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Speaker 1: Artist, working man in baseball Right now, Sam Blum joins us,

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Speaker 1: writing for The Athletic, covering the Angels among other topics. Sam,

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Speaker 1: great to see you, and we'll get to the crazy

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Speaker 1: court case that's been going on in your awesome coverage

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Speaker 1: of it. Let's just start nice and simple. Kurt Suzuki

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Speaker 1: one year contract. First thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I mean, my first thought is it doesn't really matter

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Speaker 2: who the manager is if you're going to give someone

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Speaker 2: a one year deal. And it makes me wonder to

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Speaker 2: some extent if that's what they were offering Albert Pooholes

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Speaker 2: and Tory Hunter and why those you know, those pursuits

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Speaker 2: didn't pan out. Again, I just don't know how relevant

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Speaker 2: it is that who their manager is, if it's going

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Speaker 2: to be a one year deal. I think it's embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, this is you're putting a guy

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Speaker 2: who's never managed before, which is already a really tough

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Speaker 2: spot to be in an even tougher spot by giving

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Speaker 2: him basically a well, we just won seventy two games

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Speaker 2: and now you've got to go figure it out on

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Speaker 2: a one year deals. We're not we don't really believe

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Speaker 2: in you, we don't really see you as a long

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Speaker 2: term guy. But you know, here, here's a here's a

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Speaker 2: you know, a flyer to see if you can pull

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Speaker 2: off a miracle. If not, then you know, we'll just

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Speaker 2: do this again next year with somebody else. And so

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Speaker 2: my initial takeaway is it's pretty clear that this is

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Speaker 2: a lockout, you know, anxiety or driven or whatever it is,

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Speaker 2: because I don't think Already wants to be paying a

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Speaker 2: the beginning of December of next year. So that that's

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Speaker 2: kind of the way I look at it. And I

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Speaker 2: also look at it as this is Perry's last shot too.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he's on a one year deal.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the only positive in this is that

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Speaker 2: if you were to hire an Albert pool Holes on

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Speaker 2: guy like Perry on a as a lame duck GM,

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Speaker 2: I mean you're basically cutting him out of the whole process.

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Speaker 2: You're you're basically just making Albert the GM and giving

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Speaker 2: him the keys to the castle and the direct line

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Speaker 2: to Already. So everything with this organization is always very dysfunctional.

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Speaker 2: This is no different. But yeah, the one year deal

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Speaker 2: is just you're just punting the season before it begins.

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Speaker 2: It's as far as I'm aware. I mean, listen, they could,

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Speaker 2: they could pull off a miracle. I'm always waiting for

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Speaker 2: someone to come and clip one of my comments on

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Speaker 2: the show when they actually pull it off and are good.

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Speaker 2: But uh, you know, I just I don't believe in it, don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's good process and I don't think

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Speaker 2: especially someone like Curtis, who's really young, who with most

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Speaker 2: of the guys on this team, or a lot of

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Speaker 2: the guys on this team were teammates with him on

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Speaker 2: the Angels or elsewhere. It's just a weird dynamic to

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Speaker 2: step into on a one year deal.

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Speaker 3: Sam, you can write into the contract, by the way,

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Speaker 3: you don't get paid during a lockout for coaches, And

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Speaker 3: there are teams that paid their people and teams that didn't.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know that I necessarily agree with that.

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Speaker 3: My bigger question is is Suzuki just wanted to be

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Speaker 3: a big league manager that badly? Because I can't believe

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Speaker 3: I know he's He had the quote, I was on

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Speaker 3: one year deals my whole career, but gosh, like he

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Speaker 3: knows going into this, Perry's on a one year deal.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna take a one year deal because if something

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Speaker 3: I'm gone too, Like, I don't know, it just seems

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Speaker 4: I guess managing is that much fun, I guess.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there's only thirty of these jobs,

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Speaker 2: so it's like that I think, is that is kind

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Speaker 2: sure Kurt is probably thinking I want to be a

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Speaker 2: and so that might be kind of what he's thinking.

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Speaker 2: I'm if I had to guess that that's kind of

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Speaker 2: you know, it's not the kind of thing already's going

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Speaker 2: hard to pinpoint exactly why they decided to go on

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Speaker 2: this isn't something that like the Angels are one of

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Speaker 2: Baker signing a one year deal with an option twenty

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Speaker 2: you know, during that scandal, when he was also seventy

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Speaker 2: didn't really matter. I don't think that will be the

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Speaker 2: case here unless the angel start out red hot, Sam.

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Speaker 4: Easiest question I'll ever ask you. Do you have air

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And it's on way too often.

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Speaker 4: I will say, Okay, that sounds like a better answer

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Speaker 4: than you got from perrimin Asia. And can you explain

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Speaker 4: what you learn from the not cryptic answers, but the

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Speaker 4: with Perry, which you kindly blessed us all.

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Speaker 2: With thank you. Yeah, I mean, listen, that's not a

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Speaker 2: why are you asking? He always says that's a question

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Speaker 2: but you know, it's it's that's his prerogative, he doesn't.

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Speaker 2: I think this is reflect The reason I put it

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Speaker 2: the way Perry goes about it in particular, which is

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Speaker 2: smiling about it. It's just, to me, is not the

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Speaker 2: which is this is this is not just about air

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Speaker 2: you know, Kevin Pillar on your program, obviously brought up

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Speaker 2: It was, you know, a long time veteran of the

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Speaker 2: in my five years, is a GM you're not willing

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Speaker 2: to ask those questions, which it doesn't always feel like

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Speaker 2: again next year, in the year after that, and as

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Speaker 2: long as you're in that job. So uh yeah, I

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Speaker 2: just I think it was reflective of larger issues. And

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Speaker 2: you know, we saw that they obviously posted a job

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Speaker 2: if somebody meant to me that they were reposting it

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Speaker 2: information is to if that interaction led to them posting

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Speaker 3: Hey, listen, First of all, the h fact thing was

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Speaker 3: awesome that it just it just happened, happened to coincide

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Speaker 3: should know that the players need air conditioning. He was

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Speaker 3: so he should have an HVAC guy on speed dial.

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Speaker 4: And if the players complain.

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Speaker 3: As a former clubhouse guy, there shouldn't be a question

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Speaker 3: because most clubhouse guys don't tell players know because then

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, from all I understand, I think the Angels

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Speaker 4: I never said that.

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Speaker 3: I said he was a former clubhouse guy. Oh well,

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like I'm saying, Perry the clubhouse people

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Speaker 3: and I've always been awesome, But what I'm saying is

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Speaker 3: Perry is a former clubhouse guy. When the player complains

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Speaker 3: about something, they usually say, yes, how do I fix

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Speaker 4: Whatever it is?

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Speaker 1: But he asked I saw, yeah, yeah, you can do it.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not complaining about the Angels clubhouse people at all.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying Perry should know, like, yes, you say, Kakuchi,

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Speaker 3: if you want air conditioning tomorrow, it'll be forty two

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Speaker 2: And the thing is, I mean, listen, like the what

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Speaker 2: I think is kind of lost in this is in

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Speaker 2: the last. This was the last game of the Sea,

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Speaker 2: last game of the season four Kakuchi would he exited

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Speaker 2: after five I believe, scoreless innings and in the middle

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Speaker 2: Don't I don't see it. And I don't know if

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Speaker 1: One year manager contract is despicable. The entire sports should

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Speaker 1: So and that's why we got you on which we

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Speaker 1: were happy to do. We were waiting to talk to

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Speaker 1: you about it better than us. You're inside court covering

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Speaker 1: this great work, Sam, And for anyone that wants more info,

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Speaker 1: there's a ton Just google Sam Blum the Athletic.

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Speaker 3: It's a bad look, though. It's just a bad it's

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Speaker 3: a bad look. It's a bad look of course for

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Speaker 3: the organization. I mean, he's going to carry for a

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Speaker 3: long this has been going on for a long know,

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Speaker 3: it's just going to get a shame. It's a shame.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 3: First of all, obviously the loss of life is a shame.

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Speaker 3: Start with that, Yeah, but then the whole thing after me. Now,

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Speaker 3: family's got to go through it again. And I mean,

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Speaker 3: this is just this is this is tough, man. This

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Speaker 3: is every time I see this stuff, I'm just like, gosh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't want to be going through this.

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Speaker 3: Mike Trout's up there, you know, Mike Trout's up there

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Speaker 3: on the stand testifying about a former teammate kind of

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Speaker 3: against his team.

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Speaker 1: They're asking him if he's good or not, like if

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Speaker 1: he yeah, like.

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Speaker 3: You have made the All Star team?

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Speaker 2: Like what Mike Trout is the only Mike Trod has

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Speaker 2: a shrine up of Tyler Skaggs next to his locker,

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Speaker 2: and it's really the only memorial of Tyler Skaggs at

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Speaker 2: the ballpark which did come up at in the trial

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Speaker 2: as well from one of the other PR people. But

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Speaker 2: you know, I think that is something I've taken away

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Speaker 2: from this, you know, outside of everything is you know,

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Speaker 2: you have a lot of these these regular people who

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Speaker 2: are having to come and testify and who are probably

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Speaker 2: under a lot of pressure to say it's certain things,

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Speaker 2: and it's it's just really tough. You know, There's been

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Speaker 2: a lot of tears shed in that court room in

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Speaker 2: the last you know, three weeks, by witnesses, by the family.

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Speaker 2: You feel for them a lot. I feel for Mike

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Speaker 2: Trout because it's, like you said, it's it's really not

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Speaker 2: an easy thing to uh, to be asked to do that.

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Speaker 2: And uh, you know, I don't want to put the

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Speaker 2: an I don't want to criticize the Angels on this

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Speaker 2: front because they're fighting. They're fighting a lawsuit has brought

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Speaker 2: against them, and I understand they're that that that right.

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Speaker 2: So but yeah, it's a it's a tough look and

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, I don't know what the what

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Speaker 2: the fallout will be once this is all said and done,

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Speaker 2: I think it could be significant.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we'll have you back as more things happen

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Speaker 1: and come out of that case, Sam, thanks for stopping by.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you. Thanks for doing the work there.

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Speaker 1: I know it's not easy.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. You guys