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Speaker 1: Well, if you like nostalgia, like the seventies and the eighties,
Speaker 1: you would love watching the Pittsburgh Steeters outdated offense. I
Speaker 1: mean they're trying to get into a wrestling match and
Speaker 1: have it decided in the last couple of drives. And
Speaker 1: that's what happened tonight. And Dak Prescott, who didn't have
Speaker 1: a great night Ceedee Lamb was vanished in the second half.
Speaker 1: He had a couple of picks. But you know, Dak's
Speaker 1: a professional quarterback. There's always been like to me, he's
Speaker 1: always been sort of Kirk Cousins, but more popular, moves
Speaker 1: a little better, It doesn't throw quite as accurately, but
Speaker 1: these are professor quarterback and you give him a final
Speaker 1: drive and fifteen plays later without really much CD lamb
Speaker 1: and Dallas wins the game. So it's really an embarrassing
Speaker 1: loss for Pittsburgh. And now, I mean, listen this, they
Speaker 1: make one more stop and they win the game. So
Speaker 1: but I went and look, Terry Bradshaw retired the former
Speaker 1: Steeter great in nineteen eighty three, and it's twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: So in that time, the Steeters have had twenty five quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: From Bradshaw's retirement until Justin Fields and Russell Wilson, one
Speaker 1: big ben has been exceptional. Now Cordell Stewart had his moments,
Speaker 1: or a Tommy Maddox or a Bubby Brister, Mike tom Zach,
Speaker 1: but they've had one really high end quarterback. They've had
Speaker 1: multiple great tight ends, receivers, linebackers, defensive alignment running backs,
Speaker 1: they draft wide receivers very well, safeties, corners. They've had
Speaker 1: one exceptional quarterback and that's kind of it. So you're
Speaker 1: watching them tonight pass for ninety seven yards, and again,
Speaker 1: George Pickens should have ninety seven yards. I'll argue all
Speaker 1: day long, it's not the personnel. I mean, Arthur Smith,
Speaker 1: the coordinator made Ryan Tannehill a pro bowler. Five years ago.
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill left Miami, went to Tennessee and nobody had
Speaker 1: him in high regard, and he ended up having a
Speaker 1: really nice career second half of his career, and Arthur
Speaker 1: Smith made him a pro bowler in the AFC. You know,
Speaker 1: that was before you know, Lamar and Mahomes had become
Speaker 1: Josh Allen had become stars. But nonetheless, you know, Brady
Speaker 1: took one of those spots every year, so it's not
Speaker 1: him and Dallas didn't play well. I didn't think offensively,
Speaker 1: I think they looked functional, which the Steelers didn't. But
Speaker 1: they just they're just outdated. Offensively, they don't.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin's a motivator. I think he inspires teams. That's
Speaker 1: his strength. His teams are tough physically. But and the personnel,
Speaker 1: the front office does a good job. There's plenty of
Speaker 1: personnel here. They remind me a lot of Seattle. Now,
Speaker 1: Geno's better than justin fields as a competent sit in
Speaker 1: the pocket, throwing down the field quarterback. But it's it's
Speaker 1: like Seattle. You can't tell me Seattle's roster isn't solid
Speaker 1: They've hit on multiple draft picks the last three years, receivers,
Speaker 1: running backs, corners, mid round, late round guys. But they're
Speaker 1: not good enough a quarterback and couldn't beat the Giants
Speaker 1: at home. And I mean, look at Dallas was without
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons, DeMarcus Lawrence Dak didn't play particularly well and
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh at home passed for ninety seven yards you know,
Speaker 1: end of the you know, the big scoring drive for
Speaker 1: the Steelers tonight. I mean, just to show you how
Speaker 1: pitiful it is, they benefited from hit on Justin Fields
Speaker 1: where the cowboy defender his helmet did not hit Justin
Speaker 1: Field's helmet, nor was it particularly a late hit. It
Speaker 1: was just a hit that officials were I guess, uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with because it was violent. I don't get the penalty.
Speaker 1: It was a bang bang play. There was no helmet
Speaker 1: to helmet collision and it was a penalty. Without that
Speaker 1: fifteen yards, they likely don't score the touchdown. So twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: you know, Dallas wins this game on you know, last
Speaker 1: play of the game, and that's betting. I'm two and
Speaker 1: two going into the Saints in five and a half
Speaker 1: points tomorrow, and what I think will be a really
Speaker 1: interesting game without Rashid Rice, it'll be fairly low scoring
Speaker 1: mostly now the Chiefs win that way. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's what I've found with the Steelers, Mike Tomlin and
Speaker 1: Justin Fields. They're actually a perfect match because you'll never
Speaker 1: make Tomlin fans or Justin Field fans. You'll never talk
Speaker 1: them out of their devotion, regardless of what they see.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, Tomlin, they're still clinging till we've
Speaker 1: never had a losing record, all right, if that's your standard. Uh.
Speaker 1: And Justin Fields, I mean, he's a big, tall, runs
Speaker 1: around well, has a pretty good arm, but I just
Speaker 1: don't think he sees the field particularly well. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's terribly accurate, although more so now than ever.
Speaker 1: And you know, the good news is when you look
Speaker 1: around to the Cowboys and Steeters, because I think we
Speaker 1: watched two. You know, when Mike and DeMarcus Lawrence come back,
Speaker 1: Dallas feels like a low end playoff team to me.
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh doesn't. And again you know Dak with Ceedee Lamb,
Speaker 1: competent receiving crew, not great, but competent. Brandon Cooks comes back,
Speaker 1: you know, Dallas may sneak into the playoffs, although Washington's
Speaker 1: really good and the New York Giants are no pushover.
Speaker 1: I'll talk about that game the Seahawks lost to the
Speaker 1: New York Giants and the Pacific Northwest with John middlecoff
Speaker 1: here in a couple of minutes. But you know, I
Speaker 1: guess the good news for both the Steelers and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys is who's really good?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: There are you know, Baltimore's offense, Cincinnati's offense, Kansas City's defense,
Speaker 1: But I mean teams like San Francisco, they're just not
Speaker 1: the same team. You know, Baltimore can get gash. Buffalo
Speaker 1: is on a two game losing streak, so they're they're
Speaker 1: you know, I think Detroit's good, but something feels like
Speaker 1: it's missing a little bit. I think green Bay is
Speaker 1: getting better every week. I picked them to beat Detroit
Speaker 1: in the NFC North and I think they're they're picking
Speaker 1: up steam. But there really isn't a dominant team so far.
Speaker 1: There are dominant units, but not dominant teams. So we
Speaker 1: have a long way to go. And you know, I
Speaker 1: just but ninety seven yards passing with those weapons on
Speaker 1: a cowboy versus a cowboy defense, that is all beat
Speaker 1: up is a bad look. But again, the Tomlin fans
Speaker 1: one quarterback since Terry bradsch are retired has been exceptional
Speaker 1: and they've either drafted, traded for acquired twenty five Sperkstein
Speaker 1: our quarterbacks. And I will say this about Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: You know, they they these these broadcast crews have production
Speaker 1: meetings before games and they you know, so they get
Speaker 1: some information and over the course of a game, that
Speaker 1: information comes out through the broadcasters or sideline reporters, and
Speaker 1: you know, they made it sound throughout the course of
Speaker 1: the game a couple of different times than you know,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, they showed him a lot earlier. You know,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson will get his shot. But I mean he
Speaker 1: had a calf injury. You know, it's it's he didn't
Speaker 1: break a collar bone, it was it was a calf injury.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think the coaching staff and Arthur
Speaker 1: Smith right now like the more athletic, taller, younger justin
Speaker 1: fields and I think if he would have won tonight,
Speaker 1: they would have stayed with him. But these losses give
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson an opportunity to get the job. But it's
Speaker 1: I mean, how long does a calf injury take for
Speaker 1: a professional athlete. I don't know. This is a long
Speaker 1: time to be out that drama with a Pittsburgh Steelers
Speaker 1: quarterback situation is I just think starting. It's just starting.
Speaker 1: So congrats to the Cowboys again. Back through for almost
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty yards. And the one thing I
Speaker 1: always liked about Dak and I really do appreciate this
Speaker 1: about Dak, and it's kind of the opposite of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: You can't tell in the middle of a game if
Speaker 1: he's playing well or not. He's unbothered by interceptions. Dak
Speaker 1: doesn't care. Dak's made a fortune, He's won a lot
Speaker 1: of games. He's not deterred if he has a couple
Speaker 1: of bad picks. He doesn't have crappy body language. I mean,
Speaker 1: ceedee lamb and him jawed in the game. It doesn't
Speaker 1: affect how he plays. Dak is very much Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: Smart reads the entire field, nice distributor of the football,
Speaker 1: a real leader, excellent intangibles, and doesn't get overly emotional
Speaker 1: in games. You know he's not. He'll pump a fist
Speaker 1: once in a while, but you know he and CD
Speaker 1: are struggling in the second half, and he's got picks.
Speaker 1: He almost fumbled the game away down to the goal line,
Speaker 1: but he's just unbothered by it. Good plays, bad plays,
Speaker 1: and that's He's really one of the models of the personality,
Speaker 1: the EQ, the emotional quottionent that you really need as
Speaker 1: a quarterback. You can't tell. I mean, you can tell
Speaker 1: when Aaron Rodgers throws a pick. You could zone me
Speaker 1: into a game in the third quarter. I could watch
Speaker 1: Aaron's body language and tell you how to not watch
Speaker 1: the game, how he's playing. You can never tell. With
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. He's a total grown up. And the Cowboys
Speaker 1: needed that tonight because they were before that fifteen play drive.
Speaker 1: It was choppy, it was turbulent. They're on the road.
Speaker 1: They seedee Lamb vanishes in the second half, so you
Speaker 1: know Dallas doesn't have a great run game. I mean,
Speaker 1: a full back now has become a crucial element to
Speaker 1: their offense. So credit to Dak being a pros pro.
Speaker 1: Will we watch Kirk Cousins do it on Thursday, You
Speaker 1: watch Dak do it on Sunday night. Professional quarterback play, unemotional, smart,
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Speaker 1: I want to just start with the first game of
Speaker 1: the day, the Jets. So the Minnesota Vikings beat the Jets.
Speaker 1: I was it twenty three to seventeen. And Jets got
Speaker 1: off to a really bad start, as they've been prone
Speaker 1: to do this year. Even though those are supposed to
Speaker 1: be the scripted plays and where you get off to
Speaker 1: pretty decent starts offensively, they didn't. And I've got reams
Speaker 1: and reams of notes here. Sam Darnold had a bad pick.
Speaker 1: There were opper tunities. But so already New York media
Speaker 1: wants to fire Sala, Robert Sala, So let me just
Speaker 1: defend him. And I don't think he's a great coach.
Speaker 1: He hasn't proven to be one. Because the general manager
Speaker 1: whiffed on Zach Wilson and a left tackle, they had
Speaker 1: to basically desperately give the franchise to the best free
Speaker 1: agent quarterback they could find, which was Aaron Rodgers. So
Speaker 1: Aaron had the power to bring in Nat Hackett. I
Speaker 1: don't think Robert Sala wanted to. So his GM put
Speaker 1: him in a situation where he's dealing with a relationship
Speaker 1: with an oc he wouldn't have hired. I mean Nat
Speaker 1: Hackett's you know, reputation is what it is. We know
Speaker 1: he's got an impulsive owner. Now Alan Lizard's had multiple
Speaker 1: drops today. That's on Aaron. But Hassan Reddick, this defense
Speaker 1: is good. They somebody finally shut down Minnesota. How good
Speaker 1: would they be with Hassan Reddick? So I look at
Speaker 1: Saul and I think you can blame him. But John,
Speaker 1: I do this all the time. Are you as a coach,
Speaker 1: Matt Eberflus, are you good with your side of the ball.
Speaker 1: We finally found a defense that slowed down Minnesota today.
Speaker 1: I might take is sla is having to overcome GM mistakes,
Speaker 1: an impulsive owner, and Aaron's age, which he's just not
Speaker 1: what he used to be. You're kind of smirking. Would
Speaker 1: you run him out of town?
Speaker 3: Solo? Well? I laughed, because only Colin Coward and Aaron
Speaker 3: Rodgers could get me out of bed. Six thirty am
Speaker 3: to watch one of these London games and I did it,
Speaker 3: and I did it for you, and I did it
Speaker 3: for Aaron, And ten minutes into the game, you're just
Speaker 3: thinking they're gonna get boat raced. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 3: was just three and out, three and out. You know,
Speaker 3: that game against the Patriots, it was hard to deny
Speaker 3: he had a youthful feel. It turns out the Patriots
Speaker 3: are awful. Yes, And these last two weeks you saw
Speaker 3: him against Denver, who turns out Denver playoff team defense.
Speaker 3: They're pretty impressive. And then obviously Minnesota really really good
Speaker 3: on defense. He looked really old. Yeah, you know, he
Speaker 3: looked really old and he could move around. He's definitely
Speaker 3: you know whatever's going on with his lower leg, it
Speaker 3: was he talked about it coming into the game. He
Speaker 3: got rolled up. But the magic is gone. I mean
Speaker 3: those back shoulder throws, I mean the throw that ended
Speaker 3: the game. There were the pick six, little fluky that
Speaker 3: happens sometimes when you just kind of throw it in
Speaker 3: the guy. But the other two picks the way the
Speaker 3: game ends. When has he ever been so off with
Speaker 3: the wide receiver on that throw that that was really bad.
Speaker 3: But his other pick, which is a layered throw, which
Speaker 3: I would say Aaron Rodgers is as good as anyone
Speaker 3: in the history of the sport. Down the scene between
Speaker 3: two defenders, and it was it looked like a remedial quarterback.
Speaker 3: What they do air mail? I mean, the receiver has
Speaker 3: no shot and you're just going I just don't see it.
Speaker 3: And the other thing is how did they get his
Speaker 3: swag back? And this was when he was younger pre
Speaker 3: Achilles in Green Bay. They started running the ballway and
Speaker 3: you're watching the last two games. I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: think they've accounted for like seventy total yards and they
Speaker 3: don't even try. I mean, you're just at this point
Speaker 3: in time, forty years old, the way he was playing today.
Speaker 3: To ask him to throw at forty five ish times
Speaker 3: is not a winning formula. And let's face it, Colin,
Speaker 3: these quarterbacks and his resume was way better than Russell
Speaker 3: Wilson and obviously Deshaun Watson. But great quarterbacks never become available.
Speaker 3: That never happens. The reason Peyton Manning became available they
Speaker 3: thought his neck was broken. Yeah, right. Bill Belichick said, listen,
Speaker 3: you guys don't think I'm crazy. I'm shorting a forty
Speaker 3: two year old player. It's very rare that like oh
Speaker 3: Josh Allen and his primer Lamar changes teams, that's not
Speaker 3: what happens. So we now have a long list of
Speaker 3: Russell disaster. Obviously Deshawns has a chance to be historic disaster.
Speaker 3: And this Aaron Rodgers thing. Last year, old guy got hurt,
Speaker 3: freaky okay, and this year you're just seeing him play
Speaker 3: decent competition and they just feel overwhelmed. I mean they
Speaker 3: really do, but it's he's not good enough. He's not
Speaker 3: good enough to mask their issues, like you said, with
Speaker 3: their offensive coordinator and their personnel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they asked him to throw fifty four times and
Speaker 1: he's not that player. And the other thing is, you
Speaker 1: know I had said this, I always thought Cam Newton
Speaker 1: wasn't very disciplined mechanically, but I thought he got away
Speaker 1: with it in his prime. You know, Cam was just
Speaker 1: an arm thrower. He wouldn't set Aaron has been able
Speaker 1: to get away with sometimes floating, flipping, kind of a.
Speaker 3: Captimes I would say, the majority of the time.
Speaker 1: Right, And in his prime he could get away with it,
Speaker 1: and he just can't anymore. His mechanics, Cam Newton's mechanics
Speaker 1: they're just and that's why. That is literally why Brady
Speaker 1: was good to the end. He was mechanically.
Speaker 3: Perfect too before his arm fell off.
Speaker 1: Yep, and Aaron and Cam Newton jump out to me
Speaker 1: as players that were just sort of so gifted they
Speaker 1: got away with it. I mean, go back to Aaron's
Speaker 1: last year in Green Bay. They were eight to nine
Speaker 1: Aaron again in a organization that was young but stable.
Speaker 1: They lost at home to Detroit, which was one year
Speaker 1: away from being good. And now you look at them,
Speaker 1: think about this. Denver, with a worse roster and a
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback, has a better record and has beaten the
Speaker 1: Jets head to head with boon Knicks, who, by the way,
Speaker 1: I watched the day again. They're not asking him to
Speaker 1: do a ton, but athletically bo Nicks is moving. Boone
Speaker 1: Nicks is picking up, He's moving the chains. That's an
Speaker 1: average roster that Vegas had at five five and a
Speaker 1: half wins. So Denver's beaten them in New York, has
Speaker 1: a better record one again today and is actually starting
Speaker 1: to figure it out offensively. So I think I think
Speaker 1: your point is true, is that when you talk about
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Matt Stafford has kind of like Aaron.
Speaker 1: He's still he doesn't move as well, but I think
Speaker 1: he's mechanics are better and he's got a better head coach.
Speaker 1: But you most of these guys not named Brady John
Speaker 1: may age really fast and Aaron gull hit today. He
Speaker 1: was in pain the last quarter and a half of
Speaker 1: that football game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels this could end pretty ugly the rest
Speaker 3: of this year. Obviously, they'll still win some games. They
Speaker 3: got players. I don't view them as like a four
Speaker 3: or five win team, but it could be a bumpy
Speaker 3: seven to eight win ride. And the way he looks
Speaker 3: relative to what he's been You talked about this a
Speaker 3: lot leading into the season. You know where he would
Speaker 3: rank in the AFC, the overall landscape of the quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: and you know, a lot of people freak out when
Speaker 3: you say, hey, seventh, eighth, ninth guy, give or take
Speaker 3: somewhere in that region. The last two weeks, he hasn't
Speaker 3: sniffed being a top twenty quarterback. Obviously, last week he
Speaker 3: even admitted he was atrocious. And today you just see
Speaker 3: his physical limitations. He's not able to move like he
Speaker 3: once did. You know, beside Garrett Wilson. They're solizarre dependent
Speaker 3: and when they're not running the ball, he can't just go.
Speaker 3: It was really glaring today because again, we had a
Speaker 3: football game start for us at six thirty in the morning,
Speaker 3: so right when the ten am game starts, and you
Speaker 3: just go from that because that basically ran right up
Speaker 3: till ten and then all of a sudden, it's Lamar
Speaker 3: and Joe Burrow and you go. You know, for a
Speaker 3: long period of time. Even these guys have been good
Speaker 3: for a while now too, but a couple years ago,
Speaker 3: Aaron was ahead of them, winning MVPs or right there
Speaker 3: with them, the superstars of the league. And then you're
Speaker 3: watching those two guys and you just witnessed Aaron. You're like,
Speaker 3: he feels like, I didn't watch this, but Willie May's
Speaker 3: on the Mets or something now his version of it,
Speaker 3: and it's just I don't think that you can circumvent
Speaker 3: his age if you can't run the ball, because his
Speaker 3: game was very predicated on him moving around. And there's
Speaker 3: a couple of times I think he knows, like I
Speaker 3: can't get away like I used to, and he kind
Speaker 3: of just plops and it was a he just looks old.
Speaker 3: He looks weathered, Colin. He looks weathered.
Speaker 1: What I think really helps Robert Sala and saves his
Speaker 1: job for the time being is they don't have a
Speaker 1: strong offensive coordinator. If they did, I think Woody Johnson
Speaker 1: if they lost to Buffalo would make a move.
Speaker 3: I really do.
Speaker 1: He's that impulsive. But they don't have a great coordinator.
Speaker 3: Is that who they played this upcoming week? Buffalo?
Speaker 1: I think it's Buffalo's on the schedule, so their schedule
Speaker 1: gets really tough.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: The other thing is that, and I mean they targeted
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson twenty two times today. They're like the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: If Ceedee Lamb or Garrett Wilson twist at an ankle,
Speaker 1: they don't have an offense. They're totally dependent. That's why
Speaker 1: the Devonte Adams rumors make sense. But you know, when
Speaker 1: you start looking at the Jets, and I said this
Speaker 1: this week, Yankees Mets in the playoffs next season starting
Speaker 1: this is the first viable championship team. So much of
Speaker 1: this franchise historically has been about relevance. And it's like
Speaker 1: I always call him the low self esteem sports franchises.
Speaker 1: You know, Cleveland gets desperate. Deshaun Watson's contract. You know,
Speaker 1: we've seen NBA franchises like this, the Jets, Mets, historically,
Speaker 1: the Yankees had a big signing. We have to have
Speaker 1: one this organization. Now you start looking at it, I
Speaker 1: think they have to draft a quarterback in the AFC Mahomes,
Speaker 1: Allen Lamar Burrow, C J. Stroud, Justin Herbert. You know,
Speaker 1: it was okay, let's get Aaron some help next year.
Speaker 1: They have to draft a quarterback. There's no question they
Speaker 1: have to draft a quarterback.
Speaker 3: Well, I understand the GM and the coach have to
Speaker 3: be realizing the light at the end of the tunnel.
Speaker 3: If they win seven eight games, they're all going to
Speaker 3: get fired. But you cannot trade a high pick for
Speaker 3: Devonte Adams. I think that's malpractice in the long term
Speaker 3: landscape of this operation because even if you add DeVante Adams, okay,
Speaker 3: what you're still probably a one and done playoff team
Speaker 3: at best, maybe winning a game. If this is the
Speaker 3: version of the quarterback right, he's not a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't know if you saw the
Speaker 3: report today, did Mark Davis? You know, most of these
Speaker 3: teams it's like, listen, I hire my GM. You do
Speaker 3: what's best for the organization. Mark Davis like, we will
Speaker 3: not take anything less than a second round pick, which
Speaker 3: I understand where he's coming from, but that kind of
Speaker 3: shows you the dysfunction of the Raiders. He's the one
Speaker 3: making the call on the compensation, but maybe the justice
Speaker 3: kind of give in. Well, they're not gonna be a
Speaker 3: top five drafting team, right, They're still gonna win games,
Speaker 3: So you're not drafting high enough to probably get the
Speaker 3: premium guy, which is already a pretty questionable quarterback draft,
Speaker 3: so you're more likely to be where they just were
Speaker 3: twelve to fifteen. So giving up that second round pick
Speaker 3: or your two third round picks or whatever that's valuable,
Speaker 3: you know, capital to move up. So I now that's
Speaker 3: the problem though, So internally, these guys are fighting for
Speaker 3: their lives, yeah, because they can just see getting fired
Speaker 3: coming right down, you know, the railroad tracks at him.
Speaker 3: So maybe they're like, screw it, take the pick, Mark,
Speaker 3: And if I'm the Raiders and I could get the
Speaker 3: Jets pick, that's that seems pretty crazy to me. And
Speaker 3: I also think if you're DeVante Adams, you know you
Speaker 3: go with Aaron, It's like, is he gonna retire after
Speaker 3: this year. It just it feels this is the problem
Speaker 3: about how much limited equity the franchise had together that
Speaker 3: once you go through a little adversity, like the Niners
Speaker 3: right now are in shambles. Yeah, but at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, Fred George Kittle, Trent Willings, all you
Speaker 3: guys have played together for so long, and the Patriots
Speaker 3: or the Chiefs when they go through bumpy roads, like
Speaker 3: sometimes it's like, hey, guys, we've been doing this for
Speaker 3: a while. Everyone with the Jessic I just got here,
Speaker 3: you just got here. We've played four games with Aaron total.
Speaker 3: It's just it's it feels like a ticking time bomb
Speaker 3: because of this situation hanging over the head with the
Speaker 3: with the executive and the coach, and then Aaron's ah,
Speaker 3: and he's just kinda I don't want to say he's poudy,
Speaker 3: but he's just his body language is not grey right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Viking fans, I know you're upset with us
Speaker 1: because we're talking about the New York Jets, but they're
Speaker 1: in crisis. The Vikings now are undefeated. They had a
Speaker 1: pretty bumpy second half. Sam Darnold did have one of
Speaker 1: his kind of classic reckless interceptions. But I will say this,
Speaker 1: he mostly managed the game even good. I mean, Kansas
Speaker 1: City's had multiple bad halfs and Mahomes has had multiple
Speaker 1: horrible picks. Today, Stafford had another one, Aaron had several,
Speaker 1: so Donald is allowed to have some. You know, he
Speaker 1: throws the ball down the field. Sam has receivers that
Speaker 1: can make plays. I thought overall, Minnesota really really controlled
Speaker 1: the game in the first half, got into Aaron's head,
Speaker 1: and then it was just holding on. I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like that way with the New York Giants, even
Speaker 1: though we thought the game was in doubt, I feel
Speaker 1: like it was the Giants' day. Their own line was
Speaker 1: just controlling Seattle's injury plague d line. So Minnesota's undefeated.
Speaker 1: I don't take anything negative. You're not going to run
Speaker 1: through this league. I mean, good God, Bama got beat
Speaker 1: by Vandy. You're not going to run through this league
Speaker 1: and not have really bad halfs. So I don't have
Speaker 1: any take on Minnesota. They won.
Speaker 3: That's an impressive wins to me. You're not going to
Speaker 3: beat everyone going up twenty eight nothing in the first quarter, right,
Speaker 3: That wasn't a sustainable model, So to me, to win
Speaker 3: a game like this where you did have the lead
Speaker 3: the whole time, but they were kind of coming back
Speaker 3: and your defense hold serve and like you said, Sam,
Speaker 3: like he didn't crumble today would have been a moment
Speaker 3: yep in previous years where maybe he fumbles and throws
Speaker 3: two other picks and it's just you know, the Jets
Speaker 3: win because they get handed to victory by Sam Darland,
Speaker 3: and that did not happen today.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's go to San Francisco Arizona. That was
Speaker 1: one of my blazing five picks. I like this seven
Speaker 1: and a half. Arizona I think should have won by more,
Speaker 1: but they had that field goal blocked and San Francisco
Speaker 1: took it. In Arizona beats the Niners twenty four to
Speaker 1: twenty three. San Francisco once again without Christian McCaffrey. Kyle
Speaker 1: shannan has losing record. Now, Mason Jordan's a good running back,
Speaker 1: but McCaffrey gives you so much more than that. So
Speaker 1: I had said one of the things, I believe, I
Speaker 1: think Washington's for real. And when they housed Arizona, people sold,
Speaker 1: but Jesus Arizona, Murray Harrison and Wilson McBride the tight end.
Speaker 1: Connor's a freaking beast at running back. He is, He's
Speaker 1: a good player. This offense. I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: a playoff team. I don't know if they're brilliantly coached,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna beat teams. They just have too many players.
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray after the interception of Bosa standing still in
Speaker 1: freezing would drive me insane if I was a head coach.
Speaker 1: But let's let's it's a huge win for them. Let's
Speaker 1: talk San Francisco. I thought their offense. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you looked at the box gol I did right before
Speaker 1: I came on, I mean, it was even if you
Speaker 1: didn't watch the game, you'd say, oh, it's a great game,
Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty three, but it did feel like
Speaker 1: it was a game in which San Francisco had in
Speaker 1: the bag and let's slip away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were one and six in the red zone.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're just not scoring enough points. And I
Speaker 3: don't know if that's you can put it all on
Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey. Obviously he's a loss.
Speaker 1: It's a part of it.
Speaker 3: You got, you got Brandon Aiyuki, got George Kittle, you
Speaker 3: got Deebo, Samuel Juwan Jennings, you got Mason. Like to me,
Speaker 3: there are no excuses to not You're up twenty three
Speaker 3: to ten and a half. And I understand you lose
Speaker 3: your kicker early in the game, but I don't give
Speaker 3: a shit You're you're not playing. This is not the
Speaker 3: seven Patriots here, Like you said, they've always Kyler's always
Speaker 3: given the Niners fits. You know, he basically opened the
Speaker 3: game up with a fifty yard run. They do a
Speaker 3: lot of that zone read stuff. It throws the Niners
Speaker 3: d lineman off because they are so quick to get
Speaker 3: upfield and all of a sudden, the crease. The Niners
Speaker 3: defense has not been the same.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 3: Today was a total team loss offense and defense. Purdies
Speaker 3: I thought was pretty hit or miss, even the final pick,
Speaker 3: which is not all his fault. He's hit, but Tom
Speaker 3: Brady's like George Kittle's wide open. We don't have time
Speaker 3: to be patting the ball. You gotta get rid of it.
Speaker 3: I don't care what your You have to make these
Speaker 3: quick decisions. And that's what they lean on him to do,
Speaker 3: to be really smart. And I thought, it's like you're
Speaker 3: holding the ball for a guy that's covered down the
Speaker 3: field when you got eighty five wide open. But defensively,
Speaker 3: Greenlaw got hurt in that Super Bowl and they are
Speaker 3: just not the same as a run defense. You can
Speaker 3: run on them the physicality. They still hit hard, but
Speaker 3: usually it's guy six seven yards down the field right,
Speaker 3: and if Boston the d line doesn't sack the quarterback
Speaker 3: basically wants to drive, which is hard for them when
Speaker 3: they're playing a guy like Kyler Murray who can scramble around.
Speaker 3: They just look like, I don't want to say, a
Speaker 3: shell of themselves, but they are a watered down version
Speaker 3: of the defense we've seen for the last three years.
Speaker 3: And that's with Fred Warner playing at a really high level.
Speaker 3: But I think you feel green Laws miss and let's
Speaker 3: face it, just over time, like this dynasty not a dynasty,
Speaker 3: excuse me, that's that's Chiefs. This run of the Shanahan
Speaker 3: era is like there's a lot of film on these guys, now, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, so it's it gets more difficult. People know
Speaker 3: what party likes to do, what Kyle likes to do.
Speaker 3: And defensively, they've had a lot of It's not like
Speaker 3: they have a spags right or a Flores. I mean,
Speaker 3: they just elevated this guy who's been a lifetime position
Speaker 3: coach that I'm safe to say no one else was
Speaker 3: ringing down the doorbell to hire. Well.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at Seattle's legion of boom defense. You
Speaker 1: get about a three year run on new stuff and
Speaker 1: then and then you know, the legion of boom. All
Speaker 1: of a sudden, somebody's a free agent.
Speaker 3: They leave.
Speaker 1: You can't afford them. All of a sudden. The league's
Speaker 1: got two and three years of tape. You know Miami's offense,
Speaker 1: Remember for about seven games, eight games, nobody can follw
Speaker 1: that motion. Then people it's dot college football, where you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes a coach can't literally can't over the course of
Speaker 1: a game, the coordinators can't solve the riddle. NFL team
Speaker 1: solve the riddle at half. It's just better coaching. So
Speaker 1: I look at I think that's a great point by you,
Speaker 1: and I also I also think, you know, there are
Speaker 1: certain guys I can't quit. I'll get to Lamar later.
Speaker 1: I think he's just a remarkable player. Kyler Murray, you
Speaker 1: have to make decisions in this league. You would hope
Speaker 1: you'd never have to make it with a quarterback maturity commitment.
Speaker 1: But John, you look around this league, there are not
Speaker 1: a lot of Kyler Murray's. Let's say he's Let's say
Speaker 1: he is, and I think he throws a better ball
Speaker 1: than Lamar, but I think he's about eighty percent of
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson in terms of elusiveness, movement, playmaking. He brings
Speaker 1: the same headache to a decordinator. You're never quite sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't cheat. That's why Connor, you can't
Speaker 1: cheat on him. And that's I've said this about it
Speaker 1: is people hung around with Jay Cutler, who didn't have
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's ability for a long time because of the
Speaker 1: arm strength. Where are you on Kyler Murray? I mean
Speaker 1: they're stuck with a contract. I mean him not moving
Speaker 1: on the Bosa pick, just staring at it is like bad,
Speaker 1: Like that's really bad. In the film room, I.
Speaker 3: Think one fatal flaw And I would say the biggest
Speaker 3: difference between Lamar and Kyler is Kyler cannot see sitting
Speaker 3: in the pocket and Lamar can he and he did
Speaker 3: it today. He can pick you apart in the pocket
Speaker 3: when he's on and Kyler one of his biggest throws
Speaker 3: the day on a fourth down to Marvin Harrison. He
Speaker 3: can do the Lamar Michael Jackson backpedal right and get
Speaker 3: away from pressure. Because he's such an elite athlete, he's
Speaker 3: got such a great arm. But you have to get
Speaker 3: him on the movie. To me, he's a little bit
Speaker 3: of a tease like he is fair. He's an excellent talent.
Speaker 3: Do I think you can build a sustainable winning team
Speaker 3: with him? I'm not sure you can't.
Speaker 1: I think you're right.
Speaker 3: I think he's I think he's a tough guy to
Speaker 3: win with over the course of a season, But on
Speaker 3: an individual game basis, like you said, no defensive coordinator
Speaker 3: feels great getting on the bus headed to the stadium.
Speaker 1: Nope, I think that's the best way when I watch him.
Speaker 1: First of all, he's gonna get dinged up over the
Speaker 1: course of a season. He runs a lot, and he's small.
Speaker 1: And the second thing is he he's he's sort of
Speaker 1: a moody player. There's times when he's really engaged, and
Speaker 1: there's times when he feels a little like Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: After Aaron had that second pick, he started he was
Speaker 1: kind of too casual with some of his deliveries, like
Speaker 1: he was pissed off, and he was telling Hackett to go,
Speaker 1: go go, and he's Iroll and Lazard and Alan. It's
Speaker 1: not that Aaron's not playing hard, but you can see
Speaker 1: his emotions. You know, Brady would pump his fist after
Speaker 1: a touchdown or he'd yell briefly on the sidelines, but
Speaker 1: he was fairly robotic emotionally.
Speaker 3: In a game.
Speaker 1: Aaron and Kyler Murray, I can I can tell I
Speaker 1: could just tune the game in and go. They're leading,
Speaker 1: their trailing, they just threw a pick. And I think
Speaker 1: Kyler's hard to coach, even though I think he's brilliant.
Speaker 1: I think he keeps everybody on eggshells. I've been told
Speaker 1: this by a former teammate, an executive, and a coach
Speaker 1: that Cliff Kingsbury there were times he wanted to go
Speaker 1: to Colt McCoy like it.
Speaker 3: Drove him nuts. I think it's weird, right. I respect
Speaker 3: his god given abilities, which he's got to be on
Speaker 3: the short list of some of the greatest athletes that
Speaker 3: have ever played the sport. I mean, you're talking like
Speaker 3: Bo Jackson Deon Sanders, especially when you factor in the
Speaker 3: guy was a top ten draft pick in baseball, but
Speaker 3: also his main downfall as a player, beside the intangible stuff,
Speaker 3: that height is something pretty hard to overcome. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: in a game when I can core value or you're
Speaker 3: just not running it at well, which he was today,
Speaker 3: I don't trust him to be able to do what
Speaker 3: Lamar consistently does because I think there's a big difference
Speaker 3: in whatever Lamar is sixty three. I mean that's you know,
Speaker 3: almost a five inch gap between the If you told
Speaker 3: me Kyler Murray was Lamar's height, I don't. I still
Speaker 3: think that what Lamar's intangibles are pretty special.
Speaker 1: And Lamar is also there is no question he is
Speaker 1: completely committed to his sport.
Speaker 3: No one's ever exactly. So the intangible stuff, which is
Speaker 3: a make or break thing, would still drive people nuts
Speaker 3: with Cayler, but I do think he would. Then you
Speaker 3: could make the argument you could build a sustainable winner
Speaker 3: with him because he can't throw like it's not because
Speaker 3: of lack of armstrang. I just legitimately think he can't see.
Speaker 3: How could you? Yeah, it's just it's just basic math, right.
Speaker 3: The guy standing in front of him six five, he's
Speaker 3: five nine. That's why he runs around and he god
Speaker 3: he's a fun player to watch.
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Speaker 1: Now, all right, let's segue to Houston beats Buffalo twenty
Speaker 1: three to twenty and I want to talk specifically the
Speaker 1: bill second straight loss about some game management. So, for
Speaker 1: those who didn't watch, the game was tied twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: There was forty seconds left. The Bills were deep in
Speaker 1: their own territory at the three yard line. Houston had
Speaker 1: all their timeouts. So what you'd want to do is
Speaker 1: run the ball in the line, run it into the line,
Speaker 1: run in the line, force the Texans to use all
Speaker 1: their timeouts, punt it away, and they'd have, you know,
Speaker 1: sixteen seconds. Instead, the Bills through the ball three times,
Speaker 1: givvy Houston just enough time to get it and kick
Speaker 1: a field goal and win. So this stuff was and
Speaker 1: I don't like to crush coaches. John on game management,
Speaker 1: Andy Reid took heat for years. I don't know your injuries,
Speaker 1: I don't know your game plan. But there are things
Speaker 1: I think that it's fair to criticize coaching. I think
Speaker 1: there's I mean, like, listen the Cowboys. Seventeen seconds they're
Speaker 1: running a quarterback draw. It's like, that's not the play,
Speaker 1: especially when you watch Kirk Cousins in Atlanta meticulously line
Speaker 1: up this past Thursday to win, like that's how a
Speaker 1: veteran team does it, and a veteran quarterback. But I
Speaker 1: watched that game management by the Bills as they lose
Speaker 1: to the Texans, and there's no I mean, it's Buffalo's fine.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a good organization. They're going to
Speaker 1: win this division. I mean New England's awful, the Jets
Speaker 1: aren't very good, and Miami's quarterback play is you know, suboptimal.
Speaker 1: But I was sitting there thinking, and I like McDermott,
Speaker 1: but I'm sitting there thinking that one's on MCDNERHM and
Speaker 1: Josh Allen won't say it, but do you believe against
Speaker 1: the John Harbaugh A Jim Harbaugh a Demiico Ryans and
Speaker 1: Andy Reid in maybe a year of Sean Payton. Do
Speaker 1: you trust Sean McDermott.
Speaker 3: Well, I picked this team to, you know, compete for
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. I liked him more than most people
Speaker 3: that thought they were going to take a step back.
Speaker 3: And that was pretty embarrassing because C. J. Stroud had
Speaker 3: a pick and a fumble in the fourth quarter. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they were trying to give you the game. And in
Speaker 3: that situation, at this point in time, how can you like,
Speaker 3: I can't trust the Bills. And I've been one of
Speaker 3: Josh Allen's biggest fans, but it's hard to say he's
Speaker 3: you know, based on today, you couldn't say he's better
Speaker 3: than Lamar. That's what I mean. It was one of
Speaker 3: the worst games I've ever seen him play. He was
Speaker 3: atrocious today. So part of it to me, and this
Speaker 3: is always the pushback from the anti analytical number people
Speaker 3: of like are we sure in this situation? Like I
Speaker 3: get the overall picture, but it's like you're pinned your
Speaker 3: quarterback I think at the time was like nine for
Speaker 3: twenty seven, yeah, which again I don't remember him playing
Speaker 3: such a bad game, and to throw it three times
Speaker 3: when your quarterback's playing poorly. To me, if he's rolling
Speaker 3: and that's the pushback, I think the Zach Taylor's gonna
Speaker 3: get It's like your guy is humming. So you had
Speaker 3: your decisions have to be dictated off what's going on
Speaker 3: in the game.
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning has talked about this with analytics before. He said,
Speaker 1: there are times to go for two, but if you're
Speaker 1: squeezing out two yards run and they have a pass rush,
Speaker 1: it can't just be well, the numbers say, it's like,
Speaker 1: what's happening in the game. Josh wasn't playing well in
Speaker 1: the game on the road.
Speaker 3: I just I can't believe they didn't just run the
Speaker 3: ball three times. It basically burned off what like twelve seconds.
Speaker 3: And even for the Houston Texas, like it was still
Speaker 3: pretty tight, they only got a fifty nine yard field
Speaker 3: goal off. It's not like, well, they ended up kicking
Speaker 3: a twenty yard chip shot. So it's that loss. Given
Speaker 3: that CJ threw the pick and had the fumble down
Speaker 3: the stretch. After you had again back to back weeks
Speaker 3: started really slow, looked terrible. I mean it looked at
Speaker 3: one point in time if if Houston was gonna play, well,
Speaker 3: they're gonna lose forty to ten in this.
Speaker 1: Game, Okay, so they try to trick play. Was it
Speaker 1: last week or Joe? Okay, it was the Ravens and
Speaker 1: McDermott clearly didn't call it. He said, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to talk to our guys about daddy Joe Brady.
Speaker 1: So my question is is this Brady or McDermott. I
Speaker 1: would guess it's I would guess it's Brady.
Speaker 3: Well to me, though, Colin, he's the head coach, so
Speaker 3: at any moment he can tell him, yeah, he's not
Speaker 3: calling the place. And I would guess, like a lot
Speaker 3: of defensive coaches, he doesn't know the details of every
Speaker 3: single play in the offensive playbook, but he easily can
Speaker 3: get on the headset and go, Joe run the ball here. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And unless Joe wants to be a malcontent and get
Speaker 3: fired the next day, he said, yes, coach, it works.
Speaker 3: And I think that is a mistake that clearly he
Speaker 3: didn't say it, and he let his offensive coordinator, who
Speaker 3: I think's done a pretty good job. Yes, he's taken over.
Speaker 3: Not really debatable. That is one that's an embarrassing moment
Speaker 3: when your quarterback's playing like he was playing, and your
Speaker 3: offense was playing like it was playing. They were running
Speaker 3: the ball. Well, maybe who knows, Maybe you bust like
Speaker 3: a fifteen to twenty yard run and then maybe you
Speaker 3: take a shot. But you got to take a deep breath.
Speaker 3: You've got to force him to take timeouts. And again
Speaker 3: they kicked me fifty nine yard field goal, so the
Speaker 3: time would not have been on their side. You would
Speaker 3: have been overtime. Now there's no guarantee you go to overtime. Shit,
Speaker 3: anything could happen, but that is a it's hard for
Speaker 3: me to take the bills. I was high on him
Speaker 3: after three weeks, but these last two weeks, especially today,
Speaker 3: it's like, well.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it's the drip, drip, drip. There's
Speaker 1: the Texas had.
Speaker 3: A bunch of injuries today too. It's like it's not
Speaker 3: like they were fully strength.
Speaker 1: No, it's just one of those things where when you
Speaker 1: see things that build up over time. It's the bad
Speaker 1: call against the Ravens, though I don't think their defense
Speaker 1: was stopping him anyway. But you do these standalone games,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be judged more harshly so that today it
Speaker 1: was not a standalone game. So you have to be
Speaker 1: egregiously outrageously wrong for us to talk about it and
Speaker 1: people to talk about it. But I I can't remember
Speaker 1: the last time I watched a head coach in the
Speaker 1: NFL not just make an It wasn't a mistake, it
Speaker 1: was a belief. It was a now we're gonna do it, first,
Speaker 1: on second, on third, It's like, Sean, what are we
Speaker 1: doing here?
Speaker 3: What are we doing here?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: I think the thing if you're a Bills fan, which
Speaker 3: would be hard to sleep, is like our organization is
Speaker 3: so well run. We do a really really good job
Speaker 3: of like character guys, talented guys. We got rid of digs.
Speaker 3: We looked like we drafted well. Key On Coleman had
Speaker 3: a big time, like we know what we're doing, like
Speaker 3: we But what has been their downfall over the last
Speaker 3: couple of years? Specific coaching things, specific coaching things like
Speaker 3: that's really been the difference of them who knows, you know,
Speaker 3: super bowls of coin flip game usually, but like being
Speaker 3: in a Super Bowl and getting run in the second
Speaker 3: round up whatever with thirteen seconds left, like that's kind
Speaker 3: of been there. You watch today. It's not like we
Speaker 3: just didn't have enough talent, or we're not we don't
Speaker 3: have enough good players. No, it's like specific coaching things
Speaker 3: now has been the Bill's downfall. And in this sport,
Speaker 3: this isn't baseball where you can blame the GMS because
Speaker 3: they were setting the lineup. This isn't basketball where the
Speaker 3: star player can do whatever he wants, like in football,
Speaker 3: the head coach. There's a reason they get so much
Speaker 3: money and so much praise because they do control so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and adding to that, the Bill's inability to win trophies,
Speaker 1: even though they've been to several Super Bowls. It just mounts,
Speaker 1: It just adds. It adds an enormous amount of weight
Speaker 1: on the franchise that you get, you're gonna get. For
Speaker 1: as much as Josh Allen takes a beating, you probably
Speaker 1: have four more premier years and then four more good years.
Speaker 1: He won't age like Cam because I think he I
Speaker 1: think mechanically, I think he's more coachable. I mean, he
Speaker 1: does mechanically get off the reservation, but he gets pulled
Speaker 1: back in. He's clearly a coachable kid. He's he's into
Speaker 1: the right stuff. But you probably only have four great
Speaker 1: years left of just like and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's like Travis Kelsey says, then you're on your fourth surgery.
Speaker 1: You know, your second ankle surgery, your third shoulder surgery.
Speaker 3: So but even today, there was a moment late in
Speaker 3: that game, Oh yeah, he got hurt where he had
Speaker 3: to go to the tent in Trubisky and they basically
Speaker 3: wasted to play on a run ye know where I'm
Speaker 3: sure that they would have passed it with him because
Speaker 3: they were in the red zone. And he takes a
Speaker 3: lot of shots. Now, he is physically like he's like
Speaker 3: a Lebron Giannis type of the NFL. Right, there are
Speaker 3: many back to Cam, back to Roethlisberger, but look at
Speaker 3: those guys, and I do think Josh is a pretty
Speaker 3: special player. Today was pretty bad. Yes, they're not going
Speaker 3: to win with their quarterback going nine to thirty. They
Speaker 3: got no chance against the Texans or just a random
Speaker 3: NFL team.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk Chicago Bears thirty six, Carolina Panthers ten.
Speaker 1: It's an early window game. So Caleb Williams again every week,
Speaker 1: looks a little more secure. Twenty to twenty nine, three
Speaker 1: hundred yards a couple of tds. They jumped out to
Speaker 1: a twenty seven to seven lead. Swift had a couple
Speaker 1: of really nice runs. The run game was okay, but
Speaker 1: Swift does give you he gives you pop. He'll hit
Speaker 1: on a couple of big runs, and so you have
Speaker 1: to be honest. DJ Moore again Clivenge game, revenge game.
Speaker 1: And my take watching Caleb is and I said this
Speaker 1: before the season. I said, I don't know if they'll
Speaker 1: win more than seven games, which is what Justin Fields won,
Speaker 1: because I do believe Minnesota, Detroit and Green Bay the
Speaker 1: division's better young team's all good. But I said, you'll
Speaker 1: feel better about the seven wins. And I think today
Speaker 1: because Carolina was playing pretty damn good football. Two things today.
Speaker 1: Once again, we have to give Matt Eberfluse credit.
Speaker 3: He does. He knows what he's doing on his.
Speaker 1: Side of the ball. Secondly, this team was playing well Carolina,
Speaker 1: and I thought, I think they I think I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this. When you have somebody that's limited. Bonnix
Speaker 1: has some limitations, it makes it easier on Sean Payton.
Speaker 1: When you have Caleb and you have fewer limitations, it
Speaker 1: may take you several weeks to figure out. Okay, what
Speaker 1: am I comfortable with? What am I not comfortable with?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, who's Washington z OCI has had several players
Speaker 1: like Jaden Daniels, so they got symmetry in camp. But
Speaker 1: you're looking at Waldron, you know, you're looking at his career.
Speaker 1: He never had anything like Caleb. So it feels like
Speaker 1: it's just taken the Bears coordinator and staff. Okay, we're
Speaker 1: not going to do this. We're going to do this.
Speaker 1: But I thought I thought Caleb. I looked around to
Speaker 1: day and I'm like, okay, I mean one time he
Speaker 1: was running around. It was almost comical. It looked like
Speaker 1: a high school thing. They didn't get anything out of it.
Speaker 1: But if I was a Bears fan today and they
Speaker 1: only went seven, I feel like I have a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3: Yeah. To me, you see moments like today. If they
Speaker 3: can get him more consistent throwing the ball down the field,
Speaker 3: they're gonna be a lot more competitive because when you
Speaker 3: have a really good defense, you're gonna be in games.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just pulled out their schedule because I was thinking,
Speaker 3: like they haven't played any three teams in their division.
Speaker 3: They play them all late in the season. Yeah, the Vikings,
Speaker 3: the Packers.
Speaker 1: They don't play the Packers till week eleven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so you could argue an alliance. You could say, well,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a really tough stretch. But they also
Speaker 3: could benefit because think how much experience he gets to have,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of under his belt, you know, up
Speaker 3: to like Thanksgiving or whenever they start playing. They also
Speaker 3: play the Niners in there, Like if their offense can
Speaker 3: hit and he can be explosive down the field and
Speaker 3: they can run the ball like that, they could be
Speaker 3: a competitive, frisky team that competes in the wild card. Absolutely,
Speaker 3: they had no chance early on with him overthrowing and
Speaker 3: not having much confidence in their passing game. But if
Speaker 3: they can run the ball and he can add the
Speaker 3: explosive play element. Because their defense is when the dust settles,
Speaker 3: if they stay healthy, they're gonna be a top five
Speaker 3: ish defense in the NFL. And when you have a
Speaker 3: great defense. You see this with the Broncos. You see
Speaker 3: this obviously with the Bears. Like your quarterback doesn't have
Speaker 3: to have a great game like that's they could carry
Speaker 3: you and all of a sudden, it's you know ten
Speaker 3: ten in the fourth quarter. You just have to make
Speaker 3: a player or two. That's always The Niners got away
Speaker 3: with a lot of that over the year, especially with
Speaker 3: Jimmy Garoppolo. Well they were just being a thirteen to
Speaker 3: ten game, then one big run you win twenty ten.
Speaker 3: But when your defense like today with the Bengals and
Speaker 3: the Ravens, both those teams, I would imagine on Monday,
Speaker 3: we should never go to overtime when we score thirty
Speaker 3: eight points, Yeah, we should win the game by seventeen
Speaker 3: points when the clock keets doubles. That was a game.
Speaker 3: But there's no that was That was insane. But the
Speaker 3: Bears don't play like that. They can rush the pass
Speaker 3: or they're stout up front and they get their dbs
Speaker 3: are really good. I was texted with a coach who
Speaker 3: played them early in the season, an assistant coach. He's like,
Speaker 3: their defensive backs a good cause. So if you have
Speaker 3: good defensive backs in twenty twenty four, that's just that's
Speaker 3: the Broncos. They have really good defensive backs. Well, half
Speaker 3: the teams are obsessed with passing, and watch the Packers.
Speaker 3: What do they want to throw the ball? Obviously the
Speaker 3: Vikings want to throw the ball we know the Lions
Speaker 3: like throwing the ball. So if you can you know,
Speaker 3: defend the pass with DBS and you have a good
Speaker 3: pass rush, you're going to be a serious, serious problem.
Speaker 3: And to me, Caleb, you know, parties kind of was
Speaker 3: doing this today. That hero ball. Sometimes it's just a
Speaker 3: couple of steps, get rid of the ball and if
Speaker 3: nothing's there, just thrown out of bounce. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: not everything has to be Lamar can get away with it.
Speaker 3: But some of these guys that start doing the three sixties.
Speaker 3: I mean that used to be a Russell Wilson thing.
Speaker 3: And I think players, you know, on the offensive line
Speaker 3: have been like, just get rid of the ball, right,
Speaker 3: you know what what are we doing? Because every sweet
Speaker 3: play you hit, three or four of them screw up
Speaker 3: and you get sacked or you maybe throw a pick
Speaker 3: or so. I yeah, I think the Bears the Panthers
Speaker 3: kind of came back to earth today. Yeah, but part
Speaker 3: of that was the Bears defense. So I yeah, nice
Speaker 3: little win.
Speaker 1: No I. And what I really think is, I think
Speaker 1: they probably need another edge rusher in Chicago and they
Speaker 1: got to do a better. They have to get another
Speaker 1: running back beyond DeAndre Swift and shore up the old
Speaker 1: line a little bit. But I you know, thirty six
Speaker 1: to ten in this league, we have not had a
Speaker 1: ton of blowouts. Today was interesting because now you're starting
Speaker 1: to see some blowouts. Now you're starting to see some
Speaker 1: interesting stuff where teams are separating. But I thought, Chicago,
Speaker 1: this is five straight weeks. I thought his first game, Uh,
Speaker 1: he looked a little nervous. I thought, the second game
Speaker 1: he looked frenetic. I thought the third game he looked
Speaker 1: more under control. I thought last week, Okay, there it is.
Speaker 1: And I thought today I was like, if that's what
Speaker 1: he was just today with the parts he has Keenan
Speaker 1: Allen comes back, I'm like, oh, they'll win eight games,
Speaker 1: they'll be a there'll be it, they'll be out. They'll
Speaker 1: spoil somebody's season in December, no question.
Speaker 3: Well, I think I think all of these divisional matchups
Speaker 3: between the four teams in that in the NFC North
Speaker 3: are fantastic. If I tell you any mixture of those
Speaker 3: teams playing each other is on it that seems getting
Speaker 3: its own television right Bears, Packers, Packers, Lions, Lions, Minnesota.
Speaker 3: I mean that division's really really good. Obviously, all four
Speaker 3: of them are gonna make the playoffs, and if you're
Speaker 3: a betting man, you'd probably bet against the Bears. Uh,
Speaker 3: you know, of being maybe the odd man out, but
Speaker 3: who knows. I mean, they kind of control their own destiny.
Speaker 3: If all of a sudden they go three and three
Speaker 3: in those games, maybe get an upset on the road
Speaker 3: and win a couple at home. I don't think it's
Speaker 3: inconceivable they get around that nine number.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I want to talk. Packers beat the Rams
Speaker 1: twenty four to nineteen. It was pretty interesting because you
Speaker 1: kind of felt like the Rams, mcvah and Stafford were
Speaker 1: kind of just keeping them in the game. I do
Speaker 1: think the Rams these are the two youngest teams in
Speaker 1: the NFL. But if you start going up and down
Speaker 1: and you start looking at numbers, I worry. Sometimes there
Speaker 1: is some leakage with the Packers defense, although they are
Speaker 1: taking it away, and Jordan Love had a it wasn't
Speaker 1: a Will Levis moment because I don't think it was nerves.
Speaker 1: I think he thought, I don't want a safety here.
Speaker 3: He was desperate.
Speaker 1: He was desperate, So it's not he didn't see that guy.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I don't that doesn't happen. That
Speaker 1: kind of play doesn't happen, so take that out. But
Speaker 1: as I watched that game today and again, Stafford was
Speaker 1: fifty percent on third down, they had a time of
Speaker 1: possession advantage, they had three hundred and seventy yards two
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty six. And they're doing it without Pooka
Speaker 1: and they're doing it without Cooper Cup. And I am
Speaker 1: watching these older guys and Kirk Cousin's old, but he's winning.
Speaker 1: Aaron's old and he's not. And I looked at Stafford
Speaker 1: today and I'm watching all these guys run around and
Speaker 1: Lamar and Brock Purty and Kyler Murray, and it does
Speaker 1: limit what the Rams can do now no Cooper Cup
Speaker 1: and Pooka. But Cooper Cup now is injured regularly. That's
Speaker 1: like part of him, and so they need tackles, they
Speaker 1: need they need a number one corner. But as I
Speaker 1: watched that game, I think Green Bay feels like last
Speaker 1: week in the second half. In this week, between Reed
Speaker 1: and Craft and Jordan Love, they got some really nice
Speaker 1: offensive pieces. They have some and you know, not everybody's healthy.
Speaker 1: But it makes me think about this game today. Would
Speaker 1: you waste a top draft pick for the Rams to
Speaker 1: get the quarterback, or do you just give Stafford one
Speaker 1: more draft because they have a first of two thirds
Speaker 1: of four to three six's, they could get him more weapons.
Speaker 1: What would you do if you ran the Rams? Would
Speaker 1: you draft a quarterback? I mean, he's one of the
Speaker 1: last pocket dudes in this league.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, he's right at that number at thirty six,
Speaker 3: thirty seven years old. Yeah, he's a weathered individual, like
Speaker 3: he's taken a lot of hits. And you know the
Speaker 3: thing with the Cousins the pocket, even the Goths, it
Speaker 3: doesn't feel like they've taken the punishment, even of Rogers,
Speaker 3: because those guys scramble around more in a safe place
Speaker 3: and that's some of the most legendary plays. Or outside
Speaker 3: the pocket throwing the ball right, and Stafford feels much
Speaker 3: closer to Aaron's age than he does Kirk Cousins age.
Speaker 3: I would like this might just be the year. What
Speaker 3: they're doing, honestly, even just being competitive these last couple
Speaker 3: weeks against the Bears and the Packers was pretty impressive.
Speaker 3: But there's a four point swing, right if he takes
Speaker 3: a safety instead of the pick six as twenty four
Speaker 3: to fifteen at the end of the game. It's actually
Speaker 3: not as close as it feels. Yes, so it's kind
Speaker 3: of a freakish play there. I would again, I don't
Speaker 3: really love these quarterbacks, so it's like I'm watching Carson back. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't really see it. Quinn Ewers, I can't even watch.
Speaker 3: He's injured. Now. We'll see if he comes back this
Speaker 3: weekend's Oklahoma. That's back to back years of being an
Speaker 3: injured guy. This is in college. He hasn't been in
Speaker 3: the SEC that long. And hell, I don't even think
Speaker 3: he's played an SEC game yet because he got hurt
Speaker 3: before it even started. And I don't think got hurt.
Speaker 1: I don't think Schnor Sanders in LA with McVeigh. I
Speaker 1: think they could drive each other crazy. So I'm with you,
Speaker 1: cam Ward.
Speaker 3: I got to see McVeigh kind of liking that though,
Speaker 3: because he is. We'll find out over this next five
Speaker 3: weeks about Colorado, but so far, you got to tap
Speaker 3: your hat to Dion. I mean, they beat the crap
Speaker 3: out of UCF last week as a fourteen point hunderdog.
Speaker 3: He's looked pretty good. There's no disputing his You know,
Speaker 3: he's not super tall, but he's six two six. He
Speaker 3: was fine, big arm, can move really pretty accurate. I
Speaker 3: holds on the ball a little bit long, but I
Speaker 3: mean that's he's college quarterback.
Speaker 1: No, I think I think Shadure. Like when I watch
Speaker 1: Carson Beck, he looks thin. I think he reminds me
Speaker 1: of Arch Manning as a freshman. I'm like, dude, eat,
Speaker 1: you need fifteen pounds of muscle. Arch has put it on.
Speaker 1: You can see Arch. He's thicker. Those Texas quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: all they have weight room competitions. They're all big thit kids.
Speaker 1: Carson Becks does not drive the ball. Beck doesn't drive
Speaker 1: the ball. And they have an average OL line at
Speaker 1: Georgia this year, and he's limited. He doesn't have rock
Speaker 1: bowers and you can see it. He doesn't have his
Speaker 1: safety valve. So I think Shaudur is the greatest talent.
Speaker 1: Cam Ward's right behind him. He's fascinating. But let's be honest.
Speaker 1: The Rams they don't have the draft capital to move
Speaker 1: up and teams aren't moving back. You have to have
Speaker 1: a quarter who's gonna ge what do you have to
Speaker 1: give up to move to like the number one or
Speaker 1: two pick?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I would you entertain if you were
Speaker 3: drafting high enough. Just trading Stafford, Yeah, just trade him
Speaker 3: the Raiders or something, you know, just move, you know,
Speaker 3: if you had the opportunity to get a young quarterback,
Speaker 3: I think that's what you'd have to entertain doing. Obviously,
Speaker 3: in a perfect world, they would just be fully healthy
Speaker 3: and roll with Stafford. But we've have a couple of
Speaker 3: years now. It's like they had injuries last year. They're
Speaker 3: adding up again.
Speaker 1: Also, John he had really ugly moments today. He had
Speaker 1: a couple. He had a terrible pick. Last weekend he
Speaker 1: had a terrible You get you get at least one
Speaker 1: a weekend. You know. It's funny we look at Sam, but.
Speaker 3: I see if I was defending him, and I bet
Speaker 3: if he was sitting here, it's like, I don't have
Speaker 3: a choice. I can't what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 3: I mean, I have to force the issue to give us,
Speaker 3: you know, a snowballs chance, just to you know, to
Speaker 3: move the ball down the field. Yeah, if I don't
Speaker 3: let it rip and push. Now, I think people that
Speaker 3: are anti Stafford will say, well, he does that no
Speaker 3: matter what, right, right, So I think he's kind of
Speaker 3: in a tough spot. To me, it's more about the age.
Speaker 3: And I think historically you go back to Walsh, you
Speaker 3: go with Belichick's mindset to Brady of when he shored them.
Speaker 3: Now it blew up in his face. I think you
Speaker 3: can't go wrong shorting older, weathered guys that have been
Speaker 3: hit a lot. And he's how often, even when he's
Speaker 3: playing his best at the end of games, he kind
Speaker 3: of limping off the side of the field. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's that's like a go to move for his career,
Speaker 3: just because the punishment he's taken.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Jordan Love and again, I think he's really talented.
Speaker 1: And I again that picked six. He he just didn't
Speaker 1: want to say if he would have been at the
Speaker 1: twelve yard line or something, it wouldn't it would just
Speaker 1: be a mistake. It's the end zone. It's great. It's
Speaker 1: one of those classic highlights. It's it's very far of
Speaker 1: like I think his brain just turned off, you know,
Speaker 1: he just kind of yeah. So, but I thought today
Speaker 1: they didn't ask him to do much. And I thought,
Speaker 1: and I think this is why Matt Lafleur, I mean,
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty six, two hundred and twenty four yards
Speaker 1: he ran three times. I think because of the injury
Speaker 1: in Willis playing. I thought last week's first half he
Speaker 1: was overwhelmed. Second half he was better. And I thought
Speaker 1: in this game Green Bay came in and felt, listen,
Speaker 1: we're gonna win this game. We're just gonna slow play it.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried. But he's not off to a great start,
Speaker 1: are you at all? To me?
Speaker 3: He feels somewhere in the middle of not as terrible
Speaker 3: as he was when he started last season. But obviously
Speaker 3: he's not the guy that we saw at the end
Speaker 3: of the season that got the one hundred and seventy
Speaker 3: million dollars contract. He's kind of in no man's land
Speaker 3: right now. Still can make remarkable plays that I guess
Speaker 3: it wasn't a touchdown, but like the eighty yard ball God, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: as good as it gets, right. But also when it's
Speaker 3: in the air, because it's that player, you think that
Speaker 3: he just throw a pick in a triple coverage and
Speaker 3: he can get really loosey goosey with the ball just
Speaker 3: kind of flying all over the map. So it's like
Speaker 3: when I watch him by the end of the year,
Speaker 3: because he had sacked so many good games, you had
Speaker 3: a lot of trust him in him as a player,
Speaker 3: and by the time the playoffs came, he's like, this
Speaker 3: is one of the best players in the league. When
Speaker 3: I watched him. Right now, I don't trust him, Like
Speaker 3: when he drops back, I think anything could happen. And
Speaker 3: whether that's obviously he got injured, but remember even before
Speaker 3: he got injured in that Eagle game, he just I
Speaker 3: don't know if it's Russ. I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: trying to prove the money because whatever the way he
Speaker 3: was playing last year, there was a freeness to it,
Speaker 3: but there's also a control. He wasn't turning the ball over.
Speaker 3: You know, he puts a lot of balls into Harm's way,
Speaker 3: Colin's that's my thing. But he could make up for
Speaker 3: it because with that power arm and obviously they got
Speaker 3: I mean, they got some pieces that they're a team
Speaker 3: that if if their defense just played solid. I mean,
Speaker 3: Jacobs was running really well today. Obviously the wide receivers
Speaker 3: Tucker with the sweet long touchdown that they could be
Speaker 3: a problem. But they need him because the NFC, let's
Speaker 3: face is pretty wide open right now.
Speaker 1: Oh, Jason McIntyre, Tech five teams could probably win it.
Speaker 1: We were talking Friday. He goes, I can't believe you
Speaker 1: took Arizona, and I'm like they got humiliated. San Francisco
Speaker 1: Warner may not play. So you know, my take is
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Speaker 1: the Seahawks all day, even when it was ten to ten,
Speaker 1: and they go on to beat Seattle twenty nine to
Speaker 1: twenty blocking a kick up in the Pacific Northwest. So
Speaker 1: this was this is the one game I've lost so far.
Speaker 1: But as we do this, I thought Seattle No Moleague
Speaker 1: Neighbors Singletary was banged up. But I will tell you
Speaker 1: when you watch the Giants, they're old lines and d lines.
Speaker 1: They've committed to those in the draft and in acquisitions.
Speaker 1: I mean, Daniel Jones twenty three to thirty four, two touchdowns,
Speaker 1: two fifty seven. He rushed eleven times or carried eleven times.
Speaker 1: I thought that is as good as Dan And that's
Speaker 1: without malite neighbors John, Like, I watched that today and
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised by much. Bandy beating Bama. You know,
Speaker 1: USC losing, Yeah, yeah, USC losing the way they did
Speaker 1: the Giants that was twenty nine to twenty. It it
Speaker 1: felt like they were the better team. And you've got
Speaker 1: to give this team credit. They have an offensive coach
Speaker 1: on like the Jets. Their defensive line is excellent. When
Speaker 1: I watched the Giants, I think they're well coached. I
Speaker 1: think they're limited. But Daniel Jones, he moves, he's big,
Speaker 1: he's healthy. Now, what did you make of that win?
Speaker 1: It's something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's just acknowledge this. You remove week one
Speaker 3: when they played Minnesota and got embarrassed. Yes, Dan Jones
Speaker 3: been pretty good this season. He really has. He's made
Speaker 3: a lot of plays. I mean, he made a bunch
Speaker 3: of plays against Washington in the game when they didn't
Speaker 3: have a kicker. Yeah, and Malik Nabors. That's kind of
Speaker 3: got his start going. I didn't think he was that
Speaker 3: bad against the Cowboys. He underthrows some deep balls, but
Speaker 3: no one ever like he's not Josh Allen Mahomes. He's
Speaker 3: not a deep ball thrower, but he's not turning the
Speaker 3: ball over. There was one time I looked up and
Speaker 3: he would lowered his shoulder. Yes, So, I mean, I
Speaker 3: think he's playing just pretty solid. Now, you know, are
Speaker 3: they good enough? Like what does that mean? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean Seattle, think about played Monday night in Detroit.
Speaker 3: I don't know, what's that flight? Four and a half hours,
Speaker 3: you lose, you get back, kind of your classic come
Speaker 3: out the gates not playing that hard. New York off
Speaker 3: a long week because they had just played Thursday, looked
Speaker 3: like the fresher team.
Speaker 1: Yes, but New York is not.
Speaker 3: I don't know. They're more likely in my mind to
Speaker 3: win six or seven than nine or ten. But they
Speaker 3: are a tough, you know, operation to play right now.
Speaker 3: They are not some joke franchise. This is not, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know of the worst team in Miami. Patriot games.
Speaker 1: They remind me of Denver. They're squeezing every ounce out
Speaker 1: of their team, and that to me is coaching. I mean,
Speaker 1: I watched them today and I'm like, I thought, I'm
Speaker 1: like neighbors Singletary, how the hell do they move the
Speaker 1: ball now? Again? Seattle is dinged up on the d line.
Speaker 1: But when I'm watching Daniel Jones, it's one of those things,
Speaker 1: it's just the Hostetler. It's Phil Simms, it's Eli. Even
Speaker 1: when they have the right quarterback in New York, it's
Speaker 1: never dynamic and pretty. And I love Phil Simms and Eli,
Speaker 1: but there's a Hostetler quality to Daniel Jones. And years
Speaker 1: ago when I worked at the other place, I used
Speaker 1: to call them the accounting firm of the NFL. Even
Speaker 1: when they have a great earnings report, it's boring. They're
Speaker 1: a boring team. But I don't think you can deny.
Speaker 1: We have to be totally honest about this, Brian Dabole,
Speaker 1: and in New York it's just harder to coach. I mean,
Speaker 1: if he was going through what Doug Peterson's going through
Speaker 1: the last two months, he'd be done. He'd be out
Speaker 1: with a Trevor Lauren, he'd be fired. When I watch
Speaker 1: that offense again, I'm watching Sean Payton score thirty fourth
Speaker 1: day with bow Nicks, They're just squeezing every ounce. Then
Speaker 1: I watched Josh Allen have a terrible day. So I
Speaker 1: look at the Giants and I'm like, they have what
Speaker 1: kind of the Jets don't, which is a really good
Speaker 1: offensive coach. They get the most out of their talent.
Speaker 1: There's really no drama. The HBO series didn't help, but
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of drama around them. They're boring.
Speaker 1: I don't love Daniel Jones, but I will say this,
Speaker 1: he'd have a market because of what Brian Daboles done.
Speaker 3: He'd have a market. He's changed, I would say the narrative,
Speaker 3: which was not good at all coming into this season,
Speaker 3: and I think if you just throw on his tape,
Speaker 3: I mean, he's playing pretty solid, like he's an NFL starter.
Speaker 3: The version that we've seen after Week one, which I
Speaker 3: got news for you everyone that plays Minnesota looks pretty crappy. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: So you could argue that actually aged pretty well on
Speaker 3: his side. But I just the NFC East, you know,
Speaker 3: I was looking at Washington schedule. Obviously they get a
Speaker 3: resounding win today. They get the Ravens coming up, which
Speaker 3: is going to be difficult. Then they play the Panthers,
Speaker 3: the Bears at the Giants, so that division could get
Speaker 3: weird because they could just have a record, you know,
Speaker 3: be like six and three. Then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: if you just split a Cowboys or the Eagles and
Speaker 3: one of those teams, like they're already kind of fighting
Speaker 3: their way, you know, behind Washington right now, just because boom,
Speaker 3: what you know, they just start three and one, four
Speaker 3: and one, All of a sudden, you look up, they're
Speaker 3: five and two and the numbers are just kind of
Speaker 3: on your side. And then when I play you, if
Speaker 3: I already got a two game lead, you have no
Speaker 3: margin for air if I'm the Cowboys or the Eagles.
Speaker 3: And let's face it, like the Giants are not just
Speaker 3: some locke l to both those two teams, that's right.
Speaker 3: I mean, hell, they almost beat the Cowboys the other night.
Speaker 3: There's no telling. If they just play the Eagles on
Speaker 3: a random you know, Sunday or Monday night, they won't
Speaker 3: lose that game. That being Philly, like, they are not
Speaker 3: just some pushover joke four win team. Now, I don't
Speaker 3: think they're a playoff team by any means, but could
Speaker 3: they win seven eight, I mean, he did it a
Speaker 3: couple of years ago. To me, it's this, can Washington
Speaker 3: maintain this when they start playing better teams and New
Speaker 3: York like that. That's an impressive win to go on
Speaker 3: the road to Seattle. And like you said, the score
Speaker 3: was close. If you were watching the game, it wasn't
Speaker 3: feel that close. Seattle did not look good. That's by
Speaker 3: far when you say Seattle they looked off today.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the good news with Seattle. They really have
Speaker 1: all the pieces. All they need is a quarterback. I mean,
Speaker 1: they've got multiple receivers, two backs, capable tight ends, a
Speaker 1: left tackle, they've got their coach, their d Linzo was hurt, secondaries,
Speaker 1: nice linebackers, that move. That's a team that could give
Speaker 1: up four picks move because they're too talented. Not they're
Speaker 1: not gonna get a top twelve pick, but that's a team.
Speaker 1: I thought they should have done it last year. I
Speaker 1: argued last year was the year to go out and
Speaker 1: get Pennix.
Speaker 3: There are six of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like to me that that was my argument,
Speaker 1: go get a quarterback. But they had signed Geno like
Speaker 1: a Kirk Cousins deal. It's not prohibitive, it's not punitive
Speaker 1: and let Gino for a year play, let the kids
Speaker 1: sit behind him. But I think it's time for Seattle
Speaker 1: to make a big pitch. I think when you watch
Speaker 1: Geno today, you know, just he took a couple of
Speaker 1: bad sacks. He's pretty darned mobile. But I just I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody in Seattle. I thought Pete. When Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll said yeah, I can win with Gino and Drew Locke,
Speaker 1: It's like, that's a defensive coach. And I think when
Speaker 1: defensive coaches tend to lack a little urgency at quarterback.
Speaker 1: That's why I was so surprised that Tomlin moved off
Speaker 1: Kenny Picket so fast. It was like, you know, mcveahta
Speaker 1: had four starts and moved off him. So okay, let's
Speaker 1: there's a couple of different things to talk about here.
Speaker 1: I listen, we could talk about Ravens Bengals. I talk
Speaker 1: about so much Ravens football that I'll do that more
Speaker 1: on TV tomorrow. I do want to discuss this because
Speaker 1: Denver hammered the Raiders thirty four eighteen. They now have
Speaker 1: a better record than the Jets at three and two,
Speaker 1: with a rookie quarterback and as This was one of
Speaker 1: my takes this offseason. The best over bet was Denver
Speaker 1: because I think their roster's okay, not great, but they
Speaker 1: are generating a pass rush without a Pro Bowl guy
Speaker 1: up front. And I watched Bonicks had a touchdown pass
Speaker 1: drop today and this is the difference between defense.
Speaker 3: It was great. It was a great throat hit him
Speaker 3: stride is I.
Speaker 1: Watch Bonick now? Jaden Daniels is different. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm watching Lamar Jackson light That's what I feel like
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels. I don't know what b Nicks's comp is.
Speaker 1: And I was going to ask you about this as
Speaker 1: a former scout. I do think there's a ceiling. He
Speaker 1: is smaller, he doesn't have a big deep arm. It's
Speaker 1: a little Derek Carr. I think Derek Carr right now
Speaker 1: is a better deep arm than bo Nicks does. Do
Speaker 1: you have a comp for because clearly, I mean Sean
Speaker 1: is doing a Brian Dable. He's squeezing every ounce out
Speaker 1: of this roster. What is Bonick's ceiling? Who is he
Speaker 1: to you?
Speaker 3: I think before four quarterback inflation he fell under that
Speaker 3: Derek Carr, Jimmy Garoppolo. Historically he would have been a
Speaker 3: second round pick. Now he's a better athlete. And I'm
Speaker 3: talking to Jimmy when he was decent for the forty
Speaker 3: nine ers and Derek. You know, people love to bag
Speaker 3: on him. He's had some pretty good years, yes, you know,
Speaker 3: for a team that, let's face it, no one wins
Speaker 3: with in the Raiders. So and I actually kind of
Speaker 3: you know, the Saints. I think they're gonna have a
Speaker 3: good season, and he's he's been playing well this season.
Speaker 3: So I think he's under that mold. Now he's a
Speaker 3: better athlete than both those two guys. Yes, Derek. You know,
Speaker 3: when Derek was young, he had some pretty good pop
Speaker 3: in his arm. I always say he's got more arm
Speaker 3: strengthen Bo. But he'd never had a coach of Shawn's
Speaker 3: you know level.
Speaker 1: He's had a lot of defense years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that I think he can be
Speaker 3: a really good player if you build up the team.
Speaker 3: And one thing Sean Payton has done really the last
Speaker 3: couple of years of Drew Brees. When he brought in
Speaker 3: Dennis out, they became good on defense. Today, we know certain.
Speaker 3: I mean he's been a highly recruited guy since he
Speaker 3: was like fifteen years old. But they have other dbs
Speaker 3: flying all over the Yes, who are I didn't have
Speaker 3: the volume on a couple guys made plays. I had
Speaker 3: to look up their names, like who are these dbs?
Speaker 3: Because they are I get it. They're playing the Raiders
Speaker 3: and minschhew and O'Connell. But that was okay, you removed
Speaker 3: that brock Bowers play early in the game. Once they
Speaker 3: got to the second quarter, they took control and they
Speaker 3: came out of halftime and that was they curb stopped him.
Speaker 3: I mean they absolutely throttled them in the second half.
Speaker 1: And they're offensively. Mims looks like a good pick. Javonte
Speaker 1: Williams are running back. He can catch it and he
Speaker 1: can run it. I think I've always like Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 3: They like the Oregon wide receiver that dropped the ball Franklin.
Speaker 3: It's kind of the knock on him right as the hands,
Speaker 3: but he he's got speed and they played together in college.
Speaker 1: So I kind of look at Denver and.
Speaker 3: Are they a playoff team?
Speaker 1: I look at them like I look at Chicago. You
Speaker 1: watch their defense and you're like, okay, so I have
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl Trophy coach. Their defense is much better
Speaker 1: than people think it's faster than people think, like Chicago,
Speaker 1: and they have a rookie quarterback. The difference is the
Speaker 1: NFC North may be the best division at football probably is.
Speaker 1: Whereas the Raiders are a mess. The Chargers, you cross
Speaker 1: their fingers they get healthy. The Chiefs are vulnerable. Though
Speaker 1: they're on a heater, they're vulnerable. I in fact, I
Speaker 1: like the points in the Saints tomorrow. They're just not
Speaker 1: beating anybody. Denver is I mean, it's thirty four eighteen
Speaker 1: and they dropped the touchdown. I think their personnel, you know,
Speaker 1: I like this GM Patton. I didn't love the Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson move, but I'm in fairness, I liked it when
Speaker 1: they made it. I didn't know Russell was going to
Speaker 1: drop off the cliff. I kind of like Denver's players.
Speaker 3: Well, to me, when you look at the landscape of
Speaker 3: the AFC, right the Chiefs, the Texans, you know are
Speaker 3: gonna be there. Obviously, the Bills are gonna be there.
Speaker 3: Right now, the Chargers are the seventh seed, and just
Speaker 3: based on injuries, you just know they're gonna have so
Speaker 3: many it's gonna be hard to overcome. And if their
Speaker 3: quarterback's banged up, they just be screwed. But turns out
Speaker 3: Miami sucks. The Jets are I mean a complete wild
Speaker 3: card at any moment. I mean there's been multiple times
Speaker 3: this season when Rogers went down and you're like, is
Speaker 3: he gonna get back up? I mean that happened today
Speaker 3: when he got bent over. Yeah, is this season over?
Speaker 3: And even if his season he plays in all seventeen
Speaker 3: games that they are by no means no lock to
Speaker 3: win nine games. The Browns, a playoff team from last year,
Speaker 3: is an absolute train wreck right now. I mean has
Speaker 3: the worst quarterback situation slack vibes going on right now
Speaker 3: because of the negativity surrounding that situation. So I think
Speaker 3: you just look at the landscape of the AFC Cincinnati,
Speaker 3: who obviously is pretty good. I mean they got a
Speaker 3: pretty special offense, but you start playing a numbers game
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you two and five. How do
Speaker 3: you ever get back? You can't. You're not able to
Speaker 3: win enough games in a row when you have that
Speaker 3: big of a flaw as a defensive football team. That's
Speaker 3: what's crazy about the Ravens is like where did their
Speaker 3: defense go? But Cincinnati like that has like they're they're
Speaker 3: not good on defense, and it's hard. I don't care
Speaker 3: if you got Joe Burrow, Jamar Chason T. Higgins who
Speaker 3: all looks fantastic. If your defense is that bad, well,
Speaker 3: the Broncos are like, hey, we're gonna have some games
Speaker 3: when the when the kid throws for seventy five yards
Speaker 3: and you know what will when the fucking thing sixteen
Speaker 3: to thirteen. We got no problem to it. Like Cincinnati
Speaker 3: doesn't even have that capability. Harbaugh in theory would Yeah,
Speaker 3: but Joey Bosset is already sitting in a suite. You know,
Speaker 3: the injuries have kind of unraveled, and you know you
Speaker 3: got Herbert limping around. It's hard this team. Just the
Speaker 3: speed of Denver's defense. Oh no, they to do more
Speaker 3: of a deep dive on their defensive roster. I don't
Speaker 3: even know some of their players besides certain who is
Speaker 3: I mean, what does he look like right now? Like
Speaker 3: Charles Woodson meets Rod Woodson in this prime? Yeah? How
Speaker 3: good does he look?
Speaker 1: No? It is and I last year the Rams were
Speaker 1: my either better than you think. Team Denver this year
Speaker 1: was my Their roster is I mean they have a
Speaker 1: quarterback I like a super Bowl coach a more than
Speaker 1: capable left tackle. I like their wide receivers and I
Speaker 1: think Javonte Williams is the player. Their linebacking corps moves well.
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Speaker 1: So I want to give this some time. USC we
Speaker 1: usually do one big college football topic, and since I'm
Speaker 1: viewed as a USC homer, I might as well just
Speaker 1: embrace it.
Speaker 3: So they Loy Vanderbilt Alabama happened. It kind of overshadowed it.
Speaker 1: At Vanderbilt, by the way, is clever. A lot of
Speaker 1: misdirection they You know, listen, you come off the Georgia
Speaker 1: game and even though it's it's you can say, well,
Speaker 1: Nick gave you a he gave you a Mercedes.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 1: Nick lost to Louisiana Monroe with good players. I mean,
Speaker 1: Alabama didn't have to rebuild a roster. They had players.
Speaker 1: They had no coaches. So it happens. They had just listen.
Speaker 1: Vanderbilt fooled them. They weren't ready for it, and it
Speaker 1: got ugly fast. And now you're trailing, playing from behind.
Speaker 1: You have to call the game differently. It happens. But
Speaker 1: I was looking at USC and I was texting somebody
Speaker 1: this morning who covers them, And I said, the one
Speaker 1: thing that jumped out to me, Minnesota played like it
Speaker 1: was a Rose Bowl Minnesota. The stadium was full. PJ
Speaker 1: Flex say what you want, brings a ton of intensity.
Speaker 1: Those guys were jumping all over the place. Their running
Speaker 1: back was powerful. Us he's bad. Tackling is re emerged,
Speaker 1: which we thought it was done after the LSU game.
Speaker 1: It re emerged against Michigan. I saw it again this weekend.
Speaker 1: And now their offense is young. But when I watched
Speaker 1: the game plan, John not a lot of motion, not
Speaker 1: a lot of different sets from Lincoln Riley Miller. Moss
Speaker 1: has been in that program now three years. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is not a transfer. He knows the offense. Uh, They've
Speaker 1: got some Really, their offensive line is young and at
Speaker 1: right tackle is a problem. But I gotta tell you,
Speaker 1: I have defended Lincoln to the end, and I defended, uh,
Speaker 1: I've defended I defend most coaches, and I think we
Speaker 1: all know that Lincoln's good offensively. But that loss is
Speaker 1: not just a loss, John. It feels like one step
Speaker 1: forward to back. I don't know if you overcome that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're essentially now with their schedule, they're not
Speaker 1: making the playoff and La quits and.
Speaker 3: They're not a player. They're not a playoff team, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, we asked this. They got that first half
Speaker 3: last week. I would say against Wisconsin was a little alarming,
Speaker 3: was it not.
Speaker 1: They were a mistake prone mess.
Speaker 3: So to me, their wins, the Michigan win, which I
Speaker 3: thought was impressive because you're watching a live of the
Speaker 3: physicality that game is not all. Turns out Michigan doesn't
Speaker 3: know how to execute the forward pass right and just
Speaker 3: lost by ten against Washington, who I'm not sure is
Speaker 3: that good? Right? Right?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 3: And even LSU, which at the time felt like an
Speaker 3: impressive win because of the brand and because of the
Speaker 3: name recognition of their players, how many guys are can
Speaker 3: get drafted. LSU might turn out to be an eight
Speaker 3: win team. So it's like Ohio State and we'll see
Speaker 3: with Oregon obviously they play each other this week, but
Speaker 3: in terms of the talent on their roster in kind
Speaker 3: of a different level right now, and defensively, like they
Speaker 3: were gonna have to hang their hat on that, which
Speaker 3: looked like they could. It just turns out Michigan's offense
Speaker 3: is future right and Wisconsin obviously is not very good
Speaker 3: on offense either.
Speaker 1: Listen, USC, this is the one college roster I know
Speaker 1: pretty much, front and back. USC has two playable tackles
Speaker 1: on their team, and one's not good. So they have
Speaker 1: a red shirt freshman, Elijah Page left tackle. He's not good,
Speaker 1: but he is their future. His backup is a red
Speaker 1: shirt freshman who is six feet two. He's a center.
Speaker 1: They have no backup left tackle. You think it's bad now.
Speaker 1: Mason Murphy the right tackle. They have a kid behind him,
Speaker 1: Tobias Raymond. He's not ready to play. They've been telling
Speaker 1: they they've leaned into Mason Murphy for years. It's just
Speaker 1: too slow a foot, it's too many mistakes. He's a
Speaker 1: college kid, you know whatever, But you cannot be USC.
Speaker 1: I mean, you go to Oregon or Ohio State right now,
Speaker 1: and there's six tackles that are six six and above.
Speaker 1: There are six to seven four to five star tackles.
Speaker 1: One's a senior, couple of juniors. USC has two playable
Speaker 1: offensive tackles, a center backup left tackle, a kid that's
Speaker 1: not ready to play at right tackle in the NIL
Speaker 1: era with USC's brand, that's on Lincoln. That's the offense
Speaker 1: that's not good enough.
Speaker 3: I've always thought, you know, Stark, who now obviously has
Speaker 3: Texas rolling, and Ryan Day had this issue too. Once
Speaker 3: Urban left, they became so offensive centric and loved passing.
Speaker 3: That Ohio State most of my life has been a
Speaker 3: defensive first NFL guys at every single position, and then
Speaker 3: they kind of fell off a cliff because they were
Speaker 3: just passing and all their wide receivers and quarterbacks were
Speaker 3: so awesome. Well then they used nil to listen, maybe
Speaker 3: they're never going to practice like Jim Harbaugh in terms
Speaker 3: of running power for seventy minutes of a two hour practice.
Speaker 3: But you can just buy those guys. So what ohiose
Speaker 3: they do this offseason? They bought the kid from Bama
Speaker 3: like they start buying defensive players. Sark clearly, like listen,
Speaker 3: he's an offensive pass game guy, Like that's who he
Speaker 3: is at his court, which is fine, he's really good
Speaker 3: at it, but your defense in practice like that was
Speaker 3: always a downfall of Mike Leach. Now he could never
Speaker 3: recruit at the schools to their level. But you don't
Speaker 3: create a physicality in practice when you're just passing the
Speaker 3: ball all over the place. Jim Harbaugh's teams are not
Speaker 3: physical by accident. That's because the way they practice is
Speaker 3: a physical practice, you know, six months a year. So
Speaker 3: what does Texas do? They have unlimited money, like ouse
Speaker 3: they start opening the check book. Oregon, Now they've had
Speaker 3: defensive coaches and Mario's an offensive guy, but he's an
Speaker 3: oh line guy, and he thinks like that, They're just
Speaker 3: start paying people. And it's like if USC is gonna
Speaker 3: be on those guys levels Texas, Ohio State because they
Speaker 3: are going to be consistent powerhouses because they are opening
Speaker 3: enormous checks right now and paying a lot of money
Speaker 3: for players. And obviously Lincoln he is going to be
Speaker 3: able to figure out the offense over time. Yeah, like
Speaker 3: that is his baby, he knows that. But defensively, they're
Speaker 3: going to have to be cutting huge checks for defensive players. Listen,
Speaker 3: that's kind of the name of the game.
Speaker 1: Now, I mean they one of their linebackers is six
Speaker 1: to six Eric Gentry. He didn't play or if he did,
Speaker 1: not much, and their tackling was just exposed. But their
Speaker 1: linebackers aren't big, they're not intimidating.
Speaker 3: I mean, they have one.
Speaker 1: One guy, Anthony Lucas, that will get drafted defensively that
Speaker 1: would you know, I'm talking first two three rounds, probably
Speaker 1: gets drafted. They just don't have enough great players. They
Speaker 1: have a kid named the Kobe Lane' his name. He's
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. He's like six to five out of Arizona.
Speaker 1: He's a very very tough to defend. Deuce Robinson very
Speaker 1: tough to defend. They're like six five wide receivers. They're
Speaker 1: very good players. They're not great. They're not like the
Speaker 1: Ohio State kid or the Alabama receiver. But and they're nil.
Speaker 1: They have thirteen million dollars. This is not a poverty program.
Speaker 1: They've got real money here. Washington's got seven and a half.
Speaker 1: They've got thirteen in the nil. So when I look
Speaker 1: at their situation, they don't have an elite defensive tackle
Speaker 1: or an elite They have one good center on offensive line.
Speaker 1: If you counted all their d O linemen and you
Speaker 1: had twenty guys. You have Anthony Lucas on the defensive side,
Speaker 1: Monheim on the offensive line. They got two guys that
Speaker 1: are draftable.
Speaker 3: But here, you know, if you think about it, last
Speaker 3: year PAC twelve when you say had one of its
Speaker 3: best seasons of the last twenty years, and they won
Speaker 3: seven games, right, they won seven and five. And then
Speaker 3: you go into the Big Ten, which like the PAC
Speaker 3: twelve last year, just has on a given game, if
Speaker 3: you're on the road at Minnesota at Iowa, like you
Speaker 3: can lose, right Like last year with Lincoln, like you
Speaker 3: went on the road to Arizona, or I guess Arizona
Speaker 3: came to usc but you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 3: the program was deep and on any given week Beside
Speaker 3: in theory, you should never lose to a Vanderbilt, whoever's
Speaker 3: the bottom feeder. But the teams in the middle, and
Speaker 3: we can argue till we're blue in the face, what
Speaker 3: conference is deeper, the SEC or the Big Ten? I
Speaker 3: do know if any of those middle tiers six to
Speaker 3: eight win programs play well at home on a given week,
Speaker 3: they can beat most teams, especially now with the nil
Speaker 3: and transfer Portal era. It's all kind of watered down
Speaker 3: the day and age of like the two thousand and
Speaker 3: one Miami hell just like three years ago, Kirby smart
Speaker 3: team with twenty five NFL guys starting on his you
Speaker 3: know two deep, like those days are done. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: look at Georgia now, they look like a show of themselves.
Speaker 3: Those early saban Bama teams. He kind of loaded up
Speaker 3: the roster. It doesn't exist anymore. So it's much more
Speaker 3: water down. Which if you don't get it right in
Speaker 3: the nil, if you're not paying like the top guys
Speaker 3: are going to garner a lot of money, your talent
Speaker 3: is not going to be that much different. Because Minnesota
Speaker 3: can get a couple of transfers here and there, and
Speaker 3: all of a sudden it's like, ah, this teams not
Speaker 3: that good. Well, actually they got this guy from there
Speaker 3: and this other guy from there, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: you're down ten in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was the two lane loss, but
Speaker 1: that was an eleven win season. But the way they
Speaker 1: lost that was ugly, and this one is it's just
Speaker 1: not acceptable. You know, again, there was a little wind
Speaker 1: that can't keep your offense down to seventeen points against Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Bad bad loss.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this, I didn't sleep much because I
Speaker 3: stayed up late watching that Cow Miami game. Jesus and
Speaker 3: that place. You know, someone I grew up with my
Speaker 3: dad going to a Memorial Stadium and you know the
Speaker 3: difference to call in Stanford. Cow does have a pretty
Speaker 3: good fan base, and when they're good, that place will
Speaker 3: fill out. And it was rocking and they were kicking
Speaker 3: Miami's ass, and you go, this is Mario. He's not
Speaker 3: coming back to back, you know, winning this thing. And
Speaker 3: they pulled off one of the craziest comebacks you'll ever see.
Speaker 3: I mean, what an incredible win. And they're a good example.
Speaker 3: Like they got some money, they're buying some players well. Also,
Speaker 3: I'm like USC most well coached, but their talent deep.
Speaker 1: Also, Mario's teams were physical. You didn't love them situationally,
Speaker 1: but he was a big, strong guy. He's a UFC
Speaker 1: fan like Oregon was physical with Mario. Miami's physical and
Speaker 1: tough and cam Ward special and Miami's got the kind
Speaker 1: of nil money they'll just go by cam Ward. I
Speaker 1: was texting Ryan Risolo today, I said, I watched cam
Speaker 1: Ward do that for two or three years in Pullman,
Speaker 1: nobody watched him. So it's like when he went to Miami,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you guys don't have any idea what you're getting.
Speaker 1: You have no idea how good this cam Ward is.
Speaker 1: He just had no pros around him. So they're for real. Listen,
Speaker 1: it's hard to ask kids to go from Miami to
Speaker 1: col three thousand miles. A lot of these kids, I mean,
Speaker 1: when I was eighteen, had you been to had you
Speaker 1: been to the South?
Speaker 3: Like I didn't you know?
Speaker 1: These kids don't know.
Speaker 3: I was having some beers with a buddy last night.
Speaker 3: I'm like, do you understand what time these guys are
Speaker 3: going to get home? Do the math? They'd lose hours
Speaker 3: flying home if they get on the plane by one o'clock.
Speaker 3: I mean it's nine o'clock in the morning when these
Speaker 3: players are landing. It is pretty crazy some of these
Speaker 3: patch ups now because of the conference realignment, which also
Speaker 3: makes it fun, like that was a real, real fun
Speaker 3: game and Miami got very, very lucky. But also you're
Speaker 3: watching them, you see bamul loose. I think Georgia is
Speaker 3: a shell of themselves what they've been so to me,
Speaker 3: it's like, obviously text Ohio State are really good, but
Speaker 3: we've seen college football. It's got a little NCAA tournament
Speaker 3: feel to it. Like I think there are seven eight
Speaker 3: teams once we get to the top twelve that if
Speaker 3: Boise makes it, are you watching their running back? He
Speaker 3: looks like, I mean, the best player in the the
Speaker 3: guy used to having one of the most incredible seasons
Speaker 3: in like the history of college football, something you would
Speaker 3: have seen in like the eighties with like Barry Sanders.
Speaker 1: The way USC can't stop a powerful running back. Boise
Speaker 1: State would give USC fits.
Speaker 3: Oh, he'd have two hundred plus yours. They gave Oregon
Speaker 3: fits and who knows what if that's like the twelve
Speaker 3: to five game, Yeah, would you want to play Boise
Speaker 3: State as the five to twelve game?
Speaker 1: Nona.
Speaker 3: So it's like, I actually think that the playoff gonna
Speaker 3: have an NFL feel a little bit. With a little
Speaker 3: NCAA tournament, you're gonna have a couple Is Ohio State
Speaker 3: down ten in the going into the fourth quarter. It's
Speaker 3: football too, It's only one game. It's not a best
Speaker 3: of five series.
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