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Speaker 1: of the chat Oh Cho. The Wolves beat the mav
Speaker 1: a man almost at a triple double. He had twenty
Speaker 1: nine points, ten rebounds, nine assists, the youngest player in
Speaker 1: NBA history to have one of those numbers in the
Speaker 1: elimination games. Cap what's the difference in the ball game?
Speaker 1: Shot nine to thirteen, four or five from the three
Speaker 1: point line, three or three from the free throw line.
Speaker 1: Although he was in foul trouble the majority of the
Speaker 1: night and he ended up filing out of the game,
Speaker 1: he gave them twenty five big points and I think
Speaker 1: he had like twenty twenty or twenty two in the
Speaker 1: second half. But they stave off elimination force the game five,
Speaker 1: and now they're going back to Minnesota trying to keep
Speaker 1: their playoff hope was a lot.
Speaker 4: Well, obviously they don't have to try anything because I
Speaker 4: told you what was gonna happen. They purposely allowed themselves
Speaker 4: to fall into a hole, and they're gonna shock the world.
Speaker 5: I told you now. The difference is the night game.
Speaker 4: But the difference in the first first two game first three,
Speaker 4: this was game four, Game three, This.
Speaker 2: Was game four.
Speaker 4: Okay, the difference in the first three games was there
Speaker 4: big two Kyrie and Luca. The difference in tonight game
Speaker 4: was goddamn ant Man and Cat Cat Game three, he
Speaker 4: was horrendous from three. Cat Tonight from three was phenomenal.
Speaker 4: Ant Man is gonna show you why he's a face
Speaker 4: of the league. I had a lot of people laughing
Speaker 4: at me making jokes. What makes you think he's a
Speaker 4: face of the league. They are zering three right now.
Speaker 4: He gonna show you. He's gonna show you My words
Speaker 4: never go wrong. And if I say the Wolves are
Speaker 4: gonna win in seven, they gonna win in seven.
Speaker 5: Now watch, it's never been done before. You witness in history.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you right now, Chat you witness, You're witnessing history.
Speaker 4: I'm never wrong on stuff like this.
Speaker 1: I think the difference in tonight's game. Kat was aggressive early.
Speaker 1: He didn't shoot a three ball until late yeah. And
Speaker 1: then he got the ball, he got the started posting up,
Speaker 1: he started driving the basketball, and then he saw the
Speaker 1: ball start to go in. And when the ball started
Speaker 1: to go in, he got gained more and more confidence
Speaker 1: and he shot those he wasn't forced. Hey, great swing passes.
Speaker 1: If you notice the night they ran the offense through
Speaker 1: ant Man and Man had nine assists. He did a
Speaker 1: great job. Yeah he had six turnovers, but you put
Speaker 1: him in a position that's that's normally Mike College job.
Speaker 2: They switched the defensive assignments.
Speaker 1: They put Jade and Daniels, Jayden McDaniels on Kyrie, They
Speaker 1: put ant Man on Luca. That seemed to work. Now
Speaker 1: what's gonna be the counter? What is gonna be Jason kids?
Speaker 1: Counter to what he saw tonight? But yeah, the Minnesota one,
Speaker 1: they played better. They got great production from their big two,
Speaker 1: and that's what you have to have.
Speaker 2: At some point in time.
Speaker 1: Your big two is gonna have to play the opposition
Speaker 1: is a big two, and tonight they did and they
Speaker 1: got them.
Speaker 2: They went on the road and they won a ball game.
Speaker 4: I got one small issue, one small issue. And man,
Speaker 4: I know you're gonna see this at some point, because
Speaker 4: y'all watch the show. When he puts the ball on
Speaker 4: the floor and he's able to drive from perimeter inside,
Speaker 4: when he's mid range, he keeps hesitating, He keeps he
Speaker 4: keeps hesitating after he's missing the shot, missing, after he's
Speaker 4: missed a shot or two. Man, don't hesitate, Man keep
Speaker 4: on shooting. Man pull the trigger. Every single time, every
Speaker 4: single time. There a few times where he beat his
Speaker 4: man off the perimeter. He gets inside mid range shot
Speaker 4: and instead of just just taking it, just shooting it,
Speaker 4: he passes it back out and trying to facilitate man
Speaker 4: shoots the shot, and it kind of looks like, even
Speaker 4: though I'm new to the game of basketball, it kind
Speaker 4: of looks like he's hesitating and it is not trusting
Speaker 4: his shot. In certain instances, he got he gotta let
Speaker 4: that thing go man.
Speaker 1: Just whether he did over passed the ball a couple
Speaker 1: of times, he's fifteen, he's a fifteen to ten feet away,
Speaker 1: Go ahead and take that shot. Yeah, hey, they trust
Speaker 1: you more than anybody else, So shoot the shot. If
Speaker 1: you make a miss, they'll live with that because you
Speaker 1: played well thus far. But I like the adjustment that
Speaker 1: they made. They put the ball in ant Man's hand.
Speaker 1: They let him like, bro, we need you to be aggressive.
Speaker 1: We need you to also open things up because they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to come to double team. And so now
Speaker 1: if you're gonna double team, and now you're gonna get
Speaker 1: Cat with some easy basket. Now you get Jade McDaniels
Speaker 1: making some easy basket. And so that's what you do.
Speaker 1: You make the offense a lot easier for everyone else
Speaker 1: when ant Man is aggressive, because they have to scramble
Speaker 1: to try to send two people at him, and somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna be wide open. I thought Mike Colly was aggressive early. Also,
Speaker 1: he did a great job in the first half of
Speaker 1: getting going. He got going early. At Man was extremely aggressive.
Speaker 1: He had fourteen points in the first quarter. Quarter yeaheah,
Speaker 1: But and then he got it going in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: Give those guys credit, O Joe. They found a way
Speaker 1: to win the game where no one really gave them
Speaker 1: a chance outside of that locker room. I'm sure some
Speaker 1: of their fans like, hey, we're gonna win this thing.
Speaker 1: But Dallas, Dallas, Dallas didn't play well. They didn't play.
Speaker 1: They seemed like they were lagging the whole night. Like
Speaker 1: Minnesota is just gonna lay down. Nobody wants to get swept.
Speaker 1: You see your heart getting down and played last night.
Speaker 1: Nobody needed to get swept.
Speaker 4: Listen, Luca scared me again, man, Like, yes, baby, I
Speaker 4: love you too, baby. Listen Luca, Luca scared me again tonight. Man, Yep,
Speaker 4: he scared me again tonight. Obviously, the pump fake get
Speaker 4: drawing Cat in, make forcing Cat the foul out, then
Speaker 4: tying it like, come on, man, what we're doing. And
Speaker 4: then I just talked about I just talked about Rudy
Speaker 4: saying why was Rudy Gobert in the game? In game
Speaker 4: three in that situation allowed Luca to hit that shot,
Speaker 4: and I said, well, it should have been Cat.
Speaker 5: Now it was Cat, and the same thing happened.
Speaker 1: Again were then, cause first of all, you don't want
Speaker 1: to give him a clean look at the basket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so Luca knows that.
Speaker 1: So once he picks up his dribble and and he
Speaker 1: hadn't shot, he hadn't shot the ball, he know Rudy's
Speaker 1: going to try to jump. So once he put pump
Speaker 1: facing Rudy's up in there, that was there was excuse me,
Speaker 1: Cat was up in there. And so once he pump
Speaker 1: fakes him, he knows, I got your daddy. Right now
Speaker 1: you're at my mercy because physics will allow you to
Speaker 1: jump and then turn you by the so you miss it.
Speaker 1: But I think we need to give him Minnesota a
Speaker 1: lot of credit. They did a great job on the glass.
Speaker 1: They out rebound him, although it's only by two. But
Speaker 1: I thought Cat was the difference in the ball game. Yes,
Speaker 1: ant Man was extremely aggressive. Twenty nine would have twenty
Speaker 1: eight points. No, he had twenty nine points, ten rebounds,
Speaker 1: nine assists. Yeah, but Cat only played thirty minutes and
Speaker 1: he was plus fifteen and plus minus twenty five points,
Speaker 1: five rebounds, one assist. I thought he did a great
Speaker 1: job of helping Aunt tonight because they needed it. They
Speaker 1: needed Cat. He could not have given them a performance
Speaker 1: like he's given them in the first three games.
Speaker 2: O joke team, They'd have been home no.
Speaker 1: Matter how good, no matter how good Aunt played, and
Speaker 1: Aunt played exceptional tonight. If Kat doesn't give you that
Speaker 1: you're going home, you are pretty late tonight.
Speaker 2: Lady, say Hi, why are you crying? Say Hi? Say
Speaker 2: what's up?
Speaker 5: Unk?
Speaker 2: Say what's up?
Speaker 1: Unc He said that I ain't got none to say.
Speaker 1: I ain't got nothing to say. Also live. I thought
Speaker 1: this would be a close game. I did think the
Speaker 1: Dallas would eke it out. But Lively is a different animal.
Speaker 1: He's more active around the basket than Gaffer. Than gafferd
Speaker 1: played well tonight, but to be able to rotate those
Speaker 1: big bodies, uh, they tried to go with the white
Speaker 1: Powe Luca looked at the bench twice, like get him
Speaker 1: out of here. He fumbled the ball one time, he
Speaker 1: didn't sit the correct screen, and so he Hukula looked
Speaker 1: at the bench for the second time. They took his
Speaker 1: ass out of the game and he didn't see any
Speaker 1: more action. Another thing, go Joe Kleeber just got back.
Speaker 1: He had a ac joint spring. If he's not gonna
Speaker 1: shoot the ball, he's no good to him his ability
Speaker 1: he is stretched. So if he can't make shots, why
Speaker 1: is he on the court, because they're not going to
Speaker 1: guard it. And he said that, you know, it still
Speaker 1: is still cumbersome. It hurts to shoot the ball. But
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna shoot the ball, they're playing five
Speaker 1: on four because you're not good enough in any other area.
Speaker 1: You're not a good defender, you're not a great rebounder,
Speaker 1: you're not a great facilitator. So you don't add anything
Speaker 1: else to the equation other than your ability you stretch
Speaker 1: the floor. And if you're not going to stretch the
Speaker 1: floor by shooting the basketball, what good are your services?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you just a liability at that point.
Speaker 1: So Minnesota stave off elimination. They send it back to
Speaker 1: Minnesota with a one oh five one hundred victory over
Speaker 1: the Dallas Mavericks at man twenty nine points, ten rebounds,
Speaker 1: nine to siss Mike Collin had fourteen points on three
Speaker 1: or four free throws, one of four from the free throw.
Speaker 2: Three point line.
Speaker 1: Cap twenty five twenty five big points, three or three
Speaker 1: from the free throw line, four or five from the three.
Speaker 1: They got thirteen points from and ten rebounds from Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 1: They got ten points from Jadon McDaniel's uh Niki Alexander
Speaker 1: had six points, Nas Reid had six and Kyle Anderson
Speaker 1: had two.
Speaker 4: And never forget, never forget. Like I said, Chad, stay
Speaker 4: with me now wolves and seven. You got every We
Speaker 4: are witnessing history and it will be made.
Speaker 2: I don't nobody that that coach r I don't show.
Speaker 1: It's time for our first segment of the night, and
Speaker 1: it's called a news cap.
Speaker 5: News cap. Yeah yeah, go baby, Go baby baby.
Speaker 1: The Celtics week the Pacers and route to the finals
Speaker 1: of the Celtics on where they're supposed to be. They
Speaker 1: were fourteen games above and six point seven better than
Speaker 1: any other team in the Eastern Conference. And you know
Speaker 1: when you got JT First Team All the NBA Jalen Brown,
Speaker 1: who was the lad Bird Recipient, which means he was
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference Finals MVP. Now they're heading to the
Speaker 1: finals having lost two games through the first three round,
Speaker 1: the fewest of any finalists in the last seven years.
Speaker 1: As we mentioned, Jalen Brown average twenty nine points a
Speaker 1: game on fifty two percent shooting, five rebounds, three as
Speaker 1: since he made the biggest shot of the series when
Speaker 1: he hit a game tying three in Game one, who
Speaker 1: knows how the series would have changed, how it would
Speaker 1: have turned out field. They definitely would have been playing
Speaker 1: a game five at the bare minimum. But he's the
Speaker 1: finals of the Eastern Conference Finals MVP. The last couple
Speaker 1: of games, JT really picked up his scoring, but it
Speaker 1: was Derek White again making a big three in the
Speaker 1: corner that puts him up by three. And the thing is, O, Joe,
Speaker 1: if you're watching this, watch this game last night. The
Speaker 1: Pacers an imposition, but the ending Brench shows his head again.
Speaker 1: Turnovers and turnovers, turnovers, you.
Speaker 4: Got it, and on top and on top of those turnovers,
Speaker 4: the Celtics got points off of those turnovers. Turnovers, turnovers
Speaker 4: as well. I think the funny thing. But the Pacers
Speaker 4: fort the Pacers fought very very very very very well
Speaker 4: and trying to do all they can to make sure
Speaker 4: it wasn't a sweet But obviously without Halliburton it was
Speaker 4: already a tall task if he was playing, but without
Speaker 4: him playing, it was it was almost impossible. But they
Speaker 4: did play well.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't want to get his name the
Speaker 5: wrong way.
Speaker 4: Oh hey boy, young hey young bull, young young hey,
Speaker 4: young bull. Left it all on the court last night.
Speaker 4: He left it all in the court last night. He played,
Speaker 4: He played well, He played really well. They got a player,
Speaker 4: he got They got a player. Now we've seen him
Speaker 4: take big shots. That big shot that he hit against
Speaker 4: the Knicks and what was that Game three, he'll be
Speaker 4: big shot. A couple of years ago, I think he
Speaker 4: hit a big shot against the Lakers that beat them
Speaker 4: at the game was tied and uh or they were
Speaker 4: up one, Lakers were up one, and he ends up
Speaker 4: hitting a three and winning the game. So he's not
Speaker 4: afraid to take and make big shots. But I was
Speaker 4: very I was very excited to see how well he played.
Speaker 1: He's a young player. Yeah, you have some unfortunate turnovers,
Speaker 1: and some crucial situations. But he'll learn from that and uh,
Speaker 1: he'll be a better player for it. But I like,
Speaker 1: I like uh, I like the way he played. And
Speaker 1: this team mm hmmm, they get they got to make
Speaker 1: it to being something special. They could be good. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's gonna you know, free agency is about
Speaker 1: to hit and the next month or so and the
Speaker 1: next thing, Hey, we can make it, we can make
Speaker 1: we can lure somebody, uh in free agency. I'm sure
Speaker 1: the Sixers are saying, hey, we can lure somebody in
Speaker 1: free agency. Miami is definitely pat Riley is always looking
Speaker 1: to lure someone in Miami. Compare with Jimmy Butler and
Speaker 1: Bam and so it's going be very very interesting to
Speaker 1: see how this thing shakes out.
Speaker 2: But congratulations to the Indiana Pacers. They did.
Speaker 1: They put up a value and effort. But the Celtics
Speaker 1: were just too good down the stretch and the clutch situations.
Speaker 1: And that's what I wanted to see because far too
Speaker 1: many times in the regular season we've seen them lose
Speaker 1: games like they won games won three and four.
Speaker 2: So give those guys credit.
Speaker 1: They're moving on to their twenty third NBA Finals tried
Speaker 1: to break the tie they have. Both the Lakers and
Speaker 1: the Celtics have seventeen championships apiece. Now it's the quest for.
Speaker 4: Eighteen and this is the year for Jason Tatum. Huh,
Speaker 4: he got to do it this year. So there is
Speaker 4: the championship a bus.
Speaker 1: It's always no as always, that's the Celtics. I mean
Speaker 1: certain teams you know, that's Lebron, that's Step that's KD
Speaker 1: Championship of bus. I mean what are you playing for?
Speaker 1: I mean, you got all the accolades. You've won MVPs,
Speaker 1: you won finals, you won scoring titles, you've been All NBA,
Speaker 1: You've been an All Star game.
Speaker 2: So what are you playing for now? That's it? Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1: You a three time first team All NBA selection, You've
Speaker 1: been an All Star, You're going to the Olympics. What
Speaker 1: are you playing for now? If it's not championships? So yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's championship or bus.
Speaker 5: Yeah go, Mommy want you.
Speaker 1: Gordon Hayward's wife had a lot to say on IG today.
Speaker 1: Robin Hayward said, why trade for someone and not play them?
Speaker 1: Missed it by not integrating him. Since I have time
Speaker 1: today before the trade Gordon told Sam he didn't think
Speaker 1: the trade made sense, So how can he miss when
Speaker 1: a player told you, again, Hi, Brody, not sure if
Speaker 1: you know this, but you need a ball in order
Speaker 1: to shoot.
Speaker 5: Hey, I like that.
Speaker 4: I like that the wife, the wife coming to the
Speaker 4: defense of the player, and obviously you do need the
Speaker 4: vall shit. I know Gordon Hayward a little bit, not personally, obviously.
Speaker 4: The few games that I have watched before I started
Speaker 4: doing Nightcap, and I've seen him play. If I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 4: he's a he's a good perimeter shooter. He's good from three,
Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken. I've seen him when he's with
Speaker 4: the Hornets, right with the Hornets at one point. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, the decent player. So I'm not sure how
Speaker 4: it's come to this point where he's not efficient or effective.
Speaker 4: And if he was traded on the team, they traded
Speaker 4: for him for a reason, so why wasn't he used
Speaker 4: in the right way?
Speaker 1: Man said, I made a mistake. You ever made a mistake?
Speaker 1: You have bought something to say, Man, I shouldn't have
Speaker 1: bought that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's not nice to say, especially at the GM.
Speaker 4: Then you're in that position that listen, listen to me
Speaker 4: a position of power and that there are certain things
Speaker 4: that you're supposed to keep it.
Speaker 1: I see when when when when I say that about player,
Speaker 1: you get upset with me? When coaches say certain things
Speaker 1: about players, you get upset. Why are you getting up
Speaker 1: saying that they telling the truth? You say telling the
Speaker 1: truth set your free?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean telling the truth will set you free.
Speaker 4: But is it right for a person in his position
Speaker 4: to say something like that about a player because you
Speaker 4: know other players see stuff like that and.
Speaker 5: Be like, you know what, Hell, no, I don't want
Speaker 5: to get him.
Speaker 2: Oh that's how they didn't say he was a bad player,
Speaker 2: he said. Based on what he said. Listen, what happened?
Speaker 1: He said, we were a different team than when we
Speaker 1: got him because guys started to play better. If guy's
Speaker 1: starting to play better, what am I gonna do? So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take him out, or I'm gonna take Jayalen
Speaker 1: Williams out, or I'm gonna take Chad out, or I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take Lou Dorrit out. Let's be real. Gordon Hayward
Speaker 1: hadn't been the same since he broke that leg in Boston.
Speaker 1: Let's be all the way real. Yeah, he had great
Speaker 1: he had great seasons in Utah. Yes, bro man, it's
Speaker 1: been a long time since Utah. We gotta stop this note.
Speaker 1: Sam Presty said, look, we made a mistake. I missed
Speaker 1: on that one. He can't be perfect. I mean he traded,
Speaker 1: he traded for shape, he drafted Jaylen Wieds, he drafted
Speaker 1: Chat I mean every other thing that he's done. He
Speaker 1: got what he could out of the rough trade he
Speaker 1: brought Chris paul In traded him, got some more compensation.
Speaker 2: I think he's done a great job.
Speaker 1: All he's saying, he's not saying Gordon Hayward is a
Speaker 1: bad player. He said I missed because coming here we
Speaker 1: got better and there was no room for him to play.
Speaker 5: I don't like that.
Speaker 4: There's always room, there's always a room for a player
Speaker 4: of his caliber.
Speaker 5: How do we know the opportunity?
Speaker 1: Why Shawna traded me? If he's that Why Charlotte trade him?
Speaker 1: If he's that player, Why Boston traded him? If he's
Speaker 1: that player.
Speaker 4: When Charlotte was dumping. Charlotte was dumping at that time
Speaker 4: in rebuilding. If I'm not mistaken, right rebuilding, what the
Speaker 4: house already point exactly.
Speaker 1: Think about it. Remember he was wasn't he hold on?
Speaker 1: Wasn't he deal with Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum and
Speaker 1: big Al?
Speaker 2: Yeah, how that worked out for him? So why is
Speaker 2: he not in Boston?
Speaker 5: You're sure?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, the game of basketball is different, and
Speaker 4: it's all about what you've done for me lately. Unless
Speaker 4: you're a super, super duperstar, then you really ain't going
Speaker 4: nowhere unless you force your hand and you want out.
Speaker 2: It's like d Rose. D Rose wasn't the same player
Speaker 2: after he towards me.
Speaker 1: Gordon Hayward was not the same player after he broke
Speaker 1: his leg.
Speaker 2: He just wasn't. He wasn't.
Speaker 1: Nobody in the chat, even the staunches Gordon Hayward fan,
Speaker 1: will tell you he's not the same player, not even closed.
Speaker 1: He's a shell of himself. And could he have been
Speaker 1: the seventh guy? But that's not what he's making. It
Speaker 1: seem like he should have been the sixth man in
Speaker 1: the starting rotation.
Speaker 2: Bro, that's not you anymore.
Speaker 5: And ah, that's that's tough.
Speaker 4: How's it talk up and stuff? Because I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 4: sitting here thinking about the players. I'm not saying he's
Speaker 4: Adrian Peterson. But Adrian Peterson towards a c L and
Speaker 4: came back. It was still that. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about have been injured before Kevin Durant. Kevin
Speaker 4: Durant towards Achilles, came back and was still that. To
Speaker 4: tell me, to tell me, tell me, mister Gordon broke
Speaker 4: his leg and came back and all of a sudden.
Speaker 2: He's not.
Speaker 1: Let me ask your question. When Dack rose to his knee,
Speaker 1: was he ever that same player?
Speaker 5: And not listen, Derek, I'm.
Speaker 1: Was he the same player? We know he was special,
Speaker 1: so we know he's special. It was he the same It.
Speaker 4: Took away, it took away some of his skill and
Speaker 4: ability and the explosion that he did had.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So what about So what about Gordon Hayward?
Speaker 5: What so?
Speaker 1: What did Gordon Hayward average in Utah? He was like
Speaker 1: a twenty point score? He made the All Star team.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Me, personally, I thought he was overvalue from the jump.
Speaker 1: That's just me personally watching the game, watching him play,
Speaker 1: I thought he was overvalue. Okay, the Celtics thought it
Speaker 1: would be a great acquisition. Okay, fine, I ain't got
Speaker 1: no problem with that.
Speaker 2: But go.
Speaker 1: Uh, his last couple of years in Utah, what the
Speaker 1: average he was like a twenty and twenty and six guy?
Speaker 1: Twenty two? Yeah, twenty two five, twenty two, five and three?
Speaker 1: Okay in Boston? What was his best year in Boston?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: He made the All Star team his last year in Utah.
Speaker 1: That's how he got that MAX contract. He probably should
Speaker 1: have stayed there, but okay, he wanted to win. He
Speaker 1: didn't think he could win in Utah. I got no
Speaker 1: problem with that. I commend the guy for giving up
Speaker 1: that fifth year in going to Boston because he thought
Speaker 1: they had a better chance of winning. He broke his
Speaker 1: leg like the first game, like the first game of
Speaker 1: the season. Next teak the average seventeen he had, he
Speaker 1: averaged eleven, then seventeen. Went to Charlotte average twenty.
Speaker 5: See you see.
Speaker 2: Fifteen. Okay, after twenty see Charlotte fifteen nine?
Speaker 4: All right, Hello, are we understanding why those numbers are
Speaker 4: decreasing because the playing time is decreasing as well. I
Speaker 4: don't think I'm just personally, I don't think there's anything
Speaker 4: wrong with Gordon Hayward. I just think he's not getting
Speaker 4: the playing time that's needed to score the twenty to
Speaker 4: score the nineteen.
Speaker 5: That's all.
Speaker 4: And I know him, I know him right, I know
Speaker 4: I'm right, because you just don't fall for goddamn Cliff
Speaker 4: simply because you.
Speaker 5: Broke you got.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes you're not you're not the same player.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a It's not like he had
Speaker 1: great athletic system to begin with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that trop I'm assuming he's a perimeter show now
Speaker 4: range he's good.
Speaker 5: I'm assuming he's nice from the three.
Speaker 1: Let's just say you're only a step better and you
Speaker 1: lose that step, then what happened to Joe?
Speaker 4: Then if you if you have that weakness, what your
Speaker 4: team can do. They can run plays for you to
Speaker 4: free you up. That's that's that's that's that's what that's
Speaker 4: what they do in NBA. That's what they do in
Speaker 4: the NFL. When a certain player has weaknesses and he
Speaker 4: can't win on his own, you.
Speaker 1: Didn't when the season, what they do with that player
Speaker 1: They move on. You know how when a player gets
Speaker 1: old and he's not giving you that same production, they
Speaker 1: ask you to take a play cut first, right, Hey bro, hey, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know we we know you used to give us
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen hundred can you give a twelve fifty for
Speaker 1: a third of the salary? Nah man, I can't put Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: then we're gonna have to release you. Yeah, I me
Speaker 1: personally looking like I said, I don't like I said.
Speaker 1: I watched Gordon Hayward. I know his game. Uh he
Speaker 1: was an outstanding player. Uh. I didn't have him as
Speaker 1: a top twenty player, but he was a solid player.
Speaker 1: Twenty two, five and three says that he's a solid player.
Speaker 1: Getting those numbers in the NBA good, But he goes
Speaker 1: to Boston. I'm not so sure that was the best fit.
Speaker 1: When you got j T and jb.
Speaker 4: Uh to play three, I mean that's a nice that's
Speaker 4: a nice three h for someone that's scoring twenty.
Speaker 1: They all play basically the same guy. All of them
Speaker 1: are small forwards. So if he was a big and
Speaker 1: not you got JBN j T. You can sight either word.
Speaker 1: You can make those them a change. You can play
Speaker 1: them at the three to four, you can slide one
Speaker 1: to the two, but they're really the same.
Speaker 4: Goddamn it, Tell tell tail, goddamn it, say well, come
Speaker 4: on down and come on down to Miami. We'll take him.
Speaker 4: We'll take him. Where's a supposure know what to do
Speaker 4: with you. Come on down here goingon, hey with I
Speaker 4: know you' gonna see just come on down to Miami.
Speaker 4: We know what to do with your Yeah, I mean shit,
Speaker 4: we know how to, we know how to, we know
Speaker 4: how to use what they call him.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, uh, you know, Pat could have traded
Speaker 1: for when and the trade deadline like like okay, traded
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 5: I mean, it depends on what we had at the time.
Speaker 5: He might not have been on our radar at the time.
Speaker 4: But now that this is coming out and the wife
Speaker 4: has to defend him because of an individual that comes
Speaker 4: out publicly and says he's made a mistake, you know,
Speaker 4: or you don't do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm surprised. I'm surprised. Presty said that.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to disagree with you because that doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like him.
Speaker 2: But I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Probably in the exit interview, probably what you heard is
Speaker 1: that Gordon Hayward probably said some of the things same
Speaker 1: things that he wasn't He wasn't excited about his time.
Speaker 2: He felt he should have gotten more minutes, and you know.
Speaker 5: You know what happening.
Speaker 4: If he had got more minutes, he would have scored
Speaker 4: more goddamn points, especially when you had the green light
Speaker 4: to shoot. Sometime you go to certain places, it's you do.
Speaker 4: You don't feel comfortable. You're walking on eggshells. And that's
Speaker 4: why not only a decrease in minutes, but a decreasing
Speaker 4: points from Utah to Boston.
Speaker 5: That is the reason why they went down.
Speaker 4: Okay, see shit, Charlotte, I just don't I just don't
Speaker 4: see anyone that was scoring twenty two, six and five
Speaker 4: just falling complete mineft.
Speaker 2: But he is not that player that would warrant thirty
Speaker 2: five forty minutes.
Speaker 1: Okay score in order to score the amount of points
Speaker 1: that he's playing. He's probably playing thirty eight minutes where
Speaker 1: he's no longer that guy. So he can't give you
Speaker 1: that kind of production. So if you're not playing those
Speaker 1: kind of minutes, how can I give you? To say, oh, Jo,
Speaker 1: how can I give you the same production? If you
Speaker 1: don't give me the same number of targets. If you
Speaker 1: cut my targets in half, you're gonna cut my production
Speaker 1: in half. Yeah, running back gets three hundred carriages, he
Speaker 1: rushes for fifteen hundred yard. You give him one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty. You still think he's gonna get fifteen hundred
Speaker 1: not gonna have for Oh you catch it, you catch
Speaker 1: him for fourteen hundred yards. But I'm giving you one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty targets a season. Well, oh y'all want
Speaker 1: to go get one hundred targets. You ain't go up
Speaker 1: with that number because now one hundred targets, that means
Speaker 1: you gotta catch every ball and average fourteen to fifteen
Speaker 1: yards to catch just to get to fourteen fift hundred yard.
Speaker 2: With you would don't bru, You're gonna leave the lead.
Speaker 1: You will be top three if you average fifteen yards
Speaker 1: to catch on that many catches. Right, So that's why
Speaker 1: I just, like I said, I'm surprised. I am surprised
Speaker 1: that Sam pressed it like I made a mistake.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's stuff like that.
Speaker 4: You're keeping house at GM, the g of the gms,
Speaker 4: and made made mistakes as well, whether it be MLB,
Speaker 4: whether it be NBA, whether it be NFL. They don't
Speaker 4: come out and probably say, you know what, I made
Speaker 4: a mistake. How do you think it makes that individual
Speaker 4: feel that you made that mistake?
Speaker 5: On?
Speaker 4: How do you think other players feel about coming to
Speaker 4: an organization where you feel well, damn if you can
Speaker 4: do that to Gordon Hayward.
Speaker 1: What the hell you think about me? They got a
Speaker 1: young they look, they got a young team. They didn't
Speaker 1: want to mess up their chemistry. They had a great
Speaker 1: rotation going. If you look at those guys, that's still
Speaker 1: the youngest roster uh in the NBA. They made it
Speaker 1: to the second round. Their core players Shay Jaylen Williams, Chat,
Speaker 1: Lou Dort, Isaiah Joe. They got some nice pieces, Josh Giddy,
Speaker 1: They got some nice pieces. They need another big, They
Speaker 1: need another big and maybe another front line player. Man, Hey, Paul, George,
Speaker 1: you interested in coming back?
Speaker 2: George?
Speaker 1: Or go get a big, Go get a dred Drummond
Speaker 1: that con that and take some minutes off Chat that
Speaker 1: can battle with a yo Ki that can battle with
Speaker 1: some of the bigs down down low.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I like it.
Speaker 1: But missus Hayward was not happy with saying what Sam
Speaker 1: Presty said.
Speaker 4: As she and rightfully rightfully so she should cuss his
Speaker 4: ass out. Cinema send a center letter, matter of fact,
Speaker 4: right right, goddamn not David Stern, what's a young bull
Speaker 4: name that?
Speaker 5: That's the commission on Adam Silver?
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Adam, Ship, just just just this this voicing
Speaker 4: your displeasure with the comments by a general manager. Somebody
Speaker 4: at a position of power that's that at a seat
Speaker 4: that high, shouldn't.
Speaker 5: Be making that kind of comment. Ship, God damn it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Is he a free agent? It's gonna be addressed.
Speaker 2: He's a free agent.
Speaker 5: Yeah, come on down to Miami, mister Hayward, come on
Speaker 5: down to Miami. We know what to do with you.
Speaker 2: You a frig Okay, how many take its to get here?
Speaker 2: Free agent? Oh?
Speaker 4: He gonna get something. Listen, it might not have worked that, okay.
Speaker 5: See.
Speaker 4: Sometimes process of elimination relationship after relationship after relationship after relationship,
Speaker 4: until you find the one that fit. And that's all
Speaker 4: it is. That's all it is, until you find the
Speaker 4: one that fit. And right here in Miami, Gordon Haywood
Speaker 4: is a great place for you.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 4: Now, if you need to, you need help finding a place,
Speaker 4: I can help you. I got my real estate license.
Speaker 2: How much how much you think Gordon Haywood has made
Speaker 2: in his career?
Speaker 5: Let me see if you said he was a max player.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure when he signed that Mac contract, but
Speaker 4: just off the top of my head, how many years
Speaker 4: have you been in the league.
Speaker 2: Now, he's been leading longer than that, like twelve twelve.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's been in the league fourteen years. But
Speaker 1: you know he played for years, so he missed the
Speaker 1: entire season. So okay, I.
Speaker 4: Can tell you right now he's probably earned you Tell
Speaker 4: me if I'm wrong to right, he's probably earned two
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty seven million at this point. Tell me
Speaker 4: I'm wrong, right, he need to go higher? Oh shit,
Speaker 4: wait too eighty three?
Speaker 2: Lord to seventy.
Speaker 4: Okay, round to seventy. Okay, okay, okay, God dang, hey man,
Speaker 4: I got it. I need to be too late. Oh Joe,
Speaker 4: he should have thought about it. You should have thought
Speaker 4: thought about all the thing, like the baseball players. You
Speaker 4: see the money they make it five hundred million, seven
Speaker 4: hundred million.
Speaker 2: It's too late, old Joe.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Ain't never too lately.
Speaker 4: I ain't never too While I'm still listen, while I'm
Speaker 4: still willing and able, and my upper and lower body
Speaker 4: extremities are still working. There's always a chance. There's always
Speaker 4: a chance I can dream. I can be like the
Speaker 4: little engine that could. I just got to keep on pushing.
Speaker 4: We should have thought about that. But you know, playing
Speaker 4: baseball bat costs money. Glove costs money. Yeah, oh yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: trade traveling, uh uh traveling yeah, au oh yeah that
Speaker 4: costs money.
Speaker 2: Ain't how that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and plus that gratification. Man, ain't nobody them honeys
Speaker 1: ain't coming out there sitting no hot sun.
Speaker 2: They go. They gonna be at the football game or
Speaker 2: the basketball game.
Speaker 1: Oh, Joe, Isaiah Thomas, Little Isaiah Thomas has an ak
Speaker 1: pulled on him in his own city. Really tripping. How
Speaker 1: these young kids are moving around. I really almost I
Speaker 1: really had a life changing moment yesterday where a kid
Speaker 1: pulled an AK forty seven out on me and the
Speaker 1: homi And if it wasn't for who I was and
Speaker 1: him recognizing me in my own city, he probably would
Speaker 1: have ended all our lives.
Speaker 2: Be safe. They're different out there.
Speaker 1: He listen, we talk about it, about it or about
Speaker 1: I ain't talking about Ze, I'm talking about Boston Celtics.
Speaker 4: Isaid, yeah, you you you got you got to be careful, man,
Speaker 4: You got to be you got to be careful, even
Speaker 4: if it's your.
Speaker 5: Homeown You got to understand where you are.
Speaker 4: The younger generation, there is no respect there is no
Speaker 4: respect regardless of who you are what you've done, especially
Speaker 4: in the past.
Speaker 5: Uh, they don't see that. They don't see that.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: Now, the older cats would probably know who you are
Speaker 4: and have a little bit more respect for you and
Speaker 4: what you've done in your community in the n b A.
Speaker 4: Knowing that that's where you're from. You know, they show
Speaker 4: you a little bit more grace. You know, them younger cats,
Speaker 4: you know, and you think about, oh, somebody pulled the AKA.
Speaker 5: You already know that that ain't nothing. But somebody young
Speaker 5: that has no.
Speaker 2: Ak.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't really move like that, so
Speaker 5: I don't really know that. Y's my bad.
Speaker 1: In his hometown of Coma, Washington, Yeah, saying them them
Speaker 1: young boys, they different, they moved different.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and listen today everything is wild today. Everything
Speaker 4: is wild today. You know during our day, our day,
Speaker 4: there were structure, there were structure. There's certain things you
Speaker 4: couldn't do unless you got an okay green light.
Speaker 5: That's if you run in the streets like that.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I'm part of the streets, but they
Speaker 4: had a great understanding of how it worked.
Speaker 5: Because it's where I grew up. Today. Oh, they ain't
Speaker 5: no goddamn order. They ain't no order.
Speaker 4: Everybody just they run the West quick and no matter
Speaker 4: who you are.
Speaker 2: They make you give up. So yeah, man, it's different.
Speaker 2: It's a different time now.
Speaker 1: Sold You said he was in his hometown right Coma, Washington,
Speaker 1: And that's that's crazy, man, that's crazy. In the OTAs
Speaker 1: the NFL Players Are Sociation is working to finalize a
Speaker 1: proposal to overhaul.
Speaker 2: The off season starting as soon as.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five, eliminating voluntary on field workout in the
Speaker 1: spring and in favor of longer training camp ramp up,
Speaker 1: with players reporting in mid June early July. Basically, the
Speaker 1: ideal would be rolling extended OTA style ramp up, strength
Speaker 1: and conditioning, non padded work, et cetera, straight into training
Speaker 1: camp without six weeks of breaking de escalation between a
Speaker 1: major change.
Speaker 2: Do you like this O choke?
Speaker 5: Absolutely not. Don't change it up.
Speaker 4: Don't change it up, because you got to understand what
Speaker 4: you're doing is also you're taking money out of people's pocket.
Speaker 4: Sometimes the players in their contracts, they have incentives to
Speaker 4: come to these voluntary workouts, you know, And why would
Speaker 4: you want to extend training camp? Because I thought we
Speaker 4: were I thought we were about protecting the players.
Speaker 1: Culcher, we we've long decided that it was about the money.
Speaker 1: So we've been decided what it was about. But you
Speaker 1: can see where this thing is headed. So what you
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do is that we're gonna have this
Speaker 1: long roll out one preseason game and we're gonna hit
Speaker 1: the game running. We're gonna hit the field. We're going
Speaker 1: to hit the ground the field running. So that's what
Speaker 1: you're building up to. And maybe you still put that
Speaker 1: in your contract, O Joe, mm hmm, maybe you still
Speaker 1: put that in your contract.
Speaker 4: Okay, take take take the money from the program and
Speaker 4: attitude in season.
Speaker 1: I mean I never put that. I never had that
Speaker 1: in my contract because I wasn't gonna come. So unless
Speaker 1: you give me a half a million dollars, I wasn't gonna.
Speaker 1: I wasn't willing to for fifty thousand. I wasn't willing
Speaker 1: to stay in Denver. I want to do my own
Speaker 1: workout because I know I was gonna push myself harder
Speaker 1: than what I was.
Speaker 2: Gonna work out there.
Speaker 1: And I was the only one that might that wasn't
Speaker 1: required to be in Ota in offseason conditioning.
Speaker 2: I'm the only one in Mike Shanahan's career. Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: I don't, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't like it though. I don't like it though.
Speaker 4: I don't like taking away the preseason games for those
Speaker 4: that sign as free agents, for those that have come
Speaker 4: out of the college and get an opportunity to make
Speaker 4: the team. I don't like it for those that are third, fourth, fifth,
Speaker 4: and sixth round draft picks, because they need that film.
Speaker 4: They need that film of those three or four preseason
Speaker 4: games that they do playing to get a chance not
Speaker 4: only to make that squad, but to put themselves on
Speaker 4: tape as a resume for other teams that might need
Speaker 4: a body at that position.
Speaker 5: I don't like it. I don't like it.
Speaker 4: I don't like it because it takes away from them
Speaker 4: and their opportunity to get a chance to play in
Speaker 4: the NFL.
Speaker 1: Man, you know how I feel. I mean, I made
Speaker 1: it because we had five games. That's the only If
Speaker 1: we'd have had three, I wouldn't have made it. We'd
Speaker 1: have had four, the conventional I wouldn't have made it.
Speaker 1: It was the very last game in which I made it,
Speaker 1: so you already know how I feel. I was talking
Speaker 1: to Commissioner He's like, what do you think about the
Speaker 1: new rules, I'm like, commissioned. I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I ain't crazy about it. I understand why you guys
Speaker 1: are implementing. Because the kickoff, the concussion rate goes up exponentially.
Speaker 1: You're talking about probably extra twenty thirty forty percent because
Speaker 1: the collisions are so great.
Speaker 2: You get twenty.
Speaker 1: Miles an hour running this way, twenty miles an hour
Speaker 1: running that way, and when they collide, something bad gonna
Speaker 1: happen eventually every time, especially if you you know, you
Speaker 1: do that x amount of time. If you score on
Speaker 1: a field goal, you score on a you know, a
Speaker 1: punt return or something like that. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of kickings, eat even punts. But I get it. I say,
Speaker 1: for me, probably probably wouldn't have made it. Probably would
Speaker 1: have had to wait another year, probably spent some time
Speaker 1: on a practice squad for somebody to give me an opportunity.
Speaker 1: Hopefully I showed enough for the Broncos. But I just
Speaker 1: made it because of special team. Made it because of kickoff.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was a wide receiver and I would go down
Speaker 1: there and like, somebody ass up, But I didn't care.
Speaker 2: I throw called you to the way I'm making this different.
Speaker 4: But think about that, you had five teams to do it,
Speaker 4: and you were able to make it because of special teams.
Speaker 4: Now imagine them eliminating the off season program and then
Speaker 4: having training camp, and then how do these individuals make
Speaker 4: the team now with nothing to put on film?
Speaker 5: One preseason game. That's not enough.
Speaker 4: That's not nearly enough enough opportunities for individual to say like,
Speaker 4: oh my goodness, look who this says? Standing out on film,
Speaker 4: where you could make yourself, where you become more than
Speaker 4: just a number. You need those games, man, You need
Speaker 4: the time to put your resume together, and those those
Speaker 4: two three games during the preseason, it does wonder.
Speaker 2: S and ojo.
Speaker 1: I was still in school, so what a lot of guys,
Speaker 1: A lot of guys were out of school, and so
Speaker 1: they were in the off season program. Man, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get my degree. Man, I wasn't dropping out of
Speaker 1: school all now. Well I'm too close now, So I
Speaker 1: didn't end up getting that your June, and so the
Speaker 1: OTAs were ending like the second week of June, so
Speaker 1: I really only got two weeks of OTAs and before
Speaker 1: I had to leave and go do my own thing.
Speaker 1: And then come back. But back then and they still
Speaker 1: do it not sometimes, Ojo. We came in the rookies
Speaker 1: and the first year players had to come in like
Speaker 1: three days before the best got there, and so we
Speaker 1: padded it up. We hitting even before the actual training
Speaker 1: camp in which the events arrived. Oh yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know how they do it now, but I do see
Speaker 1: sometimes rookies report on this day and the advance report
Speaker 1: on the later day. But we're putting paths on. We
Speaker 1: doing nine on seven, We doing everything that we're going
Speaker 1: to do in training. Oh yes, oh yes, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Had had had nine on seven, one on one listen
Speaker 1: the most, the most we put on with shells.
Speaker 5: Remember the little shells, the little shells.
Speaker 2: We had, man ain't nobody had them back then.
Speaker 1: See back then they had you have spoder pass you know,
Speaker 1: the spider pants that you put on a fun of
Speaker 1: a fund of your shoulder pants.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, shot the shock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we didn't have shells like yoh show we
Speaker 1: have paths on Wednesday Thursday, and we have paths on
Speaker 1: Friday with shorts.
Speaker 2: There wasn't no shade. What the hell you talking about?
Speaker 5: Oh no, come on now, I'm telling you. Hey, listen.
Speaker 1: When I tell people, people don't understand bro nine O
Speaker 1: seven was really putting people down. Seven O seven seven
Speaker 1: o seven was a third up. You ain't just catching
Speaker 1: no balls, say oh let him catch it?
Speaker 2: Oh man, please. It was a different time back then.
Speaker 1: Now probably like the forty nine ers were the only
Speaker 1: team that the West Coast system. And you see how
Speaker 1: they do a lot of teams doing now, they were
Speaker 1: the only one doing that. And then as that tree
Speaker 1: started splintering, you got Mike Homer leaving, You got Steve Marray,
Speaker 1: you got other guys leaving they brought and implemented that system.
Speaker 1: You got Andy. Yeah, Mike Homer took a lot of
Speaker 1: those guys with him the Green Bay. He took Andy Reid,
Speaker 1: he took John Gruden, who took Steve Marray ucci. And
Speaker 1: so as those guys start to get in head coaching jobs,
Speaker 1: they started implementing that WestCoast system where you're you know,
Speaker 1: you're only hitting about ten times or ten times a week,
Speaker 1: and that's normally on Thursday. Everything else is in shells
Speaker 1: because you practice some speed, not so much hitting.
Speaker 2: But oh no, bad two you kidding me?
Speaker 5: Boy?
Speaker 1: They brave, Hey, they got buttered from a duck back then, Yes, sir, Yes.
Speaker 4: Indeed, y'all y'all better than me because I had a
Speaker 4: few times where I had a few times and I
Speaker 4: obviously I can say it now some of the times
Speaker 4: when we would and we would have to have on
Speaker 4: paths on a Wednesday practice, I'd be out there in
Speaker 4: my shells because nobody was gonna hit me anyway. But
Speaker 4: I just I mean, I listen, I wore size small
Speaker 4: shoulder paths anyway, I were very small shoulder pads just
Speaker 4: so I could be light.
Speaker 5: But I put my shells on.
Speaker 4: What in New England, Belichick, you had to have five
Speaker 4: pass knee pads. You know, you know how in the
Speaker 4: locker room where they put in the room is and
Speaker 4: they have the.
Speaker 5: Address ro it got on everything.
Speaker 4: That's how you got to go to practice in the
Speaker 4: everybody that everybody, or he'll send you in everybody, five pass,
Speaker 4: knee pass, show the past, everything mine.
Speaker 1: The way we practiced, Mike said, the way you play
Speaker 1: the game, that's how I want you to come to practice. Well,
Speaker 1: me ed a lot of us the dB ain't have
Speaker 1: no five pass, no knee pass, no hill pass. So
Speaker 1: Mike said, that's the way you go in the game. Now,
Speaker 1: Dan Reeve's like, okay, you ain't got to wear no
Speaker 1: thigh pass. But if you get a five rule, it's
Speaker 1: gonna cost you about five thousand.
Speaker 4: He get you put him in quick. But see, you
Speaker 4: got your teammates. Got to be on your side, though,
Speaker 4: Your teammates got to be in your id and protecting
Speaker 4: you and saying, listen, we got pads on. But if
Speaker 4: we're gonna do anything, let's start it up. Let's start up.
Speaker 4: Make sure makes you in position to make the tackle
Speaker 4: as if it was as if it was a game simulated.
Speaker 5: But don't hit me. Don't hit me for real. Don't
Speaker 5: don't hit me for real.
Speaker 1: I mean, but you man, you know them five rules
Speaker 1: anything they freak Oh Joe, sometimes you just you know,
Speaker 1: you and y'all run together and his knee hits you,
Speaker 1: It hits you.
Speaker 2: Hold on.
Speaker 4: Have you ever have you got a thigh bruise? And
Speaker 4: it hard enough to stiffing up? And then they got
Speaker 4: to use that remember that is it called a grass?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, and it got a strap to get
Speaker 4: it lose. Yeah, yeah, I know what it is.
Speaker 5: That's what for that pain.
Speaker 1: That shit hurt many that it was different. I'm glad
Speaker 1: they changed because bad. But just think, oh, Joe, that's
Speaker 1: how like in the six years in the seventies, everybody
Speaker 1: was practicing like that all the practice, huh with Wednesday
Speaker 1: Thursday put you on the ground. Friday you had on
Speaker 1: shoulder paths and helmets. There was no shells. We had
Speaker 1: on shoulder pads for the entire practice.
Speaker 4: Well, somebody said, have said somebody back then, whoever, whoever
Speaker 4: the leader, whoever the leader of the Broncos was back then.
Speaker 5: Matter of fact, his name is John Elway.
Speaker 4: Always should have said something, man, listen.
Speaker 5: Quarterbacks, we want to be fresh on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks normally wore their paths because they needed to get
Speaker 1: used to throwing their past. For the most part, John
Speaker 1: always wore his past, even but even at least at
Speaker 1: least for like a part of practice. And then he
Speaker 1: would take the pass off. Oh, they tell me the
Speaker 1: paths up. You had to tell me, you had to
Speaker 1: tell me what whoa I'm going? But those were today, though, Shoe,
Speaker 1: it's a it was a different mentality play back then.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's why you see these guys runn across the middle
Speaker 1: and unhanded thing and take itself in.
Speaker 2: And then that back. Then bad Mike single there.
Speaker 1: Oh those guys, Oh, go cross to but you ain't
Speaker 1: going across there but once bet you wouldn't come back.
Speaker 5: And you don't think about it twice. If you do,
Speaker 5: gotta go, what.
Speaker 1: Next thing? You know you'd be looking through that. You're
Speaker 1: looking through your ear hole, yo, somebody that killed it.
Speaker 1: Buffalo bills ate more than thirty one million dollars to
Speaker 1: trade start wide receiver Stepan Diggs this offseason, a record
Speaker 1: for a non quarterback. So why didn't the team wait
Speaker 1: until June first to deal Digs, which has spread the
Speaker 1: financial impact between the seasons.
Speaker 2: General manager Brandon Being.
Speaker 1: Explained that Buffalo prepared to get that albatross of Diggs
Speaker 1: contract off the books rather sooner than later. We decided
Speaker 1: to just go ahead and eat it out now. We
Speaker 1: think that we can compete and do what we need
Speaker 1: to do by eating it now, because we didn't. We
Speaker 1: would have tried to come up with a way to
Speaker 1: split it up too many different ways. It's just like
Speaker 1: that albatross hanging a round our neck. What twenty five
Speaker 1: look like? What's twenty six look like?
Speaker 4: Hey, listen, That's one thing about business. They're always looking ahead.
Speaker 4: They're always looking ahead. So obviously they want to get
Speaker 4: get themselves out of that contract. But that's fine. That's
Speaker 4: fine with now Gabe Davis going, Stefan Digg going, we
Speaker 4: have a media darling and Keon Coleman that's there. But
Speaker 4: now can Josh Allen doit? Patrick Mahome did once they
Speaker 4: got rid of Tyreek, and Tyreek came down to the Dolphins.
Speaker 4: We're going to see how great and how good Josh
Speaker 4: Allen is. Well the fact that he does have Keon Coleman.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure the second receiver will be there. I
Speaker 4: know Keon Coleman probably going to be the number one.
Speaker 4: We're going to see how good you are because now
Speaker 4: you have to make up for the production that's not
Speaker 4: there on the outside, because we don't know what Keon
Speaker 4: Coleman's going to be. He's probably going to be good,
Speaker 4: but now you have to make all the right decisions.
Speaker 4: You have to make all the right throws because you're
Speaker 4: not going to have that fourteen fifteen hundred yard receiver
Speaker 4: that you can rely on twenty four to seven, come
Speaker 4: hell of high water. When it matters most I know
Speaker 4: he's had some drops, you know, in the playoffs or whatnot.
Speaker 4: But again, still he is a very very very good
Speaker 4: to me top five receiver in his NFL.
Speaker 1: Still, I think the thing what was gonna a lot
Speaker 1: of people saying, well, Josh Allen didn't take that step
Speaker 1: until he got step on Digs.
Speaker 4: Oh did you see that? I mean, listen, the numbers
Speaker 4: don't lie once once Dig's got there. Oh boy, hey, listen,
Speaker 4: they were they they were god damn like Mark Anthony
Speaker 4: and j Lo.
Speaker 5: Huh. They was like Tina.
Speaker 2: Marie and Rick Jet short lived that what you go with.
Speaker 5: Hey, but listen, while they were living, it was good.
Speaker 5: While they were living, it was good.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be very interesting to see how this thing
Speaker 1: pans out. We've seen what Patrick Mahoons did without Tyreek,
Speaker 1: who we believe in the most dangerous one of the
Speaker 1: top two.
Speaker 2: He's not going past too.
Speaker 1: No matter who your receivers are, heill's not going out
Speaker 1: in the top two for me. With that speed, with
Speaker 1: his big playability, his ability to run any route.
Speaker 2: Is he the best route runner?
Speaker 1: No, but he has the most speed of anybody just
Speaker 1: running route, So give me him. Yeah, because he's the
Speaker 1: only guy that you throw him a five yard route
Speaker 1: and he can hit his head on the gold post.
Speaker 1: Every time you can take a five yard right, do
Speaker 1: an eight yard spectacle.
Speaker 4: Hey, the only person in the NFL when you have
Speaker 4: to take an angle, you run towards the end zone.
Speaker 1: You try to cut it, gettle lost. Yeah, if we
Speaker 1: both at the fifty, I'm trying to intercept them.
Speaker 2: Met the team.
Speaker 1: I'm trying.
Speaker 2: Oh, Joe, he read it like this. Here, I read
Speaker 2: it like that.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to Hey, if he stopped cutting back,
Speaker 1: he got me.
Speaker 4: But if he can, oh, yeah, you got you. Hey,
Speaker 4: that's yeah, it's uh. I like it though, Listen, I
Speaker 4: love I love Josh Man. The few times I had
Speaker 4: the opportunity to meet him, I.
Speaker 5: Just I just like. I like what he had with Digs,
Speaker 5: I like what he had with Gabe Davis.
Speaker 4: The fact that they weren't able to get over the hump,
Speaker 4: it's unfortunate, But obviously you're paying Josh Allen the type
Speaker 4: of money he is making.
Speaker 5: You know, sometimes some of the pieces around.
Speaker 4: You are going to change, and it's up to you
Speaker 4: to be top three quarterback that we think you are
Speaker 4: or you're paid such as you got to show up.
Speaker 5: You got to show up, whether you've got rookies around
Speaker 5: you or not.
Speaker 4: You have to make all the right decisions, make all
Speaker 4: the right throws, and do what past Mahome has done consistently.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: The thing is is that.
Speaker 1: Like Buffalo, they go all in, they don't win it,
Speaker 1: and they got to break it down. You see, they
Speaker 1: lose pourrier, they lose a white the corner, they lose
Speaker 1: other pieces, and you see my homeboy like, you know
Speaker 1: what a I'm gonna take a little less, h not
Speaker 1: too much.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean he takes. He probably taken.
Speaker 1: He's probably taken ten, probably ten to fifteen million dollars
Speaker 1: per year less. But he's like, you know, he's probably
Speaker 1: making twenty million dollars off the field. Hold on how
Speaker 1: much he just got a check for it? Did they
Speaker 1: just get a check the other day for like thirty
Speaker 1: million dollars? Because I think they took it a roster
Speaker 1: bonus something. I just I wasn't meant to send that
Speaker 1: to you, Ash. I think he I think he just
Speaker 1: got a check because he's guarant his twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: salary is already guaranteed. Because he's on the roster, so
Speaker 1: they guarantee what he's twenty five, So how much did
Speaker 1: he get that check they just sent him for like
Speaker 1: a month a month ago. But him being on the
Speaker 1: roster in twenty twenty four guarantees his twenty twenty five salary,
Speaker 1: so and so to keep that. So they's like, hey, bad,
Speaker 1: check this out. Then what we're gonna do. We're gonna
Speaker 1: come give you that and to sign this bonus. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll take you by forty million, y'all give me thirty
Speaker 1: nine of it right now? Yeah, no problem? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: uh but yeah, it's it's on Josh. Now it's on Josh.
Speaker 1: It's very unfortunate because they finally had they's like, we
Speaker 1: won't Patrick Mahomes in our building in the playoffs the
Speaker 1: last two times, and they had to go there and
Speaker 1: it didn't end up well for us, even Baltimore, we
Speaker 1: want him in our building that stay here. A different cat.
Speaker 1: Now you a different cat. He a different cat come
Speaker 1: playoff time. What you did to him in the regular
Speaker 1: season ain't gonna have no bearing on whether it's gonna
Speaker 1: happen in the postseason. Yeah, and so it's, uh, if
Speaker 1: you find it. Let me know ask. Confidence isn't an
Speaker 1: issue for steel Steeler's cornerback Joey Porter Jr. He ended
Speaker 1: the starting line of Week seven and never lost the spot.
Speaker 1: Porter says, I'm always gonna pick me over anybody else
Speaker 1: when asked who's the best cornerback in the league.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of good dvs in this league.
Speaker 1: Nobody was doing what I was doing against wide receiver ones.
Speaker 1: Uh this entirely locking them down. I don't care if
Speaker 1: I mentioned in there not, because they're going to hear
Speaker 1: my name eventually. In seventeen games the level start, the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three second round pick had forty three tackles,
Speaker 1: one for lost, one in exceptions. Ten passive defense. He
Speaker 1: finished fifth and defensive Rookie of the Year. Salt Gardner
Speaker 1: Passer change I Alexander Denzel war.
Speaker 5: I like it.
Speaker 4: If you're gonna talk, now listen. If you're gonna talk,
Speaker 4: you gotta walk it. Asher, Pops, Joey Porter, ash you
Speaker 4: pops how we used to go at him.
Speaker 2: Sure, one of the.
Speaker 4: Great one of the greatest trash talkers of all time,
Speaker 4: and Joey Porter much respect to him.
Speaker 2: But I like it for sure. You yourself.
Speaker 4: Listen, put the league on notice. This is what you
Speaker 4: got to do. Come out, create you some bullets and
Speaker 4: board material. Now what you got to do, even though
Speaker 4: you're stealer, I love you to death, you got to
Speaker 4: follow in the footsteps. So one of some of the
Speaker 4: greatest that have come through there. Now, if you're gonna
Speaker 4: talk like that, now you got to come and show.
Speaker 5: Like somebody that I know that. Also, what hey, Joey
Speaker 5: I mean, uh, Joey Porter Jr. Wear twenty four don't so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh there's a great there's a great twenty four
Speaker 4: that gave me hell for a decade straight. And Ike Taylor,
Speaker 4: huh a great one. So again, if you're gonna talk,
Speaker 4: maybe all you gotta do is walk it. All you
Speaker 4: got to do is walk it. I like it, and
Speaker 4: you got to have that confidence you have to. Most
Speaker 4: of the time, most of the people don't say it.
Speaker 4: Most of the people don't let it be known publicly,
Speaker 4: because once you let look, once you let it be
Speaker 4: known publicly.
Speaker 5: Now you have a targeting.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: Now they're gonna come at you. Now they're gonna throw
Speaker 5: at you.
Speaker 2: Well, they gonna do that anyway.
Speaker 5: I love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they gonna do
Speaker 5: that anyway.
Speaker 4: But even more so now that you're coming out saying
Speaker 4: you feeling like you wanted the best at what you do,
Speaker 4: you just gotta go do it. Man, you win, You've done.
Speaker 4: You wear at number twenty four. Anyway, if you're anything,
Speaker 4: if you're gonna be anything like Ike Taylor boy, you'll
Speaker 4: you want you want you You're on the right path
Speaker 4: and that's what all due respect.
Speaker 1: Oh so what they did Ojo is that the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four March twenty four, the restructure. They gave him
Speaker 1: twenty seven million in salaries converted into a signing bonus,
Speaker 1: and his base salary is only eight point six million,
Speaker 1: so they cult, Yeah.
Speaker 4: That was a free that's a free cap space. That's
Speaker 4: that's a little that's a little game. They always play.
Speaker 4: You see, you see the game how they play. When
Speaker 4: they want to create space, they know what to do.
Speaker 4: There's never an issue with money and paying players because
Speaker 4: there's always a way to manipulate the numbers and create
Speaker 4: space for who you want to.
Speaker 2: Because his latest contract, so I'm.
Speaker 4: Trying to understand, I'm trying to understand what they're waiting
Speaker 4: on with that I'm trying to understand what they waiting
Speaker 4: on with tour.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to stand love and again I'm trying to
Speaker 5: drum what are you waiting on with love? What are
Speaker 5: you waiting on?
Speaker 4: As far as chasing Ti Higgins is concerned, now they
Speaker 4: have to see how the books are going too.
Speaker 2: Joe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if one of if Higgins willing to take like
Speaker 1: twenty two to twenty four million because he.
Speaker 4: Hadn't signed, he hadn't signed that franchise, that franchise tag
Speaker 4: get either. Now, at what point do we say or
Speaker 4: Tea for that matter, does t say, you know what,
Speaker 4: I'm a better on myself this year? And God forbid,
Speaker 4: he's able to play a season injury free and he
Speaker 4: hit the market.
Speaker 2: The tag on him again right.
Speaker 5: Now, listen, listen, he don't don't do don't do nothing
Speaker 5: like that. Now.
Speaker 4: If I'm willing to bet on myself and I'm willing
Speaker 4: to stay and play on the tag at twenty one,
Speaker 4: now you need to.
Speaker 5: Listen.
Speaker 4: The Chiefs organization, I salute them for what they did
Speaker 4: with Lujerious sneed understanding his value and allowing him to
Speaker 4: go get.
Speaker 2: Real.
Speaker 1: Say if I give you ten year, good year, you
Speaker 1: should be able to let me walk with all my money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Said you let me work with all my money.
Speaker 5: Hey, did you hear me? Did you what you just said?
Speaker 4: Reill gave me ten great years and she should be
Speaker 4: able to walk with all her money. But if you
Speaker 4: walk with all your money, them ten years of the
Speaker 4: lifestyle that and allowed me to be able to live.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm leading, I'm leaving. That's what they said at
Speaker 5: I'm leaving here with something.
Speaker 1: Do it again, and then if they could be nast
Speaker 1: they could put two years of the franchise and then
Speaker 1: a year of the transition tag on.
Speaker 4: But listen, knowing knowing mister Brown, knowing Katie knowing cheap, Uh.
Speaker 5: Listen, don't do that now.
Speaker 4: You know we spending Now you better look at what
Speaker 4: we paid them our old officer line and look we
Speaker 4: paid Burrow.
Speaker 5: Don't do that.
Speaker 4: We're not cheap that that that narrative needs to be
Speaker 4: any race because we spend on that the state.
Speaker 5: No, we haven't.
Speaker 2: We have to do y'all Friday under the interstate. Yes
Speaker 2: or no?
Speaker 5: We have a bums with indoor facility. No, well, when
Speaker 5: the sun is out, when.
Speaker 2: Sun was out, where do you guys practice.
Speaker 1: Can I parked my car on the overpass and watch
Speaker 1: the Bengals practice?
Speaker 2: Yes? Or no? Yes?
Speaker 5: I can't.
Speaker 2: Yes, I can't.
Speaker 5: That's a ticket. That's a ticket. No, you can't ticket.
Speaker 1: Can I parked my car on the overpass and watch?
Speaker 1: I just want to know? Yes or no?
Speaker 5: I've never seen that, Joe.
Speaker 2: I did because I did it?
Speaker 5: Yeah you did? Who was who was finding out?
Speaker 1: Nobody? I just happen to be. I just happen to
Speaker 1: be watching. You know, they had got me a nice view.
Speaker 5: What's funny?
Speaker 1: Y'all just started getting pieces on Friday?
Speaker 4: Piece on Friday. Go start chili, Gold start chili. We Hey,
Speaker 4: you know what we eat? Funnel Cake Island. Yeah, we
Speaker 4: got funnel cakes. Yeah, funnel Now you don't eat funnel cakes.
Speaker 4: But listen, anybody in the chat that's in Cincinnati, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna tell you about funnel Cake Island. Now, I forgot that.
Speaker 4: I got the street. It's on my homeboy on it.
Speaker 4: Y'all got to check it out. Funnel Cake alum, really
Speaker 4: really good, really really good. If you, if you, if
Speaker 4: you ever in Cincinnati, you gotta you gotta go try it.
Speaker 2: I got a Mikey on my team.
Speaker 1: Her name is adh So anytime we go somewhere, we
Speaker 1: don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: We just slidden the ash. As is our official.
Speaker 1: Mikey, she's gonna try. As don't like funnel cake. I
Speaker 1: know it's bad. What official? Wait, she don't like and
Speaker 1: as like everything. Oh, she at least tried. That's one
Speaker 1: thing about AS. She's like, don't knock it till you
Speaker 1: try it. I was like, no, I'm gonna knock it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna knock it over if you put it in
Speaker 1: front of me. So that that's that's the thing. I'm
Speaker 1: assuming she's had a bad experience. So she went somewhere
Speaker 1: where the funnel cakes weren't good.
Speaker 4: Now, if you're ever in Cincinnati for whatever reason, oh
Speaker 4: the fair, Oh the Fair. No no, no, no, no, no, Listen,
Speaker 4: they don't make no funnel cakes. Like young bull out
Speaker 4: there in Cincinnati make these funnel cakes. I'm telling you, man,
Speaker 4: all type of toppings, all type of this crazy strawberry oreo,
Speaker 4: like all types of crazy stuff. I'm listen to me.
Speaker 4: Funnel cake Island and Cincinnati. I can't remember what street
Speaker 4: is on, but it's in the same in the same plaza.
Speaker 4: As a restaurant called Hooks. Now that that's all I knew.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't know the cross streets.
Speaker 4: But if you if you're from Cincinnati in here and
Speaker 4: you're in the chat, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: But hey, tell ash ash Ash, you got to try
Speaker 4: this funnel cake.
Speaker 5: And if I'm wrong, if I'm to.
Speaker 2: State Fair, I know I've had an affair. Yeah, I've
Speaker 2: eaten it.
Speaker 1: I've eaten it a fair, but not to text State
Speaker 1: Fair where you know where they fry oreole snickers butter,
Speaker 1: they fry everything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what you know about elephanteers? You know about elephant
Speaker 4: ears the flower or the plant? No no, no, not
Speaker 4: a real elephant called elephants. No no, I'm talking about like
Speaker 4: it's like similar to a funnel cake a little bit,
Speaker 4: but it's made a little different at the day County
Speaker 4: you Fair. All I care about is going to get
Speaker 4: that corner in the cab. I care about the sisky Bob,
Speaker 4: I care about I don't like.
Speaker 1: No, oh come because I don't like them peppers and
Speaker 1: I don't like that.
Speaker 2: I just want just just go. I don't I don't
Speaker 2: like I don't like it.
Speaker 4: No are you listen, you're missing out on the final
Speaker 4: things like, Man, if you don't like sisky.
Speaker 1: Well we go go to that what do you call it?
Speaker 1: We go go to the Uh? Were gonna go to
Speaker 1: Texas State Fair?
Speaker 5: Texas State Fair? When is that? When is this the it's.
Speaker 1: Doing the October It's like Oklahoma Texas, right, that's the
Speaker 1: Oklahoma Texas game. We need to go and eat ok Man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you because I know my stomach gonna beat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm ready. I I got some cowboy boots too.
Speaker 4: I ain't had a chance to wear too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you ain't got no cowboy the hell you
Speaker 1: got cowboy boots and Flora?
Speaker 2: What you hello?
Speaker 5: I'm a bull rider? You forgot? I still practice. I
Speaker 5: ride horse. I ride horses on the weekend.
Speaker 2: I am teller.
Speaker 5: No, come on, now, you know I ride horses.
Speaker 4: I know you've seen the many eclipse of me riding horses,
Speaker 4: going fast as hell, doing tricks all that.
Speaker 2: Do that? Ash?
Speaker 4: Can you pull Can you please pull up videos for
Speaker 4: uncle and me riding horses. I am a professional bull rider.
Speaker 1: You're not no professional with this? Can you do something
Speaker 1: doesn't make you a professional? That's all it takes because
Speaker 1: I was on a professional circum If you paying a picture,
Speaker 1: did that make you an artist?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Who mem Yeah, because I get that, I get to
Speaker 4: set the value on how much it's worked all now.
Speaker 5: If I can get anybody to buy it, that makes
Speaker 5: me a posssion. And that's what that's what everybody else
Speaker 5: do to
Speaker 4: The volume