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Speaker 1: a man almost at a triple double. He had twenty

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Speaker 1: nine points, ten rebounds, nine assists, the youngest player in

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Speaker 1: NBA history to have one of those numbers in the

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Speaker 1: elimination games. Cap what's the difference in the ball game?

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Speaker 1: Shot nine to thirteen, four or five from the three

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Speaker 1: Although he was in foul trouble the majority of the

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Speaker 1: night and he ended up filing out of the game,

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Speaker 1: he gave them twenty five big points and I think

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Speaker 1: he had like twenty twenty or twenty two in the

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Speaker 1: second half. But they stave off elimination force the game five,

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Speaker 1: and now they're going back to Minnesota trying to keep

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Speaker 1: their playoff hope was a lot.

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Speaker 4: Well, obviously they don't have to try anything because I

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Speaker 4: told you what was gonna happen. They purposely allowed themselves

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Speaker 5: I told you now. The difference is the night game.

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Speaker 4: But the difference in the first first two game first three,

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Speaker 4: this was game four, Game three, This.

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Speaker 4: Okay, the difference in the first three games was there

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Speaker 4: big two Kyrie and Luca. The difference in tonight game

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Speaker 4: was horrendous from three. Cat Tonight from three was phenomenal.

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Speaker 4: Ant Man is gonna show you why he's a face

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Speaker 4: of the league. I had a lot of people laughing

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Speaker 4: at me making jokes. What makes you think he's a

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Speaker 4: face of the league. They are zering three right now.

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Speaker 4: He gonna show you. He's gonna show you My words

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Speaker 4: never go wrong. And if I say the Wolves are

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Speaker 4: gonna win in seven, they gonna win in seven.

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Speaker 5: Now watch, it's never been done before. You witness in history.

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you right now, Chat you witness, You're witnessing history.

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Speaker 4: I'm never wrong on stuff like this.

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Speaker 1: I think the difference in tonight's game. Kat was aggressive early.

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Speaker 1: He didn't shoot a three ball until late yeah. And

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Speaker 1: and he shot those he wasn't forced. Hey, great swing passes.

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Speaker 1: If you notice the night they ran the offense through

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Speaker 1: great job. Yeah he had six turnovers, but you put

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Speaker 1: him in a position that's that's normally Mike College job.

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Speaker 1: They put Jade and Daniels, Jayden McDaniels on Kyrie, They

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Speaker 1: what's gonna be the counter? What is gonna be Jason kids?

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Speaker 1: Counter to what he saw tonight? But yeah, the Minnesota one,

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Speaker 1: they played better. They got great production from their big two,

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Speaker 2: At some point in time.

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Speaker 1: Your big two is gonna have to play the opposition

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Speaker 2: They went on the road and they won a ball game.

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Speaker 4: I got one small issue, one small issue. And man,

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Speaker 4: I know you're gonna see this at some point, because

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Speaker 4: y'all watch the show. When he puts the ball on

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Speaker 4: when he's mid range, he keeps hesitating, He keeps he

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Speaker 4: on shooting. Man pull the trigger. Every single time, every

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Speaker 4: though I'm new to the game of basketball, it kind

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Speaker 4: of looks like he's hesitating and it is not trusting

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Speaker 1: Just whether he did over passed the ball a couple

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Speaker 1: played well thus far. But I like the adjustment that

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Speaker 1: They let him like, bro, we need you to be aggressive.

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Speaker 1: We need you to also open things up because they're

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Speaker 1: Cat with some easy basket. Now you get Jade McDaniels

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Speaker 1: You make the offense a lot easier for everyone else

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Speaker 1: when ant Man is aggressive, because they have to scramble

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Speaker 1: gonna be wide open. I thought Mike Colly was aggressive early. Also,

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Speaker 1: He had fourteen points in the first quarter. Quarter yeaheah,

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Speaker 1: But and then he got it going in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: Give those guys credit, O Joe. They found a way

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Speaker 1: But Dallas, Dallas, Dallas didn't play well. They didn't play.

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Speaker 1: They seemed like they were lagging the whole night. Like

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Speaker 1: Minnesota is just gonna lay down. Nobody wants to get swept.

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Speaker 1: You see your heart getting down and played last night.

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Speaker 1: Nobody needed to get swept.

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Speaker 4: Listen, Luca scared me again, man, Like, yes, baby, I

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Speaker 4: love you too, baby. Listen Luca, Luca scared me again tonight. Man, Yep,

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Speaker 4: he scared me again tonight. Obviously, the pump fake get

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Speaker 4: then I just talked about I just talked about Rudy

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Speaker 4: and I said, well, it should have been Cat.

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Speaker 5: Now it was Cat, and the same thing happened.

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Speaker 1: But I think we need to give him Minnesota a

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Speaker 1: They out rebound him, although it's only by two. But

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Speaker 1: I thought Cat was the difference in the ball game. Yes,

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Speaker 1: ant Man was extremely aggressive. Twenty nine would have twenty

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Speaker 1: eight points. No, he had twenty nine points, ten rebounds,

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Speaker 1: nine assists. Yeah, but Cat only played thirty minutes and

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Speaker 1: he was plus fifteen and plus minus twenty five points,

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Speaker 1: five rebounds, one assist. I thought he did a great

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Speaker 1: job of helping Aunt tonight because they needed it. They

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Speaker 1: Matter how good, no matter how good Aunt played, and

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Speaker 4: And never forget, never forget. Like I said, Chad, stay

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Speaker 1: The Celtics week the Pacers and route to the finals

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Speaker 1: As we mentioned, Jalen Brown average twenty nine points a

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Speaker 4: Got it, and on top and on top of those turnovers,

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Speaker 5: I don't I don't want to get his name the

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Speaker 4: Oh hey boy, young hey young bull, young young hey,

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Speaker 4: He left it all in the court last night. He played,

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Speaker 4: He played well, He played really well. They got a player,

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Speaker 4: he got They got a player. Now we've seen him

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Speaker 4: take big shots. That big shot that he hit against

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Speaker 1: He's a young player. Yeah, you have some unfortunate turnovers,

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Speaker 2: But congratulations to the Indiana Pacers. They did.

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Speaker 2: So give those guys credit.

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Speaker 1: They're moving on to their twenty third NBA Finals tried

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Speaker 4: Eighteen and this is the year for Jason Tatum. Huh,

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Speaker 1: It's always no as always, that's the Celtics. I mean

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Speaker 2: So what are you playing for now? That's it? Jason Tatum.

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Speaker 5: Yeah go, Mommy want you.

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Speaker 1: Gordon Hayward's wife had a lot to say on IG today.

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Speaker 1: Robin Hayward said, why trade for someone and not play them?

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Speaker 1: Missed it by not integrating him. Since I have time

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Speaker 1: a player told you, again, Hi, Brody, not sure if

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Speaker 5: Hey, I like that.

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Speaker 4: I like that the wife, the wife coming to the

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Speaker 4: vall shit. I know Gordon Hayward a little bit, not personally, obviously.

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Speaker 4: The few games that I have watched before I started

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Speaker 4: it's come to this point where he's not efficient or effective.

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Speaker 4: in the right way?

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Speaker 1: Man said, I made a mistake. You ever made a mistake?

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Speaker 1: You have bought something to say, Man, I shouldn't have

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's not nice to say, especially at the GM.

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Speaker 4: Then you're in that position that listen, listen to me

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Speaker 1: I see when when when when I say that about player,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean telling the truth will set you free.

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Speaker 5: Be like, you know what, Hell, no, I don't want

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Speaker 2: Oh that's how they didn't say he was a bad player,

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Speaker 1: He said, we were a different team than when we

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Speaker 1: hadn't been the same since he broke that leg in Boston.

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Speaker 1: Let's be all the way real. Yeah, he had great

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Speaker 1: he had great seasons in Utah. Yes, bro man, it's

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Speaker 1: Sam Presty said, look, we made a mistake. I missed

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Speaker 2: I think he's done a great job.

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Speaker 1: All he's saying, he's not saying Gordon Hayward is a

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Speaker 5: I don't like that.

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Speaker 4: There's always room, there's always a room for a player

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Speaker 5: How do we know the opportunity?

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Speaker 1: Why Shawna traded me? If he's that Why Charlotte trade him?

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Speaker 1: If he's that player, Why Boston traded him? If he's

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Speaker 4: When Charlotte was dumping. Charlotte was dumping at that time

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Speaker 1: Think about it. Remember he was wasn't he hold on?

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Speaker 1: Wasn't he deal with Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how that worked out for him? So why is

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Speaker 5: You're sure?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: I mean, listen, the game of basketball is different, and

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Speaker 4: it's all about what you've done for me lately. Unless

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Speaker 4: you're a super, super duperstar, then you really ain't going

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Speaker 2: It's like d Rose. D Rose wasn't the same player

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Speaker 1: Gordon Hayward was not the same player after he broke

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Speaker 2: He just wasn't. He wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Nobody in the chat, even the staunches Gordon Hayward fan,

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Speaker 1: the seventh guy? But that's not what he's making. It

434
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: seem like he should have been the sixth man in

435
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:53,719
Speaker 1: the starting rotation.

436
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 2: Bro, that's not you anymore.

437
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 5: And ah, that's that's tough.

438
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 4: How's it talk up and stuff? Because I'm I'm I'm

439
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 4: sitting here thinking about the players. I'm not saying he's

440
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 4: Adrian Peterson. But Adrian Peterson towards a c L and

441
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 4: came back. It was still that. Yeah, but you know,

442
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about have been injured before Kevin Durant. Kevin

443
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:21,679
Speaker 4: Durant towards Achilles, came back and was still that. To

444
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 4: tell me, to tell me, tell me, mister Gordon broke

445
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 4: his leg and came back and all of a sudden.

446
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 2: He's not.

447
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 1: Let me ask your question. When Dack rose to his knee,

448
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 1: was he ever that same player?

449
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 5: And not listen, Derek, I'm.

450
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 1: Was he the same player? We know he was special,

451
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: so we know he's special. It was he the same It.

452
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 4: Took away, it took away some of his skill and

453
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 4: ability and the explosion that he did had.

454
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So what about So what about Gordon Hayward?

455
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 5: What so?

456
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 1: What did Gordon Hayward average in Utah? He was like

457
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 1: a twenty point score? He made the All Star team.

458
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Me, personally, I thought he was overvalue from the jump.

459
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: That's just me personally watching the game, watching him play,

460
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: I thought he was overvalue. Okay, the Celtics thought it

461
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: would be a great acquisition. Okay, fine, I ain't got

462
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: no problem with that.

463
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 2: But go.

464
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: Uh, his last couple of years in Utah, what the

465
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: average he was like a twenty and twenty and six guy?

466
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: Twenty two? Yeah, twenty two five, twenty two, five and three?

467
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: Okay in Boston? What was his best year in Boston?

468
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

469
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: He made the All Star team his last year in Utah.

470
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: That's how he got that MAX contract. He probably should

471
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: have stayed there, but okay, he wanted to win. He

472
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: didn't think he could win in Utah. I got no

473
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 1: problem with that. I commend the guy for giving up

474
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: that fifth year in going to Boston because he thought

475
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 1: they had a better chance of winning. He broke his

476
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: leg like the first game, like the first game of

477
00:23:54,080 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 1: the season. Next teak the average seventeen he had, he

478
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: averaged eleven, then seventeen. Went to Charlotte average twenty.

479
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 5: See you see.

480
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 2: Fifteen. Okay, after twenty see Charlotte fifteen nine?

481
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 4: All right, Hello, are we understanding why those numbers are

482
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 4: decreasing because the playing time is decreasing as well. I

483
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 4: don't think I'm just personally, I don't think there's anything

484
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 4: wrong with Gordon Hayward. I just think he's not getting

485
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 4: the playing time that's needed to score the twenty to

486
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 4: score the nineteen.

487
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 5: That's all.

488
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 4: And I know him, I know him right, I know

489
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 4: I'm right, because you just don't fall for goddamn Cliff

490
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 4: simply because you.

491
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 5: Broke you got.

492
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes you're not you're not the same player.

493
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a It's not like he had

494
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: great athletic system to begin with.

495
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, that trop I'm assuming he's a perimeter show now

496
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 4: range he's good.

497
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 5: I'm assuming he's nice from the three.

498
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: Let's just say you're only a step better and you

499
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: lose that step, then what happened to Joe?

500
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 4: Then if you if you have that weakness, what your

501
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 4: team can do. They can run plays for you to

502
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 4: free you up. That's that's that's that's that's what that's

503
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 4: what they do in NBA. That's what they do in

504
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 4: the NFL. When a certain player has weaknesses and he

505
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 4: can't win on his own, you.

506
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: Didn't when the season, what they do with that player

507
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: They move on. You know how when a player gets

508
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: old and he's not giving you that same production, they

509
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: ask you to take a play cut first, right, Hey bro, hey, hey, yeah,

510
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: you know we we know you used to give us

511
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen hundred can you give a twelve fifty for

512
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: a third of the salary? Nah man, I can't put Okay, Well,

513
00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 1: then we're gonna have to release you. Yeah, I me

514
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: personally looking like I said, I don't like I said.

515
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: I watched Gordon Hayward. I know his game. Uh he

516
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: was an outstanding player. Uh. I didn't have him as

517
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: a top twenty player, but he was a solid player.

518
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: Twenty two, five and three says that he's a solid player.

519
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: Getting those numbers in the NBA good, But he goes

520
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: to Boston. I'm not so sure that was the best fit.

521
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: When you got j T and jb.

522
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 4: Uh to play three, I mean that's a nice that's

523
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 4: a nice three h for someone that's scoring twenty.

524
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: They all play basically the same guy. All of them

525
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: are small forwards. So if he was a big and

526
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: not you got JBN j T. You can sight either word.

527
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: You can make those them a change. You can play

528
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: them at the three to four, you can slide one

529
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: to the two, but they're really the same.

530
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 4: Goddamn it, Tell tell tail, goddamn it, say well, come

531
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 4: on down and come on down to Miami. We'll take him.

532
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 4: We'll take him. Where's a supposure know what to do

533
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 4: with you. Come on down here goingon, hey with I

534
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 4: know you' gonna see just come on down to Miami.

535
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 4: We know what to do with your Yeah, I mean shit,

536
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 4: we know how to, we know how to, we know

537
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 4: how to use what they call him.

538
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: Well, you know, uh, you know, Pat could have traded

539
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: for when and the trade deadline like like okay, traded

540
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: for it.

541
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 5: I mean, it depends on what we had at the time.

542
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 5: He might not have been on our radar at the time.

543
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 4: But now that this is coming out and the wife

544
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 4: has to defend him because of an individual that comes

545
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 4: out publicly and says he's made a mistake, you know,

546
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 4: or you don't do that.

547
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm surprised. I'm surprised. Presty said that.

548
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: I'm not going to disagree with you because that doesn't

549
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: sound like him.

550
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: But I'm sure.

551
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: Probably in the exit interview, probably what you heard is

552
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: that Gordon Hayward probably said some of the things same

553
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: things that he wasn't He wasn't excited about his time.

554
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 2: He felt he should have gotten more minutes, and you know.

555
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 5: You know what happening.

556
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 4: If he had got more minutes, he would have scored

557
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 4: more goddamn points, especially when you had the green light

558
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 4: to shoot. Sometime you go to certain places, it's you do.

559
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 4: You don't feel comfortable. You're walking on eggshells. And that's

560
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 4: why not only a decrease in minutes, but a decreasing

561
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 4: points from Utah to Boston.

562
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 5: That is the reason why they went down.

563
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 4: Okay, see shit, Charlotte, I just don't I just don't

564
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 4: see anyone that was scoring twenty two, six and five

565
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 4: just falling complete mineft.

566
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: But he is not that player that would warrant thirty

567
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 2: five forty minutes.

568
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: Okay score in order to score the amount of points

569
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: that he's playing. He's probably playing thirty eight minutes where

570
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: he's no longer that guy. So he can't give you

571
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: that kind of production. So if you're not playing those

572
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: kind of minutes, how can I give you? To say, oh, Jo,

573
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: how can I give you the same production? If you

574
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: don't give me the same number of targets. If you

575
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: cut my targets in half, you're gonna cut my production

576
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: in half. Yeah, running back gets three hundred carriages, he

577
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: rushes for fifteen hundred yard. You give him one hundred

578
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: and fifty. You still think he's gonna get fifteen hundred

579
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: not gonna have for Oh you catch it, you catch

580
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: him for fourteen hundred yards. But I'm giving you one

581
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty targets a season. Well, oh y'all want

582
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: to go get one hundred targets. You ain't go up

583
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: with that number because now one hundred targets, that means

584
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: you gotta catch every ball and average fourteen to fifteen

585
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: yards to catch just to get to fourteen fift hundred yard.

586
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: With you would don't bru, You're gonna leave the lead.

587
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: You will be top three if you average fifteen yards

588
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: to catch on that many catches. Right, So that's why

589
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: I just, like I said, I'm surprised. I am surprised

590
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: that Sam pressed it like I made a mistake.

591
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's stuff like that.

592
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 4: You're keeping house at GM, the g of the gms,

593
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 4: and made made mistakes as well, whether it be MLB,

594
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 4: whether it be NBA, whether it be NFL. They don't

595
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 4: come out and probably say, you know what, I made

596
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 4: a mistake. How do you think it makes that individual

597
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 4: feel that you made that mistake?

598
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 5: On?

599
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 4: How do you think other players feel about coming to

600
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 4: an organization where you feel well, damn if you can

601
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 4: do that to Gordon Hayward.

602
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: What the hell you think about me? They got a

603
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: young they look, they got a young team. They didn't

604
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: want to mess up their chemistry. They had a great

605
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: rotation going. If you look at those guys, that's still

606
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: the youngest roster uh in the NBA. They made it

607
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: to the second round. Their core players Shay Jaylen Williams, Chat,

608
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: Lou Dort, Isaiah Joe. They got some nice pieces, Josh Giddy,

609
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: They got some nice pieces. They need another big, They

610
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: need another big and maybe another front line player. Man, Hey, Paul, George,

611
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: you interested in coming back?

612
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: George?

613
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: Or go get a big, Go get a dred Drummond

614
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: that con that and take some minutes off Chat that

615
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: can battle with a yo Ki that can battle with

616
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: some of the bigs down down low.

617
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I like it.

618
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: But missus Hayward was not happy with saying what Sam

619
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: Presty said.

620
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 4: As she and rightfully rightfully so she should cuss his

621
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 4: ass out. Cinema send a center letter, matter of fact,

622
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 4: right right, goddamn not David Stern, what's a young bull

623
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 4: name that?

624
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 5: That's the commission on Adam Silver?

625
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Adam, Ship, just just just this this voicing

626
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 4: your displeasure with the comments by a general manager. Somebody

627
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 4: at a position of power that's that at a seat

628
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 4: that high, shouldn't.

629
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 5: Be making that kind of comment. Ship, God damn it.

630
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Is he a free agent? It's gonna be addressed.

631
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: He's a free agent.

632
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, come on down to Miami, mister Hayward, come on

633
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 5: down to Miami. We know what to do with you.

634
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: You a frig Okay, how many take its to get here?

635
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: Free agent? Oh?

636
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 4: He gonna get something. Listen, it might not have worked that, okay.

637
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 5: See.

638
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 4: Sometimes process of elimination relationship after relationship after relationship after relationship,

639
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 4: until you find the one that fit. And that's all

640
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 4: it is. That's all it is, until you find the

641
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 4: one that fit. And right here in Miami, Gordon Haywood

642
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 4: is a great place for you.

643
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 5: Okay.

644
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 4: Now, if you need to, you need help finding a place,

645
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 4: I can help you. I got my real estate license.

646
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: How much how much you think Gordon Haywood has made

647
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: in his career?

648
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 5: Let me see if you said he was a max player.

649
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 4: I'm not sure when he signed that Mac contract, but

650
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 4: just off the top of my head, how many years

651
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 4: have you been in the league.

652
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: Now, he's been leading longer than that, like twelve twelve.

653
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's been in the league fourteen years. But

654
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: you know he played for years, so he missed the

655
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: entire season. So okay, I.

656
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 4: Can tell you right now he's probably earned you Tell

657
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 4: me if I'm wrong to right, he's probably earned two

658
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty seven million at this point. Tell me

659
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 4: I'm wrong, right, he need to go higher? Oh shit,

660
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 4: wait too eighty three?

661
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: Lord to seventy.

662
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 4: Okay, round to seventy. Okay, okay, okay, God dang, hey man,

663
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 4: I got it. I need to be too late. Oh Joe,

664
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 4: he should have thought about it. You should have thought

665
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 4: thought about all the thing, like the baseball players. You

666
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 4: see the money they make it five hundred million, seven

667
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 4: hundred million.

668
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: It's too late, old Joe.

669
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Ain't never too lately.

670
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 4: I ain't never too While I'm still listen, while I'm

671
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 4: still willing and able, and my upper and lower body

672
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 4: extremities are still working. There's always a chance. There's always

673
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 4: a chance I can dream. I can be like the

674
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 4: little engine that could. I just got to keep on pushing.

675
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 4: We should have thought about that. But you know, playing

676
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 4: baseball bat costs money. Glove costs money. Yeah, oh yeah yeah,

677
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 4: trade traveling, uh uh traveling yeah, au oh yeah that

678
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 4: costs money.

679
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: Ain't how that?

680
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and plus that gratification. Man, ain't nobody them honeys

681
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: ain't coming out there sitting no hot sun.

682
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: They go. They gonna be at the football game or

683
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: the basketball game.

684
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: Oh, Joe, Isaiah Thomas, Little Isaiah Thomas has an ak

685
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: pulled on him in his own city. Really tripping. How

686
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: these young kids are moving around. I really almost I

687
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: really had a life changing moment yesterday where a kid

688
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: pulled an AK forty seven out on me and the

689
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: homi And if it wasn't for who I was and

690
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: him recognizing me in my own city, he probably would

691
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: have ended all our lives.

692
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: Be safe. They're different out there.

693
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: He listen, we talk about it, about it or about

694
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: I ain't talking about Ze, I'm talking about Boston Celtics.

695
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 4: Isaid, yeah, you you you got you got to be careful, man,

696
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 4: You got to be you got to be careful, even

697
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 4: if it's your.

698
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 5: Homeown You got to understand where you are.

699
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 4: The younger generation, there is no respect there is no

700
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 4: respect regardless of who you are what you've done, especially

701
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 4: in the past.

702
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 5: Uh, they don't see that. They don't see that.

703
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: Man.

704
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 4: Now, the older cats would probably know who you are

705
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 4: and have a little bit more respect for you and

706
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 4: what you've done in your community in the n b A.

707
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 4: Knowing that that's where you're from. You know, they show

708
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 4: you a little bit more grace. You know, them younger cats,

709
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 4: you know, and you think about, oh, somebody pulled the AKA.

710
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 5: You already know that that ain't nothing. But somebody young

711
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 5: that has no.

712
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: Ak.

713
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't really move like that, so

714
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 5: I don't really know that. Y's my bad.

715
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: In his hometown of Coma, Washington, Yeah, saying them them

716
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: young boys, they different, they moved different.

717
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and listen today everything is wild today. Everything

718
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 4: is wild today. You know during our day, our day,

719
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 4: there were structure, there were structure. There's certain things you

720
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 4: couldn't do unless you got an okay green light.

721
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 5: That's if you run in the streets like that.

722
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I'm part of the streets, but they

723
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 4: had a great understanding of how it worked.

724
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 5: Because it's where I grew up. Today. Oh, they ain't

725
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 5: no goddamn order. They ain't no order.

726
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 4: Everybody just they run the West quick and no matter

727
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 4: who you are.

728
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: They make you give up. So yeah, man, it's different.

729
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: It's a different time now.

730
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: Sold You said he was in his hometown right Coma, Washington,

731
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: And that's that's crazy, man, that's crazy. In the OTAs

732
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: the NFL Players Are Sociation is working to finalize a

733
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: proposal to overhaul.

734
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: The off season starting as soon as.

735
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five, eliminating voluntary on field workout in the

736
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: spring and in favor of longer training camp ramp up,

737
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: with players reporting in mid June early July. Basically, the

738
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: ideal would be rolling extended OTA style ramp up, strength

739
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: and conditioning, non padded work, et cetera, straight into training

740
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: camp without six weeks of breaking de escalation between a

741
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: major change.

742
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: Do you like this O choke?

743
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 5: Absolutely not. Don't change it up.

744
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 4: Don't change it up, because you got to understand what

745
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 4: you're doing is also you're taking money out of people's pocket.

746
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 4: Sometimes the players in their contracts, they have incentives to

747
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 4: come to these voluntary workouts, you know, And why would

748
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 4: you want to extend training camp? Because I thought we

749
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 4: were I thought we were about protecting the players.

750
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: Culcher, we we've long decided that it was about the money.

751
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: So we've been decided what it was about. But you

752
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: can see where this thing is headed. So what you

753
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do is that we're gonna have this

754
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: long roll out one preseason game and we're gonna hit

755
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: the game running. We're gonna hit the field. We're going

756
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: to hit the ground the field running. So that's what

757
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: you're building up to. And maybe you still put that

758
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: in your contract, O Joe, mm hmm, maybe you still

759
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: put that in your contract.

760
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 4: Okay, take take take the money from the program and

761
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 4: attitude in season.

762
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean I never put that. I never had that

763
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: in my contract because I wasn't gonna come. So unless

764
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 1: you give me a half a million dollars, I wasn't gonna.

765
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't willing to for fifty thousand. I wasn't willing

766
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: to stay in Denver. I want to do my own

767
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: workout because I know I was gonna push myself harder

768
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: than what I was.

769
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: Gonna work out there.

770
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 1: And I was the only one that might that wasn't

771
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: required to be in Ota in offseason conditioning.

772
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 2: I'm the only one in Mike Shanahan's career. Mm hmm.

773
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 5: I don't, I don't.

774
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 4: I don't like it though. I don't like it though.

775
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 4: I don't like taking away the preseason games for those

776
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 4: that sign as free agents, for those that have come

777
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 4: out of the college and get an opportunity to make

778
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 4: the team. I don't like it for those that are third, fourth, fifth,

779
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 4: and sixth round draft picks, because they need that film.

780
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 4: They need that film of those three or four preseason

781
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: games that they do playing to get a chance not

782
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 4: only to make that squad, but to put themselves on

783
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 4: tape as a resume for other teams that might need

784
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 4: a body at that position.

785
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 5: I don't like it. I don't like it.

786
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 4: I don't like it because it takes away from them

787
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 4: and their opportunity to get a chance to play in

788
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 4: the NFL.

789
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: Man, you know how I feel. I mean, I made

790
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: it because we had five games. That's the only If

791
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: we'd have had three, I wouldn't have made it. We'd

792
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: have had four, the conventional I wouldn't have made it.

793
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: It was the very last game in which I made it,

794
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: so you already know how I feel. I was talking

795
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: to Commissioner He's like, what do you think about the

796
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: new rules, I'm like, commissioned. I'll be honest with you.

797
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: I ain't crazy about it. I understand why you guys

798
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: are implementing. Because the kickoff, the concussion rate goes up exponentially.

799
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: You're talking about probably extra twenty thirty forty percent because

800
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: the collisions are so great.

801
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: You get twenty.

802
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: Miles an hour running this way, twenty miles an hour

803
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: running that way, and when they collide, something bad gonna

804
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: happen eventually every time, especially if you you know, you

805
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: do that x amount of time. If you score on

806
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: a field goal, you score on a you know, a

807
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: punt return or something like that. There are a lot

808
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: of kickings, eat even punts. But I get it. I say,

809
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: for me, probably probably wouldn't have made it. Probably would

810
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: have had to wait another year, probably spent some time

811
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: on a practice squad for somebody to give me an opportunity.

812
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: Hopefully I showed enough for the Broncos. But I just

813
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: made it because of special team. Made it because of kickoff.

814
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

815
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: I was a wide receiver and I would go down

816
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: there and like, somebody ass up, But I didn't care.

817
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 2: I throw called you to the way I'm making this different.

818
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 4: But think about that, you had five teams to do it,

819
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 4: and you were able to make it because of special teams.

820
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 4: Now imagine them eliminating the off season program and then

821
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 4: having training camp, and then how do these individuals make

822
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 4: the team now with nothing to put on film?

823
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 5: One preseason game. That's not enough.

824
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: That's not nearly enough enough opportunities for individual to say like,

825
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 4: oh my goodness, look who this says? Standing out on film,

826
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 4: where you could make yourself, where you become more than

827
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 4: just a number. You need those games, man, You need

828
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 4: the time to put your resume together, and those those

829
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 4: two three games during the preseason, it does wonder.

830
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: S and ojo.

831
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: I was still in school, so what a lot of guys,

832
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: A lot of guys were out of school, and so

833
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: they were in the off season program. Man, I'm trying

834
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: to get my degree. Man, I wasn't dropping out of

835
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: school all now. Well I'm too close now, So I

836
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: didn't end up getting that your June, and so the

837
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: OTAs were ending like the second week of June, so

838
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: I really only got two weeks of OTAs and before

839
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: I had to leave and go do my own thing.

840
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: And then come back. But back then and they still

841
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: do it not sometimes, Ojo. We came in the rookies

842
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: and the first year players had to come in like

843
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: three days before the best got there, and so we

844
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: padded it up. We hitting even before the actual training

845
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: camp in which the events arrived. Oh yeah, I don't

846
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: know how they do it now, but I do see

847
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: sometimes rookies report on this day and the advance report

848
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: on the later day. But we're putting paths on. We

849
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: doing nine on seven, We doing everything that we're going

850
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: to do in training. Oh yes, oh yes, oh yeah.

851
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: Had had had nine on seven, one on one listen

852
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: the most, the most we put on with shells.

853
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 5: Remember the little shells, the little shells.

854
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: We had, man ain't nobody had them back then.

855
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: See back then they had you have spoder pass you know,

856
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: the spider pants that you put on a fun of

857
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: a fund of your shoulder pants.

858
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, shot the shock.

859
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we didn't have shells like yoh show we

860
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: have paths on Wednesday Thursday, and we have paths on

861
00:42:59,000 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: Friday with shorts.

862
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 2: There wasn't no shade. What the hell you talking about?

863
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 5: Oh no, come on now, I'm telling you. Hey, listen.

864
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: When I tell people, people don't understand bro nine O

865
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: seven was really putting people down. Seven O seven seven

866
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: o seven was a third up. You ain't just catching

867
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: no balls, say oh let him catch it?

868
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: Oh man, please. It was a different time back then.

869
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: Now probably like the forty nine ers were the only

870
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: team that the West Coast system. And you see how

871
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: they do a lot of teams doing now, they were

872
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: the only one doing that. And then as that tree

873
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: started splintering, you got Mike Homer leaving, You got Steve Marray,

874
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: you got other guys leaving they brought and implemented that system.

875
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: You got Andy. Yeah, Mike Homer took a lot of

876
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 1: those guys with him the Green Bay. He took Andy Reid,

877
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: he took John Gruden, who took Steve Marray ucci. And

878
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: so as those guys start to get in head coaching jobs,

879
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: they started implementing that WestCoast system where you're you know,

880
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: you're only hitting about ten times or ten times a week,

881
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: and that's normally on Thursday. Everything else is in shells

882
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: because you practice some speed, not so much hitting.

883
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: But oh no, bad two you kidding me?

884
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 5: Boy?

885
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: They brave, Hey, they got buttered from a duck back then, Yes, sir, Yes.

886
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 4: Indeed, y'all y'all better than me because I had a

887
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 4: few times where I had a few times and I

888
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 4: obviously I can say it now some of the times

889
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 4: when we would and we would have to have on

890
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 4: paths on a Wednesday practice, I'd be out there in

891
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 4: my shells because nobody was gonna hit me anyway. But

892
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 4: I just I mean, I listen, I wore size small

893
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 4: shoulder paths anyway, I were very small shoulder pads just

894
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 4: so I could be light.

895
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 5: But I put my shells on.

896
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 4: What in New England, Belichick, you had to have five

897
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 4: pass knee pads. You know, you know how in the

898
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 4: locker room where they put in the room is and

899
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 4: they have the.

900
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 5: Address ro it got on everything.

901
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 4: That's how you got to go to practice in the

902
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 4: everybody that everybody, or he'll send you in everybody, five pass,

903
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 4: knee pass, show the past, everything mine.

904
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: The way we practiced, Mike said, the way you play

905
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: the game, that's how I want you to come to practice. Well,

906
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: me ed a lot of us the dB ain't have

907
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: no five pass, no knee pass, no hill pass. So

908
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: Mike said, that's the way you go in the game. Now,

909
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: Dan Reeve's like, okay, you ain't got to wear no

910
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: thigh pass. But if you get a five rule, it's

911
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: gonna cost you about five thousand.

912
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 4: He get you put him in quick. But see, you

913
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 4: got your teammates. Got to be on your side, though,

914
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 4: Your teammates got to be in your id and protecting

915
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 4: you and saying, listen, we got pads on. But if

916
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 4: we're gonna do anything, let's start it up. Let's start up.

917
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 4: Make sure makes you in position to make the tackle

918
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 4: as if it was as if it was a game simulated.

919
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 5: But don't hit me. Don't hit me for real. Don't

920
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 5: don't hit me for real.

921
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: I mean, but you man, you know them five rules

922
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: anything they freak Oh Joe, sometimes you just you know,

923
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: you and y'all run together and his knee hits you,

924
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: It hits you.

925
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 2: Hold on.

926
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 4: Have you ever have you got a thigh bruise? And

927
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 4: it hard enough to stiffing up? And then they got

928
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 4: to use that remember that is it called a grass?

929
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 4: Oh my god, and it got a strap to get

930
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 4: it lose. Yeah, yeah, I know what it is.

931
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 5: That's what for that pain.

932
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: That shit hurt many that it was different. I'm glad

933
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: they changed because bad. But just think, oh, Joe, that's

934
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: how like in the six years in the seventies, everybody

935
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: was practicing like that all the practice, huh with Wednesday

936
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: Thursday put you on the ground. Friday you had on

937
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: shoulder paths and helmets. There was no shells. We had

938
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: on shoulder pads for the entire practice.

939
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 4: Well, somebody said, have said somebody back then, whoever, whoever

940
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 4: the leader, whoever the leader of the Broncos was back then.

941
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 5: Matter of fact, his name is John Elway.

942
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 4: Always should have said something, man, listen.

943
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 5: Quarterbacks, we want to be fresh on Sunday.

944
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks normally wore their paths because they needed to get

945
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 1: used to throwing their past. For the most part, John

946
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: always wore his past, even but even at least at

947
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: least for like a part of practice. And then he

948
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: would take the pass off. Oh, they tell me the

949
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: paths up. You had to tell me, you had to

950
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: tell me what whoa I'm going? But those were today, though, Shoe,

951
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: it's a it was a different mentality play back then.

952
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

953
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: That's why you see these guys runn across the middle

954
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: and unhanded thing and take itself in.

955
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: And then that back. Then bad Mike single there.

956
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: Oh those guys, Oh, go cross to but you ain't

957
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: going across there but once bet you wouldn't come back.

958
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 5: And you don't think about it twice. If you do,

959
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 5: gotta go, what.

960
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: Next thing? You know you'd be looking through that. You're

961
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: looking through your ear hole, yo, somebody that killed it.

962
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: Buffalo bills ate more than thirty one million dollars to

963
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: trade start wide receiver Stepan Diggs this offseason, a record

964
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: for a non quarterback. So why didn't the team wait

965
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: until June first to deal Digs, which has spread the

966
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: financial impact between the seasons.

967
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: General manager Brandon Being.

968
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: Explained that Buffalo prepared to get that albatross of Diggs

969
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: contract off the books rather sooner than later. We decided

970
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: to just go ahead and eat it out now. We

971
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: think that we can compete and do what we need

972
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: to do by eating it now, because we didn't. We

973
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: would have tried to come up with a way to

974
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: split it up too many different ways. It's just like

975
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: that albatross hanging a round our neck. What twenty five

976
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: look like? What's twenty six look like?

977
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 4: Hey, listen, That's one thing about business. They're always looking ahead.

978
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 4: They're always looking ahead. So obviously they want to get

979
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 4: get themselves out of that contract. But that's fine. That's

980
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 4: fine with now Gabe Davis going, Stefan Digg going, we

981
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 4: have a media darling and Keon Coleman that's there. But

982
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 4: now can Josh Allen doit? Patrick Mahome did once they

983
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 4: got rid of Tyreek, and Tyreek came down to the Dolphins.

984
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 4: We're going to see how great and how good Josh

985
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 4: Allen is. Well the fact that he does have Keon Coleman.

986
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 4: I'm not sure the second receiver will be there. I

987
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 4: know Keon Coleman probably going to be the number one.

988
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 4: We're going to see how good you are because now

989
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 4: you have to make up for the production that's not

990
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 4: there on the outside, because we don't know what Keon

991
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 4: Coleman's going to be. He's probably going to be good,

992
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 4: but now you have to make all the right decisions.

993
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 4: You have to make all the right throws because you're

994
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 4: not going to have that fourteen fifteen hundred yard receiver

995
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 4: that you can rely on twenty four to seven, come

996
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 4: hell of high water. When it matters most I know

997
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 4: he's had some drops, you know, in the playoffs or whatnot.

998
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 4: But again, still he is a very very very good

999
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 4: to me top five receiver in his NFL.

1000
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: Still, I think the thing what was gonna a lot

1001
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: of people saying, well, Josh Allen didn't take that step

1002
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: until he got step on Digs.

1003
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 4: Oh did you see that? I mean, listen, the numbers

1004
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 4: don't lie once once Dig's got there. Oh boy, hey, listen,

1005
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 4: they were they they were god damn like Mark Anthony

1006
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 4: and j Lo.

1007
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 5: Huh. They was like Tina.

1008
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: Marie and Rick Jet short lived that what you go with.

1009
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 5: Hey, but listen, while they were living, it was good.

1010
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 5: While they were living, it was good.

1011
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 2: Yes, it was. Yeah.

1012
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: It's gonna be very interesting to see how this thing

1013
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: pans out. We've seen what Patrick Mahoons did without Tyreek,

1014
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: who we believe in the most dangerous one of the

1015
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: top two.

1016
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: He's not going past too.

1017
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: No matter who your receivers are, heill's not going out

1018
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: in the top two for me. With that speed, with

1019
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: his big playability, his ability to run any route.

1020
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 2: Is he the best route runner?

1021
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: No, but he has the most speed of anybody just

1022
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: running route, So give me him. Yeah, because he's the

1023
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 1: only guy that you throw him a five yard route

1024
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: and he can hit his head on the gold post.

1025
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: Every time you can take a five yard right, do

1026
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: an eight yard spectacle.

1027
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 4: Hey, the only person in the NFL when you have

1028
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 4: to take an angle, you run towards the end zone.

1029
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: You try to cut it, gettle lost. Yeah, if we

1030
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: both at the fifty, I'm trying to intercept them.

1031
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 2: Met the team.

1032
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: I'm trying.

1033
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: Oh, Joe, he read it like this. Here, I read

1034
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: it like that.

1035
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to Hey, if he stopped cutting back,

1036
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: he got me.

1037
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 4: But if he can, oh, yeah, you got you. Hey,

1038
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 4: that's yeah, it's uh. I like it though, Listen, I

1039
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 4: love I love Josh Man. The few times I had

1040
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 4: the opportunity to meet him, I.

1041
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 5: Just I just like. I like what he had with Digs,

1042
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 5: I like what he had with Gabe Davis.

1043
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 4: The fact that they weren't able to get over the hump,

1044
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 4: it's unfortunate, But obviously you're paying Josh Allen the type

1045
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 4: of money he is making.

1046
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 5: You know, sometimes some of the pieces around.

1047
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 4: You are going to change, and it's up to you

1048
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 4: to be top three quarterback that we think you are

1049
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 4: or you're paid such as you got to show up.

1050
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 5: You got to show up, whether you've got rookies around

1051
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 5: you or not.

1052
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 4: You have to make all the right decisions, make all

1053
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 4: the right throws, and do what past Mahome has done consistently.

1054
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 3: You know.

1055
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: The thing is is that.

1056
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: Like Buffalo, they go all in, they don't win it,

1057
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: and they got to break it down. You see, they

1058
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: lose pourrier, they lose a white the corner, they lose

1059
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: other pieces, and you see my homeboy like, you know

1060
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: what a I'm gonna take a little less, h not

1061
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: too much.

1062
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean he takes. He probably taken.

1063
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: He's probably taken ten, probably ten to fifteen million dollars

1064
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: per year less. But he's like, you know, he's probably

1065
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: making twenty million dollars off the field. Hold on how

1066
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: much he just got a check for it? Did they

1067
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: just get a check the other day for like thirty

1068
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: million dollars? Because I think they took it a roster

1069
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: bonus something. I just I wasn't meant to send that

1070
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: to you, Ash. I think he I think he just

1071
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: got a check because he's guarant his twenty twenty five

1072
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: salary is already guaranteed. Because he's on the roster, so

1073
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: they guarantee what he's twenty five, So how much did

1074
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: he get that check they just sent him for like

1075
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: a month a month ago. But him being on the

1076
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: roster in twenty twenty four guarantees his twenty twenty five salary,

1077
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: so and so to keep that. So they's like, hey, bad,

1078
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: check this out. Then what we're gonna do. We're gonna

1079
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: come give you that and to sign this bonus. Okay,

1080
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: I'll take you by forty million, y'all give me thirty

1081
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: nine of it right now? Yeah, no problem? Yeah, but

1082
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: uh but yeah, it's it's on Josh. Now it's on Josh.

1083
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: It's very unfortunate because they finally had they's like, we

1084
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: won't Patrick Mahomes in our building in the playoffs the

1085
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: last two times, and they had to go there and

1086
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: it didn't end up well for us, even Baltimore, we

1087
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: want him in our building that stay here. A different cat.

1088
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: Now you a different cat. He a different cat come

1089
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: playoff time. What you did to him in the regular

1090
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: season ain't gonna have no bearing on whether it's gonna

1091
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: happen in the postseason. Yeah, and so it's, uh, if

1092
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: you find it. Let me know ask. Confidence isn't an

1093
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: issue for steel Steeler's cornerback Joey Porter Jr. He ended

1094
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: the starting line of Week seven and never lost the spot.

1095
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: Porter says, I'm always gonna pick me over anybody else

1096
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: when asked who's the best cornerback in the league.

1097
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: There are a lot of good dvs in this league.

1098
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: Nobody was doing what I was doing against wide receiver ones.

1099
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: Uh this entirely locking them down. I don't care if

1100
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: I mentioned in there not, because they're going to hear

1101
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: my name eventually. In seventeen games the level start, the

1102
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three second round pick had forty three tackles,

1103
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: one for lost, one in exceptions. Ten passive defense. He

1104
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: finished fifth and defensive Rookie of the Year. Salt Gardner

1105
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: Passer change I Alexander Denzel war.

1106
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 5: I like it.

1107
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 4: If you're gonna talk, now listen. If you're gonna talk,

1108
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 4: you gotta walk it. Asher, Pops, Joey Porter, ash you

1109
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 4: pops how we used to go at him.

1110
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: Sure, one of the.

1111
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 4: Great one of the greatest trash talkers of all time,

1112
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 4: and Joey Porter much respect to him.

1113
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: But I like it for sure. You yourself.

1114
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 4: Listen, put the league on notice. This is what you

1115
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 4: got to do. Come out, create you some bullets and

1116
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 4: board material. Now what you got to do, even though

1117
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 4: you're stealer, I love you to death, you got to

1118
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 4: follow in the footsteps. So one of some of the

1119
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 4: greatest that have come through there. Now, if you're gonna

1120
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 4: talk like that, now you got to come and show.

1121
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 5: Like somebody that I know that. Also, what hey, Joey

1122
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 5: I mean, uh, Joey Porter Jr. Wear twenty four don't so.

1123
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh there's a great there's a great twenty four

1124
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 4: that gave me hell for a decade straight. And Ike Taylor,

1125
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 4: huh a great one. So again, if you're gonna talk,

1126
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 4: maybe all you gotta do is walk it. All you

1127
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 4: got to do is walk it. I like it, and

1128
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 4: you got to have that confidence you have to. Most

1129
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 4: of the time, most of the people don't say it.

1130
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 4: Most of the people don't let it be known publicly,

1131
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 4: because once you let look, once you let it be

1132
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 4: known publicly.

1133
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 5: Now you have a targeting.

1134
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure.

1135
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 5: Now they're gonna come at you. Now they're gonna throw

1136
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 5: at you.

1137
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 2: Well, they gonna do that anyway.

1138
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 5: I love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they gonna do

1139
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 5: that anyway.

1140
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 4: But even more so now that you're coming out saying

1141
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 4: you feeling like you wanted the best at what you do,

1142
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 4: you just gotta go do it. Man, you win, You've done.

1143
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 4: You wear at number twenty four. Anyway, if you're anything,

1144
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 4: if you're gonna be anything like Ike Taylor boy, you'll

1145
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 4: you want you want you You're on the right path

1146
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 4: and that's what all due respect.

1147
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: Oh so what they did Ojo is that the twenty

1148
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: twenty four March twenty four, the restructure. They gave him

1149
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: twenty seven million in salaries converted into a signing bonus,

1150
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: and his base salary is only eight point six million,

1151
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: so they cult, Yeah.

1152
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 4: That was a free that's a free cap space. That's

1153
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 4: that's a little that's a little game. They always play.

1154
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 4: You see, you see the game how they play. When

1155
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 4: they want to create space, they know what to do.

1156
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 4: There's never an issue with money and paying players because

1157
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 4: there's always a way to manipulate the numbers and create

1158
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 4: space for who you want to.

1159
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 2: Because his latest contract, so I'm.

1160
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 4: Trying to understand, I'm trying to understand what they're waiting

1161
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,959
Speaker 4: on with that I'm trying to understand what they waiting

1162
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 4: on with tour.

1163
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 5: I'm trying to stand love and again I'm trying to

1164
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 5: drum what are you waiting on with love? What are

1165
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 5: you waiting on?

1166
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 4: As far as chasing Ti Higgins is concerned, now they

1167
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 4: have to see how the books are going too.

1168
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 2: Joe.

1169
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, if one of if Higgins willing to take like

1170
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: twenty two to twenty four million because he.

1171
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 4: Hadn't signed, he hadn't signed that franchise, that franchise tag

1172
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 4: get either. Now, at what point do we say or

1173
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 4: Tea for that matter, does t say, you know what,

1174
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 4: I'm a better on myself this year? And God forbid,

1175
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 4: he's able to play a season injury free and he

1176
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 4: hit the market.

1177
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: The tag on him again right.

1178
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 5: Now, listen, listen, he don't don't do don't do nothing

1179
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 5: like that. Now.

1180
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 4: If I'm willing to bet on myself and I'm willing

1181
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 4: to stay and play on the tag at twenty one,

1182
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 4: now you need to.

1183
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 5: Listen.

1184
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 4: The Chiefs organization, I salute them for what they did

1185
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 4: with Lujerious sneed understanding his value and allowing him to

1186
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 4: go get.

1187
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: Real.

1188
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: Say if I give you ten year, good year, you

1189
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: should be able to let me walk with all my money. Yeah,

1190
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you.

1191
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 2: Said you let me work with all my money.

1192
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 5: Hey, did you hear me? Did you what you just said?

1193
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 4: Reill gave me ten great years and she should be

1194
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 4: able to walk with all her money. But if you

1195
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 4: walk with all your money, them ten years of the

1196
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 4: lifestyle that and allowed me to be able to live.

1197
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm leading, I'm leaving. That's what they said at

1198
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 5: I'm leaving here with something.

1199
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: Do it again, and then if they could be nast

1200
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: they could put two years of the franchise and then

1201
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: a year of the transition tag on.

1202
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 4: But listen, knowing knowing mister Brown, knowing Katie knowing cheap, Uh.

1203
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 5: Listen, don't do that now.

1204
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 4: You know we spending Now you better look at what

1205
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 4: we paid them our old officer line and look we

1206
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 4: paid Burrow.

1207
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 5: Don't do that.

1208
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 4: We're not cheap that that that narrative needs to be

1209
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:56,479
Speaker 4: any race because we spend on that the state.

1210
00:59:58,600 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 5: No, we haven't.

1211
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: We have to do y'all Friday under the interstate. Yes

1212
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 2: or no?

1213
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 5: We have a bums with indoor facility. No, well, when

1214
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 5: the sun is out, when.

1215
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 2: Sun was out, where do you guys practice.

1216
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: Can I parked my car on the overpass and watch

1217
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: the Bengals practice?

1218
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 2: Yes? Or no? Yes?

1219
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 5: I can't.

1220
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 2: Yes, I can't.

1221
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,919
Speaker 5: That's a ticket. That's a ticket. No, you can't ticket.

1222
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: Can I parked my car on the overpass and watch?

1223
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: I just want to know? Yes or no?

1224
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 5: I've never seen that, Joe.

1225
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: I did because I did it?

1226
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 5: Yeah you did? Who was who was finding out?

1227
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: Nobody? I just happen to be. I just happen to

1228
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: be watching. You know, they had got me a nice view.

1229
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 5: What's funny?

1230
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: Y'all just started getting pieces on Friday?

1231
01:00:52,920 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 4: Piece on Friday. Go start chili, Gold start chili. We Hey,

1232
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 4: you know what we eat? Funnel Cake Island. Yeah, we

1233
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 4: got funnel cakes. Yeah, funnel Now you don't eat funnel cakes.

1234
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 4: But listen, anybody in the chat that's in Cincinnati, I'm

1235
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 4: gonna tell you about funnel Cake Island. Now, I forgot that.

1236
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 4: I got the street. It's on my homeboy on it.

1237
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 4: Y'all got to check it out. Funnel Cake alum, really

1238
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 4: really good, really really good. If you, if you, if

1239
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 4: you ever in Cincinnati, you gotta you gotta go try it.

1240
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 2: I got a Mikey on my team.

1241
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: Her name is adh So anytime we go somewhere, we

1242
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: don't know what it is.

1243
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 2: We just slidden the ash. As is our official.

1244
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: Mikey, she's gonna try. As don't like funnel cake. I

1245
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: know it's bad. What official? Wait, she don't like and

1246
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: as like everything. Oh, she at least tried. That's one

1247
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: thing about AS. She's like, don't knock it till you

1248
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: try it. I was like, no, I'm gonna knock it.

1249
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna knock it over if you put it in

1250
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: front of me. So that that's that's the thing. I'm

1251
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: assuming she's had a bad experience. So she went somewhere

1252
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: where the funnel cakes weren't good.

1253
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 4: Now, if you're ever in Cincinnati for whatever reason, oh

1254
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 4: the fair, Oh the Fair. No no, no, no, no, no, Listen,

1255
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 4: they don't make no funnel cakes. Like young bull out

1256
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 4: there in Cincinnati make these funnel cakes. I'm telling you, man,

1257
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 4: all type of toppings, all type of this crazy strawberry oreo,

1258
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 4: like all types of crazy stuff. I'm listen to me.

1259
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 4: Funnel cake Island and Cincinnati. I can't remember what street

1260
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 4: is on, but it's in the same in the same plaza.

1261
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 4: As a restaurant called Hooks. Now that that's all I knew.

1262
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: I don't.

1263
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 5: I don't know the cross streets.

1264
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 4: But if you if you're from Cincinnati in here and

1265
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:44,439
Speaker 4: you're in the chat, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

1266
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 4: But hey, tell ash ash Ash, you got to try

1267
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 4: this funnel cake.

1268
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 5: And if I'm wrong, if I'm to.

1269
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 2: State Fair, I know I've had an affair. Yeah, I've

1270
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 2: eaten it.

1271
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: I've eaten it a fair, but not to text State

1272
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: Fair where you know where they fry oreole snickers butter,

1273
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: they fry everything.

1274
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, what you know about elephanteers? You know about elephant

1275
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 4: ears the flower or the plant? No no, no, not

1276
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 4: a real elephant called elephants. No no, I'm talking about like

1277
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 4: it's like similar to a funnel cake a little bit,

1278
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 4: but it's made a little different at the day County

1279
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 4: you Fair. All I care about is going to get

1280
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 4: that corner in the cab. I care about the sisky Bob,

1281
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 4: I care about I don't like.

1282
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: No, oh come because I don't like them peppers and

1283
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: I don't like that.

1284
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 2: I just want just just go. I don't I don't

1285
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 2: like I don't like it.

1286
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 4: No are you listen, you're missing out on the final

1287
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 4: things like, Man, if you don't like sisky.

1288
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: Well we go go to that what do you call it?

1289
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: We go go to the Uh? Were gonna go to

1290
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:51,439
Speaker 1: Texas State Fair?

1291
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 5: Texas State Fair? When is that? When is this the it's.

1292
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: Doing the October It's like Oklahoma Texas, right, that's the

1293
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: Oklahoma Texas game. We need to go and eat ok Man,

1294
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you because I know my stomach gonna beat.

1295
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm ready. I I got some cowboy boots too.

1296
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 4: I ain't had a chance to wear too.

1297
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you ain't got no cowboy the hell you

1298
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: got cowboy boots and Flora?

1299
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 2: What you hello?

1300
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 5: I'm a bull rider? You forgot? I still practice. I

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Speaker 5: ride horse. I ride horses on the weekend.

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Speaker 2: I am teller.

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Speaker 5: No, come on, now, you know I ride horses.

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Speaker 4: I know you've seen the many eclipse of me riding horses,

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Speaker 4: going fast as hell, doing tricks all that.

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Speaker 2: Do that? Ash?

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Speaker 4: Can you pull Can you please pull up videos for

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Speaker 4: uncle and me riding horses. I am a professional bull rider.

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Speaker 1: You're not no professional with this? Can you do something

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Speaker 1: doesn't make you a professional? That's all it takes because

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Speaker 1: I was on a professional circum If you paying a picture,

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Speaker 1: did that make you an artist?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Who mem Yeah, because I get that, I get to

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Speaker 4: set the value on how much it's worked all now.

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Speaker 5: If I can get anybody to buy it, that makes

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Speaker 5: me a posssion. And that's what that's what everybody else

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Speaker 5: do to

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Speaker 4: The volume