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Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal here for

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Speaker 1: Dan hansis in the host chair, surrounded by a couple

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Speaker 1: of heroes, Mark Sessler and Chris Wesselane rolls off the tongue.

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Speaker 1: That new name, doesn't it. Oh yeah, if you didn't

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Speaker 1: notice Matt money Smith in the intro, maybe you heard

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Speaker 1: me say we are now the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: What do you guys think about that? Also the Around

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Speaker 1: the NFL blog, that's true. Well, we're not really a blog.

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Speaker 1: I always kind of shutter a little whenever Dan says

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Speaker 1: not really a blog, you know what I mean. It's

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Speaker 1: It's it's different. I like being part of a gigantic

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Speaker 1: one day and bang, Yeah, it's a different color. It's

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Speaker 1: a nice name, though, I can I'm one and improve

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Speaker 1: I don't care. At first, I was like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: because you know, a little pull behind the curtain here.

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Speaker 1: We're also launching a show on NFL Network called the

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Speaker 1: Around the NFL Show or something I don't know, Around

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Speaker 1: the NFL it used to be around the league. What

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm thinking the NFL. I'm saying we as

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Speaker 1: I wish I was. Well, the television version continues to

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Speaker 1: ignore our existence. Michael Sarah Hybrid. Uh, so they're they're

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Speaker 1: native That's why I was here exactly. Well, that's how

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Speaker 1: we got you as a producer. We're happy to have you.

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Speaker 1: When I made my New Year's resolutions in January, you know,

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Speaker 1: that when I got here, was already here. If given

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Speaker 1: from day one, I like around the NFL better. There's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a big show today. We've got our NFC preview.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go through each and every NFC division, give

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Speaker 1: of the week, Logan Mankins traded to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

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Speaker 1: game over the first six weeks of the same stunk

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Speaker 1: at the beginning, and there's six of the six games

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Speaker 1: still count half of those Eli Manning picks. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 1: they had to deal with a lot of interceptions, a

429
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Speaker 1: lot of bad luck. They were pretty good down the stretch.

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Speaker 1: I would have no issue with New York going like

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Speaker 1: eight and eight. That's what you know. That's who they

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Speaker 1: are this year. I think they're they're a nice more

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Speaker 1: interesting question that was you just put our host right

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Speaker 1: under the bully. Now, please ask some questions how Eli

435
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Speaker 1: Manning he's gonna enter a contract year in two thousand

436
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Speaker 1: and fifteen. If he has another year this year like

437
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Speaker 1: he did last year, gown, so he's gone. I think

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Speaker 1: so the old loyal you said this year like last year.

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Speaker 1: So that's leading the league and interceptions by a lot

440
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Speaker 1: by and if they stuck with him again after that,

441
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Speaker 1: that's their fault. That's like following someone on Twitter that

442
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: annoys you. He's an icon. He's got to be a

443
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Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer because he won two Super

444
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Speaker 1: Bowl v P tro If he's that were stolen from

445
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Speaker 1: Justin Tuck and Michael Strahan. You've been you just always

446
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: hold that up. This is weird. There's a lot of

447
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Speaker 1: anger from this group around this division. Yeah, but you

448
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: know what, they've got a coming. We're gonna ask John

449
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Speaker 1: Beeson a little bit about it later. But I mean

450
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: there's anger even within their own team. Ben McAdoo, the

451
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Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator, he's watching this lousy offense in in

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Speaker 1: New York and he's and p o at practice. I

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Speaker 1: don't blame him. Hey, you've got a number one Pickett

454
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Speaker 1: wide receiver that simply refuses to get on the field.

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Speaker 1: You've got a quarterback that is, as they say, a

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Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer. According to some who seems perplexed,

457
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Speaker 1: and they know on preseason games they've looked completely stillborn.

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Speaker 1: What about week? How about we get it together? The

459
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: season is like ten days away. Uh. The team we

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Speaker 1: disagreed on the most, actually me versus the two of

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Speaker 1: you or the Dallas Cowboys. I had him very close

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Speaker 1: to the middle of my power poll. I actually had

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Speaker 1: them second in the division. I had the Giants third

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Speaker 1: and the Redskins fourth, and you both, I believe had

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys as one of the worst teams in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I think I had them about definitely the lowest team

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Speaker 1: with an actual quarterback, right, which is why I picked

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Speaker 1: them in the middle of the pack. Any team with

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Speaker 1: a quarterback, you know and and Dez Bryant, Tyronne Smith,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you win seven games in this division.

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Speaker 1: I'd like their chances against teams like Washington and New York.

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Speaker 1: I just don't buy the argument that the defense can't

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Speaker 1: be any worse because they finished thirty second. Defenses get worse.

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Speaker 1: They defenses break new records every year because that's the

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Speaker 1: era we're in, and they could definitely be worse. They

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Speaker 1: have less talent than they did last year. If offenses

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Speaker 1: are going to continue to break records, the ineptitude of

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Speaker 1: defenses will have to do the same. That's just how

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Speaker 1: it works. But I had them atty, which might be

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Speaker 1: unfair because you are right, Greg, If Romo Brian and

481
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Speaker 1: DeMarco Murray are healthy, they well it's it's an if,

482
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Speaker 1: but it's but Murray and Romo don't have the best

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Speaker 1: track records the last couple of years. For staying out

484
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Speaker 1: of the trailer. They don't know they don't, but I

485
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: mean they're they don't. I think you have to be

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Speaker 1: completely inept on offense and be in a division that's

487
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Speaker 1: housing you, and they're in a bad division where they're

488
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Speaker 1: gonna sneak some wins. So I might have been wrong

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Speaker 1: on thirtieth, but I I wouldn't have. I have no

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Speaker 1: issue saying that there will be a bottom seven or

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Speaker 1: eight team. All right, we've gone through the NFC East.

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Speaker 1: We gotta go right now into the around the league,

493
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Speaker 1: around the NFL. It's gonna take us a while to

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Speaker 1: get used this elimination chamber. Ah, that's what that's what

495
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Speaker 1: we do when you get eliminated. And for new listeners,

496
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Speaker 1: we are trying to pick a team that we can

497
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Speaker 1: support as a podcast all together. Last year it was

498
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Speaker 1: the Panthers that was our team of two thousand thirteen.

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Speaker 1: We're slowly going through the teams and trying to pick

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Speaker 1: who's going to be our team of two thousand fourteen.

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Speaker 1: We hope to have a team before Week one, but

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Speaker 1: it has to be unanimous, and I have a feeling

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Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen before a week one, but let's

504
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Speaker 1: at least throw some teams out, alright, NFC East, the

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Speaker 1: whole division. They're gone. They're just gone, the whole division.

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Speaker 1: Is there any case sounds ass make you angry? The

507
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: Giants make me angry. The Cowboys make Mark angry. And

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Speaker 1: I don't want the Eagles of the team of eight.

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Speaker 1: I would not vote against the Eagles. I'd vote for

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Speaker 1: the But I don't know how if this needs, if

511
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: all three of us needs to need to clear them through.

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00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: The Eagles are out. Well, there is a factor here.

513
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Speaker 1: There is a man that's not in the room right now.

514
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: And I can just hear Dan hands is laughing hysterically

515
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Speaker 1: at the idea that he would somehow allow a Chip

516
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Speaker 1: Kelly lead team to be the team of the Around

517
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Speaker 1: the NFL podcast. And let's save ourselves a couple of

518
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Speaker 1: weeks from now when we debate this and eliminate the

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Speaker 1: entire division. No love for the Redskins. They're out. They're out.

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Speaker 1: No their quarterbacks terrible. I feel, Plus they feel lighter. Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, you've gone. The Redskins employed Joe thisman,

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Speaker 1: So that's all I need to say. Moving on, before

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Speaker 1: a shadowy league figure walks in here, Let's talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about the NFC North then I'm first, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go through our power Poll rankings of the the

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Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers number one in the NFC North, number

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Speaker 1: two overall, and UH will be should prominently in my

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Speaker 1: predictions throughout, So we really like the Packers to win

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Speaker 1: the division. We have the Bears UH in second, the

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Speaker 1: Lions after that, and the Vikings fourth, but overall not

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Speaker 1: ranked two low twenty three overall, which is pretty good

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Speaker 1: for a last place team. Do you think there's any

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Speaker 1: chance any of these three teams actually make a run

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Speaker 1: and challenge the Packers? I have you know, we did

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Speaker 1: these predictions a bit ago, and I know Greg and

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Speaker 1: I both are warming up to the concept of the

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Speaker 1: Vikings being a sneaky team. All four of the this

538
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: is the opposite of the NFC East. All four of

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Speaker 1: these teams can make the playoffs, and it wouldn't surprise me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, any any combination of the four can make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, and I would be fine with that. Vikings

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Speaker 1: would be a fun playoff team. Good story. Ever since

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers did his William takomps a Sherman impression and

544
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Speaker 1: blazed through Georgia in two thousand and ten on the

545
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Speaker 1: way of the Super Bowl. He's won his games. That

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00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 1: means the Packers are going twelve and four even if

547
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Speaker 1: the defense is okay. I think the defense is much better.

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Speaker 1: I think the Packers are the class of this division

549
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Speaker 1: and no one else comes close. The best group of

550
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Speaker 1: weapons Aaron Rodgers have has ever had. I think maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe you could make an argument his second year. I

552
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Speaker 1: don't think it is. I keep hearing that, and here

553
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Speaker 1: here's why. Because weapons aren't just wide receivers. The wide

554
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Speaker 1: receivers are great, but you have three different running backs

555
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: which right now look pretty good. And I think the

556
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Speaker 1: offensive line, if you want to count that as a weapon,

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Speaker 1: I think it's It's not perfect, but it's probably in

558
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: better shape right now than it's been since Rogers took over.

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Speaker 1: If they still had jam Michael Finley, I would agree

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Speaker 1: with you, But I just I don't think they're the

561
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Speaker 1: receiving weapons are is good? Boy Can is unproven. I

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Speaker 1: have no reason to believe he's He looks good though

563
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Speaker 1: when he plays, I have no reason to believe he's

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Speaker 1: as good as James Jones. He hasn't really stood out

565
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Speaker 1: in the preseason yet. I don't think Davante Adams is

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Speaker 1: ready to cont that's a problem. So I don't think

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Speaker 1: they're as good as they were in two. They got

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Speaker 1: the running game, that's a big fact. Eddie Lacey's a

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Speaker 1: monster factor. Well. I wrote a piece today on Packers

570
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Speaker 1: coaches saying they believe Lacey could lead the NFL and

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Speaker 1: rushing this year, and I don't think that's a stretch

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Speaker 1: at all. Well, that suggests also that they're willing to

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Speaker 1: take some of the heat off of Rogers having to

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Speaker 1: do everything. Rogers is one of the handful of quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: that if you have a receiver that might not flourish

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Speaker 1: in another team, they will in Green Bay system. And

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Speaker 1: you talked about the continuity that the Saints have over

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Speaker 1: the years with all the same players. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: have Rogers and McCarthy and enough offensive DNA that's been

580
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Speaker 1: around with them together that they can just do things

581
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Speaker 1: in a more advanced way than other teams. I love

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Speaker 1: them this year. I think they're winning the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: There my pick. I guess we blew it. We gotta

584
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Speaker 1: do our Super Bowl picks another show. But that's basically

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Speaker 1: I like a lot of these teams. I have the

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Speaker 1: Bears in the playoffs, uh, I'm I believe I'm the

587
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: only one that has the Bears in the playoffs. But

588
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: Chris Wesley and you have a surprising team out of

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Speaker 1: this division in the playoffs. I have the Lions as

590
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: the sixth team in the NFC playoffs. I feel like

591
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: there are five obvious picks really in the NFC, Your

592
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: NFC East winner and then Seahawks, Packers, Saints, and forty Niners.

593
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: So to me, it comes down to who's the best

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Speaker 1: team out of the field. And I feel like the

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Speaker 1: Lions have too much firepower for everyone else. I I

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00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: I struggle to trust them. Ay they play inside, which

597
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: is hard on the Minnesota's outside. You know, the other

598
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: night I was forced to watch the Lions play and

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Speaker 1: then they switched the TV over to the Seattle Seahawks

600
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Speaker 1: in Seattle, and it's like suddenly human life entered being waterboarded.

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Speaker 1: At the time, Detroit Stadium silent, like the middle of

602
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Speaker 1: the night in someone's house, other than maybe you can

603
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Speaker 1: hear some electricity and some piping. Go to Seattle and

604
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: it's an explosion. I cannot root for a team that

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Speaker 1: plays inside of a dome. And I'm not just kidding around.

606
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Speaker 1: I mean it and if they do, will veto that

607
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: till the end. Well, it's a problem, Mark that we

608
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: had to pay all this money to bring along another

609
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: around the NFL writer this year just because you refused

610
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: to cover games inside a dome and that left such

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00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: a big hole in our schedule. Well I didn't. I

612
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: didn't have a problem going to the super Bowl, which

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Speaker 1: was in the dome. Yeah. Well yeah, William, you get

614
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Speaker 1: sound like domes are quiet. Domes are often the noisiest places.

615
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: I mean the super Bowl. Well, not in Atlanta and

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Speaker 1: not in Detroit, not on television. This shows how much

617
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: down a wormhole here, but shows how much stock you

618
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Speaker 1: have around here that they did hire someone just to

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Speaker 1: replace your production and don't aware that was the dynamic.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Detroit's gonna make the playoffs for other reasons.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna find a way to crumble like they always do.

622
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Speaker 1: Sometimes it just comes down to human nature. Matthew Stafford

623
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Speaker 1: is not the guy they say, Oh, this guy is

624
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Speaker 1: completely reborn this and that we'll find out, Yeah, find out.

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Speaker 1: I'm not buying it. Stafford's at the point of his career.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of like getting to where Jake Cutler has

627
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Speaker 1: now been for a year or two. He's kind of

628
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: at the point you gotta show that you're different to

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Speaker 1: believe it anymore. That he's a very good starting quarterback,

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Speaker 1: maybe you know, slightly better than average, which is worth

631
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Speaker 1: a lot. You know, if you line up all thirty

632
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Speaker 1: two quarterbacks, Stafford is probably he's ranked above the median point.

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Speaker 1: But is he ever gonna take that next step? Have

634
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Speaker 1: you seen any reason to believe that the median point

635
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: is the A D skill? Right? Well? I kind of

636
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: was thinking the media is like sixteen, because that's probably

637
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Speaker 1: where Stafford is fourteen, fifteen, something like that. I don't

638
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: trust this defense. Can you name their defensive coordinator right now?

639
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: Tarrell Austin? Tarrell Austin never really been coordinator at the

640
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: pro level. I don't know. I'm not I'm not too

641
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: excited about just how Party's grandson is in the league.

642
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: The Bears defense any better, It's terrible. The difference is

643
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: that I really trust Mark Trustman, Cutler, Marshall. I do

644
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: trust cut How do you trust Cutler? I trust Cutler

645
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: under Trustman because Trustman made him a better quarterback last year.

646
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: He helped make Josh McCown better. He's turning Jimmy Clawson around.

647
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: He got played by his backup last year. Who yeah,

648
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: by a little. What I trust is Mike Simmer's ability

649
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: to get the most out of his defense. And I

650
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: like Norv Turner at the coordinator level. We've already seen

651
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: his effects on Matt Castle. They've got Cordarrel Patterson, They've

652
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: got Kyle Rudolph. There's a lot of things. Yeah, they're frisky.

653
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: You know. I like this team. They're playing outdoors in

654
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: Minnesota through the thick of winter. This is a team

655
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: I can get behind. I know, I like this team.

656
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: I picked the Bears to the playoffs. It's been a

657
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: week almost a Marika. You know, I would think about

658
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: the Vikings. I think they're gonna be frisky, but I'm

659
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: sticking with my Bears pick. We've gone through the division.

660
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: Now let's talk about which teams should at least survive

661
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: this round of a Limon Nation for the Team of

662
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast. Uh. I know the Packers are a

663
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: good a great team. Are they too good to consider?

664
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Speaker 1: I mean, we we are picking them pretty far. I'll

665
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: keep them well, okay, that's fine, but I mean we're

666
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: gonna pick these is the team of NFL. I think

667
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: they're a big part of the team of a tale

668
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: is who's fun to watch? Alright, the pack they're in

669
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: the top three for me, I'm fun to watch the

670
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: Packers can make it through. I guess they're never gonna

671
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: be the team. No, why bother, Let's kill him? You

672
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: want to kill him? I'm I want to save all right,

673
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: he wants to push him forward. We'll push him forward.

674
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: I want to save every team is division except for

675
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: the Bears. But I know you guys like the Bears.

676
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: I think we should save the Bears. I'd like I

677
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: would be willing to vetell the Bears. Let's get rid

678
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: of the Lions. Though there's no way we're choosing the

679
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: Lions as the team of of the NFL. I would

680
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: agree with you. All right, Okay, they're never gonna make it.

681
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: The deciding factor the Packers are either. Probably the deciding

682
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,479
Speaker 1: factor is people laugh about this. Marks absolutely right about

683
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: Dome teams. Sorry, all right, Lions, you're out. The Vikings

684
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: are interesting and uh. Twitter follower Tim Gomez told me today,

685
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: and the Vikings become the team of around the NFL,

686
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: he will help me eat my softball pants. I don't

687
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: know if that's allowed. Is that allowed? We don't want

688
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: to There could be legal reasons. Yeah, I'm not sure.

689
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: We suddenly started bridging the rules around that penalty that

690
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: you've drawling upon yourself. That's interesting that we can try, Chris, Okay, um,

691
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: just two weeks away, right, what is it? Two and

692
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: a half weeks now? We need to get the season

693
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: get here already, just get here. We need to get

694
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: someone to contact the Food Network to make sure all

695
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: this is done safely. Wait, now, it's a week from

696
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: tomorrow this season starts. Got Okay, that's great. I'm glad.

697
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: It doesn't even feel better this week's But this has

698
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: been a tough month. Let's get through August. Come to

699
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: the NFC South. Yeah, we all take the Saints to

700
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:07,959
Speaker 1: win the division. You guys have the Saints number one. Really,

701
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: this is the team you guys think is gonna win

702
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Chris, you you made a big wrote

703
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: a big poem to them the other week on the podcast.

704
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw it to Mark. Why why are you

705
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: just so convinced that the Saints are the team for

706
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: this year? Well, I feel like we talked about them recently,

707
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: and it's for me. I think they've you know, again,

708
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: it's a team where you've got Sean Payton, Drew Brees.

709
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: That team doesn't do anything but win twelve games unless

710
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: there's an injury to Breeze. It's the only way they

711
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: don't have a winning record. They're gonna win the division.

712
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: I don't see a big problem with that. In the

713
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: NFC South, they've gone out and they've added weapons. You

714
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: got Jared's Bird on defense at safety along with Kenny Vicaro.

715
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: I think people at the end of this year will

716
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: they'll be in the discussion is the best safety duel

717
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: along with Seattle and there's there's there's a good reason

718
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: for that. On offense, we love Brandon Cooks obviously, and

719
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: you know Wesley has been hot on the revival of

720
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: mark Ingram and they've got an interesting backfield. They found

721
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: a way to redo their wide receiver group and their

722
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: backfield and get faster and younger, and what's not to like.

723
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Speaker 1: I don't think just handing them that. You can't just

724
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: hand them the division on paper. You're right, they're good,

725
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: but you know, they didn't win the division last year.

726
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: They didn't win a division before. They didn't think they

727
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: were good last year. We correctly identified their weaknesses last year.

728
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: They have addressed them and they will win this division.

729
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: But they were pretty good last year. They ended up

730
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: being about a top eight team. That was about where

731
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: they deserved to be. And we realized all along they

732
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: were flawed when we predicted the Panthers to beat them

733
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: for the division title. They had too many weaknesses last year.

734
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 1: They have no weaknesses this year. On a down year

735
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: with Peyton and Breeze, you you you still win ten

736
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: eleven games. Yeah, they Their defense has never been this

737
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: good or it never been this promising. I know it

738
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: was good last year, but to add Bird in the

739
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: second year of Rob Bryan, now we actually no junior

740
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: lat and keep Hicks is looking better and Cameron Jordan's

741
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: I mean it should that Dome should be rocking. The

742
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: only thing I could think is maybe some cornerback depth

743
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: teams could throw on them a little bit. But that's

744
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: it's tough. We were talking about it coming back from

745
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: lunch today. We couldn't come up with what's a good

746
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: weakness for this team. Maybe offensive tackles. The tackles well,

747
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: they love their left tackle even though he's untested. They

748
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: that Breeze said, you know, in a couple of weeks ago,

749
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 1: he's been outstanding. So we all love the Saints. Second

750
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: place in this division? Who you got I've got? I

751
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: think I have the falcon. Yeah, but it's not like

752
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: they're way better than the Bucks of the Panthers. To me,

753
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of coin flip territory or paper rock.

754
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: Sers is on all three of those teams. I just

755
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: to me, I have total confidence in their offense. I

756
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: do believe their offensive line is much improved. Julio Jones

757
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: and Roddy White are awesome. They're both healthy, and I

758
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: don't think their defense is quite as as ad as

759
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: everyone thinks. What do you see as their biggest weakness?

760
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: I would say the defense, even though it's not as

761
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: bad as everyone thinks, it's still mediocre. They don't have

762
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: any pass rushing to speak, they don't have anyone exciting.

763
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: Who are you getting excited about on their defense? That's bad.

764
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: That's what I look for in defenses. Where where are

765
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: the players that are gonna win one on one matchups

766
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: consistently make big plays. I don't see it, and and

767
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: you you better hope those young quarterbacks Alfred and Trufan

768
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: are as good as you know some people think, because

769
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: if they're not, they could be a disaster on defense,

770
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: and they haven't looked that good in the preseason. For

771
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 1: what it's worth, I had Caroline is my number two team.

772
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: I think that we you know, we saw it was

773
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: happening back in February and March and it felt like

774
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: the roof was caving in and here comes the wind.

775
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: But they've done a fine job, I think with the

776
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: you know, Gettleman is so determined to get this team

777
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: out of their situation cap wise. But Kelvin Benjamin, they

778
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: had to hit on this guy in the early returns

779
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: suggests that they have and that was had that not worked,

780
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: had they gone and got Odell Beckham and he's gone

781
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: for a month, sitting around that team is a disaster house.

782
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: But I I think that they've got a deep backfield

783
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: and if Cam Newton is less hobbled than he looks

784
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: right now, I'm all right with them. He's the thing.

785
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: They weren't that great enough an offense last year, and

786
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: they have the number two seed in the NFC, so

787
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: all they need to do really is to minimize how

788
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: much worse they get, and hope the defense is still

789
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: this good. And on paper, we've seen the secondary flying

790
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: around in the preseason, and on paper, the front sevens

791
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: as good as any team in the NFL. They could

792
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: have the number one defense. I don't think we'd be stunned.

793
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: We're missing their big weakness here. Yes, everybody talked about

794
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: the wide receiver's all offseason. The offensive line is more

795
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: of a problem. Yeah, Byron Bell got worked over by

796
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones. He's not a good left tackle. Nate Chandler

797
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: at right tackle is a converted defensive end who's unproven.

798
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: The guards did the two starting guards did not play

799
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: for the Pants last year. One is coming off in

800
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: a c L. It's it's a patchwork offensive line. Well,

801
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 1: it's four or five linemen are new from last season,

802
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: and that often just no matter what's going to take

803
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: part of the year for them to even learn how

804
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: to play together, and then by then Carolina will figure

805
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: out that at least two of them don't belong on

806
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: that line. And it's exacerbated by the fact that cam

807
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: Cam Newton isn't moving well right now and now he

808
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: has a fractured rib on top of the ankle, so

809
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna win games like nine to eight. Our power poll,

810
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: that's when we aggregate all our rankings, including Kevin Patrare

811
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Speaker 1: Chicago Correspondent actually had the Panthers as the number two

812
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: team in this division, the Falcon and the number nine

813
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: team in the NFC, the Falcons number eleven, and the

814
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: Buccaneers bringing up the rear at thirteen. I think all

815
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 1: these teams are ranked a little too low in our rankings.

816
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the year we could

817
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: be talking about this is the best division in football

818
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: because the Buccaneers they could be pretty spunky. I mean

819
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: them and the Vikings are kind of the two NFC

820
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: teams I like that aren't getting picked to go to

821
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: the playoffs too much, but it wouldn't surprise me at

822
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: all if they have that sort of ten and six

823
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: type of year. I like that the Bucks have some

824
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: difference makers. Lavonte David and Darryl McCoy are, you know,

825
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 1: arguably the best at their positions. Vincent Jackson's great, Doug

826
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: Martin's good. I believe in Josh McCown. I think it's

827
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: a very shallow roster overall, though, there's no depth on

828
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: either side of the ball. If a starter gets hurt.

829
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: Did we maybe uh get freaked by what we saw

830
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: in the first preseason game or two where Josh McCown

831
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: was just getting swarmed by the I mean, their line

832
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: is an issue. We didn't just get freak. The Bucks

833
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: got freak. They they've had Richie Incognito coming in there

834
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: just account isn't necessarily a quick release quarterback either. So

835
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: it's you know, you do wonder that offense has been

836
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: shrouded in mystery all offseason, but we just don't know

837
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,959
Speaker 1: what we're gonna get. I love the love E Smith

838
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: higher and I think they could be a top five

839
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: defense right now. So if you haven't inherited that potentially

840
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: right But he's a good defensive coach on top of that,

841
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: So he's a good defensive coach. Inheriting a lot of talent,

842
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: you have a top five defense, you can maybe get

843
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: a little lucky with some you know, maccown magic at

844
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: the end of games or something, and you know, win

845
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: nine games, all right. So we have the Buccaneers in

846
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: last place. We love the Saints. Obviously. Let's go through

847
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: each team and decide if they're a candidate for the

848
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: Team of the NFL podcast is that even what are

849
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: we called? It sounds so strange. We'll come up with something, alright.

850
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: The Saints, do we want to consider them? You guys

851
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: do have as the top team in the league, and

852
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: they are a super Bowl favorite. But I'm I'm sending

853
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: them right on through to the next round there. I'll

854
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: send them through. You guys had number one, and uh yeah,

855
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: I lived in New Orleans. I've enjoyed that best place

856
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: in America. Send them through New Orleans, all right? The Bucks,

857
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: I'd like to send the Bucks through. I could send

858
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: them through, all right. And then we have the Falcons, who,

859
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: despite being on hard knocks, not not really getting me excited.

860
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: They play in a dome and it might be Mark's

861
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: least favorite stadium in the NFL. It is. But I

862
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: don't dislike the team necessarily. I wouldn't. It's just not

863
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: an automatic veto for me. But you're not gonna win

864
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: out against the other teams that we've already put through.

865
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: Extremely confusing. Since you guys trying to figure out this

866
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: whole team of a t L A very forget about that, thanks,

867
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: and let's talk about the Panthers so quickly. Uh, they

868
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: were our team last year. We have to consider the

869
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: fact that we might not actually pick our team until

870
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks in the season. So do we

871
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: want to eliminate them right now just because Cam Newton's injured?

872
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: I would say that an ongoing rule that the previous

873
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: year's team automatically gets through this round. They get grandfathered in.

874
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: All right, Uh, we're just killing the Falcons right now.

875
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: Seven teams through out of the last two divisions, right

876
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: or No? We got rid of the Lions, so six

877
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: teams so so far? Six in the NFC. It's all right,

878
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: Let's move on to the final division, the NFC West.

879
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: Everyone seems to think it's the best division in football.

880
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: I guess I would agree with that, although the other

881
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: two teams in the NFC, the North and the South,

882
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: are pretty good too. Did you think at all about

883
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: not making the Seahawks the division winner? Not for one second?

884
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: Neither for I for one second, not even one Yeah me, neither?

885
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: Could they be a fifteen and one type of team? Again?

886
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: Why why are we so convinced there's not going to

887
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: be the Super Bowl drop off that seemingly every Champion

888
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: has had lately. They don't operate that way in my opinion,

889
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: I remember teams from my youth, like when the Giants

890
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: won eight six and then just something caught up to

891
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: them and the and it was whether it was hubris

892
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: or just disorganization, the whole thing collapsed. There was a

893
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: strike that year. Every year something seems to happen with

894
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: the Champions where they chemically change a little bit. Seattle.

895
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: To me, nothing's changed, and watching their preseason and the

896
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: way they operate, they are a fifteen and one type

897
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: operation that they get is awesome, and yet you think

898
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: the Saints are better, Well, there is a dilemma because

899
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: we are probably suggesting that New Orleans has to go

900
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: into Seattle. No, I'm not suggesting that. I think Saints

901
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: finished with a better regular season record. That's the only

902
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: reason I have them in the Super Bowl because I

903
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: think whichever these two teams gets home field advantage will win.

904
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: The Seahawks. I don't think we'll go fifteen and one.

905
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: As we pointed out innumerable times on this podcast, they

906
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: are an unbelievably historically great team at home, and they're

907
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: not unbelievably historically great on the road. They can be beaten, right,

908
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: and they're still fallible. It's a football team. It's not

909
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: we've built them up at this point. It wasn't that

910
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: almost at home. They did lose that home late in

911
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: the season to Carson Palmer, with threw four interceptions at home,

912
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: so things happened. One thing, though, I think what we're discounting, though,

913
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: is that this isn't a team at the peak heading

914
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 1: towards declined phase. There's a lot of young players getting

915
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: better in Seattle. I think Russell Wilson's gonna host a

916
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: new spanded offense. I think get better. I really do

917
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: think that Seattle is not We've not seen the best

918
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 1: from them. I think the Cardinals won that game because

919
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson was in a month long slump, and I

920
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: don't think we'll see that this year. I think you're

921
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: right about the expanded offense. Bucky Brooks has written about this.

922
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: They're gonna open the playbook. Percy Harvan will be used creatively,

923
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: more creatively than he ever was in Minnesota, even though

924
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: it's the same offensive coordinator. I believe they have bigger

925
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: plans for him. I just think the offense is way

926
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: better than it was last year the defense, they lost

927
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: some veteran bodies. It doesn't matter because they are it

928
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. They're so deep, they're just gonna bring in

929
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: guys who are even better. They've got guys like O'Brien Scofield,

930
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: a Cardinals reject, just terrorizing quarterbacks right now. We had

931
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: the forty Niners as a group number four in the NFC.

932
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: YouTube had them in the playoffs. So did Kevin Patrick.

933
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: I have them out of the playoffs. I think just

934
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: too many things They're gonna go wrong for them, maybe

935
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: have some drama, and they'll just get squeezed out in

936
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: a very very good division in conference. You know, they

937
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: might end up with a nine and seven record and

938
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: just miss out that. We have the forty nine fourth

939
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: in our power ball though as a group Cardinals five.

940
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: I have the Cardinals in the playoffs. Mark Sessler has

941
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: the Cardinals in the playoffs. I like it. We're in step.

942
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: Join me and my Cardinals fever. I just I'm a

943
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: big believer in Bruce Arians and I get that the

944
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: defense um has issues, but we've seen so many players,

945
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: so many teams make the playoffs with trouble defenses. Offense

946
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: leads the day, and I really think that Arizona has

947
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: gone out and improved. They've gotten faster, They've got one

948
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: of the deeper wide receiver groups in the entire conference.

949
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: Arians knows how to coach up his quarterbacks and he

950
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: knows how to call a great scheme. I I I

951
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: think that Arizona is going to equal it's win total

952
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: from last season. I think that the only case you've

953
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: got to make for the I've been making for them

954
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: is their offensive gains will make up for what they

955
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: lost on defense. It's an issue to me, there's not

956
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: much difference between the Cowboys and the Cardinals right now.

957
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: The Cardinals have a slightly better defense. They've lost way

958
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: too much talent on that defense. Uh and Carson Palmer

959
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: can't be trusted as much as Tony Romo. Both of

960
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: them will be in shootouts, I think. But you are

961
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: right that they've lost a lot of talent on their defense.

962
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: But let's compare that defense to the team you talked about,

963
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys or the Falcons. We couldn't come up

964
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: with a player that's a difference maker on their defense.

965
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,959
Speaker 1: They have Calais Campbell was one of the very best

966
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: at his position in the league. You have John Abraham

967
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: getting older, but at least was a factor last year,

968
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 1: suspended probably for a short time, thirty six years old.

969
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: I would not downt on John Abraham, He's probably not.

970
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: They have no pass rusher behind John Abraham, right. They

971
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: have Claias Campbell, who's good. I'm just saying they have

972
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson. Plais Campbell. You have Patrick Peterson, you hopefully

973
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: get Honey Badger back. I'm not counting on him being

974
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: Honey Badger, but there is more talent they like. They

975
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: like their first round pick bu Canon. I'm just saying

976
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: there is some town out of all of these two teams.

977
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: According to you, the Cowboys have the best defensive player

978
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: in Henry Milton. The big problem for Arizona, and the

979
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: reason that my prediction could look obscene three months from now,

980
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: is that, well, let's let's be humble. It could be

981
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: a complete disaster the car. The Cowboys play in the

982
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: NFC East, where they're gonna just pick up wins off

983
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 1: of other bad teams. You can't do that in the West.

984
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: And on top of it, they're playing the Broncos, and

985
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: they're playing the rest of the a f C West,

986
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: which has the Chargers, if if schedule, if the forty

987
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: Niners go down the rabbit hole, like Greg suggests, this

988
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: is not nearly the best division in football. The Rams.

989
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: I don't understand why people thought they were good in

990
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: the first place. Now they have, they lost their starting quarterback.

991
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: They have question marks at almost every position on offense

992
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: outside even outside of quarterback. I would think they're in

993
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: the mix as the worst team in the con And

994
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: if I didn't sort of see this as such, isn't

995
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: such a Jeff Fisher season, Like when things were totally

996
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: wrong for him in Tennessee, that was when he would

997
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: do his best and they would just have they would

998
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: just have an eight and eight type of year. I'm

999
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: just saying his teams don't tend to collapse. They tend

1000
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: to fight through back. Jeff Fisher's best teams being when

1001
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: Steve McNair and Eddie George were unbelievable and Chris Johnson

1002
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: was rushing for two thousand yards. I'm thinking some of

1003
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: the I'm thinking not his best teams, but I think

1004
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: some of his best coaching performances were rising some of

1005
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: those Late Titans teams in the late you know, um

1006
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: two thousands with Vince Young and Carrie Collins. I mean,

1007
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: they had a number two seed right with Carrie Collins

1008
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: as their quarterback. That's pretty amazing. That's not a coach

1009
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: the Panics. I mean, he's, he's, he's he's been here before.

1010
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: I think the Rams, to me, are a team that

1011
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: if they win seven games six seven in games, a

1012
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 1: couple are gonna come inside the division and and they're

1013
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: gonna pick off one or two division teams. I don't

1014
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 1: think this is in any way not still the best

1015
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: division in football there is. We We can talk about

1016
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: the forty Niners falling off a clip, but that doesn't

1017
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: happen yet. Right I'm the only one talking about it.

1018
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: You guys have them in the playoffs, as do most people,

1019
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: and I don't think they're gonna fall off a cliff.

1020
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: I do think their offensive line, it's weird how bad

1021
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 1: they struggled in the preseason. We'll see if that really

1022
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: carries over. The defense is the bigger problem. Losing a

1023
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: lot of talent. I mean, Alden Smith. You can't just

1024
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: replace Aldon Smith. We're waiting to hear his suspension. You

1025
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: can't just replace Navarro Bowman. Those are two of the

1026
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: best twenty ten defensive players in the league, no doubt

1027
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: that's but those guys will be back in time. See

1028
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: that's they'll have time to do what the offense. Bowman

1029
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: might not be the same guy though, I mean, he's

1030
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: coming off a pretty bad pretty bad. But didn't we

1031
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 1: see this last year with von Miller and other players

1032
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, you know, we here in August

1033
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: when someone's out for six weeks, our vantage point is

1034
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: of a freak out. There's not how do they succeed?

1035
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: But then it's suddenly it's November. The guy has been

1036
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,479
Speaker 1: back for four weeks, and you forget about it until

1037
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: people in last dog is not to worry one bit

1038
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: about von Miller because the Broncos were that much better

1039
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: than everybody in the general. We can't say that about

1040
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: that's fair, but in general, when when we look at

1041
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: these suspensions, we can overreact to them. It's a long,

1042
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: long season. That's true. They're gonna get Alden Smith back.

1043
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: You know their schedule early in the season, uh, is

1044
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: pretty difficult. They open, actually it's pretty generous. They open

1045
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: in Dallas in their home for Chicago at Arizona, you

1046
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: got the Eagles and the Chiefs. It's manageable. It's manageable.

1047
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: Then they're at the Rams. That's a managable to go

1048
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: four and too early, something like that, and then you

1049
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: know who we don't know in Smith people are concerned

1050
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: about this offense. If after three weeks we still are

1051
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: against those defenses, then we know there's issues. All right, Well,

1052
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: let's go through this division and decide which teams are

1053
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: still alive. As the team of the NFL podcast, anyway,

1054
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: we throw the defending chain Amps into the mix. I

1055
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: would throw the whole division out, throw the whole division out.

1056
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Speaker 1: What Well, now that I think about it, the Cardinals,

1057
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: I would really push hard to push forward. I would.

1058
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: I want to push the Cardinals for Give the Cardinals

1059
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: a chance. West. You love, you love Bruce Arians, you

1060
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: love John Brown, you love Larry fifth Gerald, you love

1061
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: Michael Floyd. This is a down you love downtronned fan bases.

1062
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: Don't they deserve something? All right? That's an impassioned speech,

1063
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: and I'm behind you on that. All right. So we're

1064
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: gonna keep the Cardinals and eliminate the rest of the division.

1065
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: You're gone, all right? Also gone? Uh from the show me.

1066
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave and let you guys talk. He gotta

1067
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: let you guys talk to John Beason. I know we're

1068
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: running a little long, so I gotta get out of

1069
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: here and go to some high, high auctane meetings corporate things.

1070
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: And uh, I'll let you guys handle that. And well,

1071
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: we did get a note that Beeson was uncomfortable speaking

1072
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: with That's really what's going on here. So why would

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00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: that be. I don't know. I just made that. All right,

1074
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: I'll see you guys later, have fun with John. All right,

1075
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: all right, we're very excited about this, Chris. I'm sitting

1076
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 1: here with Chris Wesley and we have a chance today

1077
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: to interview one of the league's premier linebackers for a

1078
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 1: period of time. Now, John Beeson, the former first round

1079
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: pick of the Carolina Panthers out of Miami, now currently

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00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: with the New York Giants. John, thanks so much for

1081
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: joining us today. How are things going? They're going great, man,

1082
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: Just uh, you know, hanging out here, you know, doing

1083
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 1: the store appearance with with the Giants and met Life

1084
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: Stadium is going well. Now where are you at Met

1085
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: Life Stadium at the moment? At the moment, yea very nice.

1086
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: You guys are getting close to the regular season starting.

1087
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 1: I think one of the you know, for us covering

1088
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: all thirty two teams, it seems like with New York,

1089
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: one of the issues and one of the narratives that's

1090
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: bubbled up is with the new offense. Eli Manning has

1091
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: been in the same offense forever. You practice against this

1092
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: new Ben McAdoo outfit, you know, all summer long, every day.

1093
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: What what is your take? It seems like things to

1094
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: the outside have not gone incredibly smoothly. Well, I think

1095
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: everybody needs to kind of, you know, pump the brakes

1096
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, if you put too much

1097
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: stock into the preseason, you'll get fulled every time. You know,

1098
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: you look at a team that you could win every

1099
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: preseason game and have an awful year, a team lose

1100
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: every game and then turn around and win the Super Bowl. So, um,

1101
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, you want to go out and you want

1102
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: to see some execution, and you want to see guys

1103
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, you know, just go out and tackle and block,

1104
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, the basic fundamentals of football. And um, you know,

1105
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: I think we've done that for the most part. Um,

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00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: And once the season starts, you'll see, uh, an offense

1107
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: that's gonna open up when you when you started scheming

1108
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: and game planning UM against opposing defenses. UM, you know,

1109
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: having um seeing the offense and what they've been able

1110
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: to do instead of being innovative and moving guys around

1111
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: and getting guys involved and creating mismatches. It's it's been

1112
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: extremely impressive. UM. I think it's gonna be a very

1113
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: very difficult offense to to uh the play against. And

1114
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that part of it, the actual

1115
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: game planning that goes into uh, you know, the regular season.

1116
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: Right now, we're just not trying to show anything. And

1117
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: that's my take on it. Honestly, Hey, John, the Giants

1118
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: defense gave up about thirty five points a game through

1119
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: six weeks last season, and then they traded for you

1120
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: and got Will Hild back from suspension. It had to

1121
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: be a little bit more complex than that, right, Like,

1122
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: what was what was it that turned that defense around

1123
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: last year? Well, you know when I when I showed up,

1124
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: I looked around the room and I was saying to myself,

1125
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I was talented every every position. Um,

1126
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, why not? And it didn't make sense. But

1127
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, we just kind of you know, took a

1128
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 1: step back everybody collectively and instead of you know, trying

1129
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: to figure out why not just look at yourself, you know,

1130
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: start with yourself. What's what's the scheme, What's what's the call?

1131
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: Are you doing your job at a consistent level? You know,

1132
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: how often are you making plays? You know within the

1133
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: within the confinement of the scheme, And that was really

1134
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: the difference has brought into too. You know the call

1135
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, and um, you guys on the same page

1136
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: as It's scary because now it's a that's where you

1137
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: know your true talent ability can can be displayed. You know,

1138
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: it must have been a tad bitter sweet for you

1139
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: to leave Carolina and that happens to be the season

1140
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: that bang. You know, they with Cam Newton, they end

1141
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: up in the playoffs. They had a very nice season

1142
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: last year. That front seven is nasty looking at their

1143
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: games this year, we've kind of noticed that Cam Newton

1144
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: coming off that that ankle surgery, obviously not as mobile

1145
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: in the past. Do you feel, with what you know

1146
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: about his game him as a pocket passer, can he

1147
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: be as effective a quarterback if he isn't able to

1148
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: use that rushing ability that he has in the past

1149
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: to the same extent. Well, I think, um, you know,

1150
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: he obviously he he has has a talent um to

1151
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: stand in the pocket and make all the throws. And

1152
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: I think mentally he's he's come along, um extremely fast

1153
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: in terms of um you know, what he's done, um

1154
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: since his rookie year and and you know, going from

1155
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: one coordinator to the next. But um, you know, I

1156
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: still think a big part of his game is his

1157
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: ability to run and scramble, and um that's always an

1158
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: outlet for him. It's a safe haven and um, you know,

1159
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: it's something that I think he's gonna need to do

1160
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: to be um as effective as as Cam Newton can be.

1161
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: But um, you know, in terms of what they did

1162
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: last year, man, like you said, it was, it was

1163
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: extremely bittersweet. Although I was happy to be, um, you know,

1164
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: a giant and then the situation that I was in,

1165
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: I was more pleased um with you know the guys

1166
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: and how you know what you know, we said we're

1167
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: gonna do this. We put the work in the off season,

1168
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: guys sacrificed, um, you know, tremendously and to see it

1169
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: all kind of you know, come to fu wition and

1170
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: it was. It was a good sight to see and

1171
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: you know, keep up when I can and talk to

1172
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: those guys, and I can't because they're still uh you know,

1173
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: still my brothers. Um from Afar. Hey, John, we know

1174
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: in the past you've been really high on Luke Keikley.

1175
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: Uh you were saying, even like last season, you knew

1176
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: he was going to be the defensive leader looking around

1177
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: the rest of the league and I, you know, please

1178
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: do not hesitate to praise another one of your ex

1179
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: teammates Thomas Davis here, but who else are the linebackers

1180
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: you see that are just difference makers in the NFL

1181
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: right now? Well, you know what that's the thing man,

1182
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: you know you uh, you laid that question for me. Um,

1183
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: I really feel like, you know, Thomas doesn't get the

1184
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: notoriety that he should. I mean, he's you know, he's

1185
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: a true freak man. I I you know, I played

1186
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: with alongside him. You know, we were that you know,

1187
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: dynamic duo for a long time. And Um, to see

1188
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: what he's been able to do after three a p

1189
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: l s and you know how he is. He is

1190
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: the matchup killer. I mean, you know, you you take

1191
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: a guy like Jimmy Graham. You put them on one

1192
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: side of the field and you put you know, Sprosy

1193
01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: on the other, and it's like, you know, what are

1194
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Or you can bring a safe down

1195
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: and and cover you know, Jimmy Grammers or or Sprows,

1196
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: but you know one of the two. You you kind

1197
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: of got to pick your poison. But Thomas, you can

1198
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: put on the guy and he has the ability to

1199
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: just completely neutralize a guy. He's he's, uh, you know,

1200
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: a weapon that doesn't get praise enough. And he's he's

1201
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: a guy that you know, if I were talking about, Hey,

1202
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: who's the first outside guy, I would take, you know,

1203
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: the stand up next to me. Um, you know, he's

1204
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: that guy. He's a he's that special and he doesn't

1205
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: get enough notoriety. Real quick, what do you see from

1206
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: Lavonte David? Is he a guy that you're high on

1207
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: as well? Oh? Absolutely? Extremely active. I think his football

1208
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: i Q is through the roof based on the type

1209
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: of interceptions he gets. You can tell it's based on

1210
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: film study and knowing route combinations. And then um, you know,

1211
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: ability wise, Uh, you can run match up with anybody

1212
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: great in space, A consistent tackler, um, you know, a

1213
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: huge fan of his, obviously playing the NFC South for

1214
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: a while, and you know he's just burst on the scene.

1215
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: A guy who should have made the Pro Bowl last year,

1216
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: but but then with first team All Pro. So it's

1217
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: funny how that works out. You know, another underrated guy.

1218
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: But um, he is a truly, truly, truly special talent.

1219
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: Now that you've been in New York for enough time

1220
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: to get to know the locker room, you're a fellow

1221
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: Giants teammates. If you had to spend let's say, six

1222
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: months alone on a desert island with one giant, who

1223
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: would it be? Who could you stand being with for

1224
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: that amount of time with one giant? Well, you know

1225
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: what I've I've become, um, you know, really close with

1226
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: Stevie Brown and uh, though I have some some really

1227
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: good friends. Obviously Intro were extremely close. But in Tro

1228
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: doesn't cook as well as Stevie. Stevie's It's important is

1229
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: a chef. This guy is gonna be, you know, like

1230
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: Emerald Live real soon when he's done playing ball. He

1231
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: might you know, get up to about two sixty five

1232
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: or so. But but he is, Uh, he's a special,

1233
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: special dude, making really cook and his instagram is uh,

1234
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: it'll get you hungry man. So you got through the

1235
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: chance to check out Stevie Brown's instagram. That's very smart

1236
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: of you to pick someone that can prepare food in

1237
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: that scenario. I like to exactly. And uh, now you know,

1238
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: I know you're you're tied into this durrist Cell thing.

1239
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: You know. Durst Cell also sponsors our weekly Pis column,

1240
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,439
Speaker 1: which is gonna launch here in a couple of weeks,

1241
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: where we are a little writing team. Week by week

1242
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: we go through all the games and we try to

1243
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: get those right. I want to ask you a prediction.

1244
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: It's about your Giants. Now. I want you to I

1245
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: want you to be honest with me. Let's pretend you

1246
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: were on the outside looking in. Where do the Giants

1247
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: finish in the NFC East and how do you see

1248
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: this team faring overall? Where they going this season? Well,

1249
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: you know what, we realized that we are at the

1250
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: hunters and sometimes it's good, you know, not to have

1251
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: that target on your back. You know, I'm sure Philly

1252
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: is like, you know what, we got a good, good

1253
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: thing going. We have a good team, we got we

1254
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,439
Speaker 1: got good pieces and you know, we want to build

1255
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: on what we did last year. Um, but everyone keeps

1256
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: talking about it. Everyone keeps talking about it. And you

1257
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: know what, Dallas has taking note, and so is Washington,

1258
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: and and and so are we and and if you,

1259
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: if you you get in a situation where you know

1260
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: everyone gutting for you're gonna get their best every week,

1261
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: it makes it, it makes it more difficult. So we're

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Speaker 1: right where we need to be to take care of

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Speaker 1: our business. I I it would be hard pressed for

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Speaker 1: me to say that I don't think we're gonna win

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Speaker 1: a division, but I know that we have a shot

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Speaker 1: to win it. And you know what, now, it's about

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Speaker 1: the preparation, It's about the sacrifice. It's about, um, the

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Speaker 1: day to day grind of just trying to be consistent.

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Speaker 1: And um, if we do that, I think we're gonna

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Speaker 1: gonna be good enough to win a division. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: after missing out last year in Carolina, we'd love to

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Speaker 1: us so you get that chance to get back to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. And thank you so much for your time

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Speaker 1: today joining with us, and was a pleasure to talk

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Speaker 1: with you. And just good luck getting out of the

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Speaker 1: MetLife traffic there. Thanks man. You guys have a good

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Speaker 1: with thank you. All right, Well, Chris, that was enjoyable,

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Speaker 1: wasn't it. Yeah, John Beason really nice guy, a very

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Speaker 1: nice fellow. Listen, we're out of time. You gotta get

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Speaker 1: you gotta get back down to the news room and

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Speaker 1: crank out some more high octane posts. I've got to

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Speaker 1: go home apologize for that. So everyone's gone, I guess

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Speaker 1: for Mark Sessler here and the mailman, and not a

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Speaker 1: shred of another individual will say farewell well I'm here.

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Speaker 1: Well that's right, TD, behind the glass. I'm only looking

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Speaker 1: in the immediate room. In this in the room next

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Speaker 1: to us, t your host again. You know this was

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Speaker 1: a smooth exit until you jumped in there. Goodbye. M