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Speaker 1: Well, if you like nostalgia, like the seventies and the eighties,

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Speaker 1: Sunday night. Our Week five reaction is presented by Uber

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Speaker 1: Eats get almost almost anything for game day. So I'm

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Speaker 1: I want to just start with the first game of

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Speaker 1: Aaron had the power to bring in Nat Hackett. I

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Speaker 1: don't think Robert Sala wanted to. So his GM put

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Speaker 1: Hackett's you know, reputation is what it is. We know

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Speaker 1: he's got an impulsive owner. Now Alan Lizard's had multiple

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Speaker 1: drops today. That's on Aaron. But Hassan Reddick, this defense

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Speaker 1: I do this all the time. Are you as a coach,

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Speaker 3: Solo? Well? I laughed, because only Colin Coward and Aaron

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Speaker 3: And this Aaron Rodgers thing. Last year, old guy got hurt,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they asked him to throw fifty four times and

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Speaker 3: Well, I understand the GM and the coach have to

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Speaker 3: so you're more likely to be where they just were

427
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Speaker 3: twelve to fifteen. So giving up that second round pick

428
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Speaker 3: or your two third round picks or whatever that's valuable,

429
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 3: you know, capital to move up. So I now that's

430
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 3: the problem though, So internally, these guys are fighting for

431
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 3: their lives, yeah, because they can just see getting fired

432
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 3: coming right down, you know, the railroad tracks at him.

433
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 3: So maybe they're like, screw it, take the pick, Mark,

434
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 3: And if I'm the Raiders and I could get the

435
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 3: Jets pick, that's that seems pretty crazy to me. And

436
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 3: I also think if you're DeVante Adams, you know you

437
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 3: go with Aaron, It's like, is he gonna retire after

438
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 3: this year. It just it feels this is the problem

439
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 3: about how much limited equity the franchise had together that

440
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 3: once you go through a little adversity, like the Niners

441
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: right now are in shambles. Yeah, but at the end

442
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 3: of the day, Fred George Kittle, Trent Willings, all you

443
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 3: guys have played together for so long, and the Patriots

444
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,959
Speaker 3: or the Chiefs when they go through bumpy roads, like

445
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 3: sometimes it's like, hey, guys, we've been doing this for

446
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 3: a while. Everyone with the Jessic I just got here,

447
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 3: you just got here. We've played four games with Aaron total.

448
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 3: It's just it's it feels like a ticking time bomb

449
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 3: because of this situation hanging over the head with the

450
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 3: with the executive and the coach, and then Aaron's ah,

451
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 3: and he's just kinda I don't want to say he's poudy,

452
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 3: but he's just his body language is not grey right now.

453
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Viking fans, I know you're upset with us

454
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 1: because we're talking about the New York Jets, but they're

455
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: in crisis. The Vikings now are undefeated. They had a

456
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: pretty bumpy second half. Sam Darnold did have one of

457
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: his kind of classic reckless interceptions. But I will say this,

458
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: he mostly managed the game even good. I mean, Kansas

459
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: City's had multiple bad halfs and Mahomes has had multiple

460
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: horrible picks. Today, Stafford had another one, Aaron had several,

461
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: so Donald is allowed to have some. You know, he

462
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 1: throws the ball down the field. Sam has receivers that

463
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 1: can make plays. I thought overall, Minnesota really really controlled

464
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Speaker 1: the game in the first half, got into Aaron's head,

465
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: and then it was just holding on. I kind of

466
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: feel like that way with the New York Giants, even

467
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Speaker 1: though we thought the game was in doubt, I feel

468
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 1: like it was the Giants' day. Their own line was

469
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: just controlling Seattle's injury plague d line. So Minnesota's undefeated.

470
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Speaker 1: I don't take anything negative. You're not going to run

471
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Speaker 1: through this league. I mean, good God, Bama got beat

472
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: by Vandy. You're not going to run through this league

473
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Speaker 1: and not have really bad halfs. So I don't have

474
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Speaker 1: any take on Minnesota. They won.

475
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 3: That's an impressive wins to me. You're not going to

476
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 3: beat everyone going up twenty eight nothing in the first quarter, right,

477
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 3: That wasn't a sustainable model, So to me, to win

478
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 3: a game like this where you did have the lead

479
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 3: the whole time, but they were kind of coming back

480
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 3: and your defense hold serve and like you said, Sam,

481
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 3: like he didn't crumble today would have been a moment

482
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 3: yep in previous years where maybe he fumbles and throws

483
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Speaker 3: two other picks and it's just you know, the Jets

484
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 3: win because they get handed to victory by Sam Darland,

485
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 3: and that did not happen today.

486
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Speaker 1: All right, Let's go to San Francisco Arizona. That was

487
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Speaker 1: one of my blazing five picks. I like this seven

488
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: and a half. Arizona I think should have won by more,

489
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: but they had that field goal blocked and San Francisco

490
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: took it. In Arizona beats the Niners twenty four to

491
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: twenty three. San Francisco once again without Christian McCaffrey. Kyle

492
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: shannan has losing record. Now, Mason Jordan's a good running back,

493
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: but McCaffrey gives you so much more than that. So

494
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: I had said one of the things, I believe, I

495
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: think Washington's for real. And when they housed Arizona, people sold,

496
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: but Jesus Arizona, Murray Harrison and Wilson McBride the tight end.

497
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: Connor's a freaking beast at running back. He is, He's

498
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: a good player. This offense. I don't know if they're

499
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: a playoff team. I don't know if they're brilliantly coached,

500
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: but they're gonna beat teams. They just have too many players.

501
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray after the interception of Bosa standing still in

502
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: freezing would drive me insane if I was a head coach.

503
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: But let's let's it's a huge win for them. Let's

504
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: talk San Francisco. I thought their offense. I mean, if

505
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: you looked at the box gol I did right before

506
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: I came on, I mean, it was even if you

507
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 1: didn't watch the game, you'd say, oh, it's a great game,

508
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty three, but it did feel like

509
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: it was a game in which San Francisco had in

510
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: the bag and let's slip away.

511
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were one and six in the red zone.

512
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: I mean, they're just not scoring enough points. And I

513
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 3: don't know if that's you can put it all on

514
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey. Obviously he's a loss.

515
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: It's a part of it.

516
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: You got, you got Brandon Aiyuki, got George Kittle, you

517
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 3: got Deebo, Samuel Juwan Jennings, you got Mason. Like to me,

518
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 3: there are no excuses to not You're up twenty three

519
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 3: to ten and a half. And I understand you lose

520
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 3: your kicker early in the game, but I don't give

521
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 3: a shit You're you're not playing. This is not the

522
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: seven Patriots here, Like you said, they've always Kyler's always

523
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: given the Niners fits. You know, he basically opened the

524
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: game up with a fifty yard run. They do a

525
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: lot of that zone read stuff. It throws the Niners

526
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,959
Speaker 3: d lineman off because they are so quick to get

527
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 3: upfield and all of a sudden, the crease. The Niners

528
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 3: defense has not been the same.

529
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: It's not.

530
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 3: Today was a total team loss offense and defense. Purdies

531
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: I thought was pretty hit or miss, even the final pick,

532
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 3: which is not all his fault. He's hit, but Tom

533
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: Brady's like George Kittle's wide open. We don't have time

534
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: to be patting the ball. You gotta get rid of it.

535
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 3: I don't care what your You have to make these

536
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 3: quick decisions. And that's what they lean on him to do,

537
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 3: to be really smart. And I thought, it's like you're

538
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 3: holding the ball for a guy that's covered down the

539
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: field when you got eighty five wide open. But defensively,

540
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: Greenlaw got hurt in that Super Bowl and they are

541
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: just not the same as a run defense. You can

542
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 3: run on them the physicality. They still hit hard, but

543
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: usually it's guy six seven yards down the field right,

544
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: and if Boston the d line doesn't sack the quarterback

545
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 3: basically wants to drive, which is hard for them when

546
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 3: they're playing a guy like Kyler Murray who can scramble around.

547
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: They just look like, I don't want to say, a

548
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 3: shell of themselves, but they are a watered down version

549
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: of the defense we've seen for the last three years.

550
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 3: And that's with Fred Warner playing at a really high level.

551
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 3: But I think you feel green Laws miss and let's

552
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 3: face it, just over time, like this dynasty not a dynasty,

553
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: excuse me, that's that's Chiefs. This run of the Shanahan

554
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 3: era is like there's a lot of film on these guys, now, yeah,

555
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: you know, so it's it gets more difficult. People know

556
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: what party likes to do, what Kyle likes to do.

557
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 3: And defensively, they've had a lot of It's not like

558
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 3: they have a spags right or a Flores. I mean,

559
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: they just elevated this guy who's been a lifetime position

560
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: coach that I'm safe to say no one else was

561
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: ringing down the doorbell to hire. Well.

562
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: I mean, look at Seattle's legion of boom defense. You

563
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: get about a three year run on new stuff and

564
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: then and then you know, the legion of boom. All

565
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: of a sudden, somebody's a free agent.

566
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: They leave.

567
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: You can't afford them. All of a sudden. The league's

568
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: got two and three years of tape. You know Miami's offense,

569
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: Remember for about seven games, eight games, nobody can follw

570
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: that motion. Then people it's dot college football, where you know,

571
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: sometimes a coach can't literally can't over the course of

572
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: a game, the coordinators can't solve the riddle. NFL team

573
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: solve the riddle at half. It's just better coaching. So

574
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: I look at I think that's a great point by you,

575
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: and I also I also think, you know, there are

576
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: certain guys I can't quit. I'll get to Lamar later.

577
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: I think he's just a remarkable player. Kyler Murray, you

578
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: have to make decisions in this league. You would hope

579
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: you'd never have to make it with a quarterback maturity commitment.

580
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: But John, you look around this league, there are not

581
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: a lot of Kyler Murray's. Let's say he's Let's say

582
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: he is, and I think he throws a better ball

583
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: than Lamar, but I think he's about eighty percent of

584
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson in terms of elusiveness, movement, playmaking. He brings

585
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: the same headache to a decordinator. You're never quite sure.

586
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't cheat. That's why Connor, you can't

587
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: cheat on him. And that's I've said this about it

588
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: is people hung around with Jay Cutler, who didn't have

589
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's ability for a long time because of the

590
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,239
Speaker 1: arm strength. Where are you on Kyler Murray? I mean

591
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: they're stuck with a contract. I mean him not moving

592
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: on the Bosa pick, just staring at it is like bad,

593
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: Like that's really bad. In the film room, I.

594
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 3: Think one fatal flaw And I would say the biggest

595
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: difference between Lamar and Kyler is Kyler cannot see sitting

596
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 3: in the pocket and Lamar can he and he did

597
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 3: it today. He can pick you apart in the pocket

598
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: when he's on and Kyler one of his biggest throws

599
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: the day on a fourth down to Marvin Harrison. He

600
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 3: can do the Lamar Michael Jackson backpedal right and get

601
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 3: away from pressure. Because he's such an elite athlete, he's

602
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: got such a great arm. But you have to get

603
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: him on the movie. To me, he's a little bit

604
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: of a tease like he is fair. He's an excellent talent.

605
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 3: Do I think you can build a sustainable winning team

606
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 3: with him? I'm not sure you can't.

607
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: I think you're right.

608
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 3: I think he's I think he's a tough guy to

609
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 3: win with over the course of a season, But on

610
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: an individual game basis, like you said, no defensive coordinator

611
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: feels great getting on the bus headed to the stadium.

612
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 1: Nope, I think that's the best way when I watch him.

613
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: First of all, he's gonna get dinged up over the

614
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: course of a season. He runs a lot, and he's small.

615
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: And the second thing is he he's he's sort of

616
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: a moody player. There's times when he's really engaged, and

617
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: there's times when he feels a little like Aaron Rodgers.

618
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: After Aaron had that second pick, he started he was

619
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: kind of too casual with some of his deliveries, like

620
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: he was pissed off, and he was telling Hackett to go,

621
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: go go, and he's Iroll and Lazard and Alan. It's

622
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: not that Aaron's not playing hard, but you can see

623
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: his emotions. You know, Brady would pump his fist after

624
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: a touchdown or he'd yell briefly on the sidelines, but

625
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: he was fairly robotic emotionally.

626
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: In a game.

627
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: Aaron and Kyler Murray, I can I can tell I

628
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: could just tune the game in and go. They're leading,

629
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: their trailing, they just threw a pick. And I think

630
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: Kyler's hard to coach, even though I think he's brilliant.

631
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: I think he keeps everybody on eggshells. I've been told

632
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: this by a former teammate, an executive, and a coach

633
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: that Cliff Kingsbury there were times he wanted to go

634
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: to Colt McCoy like it.

635
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: Drove him nuts. I think it's weird, right. I respect

636
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 3: his god given abilities, which he's got to be on

637
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: the short list of some of the greatest athletes that

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Speaker 3: have ever played the sport. I mean, you're talking like

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Speaker 3: Bo Jackson Deon Sanders, especially when you factor in the

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Speaker 3: guy was a top ten draft pick in baseball, but

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Speaker 3: also his main downfall as a player, beside the intangible stuff,

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Speaker 3: that height is something pretty hard to overcome. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: in a game when I can core value or you're

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Speaker 3: just not running it at well, which he was today,

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Speaker 3: I don't trust him to be able to do what

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Speaker 3: Lamar consistently does because I think there's a big difference

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Speaker 3: in whatever Lamar is sixty three. I mean that's you know,

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Speaker 3: almost a five inch gap between the If you told

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Speaker 3: me Kyler Murray was Lamar's height, I don't. I still

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Speaker 3: think that what Lamar's intangibles are pretty special.

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Speaker 1: And Lamar is also there is no question he is

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Speaker 1: completely committed to his sport.

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Speaker 3: No one's ever exactly. So the intangible stuff, which is

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Speaker 3: a make or break thing, would still drive people nuts

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Speaker 3: with Cayler, but I do think he would. Then you

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Speaker 3: could make the argument you could build a sustainable winner

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Speaker 3: with him because he can't throw like it's not because

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Speaker 3: of lack of armstrang. I just legitimately think he can't see.

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Speaker 3: How could you? Yeah, it's just it's just basic math, right.

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Speaker 3: The guy standing in front of him six five, he's

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Speaker 3: five nine. That's why he runs around and he god

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Speaker 3: he's a fun player to watch.

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Speaker 1: Though, it's time for this week's player I thought might

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Speaker 1: give almost almost anything to redo his game, brought to

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Speaker 1: three picks, including two in the first quarter, first time

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Speaker 1: Rogers ever had two picks in the opening quarter of

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Speaker 3: Of the NFL. Order.

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Speaker 1: Now, all right, let's segue to Houston beats Buffalo twenty

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Speaker 1: three to twenty and I want to talk specifically the

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Speaker 1: bill second straight loss about some game management. So, for

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Speaker 1: those who didn't watch, the game was tied twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: There was forty seconds left. The Bills were deep in

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Speaker 1: their own territory at the three yard line. Houston had

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Speaker 1: all their timeouts. So what you'd want to do is

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Speaker 1: run the ball in the line, run it into the line,

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Speaker 1: run in the line, force the Texans to use all

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Speaker 1: their timeouts, punt it away, and they'd have, you know,

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Speaker 1: sixteen seconds. Instead, the Bills through the ball three times,

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Speaker 1: givvy Houston just enough time to get it and kick

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Speaker 1: a field goal and win. So this stuff was and

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Speaker 1: I don't like to crush coaches. John on game management,

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid took heat for years. I don't know your injuries,

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Speaker 1: I don't know your game plan. But there are things

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Speaker 1: I think that it's fair to criticize coaching. I think

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Speaker 1: there's I mean, like, listen the Cowboys. Seventeen seconds they're

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Speaker 1: running a quarterback draw. It's like, that's not the play,

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Speaker 1: especially when you watch Kirk Cousins in Atlanta meticulously line

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Speaker 1: up this past Thursday to win, like that's how a

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Speaker 1: veteran team does it, and a veteran quarterback. But I

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Speaker 1: watched that game management by the Bills as they lose

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Speaker 1: to the Texans, and there's no I mean, it's Buffalo's fine.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a good organization. They're going to

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Speaker 1: win this division. I mean New England's awful, the Jets

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Speaker 1: aren't very good, and Miami's quarterback play is you know, suboptimal.

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Speaker 1: But I was sitting there thinking, and I like McDermott,

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Speaker 1: but I'm sitting there thinking that one's on MCDNERHM and

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen won't say it, but do you believe against

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Speaker 1: the John Harbaugh A Jim Harbaugh a Demiico Ryans and

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid in maybe a year of Sean Payton. Do

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Speaker 1: you trust Sean McDermott.

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Speaker 3: Well, I picked this team to, you know, compete for

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. I liked him more than most people

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Speaker 3: that thought they were going to take a step back.

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Speaker 3: And that was pretty embarrassing because C. J. Stroud had

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Speaker 3: a pick and a fumble in the fourth quarter. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they were trying to give you the game. And in

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Speaker 3: that situation, at this point in time, how can you like,

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Speaker 3: I can't trust the Bills. And I've been one of

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen's biggest fans, but it's hard to say he's

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Speaker 3: you know, based on today, you couldn't say he's better

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Speaker 3: than Lamar. That's what I mean. It was one of

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Speaker 3: the worst games I've ever seen him play. He was

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Speaker 3: atrocious today. So part of it to me, and this

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Speaker 3: is always the pushback from the anti analytical number people

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Speaker 3: of like are we sure in this situation? Like I

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Speaker 3: get the overall picture, but it's like you're pinned your

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Speaker 3: quarterback I think at the time was like nine for

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Speaker 3: twenty seven, yeah, which again I don't remember him playing

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Speaker 3: such a bad game, and to throw it three times

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Speaker 3: when your quarterback's playing poorly. To me, if he's rolling

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Speaker 3: and that's the pushback, I think the Zach Taylor's gonna

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Speaker 3: get It's like your guy is humming. So you had

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Speaker 3: your decisions have to be dictated off what's going on

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Speaker 3: in the game.

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning has talked about this with analytics before. He said,

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Speaker 1: there are times to go for two, but if you're

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Speaker 1: squeezing out two yards run and they have a pass rush,

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Speaker 1: it can't just be well, the numbers say, it's like,

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Speaker 1: what's happening in the game. Josh wasn't playing well in

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Speaker 1: the game on the road.

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Speaker 3: I just I can't believe they didn't just run the

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Speaker 3: ball three times. It basically burned off what like twelve seconds.

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Speaker 3: And even for the Houston Texas, like it was still

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Speaker 3: pretty tight, they only got a fifty nine yard field

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Speaker 3: goal off. It's not like, well, they ended up kicking

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Speaker 3: a twenty yard chip shot. So it's that loss. Given

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Speaker 3: that CJ threw the pick and had the fumble down

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Speaker 3: the stretch. After you had again back to back weeks

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Speaker 3: started really slow, looked terrible. I mean it looked at

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Speaker 3: one point in time if if Houston was gonna play, well,

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Speaker 3: they're gonna lose forty to ten in this.

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Speaker 1: Game, Okay, so they try to trick play. Was it

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Speaker 1: last week or Joe? Okay, it was the Ravens and

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Speaker 1: McDermott clearly didn't call it. He said, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna have to talk to our guys about daddy Joe Brady.

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Speaker 1: So my question is is this Brady or McDermott. I

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Speaker 1: would guess it's I would guess it's Brady.

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Speaker 3: Well to me, though, Colin, he's the head coach, so

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Speaker 3: at any moment he can tell him, yeah, he's not

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Speaker 3: calling the place. And I would guess, like a lot

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Speaker 3: of defensive coaches, he doesn't know the details of every

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Speaker 3: single play in the offensive playbook, but he easily can

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Speaker 3: get on the headset and go, Joe run the ball here. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And unless Joe wants to be a malcontent and get

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Speaker 3: fired the next day, he said, yes, coach, it works.

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Speaker 3: And I think that is a mistake that clearly he

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Speaker 3: didn't say it, and he let his offensive coordinator, who

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Speaker 3: I think's done a pretty good job. Yes, he's taken over.

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Speaker 3: Not really debatable. That is one that's an embarrassing moment

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Speaker 3: when your quarterback's playing like he was playing, and your

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Speaker 3: offense was playing like it was playing. They were running

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Speaker 3: the ball. Well, maybe who knows, Maybe you bust like

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Speaker 3: a fifteen to twenty yard run and then maybe you

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Speaker 3: take a shot. But you got to take a deep breath.

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Speaker 3: You've got to force him to take timeouts. And again

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Speaker 3: they kicked me fifty nine yard field goal, so the

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Speaker 3: time would not have been on their side. You would

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Speaker 3: have been overtime. Now there's no guarantee you go to overtime. Shit,

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Speaker 3: anything could happen, but that is a it's hard for

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Speaker 3: me to take the bills. I was high on him

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Speaker 3: after three weeks, but these last two weeks, especially today,

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Speaker 3: it's like, well.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it's the drip, drip, drip. There's

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Speaker 1: the Texas had.

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Speaker 3: A bunch of injuries today too. It's like it's not

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Speaker 3: like they were fully strength.

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Speaker 1: No, it's just one of those things where when you

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Speaker 1: see things that build up over time. It's the bad

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Speaker 1: call against the Ravens, though I don't think their defense

784
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Speaker 1: was stopping him anyway. But you do these standalone games,

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00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna be judged more harshly so that today it

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Speaker 1: was not a standalone game. So you have to be

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Speaker 1: egregiously outrageously wrong for us to talk about it and

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Speaker 1: people to talk about it. But I I can't remember

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Speaker 1: the last time I watched a head coach in the

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Speaker 1: NFL not just make an It wasn't a mistake, it

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Speaker 1: was a belief. It was a now we're gonna do it, first,

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Speaker 1: on second, on third, It's like, Sean, what are we

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Speaker 1: doing here?

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Speaker 3: What are we doing here?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: I think the thing if you're a Bills fan, which

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00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: would be hard to sleep, is like our organization is

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Speaker 3: so well run. We do a really really good job

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Speaker 3: of like character guys, talented guys. We got rid of digs.

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Speaker 3: We looked like we drafted well. Key On Coleman had

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Speaker 3: a big time, like we know what we're doing, like

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Speaker 3: we But what has been their downfall over the last

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Speaker 3: couple of years? Specific coaching things, specific coaching things like

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Speaker 3: that's really been the difference of them who knows, you know,

805
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: super bowls of coin flip game usually, but like being

806
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Speaker 3: in a Super Bowl and getting run in the second

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Speaker 3: round up whatever with thirteen seconds left, like that's kind

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Speaker 3: of been there. You watch today. It's not like we

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Speaker 3: just didn't have enough talent, or we're not we don't

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Speaker 3: have enough good players. No, it's like specific coaching things

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Speaker 3: now has been the Bill's downfall. And in this sport,

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Speaker 3: this isn't baseball where you can blame the GMS because

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Speaker 3: they were setting the lineup. This isn't basketball where the

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Speaker 3: star player can do whatever he wants, like in football,

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Speaker 3: the head coach. There's a reason they get so much

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Speaker 3: money and so much praise because they do control so much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and adding to that, the Bill's inability to win trophies,

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Speaker 1: even though they've been to several Super Bowls. It just mounts,

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Speaker 1: It just adds. It adds an enormous amount of weight

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Speaker 1: on the franchise that you get, you're gonna get. For

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Speaker 1: as much as Josh Allen takes a beating, you probably

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Speaker 1: have four more premier years and then four more good years.

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Speaker 1: He won't age like Cam because I think he I

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Speaker 1: think mechanically, I think he's more coachable. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: does mechanically get off the reservation, but he gets pulled

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Speaker 1: back in. He's clearly a coachable kid. He's he's into

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Speaker 1: the right stuff. But you probably only have four great

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Speaker 1: years left of just like and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: it's like Travis Kelsey says, then you're on your fourth surgery.

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Speaker 1: You know, your second ankle surgery, your third shoulder surgery.

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Speaker 3: So but even today, there was a moment late in

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Speaker 3: that game, Oh yeah, he got hurt where he had

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Speaker 3: to go to the tent in Trubisky and they basically

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Speaker 3: wasted to play on a run ye know where I'm

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Speaker 3: sure that they would have passed it with him because

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Speaker 3: they were in the red zone. And he takes a

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Speaker 3: lot of shots. Now, he is physically like he's like

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Speaker 3: a Lebron Giannis type of the NFL. Right, there are

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Speaker 3: many back to Cam, back to Roethlisberger, but look at

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Speaker 3: those guys, and I do think Josh is a pretty

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Speaker 3: special player. Today was pretty bad. Yes, they're not going

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Speaker 3: to win with their quarterback going nine to thirty. They

843
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: got no chance against the Texans or just a random

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Speaker 3: NFL team.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk Chicago Bears thirty six, Carolina Panthers ten.

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Speaker 1: It's an early window game. So Caleb Williams again every week,

847
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: looks a little more secure. Twenty to twenty nine, three

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Speaker 1: hundred yards a couple of tds. They jumped out to

849
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: a twenty seven to seven lead. Swift had a couple

850
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: of really nice runs. The run game was okay, but

851
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: Swift does give you he gives you pop. He'll hit

852
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: on a couple of big runs, and so you have

853
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: to be honest. DJ Moore again Clivenge game, revenge game.

854
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: And my take watching Caleb is and I said this

855
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: before the season. I said, I don't know if they'll

856
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: win more than seven games, which is what Justin Fields won,

857
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: because I do believe Minnesota, Detroit and Green Bay the

858
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: division's better young team's all good. But I said, you'll

859
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: feel better about the seven wins. And I think today

860
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: because Carolina was playing pretty damn good football. Two things today.

861
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: Once again, we have to give Matt Eberfluse credit.

862
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: He does. He knows what he's doing on his.

863
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: Side of the ball. Secondly, this team was playing well Carolina,

864
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: and I thought, I think they I think I was

865
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: thinking about this. When you have somebody that's limited. Bonnix

866
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: has some limitations, it makes it easier on Sean Payton.

867
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: When you have Caleb and you have fewer limitations, it

868
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: may take you several weeks to figure out. Okay, what

869
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: am I comfortable with? What am I not comfortable with?

870
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: Now?

871
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, who's Washington z OCI has had several players

872
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: like Jaden Daniels, so they got symmetry in camp. But

873
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: you're looking at Waldron, you know, you're looking at his career.

874
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: He never had anything like Caleb. So it feels like

875
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: it's just taken the Bears coordinator and staff. Okay, we're

876
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: not going to do this. We're going to do this.

877
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: But I thought I thought Caleb. I looked around to

878
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: day and I'm like, okay, I mean one time he

879
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: was running around. It was almost comical. It looked like

880
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: a high school thing. They didn't get anything out of it.

881
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: But if I was a Bears fan today and they

882
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: only went seven, I feel like I have a franchise quarterback.

883
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. To me, you see moments like today. If they

884
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: can get him more consistent throwing the ball down the field,

885
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: they're gonna be a lot more competitive because when you

886
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 3: have a really good defense, you're gonna be in games.

887
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

888
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 3: I just pulled out their schedule because I was thinking,

889
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 3: like they haven't played any three teams in their division.

890
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 3: They play them all late in the season. Yeah, the Vikings,

891
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 3: the Packers.

892
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: They don't play the Packers till week eleven.

893
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so you could argue an alliance. You could say, well,

894
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a really tough stretch. But they also

895
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 3: could benefit because think how much experience he gets to have,

896
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: you know, kind of under his belt, you know, up

897
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 3: to like Thanksgiving or whenever they start playing. They also

898
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 3: play the Niners in there, Like if their offense can

899
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 3: hit and he can be explosive down the field and

900
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: they can run the ball like that, they could be

901
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 3: a competitive, frisky team that competes in the wild card. Absolutely,

902
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: they had no chance early on with him overthrowing and

903
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: not having much confidence in their passing game. But if

904
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: they can run the ball and he can add the

905
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: explosive play element. Because their defense is when the dust settles,

906
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 3: if they stay healthy, they're gonna be a top five

907
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 3: ish defense in the NFL. And when you have a

908
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 3: great defense. You see this with the Broncos. You see

909
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 3: this obviously with the Bears. Like your quarterback doesn't have

910
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: to have a great game like that's they could carry

911
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: you and all of a sudden, it's you know ten

912
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 3: ten in the fourth quarter. You just have to make

913
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 3: a player or two. That's always The Niners got away

914
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 3: with a lot of that over the year, especially with

915
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 3: Jimmy Garoppolo. Well they were just being a thirteen to

916
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 3: ten game, then one big run you win twenty ten.

917
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 3: But when your defense like today with the Bengals and

918
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 3: the Ravens, both those teams, I would imagine on Monday,

919
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: we should never go to overtime when we score thirty

920
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 3: eight points, Yeah, we should win the game by seventeen

921
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 3: points when the clock keets doubles. That was a game.

922
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: But there's no that was That was insane. But the

923
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 3: Bears don't play like that. They can rush the pass

924
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 3: or they're stout up front and they get their dbs

925
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 3: are really good. I was texted with a coach who

926
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: played them early in the season, an assistant coach. He's like,

927
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 3: their defensive backs a good cause. So if you have

928
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 3: good defensive backs in twenty twenty four, that's just that's

929
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 3: the Broncos. They have really good defensive backs. Well, half

930
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 3: the teams are obsessed with passing, and watch the Packers.

931
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 3: What do they want to throw the ball? Obviously the

932
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 3: Vikings want to throw the ball we know the Lions

933
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 3: like throwing the ball. So if you can you know,

934
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: defend the pass with DBS and you have a good

935
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 3: pass rush, you're going to be a serious, serious problem.

936
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: And to me, Caleb, you know, parties kind of was

937
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 3: doing this today. That hero ball. Sometimes it's just a

938
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 3: couple of steps, get rid of the ball and if

939
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: nothing's there, just thrown out of bounce. Yeah, you know,

940
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 3: not everything has to be Lamar can get away with it.

941
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 3: But some of these guys that start doing the three sixties.

942
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 3: I mean that used to be a Russell Wilson thing.

943
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 3: And I think players, you know, on the offensive line

944
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 3: have been like, just get rid of the ball, right,

945
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 3: you know what what are we doing? Because every sweet

946
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 3: play you hit, three or four of them screw up

947
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: and you get sacked or you maybe throw a pick

948
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 3: or so. I yeah, I think the Bears the Panthers

949
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: kind of came back to earth today. Yeah, but part

950
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 3: of that was the Bears defense. So I yeah, nice

951
00:48:58,320 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 3: little win.

952
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: No I. And what I really think is, I think

953
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: they probably need another edge rusher in Chicago and they

954
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: got to do a better. They have to get another

955
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: running back beyond DeAndre Swift and shore up the old

956
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: line a little bit. But I you know, thirty six

957
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: to ten in this league, we have not had a

958
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: ton of blowouts. Today was interesting because now you're starting

959
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: to see some blowouts. Now you're starting to see some

960
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: interesting stuff where teams are separating. But I thought, Chicago,

961
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: this is five straight weeks. I thought his first game, Uh,

962
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: he looked a little nervous. I thought, the second game

963
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: he looked frenetic. I thought the third game he looked

964
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: more under control. I thought last week, Okay, there it is.

965
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: And I thought today I was like, if that's what

966
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: he was just today with the parts he has Keenan

967
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: Allen comes back, I'm like, oh, they'll win eight games,

968
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: they'll be a there'll be it, they'll be out. They'll

969
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: spoil somebody's season in December, no question.

970
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 3: Well, I think I think all of these divisional matchups

971
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: between the four teams in that in the NFC North

972
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: are fantastic. If I tell you any mixture of those

973
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 3: teams playing each other is on it that seems getting

974
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: its own television right Bears, Packers, Packers, Lions, Lions, Minnesota.

975
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 3: I mean that division's really really good. Obviously, all four

976
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 3: of them are gonna make the playoffs, and if you're

977
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 3: a betting man, you'd probably bet against the Bears. Uh,

978
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 3: you know, of being maybe the odd man out, but

979
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 3: who knows. I mean, they kind of control their own destiny.

980
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 3: If all of a sudden they go three and three

981
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 3: in those games, maybe get an upset on the road

982
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 3: and win a couple at home. I don't think it's

983
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: inconceivable they get around that nine number.

984
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: Okay, So I want to talk. Packers beat the Rams

985
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: twenty four to nineteen. It was pretty interesting because you

986
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: kind of felt like the Rams, mcvah and Stafford were

987
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: kind of just keeping them in the game. I do

988
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: think the Rams these are the two youngest teams in

989
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: the NFL. But if you start going up and down

990
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: and you start looking at numbers, I worry. Sometimes there

991
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: is some leakage with the Packers defense, although they are

992
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: taking it away, and Jordan Love had a it wasn't

993
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: a Will Levis moment because I don't think it was nerves.

994
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: I think he thought, I don't want a safety here.

995
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 3: He was desperate.

996
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: He was desperate, So it's not he didn't see that guy.

997
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: And by the way, I don't that doesn't happen. That

998
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: kind of play doesn't happen, so take that out. But

999
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: as I watched that game today and again, Stafford was

1000
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: fifty percent on third down, they had a time of

1001
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: possession advantage, they had three hundred and seventy yards two

1002
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty six. And they're doing it without Pooka

1003
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: and they're doing it without Cooper Cup. And I am

1004
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: watching these older guys and Kirk Cousin's old, but he's winning.

1005
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: Aaron's old and he's not. And I looked at Stafford

1006
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: today and I'm watching all these guys run around and

1007
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: Lamar and Brock Purty and Kyler Murray, and it does

1008
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: limit what the Rams can do now no Cooper Cup

1009
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: and Pooka. But Cooper Cup now is injured regularly. That's

1010
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: like part of him, and so they need tackles, they

1011
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: need they need a number one corner. But as I

1012
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: watched that game, I think Green Bay feels like last

1013
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 1: week in the second half. In this week, between Reed

1014
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 1: and Craft and Jordan Love, they got some really nice

1015
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: offensive pieces. They have some and you know, not everybody's healthy.

1016
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: But it makes me think about this game today. Would

1017
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: you waste a top draft pick for the Rams to

1018
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: get the quarterback, or do you just give Stafford one

1019
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: more draft because they have a first of two thirds

1020
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: of four to three six's, they could get him more weapons.

1021
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: What would you do if you ran the Rams? Would

1022
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 1: you draft a quarterback? I mean, he's one of the

1023
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: last pocket dudes in this league.

1024
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, he's right at that number at thirty six,

1025
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: thirty seven years old. Yeah, he's a weathered individual, like

1026
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 3: he's taken a lot of hits. And you know the

1027
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 3: thing with the Cousins the pocket, even the Goths, it

1028
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 3: doesn't feel like they've taken the punishment, even of Rogers,

1029
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 3: because those guys scramble around more in a safe place

1030
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 3: and that's some of the most legendary plays. Or outside

1031
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 3: the pocket throwing the ball right, and Stafford feels much

1032
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 3: closer to Aaron's age than he does Kirk Cousins age.

1033
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 3: I would like this might just be the year. What

1034
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 3: they're doing, honestly, even just being competitive these last couple

1035
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 3: weeks against the Bears and the Packers was pretty impressive.

1036
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: But there's a four point swing, right if he takes

1037
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: a safety instead of the pick six as twenty four

1038
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 3: to fifteen at the end of the game. It's actually

1039
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 3: not as close as it feels. Yes, so it's kind

1040
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 3: of a freakish play there. I would again, I don't

1041
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 3: really love these quarterbacks, so it's like I'm watching Carson back. Yeah,

1042
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 3: I don't really see it. Quinn Ewers, I can't even watch.

1043
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 3: He's injured. Now. We'll see if he comes back this

1044
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 3: weekend's Oklahoma. That's back to back years of being an

1045
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 3: injured guy. This is in college. He hasn't been in

1046
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 3: the SEC that long. And hell, I don't even think

1047
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 3: he's played an SEC game yet because he got hurt

1048
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 3: before it even started. And I don't think got hurt.

1049
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: I don't think Schnor Sanders in LA with McVeigh. I

1050
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: think they could drive each other crazy. So I'm with you,

1051
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: cam Ward.

1052
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 3: I got to see McVeigh kind of liking that though,

1053
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 3: because he is. We'll find out over this next five

1054
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 3: weeks about Colorado, but so far, you got to tap

1055
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 3: your hat to Dion. I mean, they beat the crap

1056
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 3: out of UCF last week as a fourteen point hunderdog.

1057
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 3: He's looked pretty good. There's no disputing his You know,

1058
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 3: he's not super tall, but he's six two six. He

1059
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 3: was fine, big arm, can move really pretty accurate. I

1060
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 3: holds on the ball a little bit long, but I

1061
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 3: mean that's he's college quarterback.

1062
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 1: No, I think I think Shadure. Like when I watch

1063
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: Carson Beck, he looks thin. I think he reminds me

1064
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: of Arch Manning as a freshman. I'm like, dude, eat,

1065
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: you need fifteen pounds of muscle. Arch has put it on.

1066
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: You can see Arch. He's thicker. Those Texas quarterbacks that

1067
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 1: all they have weight room competitions. They're all big thit kids.

1068
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: Carson Becks does not drive the ball. Beck doesn't drive

1069
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: the ball. And they have an average OL line at

1070
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: Georgia this year, and he's limited. He doesn't have rock

1071
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: bowers and you can see it. He doesn't have his

1072
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: safety valve. So I think Shaudur is the greatest talent.

1073
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: Cam Ward's right behind him. He's fascinating. But let's be honest.

1074
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: The Rams they don't have the draft capital to move

1075
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: up and teams aren't moving back. You have to have

1076
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: a quarter who's gonna ge what do you have to

1077
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: give up to move to like the number one or

1078
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 1: two pick?

1079
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I would you entertain if you were

1080
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 3: drafting high enough. Just trading Stafford, Yeah, just trade him

1081
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 3: the Raiders or something, you know, just move, you know,

1082
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 3: if you had the opportunity to get a young quarterback,

1083
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 3: I think that's what you'd have to entertain doing. Obviously,

1084
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 3: in a perfect world, they would just be fully healthy

1085
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 3: and roll with Stafford. But we've have a couple of

1086
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 3: years now. It's like they had injuries last year. They're

1087
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 3: adding up again.

1088
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: Also, John he had really ugly moments today. He had

1089
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: a couple. He had a terrible pick. Last weekend he

1090
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: had a terrible You get you get at least one

1091
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: a weekend. You know. It's funny we look at Sam, but.

1092
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 3: I see if I was defending him, and I bet

1093
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 3: if he was sitting here, it's like, I don't have

1094
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 3: a choice. I can't what am I supposed to do?

1095
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I have to force the issue to give us,

1096
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 3: you know, a snowballs chance, just to you know, to

1097
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 3: move the ball down the field. Yeah, if I don't

1098
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 3: let it rip and push. Now, I think people that

1099
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 3: are anti Stafford will say, well, he does that no

1100
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 3: matter what, right, right, So I think he's kind of

1101
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:00,479
Speaker 3: in a tough spot. To me, it's more about the age.

1102
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 3: And I think historically you go back to Walsh, you

1103
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 3: go with Belichick's mindset to Brady of when he shored them.

1104
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 3: Now it blew up in his face. I think you

1105
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 3: can't go wrong shorting older, weathered guys that have been

1106
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 3: hit a lot. And he's how often, even when he's

1107
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 3: playing his best at the end of games, he kind

1108
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 3: of limping off the side of the field. I mean,

1109
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 3: that's that's like a go to move for his career,

1110
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 3: just because the punishment he's taken.

1111
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Jordan Love and again, I think he's really talented.

1112
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: And I again that picked six. He he just didn't

1113
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: want to say if he would have been at the

1114
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: twelve yard line or something, it wouldn't it would just

1115
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: be a mistake. It's the end zone. It's great. It's

1116
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: one of those classic highlights. It's it's very far of

1117
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: like I think his brain just turned off, you know,

1118
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: he just kind of yeah. So, but I thought today

1119
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: they didn't ask him to do much. And I thought,

1120
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: and I think this is why Matt Lafleur, I mean,

1121
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty six, two hundred and twenty four yards

1122
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: he ran three times. I think because of the injury

1123
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: in Willis playing. I thought last week's first half he

1124
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: was overwhelmed. Second half he was better. And I thought

1125
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: in this game Green Bay came in and felt, listen,

1126
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna win this game. We're just gonna slow play it.

1127
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm not worried. But he's not off to a great start,

1128
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: are you at all? To me?

1129
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 3: He feels somewhere in the middle of not as terrible

1130
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 3: as he was when he started last season. But obviously

1131
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 3: he's not the guy that we saw at the end

1132
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 3: of the season that got the one hundred and seventy

1133
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 3: million dollars contract. He's kind of in no man's land

1134
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 3: right now. Still can make remarkable plays that I guess

1135
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 3: it wasn't a touchdown, but like the eighty yard ball God, yes, yes,

1136
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 3: as good as it gets, right. But also when it's

1137
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 3: in the air, because it's that player, you think that

1138
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 3: he just throw a pick in a triple coverage and

1139
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 3: he can get really loosey goosey with the ball just

1140
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 3: kind of flying all over the map. So it's like

1141
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 3: when I watch him by the end of the year,

1142
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 3: because he had sacked so many good games, you had

1143
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 3: a lot of trust him in him as a player,

1144
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 3: and by the time the playoffs came, he's like, this

1145
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 3: is one of the best players in the league. When

1146
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 3: I watched him. Right now, I don't trust him, Like

1147
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 3: when he drops back, I think anything could happen. And

1148
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 3: whether that's obviously he got injured, but remember even before

1149
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 3: he got injured in that Eagle game, he just I

1150
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 3: don't know if it's Russ. I don't know if it's

1151
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 3: trying to prove the money because whatever the way he

1152
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 3: was playing last year, there was a freeness to it,

1153
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 3: but there's also a control. He wasn't turning the ball over.

1154
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 3: You know, he puts a lot of balls into Harm's way,

1155
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 3: Colin's that's my thing. But he could make up for

1156
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 3: it because with that power arm and obviously they got

1157
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 3: I mean, they got some pieces that they're a team

1158
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 3: that if if their defense just played solid. I mean,

1159
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 3: Jacobs was running really well today. Obviously the wide receivers

1160
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 3: Tucker with the sweet long touchdown that they could be

1161
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 3: a problem. But they need him because the NFC, let's

1162
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 3: face is pretty wide open right now.

1163
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: Oh, Jason McIntyre, Tech five teams could probably win it.

1164
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: We were talking Friday. He goes, I can't believe you

1165
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: took Arizona, and I'm like they got humiliated. San Francisco

1166
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: Warner may not play. So you know, my take is

1167
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:57,760
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Speaker 1: Amazon Prime for details. So the New York Giants controlled

1176
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: the Seahawks all day, even when it was ten to ten,

1177
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: and they go on to beat Seattle twenty nine to

1178
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: twenty blocking a kick up in the Pacific Northwest. So

1179
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: this was this is the one game I've lost so far.

1180
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: But as we do this, I thought Seattle No Moleague

1181
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: Neighbors Singletary was banged up. But I will tell you

1182
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: when you watch the Giants, they're old lines and d lines.

1183
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: They've committed to those in the draft and in acquisitions.

1184
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Daniel Jones twenty three to thirty four, two touchdowns,

1185
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: two fifty seven. He rushed eleven times or carried eleven times.

1186
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: I thought that is as good as Dan And that's

1187
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: without malite neighbors John, Like, I watched that today and

1188
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised by much. Bandy beating Bama. You know,

1189
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: USC losing, Yeah, yeah, USC losing the way they did

1190
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: the Giants that was twenty nine to twenty. It it

1191
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: felt like they were the better team. And you've got

1192
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: to give this team credit. They have an offensive coach

1193
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: on like the Jets. Their defensive line is excellent. When

1194
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: I watched the Giants, I think they're well coached. I

1195
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: think they're limited. But Daniel Jones, he moves, he's big,

1196
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: he's healthy. Now, what did you make of that win?

1197
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: It's something.

1198
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's just acknowledge this. You remove week one

1199
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 3: when they played Minnesota and got embarrassed. Yes, Dan Jones

1200
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 3: been pretty good this season. He really has. He's made

1201
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 3: a lot of plays. I mean, he made a bunch

1202
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 3: of plays against Washington in the game when they didn't

1203
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 3: have a kicker. Yeah, and Malik Nabors. That's kind of

1204
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 3: got his start going. I didn't think he was that

1205
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 3: bad against the Cowboys. He underthrows some deep balls, but

1206
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 3: no one ever like he's not Josh Allen Mahomes. He's

1207
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 3: not a deep ball thrower, but he's not turning the

1208
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 3: ball over. There was one time I looked up and

1209
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 3: he would lowered his shoulder. Yes, So, I mean, I

1210
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 3: think he's playing just pretty solid. Now, you know, are

1211
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 3: they good enough? Like what does that mean? I don't know.

1212
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 3: I mean Seattle, think about played Monday night in Detroit.

1213
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, what's that flight? Four and a half hours,

1214
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 3: you lose, you get back, kind of your classic come

1215
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 3: out the gates not playing that hard. New York off

1216
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 3: a long week because they had just played Thursday, looked

1217
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 3: like the fresher team.

1218
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: Yes, but New York is not.

1219
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 3: I don't know. They're more likely in my mind to

1220
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 3: win six or seven than nine or ten. But they

1221
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 3: are a tough, you know, operation to play right now.

1222
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 3: They are not some joke franchise. This is not, you know,

1223
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 3: I don't know of the worst team in Miami. Patriot games.

1224
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: They remind me of Denver. They're squeezing every ounce out

1225
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: of their team, and that to me is coaching. I mean,

1226
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: I watched them today and I'm like, I thought, I'm

1227
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: like neighbors Singletary, how the hell do they move the

1228
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: ball now? Again? Seattle is dinged up on the d line.

1229
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: But when I'm watching Daniel Jones, it's one of those things,

1230
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: it's just the Hostetler. It's Phil Simms, it's Eli. Even

1231
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: when they have the right quarterback in New York, it's

1232
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: never dynamic and pretty. And I love Phil Simms and Eli,

1233
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: but there's a Hostetler quality to Daniel Jones. And years

1234
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: ago when I worked at the other place, I used

1235
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,959
Speaker 1: to call them the accounting firm of the NFL. Even

1236
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: when they have a great earnings report, it's boring. They're

1237
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: a boring team. But I don't think you can deny.

1238
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: We have to be totally honest about this, Brian Dabole,

1239
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: and in New York it's just harder to coach. I mean,

1240
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: if he was going through what Doug Peterson's going through

1241
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: the last two months, he'd be done. He'd be out

1242
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,479
Speaker 1: with a Trevor Lauren, he'd be fired. When I watch

1243
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: that offense again, I'm watching Sean Payton score thirty fourth

1244
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: day with bow Nicks, They're just squeezing every ounce. Then

1245
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: I watched Josh Allen have a terrible day. So I

1246
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: look at the Giants and I'm like, they have what

1247
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: kind of the Jets don't, which is a really good

1248
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: offensive coach. They get the most out of their talent.

1249
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: There's really no drama. The HBO series didn't help, but

1250
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of drama around them. They're boring.

1251
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: I don't love Daniel Jones, but I will say this,

1252
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: he'd have a market because of what Brian Daboles done.

1253
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 3: He'd have a market. He's changed, I would say the narrative,

1254
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 3: which was not good at all coming into this season,

1255
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 3: and I think if you just throw on his tape,

1256
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 3: I mean, he's playing pretty solid, like he's an NFL starter.

1257
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 3: The version that we've seen after Week one, which I

1258
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 3: got news for you everyone that plays Minnesota looks pretty crappy. Yeah, right,

1259
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 3: So you could argue that actually aged pretty well on

1260
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 3: his side. But I just the NFC East, you know,

1261
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 3: I was looking at Washington schedule. Obviously they get a

1262
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 3: resounding win today. They get the Ravens coming up, which

1263
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 3: is going to be difficult. Then they play the Panthers,

1264
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 3: the Bears at the Giants, so that division could get

1265
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 3: weird because they could just have a record, you know,

1266
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Speaker 3: be like six and three. Then all of a sudden,

1267
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 3: if you just split a Cowboys or the Eagles and

1268
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 3: one of those teams, like they're already kind of fighting

1269
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 3: their way, you know, behind Washington right now, just because boom,

1270
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 3: what you know, they just start three and one, four

1271
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 3: and one, All of a sudden, you look up, they're

1272
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 3: five and two and the numbers are just kind of

1273
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 3: on your side. And then when I play you, if

1274
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 3: I already got a two game lead, you have no

1275
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 3: margin for air if I'm the Cowboys or the Eagles.

1276
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 3: And let's face it, like the Giants are not just

1277
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 3: some locke l to both those two teams, that's right.

1278
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 3: I mean, hell, they almost beat the Cowboys the other night.

1279
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 3: There's no telling. If they just play the Eagles on

1280
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 3: a random you know, Sunday or Monday night, they won't

1281
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 3: lose that game. That being Philly, like, they are not

1282
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 3: just some pushover joke four win team. Now, I don't

1283
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 3: think they're a playoff team by any means, but could

1284
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 3: they win seven eight, I mean, he did it a

1285
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 3: couple of years ago. To me, it's this, can Washington

1286
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 3: maintain this when they start playing better teams and New

1287
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 3: York like that. That's an impressive win to go on

1288
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 3: the road to Seattle. And like you said, the score

1289
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 3: was close. If you were watching the game, it wasn't

1290
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 3: feel that close. Seattle did not look good. That's by

1291
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 3: far when you say Seattle they looked off today.

1292
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: Well, here's the good news with Seattle. They really have

1293
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: all the pieces. All they need is a quarterback. I mean,

1294
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: they've got multiple receivers, two backs, capable tight ends, a

1295
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: left tackle, they've got their coach, their d Linzo was hurt, secondaries,

1296
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: nice linebackers, that move. That's a team that could give

1297
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: up four picks move because they're too talented. Not they're

1298
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: not gonna get a top twelve pick, but that's a team.

1299
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: I thought they should have done it last year. I

1300
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: argued last year was the year to go out and

1301
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: get Pennix.

1302
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 3: There are six of them.

1303
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like to me that that was my argument,

1304
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: go get a quarterback. But they had signed Geno like

1305
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: a Kirk Cousins deal. It's not prohibitive, it's not punitive

1306
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: and let Gino for a year play, let the kids

1307
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: sit behind him. But I think it's time for Seattle

1308
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: to make a big pitch. I think when you watch

1309
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: Geno today, you know, just he took a couple of

1310
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: bad sacks. He's pretty darned mobile. But I just I

1311
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: don't think anybody in Seattle. I thought Pete. When Pete

1312
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,439
Speaker 1: Carroll said yeah, I can win with Gino and Drew Locke,

1313
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: It's like, that's a defensive coach. And I think when

1314
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: defensive coaches tend to lack a little urgency at quarterback.

1315
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 1: That's why I was so surprised that Tomlin moved off

1316
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: Kenny Picket so fast. It was like, you know, mcveahta

1317
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: had four starts and moved off him. So okay, let's

1318
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: there's a couple of different things to talk about here.

1319
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: I listen, we could talk about Ravens Bengals. I talk

1320
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: about so much Ravens football that I'll do that more

1321
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: on TV tomorrow. I do want to discuss this because

1322
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: Denver hammered the Raiders thirty four eighteen. They now have

1323
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: a better record than the Jets at three and two,

1324
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: with a rookie quarterback and as This was one of

1325
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: my takes this offseason. The best over bet was Denver

1326
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: because I think their roster's okay, not great, but they

1327
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: are generating a pass rush without a Pro Bowl guy

1328
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: up front. And I watched Bonicks had a touchdown pass

1329
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: drop today and this is the difference between defense.

1330
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 3: It was great. It was a great throat hit him

1331
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 3: stride is I.

1332
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: Watch Bonick now? Jaden Daniels is different. I feel like

1333
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm watching Lamar Jackson light That's what I feel like

1334
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels. I don't know what b Nicks's comp is.

1335
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: And I was going to ask you about this as

1336
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: a former scout. I do think there's a ceiling. He

1337
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: is smaller, he doesn't have a big deep arm. It's

1338
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 1: a little Derek Carr. I think Derek Carr right now

1339
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: is a better deep arm than bo Nicks does. Do

1340
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: you have a comp for because clearly, I mean Sean

1341
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: is doing a Brian Dable. He's squeezing every ounce out

1342
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: of this roster. What is Bonick's ceiling? Who is he

1343
01:07:58,040 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: to you?

1344
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 3: I think before four quarterback inflation he fell under that

1345
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 3: Derek Carr, Jimmy Garoppolo. Historically he would have been a

1346
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 3: second round pick. Now he's a better athlete. And I'm

1347
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 3: talking to Jimmy when he was decent for the forty

1348
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 3: nine ers and Derek. You know, people love to bag

1349
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 3: on him. He's had some pretty good years, yes, you know,

1350
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 3: for a team that, let's face it, no one wins

1351
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,600
Speaker 3: with in the Raiders. So and I actually kind of

1352
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 3: you know, the Saints. I think they're gonna have a

1353
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 3: good season, and he's he's been playing well this season.

1354
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 3: So I think he's under that mold. Now he's a

1355
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 3: better athlete than both those two guys. Yes, Derek. You know,

1356
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,679
Speaker 3: when Derek was young, he had some pretty good pop

1357
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 3: in his arm. I always say he's got more arm

1358
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:44,520
Speaker 3: strengthen Bo. But he'd never had a coach of Shawn's

1359
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 3: you know level.

1360
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 1: He's had a lot of defense years.

1361
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that I think he can be

1362
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 3: a really good player if you build up the team.

1363
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 3: And one thing Sean Payton has done really the last

1364
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 3: couple of years of Drew Brees. When he brought in

1365
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 3: Dennis out, they became good on defense. Today, we know certain.

1366
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 3: I mean he's been a highly recruited guy since he

1367
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,959
Speaker 3: was like fifteen years old. But they have other dbs

1368
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 3: flying all over the Yes, who are I didn't have

1369
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 3: the volume on a couple guys made plays. I had

1370
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:14,879
Speaker 3: to look up their names, like who are these dbs?

1371
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 3: Because they are I get it. They're playing the Raiders

1372
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,759
Speaker 3: and minschhew and O'Connell. But that was okay, you removed

1373
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 3: that brock Bowers play early in the game. Once they

1374
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 3: got to the second quarter, they took control and they

1375
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 3: came out of halftime and that was they curb stopped him.

1376
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 3: I mean they absolutely throttled them in the second half.

1377
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:37,839
Speaker 1: And they're offensively. Mims looks like a good pick. Javonte

1378
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: Williams are running back. He can catch it and he

1379
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: can run it. I think I've always like Courtland Sutton.

1380
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 3: They like the Oregon wide receiver that dropped the ball Franklin.

1381
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 3: It's kind of the knock on him right as the hands,

1382
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 3: but he he's got speed and they played together in college.

1383
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: So I kind of look at Denver and.

1384
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 3: Are they a playoff team?

1385
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: I look at them like I look at Chicago. You

1386
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:08,560
Speaker 1: watch their defense and you're like, okay, so I have

1387
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl Trophy coach. Their defense is much better

1388
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: than people think it's faster than people think, like Chicago,

1389
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: and they have a rookie quarterback. The difference is the

1390
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: NFC North may be the best division at football probably is.

1391
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: Whereas the Raiders are a mess. The Chargers, you cross

1392
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: their fingers they get healthy. The Chiefs are vulnerable. Though

1393
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: they're on a heater, they're vulnerable. I in fact, I

1394
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: like the points in the Saints tomorrow. They're just not

1395
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: beating anybody. Denver is I mean, it's thirty four eighteen

1396
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: and they dropped the touchdown. I think their personnel, you know,

1397
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 1: I like this GM Patton. I didn't love the Russell

1398
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 1: Wilson move, but I'm in fairness, I liked it when

1399
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: they made it. I didn't know Russell was going to

1400
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: drop off the cliff. I kind of like Denver's players.

1401
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 3: Well, to me, when you look at the landscape of

1402
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 3: the AFC, right the Chiefs, the Texans, you know are

1403
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 3: gonna be there. Obviously, the Bills are gonna be there.

1404
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 3: Right now, the Chargers are the seventh seed, and just

1405
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 3: based on injuries, you just know they're gonna have so

1406
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 3: many it's gonna be hard to overcome. And if their

1407
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 3: quarterback's banged up, they just be screwed. But turns out

1408
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 3: Miami sucks. The Jets are I mean a complete wild

1409
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 3: card at any moment. I mean there's been multiple times

1410
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 3: this season when Rogers went down and you're like, is

1411
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 3: he gonna get back up? I mean that happened today

1412
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 3: when he got bent over. Yeah, is this season over?

1413
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 3: And even if his season he plays in all seventeen

1414
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 3: games that they are by no means no lock to

1415
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 3: win nine games. The Browns, a playoff team from last year,

1416
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 3: is an absolute train wreck right now. I mean has

1417
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 3: the worst quarterback situation slack vibes going on right now

1418
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 3: because of the negativity surrounding that situation. So I think

1419
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 3: you just look at the landscape of the AFC Cincinnati,

1420
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 3: who obviously is pretty good. I mean they got a

1421
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 3: pretty special offense, but you start playing a numbers game

1422
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you two and five. How do

1423
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 3: you ever get back? You can't. You're not able to

1424
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 3: win enough games in a row when you have that

1425
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 3: big of a flaw as a defensive football team. That's

1426
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 3: what's crazy about the Ravens is like where did their

1427
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 3: defense go? But Cincinnati like that has like they're they're

1428
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 3: not good on defense, and it's hard. I don't care

1429
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 3: if you got Joe Burrow, Jamar Chason T. Higgins who

1430
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 3: all looks fantastic. If your defense is that bad, well,

1431
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 3: the Broncos are like, hey, we're gonna have some games

1432
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 3: when the when the kid throws for seventy five yards

1433
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 3: and you know what will when the fucking thing sixteen

1434
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 3: to thirteen. We got no problem to it. Like Cincinnati

1435
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 3: doesn't even have that capability. Harbaugh in theory would Yeah,

1436
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 3: but Joey Bosset is already sitting in a suite. You know,

1437
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 3: the injuries have kind of unraveled, and you know you

1438
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 3: got Herbert limping around. It's hard this team. Just the

1439
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 3: speed of Denver's defense. Oh no, they to do more

1440
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 3: of a deep dive on their defensive roster. I don't

1441
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,560
Speaker 3: even know some of their players besides certain who is

1442
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 3: I mean, what does he look like right now? Like

1443
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 3: Charles Woodson meets Rod Woodson in this prime? Yeah? How

1444
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 3: good does he look?

1445
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 1: No? It is and I last year the Rams were

1446
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: my either better than you think. Team Denver this year

1447
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: was my Their roster is I mean they have a

1448
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: quarterback I like a super Bowl coach a more than

1449
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: capable left tackle. I like their wide receivers and I

1450
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: think Javonte Williams is the player. Their linebacking corps moves well.

1451
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 1: You know, say what you want, they move well. College

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Speaker 1: So I want to give this some time. USC we

1459
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 1: usually do one big college football topic, and since I'm

1460
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: viewed as a USC homer, I might as well just

1461
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: embrace it.

1462
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 3: So they Loy Vanderbilt Alabama happened. It kind of overshadowed it.

1463
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: At Vanderbilt, by the way, is clever. A lot of

1464
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: misdirection they You know, listen, you come off the Georgia

1465
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: game and even though it's it's you can say, well,

1466
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: Nick gave you a he gave you a Mercedes.

1467
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 3: Listen.

1468
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 1: Nick lost to Louisiana Monroe with good players. I mean,

1469
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,799
Speaker 1: Alabama didn't have to rebuild a roster. They had players.

1470
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: They had no coaches. So it happens. They had just listen.

1471
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 1: Vanderbilt fooled them. They weren't ready for it, and it

1472
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: got ugly fast. And now you're trailing, playing from behind.

1473
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: You have to call the game differently. It happens. But

1474
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: I was looking at USC and I was texting somebody

1475
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: this morning who covers them, And I said, the one

1476
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: thing that jumped out to me, Minnesota played like it

1477
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: was a Rose Bowl Minnesota. The stadium was full. PJ

1478
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 1: Flex say what you want, brings a ton of intensity.

1479
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: Those guys were jumping all over the place. Their running

1480
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 1: back was powerful. Us he's bad. Tackling is re emerged,

1481
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: which we thought it was done after the LSU game.

1482
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 1: It re emerged against Michigan. I saw it again this weekend.

1483
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: And now their offense is young. But when I watched

1484
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 1: the game plan, John not a lot of motion, not

1485
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:00,679
Speaker 1: a lot of different sets from Lincoln Riley Miller. Moss

1486
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: has been in that program now three years. Okay, this

1487
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: is not a transfer. He knows the offense. Uh, They've

1488
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 1: got some Really, their offensive line is young and at

1489
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: right tackle is a problem. But I gotta tell you,

1490
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: I have defended Lincoln to the end, and I defended, uh,

1491
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 1: I've defended I defend most coaches, and I think we

1492
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: all know that Lincoln's good offensively. But that loss is

1493
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: not just a loss, John. It feels like one step

1494
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 1: forward to back. I don't know if you overcome that.

1495
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you're essentially now with their schedule, they're not

1496
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,600
Speaker 1: making the playoff and La quits and.

1497
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 3: They're not a player. They're not a playoff team, right,

1498
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 3: I mean, we asked this. They got that first half

1499
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 3: last week. I would say against Wisconsin was a little alarming,

1500
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 3: was it not.

1501
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 1: They were a mistake prone mess.

1502
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 3: So to me, their wins, the Michigan win, which I

1503
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 3: thought was impressive because you're watching a live of the

1504
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 3: physicality that game is not all. Turns out Michigan doesn't

1505
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 3: know how to execute the forward pass right and just

1506
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 3: lost by ten against Washington, who I'm not sure is

1507
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 3: that good? Right? Right?

1508
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: So?

1509
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 3: And even LSU, which at the time felt like an

1510
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 3: impressive win because of the brand and because of the

1511
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 3: name recognition of their players, how many guys are can

1512
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 3: get drafted. LSU might turn out to be an eight

1513
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 3: win team. So it's like Ohio State and we'll see

1514
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:25,680
Speaker 3: with Oregon obviously they play each other this week, but

1515
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 3: in terms of the talent on their roster in kind

1516
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 3: of a different level right now, and defensively, like they

1517
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 3: were gonna have to hang their hat on that, which

1518
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,679
Speaker 3: looked like they could. It just turns out Michigan's offense

1519
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 3: is future right and Wisconsin obviously is not very good

1520
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 3: on offense either.

1521
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: Listen, USC, this is the one college roster I know

1522
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 1: pretty much, front and back. USC has two playable tackles

1523
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 1: on their team, and one's not good. So they have

1524
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: a red shirt freshman, Elijah Page left tackle. He's not good,

1525
01:16:56,439 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: but he is their future. His backup is a red

1526
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: shirt freshman who is six feet two. He's a center.

1527
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 1: They have no backup left tackle. You think it's bad now.

1528
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: Mason Murphy the right tackle. They have a kid behind him,

1529
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: Tobias Raymond. He's not ready to play. They've been telling

1530
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 1: they they've leaned into Mason Murphy for years. It's just

1531
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: too slow a foot, it's too many mistakes. He's a

1532
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,839
Speaker 1: college kid, you know whatever, But you cannot be USC.

1533
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 1: I mean, you go to Oregon or Ohio State right now,

1534
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 1: and there's six tackles that are six six and above.

1535
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:37,879
Speaker 1: There are six to seven four to five star tackles.

1536
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: One's a senior, couple of juniors. USC has two playable

1537
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: offensive tackles, a center backup left tackle, a kid that's

1538
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: not ready to play at right tackle in the NIL

1539
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 1: era with USC's brand, that's on Lincoln. That's the offense

1540
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 1: that's not good enough.

1541
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 3: I've always thought, you know, Stark, who now obviously has

1542
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 3: Texas rolling, and Ryan Day had this issue too. Once

1543
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 3: Urban left, they became so offensive centric and loved passing.

1544
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 3: That Ohio State most of my life has been a

1545
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 3: defensive first NFL guys at every single position, and then

1546
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 3: they kind of fell off a cliff because they were

1547
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 3: just passing and all their wide receivers and quarterbacks were

1548
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 3: so awesome. Well then they used nil to listen, maybe

1549
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 3: they're never going to practice like Jim Harbaugh in terms

1550
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 3: of running power for seventy minutes of a two hour practice.

1551
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 3: But you can just buy those guys. So what ohiose

1552
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 3: they do this offseason? They bought the kid from Bama

1553
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 3: like they start buying defensive players. Sark clearly, like listen,

1554
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 3: he's an offensive pass game guy, Like that's who he

1555
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 3: is at his court, which is fine, he's really good

1556
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 3: at it, but your defense in practice like that was

1557
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 3: always a downfall of Mike Leach. Now he could never

1558
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 3: recruit at the schools to their level. But you don't

1559
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 3: create a physicality in practice when you're just passing the

1560
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,600
Speaker 3: ball all over the place. Jim Harbaugh's teams are not

1561
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 3: physical by accident. That's because the way they practice is

1562
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 3: a physical practice, you know, six months a year. So

1563
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 3: what does Texas do? They have unlimited money, like ouse

1564
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 3: they start opening the check book. Oregon, Now they've had

1565
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,720
Speaker 3: defensive coaches and Mario's an offensive guy, but he's an

1566
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 3: oh line guy, and he thinks like that, They're just

1567
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 3: start paying people. And it's like if USC is gonna

1568
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 3: be on those guys levels Texas, Ohio State because they

1569
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,719
Speaker 3: are going to be consistent powerhouses because they are opening

1570
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 3: enormous checks right now and paying a lot of money

1571
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 3: for players. And obviously Lincoln he is going to be

1572
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,560
Speaker 3: able to figure out the offense over time. Yeah, like

1573
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 3: that is his baby, he knows that. But defensively, they're

1574
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 3: going to have to be cutting huge checks for defensive players. Listen,

1575
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 3: that's kind of the name of the game.

1576
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: Now, I mean they one of their linebackers is six

1577
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 1: to six Eric Gentry. He didn't play or if he did,

1578
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: not much, and their tackling was just exposed. But their

1579
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,560
Speaker 1: linebackers aren't big, they're not intimidating.

1580
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 3: I mean, they have one.

1581
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 1: One guy, Anthony Lucas, that will get drafted defensively that

1582
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: would you know, I'm talking first two three rounds, probably

1583
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: gets drafted. They just don't have enough great players. They

1584
01:19:57,160 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 1: have a kid named the Kobe Lane' his name. He's

1585
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. He's like six to five out of Arizona.

1586
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 1: He's a very very tough to defend. Deuce Robinson very

1587
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 1: tough to defend. They're like six five wide receivers. They're

1588
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: very good players. They're not great. They're not like the

1589
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:16,719
Speaker 1: Ohio State kid or the Alabama receiver. But and they're nil.

1590
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 1: They have thirteen million dollars. This is not a poverty program.

1591
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: They've got real money here. Washington's got seven and a half.

1592
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 1: They've got thirteen in the nil. So when I look

1593
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 1: at their situation, they don't have an elite defensive tackle

1594
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 1: or an elite They have one good center on offensive line.

1595
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:34,600
Speaker 1: If you counted all their d O linemen and you

1596
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 1: had twenty guys. You have Anthony Lucas on the defensive side,

1597
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: Monheim on the offensive line. They got two guys that

1598
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 1: are draftable.

1599
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 3: But here, you know, if you think about it, last

1600
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 3: year PAC twelve when you say had one of its

1601
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 3: best seasons of the last twenty years, and they won

1602
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 3: seven games, right, they won seven and five. And then

1603
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 3: you go into the Big Ten, which like the PAC

1604
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 3: twelve last year, just has on a given game, if

1605
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 3: you're on the road at Minnesota at Iowa, like you

1606
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 3: can lose, right Like last year with Lincoln, like you

1607
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 3: went on the road to Arizona, or I guess Arizona

1608
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 3: came to usc but you know what I mean, Like

1609
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 3: the program was deep and on any given week Beside

1610
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,759
Speaker 3: in theory, you should never lose to a Vanderbilt, whoever's

1611
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 3: the bottom feeder. But the teams in the middle, and

1612
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 3: we can argue till we're blue in the face, what

1613
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 3: conference is deeper, the SEC or the Big Ten? I

1614
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 3: do know if any of those middle tiers six to

1615
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 3: eight win programs play well at home on a given week,

1616
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 3: they can beat most teams, especially now with the nil

1617
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 3: and transfer Portal era. It's all kind of watered down

1618
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 3: the day and age of like the two thousand and

1619
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 3: one Miami hell just like three years ago, Kirby smart

1620
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 3: team with twenty five NFL guys starting on his you

1621
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 3: know two deep, like those days are done. Yeah, you

1622
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 3: look at Georgia now, they look like a show of themselves.

1623
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 3: Those early saban Bama teams. He kind of loaded up

1624
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:52,680
Speaker 3: the roster. It doesn't exist anymore. So it's much more

1625
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 3: water down. Which if you don't get it right in

1626
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 3: the nil, if you're not paying like the top guys

1627
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 3: are going to garner a lot of money, your talent

1628
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 3: is not going to be that much different. Because Minnesota

1629
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 3: can get a couple of transfers here and there, and

1630
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 3: all of a sudden it's like, ah, this teams not

1631
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 3: that good. Well, actually they got this guy from there

1632
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 3: and this other guy from there, and all of a sudden,

1633
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 3: you're down ten in the fourth quarter.

1634
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was the two lane loss, but

1635
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 1: that was an eleven win season. But the way they

1636
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 1: lost that was ugly, and this one is it's just

1637
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 1: not acceptable. You know, again, there was a little wind

1638
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 1: that can't keep your offense down to seventeen points against Minnesota.

1639
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 1: Bad bad loss.

1640
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this, I didn't sleep much because I

1641
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,640
Speaker 3: stayed up late watching that Cow Miami game. Jesus and

1642
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 3: that place. You know, someone I grew up with my

1643
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 3: dad going to a Memorial Stadium and you know the

1644
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 3: difference to call in Stanford. Cow does have a pretty

1645
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 3: good fan base, and when they're good, that place will

1646
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 3: fill out. And it was rocking and they were kicking

1647
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 3: Miami's ass, and you go, this is Mario. He's not

1648
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,560
Speaker 3: coming back to back, you know, winning this thing. And

1649
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 3: they pulled off one of the craziest comebacks you'll ever see.

1650
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,879
Speaker 3: I mean, what an incredible win. And they're a good example.

1651
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 3: Like they got some money, they're buying some players well. Also,

1652
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 3: I'm like USC most well coached, but their talent deep.

1653
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: Also, Mario's teams were physical. You didn't love them situationally,

1654
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 1: but he was a big, strong guy. He's a UFC

1655
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 1: fan like Oregon was physical with Mario. Miami's physical and

1656
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 1: tough and cam Ward special and Miami's got the kind

1657
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 1: of nil money they'll just go by cam Ward. I

1658
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 1: was texting Ryan Risolo today, I said, I watched cam

1659
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:25,679
Speaker 1: Ward do that for two or three years in Pullman,

1660
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 1: nobody watched him. So it's like when he went to Miami,

1661
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, you guys don't have any idea what you're getting.

1662
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 1: You have no idea how good this cam Ward is.

1663
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: He just had no pros around him. So they're for real. Listen,

1664
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: it's hard to ask kids to go from Miami to

1665
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 1: col three thousand miles. A lot of these kids, I mean,

1666
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 1: when I was eighteen, had you been to had you

1667
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 1: been to the South?

1668
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 3: Like I didn't you know?

1669
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 1: These kids don't know.

1670
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 3: I was having some beers with a buddy last night.

1671
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, do you understand what time these guys are

1672
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 3: going to get home? Do the math? They'd lose hours

1673
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 3: flying home if they get on the plane by one o'clock.

1674
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 3: I mean it's nine o'clock in the morning when these

1675
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 3: players are landing. It is pretty crazy some of these

1676
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 3: patch ups now because of the conference realignment, which also

1677
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 3: makes it fun, like that was a real, real fun

1678
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 3: game and Miami got very, very lucky. But also you're

1679
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 3: watching them, you see bamul loose. I think Georgia is

1680
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 3: a shell of themselves what they've been so to me,

1681
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 3: it's like, obviously text Ohio State are really good, but

1682
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 3: we've seen college football. It's got a little NCAA tournament

1683
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 3: feel to it. Like I think there are seven eight

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Speaker 3: teams once we get to the top twelve that if

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Speaker 3: Boise makes it, are you watching their running back? He

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Speaker 3: looks like, I mean, the best player in the the

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Speaker 3: guy used to having one of the most incredible seasons

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Speaker 3: in like the history of college football, something you would

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Speaker 3: have seen in like the eighties with like Barry Sanders.

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Speaker 1: The way USC can't stop a powerful running back. Boise

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Speaker 1: State would give USC fits.

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Speaker 3: Oh, he'd have two hundred plus yours. They gave Oregon

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Speaker 3: fits and who knows what if that's like the twelve

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Speaker 3: to five game, Yeah, would you want to play Boise

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Speaker 3: State as the five to twelve game?

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Speaker 1: Nona.

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Speaker 3: So it's like, I actually think that the playoff gonna

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Speaker 3: have an NFL feel a little bit. With a little

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Speaker 3: NCAA tournament, you're gonna have a couple Is Ohio State

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Speaker 3: down ten in the going into the fourth quarter. It's

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Speaker 3: football too, It's only one game. It's not a best

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Speaker 3: of five series.

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Speaker 1: That's right, John middlecoff as Olas crushed it. Thanks Buddy A.

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Speaker 3: Lot of football coling talk soon the volume.

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