Speaker 1: I was trying to watch that new movie Straw. I
Speaker 1: don't seem that yet.
Speaker 2: Yes, that movie took me on a roller coaster ride.
Speaker 1: Don't no spoilers. I only got like fifteen minutes in.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to keep watching, Like.
Speaker 3: Oh, well, I have thoughts. So I went to go
Speaker 3: and watch it, and then I said, I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: do this.
Speaker 1: So because you started it and you, like me, were like,
Speaker 1: this is painful.
Speaker 3: Thank you. So I appreciate what Tyler Perry is doing
Speaker 3: in terms of amplifying black stories, in terms of paying
Speaker 3: black women more, but I'm not gonna lie. I'm tired
Speaker 3: of the struggling, troubled or yeah, and as a single mother,
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to sit down and watch that trauma.
Speaker 3: You know, Like, the world's stressful enough right now. I
Speaker 3: don't need to watch that. I don't.
Speaker 1: Hey bea fan. Welcome to the Brown Table. I can't
Speaker 1: believe it's only been a week since we were with y'all.
Speaker 1: It feels like it's been a year and so much
Speaker 1: has happened. But what can I say. I'm so grateful
Speaker 1: to have another week with the BAFAM and we have
Speaker 1: some incredible brand new faces. Last week I went ham.
Speaker 1: I had three panelists on the show. It was so fun,
Speaker 1: brand new voices for the BA fam. We had Alexa
Speaker 1: Brooks Major from The Financial Diet. We had Evy Saint
Speaker 1: Louis from Blavity look at me and my recall my memory.
Speaker 1: And he was a third one. John Quillin Hill JQ
Speaker 1: from The Voxes explain it to me. Please be a fam.
Speaker 1: After you listen to this episode, go catch up because
Speaker 1: I'm loving having, first of all, meeting some new friends
Speaker 1: and just invite y'all to come hang out with me
Speaker 1: on the internet. It's fun and I have I've tricked
Speaker 1: two more incredible women to join me at the Brown
Speaker 1: table and here they are. They said, Yes, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: I have got look at me. I almost said, han
Speaker 1: Naia Okay, okay, you say your name.
Speaker 2: I have the Grio reporter, Yes, Anya Philogeen. I'm so
Speaker 2: excited to be here with you guys today.
Speaker 1: What a beautiful Anya religion. And we have Elizabeth Ayola Yes,
Speaker 1: Aola Iola Yes from Nerve while it's Smart Money Podcast.
Speaker 1: Welcome ladies. Hi, how are you feeling? I already gave
Speaker 1: you my little like might be cool, be cool with
Speaker 1: pep talk, which probably stressed me out more than if
Speaker 1: I hadn't.
Speaker 4: I feel great. I feel great now we're good.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I feel pretty good too. I'm not a
Speaker 3: coffee drinker TMI, but I tried a coffee this morning
Speaker 3: because I was uplate self stoptaging, and I actually feel
Speaker 3: quite energized.
Speaker 1: So oh, okay, any shakes, Let's see the hands right right.
Speaker 1: I don't usually drink coffee.
Speaker 4: So if we see her jitterating me, is.
Speaker 1: That because you did your own braids? Are those microbraids?
Speaker 4: Even?
Speaker 1: Because that is insane?
Speaker 3: I love small, long, but length braids. So it took
Speaker 3: me to braid these braids longer than usual, about ten
Speaker 3: to twelve hours, so I spent my entire Saturday. But
Speaker 3: The Godfather of Harlem is it cop Fathers? I started
Speaker 3: watching that and that kept me entertained while I braided?
Speaker 1: Is that with the ugandaan? He's not from Uganda? You
Speaker 1: know how? I'm talking about the actor.
Speaker 3: The main character. I wish I could tell you his name,
Speaker 3: but he's definitely a popular I've seen him in many movies.
Speaker 1: Right, he was a Uganda president movie?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: Yes? Yes?
Speaker 1: What is it? Blood?
Speaker 3: Diamond. No, that was anyway. I know, I know the
Speaker 3: one you're talking about. I watched that movie.
Speaker 1: He was the director of Waiting to Exhale. Why can
Speaker 1: I not think? Why can't wait listen?
Speaker 3: It's not Forest Whittaker, right, Finally I guess the actor's name.
Speaker 1: But now I'm panicked. I don't know anyway, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter BA fan fact check us. But you're watching that. Well,
Speaker 1: your hair looks amazing. How do your shoulders.
Speaker 3: Feel, honey, My shoulders are fine. It's my fingertips that
Speaker 3: really suffered. And you know, I'm in my mid thirties,
Speaker 3: so to lower back, you know, but I think it's
Speaker 3: all worth it.
Speaker 1: You know how much did you save? How much they
Speaker 1: charged down in textas?
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, you know. So every time I'm about
Speaker 3: to braid my hair, I go like, just get somebody
Speaker 3: else to do it, And then I start going into
Speaker 3: Facebook groups and on Instagram and I have not seen
Speaker 3: a braider charge. And these are quite small, as you
Speaker 3: can see, any less than three point fifty and that's
Speaker 3: for medium and jumbo size. So if I wanted them
Speaker 3: this size, I could be paying around four hundred bucks.
Speaker 3: And ain't nobody got time for that.
Speaker 1: So that's forty bucks an hour. Yeah, yeah, I could see.
Speaker 1: That's very economical.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I get it. I used to braid hair
Speaker 3: actually for people, and it does take a while.
Speaker 1: It is a lot of time.
Speaker 3: Now however, I'm still not paying that. I'm sorry, not
Speaker 3: yet anyway, not at this season in my life.
Speaker 1: Anya, do you have protective style? What's your what's your
Speaker 1: summer protective style of choice?
Speaker 4: Usually I'm actually looking like Elizabeth. I love a good
Speaker 4: bus down braid. Sometimes it's a color I don't know.
Speaker 4: But see, I got blessed one am I very very
Speaker 4: good friends. She braids hair, so she does my hair.
Speaker 4: Now I still pay her. I still pay her a
Speaker 4: reasonable wage, but it is a lot less than what
Speaker 4: they charge in the braiding chops. And she actually cares
Speaker 4: about my hair. It's kind of like our hangout time,
Speaker 4: like we literally will turn on a series of shows
Speaker 4: and just catch up Kiki braid. I'll be there until
Speaker 4: three o'clock in the morning sometimes and it's okay though,
Speaker 4: because like that's my sister.
Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe I should get my hair braided because
Speaker 1: for me, I've only done it once, can you believe?
Speaker 3: Oh wow?
Speaker 1: Once? And it was a few years ago. I did.
Speaker 1: They were beautiful. I love the braids, but my butt
Speaker 1: was so tired.
Speaker 3: And the sitting, the sitting.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what was worse the I Actually,
Speaker 1: you guys, I paid to have them take them out too,
Speaker 1: which I know you would like get a cousin smart.
Speaker 1: And still my cousin like she only took them out,
Speaker 1: and I was so tired. I was like, don't even
Speaker 1: worry about washing combing it, like I'm getting the hell
Speaker 1: out of here. I have my cousin Anna like degunkify
Speaker 1: it because I guess like all the product and you know,
Speaker 1: goods stuff, the good and glorious stuff. But no, I
Speaker 1: was scarred for life. So I do a wash and go,
Speaker 1: and if you're fancy, I would do like a curly
Speaker 1: bang and a puffball.
Speaker 3: That's my well, what works for you works for you,
Speaker 3: you know so truly.
Speaker 1: But I have children, y'all sound like you ain't got
Speaker 1: no kids.
Speaker 3: I have a kid. He is seven, Okay, I do
Speaker 3: old enough?
Speaker 1: Okay, old enough to entertain?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, you have.
Speaker 1: A seven year old.
Speaker 3: I have a seven year old. My little baby, yes,
Speaker 3: my little my little love buck.
Speaker 1: Oh they're all struggling.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's so affectionate and it's so sweet and I
Speaker 3: love him so much. And he's also very annoying. So
Speaker 3: I did to throw that out there, you.
Speaker 1: See, like your little I do there. They are very
Speaker 1: annoying and they know it and you just but I
Speaker 1: annoy him back. See, he doesn't know Mama was a
Speaker 1: little sister. So I know how to be just as
Speaker 1: annoying as he does.
Speaker 4: What about you, Anya, I do not have any kids,
Speaker 4: Iron Team, no kids. I'm living in my beautiful twenties
Speaker 4: and keep it that way.
Speaker 1: My niece, what's the like chaotic? Every day?
Speaker 4: Every day it feels like halfway existential crisis, halfway like, oh,
Speaker 4: but I have time. But then social media is like, oh,
Speaker 4: you don't have time. The world's like you don't have time.
Speaker 4: I'm just taking a day by day.
Speaker 3: They're all lying, they are all.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel when I get on TikTok and Homegirls,
Speaker 1: like today I'm harvesting my tomatoes from the garden. But
Speaker 1: she's in a different zone than me. My tomatoes won't
Speaker 1: be ready until like August, you know. But just to
Speaker 1: carry this plant metaphor, I'm saying it's not. We're all
Speaker 1: on our own journeys in the garden of life, and
Speaker 1: time is an illusion sometimes heavy on this. Sometimes your
Speaker 1: twenties have a way being permanent. So you just be careful.
Speaker 3: Listen, listen. That's the conversation for another day.
Speaker 1: But yesterday's turning into five and seven year olds poking
Speaker 1: you in the ribs while you're trying to sleep, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're very careful about that on this side, very
Speaker 4: very careful. Not yet.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all right, Well, I want bea fan to
Speaker 1: get to know y'all a little bit. Elizabeth, you're in Texas, Anya,
Speaker 1: where are you at?
Speaker 2: I am in the DMV area.
Speaker 4: Now, if anybody is a DMV native, they're gonna be like,
Speaker 4: oh no, no, no, no, no, I'm in northern Virginia.
Speaker 4: I'm in like the Alexandria area. But you know, depending
Speaker 4: on who you talk to, that's not a part of
Speaker 4: the DC Maryland Virginia conglomerate.
Speaker 1: I'm always gagged by the DMV thing. There's three whole states.
Speaker 1: They're not small. Yeah, how y'all got lump them all together?
Speaker 1: I mean, DC is not really a state. Okay, fair, but.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, here's the thing. It's like, it's not all
Speaker 4: of Virginia that's included in that. It's usually like northern Virginia.
Speaker 4: The way they do it is if you can take
Speaker 4: the Metro, you can be considered into the DMV. Now,
Speaker 4: the reason why Northern Virginia is kind of like a
Speaker 4: it's the cousin that they kind of include but don't
Speaker 4: really include, is because they just introduced the Silver Line,
Speaker 4: like not that it's like not too long ago. Like
Speaker 4: the Silver Line feels very new, and that's the main
Speaker 4: line that connected the like some of the more prominent
Speaker 4: parts of Northern Virginia to DC.
Speaker 2: Before that, again, the car get on that highway.
Speaker 1: So yeah, only good things happened on the Silver Line.
Speaker 1: Everyone's optimistic on the Silver Line. Right, We'll say that
Speaker 1: are you from there originally?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Literally, born and raised out here, but then I
Speaker 4: went to school in New York and came back here.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and what about elizabeth A, you're from Texas.
Speaker 3: It's complicated.
Speaker 1: So I told us you have a really amazing life story,
Speaker 1: so we need to get into it. But it can't
Speaker 1: take the next hour.
Speaker 3: You're only gonna have to rate me. Yes, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: bullet point. But I am not from Texas. I am
Speaker 3: a British, American and Nigerian. So I actually moved from
Speaker 3: the UK five years ago. Well back, because I also
Speaker 3: moved from the UK to the US when I was seven,
Speaker 3: and then I left when I was seventeen after I
Speaker 3: ran away from home and my parents were like, yeah,
Speaker 3: America's not good for you. We're shipping you back to London.
Speaker 3: So then I basically did my you know what we
Speaker 3: call sixth form over there. I'm not sorry, sure, From
Speaker 3: seventeen to about twenty one, I lived in the UK.
Speaker 3: So after I finish my undergrad I was like, you know,
Speaker 3: the Western world sucks because I did it on globalization
Speaker 3: its effects on the Nigerian economy, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm moving back to Nigeria and I'm going to make
Speaker 3: a difference. So I spent all my twenties in Nigeria
Speaker 3: and then I got married and I moved back to
Speaker 3: the UK at twenty seven, and then I moved back
Speaker 3: here five years ago and I'm divorced now.
Speaker 1: So holy crap, that did feel like, so is your
Speaker 1: where's your baby from? Where's his citizenship?
Speaker 3: He's just like his mama. We have tri citizenship, so WO.
Speaker 1: Got the combo pack.
Speaker 3: I love it way if you talk to me long enough,
Speaker 3: Some things that I say sound British, I had. I
Speaker 3: once had a friend who called me three accents. So
Speaker 3: you'll hear. Yeah, you'll hear the Nigerian. Sometimes the American
Speaker 3: and the British come out. It just depends on who
Speaker 3: I'm talking to and what I'm talking about. I hear that.
Speaker 1: I was just in London actually, and I went to Yeah,
Speaker 1: I went to see Beyonce and everyone said my accent
Speaker 1: was trash. But I watch a lot of Love Island
Speaker 1: that is education the UK count stand the Americans. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's quite nice. You're joking maybe
Speaker 1: because like we were just obnoxious Beyonce fans in London,
Speaker 1: like they were probably Sigas, just like running those streets crazy.
Speaker 1: But I went to this really good Nigerian spot called Okara. Okay.
Speaker 1: It's it's next to Borough Market, so it was very
Speaker 1: it was kind of touristy, but it was It was
Speaker 1: cool because you go through this insane market which is
Speaker 1: just like like just buzzing with people everywhere, and one
Speaker 1: of our Ba fam Yeah, b r FAM listeners to Kumbo,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. She invited me and my my
Speaker 1: friends to this restaurant and I was like, of course,
Speaker 1: i'll meet you stranger, and so she took me. So
Speaker 1: it was like having a It was like having a
Speaker 1: guide and to Kumbo, shout out to her. She she
Speaker 1: does like curated West African cuisine, kind of like food
Speaker 1: events in the London area. It was dope. I got
Speaker 1: to try. Well okara is the is the black bean
Speaker 1: fritter or no black eyed pea for black kara?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I grew up eating that a lot. It is
Speaker 3: made because yes, it's made of beans and then you
Speaker 3: fry it. I used to make that once upon a time.
Speaker 3: But pretty good, would you think?
Speaker 1: I thought it was really delicious. It was definitely upscale.
Speaker 1: It was like it was like West African street food
Speaker 1: and like upscale. So I'm sure it's the kind of
Speaker 1: food that you would probably pay, you know, like we
Speaker 1: would for you know, taco truck food. Yes, but it
Speaker 1: was very delicious and they Oh I had the best
Speaker 1: cocktail when I was there. What was it called the kojo?
Speaker 1: What else did I eat there?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 1: I can remember? I mean, did I say at Kara kara. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll never.
Speaker 3: Say it, right, I know, And that's okay. It effort counts,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and there's a little bit of Caribbean influence too.
Speaker 1: We have some plantain dish. Oh and we had this
Speaker 1: giant fish that poor guy guys I think it was
Speaker 1: a supreme I don't know. It was big and round
Speaker 1: and very dramatic, but it was lovely. I had such
Speaker 1: a good time. I'm glad in London.
Speaker 3: It's been a year since I've gone, but me and
Speaker 3: my son are going to go in October. So I've
Speaker 3: just been craving some fish and chips. I'm looking forward
Speaker 3: to that.
Speaker 1: Well, then, how the hell did you end up a
Speaker 1: nerd Wallet of All Places podcast?
Speaker 3: Okay, another bullet points. Okay, so I actually do not
Speaker 3: have a journalism background, per se. I started writing poems
Speaker 3: when I was I don't know, twenty something, and then
Speaker 3: when I moved to Nigeria, I was supposed to get
Speaker 3: a job in waste management. However that didn't work out.
Speaker 3: So I was looking for a job for almost a
Speaker 3: year and someone was like, hey, want to edit a
Speaker 3: job and things are a little bit more flexible, you know,
Speaker 3: Nigeria in terms of qualifications and things like that.
Speaker 1: So we're in Nigeria now, okay, in Lego, sir.
Speaker 3: So it's like, well, I've never been an editor, but
Speaker 3: I've written poems. I don't know if that relates, but
Speaker 3: let me try it, you know. And that is basically
Speaker 3: how my journalism or you know, journey started. So I
Speaker 3: started out as an editor, then I would write to
Speaker 3: and fast forward when I moved back to London. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: the Western world don't really be respecting Nigerian qualifications and
Speaker 3: work experience, so I kind of almost had to start
Speaker 3: back from scratch. And then I got a job at
Speaker 3: a buy now pay later loan company. So and I
Speaker 3: got that job on accident because I went in there
Speaker 3: trying to work at a call center and they were like, hey,
Speaker 3: we see on your resume you've done some writing, so
Speaker 3: we have a job open. I was like, okay, great.
Speaker 3: So that was my first kind of Western experience writing
Speaker 3: and from there writing what about money? So just writing
Speaker 3: about money, personal finance.
Speaker 1: Really content. Oh sorry I should have been Yeah, you
Speaker 1: were writing content. You were doing like SEO content probably
Speaker 1: exactly how to get a buy now, payloadit later. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: Then I went down the content mills, which are awful,
Speaker 3: you know, just to kind of get some experience. And
Speaker 3: then I landed my first big gig and Pop Sugar,
Speaker 3: and I wrote for Pop Sugar for some time and
Speaker 3: then I just started getting more and more bylines. Fast
Speaker 3: forward to moving to the US. I worked at a
Speaker 3: nonprofit who for addiction, Yes, nonprofit for addiction. I wrote
Speaker 3: for them. Then I went to another company. And then
Speaker 3: when I was at the other company, I was at
Speaker 3: my desk and I was like, I want to work
Speaker 3: from home, and then something just came in me. I
Speaker 3: think it was the spirit, and it was like, Hey,
Speaker 3: look at nerd Wallet's website and see if they have
Speaker 3: any openings. And that's where that journey began. So what
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have a co host, So tell me
Speaker 1: a little bit about tellbaf'm about the Smart Money podcast.
Speaker 1: This m should be other than the fact that I
Speaker 1: was on it recently, because.
Speaker 3: We are your financial besties, and I know that money
Speaker 3: can feel like a mystery to a lot of people.
Speaker 3: It feels very complicated and overwhelming. But we do our
Speaker 3: best to break down complex money issues and make them
Speaker 3: easy to understand. You know so, and I find so
Speaker 3: much joy in doing that because a part I left
Speaker 3: out about my career journey is I started writing about
Speaker 3: personal finance because I was on a personal journey to
Speaker 3: try to achieve financial freedom. And you know, a lot
Speaker 3: of the times when we want to learn something new
Speaker 3: I don't know about y'all, you know, it kind of
Speaker 3: goes like, well, I'm going to take time to start
Speaker 3: studying this thing, but you never get around to doing
Speaker 3: it because you're busy. And I was like, well, since
Speaker 3: I have to work full time, maybe I should get
Speaker 3: a job writing about money since I was already writing,
Speaker 3: so then I have to learn on the job. So
Speaker 3: that's actually how I ended up writing about money. So
Speaker 3: but point being, it's such a joy to think about
Speaker 3: where I was maybe seven years ago, eight years ago,
Speaker 3: knowing nothing about money, to how much I've learned, and
Speaker 3: to be able to share that information with other people
Speaker 3: so that they can get themselves out of the trenches,
Speaker 3: hopefully if they're in some financial trenches and experience more
Speaker 3: financial freedom.
Speaker 1: So, oh, okay, I want to talk more about financial
Speaker 1: freedom and that whole concept. But Anya, I want to
Speaker 1: hear about your career journey Oh, no, pressure, you don't
Speaker 1: have to take us across oceans or anything like that.
Speaker 2: I was about to say, I'm part of the story.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's as exciting.
Speaker 1: It's probably closer to mine. I went to school to
Speaker 1: do something, and then I did that thing exactly.
Speaker 4: But I feel like in journalism, though it's almost like
Speaker 4: now that feels like such a rare story. A lot
Speaker 4: of people that I've met or that I've talked to,
Speaker 4: they didn't necessarily study journalism. So I was a part
Speaker 4: of that group that I went to Syracuse. I studied
Speaker 4: magazine news and digital journalism, with a focus on digital
Speaker 4: journalism because naturally we know the attention.
Speaker 2: Span for magazines is slowly dwindling.
Speaker 1: Wait, I'm shocked. What year did you graduate?
Speaker 4: I usually don't discuss that, no, just because I usually
Speaker 4: don't like people knowing too much about my age because
Speaker 4: then it turns into a thing. But I did graduate
Speaker 4: fairly recently, in the last five years.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I have no like, that's amazing. I don't
Speaker 1: think I was just asking because I'm just shocked that
Speaker 1: because I thought I was the last journalism graduate who
Speaker 1: was like allowed to study magazines because they were like
Speaker 1: dead by the time I graduated an nine, which was like,
Speaker 1: you know, the recession be don't know, but that was
Speaker 1: when I know a little bit. Newspapers and magazine print
Speaker 1: was like on its way out, and everyone they brought
Speaker 1: to my college to talk about it was so depressed.
Speaker 1: They were like, yeah, graduate, go build your career. By
Speaker 1: the way, anyone hiring let me know, because the speakers like,
Speaker 1: we are about to lose our jobs. But that's in
Speaker 1: Syracuse has a really great journalism program. But anyway, I
Speaker 1: hope that you learned all the things that you know
Speaker 1: are useful. You're at the grio now, so let's taught
Speaker 1: you something good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, definitely, I will say I was a part
Speaker 4: of the year. I'll say the year graduated in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty two. I want to say the year the year
Speaker 4: before that, they had just like kind of pivoted the
Speaker 4: magazine program to magazine news and digital journalism because okay,
Speaker 4: they knew they had to kind of like involve add
Speaker 4: a lot more to it. Take don't quote me on
Speaker 4: that timeline, but essentially they taught us everything like from
Speaker 4: podcast productions to magazine writing, online writing. They said, you
Speaker 4: have to be a jack of all trades to be
Speaker 4: ready to go out into this industry, as I'm sure
Speaker 4: we all know. So, Yeah, graduated. I was an intern
Speaker 4: at Forbes for like two years back to back immediately
Speaker 4: after graduation, and then I landed at the Crayo and
Speaker 4: I've been here ever since doing what I love, which
Speaker 4: is covering all things black and black, black.
Speaker 2: Black period.
Speaker 3: I love that incredible journey because you know, you are
Speaker 3: one of the few, let me not say a few,
Speaker 3: but reliable sources that we have left because now we
Speaker 3: have journalism muddled with social media influencers, no shade muddled
Speaker 3: with you know, you know, so it's nice to see
Speaker 3: people who have read some of them deserve them shade.
Speaker 3: I ain't want to be the one to say it
Speaker 3: so much shade that you can't even see them anymore, Well,
Speaker 3: crowd them out.
Speaker 1: No, I love that I'm getting to chat with you
Speaker 1: this early in your career. Listen, like being an elder
Speaker 1: millennial and having started my career at a magazine like
Speaker 1: you know, back in twenty ten, I moved to New
Speaker 1: York and it's just you're gonna go on such a ride.
Speaker 1: The Grio is probably just the first stop on you
Speaker 1: know the path to many different publications and it will
Speaker 1: be fun. I'll get to introduce you every couple of years.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to encourage you, but I am. I mean,
Speaker 1: Elizabeth knows this. I tell people to quit like all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to do that.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of well, yeah, we love a pivot.
Speaker 3: This is true period.
Speaker 1: But actually having like real people humans, especially in the
Speaker 1: age of bots two like writing content. So the way
Speaker 1: that I found you, Anya was through your story on
Speaker 1: basically like the Target boycott and what was coming next
Speaker 1: and calls for black Americans. First of all, proud. I
Speaker 1: don't know. You probably have to be like objective or
Speaker 1: whatever as a journalist, but I don't have to because
Speaker 1: it's my bob. So yeah, fuck Target. I don't shop
Speaker 1: there anymore. I'll get sponsored by someone else. It's fine,
Speaker 1: haven't shopped there in months. And I was interested because
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard about the Dollar General boycott. So do
Speaker 1: you cover a lot of like news about like the
Speaker 1: retail backlash in this postdi attack era?
Speaker 4: I thought people I cover a little bit of everything nowadays,
Speaker 4: but my official title is lifestyle, So because of that,
Speaker 4: like inn at the grio that encompasses a lot of
Speaker 4: things beauty, fashion, business, culture, like all those things. So yes,
Speaker 4: I've definitely found myself covering a lot of that, a
Speaker 4: lot of people's reactions, and just as more and more
Speaker 4: details have come up in terms of like Target announcing
Speaker 4: that like oh, they saw a decrease in foot traffic
Speaker 4: and they are now warning their stakeholders about like hey,
Speaker 4: this may be a thing that causes more of an
Speaker 4: issue down the line. Those are things that I've definitely
Speaker 4: been covering as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, hey, ba fam, We're going to take a
Speaker 1: quick break, pay some bills, and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: All right, ba fam, We're back. So are we boycotting
Speaker 1: Dollar General? Like what's happening?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 4: So yes, as a short answer, yes, long answer though,
Speaker 4: it's a little bit more complicated, which I think, like personally, objectively,
Speaker 4: I think this is a very.
Speaker 2: Interesting approach to it.
Speaker 4: So, as we know, Jamal Bryant, he leaded the forty
Speaker 4: day Fast, the forty day target Fast, which became indefinite,
Speaker 4: and he recently announced that he was doing that we
Speaker 4: should be doing a Dollar General boycott in response to
Speaker 4: the fact that Dollar General, despite black consumers making up
Speaker 4: their main market and then also being in a lot
Speaker 4: of black communities, black neighborhoods. There's apparently there's like a
Speaker 4: Dollar General in like five miles of seventy five percent
Speaker 4: of American neighborhoods. So Dollar General is everywhere, but they
Speaker 4: hold back on their DEI initiatives and their practices and
Speaker 4: have not necessarily been serving the key demographics that.
Speaker 2: Have been giving them money.
Speaker 4: So because of that, Jamal Bryant announced a Dollar General boycott.
Speaker 4: But the like, I think the caveat in there that
Speaker 4: I really appreciated is the fact that he acknowledged that
Speaker 4: Dollar Generals, a lot of them feed into food deserts, right,
Speaker 4: and they are in for a lot of communities, dollar
Speaker 4: General is the only place they can go to to
Speaker 4: get produced, to get groceries, whether that is because of
Speaker 4: economic challenges or because of the simple fact that there
Speaker 4: are no grocery stores within a ten mile radius of
Speaker 4: their house. So, with that being said, while he does
Speaker 4: encourage people who do have other options to shop to
Speaker 4: stop shopping at Dollar General, he is also like kind
Speaker 4: of pushing for a more virtual protest as well, in
Speaker 4: case like, if Dollar General is your only option to
Speaker 4: shop there by all means you know, eat you can't starve,
Speaker 4: but also encouraging on social media to you know, boycott,
Speaker 4: highlighting the issues.
Speaker 2: And what they are not doing, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So yeah, is that what it's like? We're part of Texas?
Speaker 1: Are you? And Elizabeth? Who?
Speaker 3: I'm in sugar Land. I'm in the suburbs.
Speaker 1: See the little pops? I don't know. I can't pop
Speaker 1: my lips like what.
Speaker 3: You say every time.
Speaker 1: That's a little like, I don't know. It's Nigeria and pop?
Speaker 1: Oh me do it?
Speaker 4: You know what?
Speaker 3: I've been doing this all my life and let me
Speaker 3: be about to tell a story. Honey, pop is happening?
Speaker 1: Okay, but have you ever mastered it? I don't know
Speaker 1: what's wrong with me.
Speaker 3: I don't even realize I'm doing it.
Speaker 1: So since my Wisconsin, my background, my cousin's librarian, and
Speaker 1: she does it so good? You just remember. But go ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead. Sugar Land, sugar baby, Where do you live?
Speaker 3: Sugar Land?
Speaker 1: Yes, it's such sugar Land? Okay? So is it like?
Speaker 1: What's it like out there in the burbs?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Is dollar General as big as it is? I feel
Speaker 1: like in Georgia, dollars like on the way to my
Speaker 1: dad's house, and he lives in south of Atlanta, and
Speaker 1: on the way to the Publics, which is like the
Speaker 1: big supermarket, there are two dollar generals. So really and
Speaker 1: truly he is, like I think, in that demographic, and
Speaker 1: he loves him a dollar general.
Speaker 3: Ask you all are talking. I just thought to myself,
Speaker 3: when is he from the last time I've been to
Speaker 3: a dollar dollar general. So to answer your question in
Speaker 3: my area, I do, honey, I'm not I'm not boogie.
Speaker 3: I like to save a dollar two.
Speaker 1: Okay, Americans are like London's posh.
Speaker 3: I know, honey. Okay, Look, Linday has so many ghettos.
Speaker 3: I grew up right next to them.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: He please, Okay, yeah, but no, there are not many
Speaker 3: dollar generals near me. There are dollar trees, but not
Speaker 3: many dollar generals. And I go up in the dollar tree,
Speaker 3: you know, when I need to get a little balloon
Speaker 3: or you know, some batteries or something.
Speaker 1: For cheese, sell cheap hot wheels tracks if your kids
Speaker 1: into that.
Speaker 3: Oh he was, but now the iPad has taken over,
Speaker 3: so I don't know, I know, but I only let
Speaker 3: him use it on the weekends. But still all week.
Speaker 3: He's fantasizing about that.
Speaker 1: I oh, really and truly well that I'm I'm first
Speaker 1: of all, I'm just like I'm listening to you, Anya,
Speaker 1: But I'm also like, god, damn, did I sound that
Speaker 1: eloquent when I was three years out of school?
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh you're just explaining things, remembering people's name.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: What do you? Okay? So I have to be I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to y'all. This is like way down
Speaker 1: on my list of things I wanted to chat about.
Speaker 1: But as you're talking, I was before earlier this afternoon,
Speaker 1: before my dad called me and pissed me off, telling
Speaker 1: me some health advice which he has no business giving me.
Speaker 1: Just raises my blood pressure. He interrupted me. I was
Speaker 1: trying to watch that new movie Straw with Taraji p Henson,
Speaker 1: and I think Tayana Taylor's in it. I don't seen
Speaker 1: that yet.
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Who was? Who said?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: I had you minimized on I'd seen it.
Speaker 2: Yes, that movie. That movie took me on a roller
Speaker 2: coaster ride.
Speaker 1: Don't no spoilers. I only got like fifteen minutes in.
Speaker 2: I won't spoil it.
Speaker 1: I'm only at the part it's trust the shirt out
Speaker 1: of me. I don't know if I want to keep watching, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: I loved the first have you seen it? What, Elizabeth,
Speaker 1: have you seen it yet? Well?
Speaker 3: I have thoughts, So I went to go and watch it,
Speaker 3: and then I said, I'm not gonna do this.
Speaker 1: So because you started it and you, like me, were like,
Speaker 1: this is painful.
Speaker 3: Thank you. So I appreciate what Tyler Perry is doing
Speaker 3: in terms of amplifying black stories, in terms of paying
Speaker 3: black women more, but I'm not gonna lie. I'm tired
Speaker 3: of the struggling, troubled or yah, and as a single mother,
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to sit down and watch that trauma.
Speaker 3: You know, Like, the world's stressful enough right now. I
Speaker 3: don't need. I don't need to watch that. I don't
Speaker 3: for what you know, So honestly, I probably am not
Speaker 3: gonna watch it. I still think people should watch it
Speaker 3: and support black films, and but for me personally, right now,
Speaker 3: TV is an escapism for me for everything happening in
Speaker 3: the world. I want to feel joyful when I watch things,
Speaker 3: and it's too close to home. I am in many
Speaker 3: mom groups and there are so many moms struggling. They
Speaker 3: are struggling financially, they are struggling with their mental health,
Speaker 3: They don't have any support. They are on the edge,
Speaker 3: and I just don't want to see that on TV.
Speaker 3: I don't. It's already happening all around me.
Speaker 1: So thanks for putting words to what I was processing it.
Speaker 1: And I was just I was like, I was in
Speaker 1: this very same chair and just going in. It just
Speaker 1: felt like my heart was being raked by hot coals.
Speaker 1: Just because you have to watch her endure in the
Speaker 1: first fifteen minutes, her child being taken away, her losing
Speaker 1: her job. I think, I just I think I got
Speaker 1: that far being denied at the bank, trying to Oh
Speaker 1: that bank part pissed me off. She's like a heartbreaking
Speaker 1: just all and it really is like it's like black
Speaker 1: women struggle porn. Yes, and I feel like I know,
Speaker 1: but it's been the number one movie on Netflix, apparently
Speaker 1: all these headlines have come out. Who's watching it, though?
Speaker 1: Are we?
Speaker 2: That's a really good question, because I.
Speaker 1: Think this is the kind of shit that people expect
Speaker 1: our stories to be.
Speaker 3: Thank you, and y'all see it every day, So why
Speaker 3: y'all need to watch it on the TV screen? You know?
Speaker 3: I signed up.
Speaker 1: They don't see it every day for them, For like
Speaker 1: people who don't look like us, this is like going
Speaker 1: to the zoo, like, ooh, a wild African American, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Because it's like this makes me think of two incidents
Speaker 3: where I've had recently where I just randomly meet you know,
Speaker 3: white people out having small talk. And I was at
Speaker 3: the museum the other day with the guy I'm dating,
Speaker 3: and a white couple starts talking to us, and you know,
Speaker 3: I mentioned that I'm a single mom and I have
Speaker 3: a membership for the museum, and then she tells me
Speaker 3: about this fancy restaurant and then she goes, that comes
Speaker 3: with it, you get a discount with the membership, and
Speaker 3: she goes, you know, but essentially because your single mom
Speaker 3: might be expensive for you, so you can try the
Speaker 3: cheaper one, basically the cafe with the you know, so
Speaker 3: people already have stereotypes and you know about what black
Speaker 3: single mom's lives are, right, and it is real to
Speaker 3: some extent, But we also don't need to keep perpetuating that,
Speaker 3: you know, Like I mean sound you know.
Speaker 1: I would have just been like, yeah, I'll mention that
Speaker 1: on my very popular podcast Smart Money Nerd.
Speaker 3: I am trying to do all that, but I might.
Speaker 2: Listen. Sometimes you have to let them know, you do
Speaker 2: have to kind.
Speaker 1: Of point that out.
Speaker 4: But I do think I think you have to a
Speaker 4: good question about who is watching it, and I think
Speaker 4: there are multiple types of viewers, because while I listen,
Speaker 4: I fully agree and respect you Elizabeth for not finishing it,
Speaker 4: because halfway through me and my friend were saying they
Speaker 4: were like, why are we watching this? Why are we
Speaker 4: putting ourselves through this? But we were too far in,
Speaker 4: we were invested in the story at that point. We
Speaker 4: had to make it through the end. Like I said,
Speaker 4: emotional roller coaster. But I do think on one end,
Speaker 4: Tyler Perry knows his audience, and I do think that
Speaker 4: there are some people. While some of us are like
Speaker 4: we need the escapism, there are some people who kind
Speaker 4: of there's that emotional like that that feeling of seeing
Speaker 4: yourself or seeing an experience that you recognize on screen,
Speaker 4: that is almost I think cathartic might be the word
Speaker 4: for that. That that's why they sit through it and
Speaker 4: they watch it and it can almost be seen as
Speaker 4: like a form of empowerment.
Speaker 2: Almost.
Speaker 4: Now I'm not saying that that is the case, for everyone,
Speaker 4: but I respect those that are like, listen, these are
Speaker 4: because there's been arguments about like, Okay, are we supposed
Speaker 4: to sweep these stories under the rug? Just because we
Speaker 4: know that it's a story, Does that mean we're not
Speaker 4: supposed to broadcast it? You know, And there's that argument.
Speaker 4: But then on the other end, you know, it's like,
Speaker 4: why do we keep showing the same stories? I think
Speaker 4: ultimately it's a testament to the fact that we need
Speaker 4: different black storytellers in these spaces. We need a diverse
Speaker 4: arrangement of variety, because we know the black experience is
Speaker 4: not monolithic. So with that being said, we need the
Speaker 4: Tyler Perry's to show to shine a light on that.
Speaker 4: We need the Easter Race to shine a light on this,
Speaker 4: We need the Ryan Coogler to shine a light on this,
Speaker 4: and so on and so forth, and hopefully as time
Speaker 4: goes on, we get more people that are doing that
Speaker 4: at the level that we've seen Tyler Perry.
Speaker 2: Do it at.
Speaker 4: Because I can't deny that he's had a very interesting
Speaker 4: and like almost unprecedented run in Hollywood and what he's
Speaker 4: been able to do in craft within himself.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I appreciate your perspective, I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what it's about. It's art, and it's like it's
Speaker 1: really how it makes you individually feel. And also I
Speaker 1: didn't even I mean, of course, Tyler Perry, he always
Speaker 1: becomes the We always have some form of this conversation
Speaker 1: when one of his films comes out and people are like,
Speaker 1: but we need him, And I wanted to talk to
Speaker 1: you all because it feels like so Sherry Shepherd I
Speaker 1: think was in the movie. She played the bank teller.
Speaker 1: I think she anyway the bank manager, but the manager. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so she's in the movie. And then of course, to
Speaker 1: rogiph part of me is just like, why can't we
Speaker 1: just when's the last time I saw to Roggie in
Speaker 1: a role where she just gets to be like a
Speaker 1: like not sense cookie, because she hasn't like I guess
Speaker 1: sugar sugar, sugar averyan color purple, but like like she
Speaker 1: doesn't get a lot of like the big, you know,
Speaker 1: powerhouse roles where she gets to be you know, just
Speaker 1: like a different, like you said, a different kind of
Speaker 1: story of a black woman. But she deserves because she's
Speaker 1: so I'm just tired of saying to Roggie and pain,
Speaker 1: you know, like Yeah, that's also me, Like I love
Speaker 1: her as a person so much, and she's such a
Speaker 1: good actress, that's seeing her in that much pain, it
Speaker 1: hurt me twice as much. I think in a way
Speaker 1: that's probably really telling why do I care whatever?
Speaker 3: You know, at the parallels, She's also was a single mom,
Speaker 3: you know, for most of the time where she took
Speaker 3: that movie right, So maybe that's why she's able to
Speaker 3: embody it so well.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, she did say that it wasn't
Speaker 4: hard for her to like connect with the character because
Speaker 4: she knew Jania's story, Like she's like, I recognize that story,
Speaker 4: So I think that's a part of it. She also
Speaker 4: ironically did an interview where she was saying, I can't
Speaker 4: remember I can't remember what movie.
Speaker 2: I can't remember what it was, But she.
Speaker 4: Was working with a director who essentially asked her what
Speaker 4: role she wanted to play. She picked the role of
Speaker 4: a girl who is a little bit more quiet, and
Speaker 4: the director was like, I'm glad you said that, because
Speaker 4: your eyes tell the story. And like, because of that,
Speaker 4: I think that may play a role into why we
Speaker 4: don't see her like playing certain things or she's always
Speaker 4: kind of in these like deep characters because she has
Speaker 4: this really beautiful ability to just she matches you in
Speaker 4: when when you're watching her, it's like, oh, this is
Speaker 4: not to ROGI Beansen, this is Jania.
Speaker 2: This is right.
Speaker 1: I'm watching the little girl to Raji and the adult
Speaker 1: Toagi at the same time. Have you ever noticed that
Speaker 1: Elizabeth being a mom? Like sometimes when I'm watching someone,
Speaker 1: i just imagine them as a little kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm like.
Speaker 1: This person is just a baby, Like they were just
Speaker 1: a baby going through all this.
Speaker 3: I've been thinking that about my parents a lot lately,
Speaker 3: you know, like they were once little kids.
Speaker 1: And have their own story in our season of forgiving
Speaker 1: them because they were just children.
Speaker 4: Dear last night, Yeah, getting there.
Speaker 3: Okay, It's been a flow, right, so as healing is
Speaker 3: a roller coaster, So there are times where I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is great and where you know, and then there
Speaker 3: are other times I'm like that was messed up.
Speaker 1: So mm hmmm, yeah, we got to skip past the
Speaker 1: whole Father's dave it all.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the reason I brought up Sherrie is because I
Speaker 1: think she was giving an interview and to Roji also
Speaker 1: said this, like Tyler Perry was one of the first
Speaker 1: directors to pay them really well as a filmmaker, and
Speaker 1: that I love for them. They deserve to get those checks,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But I agree, I hope that,
Speaker 1: Like when's Ava do Rene's next movie coming out? And
Speaker 1: Gina what is it? Gina blythe Prince. She directed The
Speaker 1: Women King and a bunch of other films, but she
Speaker 1: has a new What is Gina doing? Oh, she's doing
Speaker 1: The Children of Blood and Bone.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's exciting.
Speaker 1: That's like it's supposed to be. I think a dystopian
Speaker 1: like it doesn't it's not a specific country in Africa,
Speaker 1: but I think.
Speaker 4: It's like it was inspired by Ebo culture, like the
Speaker 4: author's Nigerian.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of lore behind that.
Speaker 3: But yes, yeah, I believe in touches on the religion
Speaker 3: or practice. But I actually have the book at home
Speaker 3: and I picked it up again. I've had it for
Speaker 3: years and write age three. I like the audiobook, but
Speaker 3: I heard it's good. Oh I can't do audiobook. I'm
Speaker 3: so old school. I'd like to feel it and touch
Speaker 3: it and underlie.
Speaker 1: So I just put that back down. When you're not
Speaker 1: interested in not novels are hard to get through well,
Speaker 1: what are y'all? Oh, there's so much Okay, So another thing,
Speaker 1: have y'all watched The Pit? Do you know that show
Speaker 1: on HBO? No you don't, Okay, So that's also kind
Speaker 1: of a hard to watch show. But just because I
Speaker 1: want to talk about this, it's an incredible show. I
Speaker 1: binged it. Well, I actually I couldn't binge it because
Speaker 1: it was like coming out live in the winter. But
Speaker 1: it's basically like Er but in today's age, and it's
Speaker 1: an emergency room and it's the it's like a hyper
Speaker 1: realistic twelve hour shift in well, yeah, in emergency room doctors.
Speaker 1: And they have the lead actor he used to be
Speaker 1: on ER. He's just like, you know, everyone's calling him there.
Speaker 1: You know, there's Zaddi or whatever. He's a new pagero
Speaker 1: pascal because he's hot. He has a beerd he's a
Speaker 1: white duty six to two because that's all you need
Speaker 1: to do, be hot. But the cast, a supporting cast
Speaker 1: there is. It's a super diverse. There's a South Asian actress.
Speaker 1: They have Filipino Filipinas who are playing two nurses on
Speaker 1: this or Scenary two like admin workers. They're not nurses,
Speaker 1: but they like I forget what their exact roles is,
Speaker 1: but they are there in the intake center. They have
Speaker 1: just a super diverse I'm trying to think if they
Speaker 1: have a black male doctor. I don't think I've seen one,
Speaker 1: but they have this incredible black woman who plays one
Speaker 1: of the surgeons or one of the er doctors. It's
Speaker 1: for me watching it, it was like a breath of
Speaker 1: fresh air because it unfortunately having been in the hospital
Speaker 1: with like family who's been sick in the past couple
Speaker 1: of years, it felt like accurate to what a city
Speaker 1: er looks like. And the show was a huge hit.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but Variety magazine released a cover
Speaker 1: their cover of some of the cast members and the
Speaker 1: only three actors actresses on the cover were white actors.
Speaker 1: Crazy only three Yeah, And they were like, we didn't
Speaker 1: have enough room. That was literally their statement. Do we
Speaker 1: need to.
Speaker 3: Show them those covers where there are like fifty people
Speaker 3: on the cover?
Speaker 4: Right? If we got a Hollywood reporter does it every
Speaker 4: year every year? The Hollywood reporters, like we did one.
Speaker 1: Vogue, like every magazine every time a new Marvel movie
Speaker 1: comes out, they fit all those superheroes on one page.
Speaker 1: It's the comments was like, it's kind of ironic because
Speaker 1: they're called variety. They got it should still happening. You
Speaker 1: got nothing?
Speaker 2: Are we gonna say the quiet Heart out loud?
Speaker 1: You know? I mean I imagine opening that up as
Speaker 1: their colleagues and just being like.
Speaker 3: Where where was my invite?
Speaker 1: Where did they get one?
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, are the colleagues even in the building?
Speaker 4: Are the colleagues?
Speaker 1: But those are the performances that I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: want to of course, it's like, yeah, those actors are
Speaker 1: very talented. I want to see if, like the other
Speaker 1: actors have released a statement, because one of the actors
Speaker 1: was like, it's such an honor to be on the cover,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm upset that they didn't include our cast
Speaker 1: mates in that case. Like I actually would be more
Speaker 1: upset with the actors being on the cover for not
Speaker 1: turning around and bringing my.
Speaker 3: Colleague here, Like I worked with them hours every day
Speaker 3: and you didn't say nothing.
Speaker 1: Right, Like that's what you can do with your privilege.
Speaker 1: Why didn't you thank you? That would be hell awkward
Speaker 1: to go back if you knew that's.
Speaker 3: What would hurt me the most. And then I got
Speaker 3: to go to work with y'all the next day after
Speaker 3: y'all had this little secret cover shoot without us.
Speaker 1: Like, no, not cute? All right, well, thanks Variety for
Speaker 1: absolutely giving us nothing. What have y'all read recently? Because
Speaker 1: there's like, it feels like everything is so dark. What
Speaker 1: is some like content? Movies, films, books that are like
Speaker 1: actually bringing you joy these days? Bring in some levity?
Speaker 3: Can I be honest with y'all. I, as much as
Speaker 3: I work in the media and obviously I need to
Speaker 3: be on top of the news, I have been finding
Speaker 3: solace and shutting off and picking up hobby. So your
Speaker 3: girl has a painting class today for two hours that
Speaker 3: I'm trying. I have been painting, riding my bike and
Speaker 3: to those are the things that are giving me joy
Speaker 3: because I think online it can sometimes be over stimulating.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that is.
Speaker 1: So not I mean, that is not a hot take.
Speaker 1: It's like a healthy take. I'm glad to hear that.
Speaker 1: I So you chose painting, Yeah, I chose planting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but how many do you have? You're a plant mom?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, guys, I have to leave in one minute.
Speaker 3: But how many do we have?
Speaker 4: Do you have?
Speaker 1: You do have to leave it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh? I thought you said one thirty pst.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, what is Oh my god, no, what is
Speaker 3: Texas time? I always mix up the time zone pst.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I thought we had more time. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: That's okay. You can jump off and I can hang
Speaker 1: out with Anya. Well, was there anything that you wanted to,
Speaker 1: like talk about specifically before we leave, anything wanted to
Speaker 1: let us know? Anything you want to promote?
Speaker 3: Hmm, that's tough. I feel like I'm being put on
Speaker 3: the spot. Yeah, let me think.
Speaker 1: When does Smart Money come out?
Speaker 3: You can just say that, okay, yes, So you can
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Speaker 3: So we give y'all a nice little spiel rather in
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Speaker 3: comes out during the week where you can listen to
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Speaker 3: in case you need an incentive to come over.
Speaker 1: So y'all do have a fun vibe. What's your co
Speaker 1: host name, Scott.
Speaker 3: No, Sean Piles, Okay, Clement, Yes, that's Sean Piles.
Speaker 1: Chemistry. It's fun.
Speaker 3: It is fun, So come and listen. And I am
Speaker 3: a huge, huge, huge advocate of people trying to figure
Speaker 3: out their money, trying to start investing. Please please, I
Speaker 3: beg all my friends and family, even if you have
Speaker 3: five dollars to invest, and if you need some convincing.
Speaker 3: One of my weird hobbies is popping numbers into a
Speaker 3: compound interest calculator. That changed my life. So compound interest
Speaker 3: calculator will tell you that basically, if you invest five
Speaker 3: dollars and your rate of return is a modest I
Speaker 3: don't know, three percent or four percent, over the next
Speaker 3: ten years, your money is going to grow to x amount.
Speaker 3: So I feel like when you're able to see the
Speaker 3: power of investing even a little bit of money and
Speaker 3: how it can give you passive income, it might change
Speaker 3: your mind about starting today. So invest what you can.
Speaker 3: Future you is going to thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good reminder. Actually, I did have a
Speaker 1: headline I was going to share that found and I
Speaker 1: was shocked by this. But Americans are finally saving enough
Speaker 1: for retirement brings me so much joy. However, before investing, yes,
Speaker 1: but before I bounce, I would love to see the
Speaker 1: breakdown of how many black and brown people and women
Speaker 1: in that number are investing, because there's so many disparities
Speaker 1: for those groups of people. But i'd love to see
Speaker 1: more women and more people of color investing.
Speaker 3: Me joy.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know it's it's it's scary out here a
Speaker 1: lot of Like I was surprised to hear that at
Speaker 1: a time when I feel like what's happening in my
Speaker 1: family group chat is like, you know, should I take
Speaker 1: this money out? I've got some debt to pay off.
Speaker 1: Should I take it for my CD? Should I take
Speaker 1: it for my investment? Like that kind of conversation. So
Speaker 1: I think it's good to point out there may be
Speaker 1: some disparities there. But Elizabeth Ayula, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us at the Brown Table.
Speaker 3: Thank you. This was so fun.
Speaker 1: All right, ba fan, We're gonna take a quick break
Speaker 1: and be right back with more of the Brown Table.
Speaker 1: I've got Anya Philagene from the Griot in the studio.
Speaker 1: Be right back, Welcome back, be a fan. Let's get
Speaker 1: back to the show, all right, Anya, NBA fan, Welcome
Speaker 1: back the beautiful berated Elizabeth had to bounce because we
Speaker 1: finally got our time zones figured out and she had
Speaker 1: to go, which is but she'll come back on the
Speaker 1: show hopefully. All right, Anya, We're gonna keep chatting. We
Speaker 1: were just talking about the Variety magazine cover insanity and how, yeah,
Speaker 1: just how those actors who were on the cover really
Speaker 1: could have done something like should have used their power,
Speaker 1: their their their privilege in that moment to at least
Speaker 1: bring their sisters with them.
Speaker 2: I agreed.
Speaker 1: I agreed. Well, what else can we chat about? Well,
Speaker 1: the No King's protest? Did you cover any of that?
Speaker 2: Yes? And no.
Speaker 4: That was one of those things where I was like
Speaker 4: on call for the weekend, so I was like keeping
Speaker 4: an eye out in case anything crazy happened.
Speaker 2: Thankfully nothing did.
Speaker 1: At least not in the DMV. Right, and we got
Speaker 1: shot in Utah a couple and then someone got run over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I yes, I don't know. I don't know too
Speaker 2: much about that, if I'm being honest.
Speaker 1: No, please be honest, it's fine. I don't either. I
Speaker 1: just saw, Yeah, I think one like they had a peacekeeper,
Speaker 1: like probably like a volunteer peacekeeper at a protest in
Speaker 1: Utah shot a person who was carrying a rifle and
Speaker 1: like pointing it around and shot that person, but then
Speaker 1: hit another protester, like an innocent protester and who unfortunately
Speaker 1: passed away. And then I think in Virginia it was
Speaker 1: there was a first of all, Instagram is like these
Speaker 1: images maybe you know, disturbing to some and it's like,
Speaker 1: why do we need to play the video of cars
Speaker 1: ramming down people? Like why, to Elizabeth's points, stay off
Speaker 1: the social media, Just turn it off, Go paint, go touch.
Speaker 2: Grass, go water a plant.
Speaker 1: But if you're at the grio, you don't necessarily get
Speaker 1: the privilege of being unplugged right and being completely out
Speaker 1: of tune with it. But yeah, so fortunately I guess
Speaker 1: there wasn't a ton of upset or unrest, but you're
Speaker 1: also having the I want to call it the parade
Speaker 1: Trump he must not be named birthday parade military party.
Speaker 1: The theme was US Army for his birthday party. And
Speaker 1: what was that? Like?
Speaker 2: I was not there.
Speaker 4: I know all the streets in DC were shut down
Speaker 4: essentially for miles and miles and miles, but from what
Speaker 4: I did see, I don't think they met the anticipated
Speaker 4: numbers that they thought they were going to see.
Speaker 1: And yeah, but you know, Birthday Boy was probably cranky
Speaker 1: about that. He does a lot his crowd sizes.
Speaker 4: I heard, I heard, I heard, I saw little snippets
Speaker 4: about that, But that's truly all I know.
Speaker 2: That's one thing I fully tuned out of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I saw you covered the cutest Well, okay,
Speaker 1: he's an eighteen year old man. But there's this eighteen
Speaker 1: year old kid who's running for mayor in a town
Speaker 1: in Alabama.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was literally this morning.
Speaker 1: Fairfield, Alabama. Yeah, so how did you find out about
Speaker 1: that story?
Speaker 4: Honestly, somebody dropped it in our slack and because I
Speaker 4: think Ben Crump had posted, he like reposted his story
Speaker 4: and his announcement and naturally came up on our timelines,
Speaker 4: and I was like.
Speaker 1: Ben Crumb, attorney, Ben Crump is sort of a news source.
Speaker 1: I see. I get a lot of my black news
Speaker 1: first from Ben Crump. So shout out to him, right,
Speaker 1: and whoever is on his team and that madost good
Speaker 1: for a yes down for a repost. He's always like
Speaker 1: and I think people know and trust him so much.
Speaker 1: He's got that amount of power as they should because
Speaker 1: he is like a hero in so many ways. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he is an official, unofficial news source that I love.
Speaker 4: I agree, I love that. But yeah, very very cool story.
Speaker 4: I think it's so commendable. Like he announced he made
Speaker 4: his mayor announcement like two weeks after he graduated from
Speaker 4: high school, and he's getting ready to start his freshman
Speaker 4: year of college. And I'm like, when I graduate from
Speaker 4: high school and I was about to start freshman year,
Speaker 4: I was thinking about a summer job so I could
Speaker 4: pay for all my clothes that I wanted for college,
Speaker 4: so I could look so cute and do all the things.
Speaker 1: So where did you work? Where did you work?
Speaker 4: I worked at Hollister for a while, and then I
Speaker 4: worked at Urban Outfitters.
Speaker 2: It was like a split summer type of situation.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, I was a retail girally couldn't trust myself
Speaker 1: at a bar or a restaurant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I knew I didn't have the patience for a restaurant.
Speaker 2: I knew it.
Speaker 1: I was like, I love a bad story. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like you get to cover a lot of news
Speaker 1: that it's on the positive side or more of like honestly,
Speaker 1: you know, it feels like, I'm looking at your your bylines,
Speaker 1: I check out your stuff, and I'm like, Okay, it's
Speaker 1: like it's a good mix because it's pop culture, it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel so heavy.
Speaker 3: Probably.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I always tell people, I'm like, I cover more of
Speaker 4: the fun stuff than the doom and gloom, or I
Speaker 4: get to cover more of the fun stuff than people
Speaker 4: who have like more political beats and certain things like that.
Speaker 2: So I think it's a nice balance.
Speaker 1: You know, every now and it's political, you know, truly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, that's just how I feel like. There's
Speaker 1: that there's not really that disconnected. Politics is always lurking,
Speaker 1: you know. One of the things you got I want
Speaker 1: to talk I wanted to talk about was Ananda Lewis,
Speaker 1: the MTV former MTV VJ host who passed away from
Speaker 1: breast cancer. I saw that you had covered a little
Speaker 1: bit about her story. I had not been fought. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that she was ill, and honestly, I hadn't
Speaker 1: thought about this. You know, Ananda. Is it a Nanda
Speaker 1: or a Nanda?
Speaker 4: I think it's Ananda. I feel like everybody said Ananda,
Speaker 4: but I'm I'm not sure. I think it's a Nanda.
Speaker 1: Gotcha yeah, Ananda, I had not really I kuindn't remember her.
Speaker 1: I was trying to think, like, where did I see
Speaker 1: her in the last MTV VJ I remember? I mean,
Speaker 1: do you even know what an MTVBJ is?
Speaker 2: I do? I do?
Speaker 4: But that's because I will say I am an anomaly
Speaker 4: in the sense that I was one of those little
Speaker 4: kids that used to really love watching throwbacks and stuff
Speaker 4: that like all my older cousins used to know about.
Speaker 4: I was watching that, Like I would watch reruns of
Speaker 4: One of six and Park when Free and AJ were
Speaker 4: on there, Like I loved going into the archives. I
Speaker 4: was just a culture nerd from young.
Speaker 1: Oh that's amazing. They raised you right, yes, get your history. Well,
Speaker 1: but what was And so you know, I saw her
Speaker 1: story and I'm like, it's very sad. And you know,
Speaker 1: on this podcast we've covered breast cancer and all types
Speaker 1: of cancers in the black community and how it impacts
Speaker 1: us so much more. And part of the reason is
Speaker 1: like lack of preventative treatment, preventative care. And what was
Speaker 1: so disappointing and like sad to me is that apparently
Speaker 1: she knew that she was ill for a long time
Speaker 1: and had been completely like pushing away or pushing away
Speaker 1: from modern medicine. She wasn't interested. She was doing that
Speaker 1: like crunchy, like I'm gonna let my body heal itself.
Speaker 1: My body knows what it's doing. I'm going to shrink
Speaker 1: the tumor myself kind of vibe. Didn't even get a
Speaker 1: mammogram for years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she took She had said that she wanted to
Speaker 4: take a more homeopathic approach to it and more natural
Speaker 4: approach to things. Where she was it's like she was
Speaker 4: doing nothing per se, But I know she took a
Speaker 4: more like she's going to change her diet and she's
Speaker 4: Her first step was like flushing out all the toxins
Speaker 4: and doing different treatments and things that are out there
Speaker 4: that are just designed to I think, cleanse your body
Speaker 4: more so than chemo and the traditional things that we
Speaker 4: see in modern medicine. When you hear about cancer diagnosis,
Speaker 4: ses diagnosis, yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of those, that's fine, right, but yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1: What was really chilling was in an interview where she's
Speaker 1: explaining I don't know if you saw this or not,
Speaker 1: where she's explaining how her mom had been diagnosed with
Speaker 1: breast cancer and how in her mind, the mammograms that
Speaker 1: her mom did dutifully all those years was the reason
Speaker 1: why she got breast cancer. And so that's what it
Speaker 1: led Ananda to eschue her own doctor's orders to get
Speaker 1: a you know, or doctor's recommendation to get a mammogram.
Speaker 1: So she didn't do that, but she did at least
Speaker 1: come out and say, I really regret it, Like that's
Speaker 1: one of my regrets. Is you know, maybe had I
Speaker 1: caught it sooner. Listen, I'm in my plant Girl era.
Speaker 1: I love I do. I was just talking to my
Speaker 1: dad too, my dad. I'm trying to like compartmentalize what's
Speaker 1: going on, but my dad actually is getting he's he
Speaker 1: has a big surgery tomorrow and it's all very exciting
Speaker 1: and it could change his life in a lot of
Speaker 1: great ways. But because his whole family, like my whole family,
Speaker 1: has had a ton of health issues because of the
Speaker 1: quality of diet and the misinformation around diet and exercise,
Speaker 1: and like we're talking about before, which is like the
Speaker 1: access to healthy foods in our communities is just so
Speaker 1: you know, it's getting better, but it's still there still
Speaker 1: are many food deserts. But like also the foods that
Speaker 1: are catered or targeted toward our communities, are specifically made
Speaker 1: to be addicting and so hyper like flavored, Like what
Speaker 1: is the word that was in that study? Like, there
Speaker 1: was a study that came out that's like the ultra
Speaker 1: processed foods and how they are formulated so that we
Speaker 1: and because they are marketed I think to more our
Speaker 1: communities and more available to us, they become so addicting
Speaker 1: to us that we crave them. And like, as my
Speaker 1: dad's going into this life altering procedure tomorrow, he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I went down and got some chicken wings. I really
Speaker 1: wanted some chicken wings and some fried rice from the Chinese,
Speaker 1: you know. And I was like, d you kid? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh man, no, literally, I'm staying at
Speaker 1: my playing girl era.
Speaker 4: It makes me think of that movie they cloned Tyrone,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, ever since that movie came out, do
Speaker 4: you see that movie?
Speaker 2: Complex? Oh?
Speaker 1: Is it good?
Speaker 4: It was good. It was not spoiler the plot, but
Speaker 4: it was like centered around chicken and the impact of
Speaker 4: this one chicken spot in a community, and it like,
Speaker 4: I'll leave it at that, but it was just kind
Speaker 4: of like that whole movie had me sitting and thinking like,
Speaker 4: maybe they are really putting something in the chicken, Maybe
Speaker 4: they really are putting something in the food, because it's
Speaker 4: a little scary. It gets a little scary when you
Speaker 4: think about it. But yeah, no, it was very It's
Speaker 4: very sad when you sit and think about some of
Speaker 4: the statistics surrounding our health and how it specifically impacts
Speaker 4: the black community. And it's not always like our fault
Speaker 4: per se. It'll literally be just like socioeconomic statuses, the
Speaker 4: way the cars were dealt, and you find yourself in
Speaker 4: these positions.
Speaker 1: So I just wrote it down. They cloned tyrone, They
Speaker 1: cloned tyrone. Yes, well, when I'm not with my plant babies, yes,
Speaker 1: I'll try and watch that. But I it's I was
Speaker 1: trying to. I have a five year old, and I
Speaker 1: was trying to He's been actually eating vegetables and speak
Speaker 1: with them in the garden, which is really cute to see.
Speaker 1: He doesn't always like them. Usually he doesn't like them,
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, it tastes he's chewing it. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: at least he put it in his mouth. That's a wind, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to help him understand that vegetables are
Speaker 1: never going to taste like French fries, like like they're
Speaker 1: never going to taste like a happy meal. They're gonna
Speaker 1: taste like dirt and earth and like they're gonna taste
Speaker 1: like I mean, that's not gonna be on the marketing plan.
Speaker 1: But like you ever had a beat, It tastes like dirt.
Speaker 1: It's earthy. You know, they say earthy because they want
Speaker 1: it to sound bougie, but it's dirt. And how vegetables
Speaker 1: like that's their flavor and you have to like learn
Speaker 1: to appreciate it for what it is, and how everything
Speaker 1: is not supposed to be like covered in everything bagel seasoning,
Speaker 1: and not that he would do that anyway, because don't
Speaker 1: let him see a fleck of peppery.
Speaker 2: Oh he doesn't like like anything.
Speaker 1: Oh, everything has to be invisible or in cookhetti sauce.
Speaker 1: That's the trick. But it's hard because you know, we
Speaker 1: get these hyper like these foods that were made in
Speaker 1: labs to design to entice us and to satisfy us
Speaker 1: and tap into like those receptors, those joy receptors in
Speaker 1: our brain. And it's like and then you want us
Speaker 1: to have a turn up and be happy about it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we have to train ourselves to like that.
Speaker 1: Shit really might be a lost cause. But I don't know.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't think his diet not in life. He's gonna survive,
Speaker 1: He'll be fine.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I mean listen, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Everything go great, pretty god, but yeah, like he's just
Speaker 1: so stuck in his ways for him, like eating healthier
Speaker 1: is having a six piece wing instead of a twelve
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, Oh, win is.
Speaker 4: A window, right, you know we are slowly weaning off
Speaker 4: of it instead of like two million calories some million
Speaker 4: calories like slowly but chilly.
Speaker 2: That's how you gotta think about things, you know.
Speaker 1: All Right, Well, I want to take a little another
Speaker 1: quick break and I want to come back and will
Speaker 1: you join me for a brown brust brown break to
Speaker 1: close the show? Out of course, all rib i fam,
Speaker 1: we are back where you going to wrap up today's
Speaker 1: brown table. I want to excuse me. Thank our guest
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Ayula again from Nerdwallet's Smart Money podcast, from joining
Speaker 1: us and Anaya nope, Anya Anya Philogeene from the Grio
Speaker 1: for also joining us today. All right, would you like
Speaker 1: to go first, madam, where would you like me to
Speaker 1: go first?
Speaker 2: Your choice, You go first, You set the precedent.
Speaker 1: Okay, great. So I am going to do a big
Speaker 1: boost today. And I want to preface this by saying
Speaker 1: that I really could have done a break but I
Speaker 1: feel like this was like more of a heavy topic
Speaker 1: show than I had cared for today. But I feel
Speaker 1: a lot of joy because my little community garden that
Speaker 1: I started. You don't know this, Anya unless you listen
Speaker 1: to the show. But anyway, I started this kind of
Speaker 1: like ghetto community garden with my neighbors where we just
Speaker 1: put garden beds. It's not ghetto, I just mean like
Speaker 1: completely una like not tied to any real initiative of
Speaker 1: community gardening. But I was like, we need to be
Speaker 1: growing our own produce, and I don't want to do
Speaker 1: it alone because I already have human children. Growing plants
Speaker 1: with by myself is just even more responsibility. But I
Speaker 1: got this local restaurant that had had shut down. I
Speaker 1: got them to donate the owner to donate a couple
Speaker 1: of like garden beds that he had out back that
Speaker 1: I had been seeing from the street. Because I'm a
Speaker 1: creeper and I was like, what are you going to
Speaker 1: do with those? I'm trying to grow. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: start a community garden. And luckily that's all it took.
Speaker 1: He was like, sure, take them. And we have all
Speaker 1: the herbs you can think of now. Our squash babies
Speaker 1: are growing, our tomatoes are growing. We have so much lettuce.
Speaker 1: I'm about to send an email to my community, to
Speaker 1: my my neighbors or texts later today being like, please
Speaker 1: come get some lettuce because it is so like I mean,
Speaker 1: they're beautiful, but they are so freaking huge, and there's
Speaker 1: just too much lettuce and I cannot eat any more salad.
Speaker 1: I would love to be able. I just I can't
Speaker 1: beat you and leaves anymore. I've been to and leaves
Speaker 1: all day for days, Anya. But I'm just really proud
Speaker 1: of it, and I think it's it's just like very
Speaker 1: simple and you really don't need too much. And so
Speaker 1: now we share, we have like are we share a
Speaker 1: little tool shed, we share soil, we share plants. We're
Speaker 1: all like you know, and the kids kind of help
Speaker 1: out and they gather around and it's just very It
Speaker 1: is such a source of joy. So as much as
Speaker 1: I make fun of myself for being like that elder
Speaker 1: millennial who now is a gardening fanatic. It truly just
Speaker 1: touching dirt and touching leaves, and even if we never
Speaker 1: actually harvest anything, like if slugs come tomorrow and abolish
Speaker 1: our crop, like we'll just start again. And I think
Speaker 1: it really is about like the the experience of it
Speaker 1: and the nurturing of it and the investment of time.
Speaker 1: And it's become a form of meditation. And as I
Speaker 1: was talking to my dietician, I've been working with her
Speaker 1: because again family history of all the things. She and
Speaker 1: I were really just like working on my own perception
Speaker 1: of what healthy movement can be like and not doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be going to the gym. And how my
Speaker 1: garden has become our garden, i should say, has become
Speaker 1: like not just a source of like joy and peace,
Speaker 1: but also exercise and movement in a healthy way. And
Speaker 1: I'm just very proud. So this is your sign. If
Speaker 1: you're listening to ba fan, get you a pack of
Speaker 1: seeds and tell your neighbor to get a pack of seeds,
Speaker 1: implant something and see what happens.
Speaker 4: Guys, we need community now more than ever, So I
Speaker 4: love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it all.
Speaker 2: Right year turn Okay, be a fan. I've never done
Speaker 2: this before my boost right oh?
Speaker 1: Going positive? Okay? Good?
Speaker 4: Yes, I feel like we talked about so much negitive.
Speaker 4: There's so much taking in the world. Why would we
Speaker 4: Why would you seek into that? I think naturally, my
Speaker 4: boost is literally just tuning, tuning into my voice and
Speaker 4: finding my voice and the storytelling that I'm able to
Speaker 4: do through my work. But also like beyond work, I
Speaker 4: found myself tapping back into my creativity a lot more,
Speaker 4: having more fun on like Instagram and trying to bring
Speaker 4: the fun back to like social media and things and
Speaker 4: making it less serious or lace.
Speaker 1: Where are you doing TikTok dances? What are you doing?
Speaker 4: No? I So, I, like I said, new House trained
Speaker 4: us to be, you know, jack of all trades, all
Speaker 4: the things in Syracuse, and so I actually really have
Speaker 4: a love for graphic design. I love designing things, whether
Speaker 4: it's like a flyer, whether like making an Instagram post
Speaker 4: that looks really intricate or like reminds you of scrap book.
Speaker 2: I've been leaning more into that a lot more, just
Speaker 2: because it's fun.
Speaker 4: It fuels that left side of my brain or whatever
Speaker 4: side of the brain they say it is. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I think that's been my thing, just fueling my creativity,
Speaker 4: tapping into that a lot more, having whenever I have
Speaker 4: that spurs that spark of inspiration, leaning into it and
Speaker 4: just doing that. So I am going to boost creativity.
Speaker 4: I'm going to boost finding your voice, whatever that may mean.
Speaker 4: And for me, if you want to see more of
Speaker 4: my voice, check me out at the graio dot com.
Speaker 1: What are you.
Speaker 2: At? Anya?
Speaker 4: So the way you see my name on the screen,
Speaker 4: put an ex king me right, I know it's I'm
Speaker 4: so sorry.
Speaker 1: Origin of the spelling.
Speaker 4: Why it's actually Arabic. Yes, I have no Arabic backgrounds.
Speaker 4: I am Haitian American.
Speaker 2: But it means happy in Arabic.
Speaker 4: And I had somebody actually like fully translated and tell
Speaker 4: me that it's a very specific type of happiness where
Speaker 4: it's like at the end of like a really dark tunnel,
Speaker 4: like that joy you see.
Speaker 2: That's what they say, Anya is Now.
Speaker 1: If that is wrong, beautiful.
Speaker 2: That's what an Arabic speaker told me.
Speaker 1: So it's really with it if you believe it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Amen? Amen?
Speaker 1: So, yeah, like how I thought I was a I
Speaker 1: thought my sign was different than I'm a Leo, and
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I am so what was it?
Speaker 1: What's before Leo must have been a cancer or something.
Speaker 3: Anyway, if you.
Speaker 1: Believe that it's what will become true period. I believe
Speaker 1: that it's a beautiful name. And shout out to your
Speaker 1: parents for going outside the box because where it's the.
Speaker 2: French listen, it's there, it's there, it's just not you know.
Speaker 1: Well. Anya Phillageen from the Grio, thanks so much for
Speaker 1: joining me at the Brown Table. I hope you'll come back.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that bad?
Speaker 2: No, I love this. I call me on some more podcasts.
Speaker 1: I would love to Yeah, yeah, I mean, And if
Speaker 1: you're working on anything, just feel free to shoot them over.
Speaker 1: We can help amplify even if we just share on
Speaker 1: the show. Or if you want to come back again
Speaker 1: and talk about a big story that you that you're
Speaker 1: working on. Promote your work. Get yourself out there and
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing your your POV. You're light with
Speaker 1: the ba Fam and we'll hope to see you soon.
Speaker 1: Thank you, okay, va fam, I will see you on
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