WEBVTT - NFL Week 5 Best Bets with PFF's Ben Brown (Ep 215)

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<v Speaker 1>Hello everyone, and welcome on into the Betting Pros Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Thomas Boyola, and it is time for

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<v Speaker 1>Week five of the NFL season. So we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the slate picking out our favorite games today,

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<v Speaker 1>and to help us do that, of course, as always,

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<v Speaker 1>the Oracle himself, Matt Friedman joins us, and today we

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<v Speaker 1>are joined by a very special guest. Ben Brown, head

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<v Speaker 1>of predictive Analysis at PFF, joins the show. Ben, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for coming on today. How are you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing well, guys. You know I enjoy you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Betting Pros Content podcast. I definitely appreciate you guys

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<v Speaker 2>having me on to chat up a little sports.

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<v Speaker 3>Betting in action for week five. So appreciate you guys

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<v Speaker 3>having me have here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited. We're gonna have plenty of games to get

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<v Speaker 1>to here. We're gonna have some interesting disagreements, some interesting agreements,

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<v Speaker 1>and some good takes. But first I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you a little bit about what it is that

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<v Speaker 1>you do. What is the day in the life of

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<v Speaker 1>someone running predictive analysis here, especially for a group like PFF.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is uh. I would say every single day

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<v Speaker 2>is different of course, we have you know, off season

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<v Speaker 2>and in season I do think probably changes you know,

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<v Speaker 2>dramatically for you guys as well. But a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>like our research type projects tools that we're trying to build,

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<v Speaker 2>everything else kind of happens in the off season and

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<v Speaker 2>then we basically you know, kind of try and keep

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<v Speaker 2>the lights on. So like every Monday morning, I'll wake up.

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<v Speaker 2>We have like this what we call like a metrics

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<v Speaker 2>metrics package, which essentially takes all of PFF data and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of MUSHes it together and does a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>our output top down models that we kind of use

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<v Speaker 2>in a lot of our prediction based models, so things

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<v Speaker 2>like you know PFF Green Line, NCA green Line or

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<v Speaker 2>player Props tool. We all we train all those models

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<v Speaker 2>on the on the latest data every single week and

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<v Speaker 2>then kind of have you know, a prediction basis for

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<v Speaker 2>when you know, bets and player props and all these

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<v Speaker 2>other sorts of things kind of come in. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in season is much more a reaction. I do,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, write some content as well, do do podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Then the off season is honestly the time that I

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy and it's when we get to kind of you know, innovate,

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<v Speaker 2>look at new you know, product offerings and those sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of things, see what the market is, you know, directly

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<v Speaker 2>moving like to actually try and make and improve our

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<v Speaker 2>processes and our predictions. So I like that we have

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<v Speaker 2>come up with this sort of like play by play

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<v Speaker 2>simulation that we are don't fully have one percent out

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<v Speaker 2>there for public facing folks, but I am doing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of like accuracy type metrics on that through the

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<v Speaker 2>first four weeks of the season at least, seeing like

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<v Speaker 2>how close we are to betting market expectation, how close

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<v Speaker 2>we are to results, and how well we're actually performing

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<v Speaker 2>in some back testing characteristics for that particular model that

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<v Speaker 2>we're kind of trying to bring to the public. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's it's changing every single day. It's very

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<v Speaker 2>fast paced. But I, you know, I enjoy it and

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. I you know, obviously love to be,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, involved in the sportspinning community. I do think

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<v Speaker 2>that it's, you know, exactly where I do and want

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<v Speaker 2>to be and belong. So yeah, it's it's it's fun,

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<v Speaker 2>that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, we certainly do know that there are so many

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<v Speaker 1>practical applications for sports betters who want to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to use PFF data when it comes to building their

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<v Speaker 1>own models out. And there was that whole Twitter kerfuffle

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<v Speaker 1>a week or so ago where with the accusation I

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember who it was, there was many, but someone

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how agents will pay for PFF grades. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to talk about that because obviously its BS.

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<v Speaker 1>What I want to talk to you about with it

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<v Speaker 1>is the fact that teams do pay for PFF information

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<v Speaker 1>and data. What can you tell us anything about some

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<v Speaker 1>of the ways that NFL teams are using what you

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<v Speaker 1>guys do and using these models in their evaluation of players.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, I mean I'm totally fine speaking to it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was Jason Kelly Kelsey and the Travis Kelsey podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>It was something to do with you know, agents, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>paying PFF in order to kind of boost the guys

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<v Speaker 2>guys great, and you know, it's obviously like that's just

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<v Speaker 2>not how the process would ever work or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>But we do have kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of separate business units now, so I am very much

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<v Speaker 2>on the consumer side of PFF, you know, the public bacing,

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<v Speaker 2>front facing, the website and everything else. And then we

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<v Speaker 2>have a soccer vertical as well, where we're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>trying to do some of these advanced stats data gathering,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the play by play type data for clubs,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically in like the Premier League Premier League, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Also the MLS.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we have like this B to B side

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<v Speaker 2>of PFF and they are very much focused on, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>helping NFL teams make correct decisions and basically every facet

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<v Speaker 2>that we can possibly think of. So we have you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a product called Ultimate, which you know is like a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of behind the scenes way of querying and looking

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<v Speaker 2>up various PFF type stats. And then we also have

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<v Speaker 2>what's called this like iq IQ component of it, which

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<v Speaker 2>is specific to teams that does a lot of things

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<v Speaker 2>with our PFF war metric and kind of trying to understand,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what is the what is the best way

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<v Speaker 2>for teams to allocate their salary dollars correctly to what positions,

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<v Speaker 2>what guys can kind of, you know, maybe take on

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<v Speaker 2>similar approaches from a team building perspective. If they do

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<v Speaker 2>lose one guy in free agency, maybe who would be

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<v Speaker 2>somebody that can at least fill that role? What should

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<v Speaker 2>his and what should his actual cost be? So we

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<v Speaker 2>do have you know, I think at least some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of contract with all thirty two NFL teams. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the value I think we provide now is especially

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<v Speaker 2>at the college football level with teams specifically they just

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<v Speaker 2>don't you know, at the NCAA level, they just don't

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<v Speaker 2>have I would say, in some of the ways the

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<v Speaker 2>resources or there's just probably not enough data science type

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<v Speaker 2>people to really build out, you know, the analytics components

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<v Speaker 2>for every single NCAA team. So I think we get

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a lot of those teams that maybe then

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<v Speaker 2>don't really need to have a really strong analytics staff

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<v Speaker 2>or multiple staff people. They can just go in use

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the PFF ultimate information use the iqmation kind

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<v Speaker 2>of try and look at some similarities between players for

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<v Speaker 2>things that they you know, have available and like the

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<v Speaker 2>transfer portal and everything else. And that is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, definitely probably I don't know if it's the

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<v Speaker 2>bigger revenue driver for PFF, but it's definitely the spot

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<v Speaker 2>where you know, that was kind of where we first

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<v Speaker 2>started off as far as a focus, and it is

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<v Speaker 2>very much the focus of you know that specific B

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<v Speaker 2>to B side still which I have I have no

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<v Speaker 2>real a part in whatsoever. I actually haven't really doing

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<v Speaker 2>my entire time at PFF, but it definitely is like

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting component of you know, the overall structure in

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<v Speaker 2>which we work.

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<v Speaker 4>Under Ben you mentioned earlier PFF green Line and you

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<v Speaker 4>know we're going to talk about some of these week

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<v Speaker 4>five games and and just a little bit. But my

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<v Speaker 4>question is, when PFF green Line is wrong, is it

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<v Speaker 4>your fault? Is it George to Herr, I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 4>figure out who to blame. Kevin Cole, I'm sure could

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<v Speaker 4>take some of the blame too, But what goes into

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<v Speaker 4>to some of the projections that that you guys come

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<v Speaker 4>up with four games?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely, And it is a great question.

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<v Speaker 2>I think at this time I would unfortunately be the

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<v Speaker 2>most responsible for every uh, every output that Greenline has,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know it's it's I and I know you

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<v Speaker 2>know you guys both face this as well, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is I would say, like I bet, you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>certain amount of dollars on every single you know, every

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<v Speaker 2>single bet that I make throughout the week. I care

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<v Speaker 2>so much more about like our model predictions and my

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<v Speaker 2>front facing content to do well more so than any

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<v Speaker 2>dollar amount that I bet on the on the actual

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<v Speaker 2>games because like it's more so like you're I don't,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's exactly word.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm kind of losing it. But it's like it's very

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<v Speaker 3>much like who you are in a way, are your

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<v Speaker 3>fix and it's it's and it's it's kind of tough

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<v Speaker 3>to separate.

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<v Speaker 2>But going back to the initial question, like we very

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<v Speaker 2>much have you know, PFF focused uh play by play

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<v Speaker 2>type grades folded in? I know, we you know this

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<v Speaker 2>is probably another you know, sensitive area that PFF has

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<v Speaker 2>dealt with this year, but like you know, specifically our

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<v Speaker 2>zero to one hundred grades and how we kind of

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<v Speaker 2>transform that play by play data to this zero to

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred scale every single week can can occasionally be

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<v Speaker 2>you know a little bit often like you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>public perception or whatever. But we take certain ways of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, trans adjusting for like context, adjusting for opponent

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<v Speaker 2>strength and everything else, and we arrive at kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a unique view of every single facet that an NFL

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<v Speaker 2>team has. We fold that in. We fold in various

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<v Speaker 2>like rest we rest considerations, some overall team strength type

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<v Speaker 2>metrics as well, and then you know a few other

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<v Speaker 2>factors coaching sort of situations, how well that coach has

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<v Speaker 2>been performing previously. We do a fold in you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some continuity aspects as far as you know, is is

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<v Speaker 2>it a new head coach, is it a new offensive coordinator?

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<v Speaker 2>What is the offensive line situation like? And all those things.

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<v Speaker 2>So we kind of trying and take that all together

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<v Speaker 2>and then you know, essentially do a prediction for how

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<v Speaker 2>well that's going to perform against you know, the spread

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<v Speaker 2>total and money on that, and we do you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do a little bit of regression to the market

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<v Speaker 2>once we actually have those numbers, uh, just to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, align everything together. But that's that's our

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<v Speaker 2>current approach from a greenline perspective, is kind of taking

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, top down method, uh and applying a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the things that we think are at least

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<v Speaker 2>valuable and are helpful and kind of like predicting where

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<v Speaker 2>the spread should actually be. So that's that's generally the

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<v Speaker 2>approach we haven't you know, it's been it's been okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we do better at a college level for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but that is you know, one of the reasons why

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<v Speaker 2>we are continuing to try to develop new products that

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be you know, more successful at predicting

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<v Speaker 2>just how these games are actually going to play out.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, guys, let's head on into some of the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>games and actually predict how some of them we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to play out for this weekend. And before we do that,

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<v Speaker 3>Here?

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<v Speaker 1>And that is the Washington Commanders getting two and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>Although really now our friends at betmgm have this game

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<v Speaker 1>down to one and a half. You can still find

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<v Speaker 1>it two and a half somewhere if you like the

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<v Speaker 1>Commander's side of this. But the Titans on the road

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<v Speaker 1>here laying one and a half points right now, what

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<v Speaker 1>are you thinking in this one? Matt?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a disgusting game. I first bet this at

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<v Speaker 4>plus three. Shout out me. With the sweet closing line

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<v Speaker 4>value of Titans are winning now yeah, no, I know,

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<v Speaker 4>I know guarantee that they were winning anyway. This is

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<v Speaker 4>this is such a disgusting bet to make, but you

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<v Speaker 4>know I do have this, you know, just based on

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<v Speaker 4>my numbers, I do have this at point twenty five,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. And so for the for the Commanders to

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<v Speaker 4>be getting two and a half, you can still get

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<v Speaker 4>the two and a half a fan duel one and

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<v Speaker 4>a half everywhere else, you know, for them still to

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<v Speaker 4>be getting that, I think there's value there. And you know,

0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:10.960
<v Speaker 4>if you look at some of the trends, Mike Rabel

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<v Speaker 4>as a head coach fifteen twenty one and one against

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<v Speaker 4>the spread as a favorite, nine and fourteen against the

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<v Speaker 4>spread following multiple wins in a row, and the Commanders,

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<v Speaker 4>I think they are in a generally good spot, and

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<v Speaker 4>that home underdogs are eighty two forty seven and seven

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<v Speaker 4>against the spread off of a three game losing streak,

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<v Speaker 4>and the teams that happen to go one in three

0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:35.680
<v Speaker 4>to open the year who are home underdogs in Week five,

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<v Speaker 4>they are sixteen ten and one against the spread. But

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<v Speaker 4>you know, looking at kind of the the big picture matchups,

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<v Speaker 4>for this game, I think it comes down to the

0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:48.000
<v Speaker 4>Commander's defensive line against the Titans offensive line. And even

0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.920
<v Speaker 4>though the Commanders haven't had edge, Chase Young, who I think,

0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.120
<v Speaker 4>you know, even with the injuries, will still end up

0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.320
<v Speaker 4>being a very good addition to this team when he

0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.600
<v Speaker 4>comes back. The Commander's defense is open the season. They're

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<v Speaker 4>number nine and adjusted sack and they are top eight

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<v Speaker 4>in every key rushing efficiency metric rush, EPA, rush success rate,

0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.040
<v Speaker 4>rush DVOA, adjusted lineyards their top eight and all of them.

0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.440
<v Speaker 4>And you compare that to the Titans offense, which is

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<v Speaker 4>not even average an adjusted sack rate or any rushing

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<v Speaker 4>efficiency metric. And in the Fantasy pros Unit power rankings,

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<v Speaker 4>we see the Commander's defensive line as having a significant

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<v Speaker 4>edge over the Titans offensive line. We have this defensive

0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:28.880
<v Speaker 4>line at number fourteen. That feels, honestly, I think that's

0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.079
<v Speaker 4>a little bit low, but I think that that's fine,

0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.840
<v Speaker 4>Like that's within the range. We have the Titans offensive

0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.360
<v Speaker 4>line at number twenty seven, you know, like they are

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<v Speaker 4>dealing with significant injuries, and you know, for the uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I just I think for the Titans, you

0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.880
<v Speaker 4>could have Ryan Tannehill under pressure for a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>the game, Derrick Henry, I think you could struggle to

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<v Speaker 4>find open running lanes just because of the inefficiency of

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<v Speaker 4>that offensive line. So and in the preseason market, this

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<v Speaker 4>was Commanders favored by half a point, and my actually

0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.200
<v Speaker 4>is still pretty close to that. I don't think they

0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:04.160
<v Speaker 4>should be favored, but I don't think they should be

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<v Speaker 4>close to a field goal in terms of being an

0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.240
<v Speaker 4>underdog here. So I do see value on this, even

0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.080
<v Speaker 4>though like it's a disgusting bet. I freely admit that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, that's your favorite kind of game, is

0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.400
<v Speaker 1>the what like a disgusting kind of game, So of

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<v Speaker 1>course this is what you're thinking. Ben. Are you with

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<v Speaker 1>Matt or are you in some disagreement here?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm a lot more convinced of the of

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<v Speaker 2>Washington's side now that I listen to Matt, But I

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<v Speaker 2>have been painfully betting Washington the past two weeks, kind

0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:38.480
<v Speaker 2>of after their Week one impressive performance, and I promise

0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.160
<v Speaker 2>myself this was at least one spot where I could

0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.320
<v Speaker 2>knock get on Washington's side. I mean, I definitely agree

0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.240
<v Speaker 2>with Matt. We from PFI's perspective, we have tennesseee with

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<v Speaker 2>like the twenty ninth best pass blocking grade to start

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<v Speaker 2>this season. Washington's like eighth overall in our pressure rate

0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:56.959
<v Speaker 2>percentage per dropback, So that specific matchup is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be kind of deciding the game, now, my, my. The

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<v Speaker 2>other side of the coin that I kind of see

0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:06.559
<v Speaker 2>is Tennessee has been really good from an EPA perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>When they've had scripted plays kind of to start the game,

0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.400
<v Speaker 2>They've got off to really good starting points. So I

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<v Speaker 2>do expect them to potentially be playing from ahead here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hoping for, you know, an early touchdown type situation,

0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.080
<v Speaker 2>and if that happens, I do think they could ride

0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Derek Henry to the point where they are going to

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<v Speaker 2>get this victory and maybe cover the spread. But I'm

0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.760
<v Speaker 2>with Matt, I think, you know, the plus three for

0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Washington was definitely the correct part price. I do think

0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:34.360
<v Speaker 2>moving underfield goal differential, I probably still lean at Tennessee side.

0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.160
<v Speaker 2>I would like to see, you know, the injury situation

0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.840
<v Speaker 2>with Washington wide receivers. I think John Dottson is probably

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<v Speaker 2>on the wrong side of questionable right now. It sounds

0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.200
<v Speaker 2>like Kurtis Seam is probably going to be on the

0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.040
<v Speaker 2>right side of questionable. So I do think if you

0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:48.880
<v Speaker 2>know one of them is able to go, that obviously

0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:50.680
<v Speaker 2>helps a little bit. But if both those guys are out,

0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.080
<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to be you know, it could

0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.640
<v Speaker 2>be a pretty convincing win for Tennessee. So I'm either

0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.600
<v Speaker 2>avoiding it or riding with Tennessee on this one. So

0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:00.720
<v Speaker 2>this will be the only time I go opposite matth

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<v Speaker 2>though I promise.

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<v Speaker 1>You goes above three and a half, I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I'm not looking to lay Tennessee three and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>But now that it's down to one and a half,

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<v Speaker 1>and if I can continue to drop here, obviously we've

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<v Speaker 1>already hit past that, we've already crossed the three, we're

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<v Speaker 1>good for me. As Kelly Stewart said on the show,

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<v Speaker 1>quoting Todd Furman a few weeks ago, you don't get

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<v Speaker 1>rich laying points on the road. But I think I

0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:25.720
<v Speaker 1>have to lay one and a half here. I mean,

0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:29.200
<v Speaker 1>the massive Peabody ratings have Tennessee a full six points

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<v Speaker 1>better than Washington here ninth versus twenty ninth in their

0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.680
<v Speaker 1>ratings for the season. I think this is just a

0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:40.080
<v Speaker 1>case of good football, bad football. And Carson Wentz and

0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:44.560
<v Speaker 1>calculated risk. Taker Ron are still bad football, and I

0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.400
<v Speaker 1>think the Titans can at least you at least have

0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Derrick Henry, but you also just have a better team overall.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have much faith in the Commanders at this

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<v Speaker 1>point in the season. One and a half is the

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<v Speaker 1>right price for me to take the Titans here, guys.

0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.360
<v Speaker 1>But the next game up, this one is probably my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite game of the week. Here the Jets are taking

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<v Speaker 1>on the Dolphins and Teddy Bridgewater filling in for Tua

0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Tagovailoa at quarterback.

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<v Speaker 3>Here.

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<v Speaker 1>The Jets, of course, coming off the win over Kenny

0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Pickett and the Steelers last week. They go home now

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel like this is the second time in

0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:21.520
<v Speaker 1>a row that we've seen this now where the Jets

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<v Speaker 1>get a good win, good win on the road at

0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the last minute. Now they come home and the Dolphins

0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.840
<v Speaker 1>with Teddy b are laying three to three and a

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<v Speaker 1>half depending on where you look at. MGM has it

0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:36.320
<v Speaker 1>at three right now, especially now that I don't have

0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.000
<v Speaker 1>to pay the hook on it. Give me the Dolphins

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<v Speaker 1>all the way here. I'm a Jets fan. This is

0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.840
<v Speaker 1>a Jets disappointment spot. Always bet against two good things

0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:45.800
<v Speaker 1>happening to the Jets in a row. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>think in this one, Ben.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm definitely with you on that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, Teddy's been a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a cover machine, I would say, throughout his entire career,

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<v Speaker 2>so I love backing him.

0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:56.840
<v Speaker 3>You know, especially you know, on the road.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that it's not going to be as

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<v Speaker 2>bad of a drop off from what the betting markets

0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.680
<v Speaker 2>currently projected going from to Teddy Bridgewater at quarterback. I

0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.480
<v Speaker 2>think a lot of the early season success that Tua

0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.480
<v Speaker 2>saw was kind of because you know, Mike McDaniel was

0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:12.240
<v Speaker 2>definitely pushing a lot of the right buttons.

0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.200
<v Speaker 3>I do think, you know, with with with with.

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<v Speaker 2>The ten days of preparation, Teddy is going to be

0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:19.880
<v Speaker 2>in a very similar spot to that. The preseason number,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say, was at like, uh, you know,

0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:23.680
<v Speaker 2>plus three and a half, which is basically where we're

0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:25.200
<v Speaker 2>at now. I think if you were on the look

0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.080
<v Speaker 2>aheadline last week, that was all we up to minus

0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:27.640
<v Speaker 2>six and a half.

0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:29.960
<v Speaker 3>So I do think, you know, moving from six and a.

0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Half back all the way down to where we were

0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:36.160
<v Speaker 2>at in the preseason is a pretty drastic, uh, pretty

0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:40.240
<v Speaker 2>drastic over over over emphasizing of, you know, both the

0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:41.480
<v Speaker 2>tu injury.

0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.160
<v Speaker 3>And what the New York Jets put forth last week.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm with you.

0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:47.320
<v Speaker 2>I think you know, anytime you can bet the second

0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.040
<v Speaker 2>time for you know, the Jets to potentially fumble the

0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:50.880
<v Speaker 2>bag a little bit there.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you mentioned, I do think it is probably the

0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.120
<v Speaker 3>correct bet. So I'm on, I'm on, I'm on.

0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.600
<v Speaker 2>Miami here, and if I can get minus three, all

0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:59.520
<v Speaker 2>the better, I would say, for sure. I do.

0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Also, the over in this one forty six points feels

0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.000
<v Speaker 1>a little low to maybe, as the Jets with Zach

0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Wilson can actually kind of move the football. He his

0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:10.679
<v Speaker 1>mobility disguises the fact that this offensive line is about

0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.919
<v Speaker 1>one injury away from calling me up and asking me

0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.520
<v Speaker 1>to play left tackle. Matt, what do you think here?

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<v Speaker 4>I would I would like to So I'll say I

0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:24.600
<v Speaker 4>have this exactly at three, But I will say I

0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.879
<v Speaker 4>know that what's going into my numbers here might be

0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:32.399
<v Speaker 4>wrong in that my assumption, and this is where I

0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:35.639
<v Speaker 4>could be very wrong. My assumption is that Tua is

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<v Speaker 4>one and a half points better than Teddy Bridgewater. But

0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:42.879
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if I actually believe that. Like I

0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.480
<v Speaker 4>and that's not to take anything away from Tua, who's

0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.880
<v Speaker 4>looked really good this year, but you know, he's had

0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:51.320
<v Speaker 4>the weapons around him. I think Mike McDaniel has used

0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.960
<v Speaker 4>him in a really intelligent way. And too, Bin's point

0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.760
<v Speaker 4>with the Dolphins coming off of Thursday Night football, they

0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.160
<v Speaker 4>have extra time, and you know they've known this whole

0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.159
<v Speaker 4>time that Bridgewater was going to be the starter, and

0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:06.600
<v Speaker 4>so what they have done for Tua, I think they

0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:10.280
<v Speaker 4>can kind of adapt for Teddy, and so I feel

0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:15.160
<v Speaker 4>I am probably discounting too much with the drop from

0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.240
<v Speaker 4>from Tua to Teddy. But Ben, I'm wondering if you

0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.520
<v Speaker 4>can talk a little bit more about how you how

0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.760
<v Speaker 4>you see that gap, exactly what you think that gap

0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:24.280
<v Speaker 4>might be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a good question because I do think it

0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.520
<v Speaker 2>very much depends on where you have to a rated

0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.280
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. And I think you know, from our perspective,

0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.240
<v Speaker 2>we have them right around, you know, three three points

0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.119
<v Speaker 2>basically if you were kind of looking at like a

0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:42.640
<v Speaker 2>spread differential drop off. But I also think Teddy Bridgewar

0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.760
<v Speaker 2>is probably the best backup quarterback in the NFL. If

0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.679
<v Speaker 2>he's not, he's really close to it. Has been successful

0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:52.359
<v Speaker 2>kind of stepping into that role in previous situations, So

0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:56.320
<v Speaker 2>I really, you know, uh, put it more closer to like,

0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:58.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, a point and a half differential between those

0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:00.480
<v Speaker 2>two guys. I think that is basically what you but

0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:05.080
<v Speaker 2>moving between or you know, dropping two three, I think,

0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:08.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, has a much higher probability of even landing

0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:10.040
<v Speaker 2>on that out come. I do think it's worth you know,

0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:12.760
<v Speaker 2>a lot more than you know, just saying like it's

0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:14.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's a point and a half differential between

0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:16.720
<v Speaker 2>these two teams, So I think are between these two quarterbacks.

0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:20.320
<v Speaker 2>So I think, you know, getting down to three is

0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:23.439
<v Speaker 2>more than enough to kind of say Teddy can definitely

0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:25.520
<v Speaker 2>handle this in this particular spot, I would say.

0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Take the Dolphins here. Just just trust me on this.

0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:31.520
<v Speaker 1>I've seen this movie way too many times. Take the Dolphins.

0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:34.720
<v Speaker 1>That's my favorite player of the week. Matt. You're going

0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:38.840
<v Speaker 1>with one that There are so many different things that

0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking about in this game here, So I'm eager

0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:44.720
<v Speaker 1>to hear your thoughts on Detroit versus New England. Is

0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:48.040
<v Speaker 1>it gonna be Zappy hour again here? This Detroit defense

0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:52.240
<v Speaker 1>is bad, but they are getting three points here in

0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:55.520
<v Speaker 1>this spot. This line's still yep. Three, three and a

0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:58.199
<v Speaker 1>half depending on where you look at MGMs three and

0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:01.160
<v Speaker 1>a half? Are you going with Detroit in this one?

0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Are are you going with the Patriots and their quarterback

0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:05.080
<v Speaker 1>that yet to be named here?

0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:09.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm going with Detroit. And I mean three and

0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:13.159
<v Speaker 4>a half feels like such a great number to be

0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:16.520
<v Speaker 4>able to get in this spot. You know, Dan Campbell

0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:20.360
<v Speaker 4>just perpetual underdog fourteen and six against the spread as

0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:24.879
<v Speaker 4>an underdog and road dogs off a loss since twenty eighteen.

0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:28.000
<v Speaker 4>And I'll just say the reason why I'm picking twenty

0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:31.880
<v Speaker 4>and eighteen is because that's when PASPA was pulled back.

0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:33.960
<v Speaker 4>So I feel like that's when you started seeing just

0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:37.440
<v Speaker 4>more more dumb money, for lack of a better way

0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.399
<v Speaker 4>of putting it, entering the sports betting market. So, like,

0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:43.880
<v Speaker 4>what is the squarest thing that someone could do. They

0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:47.959
<v Speaker 4>could bet, They could bet on someone at home, they

0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:50.960
<v Speaker 4>could bet on a favorite, and like they could bet

0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:54.000
<v Speaker 4>against a team that was coming off of a loss.

0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:56.560
<v Speaker 4>So if you look at road underdogs off of a loss,

0:21:56.800 --> 0:22:01.879
<v Speaker 4>they're one seventy nine ten against this bread since twenty eighteen,

0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:04.439
<v Speaker 4>and so like that's like that's a pretty large sample.

0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:07.080
<v Speaker 4>And so that's something going towards the Lions, and the

0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:13.679
<v Speaker 4>spot in home favorites home favorites of no more of

0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:16.600
<v Speaker 4>with a spread of no more than minus three for

0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:20.280
<v Speaker 4>twenty one four seventy one and fifty against the spread. So,

0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:23.600
<v Speaker 4>like the bigger picture, trends are kind of pointing in

0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:27.720
<v Speaker 4>opposite directions for these two teams and pointing towards the Lions.

0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:30.320
<v Speaker 4>And then you take into account the fact that we

0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:33.840
<v Speaker 4>really don't know who is starting for the Patriots in

0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:36.920
<v Speaker 4>this spot. I do not think it is mac Jones,

0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:40.720
<v Speaker 4>even though he has been practicing on a limited basis.

0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:43.480
<v Speaker 4>You know, the severity of the injury that he suffered

0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:47.600
<v Speaker 4>in week three, the reporting was that expectations were for

0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:51.200
<v Speaker 4>him to be sidelined multiple weeks. I'm very skeptical he

0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:53.600
<v Speaker 4>starts in this spot. So that goes to back up

0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:58.160
<v Speaker 4>Brian Hoyer, who was concussed. So maybe he's able to start.

0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:03.320
<v Speaker 4>You know, quarterbacks is within the timeframe of when it's

0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:05.640
<v Speaker 4>realistic to think that a guy has a real chance

0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:08.199
<v Speaker 4>to come back, but maybe not. You never know with concussions.

0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:13.439
<v Speaker 4>Hoyer I think is as bad as he might be.

0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:18.320
<v Speaker 4>In reality, he's still like an NFL veteran who knows

0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:24.000
<v Speaker 4>the system. ZAPPI. Maybe. I mean he feels like Mike White,

0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:29.280
<v Speaker 4>except without like without like the game of sexiness to

0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:32.560
<v Speaker 4>make you think he actually might be something. So I

0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:36.119
<v Speaker 4>am very skeptical of whatever is happening with the quarterback

0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:39.399
<v Speaker 4>situation for the Patriots, and then just big pictures. Stepping

0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:42.720
<v Speaker 4>away from that, this Lion's rush offense against the Patriots

0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:47.280
<v Speaker 4>rush defense, I think is going to just destroy. Even

0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:50.040
<v Speaker 4>even though there's no you know, number one running back

0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:53.000
<v Speaker 4>DeAndre Swift, I still think that they're going to run

0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:56.720
<v Speaker 4>the ball really well. The Patriots defense ranks number thirty

0:23:56.760 --> 0:24:00.640
<v Speaker 4>one in both rush DVOA and rush success rate. And

0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:03.280
<v Speaker 4>you have censer Frank rag Noow. He's dealing with a

0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:05.280
<v Speaker 4>foot injury, but I'm not really worried about that. He

0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:08.360
<v Speaker 4>didn't practice yesterday, but that's kind of keeping in pattern

0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:12.560
<v Speaker 4>with his practice habits from last week when he played

0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:14.320
<v Speaker 4>and wasn't at all on the injury boards, so I'm

0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:17.959
<v Speaker 4>not worried about him. You got left guard Jonah Jackson

0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:21.119
<v Speaker 4>who's dealing with a finger injury, but he returned to

0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:24.480
<v Speaker 4>practice on Wednesday, which is a positive development, So he's

0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:26.520
<v Speaker 4>got a shot to play this week. And then on

0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:28.959
<v Speaker 4>the other side, you have the Patriots. Last week, they

0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:32.359
<v Speaker 4>were without defensive tackle Lawrence Guy, who was dealing with

0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:35.440
<v Speaker 4>the shoulder injury. He's one of their main interior run stoppers.

0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:38.479
<v Speaker 4>He didn't practice at all last week. He didn't practice

0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:41.040
<v Speaker 4>on Wednesday, so I'm kind of skeptical that he's playing.

0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:44.400
<v Speaker 4>In our Fantasy Pro's Unit power rankings, the Lions offensive

0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:47.560
<v Speaker 4>line has a massive edge over the Patriots defensive line.

0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:50.760
<v Speaker 4>We have them ranked number three, the Patriots defensive line

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:54.120
<v Speaker 4>at number twenty six, so significant edge, and I think

0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:57.120
<v Speaker 4>with that we're going to see the Lions just push

0:24:57.200 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 4>the Patriots around and control the ball with their grand

0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:04.280
<v Speaker 4>their ground attack, and I think that keeps this game close.

0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:08.480
<v Speaker 4>This number was Lions plus one in the look ahead market.

0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:11.639
<v Speaker 4>That's where I have it projected. Now, maybe the market

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 4>believes with the move from plus one to plus three

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:16.439
<v Speaker 4>plus three and a half, maybe the market beliefs that

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 4>mac Jones actually has a real shot to play this week.

0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:22.400
<v Speaker 4>That to me is like the only explanation for why

0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:25.200
<v Speaker 4>this line has moved to two and a half points

0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:28.399
<v Speaker 4>in the past week. But I'm skeptical that mac Jones plays,

0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:30.720
<v Speaker 4>So I am very happy to be taking the three

0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:32.320
<v Speaker 4>to three and a half currently out there.

0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:37.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking around right here for some injury updates. Mac

0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Jones was on the practice field listed as a limited participant.

0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Hoyer definitely still in concussion protocol. I think tomorrow will

0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:50.159
<v Speaker 1>be the day where we really figure it out and

0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:52.320
<v Speaker 1>see what's going to happen here. I am, of course

0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:54.680
<v Speaker 1>always looking to the over in a Lions game now

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:57.280
<v Speaker 1>because you combine their ability to play offense with their

0:25:57.320 --> 0:26:00.199
<v Speaker 1>complete lack of ability to play defense. I mean, you

0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:02.600
<v Speaker 1>turned the game with the Seattle Seahawks into a shootout.

0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:05.679
<v Speaker 1>You're not stopping anybody right now. But Ben, what are

0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:06.720
<v Speaker 1>you thinking on this one?

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm definitely in agreement with Matt. I think, you know,

0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:14.080
<v Speaker 2>the line movement specifically just like doesn't add up whatsoever

0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:17.199
<v Speaker 2>right now, both because you know it's very much in

0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:19.359
<v Speaker 2>question whether mac Jones is going to play, but also

0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:21.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of what we just talked about with

0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Tua and Teddy, right like, the we don't from PFS perspective,

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:28.760
<v Speaker 2>we don't really you know, think mac Jones is all

0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:31.199
<v Speaker 2>that much better than Brian Hoyer, so for him to

0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:33.960
<v Speaker 2>be worth you know, a full three points while also

0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:36.879
<v Speaker 2>moving through you know, the most important number that is

0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:39.960
<v Speaker 2>there and betting on football and three actually, like it

0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:43.840
<v Speaker 2>just seems like a lot. The injury situation for Detroit

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:45.960
<v Speaker 2>specifically is I would say a little concerned. Youate it

0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 2>sounds like Deandrew Swift, like you said on the questional

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:52.080
<v Speaker 2>side of doubtful. If Amon Ross Brown is back in,

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a pretty big boon to a Detroit

0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:57.120
<v Speaker 2>passing offense that has been much better than expected.

0:26:57.600 --> 0:26:59.480
<v Speaker 1>I will cut you off real quick. I don't think

0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:00.520
<v Speaker 1>that he's playing this week.

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:04.879
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I doubt he plays, so he's questionable.

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 2>And then yeah, Josh Reynolds I think is also up

0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 2>on the injury report. He's another guy that I think

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:12.080
<v Speaker 2>is also you know, borderline what's going to happen with

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:15.480
<v Speaker 2>him as well. So I am concerned about Detroit. But

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 2>I think the weakness from Detroit's defense especially is it

0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:25.120
<v Speaker 2>doesn't really play into the strengths of the Patriots offense,

0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:27.520
<v Speaker 2>especially with Brian Horry at quarterback regularly, He's not going

0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:30.119
<v Speaker 2>to be able to, you know, beat even the worst

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 2>coverage unit in the NFL deep downfield consistently. We might

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:36.200
<v Speaker 2>see one or two lucky plays, but I don't firmly

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 2>really believe in the Patriots past catching unit to kind

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 2>of make those contestant throws or contested catches downfield, So

0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:46.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm concerned about that as well. So I think, you know,

0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:49.000
<v Speaker 2>plus three and a half, even with you know, Detroit's

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 2>skill position injury situation, I still think they're definitely the

0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 2>correct side here.

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:56.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm just excited that for the first time since two

0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:59.320
<v Speaker 1>hundred PC, people might actually be afraid to play against

0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:01.879
<v Speaker 1>the Lions. So it's a it's a great time to

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 1>be alive right now, as we move on to our

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:07.359
<v Speaker 1>next game, here the Bengals and the Ravens in a

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:11.080
<v Speaker 1>showdown that at the preseason we were definitely all circling

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:12.840
<v Speaker 1>the calendar for saying this was going to be a

0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 1>good game. And then the Bengals came out and didn't

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 1>look so good through the first several weeks. But are

0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:22.080
<v Speaker 1>they back on track now? Ben we're seeing them in

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:25.719
<v Speaker 1>this spot here they are the Sunday night game and

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 1>right now Bengals getting three on the road in this

0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 1>one three and a half If you can find it

0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 1>around town, bet MGM and points Bett.

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm I'm willing to be wrong on this one,

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:37.760
<v Speaker 2>but you know, from PFF's perspective, we still the Bengals,

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 2>as you know, a better team overall and in basically

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 2>all of our power rankings metric better offense. I do

0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 2>think that, you know, the Mark Jackson obviously builds up

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 2>the Ravens offense to a point where he is definitely

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:52.520
<v Speaker 2>like an MVP type candidate, but you know, outside of

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 2>him and Mark Andrews, there's there's definitely concerns, I would say,

0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 2>for them actually being productive. Now. You know, the Bengals

0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:02.240
<v Speaker 2>front has been pretty good from a pressure situation, so

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:04.280
<v Speaker 2>I do think they're going to be at least somewhat

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:06.959
<v Speaker 2>successful if they can kind of hold their gaps in

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:09.720
<v Speaker 2>keeping la Mar Jackson contained. And I do think that

0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 2>they have, you know, enough going up against what I

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 2>would consider to be one of the worst secretaries in

0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 2>the NFL right now, in the Baltimore Ravens really beat up.

0:29:18.440 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 2>It seems like, you know, the Week two game against

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:25.240
<v Speaker 2>Miami kind of highlighted just how poor they're playing, especially

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:27.040
<v Speaker 2>on deep balls. I think that's you know, the one

0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 2>real strength from Cincinnati that we haven't really seen Carrie

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 2>forward into twenty twenty two yet, So I think we're

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 2>going to see a few big chunk plays. I think

0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 2>they're you know, going to be right there at the end.

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 2>So if I lose, you know, if I lose because

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:41.040
<v Speaker 2>the Ravens score a touchdown, I think to win this

0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 2>game out right, I'm definitely willing to take that because

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 2>I think in the majority of situations this game is

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 2>going to be settled by a field goal or less.

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 2>So Bengals plus three and a half Sunday Night, I

0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:52.840
<v Speaker 2>think is you know, probably my favorite spread that you

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 2>can bet in Week five.

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 1>Matt, what are you thinking in this one?

0:29:56.920 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I like this. I got at plus three and

0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:04.400
<v Speaker 4>a half. Definitely like it at three. Sorry, at three

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:06.480
<v Speaker 4>and a half much more than three because of the

0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 4>key number there. I haven't projected for two point twenty five,

0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 4>and so I think to be able to get it

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 4>through the three. And you said that this was one

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 4>of your favorite bets, I was gonna ask this is

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 4>one that I am really eyeing for different contests, you

0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 4>know where you have to pick five, especially the contests

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:26.720
<v Speaker 4>have locked it in at plus three and a half.

0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:29.280
<v Speaker 4>I think there's there's significant value there, and so this

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 4>is one of the ones that I think I will

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 4>probably have there. And you know you said earlier that pff.

0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:40.080
<v Speaker 4>Still with everything that you put into your your power ratings,

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 4>you guys still have Cincinnati a little bit ahead of Baltimore.

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 4>I have them at exactly the same spot in my

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 4>power ratings. So yeah, I do think that you know, yeah, sure,

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:57.240
<v Speaker 4>homefield advantage, but you have two divisional rivals. I think

0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 4>that counts for something. I think it should make the

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 4>spread tighter. And so yeah, I think if you can

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 4>get this at three or above, you're getting pretty good

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 4>value there. Because this I don't think there should be

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 4>a field goal.

0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:10.440
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<v Speaker 2>Here?

0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 1>We got Carolina and San Francisco. Always a dicey proposition

0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 1>when you've got West going east and SF coming off

0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 1>of their big Monday night football win over the Rams

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 1>minus six and a half over Baker and the Panthers here.

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, on the one hand, it's Matt Ruhle and

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>the Panthers. On the other hand, it's Kyle Shanahan and

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.080
<v Speaker 1>the forty nine ers as road favorites.

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 3>Man, where are you going here? Via Is?

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 1>As much as I want to be against you on

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>this one, I really don't think I can be.

0:32:56.360 --> 0:33:00.040
<v Speaker 4>I know, I hate myself for this. I mean, no,

0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 4>I love to bet against Kyle Shahan anytime. He's a

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:07.640
<v Speaker 4>favorite of one of the joys in my life. But

0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to do that with Baker Mayfield, or

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 4>with Matt Ruhle, or with their offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 4>for that matter, None of those three guys I want

0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:22.040
<v Speaker 4>to have any part of. But I really do think

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:25.120
<v Speaker 4>that this is the right side here. Kyle Shanahan sixteen

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 4>twenty six and one against the spread As a favorite,

0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 4>I mean, there's just there's something about the way that

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 4>he calls games. He's great as an underdog, horrible as

0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 4>a favorite. I think he just gets a little too

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:39.880
<v Speaker 4>conservative with the play calling when they are in certain

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 4>game scripts, and that allows teams, you know, pretty routinely

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 4>to be able to get the spread. And for me,

0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:49.040
<v Speaker 4>this comes down to the Panthers rush defense against the

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:52.080
<v Speaker 4>forty nine Ers rush offense. You know, again, the Panthers,

0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:55.239
<v Speaker 4>they're easy to make fun of because of everything they

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:57.479
<v Speaker 4>have going on with the coaching staff and on the

0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:00.440
<v Speaker 4>offensive side of the ball, but you know, the defense

0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 4>is actually pretty good. They're they're top twelve against both

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 4>the pass and the run in EPA. Their run defense especially,

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 4>I think should help them keep this contest close. The

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:13.480
<v Speaker 4>forty nine Ers offense is number six in rush rate.

0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 4>Like they want to run the ball. Their offense is

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:18.759
<v Speaker 4>heavily predicated on the running game, but they haven't been

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 4>able to do it that well. They've been no better

0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 4>than number twenty in any of the key rushing efficiency metrics,

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 4>whether it's EPA success rate, DVOA. Right, They're just they're

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:31.440
<v Speaker 4>not running as well as they have previously. And you know,

0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 4>the forty nine ers running game, it's especially hampered with

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:37.000
<v Speaker 4>their injuries. They're without their number one running back, they're

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 4>without one of their key backup running backs, and Terry

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 4>and Davis Price they're without obviously like they're running quarterback

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 4>in Trey lance. They're also missing their starting left tackle

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 4>Trent Williams, who is easily the best offensive lineman that

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 4>they have, and now they're probably going to be without

0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:55.360
<v Speaker 4>backup left tackle Colton mckibbittz, who seems very certain to

0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 4>be missing this game with a knee injury. So you

0:34:57.719 --> 0:34:59.799
<v Speaker 4>put all that together, and the thing that the forty

0:34:59.880 --> 0:35:02.600
<v Speaker 4>nine want to do the best, I don't think they're

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:04.399
<v Speaker 4>really going to be able to do all that well

0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:07.440
<v Speaker 4>in this game. This number was Panthers plus three in

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 4>the look ahead market just a week ago. Uh six

0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:12.480
<v Speaker 4>six and a half. Now, Like, I don't think enough

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:15.359
<v Speaker 4>has changed from then to now to justify the line

0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:18.239
<v Speaker 4>movement that we've seen. So I hate myself for doing it,

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 4>but I will be betting the Panthers at six and

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 4>a half.

0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Then what are you thinking here? Because you got me convinced, Matt,

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:28.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean I would. I will say this.

0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:31.759
<v Speaker 2>I do think the Panthers are the only correct side

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:33.439
<v Speaker 2>to bet on into this game. I just can't bring

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:37.359
<v Speaker 2>myself to do it. I think I've said week zero,

0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:39.240
<v Speaker 2>week one that they are the worst team in the NFL.

0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 2>I think when you factor in, you know, the coaching situation,

0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:45.840
<v Speaker 2>the quarterback situation, everything else, like They're just they're a

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 2>complete cluster. It seems like in so many situations on

0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:51.840
<v Speaker 2>the flip side of that, like San Francisco has this weird,

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:55.920
<v Speaker 2>like almost Kyle Shanahan type tax in the betting market

0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 2>where it seems like they are kind of overvaluing him

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 2>every single week. So I'll find myself on the other

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 2>side of San Francisco when they're playing it, and I

0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:07.360
<v Speaker 2>think it's a similar, you know, mindset with New England

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Patriots as well. I do think that, you know, for

0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:13.000
<v Speaker 2>some reason, the betting market does something with their coaching

0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 2>rankings or something else that kind of seems like those

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:18.000
<v Speaker 2>two teams are always overvalued compared to what I'm looking at.

0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:19.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not quite sure how they do that or what

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.719
<v Speaker 2>they're exactly looking at, but it's just a spot where

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:25.480
<v Speaker 2>I think they probably overvalue those two guys specifically, And

0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:29.520
<v Speaker 2>so I'm going to find myself against San Francisco again.

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:32.040
<v Speaker 2>Like you said, I think that Trent Williams injury has

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of changed their offense right, forced George Kittle to

0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of stay in and at least Chip if not

0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:39.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, past block to the point where they aren't

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 2>really getting to him out in as many routes as

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:43.520
<v Speaker 2>he should be. So that kind of forces, you know,

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:47.399
<v Speaker 2>Deebo Samuel to be a pretty big playmaker after the catch,

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 2>and that worked out well in their Los Angeles Rams game.

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 2>But I don't really think it's a sustainable, long term

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:55.960
<v Speaker 2>effective offense. So if I was betting a game, or

0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 2>if I was betting the side on this, I would

0:36:58.200 --> 0:37:00.839
<v Speaker 2>definitely be on the Panthers. But I just can't bring

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:04.600
<v Speaker 2>myself to be on that side with Matt Rule anytime

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:07.160
<v Speaker 2>soon here. So I'm waiting for, you know, the coaching

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 2>firing chair or something that happen before I can really

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.759
<v Speaker 2>get on board with Carolina reviving anything for the twenty

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:14.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty two season.

0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:17.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there are plenty of Calcutta Carolina owners who

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:20.399
<v Speaker 1>are very much banking on just that to get that

0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:23.799
<v Speaker 1>first coach fired bonus. But this next game that we

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:27.920
<v Speaker 1>have up here, the Cardinals going up against the Eagles.

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:31.000
<v Speaker 1>We got the Eagles laying five and a half right

0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:36.600
<v Speaker 1>now on the road in Arizona against Cliff Kingsbury. Ben,

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:39.760
<v Speaker 1>I need you to tell me here what is PFF seeing?

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Are the Birds real?

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:44.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think the Eagles very much are for real.

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:47.000
<v Speaker 2>I think if you're you know, trying to rank powering

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:49.920
<v Speaker 2>teams right now, mainly based on twenty twenty two performance,

0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 2>it's it's kind of the Bills, but even their jury situation,

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:55.320
<v Speaker 2>I would say, knock them down a little bit. And

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:57.399
<v Speaker 2>then it's really the Philadelphia Eagles. You know, heading into

0:37:57.440 --> 0:37:59.760
<v Speaker 2>the season, I would say, you know, two through fifty

0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 2>three or whatever. On Philadelphia side, we're probably the best

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:06.480
<v Speaker 2>that you could find. Right, offensive line, best best in

0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:09.520
<v Speaker 2>the NFL, you know, either secondary, I would say it

0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:12.120
<v Speaker 2>has played better than expected. I think Darius Slay has

0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 2>at point's been you know, a shutdown type cornerback at

0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:17.560
<v Speaker 2>the NFL level. It seems like he is, you know,

0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:19.960
<v Speaker 2>finally really doing that week in and week on. I

0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:23.359
<v Speaker 2>think that helps them immensely. And then of course Jalen Hurts, right,

0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:27.000
<v Speaker 2>he was probably the one question mark for Philadelphia. I

0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 2>would say, no matter how high your expectations were in

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:32.719
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two, he's probably exceeded those already, just based

0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:34.960
<v Speaker 2>on the fact that he's doing it by delivering the

0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:38.880
<v Speaker 2>football downfield accurately to his playmakers and they're you know,

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:41.440
<v Speaker 2>winning at the top of routes. And I do think that,

0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:44.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, there was probably a consideration that he could

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 2>do it rushing the football a lot, taking off on

0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:48.520
<v Speaker 2>some of these you know, broken down type plays. But

0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:50.920
<v Speaker 2>the thing that's impressed me in most is his ability

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:54.480
<v Speaker 2>and his willingness to continue looking downfield even when he

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:56.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of breaks contained breaks out of the pocket, and

0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 2>those have kind of been, you know, some of their

0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 2>biggest chunk plays of the season. So I think if

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:02.880
<v Speaker 2>that continues, you know, they're going to be really hard out.

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:06.920
<v Speaker 2>But in saying all that, I am on the Cardinals

0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:08.600
<v Speaker 2>side once again. I think they're a team that I'm

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:12.000
<v Speaker 2>back basically for the last three weeks. I don't really

0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:17.040
<v Speaker 2>feel overly confident about that particular you know idea, but

0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:19.360
<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, the Cardinals were kind of a

0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:21.680
<v Speaker 2>team that was just, you know, much maligned. I would

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:24.319
<v Speaker 2>say in the off season the Kyler Murray situation. Does

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:27.239
<v Speaker 2>he study plays Cliff Kingsbury. I think everyone you know

0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:30.399
<v Speaker 2>at this point is pretty wise to you know, how

0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:32.880
<v Speaker 2>in some ways defective he is as a head coach.

0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:35.799
<v Speaker 2>But I still think that you know, with where this

0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:40.239
<v Speaker 2>where this number has moved home dog all things considered,

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:42.680
<v Speaker 2>I would take Cardinals plus five and a half, and

0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 2>it there's a spot that I'm betting and probably locking

0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:47.239
<v Speaker 2>into some of those pick up contests as well.

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Matt, what are you thinking here in this one? Are

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 1>you going with the Eagles or are you taking Arizona?

0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:55.759
<v Speaker 1>We do have three more weeks before the new.

0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:56.200
<v Speaker 3>Call of duty.

0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:59.120
<v Speaker 4>I know it's it's a great bird matchup that we

0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 4>have here, and this line has actually moved to to

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:04.880
<v Speaker 4>five at a couple of books, until you know, maybe

0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:07.279
<v Speaker 4>there's still some lingering value there in the five and

0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 4>a half that we see. But yeah, I mean, it's

0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 4>just it's a disgusting slate for me, I think in general,

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:16.319
<v Speaker 4>and I'm on a whole bunch of underdogs that I

0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:19.239
<v Speaker 4>really don't want to be on. But you know, I'm

0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:21.280
<v Speaker 4>just kind of betting the numbers here and I'm going

0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:25.600
<v Speaker 4>with the Cardinals. Cliff Kingsbury horrible as a head coach.

0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 4>Horrible is a favorite, but pretty good as an underdog

0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:32.120
<v Speaker 4>twenty nine and two against the spread as an underdog

0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:35.359
<v Speaker 4>and on the money line uh sixteen fourteen and one

0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:37.680
<v Speaker 4>as an underdog, which is good for a forty three

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.920
<v Speaker 4>point six percent return on investment. Like he's he has

0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:43.640
<v Speaker 4>been good in this spot. And you know, maybe it's

0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 4>not so much him. It's probably not so much him.

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:49.319
<v Speaker 4>It's probably just hey, Kyler, go do something. But I

0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:51.200
<v Speaker 4>do think in this game, even though it's a it's

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:53.600
<v Speaker 4>a tough matchup. And I have been impressed by the

0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:57.520
<v Speaker 4>Eagles defense, their secondary in particular, but they haven't been

0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 4>that good un rushed defense. And you know, the car

0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:03.960
<v Speaker 4>again something of a joke. They're horizontal raid passing attack,

0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:07.200
<v Speaker 4>but their running game has always been pretty good. You know,

0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:08.960
<v Speaker 4>I think it's just something of a function of how

0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 4>they play their offense. They force defenses to spread out,

0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:15.360
<v Speaker 4>and the Eagles defense, you know, even though they tried

0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:19.360
<v Speaker 4>to make additions this offseason to bolster the run defense,

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:22.799
<v Speaker 4>you know, defensive tackle Jordan Davis, through the draft, they

0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:27.879
<v Speaker 4>signed in free agency, edge Hassan Reddick, linebacker Becazeer White,

0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:30.759
<v Speaker 4>and free agency they drafted linebacker na Kobe Dean. They've

0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:34.160
<v Speaker 4>they've made moves to try to improve against the run.

0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:38.279
<v Speaker 4>It still hasn't done anything right. The Cardinals they have

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:42.120
<v Speaker 4>outperformed the Eagles defense in every key rushing efficiency metric.

0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:45.360
<v Speaker 4>And you know, and none of these rushing efficiency metrics

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:48.279
<v Speaker 4>is the Eagles defense in the top twenty. So if

0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:51.440
<v Speaker 4>a home team can run the ball with success, it

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:53.920
<v Speaker 4>has a good chance to cover, whether it's a favorite

0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:56.839
<v Speaker 4>or an underdog. And in the offseason market we talked

0:41:56.880 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 4>about this on the Tuesday Show with Drew Denzik and

0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:03.080
<v Speaker 4>the offense season market, this line was Cardinals minus two

0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:07.840
<v Speaker 4>and a half. I mean, yes, they have underperformed expectations

0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:10.920
<v Speaker 4>to open the year and the Eagles have outperformed, but

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:14.960
<v Speaker 4>not enough for this line to move eight points in

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:19.120
<v Speaker 4>just four games. So again, hate myself for doing it.

0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:20.960
<v Speaker 4>I will be taking the Cardinals at plus five and

0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 4>a half.

0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:24.760
<v Speaker 1>The last game that we have here on the slate

0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:27.920
<v Speaker 1>that we want to talk about right now. The autumn

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:30.840
<v Speaker 1>wind may be a pirate, but the Raiders head into

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Kansas City this weekend to seven point dogs in this one.

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:39.600
<v Speaker 1>An old boy, it's Monday night football in Kansas City.

0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:43.480
<v Speaker 1>You got the Chiefs buzzing on all cylinders right now.

0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:46.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. On the one side, you have the

0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:48.319
<v Speaker 1>fact that the Raiders do always like to play this

0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 1>team tough, and you do have the fact that we

0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:53.719
<v Speaker 1>have plenty of times before seeing the Chiefs look absolutely

0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 1>invincible one week and then come out and lay an

0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:59.440
<v Speaker 1>egg the next But Matt, where are you going in

0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:01.799
<v Speaker 1>this one? Are you taking the Chiefs and laying the

0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 1>points or are you riding with the Raiders?

0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:08.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I will be very square, very fishy here. Just

0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:11.200
<v Speaker 4>tell me it's Andy Reid playing a divisional opponent, Okay,

0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:13.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm going with the Chiefs. Or tell me it's Patrick

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:16.720
<v Speaker 4>Mahomes in primetime. Okay, I will bet on that side.

0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:18.799
<v Speaker 4>Andy Reid is thirty three to twenty one and one

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:23.200
<v Speaker 4>against the spread with the Chiefs against divisional opponents. Patrick

0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:26.360
<v Speaker 4>Mahomes fourteen nine and one against the spread in primetime.

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:29.080
<v Speaker 4>And for me, this really does come down to Patrick

0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:33.359
<v Speaker 4>Mahomes going against a Raiders pass defense that I think

0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:35.279
<v Speaker 4>is really bad. And for a team to cover a

0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:37.520
<v Speaker 4>big spread, it needs to be able to move the

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:39.560
<v Speaker 4>ball through the air so they can score a lot

0:43:39.560 --> 0:43:42.520
<v Speaker 4>of points quickly, and obviously with Patrick Mahomes the Chiefs

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:45.359
<v Speaker 4>can do that. Even without Tyreek Hill, they're top eight

0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:48.160
<v Speaker 4>and all the key passing efficiency metrics this year, and

0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:51.960
<v Speaker 4>the Raiders defense very much is not. This is one

0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:55.520
<v Speaker 4>of the worst pass defense units in the league. In

0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 4>our Fantasy Pros unit power rankings, I see Mahomes as

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:01.400
<v Speaker 4>having a massive edge over the Raiders defense and the

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:04.640
<v Speaker 4>secondary in particular. I personally think Mahomes is still the

0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:06.840
<v Speaker 4>best quarterback in the league. But as a staff, we

0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:10.439
<v Speaker 4>have him ranked number two. Fine, he's top two. He's

0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:12.919
<v Speaker 4>going against the defense that we have ranked number twenty

0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 4>five and a secondary that we have ranked number twenty nine.

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 4>This is just a massive edge advantage that he has,

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:21.640
<v Speaker 4>and I think the Chiefs will be able to score

0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:24.400
<v Speaker 4>at will. And I do not think that on the

0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:28.200
<v Speaker 4>other side of this, the Raiders offense will be able

0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:32.640
<v Speaker 4>to keep up enough against a Chiefs defense that isn't great,

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<v Speaker 4>but is good enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious here when you say he's not the number

0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:41.440
<v Speaker 1>two quarterback on your rankings. That's behind Bailey's appy right,

0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:47.240
<v Speaker 1>almost very close, very close. He's number three. All right, Ben,

0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:52.919
<v Speaker 1>what are you thinking in this game? I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm pretty much with Matt, right. I think

0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:57.720
<v Speaker 1>we don't really have a strong lean in one direction.

0:44:58.640 --> 0:45:00.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't think this is the rate, you know, even

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<v Speaker 1>close to the.

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<v Speaker 2>Same Raiders team that beat you know, the Chiefs outright basically,

0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:06.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, was the last year two years, God, in

0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:10.880
<v Speaker 2>my years run them? Yeah, so it's but it's you know,

0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:13.319
<v Speaker 2>obviously things have turned over with the Raiders. I would

0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:16.799
<v Speaker 2>say Josh McDaniels has been very lackluster to start. It

0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:20.360
<v Speaker 2>seems like they're just not really utilizing Devonte Adams in

0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:22.839
<v Speaker 2>a role that I would have even expected to kind

0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:25.840
<v Speaker 2>of start the season. So with that in disarray a

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:29.680
<v Speaker 2>little bit, you know, I think this is probably closer

0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:32.520
<v Speaker 2>to like an eight point differential based on PFS power

0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:35.920
<v Speaker 2>rankings numbers only. So if you fold in you know,

0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of expectation for home field advantage as well,

0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:41.040
<v Speaker 2>you can easily see why the Chiefs might be the

0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:44.239
<v Speaker 2>correct side in this particular matchup. But yeah, what it

0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:45.799
<v Speaker 2>comes down to with me and the Chiefs is if

0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:49.719
<v Speaker 2>I knew when Andy Reid was motivated to call and

0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:53.000
<v Speaker 2>like unveil his you know, arsenal of creative plays and

0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:55.360
<v Speaker 2>everything else, I would bet them every single week. The

0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:58.440
<v Speaker 2>problem is sometimes he he seems to almost you know,

0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:02.040
<v Speaker 2>not really willing or not really wanting to show or

0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:03.839
<v Speaker 2>put his best plays on tape. But I do think

0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:07.600
<v Speaker 2>that you know, in primetime Division rival a spot where

0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:10.000
<v Speaker 2>they can you know, kind of you know, very Las

0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Vegas Raiders for all intents and purposes and have no

0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:15.040
<v Speaker 2>shot of really winning or competing for a playoff spot,

0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:17.640
<v Speaker 2>much less the AFC West crowd. I think we're going

0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:19.839
<v Speaker 2>to see probably the best version of the kingsc cate

0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 2>Chiefs one more week, so they're the only side I

0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:24.960
<v Speaker 2>would bet. I've not bet them yet, but I think

0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:27.759
<v Speaker 2>at minus seven or whatever, its Chiefs or Busts.

0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:30.800
<v Speaker 1>In my opinion, if I have to lay seven points

0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:33.480
<v Speaker 1>with any team in the league, especially this week, and

0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:36.880
<v Speaker 1>this slate has a lot of those options, it's got

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:39.920
<v Speaker 1>to be the Chiefs. I mean, last week I was

0:46:39.960 --> 0:46:43.360
<v Speaker 1>on the Raiders, but that was against Denver. This is

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:45.680
<v Speaker 1>a whole different story here. And we're talking about this

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Chiefs team last year. They outscored the Raiders eighty nine

0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:55.640
<v Speaker 1>to twenty three in both of their matchups last season. Yeah,

0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:57.840
<v Speaker 1>the Raiders almost got the best of them the year before,

0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:02.400
<v Speaker 1>winning one and losing one by four. But this is

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:04.959
<v Speaker 1>just an I texted Matt right after the right after

0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:07.160
<v Speaker 1>the Raider game last week, and I just said Chiefs

0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:10.520
<v Speaker 1>by forty this week that this team is this is

0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:14.440
<v Speaker 1>not going to be good for the Raiders in prime time. Now, guys,

0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:17.080
<v Speaker 1>before we get you out of here. I want to

0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:19.800
<v Speaker 1>ask the end of every show, if you had to

0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:23.000
<v Speaker 1>pick a team for your Survivor pick this week, Chiefs

0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:25.000
<v Speaker 1>do seem like an enticing option at home, but that

0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:28.920
<v Speaker 1>is a divisional game. I was looking at Jacksonville against Houston,

0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:33.760
<v Speaker 1>but Jacksonville has actually lost to Houston the last four

0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:36.760
<v Speaker 1>times that they've played. But this is a very different

0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Jags team here. Matt, what are you thinking? Would Jacksonville

0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:41.680
<v Speaker 1>be your pick or would you go somewhere else? And

0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:42.240
<v Speaker 1>the Survivor.

0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:46.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I always forget that you're going to mention this,

0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:50.640
<v Speaker 4>and so every time you start wrapping, Yeah, I'm sure

0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:53.480
<v Speaker 4>it is in the rundown. You know, it would have

0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:55.879
<v Speaker 4>to be something that I actually pay attention to. But yes,

0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:58.279
<v Speaker 4>you are right, it is in the rundown. And so

0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:00.879
<v Speaker 4>the team that immediately caught my eye was Jacksonville here

0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:04.799
<v Speaker 4>because you probably haven't used them yet. I mean, you

0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:07.879
<v Speaker 4>just want to pick on Houston when you have the opportunity,

0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:11.320
<v Speaker 4>and some of these other teams I think you probably

0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:15.920
<v Speaker 4>want to save. So I think Jacksonville is a decent

0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:18.359
<v Speaker 4>play here. That said, this is coming from a guy

0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:22.000
<v Speaker 4>who died in Survivor in week one, so don't listen

0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:23.120
<v Speaker 4>to anything. I have to say.

0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:25.880
<v Speaker 1>I have two picks, and I use one to go

0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:27.839
<v Speaker 1>with like a chalkier team where I'm using up all

0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 1>the good teams early, and one where I've been taking

0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:32.200
<v Speaker 1>a couple more risks. This feels like a good spot

0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:33.759
<v Speaker 1>for Jacksonville on the risk is when are you going

0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:35.920
<v Speaker 1>to use them again? But Ben, what do you think?

0:48:35.920 --> 0:48:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Do you have an alternative for us? Or are you

0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:38.960
<v Speaker 1>saying ride with the Jags.

0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:41.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean I would say if you didn't use the

0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:44.719
<v Speaker 2>Vikings last week, I think this week is probably one

0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:47.080
<v Speaker 2>of the best options to take them. I don't have

0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:49.279
<v Speaker 2>their full schedule in front of me, but seven and

0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:51.200
<v Speaker 2>a half point favorites at home. I know you're backing

0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:55.040
<v Speaker 2>Kirk Cousins after you know, long traveled everything else, but

0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:57.840
<v Speaker 2>I think they're a pretty good spot. I don't know

0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:00.920
<v Speaker 2>if you're gonna feel, you know, any more carveord picking

0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:03.080
<v Speaker 2>them at any other point in time. So I would

0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:05.680
<v Speaker 2>say the Vikings might be an ulterior option if you

0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:07.200
<v Speaker 2>don't want to, you know, use up one of the

0:49:07.200 --> 0:49:09.720
<v Speaker 2>best teams in the NFL or the Jacksonville Jake. Whereas

0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:11.839
<v Speaker 2>at the stage, well, there we go.

0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:14.000
<v Speaker 1>That's going to do it for us here today, Ben,

0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Where can people find you and all the great your

0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:18.000
<v Speaker 1>work you're doing around the internet and for PFF.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely. So PFF does have a you know, new

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<v Speaker 2>that out. Check me out at PFF Underscore Ben Brown

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<v Speaker 2>on Twitter. I'm also somewhat infrequently on TikTok, but trying

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0:49:40.520 --> 0:49:43.319
<v Speaker 2>you can follow me on there as well, same user name,

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, Matt Matt is going to do it for us

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<v Speaker 1>one more time here, Ben Brown at PFF Underscore.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Brown, Ben Brown, Ben bro There's way too many

0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:09.240
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<v Speaker 2>Ben Moniker or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, I'm rolling with the last name as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course you can find Matt on Twitter at

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