WEBVTT - Psycho with Leila Latif 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:02.160 On the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:04.040 The questions asked if movies have. 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:07.560 Women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.760 husbands or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy. Zeph 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:15.320 and bast start changing with the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:21.760 Hello, Jamie, would you like to come eat some sandwiches 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:25.440 with me in my room full of taxidermy birds? 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:26.240 Okay? 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.680 I felt personally attacked by that scene as someone who 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:34.000 recently asked you to take care of the taxidermy bird 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:35.760 that I taxidermied this year. 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:38.360 I was like, that is I. 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:40.400 Mean, there are a lot of communities that are poorly 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.600 represented in this movie, but true, I have yet to 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:46.559 see the essay on taxidermists. 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:50.919 Respond, well, maybe that's your responsibility. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:55.520 Exidermists are regular people, just like you and me, And 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:57.640 I think that the one thing that Norman Babs does 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:01.640 correctly say is that it's actually a very affordable hobby. 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.800 People think it's going to be expensive. The only real 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:10.720 expense is your time and your ability to wish to 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:14.119 dissect things. Yeah, but I think that as long as 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.479 you're doing it legally and good. So sorry to start 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:21.080 with my stumping for fellow taxidermists. 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:23.440 No no, no, please, I. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.000 Used to a symbol in a Hitchcock movie. 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.959 I mean it's good, but taxidermists didn't recover for years 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:31.319 after this movie. 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:36.880 Maybe yes, it protected class of people taxidermists. 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.200 The wild thing is there's like all these laws around taxidermy, 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:44.039 which is good, but essentially you cannot and should not 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.560 taxidermy an animal that is in any way endangered or protected. 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:50.760 There's all these laws around it. But you can taxidermy 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:55.120 any animal that is technically an invasive species as long 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:56.760 as they are already dead. 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:57.919 So there's all. 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.240 These complicated rules. But when it was explained to me 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:04.760 by my gorgeous, amazing taxidermy instructor, I. 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:06.160 Was like, wow, it all does make sense. 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.480 But she sources the birds that we taxidermied in her 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.840 class like they were like ethically, I don't know. I 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.720 mean they were invasive species and on a farm and 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.520 killing animals, and so I guess then you're allowed to. 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:19.800 Kill the birds. 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.320 But she bought the birds from this guy who like 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:27.160 owned a farm in Wisconsin, and she's been buying European 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:31.760 starling bird corpses from this man for a decade and 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.519 he has never asked her what she's using the birds for. 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.400 Isn't that so scary? He's like that, I don't want 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:38.720 to know? 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:39.960 Is why? 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.040 Just if the check clears, it's all good. 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:46.880 Also, it all comes full circle because someone who had 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:51.640 a farm in Wisconsin, ed Gean, aka the person who 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.320 the book of this movie was loosely based on. 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:57.519 So no, well not mister ed that's a different guy. 0:02:58.280 --> 0:02:58.880 That's a horse. 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:02.959 So yeah, it all comes full circle. 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:03.480 It's true. 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:07.200 Anyway, Hello, and welcome to the Bechdel Cast. I think 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:12.040 that was a good trip, perfect, flawless, no notes. My 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.080 name is Caitlin Derante, my name is Jamie Loftus, and 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:18.280 this is the podcast where we discuss either taxidermy or 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.919 looking at your favorite movies from an intersectional feminist lens. 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:27.160 That long conversation about taxidermy mostly past the Bechdel test, 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.320 I believe, until we got to the pharm owner. 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:30.640 I think it did. Yeah. 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.960 And also on the record, our friend Bryant is watching 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:35.280 my bird. 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:37.720 I checked in on him a couple of times. He's 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:39.920 doing good. Glad to hear it. But that didn't pass 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.000 the Bechtel test. But why is that? 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:44.840 It's a media metric that we use as a jumping 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.000 off point for discussion. Certainly not the be all and 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.400 all of discussion at all, but Kitlin. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:51.280 What the hell is it? 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:55.360 Well, it's a media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:59.680 sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace Test, first appearing in Alison 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:03.680 bechtel comic Dex To Watch Out For in nineteen eighty five. 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:08.120 Intended originally as just like a one off goof a 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:12.760 bit a joke that has since been kind of co 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:17.120 opted into this pretty widespread media metric. There are many 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.440 versions of it. The one that we use is this, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:25.080 two characters of a marginalized gender have to have names, 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:27.960 they have to speak to each other, and their conversation 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:32.560 has to be about something other than a man, and 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:40.760 ideally for us, it's a big meaty conversation. Yeah, okay, sure, 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:42.200 sorry to say meaty. 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:44.680 Now, as a member of the tax star of his community, 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.600 I know a thing or two about meat. 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:54.159 Sure. So that's our show, today's episode. It's it's a big. 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.040 One, A long time coming, I think, yeah, because at 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:58.960 this point this show has been running long enough that 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.039 we've covered it lee. 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:06.320 One or so of the whatever considered the big director Ouvra. 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:10.160 Which is mostly white guys. It includes this one. Yeah, 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.320 but we've never covered this guy. And here we are. 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:13.960 The day has come. 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:19.679 We are covering nineteen sixty Alfred Hitchcock Psycho. It's true 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.680 and we have an amazing guest. I'm so excited for 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:22.080 our guests. 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:26.240 Yes, she is a film critic, podcaster, and columnist for 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.320 Total Film Magazine. It's Leila Latif. 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:36.720 Hi, Welcome, I'm so excited. Longtime listener, first time cooler, welcome. 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:38.760 Never stop calling. 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.080 But yeah, like this is not a soft landing. 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.480 This is heavy. 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:51.640 Yeah, I'm excited. This is a challenging movie in many 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.240 many regards, so it seems to be a different movie 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:55.599 every time I watch it. 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:57.760 It really is, I mean, and this is I think 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.160 part of the reason we haven't been acting avoiding Hitchcock. 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:05.480 But part of the reason that I've avoided it is 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:09.440 just logistically, there is so much written about this movie 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.559 and this director that you're like, how do you even 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.960 prepare for this episode? 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:16.320 And we're about to find out. 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.120 Right, Yeah, Jamie, you and I were both talking off 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:24.960 Mike about how we did a lot to prepare, like 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.560 the normal amount, but because there's just so much with 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:31.720 this movie. We feel like we've barely scratched the surface. 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.120 I kind of took approach where I was like, well, 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:38.680 there's just too much, so I'm going to do almost nothing. 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:39.279 Huh. 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:43.039 Except I read like Anthony perkins entire Wikipedia page. I 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.680 read a bunch of stuff about ed Gean. I listened 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:49.839 to part one of the Behind the Bastards episode on 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:54.000 Alfred Hitchcock. I obviously watched the movie several times. 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.800 I would say, that's not almost nothing. Why are you 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.880 being down with yourself? I was like, quite a bit. 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.080 You're right, it's like a working week. 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:07.480 Yeah, it's been a lot. Yeah, but I still feel 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:09.320 very unprepared. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:11.280 I think it's kind of hard not to. I mean, 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.760 I think between the three of us, you know, we've 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:16.800 I think it's interesting with this movie. There's so many 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.640 ways into talking about it, and it just seems sort 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.840 of like what stands out to you personally that you're 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:26.119 kind of drawn to. I was really drawn to how 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:30.200 serial killers and like mental illness are portrayed in this 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.320 movie and how it influenced other movies. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.600 Maybe we should just get into our personal histories. 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:36.760 Because when I was rewatching it I haven't seen this 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:41.760 movie in probably close to ten years, and I kind 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:46.200 of forgot how well we get to know Marian before 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.840 she dies, right, which there's a lot to talk about 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.080 with Marion for sure, which I feel like you wouldn't 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:54.560 know by the scenes from this movie that are the 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:55.200 most famous. 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:56.720 But we'll get to. 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:00.000 That, yeah, because it's just like she's getting stabbed. 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:03.320 But first let's get through what our personal history is 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.200 with I guess this movie and also just Alfred Hitchcock 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:06.880 in general. 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:11.080 Yeah, Leila, what's your experience with the overall? 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.960 Psycho just feels like something that I'd like never not 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.680 seen in a weird way, like I think is like 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:18.760 by the time I came to it, I just like 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.840 I'd seen so many parodies and references, and I knew 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:23.880 exactly what was going to happen with like the chest 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.760 spinning around, and I knew that there was this whole 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.520 thing where you know, she kind of dies at this 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.240 like midway point and stuff. So like I had so 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.440 much knowledge coming into it, and I watched every horror 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:36.600 movie like way too young. 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:38.280 It is probably like seven when I watched this for 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:38.880 the first time. 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:43.840 Like it just feels like omnipresent in my life in 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.839 a weird way, but like as a result like coming 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.160 back to it, and I'm kind of like you, Jamie, 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:51.280 Like it probably been about ten years since I've seen 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:55.760 it last, but it feels like the parodies could kind 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:57.800 of like gotten away from it, And it was really 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:02.520 nice to come back to because I reimagined Marian because 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.200 it's kind of like what she'd been in the culture 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.040 is like Drew Barron more from The Scream basically of 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.800 like the big star who like shot gets killed off, 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.040 rather than like she's in it till like the midway point. 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.840 I would say, yeah, the first forty five minutes or so, and. 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.480 She has like in a whole arc. It's like, it's 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.600 why I totally I didn't remember. 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.720 Yeah, it didn't feel like the rug pull that i'd 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:28.120 like remembered. Like I've still left this feeling like she 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.000 was the star of this movie. She was still the 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.560 protagonist rather than just some kind of plot twist device. 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.080 Yeah, right, Jamie, how about you? 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:41.800 My history with this movie, same thing. I mean, I 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:43.800 found myself as I was watching it this time. It 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.920 surprised me in a lot of ways. And it also 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:49.520 I don't know This feels like one of the few 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:54.360 movies where it's impossible to have a clean reading of 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.840 it because everyone knows what happens at the midpoint of 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.160 the movie. I would love to be able to see 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:03.119 this movie and not know that happens, but it's impossible. 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:04.680 By the time I saw it for the first time 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:09.840 in probably high school, everyone knows what happens, and I 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:13.320 think I remembered it as happening earlier in the movie. 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.160 But yeah, I mean, it's like you, it's so cultural 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:21.040 osmosisy that everyone knows the chair turning, everyone knows the 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:26.120 shower scene, and so it's it's an interesting watch because 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:29.000 you can't not know that kind of against your will. 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:33.679 And I think my relationship with Hitchcock I was in 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:37.240 fifth grade. For I had this amazing teacher who for 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:39.240 some reason decided he was going to show a bunch 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:45.480 of nine year olds The Birds, and there were two 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:49.400 kids that peeded themselves during the movie. It's just it 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:53.360 was an iconic fifth grade experience. Every kid in that 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.480 class remember seeing The Birds. Parents were upset. My mom 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.600 was like, huh, and then I didn't sleep for like 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:04.040 a week. And so that's I think my most vivid 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:08.559 Hitchcock related movie, and then learned more about him as 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:11.440 a person as an adult. It's like a wild ride 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:16.520 with his work, which we can get into later. And also, 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:20.120 I mean I listened to the Hitchcock episodes of Behind 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.040 the Bastards when they first came out, and. 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:25.280 I mean, holy shit, I mean. 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:31.400 This literally said quote women are a nuisance. So there's 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.280 a lot to get into. But this movie, I think 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:37.880 I came away from it surprised and with way more 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:41.280 to talk about than I originally thought. I went so 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.640 excited to talk about it, Caitlin, was your history with 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:46.720 Psycho the Hitchcock expanded Universe. 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.520 I saw it for the first time in college. I 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.480 think when I was watching a bunch of Hitchcock for 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:58.560 the first time, and like you, Jamie, I already knew 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:03.920 the iconic means the twist at the end, you know, 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:08.240 just through cultural osmosis. And then I think I didn't 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:12.600 watch it since, but I will think about the movie 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:18.400 basically anytime, because in the past few years, the conversation 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:23.920 about trans representation in media is more present in the zeitgeist, 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:28.680 and part of that conversation is the representation of like 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:35.480 trans and or gender non conforming people as murderers in media, 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:37.959 and I'd be like, oh, Psycho, Like Psycho is such 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:41.000 an early example of that, so like it just like 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:46.600 comes to mind every time that particular topic gets brought up. 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:51.200 And then rewatching the movie, I was like, oh, yes, confirmed, 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:53.920 So that will be I imagine a huge part of 0:12:53.960 --> 0:13:00.439 our discussion later on. But yeah, it's it's just weird 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:05.679 to me that such a huge like piece of cinema, 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:09.719 like an iconic piece of cinema, like such an influential 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:14.400 thing in American cinema that's so celebrated is also so 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:21.959 damaging and harmful to so many communities. So that's those 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.720 those are my initial thoughts on it. But yeah, I 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:28.480 haven't seen this movie. I think since I've watched it 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:34.160 that first time, probably like well over fifteen years ago. 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:39.160 But I generally like Hitchcock movies. It's weird, like I 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.040 like Strangers on a Train. I like Rear Window, I 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:46.400 like north By Northwest. I haven't seen Rope and a 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.400 few of his other like pretty major ones. 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.600 I'm with you, there are some like really tiny gems. 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.480 I mean, I about every decade I'll do like a 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:57.480 big Hitchcock rewatch and like the minor ones are so good, 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:01.160 like Lifeboat is amazing, rope Rocks, there's like. 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:06.160 Less problematic than Psycho in many regards. 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.679 But I think, like with that same nasty spirit, really 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:12.920 recommend Frenzy, which is basically his last good one. I mean, 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:15.440 and just like and I don't know, maybe it's like 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:19.680 my Britishness, but like I think he's like I love 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:25.040 his humor, Like There's a Lady Vanishes is so funny. 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:26.560 I never seen it. 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:27.760 It's really really funny. 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.480 And I always feel like humidates more than any other 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:34.480 genre of film, and like it's still like laugh at 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:39.320 loud funny and just stupid and like the best ways interesting. 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.840 I think we're having a conversation like this recently where 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:47.600 it's like, for all of this movie's difficult and often 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.920 just outright prejudiced ways of viewing the world. 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:51.720 It's a good movie. 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.680 And that's kind of why it has the cultural influence 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.640 that it does and why we're talking about it and 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:58.840 why it's like, I don't know, if you can make 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:03.480 a good movie and project those values, it's. 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.800 Kind of a scary amount of power to have. 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:12.080 I haven't done Hitchcock B Sides viewing before. I did 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:13.960 recently go back and watch the birds to see if 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.760 it was as scary as I remembered, and it was not. 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:21.200 It's pretty funny, though, it's a very fun It's terrible. 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:22.080 It's so bad. 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:22.840 Not good. 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:25.120 It's bad. 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:30.440 Yeah, okay, try being nine god yeah. 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:32.880 Fair, But like it all kind of like brings the 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.920 question of like the kind of autistic male genius were 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.080 in a way like I'll do mental gymnastics to like 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:43.480 make Psycho okay, and like try and like justify it 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:47.120 to myself. I can in no way justify that, like 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.680 Tippy Hedron was like tortured to make the buds. 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:55.200 It's so popular, absolutely, yeah, yeah, And it's so interesting 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:58.200 that there was only a care about it in any 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.320 cultural way in like five years years ago, because as 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:03.080 far as I know, she had spoken about it before 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.520 and no one cared. And then all of a sudden, 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:10.720 when the Me Too movement started getting some momentum, all 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.080 of a sudden, people cared and we're like, I can't 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:14.160 believe I didn't know this, And. 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:19.200 It's like, well you could have a long time ago. Yeah, yeah, Well, 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.240 shall we take a quick break and then come back 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:26.640 to recap the movie. Let's do it all right, We'll 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:42.680 be right back, and we're back. Here is the recap 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:49.120 of Psycho. We are in Phoenix, Arizona. Ever heard of it? 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:55.080 And we meet Marion Crane that's Janet Lee, of course. 0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:01.600 She is in a hotel room SMO coaching her boyfriend 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:06.480 Sam played by John Gavin. They are talking about getting married, 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:11.680 but they can't because he is in debt and he's 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:16.920 paying his ex his ex wife's alimony, and he can't 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:22.040 support her, and so they can't get married. Then we 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:26.399 see Marion at work at a real estate office where 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:30.720 a rich guy named mister Cassidy is there to buy 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.760 a house with a load of cash. 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:39.920 This fucking guy, this guy, he's so horrible. And then 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.600 he crossed into like campy territory for me when he 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:44.720 said I need a drinker, Rooney. 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:48.439 And he's like, well, what are we gonna do with 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:48.880 this guy? 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.240 He's just and it's just like tax evasion. 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.520 He's like, my daughter is my baby and my property. 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.399 I don't pay my taxes and I I want to 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:02.560 drink at work right now. 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.200 And I am such a terrible father that I assume 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.480 you can be an eighteen year old girl and never 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.919 had a sad day, And. 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:15.119 We learn all of this while he is sexually harassing 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:17.160 our protagonist. 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.960 It really is kind of an all timer. 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.960 And to be fair, the movie is aware that he's horrible, 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:27.080 but it was just like I didn't remember that character, 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.159 and I watched that scene three times because I was 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:30.800 just like, I don't know if I'm catching everything. 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.919 He's moving so fast he's Among. 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:35.960 The things is the fact that he has a lot 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:40.440 of cash of forty thousand dollars that he's just carrying around. 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.439 On him in nineteen sixty money, it's ninety six money 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:45.399 fucking juggled it. 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.359 You can just add a zero, which is very helpful mathwise, 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:50.800 So it's it's about four hundred, one. 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:51.719 Hundred thousand dollars. 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:52.359 Yeah. 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.800 Okay, so houses were expensive back then, too. 0:18:56.280 --> 0:19:00.000 Well that's like I'm probably a huge state. 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:00.960 Big ass house. 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:01.360 Yeah. 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.280 Anyway, So point is he's got cash. 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:07.320 One thing I loved about Marian right from the jump 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.719 was that she is giving it about two percent at 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:15.600 her job. I feel like that is rare to see 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.800 in any movie in a way that the movie is 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.720 sort of ambivalent about, Like she comes back really late 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.600 to work because she was having sex and then she 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:26.240 leaves twenty minutes later. 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.879 She's like, oh, my head, and then like I gotta go. 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.440 Like I just that's how I acted at my jobs 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:35.080 in my early twenties, and I kind of was like, 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:36.320 maybe I should bring it back. 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:38.080 Yeah, No, one seems bothered. 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.200 She's quietly quitting, no doubt about it. 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:48.000 She's given capitalism about the level of respect that it deserves. 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.600 Exactly, she does not give a shit, but she's worked 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:54.160 there for ten years. Like, you're just like, good for Marian, honestly, 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.960 like we should try less hard. 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:01.480 Yeah, it's true read wealth, go for it, Marian. 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:02.920 That was her plan. 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:07.520 Also, yeah, what she does a victimless crime. I think 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.520 you're just like, yeah, steal forty thousand dollars for someone 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:14.400 who's actually her as to you. You know, he's already rich, 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:15.359 he's the worst. 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.960 Do it, yeah, for sure, steal, eat the rich, steal 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:22.920 from the rich, et cetera. So he comes in with 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:28.160 this forty thousand dollars. Marian's boss, mister Lowry, tells her 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:32.520 to take it directly to the bank. So Marian leaves 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.960 with the cash, but she doesn't go to the bank. Instead, 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:39.800 she packs the suitcase and heads out of town with 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.639 the money. On her way out, her boss sees Marion 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:47.320 in her car and he's like, hmm, that's weird, and 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:52.360 she's like, oh no, and then the string instruments are 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:59.080 playing loudly and it's an anxious moment. Then for a 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:04.320 while a cop is tailing her. He follows her to California, 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:08.720 where she trades in her car for another car in 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:13.879 a transaction that takes like five minutes because it's the sixties, 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.680 and then she takes off again in a hurry. She's driving, 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:22.120 it's dark, it's pouring rain, so she pulls over at 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:25.159 the Bates Motel, which big mistake. 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:26.240 Big mistake, babe. 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:31.600 I really appreciated in that whole sequence because even when 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:34.639 the scenes are like kind of weirdly long, it feels 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:38.080 very intentional and like, you just I didn't really remember 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:40.080 the last time I saw this movie how intentional. 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:41.880 This movie is about setting up. 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:46.560 How Marian has to navigate her way through the world 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:50.760 like as a woman and as like an attractive woman, 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.720 very very intentionally, and it's like it's I don't know, 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:56.360 I feel a time. 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:59.480 Where you could easily get away with showing. 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:04.160 Woman or any character really just kind of moving through 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.040 the world like ah hahi. 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:08.080 Whatever, and just like half assing it. 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:11.760 There is like a menacing undertone to how every man 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:16.240 in the story treats her right up to her arriving 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:20.159 at base motel, and then by Norman as well, and 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:22.600 that whole sequence where she's driving towards the motel and 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:26.280 you hear kind of her fantasizing about how people will 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:28.639