1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 1: This is Tom Keene introducing you to the Bloomberg Daybreak podcast. 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: Every day, Nathan Hager, Karen Moscow, and Michael Barr bring 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: you a roundup of the top stories from Wall Street 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: to Washington and around the world. It's all on the 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: Daybreak podcast feed by six am each morning, and today, 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: for our Bloomberg Surveillance audience, we bring you a sample 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: of the show. Click the link in this description to 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: subscribe to the Bloomberg Daybreak Podcast on Apple, Spotify, or 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: anywhere you listen. 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 2: are the stories we're following today. 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 3: We begin with a guilty verdict for Sam Bankman Free. 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 3: It took a jury less than five hours to convict 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 3: the FTX co founder of seven counts of fraud and conspiracy. 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's June Grossow begins our team coverage. 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 4: It's not a surprise because the evidence against him was overwhelming. 17 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 4: And think, what did it is? Dam Makminfried took the 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 4: stand in his own defense, and when a defendant takes 19 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 4: the stand that way, the whole thing in the jury's 20 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 4: mind becomes a credibility game. How incredible do they find him. 21 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's June Grosso says Sam Bankman Fried faces as much 22 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 3: as twenty years in prison on each of the most 23 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 3: serious charges. He'll be sentenced in March. 24 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 2: Well Nathan Bloomberg. The legal reporter Ava Benny Morrison was 25 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: in the courtroom during the verdict, and she continues our 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: team coverage. 27 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 5: He was pretty emotionless. He was asked to stand up 28 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 5: by the judge. When the jury delivered its verdict, he 29 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 5: faced the jury box. He held his hands in front 30 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 5: of him and it looked like he was tearing down 31 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 5: at the floor as the jury. As the fourth person 32 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 5: for the jury confirmed guilty to each of the seven charges. 33 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 5: He then sat back down. When the jury walked out 34 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 5: of the room. He was whispering with his lawyers. He 35 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 5: was nodding a lot while he wasn't very emotional. His 36 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 5: parents were how they were holding each other. His dad, 37 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 5: I'm doubled over at one point. 38 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Legal reporter Ava Benny Morrison reports, Bankman's lawyer is 39 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: considering an appeal. 40 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 3: Hey Karen Bloomberg. Business Week investigative reporter Zeke Fox wrote 41 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 3: a book on ftx's crypto Rollercoaster, and he says bankmin 42 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 3: Freed struggled under cross examination. 43 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 6: When his own lawyer was questioning him, he had a 44 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 6: lot to say, but when the prosecution had there turned 45 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 6: a cross examine, he suddenly didn't remember anything. And in 46 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 6: one moment that was dramatic, I mean, especially for me. 47 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 6: The prosecutor asked her, as she asked him about the statement, 48 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 6: there was more leeway, and he said, I don't remember 49 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 6: saying anything like that. She whipped out a copy of 50 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 6: my book number go up and walked it over to 51 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 6: him like a hard copy, and was like turn to 52 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 6: page two twenty four. 53 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 3: In Bloomberg Business Week, Zeke Fox ads the conviction is 54 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 3: the first in a wave of legal action against crypto companies. 55 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 2: Nathan now to the other major trial happening in New York, 56 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: Donald Trump's two hundred and fifty million dollars civil fraud case. 57 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 2: The former president's two oldest sons took turns on the 58 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 2: witness stand, denying any role in preparing their company's financial records. Afterward, 59 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: Donald Trump Junior addressed reporters. 60 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 7: Before even having a day in court, I'm apparently guilty 61 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 7: of fraud for relying on my accountants to do wait 62 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 7: for it accounting. 63 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: Donald Trump Junior's brother Eric is set to continue testifying today. 64 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: Their sister Evonka will take the stand next week. She 65 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: lost an appeal to delay her testimony. 66 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 6: Well, Karen, we. 67 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 3: Now turn to the war in the Middle East. Secretary 68 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 3: of State Anthony Blinken is back in Tel Aviv. 69 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 8: We're determined that this conflict Nott spread and we'll be 70 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 8: talking to both the Israeli government partners in the region 71 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 8: about what all of us are doing to prevent that 72 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 8: from happening. 73 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 3: When Secretary of State b Lincoln's arrival comes. As ground 74 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 3: operations continue in Gaza, the Hamas run Health Ministry says 75 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 3: more than nine thousand Palestinians have died in the fighting. 76 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: Israel says seventeen if its soldiers have been killed. 77 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: Well, Nathan. The House has passed the Aid for Israel bill, 78 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: but Bloomberg's Ad Baxter reports it may have a troubled future. 79 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 9: This is a victory for House Speaker Mike Johnson, but 80 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 9: it looks as if it is dead to become law. 81 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 9: Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer has been saying taking funding 82 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 9: from IRS enforcement is a bad idea, and President Biden 83 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 9: is out saying if it were to hit his desk, 84 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 9: he would not sign it. House Speaker Johnson says it 85 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 9: will get done. 86 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 6: There is absolutely no equivocation here. We have to stay with. 87 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 9: Israel, and Republican Congressman Tom Cole says there are different 88 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 9: paths to get the aid. 89 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 8: We have a lot of unspent money. 90 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 9: We ought to use that toward a more important purpose, 91 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 9: and that's Israel. So the issue is far from settled. 92 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 9: Ed Baxter Bloomberg Radio. 93 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 8: Okay and thank you. 94 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 3: Turning the market. Shares of Apple are down more than 95 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 3: three percent. The world's most valuable company reported its fourth 96 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 3: straight sales decline, and it's warning holiday revenue will be 97 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 3: about the same as last year. Angelo Zeno, as senior 98 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 3: equity analyst at CFA Research. 99 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 10: It's not the most favorable landscape out there for PCs, 100 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 10: even though the broader PC landscape appears to have found 101 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 10: some sort of putting for the time being, but at 102 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 10: the end of the day, the consumer landscape is still 103 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 10: very challenging in. 104 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: Nature cfres angelo Zino says the results also suggest Apples 105 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 3: facing a decceleration in China. 106 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: Well Nathano the stocks on the move this morning. Shares 107 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: of DraftKings up seven percent. The sports betting operator reported 108 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 2: sales and player numbers that beat analysts expectations, Block shares 109 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: surging more than eighteen percent, the Payments Giant run by 110 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: Jack Dorsey, again boosting its profit forecast for the year, 111 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 2: and shares of Booking dropping as much as seven percent 112 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 2: in light trading. The company formerly known as Price Lines 113 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: as travel demand had been diminished by the Israel Hamas war, 114 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: and on. 115 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 3: The economic front, Karen a busy Week concludes with the 116 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 3: October Jobs Report, a preview of that now from Bloomberg's 117 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 3: Michael McKee. 118 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 11: FED chair J Powell says a tight labor market could 119 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 11: lead to another rate move, which means markets will partch 120 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 11: the October jobs report trying to determine what it signals. 121 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 11: Is hiring still much stronger than what's needed to absorb 122 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 11: an increasing labor force. Have higher interest rates led companies 123 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 11: to pull back on hiring or even start letting people go. 124 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 11: Our company is still paying up to attract workers, while 125 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 11: the FED we'll also see the November payrolls report before 126 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 11: its next meeting. Powell says it will take several months 127 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 11: of data to make any decisions. Michael McKee, Bloomberg Radio. 128 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: All right, Nathan, thank you. It is time now for 129 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: a look at some of the other stories making news 130 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 2: around the world. And for that we're joined by Bloomberg's 131 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: John Tucker, John, good morning. 132 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 12: And Karen. Something maybe rotten in the Big Apple. The 133 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 12: mayor's fundraising campaign is under investigation. Let's get more on 134 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 12: this report from Bloomberg's Michael Barr. 135 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 13: Mayor Adams ditched White House meeting on the migrant crisis 136 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 13: and flew back to the city that mayor explaining his 137 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 13: abrupt return. 138 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 8: But you probably heard the reports involved in one of 139 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 8: my campaign staffers. 140 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 13: Staffer is lead fundraiser, twenty five year old Branna Suggs, 141 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 13: whose Brooklyn home was raided by the FBI on along 142 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 13: with the officers of a New York construction firm called KSK, 143 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 13: it made fourteen thousand dollars in campaign contributions. The investigation 144 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 13: is looking into whether the company, along with Turkish nationals, 145 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 13: made improper donations in New York. Michael Barr Bloomberg Radio. 146 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 13: Adams was supposed to be with the mayors of Chicago 147 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 13: and Denver. It asked Congress to approve President Biden's request 148 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 13: at one point four billion dollars to help the cities 149 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 13: and states in the migrant crisis. Denver Mayor Mike Johnston, 150 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 13: We're both. 151 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 10: Grateful for what they've done. 152 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 14: It's critical for us that this package passes over the 153 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 14: next several weeks to get funding to cities, otherwise we'll 154 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 14: have catastrophic impacts. 155 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 12: The Democratic Mayor's trying to put pressure on the Bided 156 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 12: administration to address the humanitarian crisis caused by record crossings 157 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 12: at the southern border. The Senate had voted ninety five 158 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 12: to one to confirm Admiral Linda Franchetti to be the 159 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 12: next Chief of Naval Operations, making her the first woman 160 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 12: to be a US military service chief. Set of Majority 161 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 12: Lye Chuck Schumer and. 162 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 15: Admiral Fanchette is an exceptional leader with a distinguished career 163 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 15: serving our nation. I'm confident she has the experience, the skills, 164 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 15: and the vision to succeed as the US Navy's top 165 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 15: naval As the US Navy's top. 166 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 12: Officer, Franchetti's confirmation comes amid a temporary break from a 167 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 12: blockade by Senator Tommy Tubberville, stalling hundreds of military promotions. 168 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 12: Riding high on historic contract wins against Detroit's automakers. Uaputy 169 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 12: president Sean Faine is confident he can now take on 170 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 12: Tesla and it's Anta Union chief Elon Musk. 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The Steelers bunch in ninety 189 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 13: two yards. Check take Tully. 190 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 9: That's theont Te Johnson's first touchdown. 191 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 13: And what a couple of seasons does. 192 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 16: Twenty Games TV had the calls. The Steelers beat the 193 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 16: Titans twenty to sixteen. Pittsburgh's five and three. Tennessee is 194 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 16: three and five. In Victor Weberanna's fifth NBA game, the 195 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 16: Spurs rookie Sensations scored thirty eight points. He had ten 196 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 16: rebounds some highlight reel baskets as the San Antonio Spurs 197 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 16: blew a twenty seven point lead but still beat Phoenix 198 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 16: won thirty two to one twenty one. Philadelphia's three to one, 199 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 16: one by fifteen over Toronto. Joel Mbiid scored twenty eight. 200 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 16: The Pelicans are four to one. They played without Zion Williamson. CJ. 201 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 16: McCollums scored thirty three and win over Detroit. Orlando won 202 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 16: by two at Utah. Palo Bankero scored thirty. The games 203 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 16: tonight in the NBA marked the beginning of the NBA's 204 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 16: in season tournament. The Bruins are nine to ozhoin one 205 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 16: they beat Toronto three two in a shootout. Nelson Cruz 206 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 16: announced his retirement at age forty three. Played nineteen seasons 207 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 16: for eight different teams, at four hundred and sixty four 208 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 16: home runs as expected World Series ratings, the lowest ever 209 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 16: one hundred and thirty baseball players will be free agents. 210 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 16: Heading the list show at AO time, John Stanshywer Bloomberg Sports. 211 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 8: From coast to coast, from New York to San Francisco, 212 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 8: Boston to Washington, DC, nationwide on SiriusXM, the Bloomberg Business 213 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 8: app in Bloomberg dot com. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 214 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 3: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager. Guilty on all counts after 215 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 3: a month long trial, Sam Bankman Freed is convicted in 216 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 3: one of the biggest cases of financial fraud in decades 217 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 3: over the collapse of his FTX crypto empire. For more 218 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: reaction to this outcome, we are joined now by Bloomberg 219 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 3: Law host June Grosso. It's good to have you back 220 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 3: with us this morning. Of course, this came after more 221 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: than fifteen days of testimony that this jury heard. In 222 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 3: the end, though it did take only about five hours 223 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 3: for those jurors to come back with a verdict. Your thoughts, Yeah, it. 224 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 4: Was a very quick verdict. I think that the evidence 225 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 4: in this case was overwhelming. The prosecution had not only 226 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 4: documents that they could present, but they also had three insiders, 227 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 4: three witnesses who were close friends of Sam Bankman Freed, 228 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 4: one a former girlfriend of his, who were in on 229 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 4: the process, in on what happened. And they testified and 230 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 4: their testimony was very, you know, conclusive, and the cross 231 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 4: examinations really didn't expose many holes in their testimony. And 232 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 4: you also had the fact that Sam Bankman Freed took 233 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 4: the stand, and when a defendant takes the stand, the 234 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 4: focus for the jury then becomes the credibility of that defendant. 235 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 4: And while he did pretty well on direct examination, on 236 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 4: cross examination, the cross examination was just withering and he 237 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 4: said I don't know or words to that effect more 238 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 4: than a hundred times. So I think that in this case, 239 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 4: his taking the stand, which was a risky move. Everyone 240 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 4: knows that it's a risky move for a defendant to 241 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 4: take the stand, and it worked against him. 242 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 3: Here, was that the biggest mistake that Sam Bankman Freed 243 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 3: made to take the stand, or or is there something 244 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: more that he could have done to try to rebut 245 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 3: that testimony from as you say, what used to be 246 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 3: his closest friends, his inner circle. 247 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's. 248 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 17: Hard to say. 249 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 4: I don't want to characterize it as a mistake really 250 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 4: because I don't know that he had any other choice. 251 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 4: The evidence against him, as I said, was building, building, building. 252 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 4: He had those those witnesses who turned against him, and really, 253 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 4: what else could he have done but take the stand. 254 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 4: He really had no other recourse. It was sort of 255 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 4: forced on him as the trial was going on, the 256 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 4: question will he take the stand or not? And the 257 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 4: analysis was, well, he has the kind of personality to 258 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 4: want to take the stand. I mean, look at all 259 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 4: the times he's talked in the media. But everyone knew 260 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 4: that on cross examination he was going to be confronted 261 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 4: with not only the testimony of the three people who 262 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 4: are closest to him at FTX and Alimeter Research who 263 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 4: turned on him, but also all the statements that he made, 264 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 4: all the times he talked to the media about FTX 265 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 4: after the bankruptcy. So but what else could he do? 266 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 4: It was it was a hail Mary pass and he 267 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 4: took it. But you know, the choice was really there 268 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 4: wasn't really wasn't much choice because it was so overwhelming 269 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 4: at that point that, you know, he had to take 270 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 4: the chance. 271 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 3: And there was, as you mentioned, so much overwhelming testimony 272 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 3: against him before he took the standard. Even before that testimony, 273 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 3: I mean, he lost a number of pre trial motions 274 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 3: that kept him from calling expert witnesses. And of course 275 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 3: there was that moment even before he was allowed to 276 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 3: testify before a jury, where he got on the stand 277 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 3: in front of the judge to argue for being allowed 278 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 3: to testify about advice from his lawyers. So I mean 279 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 3: he had a number of hands tied behind his back, 280 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 3: didn't he. 281 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know so much. Many of the motions, 282 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 4: every big one that I can think of, the judge 283 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 4: ruled against him, and in particular, he was on the stand, 284 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 4: as you mentioned, about three hours testifying before the judge, 285 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 4: so the judge could decide whether or not he could 286 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 4: get used an advice of council defense, and that was 287 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 4: really critical to his defense his lawyers, and he wanted 288 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 4: to say that what he did he did because he 289 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 4: was relying on the advice of his attorneys, and the 290 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 4: judge said that he could not do that. I mean, 291 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 4: the judge even ruled before trial that they couldn't use that, 292 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 4: they couldn't talk about that in their opening statements to 293 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 4: the jury. And then then he had those three hours 294 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 4: on the stands where the judge decided that he couldn't 295 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 4: use that and he couldn't talk about that in front 296 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 4: of the jury, and that was really a hit on 297 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 4: his defense. And if you go back, I mean, even 298 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 4: before the trial, the judge, as you mentioned, said that 299 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 4: he couldn't use expert witnesses. And the judge threw him 300 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 4: into jail after he had communicated with the press, and 301 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 4: that was really a surprise too, because he had a 302 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 4: huge bail package and the defense was coming in to 303 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 4: agree that day to a gag order. Instead the judge 304 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 4: decided that he was going to throw him into jail 305 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 4: weeks before the trial, and that really puts a strain 306 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 4: on the defense in more ways than one. I mean, 307 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 4: not only did he not have his adderall when he 308 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 4: was in jail, not have the right dose of it, 309 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 4: but he's a vegan and he didn't get the kind 310 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 4: of food he eats. He didn't get the kind of 311 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 4: foods at the Brooklyn Detention Center. So everyone saw that 312 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 4: he lost a lot of weight when it came to 313 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 4: the courtroom. But more than that, it's very difficult to 314 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 4: prepare for trial when you're behind bars and your lawyer 315 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 4: has to make appointments to meet you, and you don't 316 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 4: have access to all the documents and the internet and 317 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 4: the things you need. So it really was an uphill 318 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 4: battle for him from the very beginning. 319 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 3: And so we've had this uphill battle go on for 320 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 3: just about a month. After a relatively quick jury decision, 321 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 3: we are expecting that Sam Bankminfried and his lawyers are 322 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 3: going to appeal this verdict. How do you expect that to. 323 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 4: Go now, Well, you know, they have a lot of 324 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 4: issues that they can appeal on, and they're the ones 325 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 4: that I was just talking about, the judge turning down 326 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 4: the advice of council and the expert witnesses, and I'm 327 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 4: sure they have a lot more from what happened at trial, 328 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 4: but it's it's very difficult to get a conviction reversed 329 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 4: on appeal. It happens, but it's very difficult because a 330 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 4: lot of these decisions are what they say, you know, 331 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 4: in the discretion of the judge, and the appellate court 332 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 4: won't touch a lot of a lot of these decisions 333 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 4: if they feel that it was in the discretion of 334 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 4: the judge and that these may all fit in that category. 335 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 4: So you know they will. 336 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 17: They do have a lot to talk about, they do 337 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 17: have a lot to raise on appeal, but you know 338 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 17: it's another uphill battle for him. 339 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 14: This is Bloomberg day Break Today, your morning brief on 340 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 14: the stories making news from Wall Street to Washington and beyond. 341 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 2: Look for us on your podcast feed at six am 342 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: Eastern each morning, on Apple, Spotify, and anywhere else you 343 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: get your podcasts. 344 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 14: You can also listen live each morning starting at five 345 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 14: am Wall Street time on Bloomberg eleven three to zero 346 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 14: in New York, Bloomberg ninety nine one in Washington, Bloomberg 347 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 14: one oh six' one in Boston, and Bloomberg ninety sixty 348 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 14: in San Francisco. 349 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 2: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 350 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 2: Amazon Alexa devices. 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