'll say this, I watched that match in twenty eighteen

1763
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 2: that Vinnie had won, and he had a very specific

1764
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:28,679
Speaker 2: game plan against the game that I would argue is

1765
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 2: not even close to what Gordon does now. Gordon in

1766
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 2: four years since then is like way better than he

1767
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 2: once was. So I still want to see the rematch

1768
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 2: because what Gordon's trying to do is like there's guys

1769
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 2: like I think Lucas Barbosa, he's beaten on points but

1770
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 2: never subbed. He just wants to go back and sub

1771
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 2: But like he's beaten basically any peer at this point

1772
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 2: who's at the top of the game. He doesn't have

1773
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 2: that win over Vinnie from four years ago. But you know,

1774
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 2: my belief is that vin he is very good and

1775
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 2: deserves your respect. But Gordon is untouchable right now, Luke.

1776
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 1: He has succeeded in getting on, you know, my radar

1777
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: and kind of you know, softly crossing over to a

1778
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 1: certain level with the you know, the tattoos, the hair,

1779
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 1: the look, the pro wrestling, trash talk, the persona. I

1780
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 1: know there's been rumors. I remember he got signed by

1781
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 1: One Championship and then that didn't happen. Right after it happened,

1782
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 1: h will he ever fight?

1783
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1784
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 1: Will he ever fight in MMA? Because that's the next

1785
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 1: logical step to get people to really really care, right

1786
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: or is he just too good in this one? Area.

1787
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 2: Why the thing is, how do you make money in

1788
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 2: jiu jitsu? Like you know, you can get sponsors, you

1789
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 2: can open up a school, you can get some money

1790
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 2: from prize tournaments and blah blah blah blah blah, but

1791
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,679
Speaker 2: it's very hard. Gordon has been one of the few

1792
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 2: guys who has made a very good living. If you

1793
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 2: guys have never heard of it. There's this company and

1794
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,799
Speaker 2: I talk about him all the time. I am a customer.

1795
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:53,719
Speaker 2: I'm not paid to say this. They're not they don't

1796
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 2: ask me to do this. But is a company called

1797
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 2: BJJ Fanatics, And what they basically do is they get

1798
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 2: these guys to go and do what you might ordinarily

1799
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 2: see in one of their seminars, and they essentially put

1800
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 2: it in a very detailed breakdown. It's all organized in

1801
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 2: terms of the information and presented to you almost like

1802
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 2: an instruction that you would get again in a seminar,

1803
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 2: even over the course of like many months, depending on

1804
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 2: how long some of these breakdowns are. Danaher and Gordon

1805
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 2: put down like lengthy takes. I think I've finished or

1806
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:28,440
Speaker 2: I'm almost finished with Danaher's first of like three standing

1807
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 2: to ground instructionals form BJJ fanatics, and it's just the

1808
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 2: first one is ten hours, just the first one. We

1809
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 2: haven't even gotten to the other two yet. And these

1810
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:42,879
Speaker 2: guys make a mother fucking killing on this a killing.

1811
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 2: Plus Gordon Ryan is sponsored by Joe Rogan. At least

1812
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 2: he was for ADCC. He's got some other ones. So

1813
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 2: Gordon Ryan is a millionaire without ever having to throw

1814
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 2: a punch. If you can do that without the head trauma,

1815
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 2: wouldn't you want to? I think he might competitively because

1816
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 2: he wants to do that. But like he's the guy

1817
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 2: that's done what people can't do in jiu jitsu in

1818
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 2: terms of making money, he might just ride it out.

1819
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he's he might be smart enough to

1820
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,600
Speaker 1: realize that that he'll always win if he doesn't. I

1821
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:13,759
Speaker 1: just wondered if he had that, like brock lesnar crazy

1822
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 1: side of him, where it's like, probably not the best idea,

1823
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 1: but fuck it, I'm a cowboy.

1824
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 2: Let's let's know, not quite like that. No, he's not

1825
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 2: quite Like he's a little more strategic than that.

1826
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 1: All right. I know he's tapped Dylan Danis in the past.

1827
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: Are you moved at all by Dylan Danis? No showing

1828
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 1: the the oone boxing press conference with Kosky Luke.

1829
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 2: If if Dylan Danis had it like the only way

1830
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 2: I remembered that he was boxing KSI, which is just

1831
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 2: the saddest shit on earth. I mean really, I only

1832
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 2: remembered it because he he no showed the presser. Dude,

1833
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 2: you know, if him and Gordon went at it again,

1834
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 2: like Gordon would fucking torture him like a little child

1835
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 2: pulling the wings off of an insect or something. I mean,

1836
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 2: it's They're not even remotely in the same fucking ballpark anymore.

1837
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 2: D Dylan a weirdo man, like I run the game, dude,

1838
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 2: you don't even No, you don't. You don't run anything.

1839
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 1: Uh, man, you don't even know You actually don't at all.

1840
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 1: You don't, you don't.

1841
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 2: It's really weird. So I don't have any interest in, yeah,

1842
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 2: much of what anything Dylan Danis.

1843
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a stocked in two oh nine move right,

1844
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 1: just no show in the presser.

1845
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess it worked in the sense that A

1846
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 2: we're talking about it, and B I was like, oh, yeah,

1847
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 2: he is boxing KSI. But now I'm like, oh right,

1848
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck again.

1849
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:32,599
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, there you go. I don't think KSI

1850
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 1: or Dylan Danis Luke will end up getting on our

1851
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 1: radar to potentially drop the kind of hashtag that makes

1852
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 1: people's emotions moved. I'm talking about hashtag Holy Hammer, hashtag

1853
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: Hammer of the Month, Luke. We're getting closer to the

1854
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 1: end of this month, and you know what that means,

1855
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 1: almost time to select the Money Lion Hammer of the Month.

1856
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 1: For those of you who may have missed it. A

1857
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 1: few weeks back, we decided that we wanted to start

1858
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 1: spotlighting the undercard fighters or fighters who are just under

1859
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 1: the radar just a bit, who were coming on who

1860
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 1: are taking out that hammer and making big moments happen.

1861
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 1: It was Aaron Blanchfield last month. We have no shortage

1862
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:15,759
Speaker 1: so far of potential nominees this month, so our friends

1863
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:17,320
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1864
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:19,360
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1865
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1866
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 1: nominate which fighter you think this weekend is coming the

1867
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,960
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1868
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:31,559
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1869
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:35,479
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1870
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 1: how to enter to help select the one who's going

1871
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 1: to get that incredible piece of art.

1872
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 2: Luke.

1873
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 1: That's called a hammer, right, it's a hammer.

1874
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 2: It's a freaking big old hammer.

1875
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, there you go, very very good. Look,

1876
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 1: we close Friday by opening up our emails to the

1877
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 1: public and saying, hey, morningcombat at gmail dot com. You

1878
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 1: know you're already sticking us with your fan subs there

1879
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 1: Every Wednesday, is there a different tune. That's when it

1880
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: we turned the mirror back on us, you know what

1881
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: I mean. That's when you guys ask us to change

1882
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: our ways. Right, We're going to straddle the fence here

1883
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,799
Speaker 1: of being right or wrong, and we'll put it on trial.

1884
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 1: We'll stand the test of time. We're brave enough to

1885
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 1: possibly be told with the receipts and a few insults

1886
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 1: added in that were dead wrong.

1887
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there definitely will be insults. That's what we should

1888
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 2: call this segment instead of dead wrong. Just there will

1889
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Speaker 2: be insults.

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Speaker 1: This is from Wes who says I'm a p one

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Speaker 1: aka eight Bit Imaginations. I don't know if he's just

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Speaker 1: trying to plug himself there, Luke, but he got plugged,

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Speaker 1: he says at one hour In fifty three minutes of

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Speaker 1: Wednesday's MK during fan subs, Luke referred to the lime

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Speaker 1: salt as tejin Taijin, which is correct taheen, but he

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Speaker 1: also referred to sweet spicy sour liquid that you rim

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Speaker 1: chavella and or Mikelada glasses with which also ti jin.

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Speaker 1: This is not taijin. That is the savory, fermented plum

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Speaker 1: candy goodness we call shamoy or pronounced shamoy for professor

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Speaker 1: salt and pepper. You old basis saying.

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Speaker 2: They don't put tahen on the rim, because that is

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Speaker 2: matter of factly he's.

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Speaker 1: Saying, chamoy goes on the rim, Luke, you uncultured swine.

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Speaker 1: These condiments are met for a person of elaborate taste

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Speaker 1: who can enjoy the complexities of such varied flavors. But

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Speaker 1: mister Thomas, you're out here sounding like a dumpster diving

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Speaker 1: man who puts a one sauce on a well done

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Speaker 1: steak in public. Love the show.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I didn't call that. Okay, So Mikey is

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Speaker 2: saying that I called the gummy part tahen. That's not

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. What I'm saying is and I would

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Speaker 2: love to see the tape on this that they put

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Speaker 2: ta heen on the rim.

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Speaker 1: See.

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Speaker 2: Do you know how many fucking bars in Cartahana I've

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Speaker 2: been to where I have literally watched them put taheen

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Speaker 2: on the rim. That's not up for debate. They matter

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Speaker 2: of factly do that. Not not every place, but some places do.

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Speaker 1: The first thing I do when I when I make

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Speaker 1: him toss my salad is put to heen on the rim.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they they they put to heen on it.

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Speaker 2: Like I don't know about the gummy part. I'm pretty

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Speaker 2: sure I didn't talk about that.

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Speaker 1: But nothing kills a good party like a pedantic pirate

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Speaker 1: like that guy.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying, like he said, my whole argument was,

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Speaker 2: do they put tokeen on the rim? Motherfucker? I have

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Speaker 2: seen it with my own eyes. Yes they do.

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Speaker 1: Oh hey, hey, hey, Wes, did uh what's his name?

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Speaker 1: Get you down the other day? These and the huts? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Right right, I mean come on, Wes, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know's definite. Yeah, let's go to Mike. He says, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Luken BC, it's Liverpool's own Mike Owens media right here. Ship, Uh,

1934
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Speaker 1: what's our guy? Luke has repeatedly referenced that Alexander Hernandez's

1935
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Speaker 1: first two UFC fights were knockouts of Darry Yush and

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Speaker 1: Oh a, m This is dead wrong, as Hernandez beat

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Speaker 1: Oam via decision with two judges giving a round to

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Speaker 1: Oam had to flag for respect to the Canadian gangster.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the shout outs. It means a lot, Mike.

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Speaker 1: Shout out, Mike.

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Speaker 2: He beat Hernandez and knocked out Daru in his first

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Speaker 2: two fights. That's a fair one. I'll take that. I'll

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Speaker 2: take that.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Mike said, he's going to be at

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Speaker 1: our live show, Luke, February eighth, Wednesday Night, King's Place, London,

1946
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Speaker 1: so that's awesome. He knows he didn't insult you either.

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Speaker 1: He could have. He could have went after a few

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Speaker 1: different guys.

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Speaker 2: He could have. He could have he could have hammered me.

1950
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Speaker 2: But you know he's a nice guy, so he didn't

1951
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Speaker 2: do that. Shot up Mike.

1952
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Speaker 1: Kevin says, my second dead wrong is for Luke. Regarding

1953
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Speaker 1: Sergei Pavlovitch's performance bonuses at forty seven minutes ten seconds

1954
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Speaker 1: of episode three eighty two, Luke said him, by the way,

1955
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Speaker 1: he got the performance bonus as well his first one,

1956
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Speaker 1: I believe in the UFC. I think that's right, or

1957
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Speaker 1: certainly some gibberish was said here first in some anyway

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Speaker 1: end quote. But no, it's actually his third in the UFC,

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Speaker 1: in his second this year. His first was Marcelo Golm

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Speaker 1: in April of twenty nineteen. The second was the Abdurakimov

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Speaker 1: fight of March of this year. So, Luke, take that

1962
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Speaker 1: you were wrong.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll dare, all right, I'll take the l on

1964
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Speaker 2: the uh inventorying of Sergey Pavlovich's bump bum.

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Speaker 1: You know, Luke, there is a growing vocal minority who

1966
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 1: think we've been, we're past this, that this is slowing

1967
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 1: down the Friday Show, that no one cares on this

1968
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 1: pedantic bullshit. I don't know if the if the if

1969
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 1: the donks have come correct this week they're supporting that narrative. Right,

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Speaker 1: all right, I've got one here from I think, Uh, look,

1971
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Speaker 1: your Mike is dead. Did you hear Long Island, Luke? Yeah?

1972
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Speaker 1: Put this shit on me?

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Speaker 2: All right? Hi?

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01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,680
Speaker 1: BC? Here? So this next one I believe is from

1975
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Speaker 1: Kevin or Dave, one of those two. Something was wrong

1976
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 1: with BC's memory on this one. I know the pandemic

1977
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:50,679
Speaker 1: feels like one long week. But BC said at twenty

1978
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Speaker 1: minutes thirty seconds of episode three eighty two, quote, I

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Speaker 1: know the interview clips that make the rounds when he

1980
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Speaker 1: was on Aerial Show, what was it twenty nineteen was

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Speaker 1: the most recent time that he talked at length? You know,

1982
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Speaker 1: it was a couple of years ago. End quotes. So

1983
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Speaker 1: they're referencing when James Krause was on Ariel Hawani's May

1984
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Speaker 1: Hour and then when the James, when the James Krause

1985
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 1: news happened. I had mentioned that that took place in

1986
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:19,839
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. He's saying, no, BC, that was August fourth,

1987
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Speaker 1: four months ago. All right, I'll take the l You're

1988
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 1: right it was four months ago. So yeah, that interview,

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Speaker 1: by the way, in light of everything we know, is

1990
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Speaker 1: the reason why I mentioned it got some juicy details

1991
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 1: in there about how deep in Kraus is as a

1992
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 1: successful better It doesn't necessarily suggest, I mean suggests, but

1993
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Speaker 1: it doesn't confirm any additional biases or foul play regarding

1994
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Speaker 1: the Derek Minner situation. But you know, that's why they

1995
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Speaker 1: have investigations. I guess at the end of the day

1996
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Speaker 1: right now, Long Island, Luke is investigating why you people

1997
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 1: can't hear or see Luke Thomas. So, Luke, do you

1998
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 1: want me to wait or you want me to go

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01:32:56,400 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 1: right into the last one here? Yeah? If no one

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Speaker 1: can hear you, you're right a Long Island, Luke. Where

2001
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 1: are we at on this?

2002
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 2: All right?

2003
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 1: Nobody can hear Luke? So you know I'll kill time

2004
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:13,080
Speaker 1: right here, just you know, cheap plug for the the

2005
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Speaker 1: BC Live chat the last two tuesdays and who knows

2006
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 1: when it's coming back? YouTube dot com Slash Morning Combat

2007
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:22,160
Speaker 1: to hear the inside of what my brain sounds like.

2008
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 1: It's a it's a wild place. Ninety minutes of fun

2009
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:29,360
Speaker 1: and games for your viewing pleasure. We've got one more

2010
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Speaker 1: dead wrong, it says, dead wrong debate from OsO OsO,

2011
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Speaker 1: not like OSP but like OsO. Here's what OsO has

2012
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Speaker 1: to say. Hello, MK, family, much love. I am a

2013
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Speaker 1: day one Luke Thomas and Brian Campbell fan. I wanted

2014
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 1: to present a dead wrong debate and I want to

2015
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:54,760
Speaker 1: defend the pfl's MPH or miles per hour stat. Here

2016
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:59,800
Speaker 1: we go. This is this is this man's debate that

2017
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:03,720
Speaker 1: I'll tell your debate all right? It may not be

2018
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 1: for you, this donk says. But I have noticed on

2019
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 1: over ten different occasions when I'm in social settings with

2020
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 1: casual fight fans that they like the Miles Prower stat.

2021
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:15,679
Speaker 1: When a KO or a massive strike status on the screen,

2022
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 1: they respond to it and say stuff like dang, that

2023
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:21,679
Speaker 1: was fast. A casual fight fan wants to be engaged

2024
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 1: in the conversation and banter while a fight is happening,

2025
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 1: and they don't fully comprehend what they are seeing. True,

2026
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 1: that's true since they don't train or watch fights often enough,

2027
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 1: so the MPH stat becomes a way they can make

2028
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:37,879
Speaker 1: a comment or become involved with the conversation. Furthermore, MPH

2029
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 1: also plays a role in the entertainment element the speed

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Speaker 1: of the strike. The MPH connects with surrealism and movie

2031
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 1: fight scenes, elements that a fight must have since casuals

2032
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:50,719
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of reference points to effective fighting

2033
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 1: or combat, the only reference they are are movies. That

2034
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:57,840
Speaker 1: what kind of bullshit take is this? To continue? This

2035
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 1: guy says in that the MPH that captures the imagination

2036
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 1: of the movie when the mud when it's on the screen,

2037
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:08,440
Speaker 1: I get that this is a matter of taste. This

2038
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 1: this is making me stare more sterile than I already am. Luke,

2039
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:14,800
Speaker 1: this is the fourth needle having to read this. Wow.

2040
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 1: Uh he's just yeah, hopefully people can hear you right now, Luke.

2041
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:27,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, great, Yeah. I mean, look, I understand

2042
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 1: having trying to have gateway things to casual fans. It helps.

2043
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 1: That's why NHL coverage. Remember these have that glowing thing

2044
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 1: around the puck. I thought that was cool. I didn't,

2045
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:39,720
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't. I didn't care about that, you know, Luke.

2046
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 1: Sometimes they have like cheerleaders, so that like people that

2047
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:45,759
Speaker 1: are only watching for like the TNA and not the football. Okay,

2048
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 1: I guess I get that too, Luke. But I mean,

2049
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:50,720
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think it's a movie. I don't

2050
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 1: think people go, oh wow, is this Rocky four? No,

2051
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 1: it's the fucking smart Age Brother all right, it's the

2052
01:35:56,120 --> 01:36:01,240
Speaker 1: PFL Welterweight Championships. And here's Sadabu c and some other guy.

2053
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 2: No.

2054
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:04,519
Speaker 1: I mean look that. I mean that Cage is so smart.

2055
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:06,639
Speaker 1: I wish this guy was smart enough not to send

2056
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 1: in a losing battle. Right, they can't hear you? All right,

2057
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 1: Well that's the show for you. Morning Combat at gmail

2058
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:18,599
Speaker 1: dot com hopefully we get some clarity in the future

2059
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:20,479
Speaker 1: on what that guy was really trying to say. But

2060
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:22,720
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, do I need stats? Like it's

2061
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:25,519
Speaker 1: like it's just interesting, Like even the people don't like

2062
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 1: the PBC on Fox, how they always had in boxing

2063
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:31,920
Speaker 1: the punch stats of both because you know, so it's like, oh,

2064
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 1: who's winning. Oh that guy has four more punches, he's winning. Well, no,

2065
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 1: it's you know what I mean, it's scored on And

2066
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 1: I know even UFC shows stats when it's relevant. But

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01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 1: does PFL show too much? Too many stats? Which is

2068
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 1: why this this question was a birth. Yeah, I think

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01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 1: they do. I think they do. But if you know,

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01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,519
Speaker 1: if that helped a few casuals, then cool. Hopefully those

2071
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 1: casuals also love them some. Uh, Magamed Magamed Caramov. You

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01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. There you go, all right?

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Speaker 2: If they say they hear me, are you back, Thomas, Yeah,

2074
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:01,680
Speaker 2: they can hear me. Yeah. Hey, that argument about the

2075
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:05,599
Speaker 2: MPH is uh really commuted. I don't know. Yeah, I'm here.

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01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:06,760
Speaker 2: Can you hear me? Yeah?

2077
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Speaker 1: I can't hear you. This is just great. I mean, you know, look,

2078
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 1: you would think for a show that wins this many awards,

2079
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 1: that that I wouldn't have this battle of a WiFi.

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01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 1: But that's not the show's fault.

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01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 2: That's you know, that's hold on, hold on, BC, I

2082
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 2: got you covered. Hang on just a second, I got covered,

2083
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 2: hold on, hold on, hold on?

2084
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 1: Can hear you, Luke?

2085
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:22,000
Speaker 2: I just say yes, you can hear me? Now? Can

2086
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 2: you hear me? Now? You should be able to hear me?

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01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:23,639
Speaker 2: Just fine?

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01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got you now, I got you.

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01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 2: Okay. You see, I was gonna say about the MPH thing. Dude,

2090
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:33,679
Speaker 2: Casual fans may watch it and be like, oh, that's interesting.

2091
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 2: It doesn't tell you anything about the fight other than

2092
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,559
Speaker 2: some shit is faster than others, Like what does it

2093
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:44,120
Speaker 2: mean that it's twenty versus seventeen? What are the overall

2094
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 2: statistics about what mile per hour leads to in terms

2095
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 2: of knockouts or knockdowns? Like, we don't have any context

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Speaker 2: about the significance of it other than it's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: it looks really interesting, but it doesn't. It doesn't meaningfully

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Speaker 2: tell you anything about the fight. And more to the point,

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Speaker 2: like if all these stats and like the smart cage

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Speaker 2: were interesting, I'm not trying to be dick, they'd have

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Speaker 2: more fans like you can't tell me like the casual

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Speaker 2: fans like it, and then also that the casual fans

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01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:13,800
Speaker 2: don't watch PFL because I got news for you they don't.

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01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 2: So which is it? Like it does? It's a useless

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01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:20,960
Speaker 2: tool that seems interesting. It's got the it's got the

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Speaker 2: form of interesting, but none of the substance.

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Speaker 1: You know, what would be awesome if we restructured our

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Speaker 1: Jersey City studio and put and I know it's like

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01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:31,639
Speaker 1: so stupid, old, let's have it. Let's have an MMA

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Speaker 1: podcast inside a cage. Like no, I mean, that's the

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Speaker 1: lamest thing you can do, is put up like a

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Speaker 1: cage behind you. But what if the smart cage has

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01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 1: other relatives in his smart family that that do this

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Speaker 1: type of thing, and we got our own smart cage

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Speaker 1: that could like talk back to us like like Kit

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Speaker 1: did on Night Rider Luke, and you know, like in

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Speaker 1: the moment we could get dead wrong by the smart cage.

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Speaker 1: You know, we could order Uber Eats while doing the show,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We can we can check

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Speaker 1: if you know, Happy is a sex predator legally, you

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Speaker 1: know we can we can look it up. We got

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Speaker 1: the Google you.

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Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, the smart cage yeah. Oh.

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Speaker 1: Look, do you know what I did the last dude?

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Speaker 1: You know what I did again last night?

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01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:16,120
Speaker 2: Masturbated in olive garden.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. You know it is in

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Speaker 1: the family though. Is that their catchphrase? It's in the family.

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Speaker 1: What's their catch faces? Well, keep it in the family, then, okay, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah.

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01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 2: What did you play Fortnite until you wept?

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Speaker 1: I did play a lot of Fortnite yesterday, I bet

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Speaker 1: you did. Yeah, yeah, I rewatched Dune again the you

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Speaker 1: know the yeah Dune dude. Do you know why I

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Speaker 1: did it? Because the Dune Instagram account put a picture

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Speaker 1: of paul A Trade's you know, like the main character,

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01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:54,160
Speaker 1: uh in the desert and said filming wrapped or whatever,

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01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:55,840
Speaker 1: said something to the degree of because you know, Luke,

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01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:58,000
Speaker 1: the sequel's coming out in twenty twenty three, right, you

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01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:02,639
Speaker 1: know this, right? And Luke, they filmed, they wrapped filming,

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01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:05,080
Speaker 1: and I got all fired up. Webscream knows what I'm

2142
01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 1: talking about. You know what I'm thinking about doing. Look,

2143
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:09,400
Speaker 1: you know I don't read. I'm not a reader, especially

2144
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:12,040
Speaker 1: not fiction. Dude. I can't handle that shit. Luke. I'm

2145
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 1: gonna go to the library or go to the bookstore

2146
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:16,640
Speaker 1: and get the damn book and read it. You know,

2147
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:19,920
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixty five novel that George Lucas stole everything

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01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:25,559
Speaker 1: from by Frank Herbert. But Luke, I rewatched Jacques Villanueva's version. Dude,

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01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:29,760
Speaker 1: that is it's one of my three favorite movies ever

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01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:35,560
Speaker 1: in the theater was a cinematical you know, cinematic masterpiece

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01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:38,439
Speaker 1: from the experience. I know it's too long, but I

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01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:41,800
Speaker 1: think in this weird, like the only thing I do

2153
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:43,599
Speaker 1: weird side, Okay, I do a lot of things weird.

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01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:45,479
Speaker 1: The only thing weird sci fi that I do, the

2155
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:48,759
Speaker 1: only sci fi thing I accept is that love affair

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01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 1: I have with Star Wars. Look, this is better than

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01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 1: Star Wars. In fact, this is Star Wars because this

2158
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:56,080
Speaker 1: is you know, the all the ideas that George Lucas,

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01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 1: you know, silently adapt. I mean, look, I know I get,

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Speaker 1: I get in the sci fi movie that everybody has

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Speaker 1: stolen from the Dune book because it was, you know,

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01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 1: the greatest piece of sci fi fiction in that area.

2163
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:08,559
Speaker 1: But look, you can't tell me after watching because it's good.

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01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:11,640
Speaker 2: Remember Rogue one fiction science fiction fiction.

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Speaker 1: Sci fi fiction. Luke, do you know that Remember Rogue

2166
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:18,879
Speaker 1: One felt like Star Wars but something way cooler. Dude,

2167
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:23,960
Speaker 1: This Dune remake is is immaculate in this in this space,

2168
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Speaker 1: and it's the only weird space I accept. I love

2169
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 1: this ship.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Look, you're not gonna hear me hate on it,

2171
01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:33,080
Speaker 2: but I've never wow man, you love love love that

2172
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:34,599
Speaker 2: also once.

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Speaker 1: I've got I'm rock hard with emotion right now, Luke, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Again, are you going to watch Blackhawk Down? I cannot

2175
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:43,559
Speaker 2: believe you, dude. You just don't know what you're sleeping on?

2176
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 2: You really?

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01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:47,400
Speaker 1: Okay. I was always taught by my dad that mattresses

2178
01:41:47,439 --> 01:41:49,720
Speaker 1: and cars you can you can barter a little bit.

2179
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Speaker 2: Luke.

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01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:52,160
Speaker 1: It's like buying, you know, at a flea market in

2181
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 1: a foreign country. You know what I mean? You can,

2182
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:55,720
Speaker 1: you can, you can talk them down. Not that I

2183
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:57,680
Speaker 1: encourage that, Luke. I want people to get, you know,

2184
01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 1: rightful pay for their goods produced. Okay, but Luke Thomas,

2185
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 1: will you rewatch Dune with fresh eyes and a lot

2186
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:08,960
Speaker 1: of Delta eight's will you rewatch Dune? I mean, can

2187
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:11,000
Speaker 1: we make it an MK homework assignment or something? I

2188
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 1: want you to make love to this film, Luke, When

2189
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:14,920
Speaker 1: like not like actually, but like you know, like in

2190
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 1: like the embracing in the in art. I mean you

2191
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Luke's Luke spread the cheeks of

2192
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Speaker 1: this film. Please find out about it, Okay, experience. I

2193
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:28,760
Speaker 1: mean I didn't. I didn't imply that, okay, all right,

2194
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:31,160
Speaker 1: To be fair, I did not imply that.

2195
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Speaker 2: You know what, we can end this show at any point.

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01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:35,080
Speaker 2: But I would happily watch it again. I really enjoyed it.

2197
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Speaker 2: I would watch it again. I just don't know if

2198
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 2: I can ever get to the level of like religiosity

2199
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 2: that you confer upon it.

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01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:43,679
Speaker 1: I didn't say you had to join the cult, Luke, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I didn't say that, all right, I joined the Bena Jesuit.

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Speaker 1: I mean, are the Bena Jesuit just a bunch of

2203
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:50,920
Speaker 1: witches that don't feel like Jedi at least Lucas, you know,

2204
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:52,960
Speaker 1: clean that up a little bit so that like kids

2205
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 1: could welcome it, right, Yeah.

2206
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:55,880
Speaker 2: I mean he made it palatable so he could make

2207
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:56,519
Speaker 2: some money off of it.

2208
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Speaker 1: But Benna Jesuits, like, yo, we're Satan right here. Okay, dude,

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Speaker 1: this remake is easy.

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Speaker 2: We can end the show at any point. We did

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01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:06,920
Speaker 2: two shows very long this week. We can call this

2212
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:07,920
Speaker 2: oney early if you want.

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Speaker 1: Dude, the sequel is going to be so good. You know,

2214
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Speaker 1: it's the second half of the first book. Luke, I

2215
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:12,840
Speaker 1: can't wait for this shit?

2216
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Speaker 2: All right?

2217
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:15,479
Speaker 1: Oh really, now we got to it now? Now pretty well,

2218
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 1: let's end it, all right for Luke Thomas and the

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Speaker 1: You know what to do, Luke Thomas. Anything else you

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Speaker 1: want to say to the people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. February eighth, February eighth. February eighth, come see us London,

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Speaker 2: England Live Show, special guests and more, King's Place. You

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Speaker 2: can put the QR code on the screen now. If

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Speaker 2: you're in Ireland, fly over, come see us. If you're

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Speaker 2: anywhere near in that europe market wherever, come say hi

2239
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Speaker 2: to us. We don't know when we're gonna come back.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna make this one as special as we can.

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Speaker 2: February eighth, Get your tickets, come see us. We can't wait. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any early odds on what you will

2243
01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:31,880
Speaker 1: put in your body before that show, Luke?

2244
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:34,360
Speaker 2: Or during that anxiety?

2245
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:38,880
Speaker 1: Will you chase that with a margarita for old times sake?

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01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 2: I probably will? I probably?

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Speaker 1: All right? There you go like us, follow us. Shout

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Speaker 1: out to Mikey Mormal, Luke, no sita on the ones

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Speaker 1: and twoes today. I'm sure Gaff is around somewhere somewhere,

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Speaker 1: all right. I'm a big maniche guy too. Love my

2251
01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:56,320
Speaker 1: team over there, Take care of yourself, enjoy the fights

2252
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:59,400
Speaker 1: this weekend. And that's about it. I got two more

2253
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 1: words for you from b C. L. T in the

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Speaker 1: m K well out