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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Insiders, Tom Pillicero, Ian Rappaport, joined

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Speaker 1: right now by our friend Sarah Waltz in London, one

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Speaker 1: game into her three game personal International series. Sarah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is pretty late your time, so we appreciate you

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Speaker 1: taking a time and portion of your evening to its.

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Speaker 2: Prime, prime dinner time.

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Speaker 1: Ian would be about four beers deep at a pub somewhere,

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Speaker 1: so we appreciate you having What do you mean she.

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Speaker 2: Could hold on us?

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Speaker 3: Said anything else? She could be drunk right now.

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Speaker 2: No, she sounds She said, sure, this would.

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Speaker 4: Be a lot better if I was Ian. I'll tell

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Speaker 4: you that.

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Speaker 2: That's a good That is also a valid point.

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Speaker 1: If you're picking up right here and you didn't hear

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Speaker 1: part one of the podcasts, you can go there or

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Speaker 1: stick it out with this one. We talk about separate

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Speaker 1: topics in each one every single Monday.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you finding us.

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Speaker 1: However you did, Sarah. Let's get right into that game yesterday.

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Speaker 1: It was obviously a big moment for the Browns, starting

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Speaker 1: a new quarterback and Dylan Gabriel, who we saw some

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Speaker 1: things from. It also felt like a really critical game

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Speaker 1: for the Vikings, a zero to two stretch internationally would

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Speaker 1: have hurt. They had so many different injuries. They got

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Speaker 1: Even though it wasn't really pretty yesterday, walking off that field,

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Speaker 1: it seemed like, Okay, maybe this is kind of a

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Speaker 5: I was thinking about it today too, when these guys

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Speaker 5: always talk about it's a game of inches, and I

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Speaker 5: think mentally, it's a game of inches, and where this

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Speaker 5: team would have been to your point flying back yesterday,

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Speaker 5: and Kevin O'Connell, even before that game kicked and we

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Speaker 5: talked to him, was talking about, look, our goal was

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Speaker 5: to come out here to Dublin, to London and to

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Speaker 5: go home with two more wins. And he's like, and

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Speaker 4: And that game's tiken down.

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Speaker 5: And it really felt like Dylan Gabriel and the Browns

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Speaker 5: very end. I mean, the Vikings were in it the

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Speaker 5: entire time, but the Browns were controlling the clock. There

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Speaker 5: were just it seemed like they were struggling more on

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Speaker 5: the Viking side, and so the fact that that slipped

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Speaker 5: away for Dylan Gabriel and the Browns justin Jefferson. They

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Speaker 5: needed the big play, they got it from him. Jordan

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Speaker 5: Addison stepped up. But it really could have been very

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Speaker 5: different for Minnesota if Addison doesn't come up with those

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Speaker 5: winning touchdown, and then I think it's a much different

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Speaker 5: a little bit of panic. I think there would have

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Speaker 5: been frustration. Tom, you know more than anybody living there.

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Speaker 5: It felt like it could have been heading that direction.

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Speaker 5: The O line situation is really difficult for them. And

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Speaker 5: I say this to people all the time because you guys,

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Speaker 5: and they have had a tremendous amount a turnover on

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Speaker 5: that offensive line, signing practice squad players, signing practice squad

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Speaker 5: to somehow piece this thing together well Over in Minnesota,

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Speaker 5: O'Connell said, it's like twelve thirteen combinations in now and

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Speaker 5: it showed.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Carson Wentz was under pressure at all times.

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Speaker 5: Granted he was going against the number one defense in

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Speaker 6: Sarah, So, I have some thoughts on the Vikings and Browns,

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Speaker 3: Can you tell us like what's going on over there?

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Speaker 6: Because like Tom and I have obviously never been and

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Speaker 4: It's really different. So it's been sort of NonStop.

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Speaker 5: That's where they're at.

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Speaker 1: That's where I saw Sean Payton say something along the

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Speaker 1: Sarah Walsh cast one thousands on the pregame show as well.

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Speaker 1: But it does say something about, you know, just kind

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Speaker 1: and I know you're coming right off of the Vikings

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Speaker 5: You know what's so funny is I'm over here and

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Speaker 5: And you guys, I know, you guys were talking about

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Speaker 5: never know, man, Maybe maybe it's some London magic for

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Speaker 1: Sarah, tremendous stuff. Enjoy the remaining couple of weeks. Hopefully

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Speaker 4: Thank you guys.

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Speaker 5: Look, no pub time, but Ian, I'm sure we could

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Speaker 5: We got plenty. The teams are just getting here. There's

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Speaker 4: On over here.

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Speaker 6: I will talk to the bosses and they will decline

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Sarah, or from the insiders.

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Speaker 1: After this, we had a ton of big comebacks around

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Speaker 2: I don't know that there was a nut of your game.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I've seen many nute of your

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Speaker 1: That would make it twenty eight to six. The Cardinals

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Speaker 3: Instead you have it. They keep watching that.

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Speaker 1: It's because it is baffling ian, because it is just

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Speaker 1: it's hard. It's hard to see how that's an interception,

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Speaker 2: There's two different ways to look at this.

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Speaker 1: You have a Cardinals team that this is I mean,

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Speaker 2: A gut punch as you're ever going to have.

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Speaker 1: they've quit on Brian Callahan, they don't care a play

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Speaker 8: And I like that approach Tom because they didn't need it,

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Speaker 7: We've seen flashes of positive things from that.

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Speaker 8: The team's not the roster's not very good, right, They're

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Speaker 8: You need those from.

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Speaker 7: Time to time.

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Speaker 8: I'm putting all this on Arizona because if my guy

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Speaker 7: Three scores, that's including a two point conversions.

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Speaker 2: It's a twenty eight six game. I mean it is over.

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Speaker 8: So when you're at the combine, when your coach to

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Speaker 7: You run? Through the four.

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Speaker 8: Right when you're doing everything at every level, you run

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Speaker 8: old school whatever. I've got no time for this. I

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Speaker 8: individual performances. And you drop a pass, that's one thing.

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Speaker 8: You throw an interception that's another thing. That stuff is inexcusable.

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Speaker 8: And again you have to answer to those coaches and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and just real quick, because I know we got

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Speaker 6: But I think you are right, Steve, to draw a

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Speaker 1: The thing I keep thinking is what what does the

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Speaker 1: Like if if you know, again, I'm not an NFL coach,

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Speaker 2: I just don't know what else, what else you do

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Speaker 1: The week before, it was the Colts who had ad

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Speaker 1: But it's cold Stein now that should be five to

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Speaker 7: A long year. Yeah it is.

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Speaker 8: I mean it's just there. We've seen this before, like change,

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Speaker 7: When you strategically build a patchwork defense with mainly guys

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Speaker 7: culture wise, he's going to be able to get his

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Speaker 7: arms around some things. Maybe he still can't to some point.

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Speaker 7: This is systemic.

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Speaker 8: Fifteen layers deep in that building, and Tom Brady whatever

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Speaker 8: can sit in the coaches but that's not helping a thing.

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Speaker 1: So I think the whole competitive disadvantage thing has gone

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Speaker 1: out the window. Whatever they were getting from Tom, I

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Speaker 1: don't think that it's making to me.

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Speaker 7: Ian.

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Speaker 1: We know Chip Kelly's making a ton of money. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: at some point here you're looking. I mean, Chips are

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Speaker 1: very you know, intelligent guy. He just want a national

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Speaker 1: title at Ohio State. But it was not good at

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Speaker 1: the end in Philly, it was not good. As you're

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Speaker 1: in San Francisco, at what point does some of the

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Speaker 1: heat begin getting redirected there again within the broader context

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Speaker 1: that they don't have a true number one wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: Jacobe Myers is a really good player, but probably not

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Speaker 1: a true number one Brock Bauers is out. You have

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Speaker 1: a running back, but you're just you're struggling to get

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Speaker 1: the consistent production. Did you want to hear At what point

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Speaker 1: does do people in the buildings start to look at Chip?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think that's a good question. There's a

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Speaker 6: lot of places to look. I mean, the the you know,

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Speaker 6: look the I would say, taking a running back in

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Speaker 6: the top ten when he's the best player on your board.

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Speaker 6: I didn't argue with that at the time. Kevin Banks

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Speaker 6: is a very good tackle. That probably would have been

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Speaker 6: their pick. He shut down Abdulla Carter when the Saints

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Speaker 6: played the Giants yesterday. That would have been the guy

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Speaker 6: like that would have helped to add a stud tackle

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Speaker 6: on that offensive. Like, there's a lot of decisions that

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Speaker 6: sort of go into it, but Gino playing some of

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Speaker 6: the worst football he's ever played in his career does

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Speaker 6: bring you back to like, why are we paying so

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Speaker 6: much money for this guy?

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Speaker 3: The other thing I would say is.

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Speaker 6: Like I remember I thought personally that Chip Kelly was

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Speaker 6: going to go to the Texans, and I remember when

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Speaker 6: he went to the Raiders being surprised. They hired a

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Speaker 6: young guy named Nick Keyley who've never been in oc before.

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Speaker 6: And now the Texans the last two weeks have kind

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Speaker 6: of started looking pretty good and the Raiders haven't. And

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Speaker 6: she was always very interesting to see what might have

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Speaker 3: Anyway, it's a lot of problems there in Vegas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, last thing, real quick, speaking of bad offenses, Steve

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Speaker 1: the Bengals at least found something in the fourth order

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Speaker 1: yesterday and put the ball in the end zone a

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Speaker 1: few times. If you're sitting there and you're Mike Brown,

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Speaker 1: you're Duke Tovin or Zach Taylor, what are you doing

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Speaker 1: a quarterback?

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Speaker 7: I'm making trade and I was saying it for weeks.

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Speaker 7: Go ahead and trade for Jamis.

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Speaker 8: At least show the guy you think I would think

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Speaker 8: Jamis because I don't know what Russ does for you.

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Speaker 8: Saw Russ last year. He killed you in that game.

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Speaker 8: I think we threw five interceptions. One thing about James,

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Speaker 8: he's not playing it safe. He's letting it rip a

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Speaker 8: lot like Jake Browning. But he's letting it rip deep, right,

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Speaker 8: and you got two of the best deep threats in

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Speaker 8: the NFL. He's all charisma. I'm a Jake Brownie guy,

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Speaker 8: but he just and it's not all on him. I mean,

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Speaker 8: they're a mess.

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Speaker 1: J Jake Brownie was three interceptions three touchdowns yesterday. That

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Speaker 1: sounds like a Jameis Winston's that line. It would it

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Speaker 1: would definitely lend a different personality to it. Ian But

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Speaker 1: real quick, what do you think is the most likely

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Speaker 1: scenario of how this plays out this week?

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Speaker 6: This is going to air eight o'clock, So for sure

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Speaker 6: this could be old takes exposed, I think, but don't

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Speaker 6: really know that they saw enough of Browning in the

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Speaker 6: fourth quarter to say one more week. But we will

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Speaker 6: see which way it ends up going.

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Speaker 1: Steve, Thank you very much, great stuff from you. You

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Speaker 2: We're on the fast streaming platforms on Mondays and Thursdays.

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Speaker 2: Just just find us wherever you are we are. We'll

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