WEBVTT - Real Cost of Chaos 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:02.280 One hour two Sean Hennity Show, eight hundred and nine 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:03.840 foot one Shawn, if you want to be a part 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.640 of the program, if you're just joining us. The FBI 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:12.399 released surveillance photos videos of a potential suspect and the 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:19.279 investigation into the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, the mother of 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.959 the co anchor of The Today Show, Savannah Guthrie. Four 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:27.760 images depicting a person wearing gloves, mask, backpack appearing to 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:33.800 tamper with the camera and cover up the recording that 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:38.400 obviously they figured was going on. The FBI director Cash 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:41.760 Pattel said the potential suspect is armed. The FBI said 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:45.680 yesterday it had not identified any suspects or persons of interest, 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:48.040 same with local law enforcement. 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:50.959 Now. She's been missing since. 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:54.360 She was dropped off outside of her home at her 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:58.040 home outside of Tucson on the night of January thirty. 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:04.160 First reported missing on February first. Today it is February tenth. 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:07.200 We're in day ten now. The FBI has launched a 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:10.920 web page with details about the disappearance. By the way, 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:13.360 if you're in Tucson and listening to this program, though 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:17.240 the Sheriff's Department is asking Tucson residents to keep the 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:20.440 nine to one to one line open in case people 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:24.880 have real emergencies. The FBI director Cash Bettel visited the 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:30.959 Tucson command center in this case yesterday. The Guthrie family 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:36.400 does not recognize the person in the surveillance images. They 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:40.119 are asking the public for help if anybody can maybe 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.360 have suspects that they might know who this person is. 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:47.760 The President has weighed in on this. He saw the 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:51.760 images the videos. His reaction was pure disgusted, according to 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:58.600 Caroline Levitt, and also that the President again pledging his 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:03.680 support for the family and offering all federal assistants. And 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.200 you know, this is really the first break in the case. 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:12.160 Savannah Guthrie posts the video said someone out there recognizes 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:16.359 this person. And again, everybody, if you have any information, 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:21.160 you know, call it in. What the videos show of 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:25.200 the potential suspect images, you know, person wearing gloves, mask, 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:30.680 khaki sneakers, backpack, appearing to tamper with the camera at 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.640 the front door of the morning on the morning of 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:37.080 the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie. The person's eyes are visible 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:40.400 through the holes in the mask. The images and videos 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.960 don't show a vehicle nearby, though it may be elsewhere 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.800 on the street, and you know that's where we are 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.919 at this particular time. But it's certainly the biggest break 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.320 we've had in ten days. He had to break it 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.080 all down and unpack all of this. Jason Pack retired 0:02:56.200 --> 0:03:02.040 FBI Supervisory special Agent and hostage nego negotiator. Nicole Parker's 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.320 with Us, author of the bestseller of the two FBI 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:07.760 is also a Box News contributor. Nicole's start with you, 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:12.800 what do you glean from all of this today? I 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:16.040 think the first breakthrough we've had. I think this may 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:19.120 be what ultimately cracks the case, and I'm certainly hopeful 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:19.600 that it does. 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:24.040 I agree with you, Sean, this is monumental for this investigation, 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.800 and this is what the gut three family has been 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:27.440 waiting for. 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:28.200 You. 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.760 Up until today, it seemed like things were kind of 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:34.240 stalling out with the ransom deadlines. Yesterday, nothing really seemed 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:38.080 to be happening. But rest assured that behind the scenes, 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.280 there's a lot more going on than we're aware of, 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.760 and the FBI is going full force. And this video 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.920 and these images, there will be someone who will watch 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:51.120 this and say, look, I recognize that person I have 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:52.880 to turn them in, and you do have to turn 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:56.880 them in, and the tip line is eight hundred cll FBI. 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:01.720 So right now the FBI is gathering obviously all of 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.160 the tips coming in. But one thing that I think 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.200 is very interesting is that there are people that the 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.680 FBI had been looking at, I believe as potential persons 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.600 of interests although they have not named a suspect. They 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.440 have not named, you know, a person of interest. Obviously, 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:18.919 right now I'm watching lives coverage, there are agents and 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:23.320 investigators that are at Annie Guthrie's neighbor's home. Okay, I 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:26.440 don't know that that's a coincidence, But what this does 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.560 is now, whoever did this and their image is now 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.400 has been seen by millions of people, and it will 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:36.119 be seen by millions more. They're on notice the gig 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:36.479 is up? 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:40.359 They do do you think celebrate? Is what? Actually? 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.960 This technology that we've been discussing, you know, since this happened, 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:45.800 do you think that played a part in them able 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.560 to being able to retrieve this video? 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.080 So the private sector company, I'm not sure which one 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.560 it was that they worked with the FBI, because originally 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:56.600 they said, you know, we're not. The FBI didn't think 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:58.599 that they were going to be able to get these images. 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.400 But that's not going to work in this investigation. They're 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.400 going to keep digging in deep. Celebrate is actually used 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:10.119 to image cellular telephones, tablets, computers, things of that sort. 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:13.480 So I think the actual image from this it may 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.320 have been used because again it can be used to 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.279 image doorbell cameras and things of that sort. But it 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.599 really was the private corporation that worked with the FBI 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:23.919 because originally they didn't think that they'd be able to 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.800 obtain this. They didn't accept no as an answer, and 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.200 they continue to get it because remember they said that 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.960 she didn't have a paid subscription. Well, depending on the 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.400 type of camera that she had, potentially I'm not sure 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.479 in this instance, but you can get potentially three hours 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.039 of feed without a subscription. Let's say if it was 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.880 a Nest Aware Plus camera, but we don't know the 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.920 exact detail of what it was, but let me tell 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:51.640 you they celebrate. That's extremely crucial right now because remember 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:55.960 they've imaged the devices, likely of the surrounding family members, 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.400 those in her immediate contact. They're going to be going 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.240 in and looking at communications and I just look at 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.320 these images. Sean. I don't know about you, but those eyes, 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.200 those are very telling. The eyebrows. 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:11.359 I totally agree with you. So you know. I have 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:12.159 my own theories. 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:13.919 I'm going to keep them to myself for now, but 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.560 I've got I would not be surprised if we have 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.600 an arrest tonight or within the next twenty four hours. 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.320 I would not be surprised at all. And hopefully the 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:27.640 recovery of Nancy Guthrie, I'm hoping and I'm not going 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.800 to give up on that hope. Let me ask you, 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:36.400 as a retired supervisory special agent and hostage negotiator, Jason, 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.200 you know there was one FBI special agent's Lance Lessing 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.000 I think is his name, based in Arizona. You know 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:47.919 said in legitimate ransom case hidnappers usually move fast. They 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:52.760 established leverage quickly, Communication begins within hours, not days of abduction, 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:56.560 proof of life is produced early, and often the opposite 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:01.240 happened here. As a professional hostage and a gootiator, you know, 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.039 how Will, what is the best way to handle this. 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.520 Well, Sean, I think the family handled it exactly correctly. 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:10.360 You have to treat it like it's real, even though 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.760 it doesn't fit any statistical patterns that may pop up. 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.120 So the family did exactly the right thing. They worked 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:20.000 with the FBI's crisis Negotiation Unit and the negotiators there 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:23.760 from the Tucson ra to craft these messages to see 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.800 if anybody would come back. And so when that didn't happen, 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.880 as Nicole mentioned earlier, I've been on the work. I've 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:31.600 been in these command posts where I've been the one 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.440 working on these alternative theories and working on the not 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:36.920 the shiny object that everybody else is pursuing, but these 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.200 other alternative theories. And you've seen the results of that today. 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.920 So just think if they would have waited to start 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.120 doing that now, they haven't been. They've been working on 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.120 it hard. And it sounds like that this has gone 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.920 all the way to the FBI's computer scientists, and they 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:53.560 it sounds like, I don't know if they're on the 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.600 same workbench and they're at Google and the Nest company 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:58.440 and trying to work with them to make sure to 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.080 get the state out. But whatever they did, they found 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:04.160 the proverbial needle in the haystack. It's actually remarkable work 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:05.240 by the agents. 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.440 I don't know, Nicole, have you been able to see 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.400 what people have been doing online. And I can't affirm 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.880 at one hundred percent, but they do reverse lighting and 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:16.680 you get a much clearer image. 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:17.360 Is that real? 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.040 I believe that they'll be able to refine these images 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:22.600 even more and I think that there's actually going to 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:24.800 be even more evidence coming out. Remember that they took 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.400 that camera off of the roof a few days after 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:30.480 the fact, and so I do think that they'll be 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.400 able to get it even more refined. But talking about 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:37.720 the ransom emails, and I agree, I think that these 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:41.120 ransoms are usually the more and more as times passing, 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.400 I'm beginning to think it as a false flag. I'm 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.480 beginning to think that the offender actually used that to 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:50.600 distract law enforcement resources because the ransoms are usually very succinct. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.520 They're usually straightforward, and the directions are minimal, and those 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.160 are the typical three key elements of a ransom, and 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:58.880 we didn't see that in this. We saw the two 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.440 tier deadline in between a Thursday and a Monday, and 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:06.199 usually the ransom. You know, sometimes agrievance can be surmised 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.280 from the ransom, not always, but the ransom states what 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.000 the offender wants, how they want it and the timeframe 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:14.640 which they have to act and they want it to 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.440 move quickly. In this instance, they didn't want it to 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.400 move quickly. It's as if the offender wanted more time 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:22.520 to do what they needed to do. And if this 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.960 was a false flag meaning that the offender was involved 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.360 in the ransom email is starting to make sense now, 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.080 or if it was just a full on hoax. But 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.160 what we do know is that, based on our understanding, 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.400 there was no ransom paid, and so it leads to. 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.240 Best do we know that for sure? 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:43.199 We know it wasn't paid to the original letters wallet 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:45.040 their crypto wallet. 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:49.120 Again, we don't know for certain because again TMZ received 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.280 the first ransom email, they didn't receive the second. They 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.800 had the wallet address for the first email. Potentially the 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.000 second one may have had different instructions, but let's say 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:01.079 that it was the first. Hypothetically speaking, those are public. 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.719 The blockchain is public, like those transactions. That ledger is 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.559 public to the person that knows the wallet address. 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.880 And so to are not if they do transfer it 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.400 within minutes, they could be transferring it and buying other 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.040 crypto and selling it, and you know, they could be 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.360 doing a million different things that would not be traceable 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:20.360 at that point, am I right? 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:22.880 Well, no, it would always have to hit the ledger though, 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.800 that initial transaction to get to the six million dollars 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.839 that they required in bitcoin, that would that would show 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:30.480 up on the ledger. 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:31.760 Yeah. 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:33.600 Let me let me go back to this issue of 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:38.360 hostage negotiation. I mean, give us examples of what usually 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.040 happens in a hostage negotiation. Now, there are some people 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:44.320 that called me and said, under no circumstances do they 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.599 think anybody should ever pay? And I just flat out disagree. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:51.560 I think that's got to be an individualized decision. And 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.400 you know, I mean, how would you live with yourself 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:58.160 if you can afford to pay, or or raised the 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.920 money to pay, and it ends up because you didn't say, 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:03.839 they end up killing somebody. I don't know if I 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:06.920 could live with myself, Jason, right, Sean. 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.400 Yeah, you're right, Sean, It's absolutely correct. And these are 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.920 transactional things people plan. People who do kidnappings for ransom 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:16.360 want the money. They want to make it easy to communicate. 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:21.560 They certainly do not go on national television or local 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.160 TV stations with our ransom demand. They want to stay 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:25.800 in control of that. They want to have a private 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:27.600 line to the family so they can go back and 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.240 forth and give that proof of life and get the 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.520 ball rolling. As far as making, you know, making that transaction, 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.079 we didn't see that here. I do want to point out, Sean, 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:39.800 I was on the stage at the Boston Marathon bombing 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.880 press conference. I flipped one of those posters over revealing 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.880 black hat and white hat, and that next twenty four 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.640 to forty eight hours after that photograph was out, there 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.480 was super chaotic, and it's this is going to be 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.600 the best chance that law enforcement has, that the FBI has, 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.160 now that that subject's photos out there, to capture him. 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.800 He's these likely, like Jole said, has seen himself on 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.559 the news worldwide, on every phone, on every billboard, and 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.800 now what does he do. He's got some decisions to make. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.439 If he knows where Miss Nancy is, does he move her, 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.240 does he flee? What does he do? This puts a 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.840 tremendous amount of pressure, and that's what law enforcement is 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.480 counting on to make a mistake, to find this person. 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.599 Yeah, that's what everybody's hope is. Nicole, What do you 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:24.160 want to add? 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:26.959 You know, I kind of in law enforcement we talk 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.680 a lot about tickling the wire, and that's what you 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:31.920 kind of this is almost a form of tickling the wire, 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.520 like we want the suspect to know, hey, we're on you, 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.280 and we want to see how certain people respond. So again, 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:39.240 law enforcements can be looking closely at the people and 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:43.040 the guthries direct because I think everyone at this point 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.840 we're not certain, but a lot of people agree that 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.480 it's probably someone that knew Nancy, that was either close 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.160 to her and her circle of close friends or contacts 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.280 or even family members. So right now law enforcement is 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:58.120 going to be seeing how certain people react the other thing. 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.680 That they or maybe people that worked on the prey at. 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.400 Some point, exactly a home care nurse, a pool cleaner, 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.360 any of those things that were you know, home care workers. 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.400 But again, John, it may not be the individual who 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.240 potentially had a grievance. It could be that they paid 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.360 someone to do it. I've worked murdered for higher cases. 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:18.640 The actual person who orchestrates it may never have entered 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.640 the crime scene. It could be the person with the issue, 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.319 the offender could be on the scene, or it could 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.720 be the offender with the grievance behind the scenes, conspiring 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:28.960 and sending someone else in to do the dirty work, 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.320 and so there's many layers of complex you know, complexity 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:36.559 complexities here. But it's important to note that taking these 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.839 images and the tips, and now they're going to comb 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:41.839 it together and they're going to piece it with the 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.680 technological artifacts and the evidence. They're going to look to 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.680 see what cell phones were trying to connect to that router, 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.600 that Wi Fi router. Were there any you know, people 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.320 that were trying to connect their phone, you know, like 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:54.599 when you go into a phone and says, would you 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.240 like to connect to the Wi Fi? Was that happening 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.800 between the hours that this individual within the home? How 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:02.320 were they And these are types of things that law 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.960 enforcement isn't giving to the public, but I guarantee you 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:10.479 that's what's happening, and that the pacemaker, the pacemaker is huge. 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:14.480 That pacemaker a sess but cannot take that outside of 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:16.719 you know, it would take a lot of work for 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:20.080 them to you know, disconnect the pacemaker inside of her body, 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.400 whether the app was continuing to function or not. That 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.920 pacemaker continues to work, and there's an app and there's 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:28.960 a cloud, and there's a company that has all of 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.480 that data, and I guarantee you the FBI is going 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.160 through that very very closely. 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:35.360 Would it give them the location? 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.760 I think, I'm not I can't speak certain of that, 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.720 but I believe if someone is alive, that pacemaker is 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:44.400 going to continue to work, and if someone is not, 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.120 that pacemaker is likely not going to continue to work. 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:51.400 Okay, And we appreciate both of you. Jason Pack, thank you. 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.440 Nicole Parker. We'll see you on TV tonight. We appreciate 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.760 you both. All right, let's get to our busy phones. 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:59.680 Let's say hi to Michael. He's in Saint Louis. Michael, Hi, 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:01.080 how are you glad you called? 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:02.000 Hey? 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.160 I just wanted to say, Number one, thank you for 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:04.840 all that you do. 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.280 Love listen, thank you for letting me do it. I 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:08.960 love doing what I do, and I'm blessed to do 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:09.360 what I do. 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:10.920 Yeah. 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.680 Well, anyway, I just wanted to say quickly because I 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:17.240 know I'm on the radio. Despite any political you know, 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.160 Savannah and this or that, I think we're blessed to 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.760 live in a country that this rarely happens. And I 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:27.640 think that even if she wasn't related to Savannah, that 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:29.960 this would be a big deal. And it's got me 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.760 feeling like Denzel Washington and Man on Fire. 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.200 You know, I'm I'm I'm. 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.640 Denzel Washington is one of my favorite actors. I think 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.800 he's great. I think he's amazing. He's so good, so 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.560 he's so diverse in the roles that he can play. 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:45.240 He's really good in his. 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:49.400 Personal life too, which I appreciate absolutely. 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:50.520 No, I agree. 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:55.480 Look, you know, but for whatever reason, and I guess 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:57.560 Linda could weigh more than me on this because she 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.920 reads a lot more social media than I do. But 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.720 I got word from Blair, who does our social media, 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:06.360 that I was getting hammered because one night I said, 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:08.760 I don't want this to be interpreted as being political, 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.720 but if you want to know, when I say, every 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.640 life matters, That's why this story matters. That's why we 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.480 talk about how many people are shot and shot and 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:20.840 killed in Chicago every weekend. And it's it's mind numbing 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.560 to me that if you can't politicize it and weaponize 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:27.200 it or use it against Donald Trump, you don't know 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.160 the names of the people shot and shot and killed 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:31.560 every weekend, and nobody lifts a finger to help these people. 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.600 That's why when ICE is risking their lives, to rescue 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:40.120 people and to arrest you know child, you know, molesters 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:44.040 and murderers and rapists, other violent criminals and terrorists. 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:45.640 I'm like, wow. 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:49.480 I mean, they get no credit for what they've been doing, 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.960 and they've done a tremendous job to make us more 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:55.640 safe and secure. I'm not saying they're perfect. I'm just saying, 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.600 you know, give them credit where credits due. You know, 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.960 every life really does matter, and I think maybe maybe 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:03.640 people will. 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.640 Think differently about it after this. I hope so, me too, 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:07.280 Me too. 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.159 All right, my friend, God bless you. Let's stay with 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.560 another mic, this one in Ohio. Mike, how are you 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:14.440 glad you called? 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:17.760 Sang Sean? Thanks for taking my call. 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:20.400 Thank you for calling. What's on your mind? 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:21.359 You're welcome. 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.199 I love it. So I just want to say this, 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:25.800 and I haven't heard it said, and I almost feel 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:30.919 bad saying it. But I think missus gut three died 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.360 somehow shortly after I mean, within a day or two. 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:37.119 She's no longer with us, is my gut feeling. I 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:39.959 hate to even say that, and I feel like it 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:43.479 was just an amateurish thing that happened. Somebody screwed up 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:47.439 she passed out, maybe had a stroke, whatever. She's an 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:51.520 older gale and I don't think there Ever, it's going 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:53.920 to be a long time before they find out whatever 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:56.080 happened to to her. That's just how I am. 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.160 I'm just not willing to go where you're going here. 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:03.680 You know, the family believes she's alive. I'm looking at 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:08.600 the how premeditated in these videos and pictures we now have. 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:13.280 This all seems to be how sophisticated the bitcoin ploy was. 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.159 And I'm going with she's alive. I want unless I 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.119 hear otherwise. I'm not willing to think about a worst 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:20.800 case scenario. 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.800 Well, I hope she's alive. I mean everybody does, but 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:25.719 it just seems weird to me. I don't know. I 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.960 just think something went wrong and that's what happened. But 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:30.520 tell you, what do I know? 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.200 You know, I appreciate the call, my friend. Thank you. 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.440 Eight hundred and nine four one. Shawn is on number 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.960 if you want to be a part of the program. Joe, 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:39.959 South Carolina. What's up, Joe, how are you? 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.520 Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you on 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:48.520 this Sean. I'm just talking about the Don Lemon situation. 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.280 I've got to say, I don't think that he deserves 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:56.320 to be really recognized as a journalist. I've spent fifty 0:18:56.400 --> 0:19:01.920 years in broadcasting, going back to the late nineteen sixties 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.439 and traveled through all of that. And if he had 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:07.720 been working for me, the first thing I would have done, 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:11.800 since he had already spoken to the agitatortions, was actually 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.800 edging them on to come in. He wouldn't have been 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:15.960 working for me that long. 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:20.080 Well, I mean, I thought Pam Bondi described it perfectly 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.320 when we interviewed her about this case and the arrests 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:28.639 that have taken place. Is anybody that is a participant. Remember, 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:32.680 he was clearly in support of this group, what they 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:37.040 were doing, and giving them donuts and coffee. He seemed 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:42.320 like an active participant in the whole thing, and very 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:45.320 different than just going in there and covering it. And 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:48.760 the Face Act is very very clear, and he's on 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:50.880 tape saying I didn't care what the Face Act says. 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.480 This is your constitutional right to protest and this is 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:57.680 what America is all about. Unfortunately that's not accurate with 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:00.760 what And it's interesting the left lafe the Face Act 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:03.560 because it protects women's rights to go into an abortion clinic. 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.960 And that's very clear too. So you know the idea 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:10.520 that anybody can say, well, I've got an iPhone and 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.200 a camera and I'm acting as a journalist, and therefore 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:16.680 I'm not in trouble here. I don't think it's gonna fly, 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:18.880 but you know, let's see. 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:21.560 How it plays out. Yeah, and make his case and 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:23.200 they'll see what happens. 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:23.760 Yeah. 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.560 I don't think he should be protected in anyway. I 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:28.639