1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: It's that time. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 2: Time, time, time, luck and load. 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: So Michael Verie Show is on the air. 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 3: After all we have been through together, we stand on 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 3: the verge of the four greatest years in the history 6 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: of the USA. With your help, from now until election Day, 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 3: we will restore America's promise. We will put America first, 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 3: and we will take back the nation that we all love. 9 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 3: We bleed the same blood, we share the same home, 10 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:51,639 Speaker 3: and we salute the same great American flag. We are 11 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: one people, one family, and one glorious nation under God. 12 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 4: We will never give in. We will never give up. 13 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: We will never ever back down. Together, we will fight, fight, fight, 14 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 3: and we will win, win, win. 15 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna win, win, win. 16 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: Have our American ancestors pushed onward, marched forward, and overcame 17 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 3: every single obstacle that stood in their way. Together they 18 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 3: crossed the oceans, settled the continent, came the wilderness, laid 19 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 3: down the railroads, raised up those mighty skyscrapers, built the highways, 20 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 3: won two World Wars, defeated fascism and communism, and launched 21 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 3: American astronauts. 22 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 4: To the moon. 23 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 3: It was hard working patriots like you who built this country. 24 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 3: And nine from now it's hard working patriots like you 25 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: who are going to save. 26 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 4: Our cont. 27 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: I received a message from a fellaw who is on 28 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: a Facebook page called True France True True fans only 29 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: group of the Houston Oilers. So I guess it's a 30 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: closed group, he says. A fellow named Gary posted the 31 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: following quote, what's up with Ken Stabler? Is he still around? 32 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: A man named Richard made the following comment, Gary, since 33 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: you asked about Ken Stabler and you are from or 34 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: live in Houston, as I am from Houston now living 35 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: in Alabama, let me share a piece of little known 36 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: trivia about Ken Stabler and Don Sutton both having Houston backgrounds, 37 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: Ken with the Oilers and Don with the Astros. Sutton 38 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 1: played for the Astros eighty one eighty two, and Stabler 39 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: of course comes over in March of eighty plays one year, 40 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: holds out the beginning of the next year, plays the 41 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: first of a two year contract. He's released, goes down 42 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: to New Orleans, and at thirty seven his career is done. 43 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: That second year that he is with the Oilers, they 44 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: went seven to nine and the luster was gone. I 45 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: think I think both teams lost out of the Pastorini 46 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: and Stabler trade. I think that had Pastorini stayed, the 47 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: Oilers would have been better. Had Stabler stayed in Oakland, 48 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: it was probably a better fit for their offense. Pastorini, 49 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: as you know, has a broken leg five games into 50 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: the season. Jim Plunkett comes in, the team goes to 51 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. It didn't work out for either quarterback. 52 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: Such things happen, so Ken played with the Oilers in 53 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: Don with the Astros. Ken went to high school in 54 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: La Lower Alabama, and Don went to high school across 55 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: the border in the Florida Panhandle. Neither high school was 56 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: that well known. Don Sutton, of course, had a Hall 57 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: of Fame career in baseball with some years in Houston, 58 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: and Ken had a similar career in college and professional football. 59 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: In Don Sutton's three years of varsity high school baseball, 60 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: he lost only one game, and the pitcher who beat 61 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: him was Kenny Stabler, who played one year of baseball 62 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: at the University of Alabama and then his baseball career 63 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: was shut down by coach Bear Bryant. We'll never know 64 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: the what if of that story. I don't know if 65 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: that's true, but that's what was posted, and I thought 66 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: it was interesting, and I had a Houston connection. I 67 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: do know this. I went back and looked at Don 68 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: Sutton's career Hall of Fame career started with fourteen years 69 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: with the Dodgers, and then he bounced around and that's 70 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: when he came to the Astros, and he would go 71 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: on to other teams and he would have incredible success 72 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: and longevity, finishing his career having started in sixty six. 73 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: In eighty eight as a Dodger, they brought him back 74 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: for the one year to finish his career there well. 75 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy eight when he was at the peak 76 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: of his career, Steve Garvey was the star of those 77 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: Dodgers teams, and Don Sutton told member of the media 78 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: he was annoyed that Garvey was getting all this attention. 79 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: And Don Sutton told a member of the media, Reggie 80 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: Smith is actually the best player on this team. Y'all 81 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: can stop swooning for Steve Garvey. Garvey finds out about 82 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: it and confronts him before the next game. They have 83 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: to be separated because they're in a scuffle, which is 84 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: impressive because Garvey had those big, old popeye arms. I 85 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: didn't think Don something could hold out for that, but hey, 86 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: he did. As luck would have it, Garvey is back 87 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: in the news today because he is the Republican Senate 88 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: candidate in the state of California against Adam Pencilneck Schiff. 89 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: I just thought that was just thought that was rather interesting. 90 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting, Rebecca writes with regard to 91 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: the Frank Lorenzo interview on Friday, Frank Lorenzo was the 92 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: worst airline CEO ever. I had to turn off your program. 93 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: He destroyed Continental and he was banned from ever running 94 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: any other airline. He hated his employees and his customers. 95 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: He was caught drunk driving with the male prostitute years 96 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: later in Houston. He's a disgusting human being that will 97 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: burn in hell one day. You should ask those who 98 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: worked with him at Continental to find out what his 99 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: real character is like. I didn't have to ask. I 100 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: heard from a number of people, and this is a 101 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: gentle reminder that I don't think some people will ever get. 102 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: Just because I have someone on the show does not 103 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: mean I endorse everything, or for that matter, anything about them. 104 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: Just because we have a book author on doesn't mean 105 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: that I think that the book makes great sense. I 106 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: think that listeners are very sophisticated, and I try to 107 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: expose you to things that I'm interested in. But since 108 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: the subject has arisen, I had heard the name Frank 109 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: Lorenzo for many years. By the time I kind of 110 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: came on the scene in Houston. He was gone from 111 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: his career in the Mayhem. He had caused it Continental Airlines, 112 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: But I'd always heard what a demon he was. And 113 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: so the book came out his attempt to tell his 114 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: side of the story, and I didn't know it was 115 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: still alive. So I said, sure, I'd love to talk 116 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: to him. I'd like to find out what the story 117 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: is about. So in doing my research and asking around 118 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: in things that were written at the time and things 119 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: that were written later, it was pretty clear that he 120 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: had problems with the pilots, pretty clear he had problems 121 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: with employees, pretty clear he had a real image problem 122 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: as not liking human beings. And I started with the 123 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: premise of I'm going to give the guy every chance. 124 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: I will tell you at the end of the interview, 125 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 1: I found him as unlikable as I had been advised. Well, well, well, 126 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: lucky you, the Michael Berry Show continues. Your lucky Dave, 127 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: you not just time early voting in Harris County. You'll 128 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: have to check your county. If it's not Harris County, 129 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: Harris votes dot com, it's a Harris County site. The 130 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: polls open at seven o'clock this morning. They will open 131 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: at seven o'clock through Friday of this week. Next Tuesday 132 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: is election Day. Please vote early. If you show up 133 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: on election day, you're going to have problems. The only 134 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: reason to vote on election day is that you haven't 135 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: voted yet and would rather you vote than than not 136 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: vote at all. It's going to be a deluge of people. 137 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: It's going to be a cluster, it's going to be 138 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: a mess. Vote early shocks me how many people are 139 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: constantly late to everything they do because they leave at 140 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: the time the event starts, and then they rush and 141 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: everybody needs to get out of the way, and everything 142 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: is a problem, and everything is everybody else's problem. Just 143 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: vote early. Seven am to eight pm tonight, seven pm, 144 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: seven am to eight pm tomorrow, and then till nine 145 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: o'clock on Thursday, and till back till seven o'clock on Friday. 146 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: But the polls open at seven a m. Through eight 147 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: days of early voting in Harris County early in person 148 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: voting seven hundred and eighty three thousand, almost seven hundred 149 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: and eighty four thousand mail ballots mailed, seventy nine thousand 150 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: mail ballots returned. Forty six thousand total early votes so 151 00:10:54,000 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: far eight hundred and thirty thousand. Top polling locations Yesterday 152 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 1: Weekly Community Center in Cyprus thirty three hundred votes gasts 153 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: Jurgen's Hall Community Center in Cyprus thirty three hundred votes 154 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: gasts Metropolitan Multi Service Center on West Gray three thousand. 155 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: When your top voting locations just Harris County alone, when 156 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: your top voting locations are in Cyprus. Good things are happening, 157 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: but we have to keep the heat on. Galveston County 158 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: voting hours seven am to seven pm all the way 159 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: through Friday, consistent. Montgomery County the same, seven am to 160 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: seven pm. By the way, if you live in Galveston, 161 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: it's Galveston votes dot org Galveston votes dot org. If 162 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: you need any voting information. If you live in Montgomery County, 163 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: it's a little harder to remember, it's Elections dot Montgomery 164 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: County text dot org. So CTX dot org. You can 165 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: look this stuff up. That is your voting update. Remember 166 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: you can vote anywhere early in the county in which 167 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: you live. You can vote anywhere early in the county 168 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: in which you live. All right, Kim Ogg, the Harris 169 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: County District Attorney, will be our guest here shortly. But 170 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: in the meantime, let me set up this story about 171 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: two hundred teachers in Texas fraudulently obtained their teaching certification. 172 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg announcing yesterday that arrests 173 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: have been made. It was led allegedly by the high 174 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: school basketball coach, Vincent Grayson of Booker T. Washington. The 175 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: assistant principals at Yates High School and Booker T. Washington 176 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: High Schools have also been arrested in charge with two 177 00:12:54,160 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: counts of engaging in organized criminal activity. These people don't 178 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: I don't have a teaching certificate, and yet they paid 179 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: to fraudulently get one. The story clip thirteen. Mister Roebliss 180 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: Ramone's fifteenth wedding anniversary. By the way, so congratulations to 181 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 1: Amy for fifteen years of putting up with Ramone. Clip 182 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: number thirteen. 183 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 5: Khou Vincent Grayson is facing serious charges after investigators say 184 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 5: this longtime basketball coach at Booker T. Washington started a 185 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 5: scheme to help people who could not pass their teachers 186 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 5: Certification exam by letting them pay someone else to take 187 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 5: it for them. 188 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 2: The kingpin and organizer of this scheme. 189 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 5: Here's how the Harrison County District Attorney's Office says his 190 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 5: scheme work. The teachers would pay Grayson about twenty five 191 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 5: hundred dollars. He would allegedly share some of that money 192 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 5: with Tauana Guilford, Mason, and Duran Wilty at the testing 193 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 5: centers so they could turn a blind eye and let 194 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 5: someone else take the test for the teachers investigators. The 195 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 5: person taking and passing the test was Nicholas Newton, an 196 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 5: assistant principal at Booker T. Washington High School. 197 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 6: In fact, when he was caught red handed in February 198 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 6: of twenty twenty four, he was logged into one test, 199 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 6: he said to investigators, will look at the screen behind you, 200 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 6: and he was logged in as a different person taking 201 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 6: another test on another terminal. 202 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 4: That same day. 203 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 5: Also charge Lashonder Roberts, the assistant principal at Yates High School, 204 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 5: for allegedly recruiting teachers for this scheme. Investigators saying twenty 205 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 5: twenty three, the TA became aware of the irregularities and 206 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 5: patterns of these teachers who filled the test. 207 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 6: They then drove sometimes four or more hours to the 208 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 6: Houston area and suddenly they were passing the test with 209 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 6: flying colors. 210 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 5: Meanwhile, HISD said they condemn this behavior. 211 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 7: And say if any teacher currently working at HISDD passed 212 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 7: their tests and through fraudulent means and has a passing 213 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 7: Texas school that was obtained through fraudulent means, their contract 214 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 7: will be terminated. 215 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 5: In the meantime, investigators say two of those teachers with 216 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 5: fraudulent Teachers certificates have been arrested for even more serious crimes. 217 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 2: Least two sexual predators who once falsely certified, had access 218 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: through their employment to underage kids on campus and off. 219 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost as if they're trying to get into 220 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: the schools to diddle the kids, isn't it. Harris County 221 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: Prosecutor Mike Levine, who works for kim Ogg, says this. 222 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 4: Vincent Grayson is the kingpin. 223 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 6: He's made one million, ninety thousand dollars from this scheme 224 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 6: as best we can tell, and it's almost certainly more 225 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 6: than that. Because there's cash as well here, which is 226 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 6: harder to trace. Tawanna Gilford Mason, the testing proctor and 227 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 6: compliance certification officer for Htech, was paid at least one 228 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 6: hundred and twenty five thousand dollars by mister Grayson via 229 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 6: more than three hundred and fifty separate transactions on Zell 230 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 6: and cash up. Nicholas Newton, the proxy taker, was paid 231 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 6: over one hundred and eighty eight thousand dollars from May 232 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 6: of twenty twenty through February of twenty twenty four, and 233 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 6: our best estimates are that he took over four hundred 234 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 6: and thirty certification tests fraudulently impersonating teachers that paid for 235 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 6: those services. As I mentioned, he was caught more or 236 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 6: less red handed, and he gave essentially a full confession. 237 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 6: Lashonda Roberts is charged as a recruiter and referral agent 238 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 6: who knowingly sent business into the scheme. 239 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 4: Records indicate and the evidence leads us to believe. 240 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 6: She sent over ninety teachers into the scheme and she 241 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 6: personally sent over two hundred and sixty seven thousand dollars 242 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 6: to mister Grayson, frequently profiting along the way. And finally, 243 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 6: the main testing center of this took place like you 244 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 6: heard me say, it was called h Tech was shut 245 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 6: down in mid twenty twenty three a suspicious activity mounted. 246 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 4: Rather than ending the scheme, Vincent Grayson went and found a. 247 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 6: New location where they could could continue the scheme. 248 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 4: That's where defendant Darien Willheit comes in. 249 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 6: She was a young procer working at a different testing 250 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 6: center known as Tactics in Houston. She willingly participated and 251 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 6: accepted cash bribes in the amount of approximately two hundred 252 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 6: and fifty dollars each time that she lets somebody sign in, 253 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 6: leave and let someone test in their place. 254 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 4: All five defendants phase two counts of engaging one is 255 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 4: based on money laundering. 256 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 6: Because they've profited over three hundred thousand dollars. 257 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 4: That is a first degree felony. 258 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 6: And the second charge that east defendant faces is also 259 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 6: engaging in organized criminal activity based on tampering with a 260 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 6: government document. That's based on the false statements that are 261 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 6: made when you sit down and test knowing you're not 262 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 6: the person that you say you are. 263 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: Harris County District's Attorney Kim Ogg will be our guest 264 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: coming up. You know what a kingpin is? Do you 265 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: know where that term comes from. In ten pen bowling, 266 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: the five pen, which is a center most pen, It's 267 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: the most important pen. It's Steve King pen Cruse story 268 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: the Michael Barry Show, Simple Man story breaking last night. 269 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: Some two hundred teachers in Texas allegedly fraudulently obtained their 270 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: teaching certification, and the Harris County District Attorney's office has 271 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: uncovered a million dollar cheating ring they say was led 272 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: by Booker T. Washington High School basketball coach Vincent Grayson, 273 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: involving assistant principals at Yale at Yates High School and 274 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: Booker T. Washington High School, and a number of other folks. 275 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: Harris County District Attorney Kim Augus is our guest. Kim. 276 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: My understanding is this came to y'all's attention now, this 277 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: is all public informations him Deiell's attention because an individual 278 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: left coaching or teaching and went into being a police officer. 279 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: Is that right? 280 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: That's my understanding. Up in North Texas, tea got a 281 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 2: tip from a ranger who got a tip from a 282 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 2: police officer, et cetera. But it started with a guilt, 283 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 2: not a guilty content. Let's just say a good content 284 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 2: somebody who knew about the cheating going on among teachers 285 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: and coaches to get certified and who felt like that 286 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:28,719 Speaker 2: needed to stop. 287 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: When we look at the numbers here, they get pretty 288 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: significant because of the pure scale, and that makes me think, 289 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: you know you've got this woman and I know you'll 290 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: charged our Leashonda Roberts, assistant principal at Yates High School. 291 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: And she's kind of a feeder is she sort of 292 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: a commissioned salesman on this? 293 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 2: That's her role in the We wouldn't call it a 294 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: conspiracy because they carried through with this for a long time. 295 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 2: How long were we talking about and since May twenty 296 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 2: is how far our investigation goes back. And so we 297 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 2: know that four hundred tests at a minimum have been 298 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 2: taken at that since that time by at least two 299 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: hundred teachers who've been certified really illegally. 300 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: So when you begin an investigation like this, obviously you've 301 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: got the top guys in it, but how do you 302 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: fan out and start finding because nobody wants to admit 303 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: they cheated. 304 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 2: Amazingly, over twenty different coaches and teachers were interviewed by investigators. 305 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 8: And admitted that they had cheated, admitted who they cheated with, 306 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 8: and so the evidence is strong against these individuals that 307 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 8: were charged because people did tell the truth when confronted 308 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 8: and let me say they were dead to write call 309 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 8: I mean the prompt the proxy as they call them, 310 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 8: or than the impostor as we call him, would sometimes 311 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 8: take two tests at a time because. 312 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 2: A proctor who's supposed to keep the testing fair and 313 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 2: observe the participants and make sure they are who they 314 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: say they are, she was on the take, and so 315 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: he was able to take more than one test at 316 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 2: a time. He didn't notice irregularities. Who gives these tests, 317 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 2: to their credit noticed the irregularities and started looking at it. 318 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 2: So we got help from all sides. And the defendants 319 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 2: themselves you would think are just really a shameful, shameful 320 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 2: crime given their positions. It's understanding that several of them 321 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 2: have also admitted. I can't say which ones, but I 322 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 2: think we're going to see this could be replicated in 323 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: other places. I know that one of the parties is 324 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 2: now in Ohio and she's partners with another individual that 325 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: was involved in running the testing center down here, and 326 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 2: so it could be going on in other states. As 327 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 2: we speak, we're just trying to clean up Texas and 328 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 2: Harris County. 329 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: I noticed and you alluded to her earlier. The allegation 330 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: is in the woman who's been charged to Wanna Gilford 331 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: Mason fifty one, the former director and the certifying official 332 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: at the Houston Training and Education Center. So you got 333 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: the top person at the Training and Education Center alleged 334 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: to be as part of this. I mean, that's that's 335 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: pretty rotten. 336 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: Now, it's all rotten. This is such a betrayal of 337 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: school children. And these are individuals, especially those who are 338 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 2: locally placed in the schools, in positions of authority and respect, 339 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: the assistant principal, the coach. I'm you know, I think 340 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: that Houstonians have a right to be more than disappointed 341 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 2: in these They betrayed our kids. They presented, they presented 342 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 2: one image to the kids while making thousands of dollars 343 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 2: putting unqualified teachers into classrooms. 344 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: We expect fairness, We expect a system that preserves the rules, 345 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: and it's disturbing when it doesn't. We turn from the 346 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: school system where we expect the teachers who were there 347 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: to have passed the test to election integrity and we're 348 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: in the middle of that. I couldn't help but notice 349 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: a press release that came out a few days ago 350 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: that had the Election Security task Force, and it had 351 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: every local law enforcement official except Harris County's district attorney. 352 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that that was an oversight to keep 353 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: you off of there. 354 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: No, that was an intentional act. It started in the primary. 355 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 2: Tanisha Hudsbeth, our district our county clerk, informed me that 356 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 2: we would not be on the task force. She wasn't 357 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 2: going to be able to pay our people to be 358 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: at the command center like they were every other law 359 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: enforcement employee who has to work over time. And so 360 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 2: because we're under the same labor laws that the rest 361 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: of the county is, we would need to pay our 362 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 2: folks over time to be out there. This is not 363 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: a money issue. This was a specific exclusion. I think 364 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: it's clear that the county leaders do not want anybody 365 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:34,479 Speaker 2: who's working anti corruption cases anywhere near this election. And 366 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 2: so I look forward to the public's comments and tips 367 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 2: about what's happening at our polls, because everyone on both sides, 368 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 2: everyone that I talk to, is concerned about the integrity 369 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 2: of this election. 370 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: And what is that process if someone sees something untoward, 371 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: is that to go to the Harris County District Attorney's 372 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: office if it's in Harris County? Is there a tip line? 373 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 2: Is there a person they've got it? 374 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 8: Well? 375 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: It certainly if you complain to the Election Security Task Force, 376 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: that's the right place to go. We've got a DA 377 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 2: Info email that you can certainly send information through, and 378 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 2: we've got our switchboard and law enforcement is who would 379 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: have to who will some first responder will have to 380 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 2: actually go out and make a report, and we can 381 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: contact whoever's got the jurisdiction at the poll where the 382 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: problem is. But I'd say contact the Election Security Task 383 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 2: Force and our office. 384 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: Peris County District Jurney kim Oh, can you hold with 385 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: us for one more segment? 386 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: Certainly Michael taking our call. 387 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: In short notice, I appreciate it. And Michael Barry in 388 00:25:53,800 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: the Paris County District Attorney him is our guest. After 389 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: the big news broke her office revealing an investigation and 390 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: now charges against teachers, assistant principles, the head of the 391 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: testing center, ahead basketball coach that were falsely certifying school teachers. Wow. 392 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: Disturbing to say the least, this has been an interesting 393 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: election cycle. Robert F. Kennedy Junior coming out endorsing Donald 394 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: Trump for president. Tulsey Gabbard, the former vice president of 395 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: the National Democratic Party, Barbara Bush, George W. Bush's daughter 396 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: and obviously Barbara Bush's granddaughter, seen in photos yesterday campaigning 397 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: for Kamala Harris. It seems to be a realignment for 398 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people based on a number of different things, 399 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: and one of the big news items of this Sitelechael 400 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 1: is Harris County Democrat District Attorney Kim Ogg endorsing publicly 401 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: appearing in campaign ads for Republican Senator Ted Cruz. I'm 402 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: curious to know your friendships go back. Your father was 403 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: in politics sixty years ago. I'm curious to know what 404 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: has been the range of responses you have received from 405 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: the very high profile endorsement Kim Ogg. 406 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 2: Michael, It's been very positive because my message is positive, 407 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 2: crime is nonpartisan. Ted Cruz reached across the aisle when 408 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: Joscelyn Nungera was murdered by two Venezuelan nationals that ICE 409 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 2: had captured but had to release under the policies of 410 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: this administration. Nationally that's just wrong. They released two predators 411 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 2: right into our backyard and they murdered a little girl. 412 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 2: And what Senator Cruise and I shared as we've gotten 413 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 2: to know each other is that we both worked on 414 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 2: the peena Ertmann murders back in nineteen ninety two, when 415 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 2: two young girls were murdered by a gang. They were 416 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 2: brutally raped and murdered along White Oak, Bio in a 417 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 2: neighborhood two miles from me, and I knew their parents. 418 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 2: I still know their parents that are living These cases 419 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 2: never leave you. One of the murderers in that case 420 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 2: was a Mexican national also here Legally, the state of 421 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 2: the border is ridiculous. It's absurd, and it's affecting crime. 422 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 2: And I supported Ted Cruz loudly because he's trying to 423 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 2: do something about it. He's followed legislation, and Americans are 424 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 2: really tired of hearing why Democrats and Republicans won't work together. 425 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 2: So I just took that sentiment that I'm hearing all 426 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: over and I accepted the request to work with him 427 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 2: on this. He's one of a one hundred senators in 428 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 2: the country. Why wouldn't we want to work together with 429 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 2: him to make the borders at least safer. If you're 430 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 2: not going to close them, at least keep the people 431 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 2: you catch in custody until you can determine their true identities. 432 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 2: These Venezuelans coming across the border, we have no way 433 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 2: of checking their background because the Venezuela and American governments 434 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 2: are aren't talking. And so to release illegal people who 435 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 2: are committing a crime by coming into the country just 436 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: right into Houston and other cities all across Texas and 437 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: now pushing forward into the rest of the country, I 438 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 2: think we have to do something about that, and that 439 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 2: it's a non partisan issue. I do not see law 440 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: as a partisan issue. And it's illegal to come into 441 00:29:54,800 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 2: the country without the immigration channels that we have. They 442 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 2: may stink and they need to be reformed, I'm sure, 443 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 2: but this can only be done by working together. So 444 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 2: the middle of America, the eighty percent that isn't represented 445 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 2: by the extremes of both parties, I think, really needs 446 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 2: their problems fixed. So that's why I supported Ted Cruz. 447 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: I believe he's doing that, and I'll support that by anybody. 448 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 2: The Democrats and their candidate did not reach out to me, 449 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 2: and so I'm the top law enforcement official. You asked 450 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 2: me if immigration is affecting crime, and I tell you 451 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 2: the truth. Yes. 452 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: There is also the two eighty seven g issue, and 453 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: Ed Gonzalez, the current sheriff, is widely criticized for his 454 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: role in that and the hold that ICE puts on 455 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: folks and whether or not he is cooperating. Mike Knox, 456 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: who's a Republican challenger not to drag you into another race, 457 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: has made a big issue of that. You have thoughts 458 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: on Harris County's and Ed Gonzalez's role in that, and 459 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: whether ICE should be detaining and deporting these folks. We're 460 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: talking about violent criminals here. 461 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 2: I think that falls entirely into Ed's lane, and I 462 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 2: try and stay out of other public officials lanes. I 463 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 2: would tell you that we need to follow the law, 464 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 2: and if it requires folks who are here illegally and 465 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 2: who are in custody to be identified by ICE so 466 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 2: that they can be deported, then we should be following 467 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 2: that law. I don't know the specifics of Sheriff Gonzalez's 468 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 2: policies or his practices, but I know that I'm seeing 469 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 2: bad things happen in courts where folks who are from 470 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 2: other countries and get some kind of probation, are being 471 00:31:54,600 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 2: terminated early by some of our judges. We're seeing we're 472 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 2: seeing things happen with prisoners being brought here. For example, 473 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 2: there's a hearing this morning because one of our judges 474 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 2: issued an order that brought a man off death row 475 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 2: and into a medical clinic here some testing, and it 476 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 2: was done outside the presence of the knowledge of the 477 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 2: prosecutors or anything. So why we're seeing this advanced by 478 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 2: some in the judiciary to go outside or around the law, 479 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 2: whether it's immigration or whether it's being against the death penalty. 480 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 2: I think rule of law is going to have to 481 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 2: be established and maintained in our court system. And it 482 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 2: starts with the immigration laws again, and then we're back 483 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 2: to voting integrity. Right, it ends at at the election code. 484 00:32:54,800 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 2: So judges following the law, sheriffs following the law. DA's 485 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 2: following the law. You know, it's led to legislation that 486 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 2: says we're supposed to do our job. People ask me 487 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 2: if the Rogue Prosecutor Bill affected me, Well, it was 488 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 2: used politically against me, But you know it's our oath 489 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 2: to follow the law. So I need to have access 490 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,959 Speaker 2: to people in custody to determine if they're deportable. I 491 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 2: just don't know what the sheriff, what his particular policies are, 492 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,239 Speaker 2: but you should invite him on and ask him. 493 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: Harris County District Attorney Kim On, can you hold with 494 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: us for one more? 495 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 2: Absolutely? All right? 496 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: The contract was for two segments. I don't know if 497 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: y'all have over time. I don't know what the Union 498 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: of Media Guests demands on that, but hang with us, 499 00:33:43,560 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: Harris County District Attorney. Him is our guest.