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Speaker 4: Good morning, Swim and welcome to the No Dunks podcast

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Speaker 4: on the Athletic Network. It's Tuesday, April fifteenth, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: I'm Jay Skeets here in the Classic Factory and alongside

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Speaker 4: me as always tas Mellis.

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Speaker 1: If you're a fan of the NBA playing games, this

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Speaker 1: one is for you.

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Speaker 4: Next to him, it's my Tapsha hot boyt Trick Kirby

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Speaker 4: A You and over Yonder continuing to make the Disney

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Speaker 4: magic happen, paying off his pick 'em loss from last month.

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Speaker 2: It's Eshua kid aka Yoda.

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Speaker 1: Hey y'all do it?

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, no no, you're doing the voice rang.

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Speaker 2: You're so good at the voices.

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Speaker 4: Took fantastic Yes.

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Speaker 2: As dressed as Yoda here.

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Speaker 4: Got a tight a tight hat on. I guess look

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Speaker 4: at you, the Jedi Master.

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Speaker 3: The only thing we purchased though, was the like the

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Speaker 3: Yoda ears. Everything else is just personal collection. Yeah man,

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Speaker 3: Halloween I got kids.

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Speaker 4: Can you take the hood off real quick? Because hey,

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Speaker 4: it's sort of Shrek.

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Speaker 1: I thought we're gonna see Scooby Doo. I thought the

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Speaker 1: impression was a little more Scooby Do.

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Speaker 2: Scooby Doo. Sorry man, sorry, sounding like Yoda.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hear it. Okay, So that's Scooby Gotta Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Look a new Disney costume every day this week for

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Speaker 4: esh here in the Factory, we got a fun one today, though,

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Speaker 4: we are going to discuss the Suns firing another head coach.

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Speaker 4: They're still at it, and the Pels are canning David

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Speaker 4: Griffin and what does that mean for Zion Williamson's future

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Speaker 4: there in Orleans. But it's officially time for some playoff previews.

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Speaker 4: The first round of the twenty twenty five NBA Playoffs

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Speaker 4: tips on Saturday, and a three versus six seed series

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Speaker 4: between the Knicks and Pistons figures to be one of

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Speaker 4: the more exciting opening battles here. Maybe in the first round.

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Speaker 4: The Knicks, they risked their future for a chance at

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Speaker 4: a better present. They brought in Karl Anthony Towns. They

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Speaker 4: a fifty one and thirty one record, good, but an

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Speaker 4: zero to ten record against the top three teams in

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Speaker 4: They jumped from what fourteen wins last year to a

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Speaker 4: forty four and thirty eight record, and they played the

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Speaker 4: Knicks exceptionally well this regular season. So here we go

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Speaker 4: on Saturday. Let's break it down, tass. What's one thing

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to keep it real simple to start.

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Speaker 1: I just think game one is super important. If the

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Speaker 1: Pistons are going to win this thing, they can go

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Speaker 1: pluck Game one from New York, which they won in

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Speaker 1: That is super important, especially because the Knicks, they have

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Speaker 1: Detroit makes up one of them. Now, I can't decide

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Speaker 1: But I think defensively is the more important thing because

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: I think the Pistons are gonna win one of these

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Speaker 2: What are you watching for in this one, TK, It's

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Speaker 2: all about Kid Cunningham.

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Speaker 3: There's a chance for him to make his name really

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Speaker 3: That's gonna be big for the Pistons because they might

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Speaker 3: And that's the huge worry here. We're mentioning how bad

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Speaker 3: Detroit's probably deeper, But I don't know how much that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Kaid demolished every pick and roll coverage that the

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Speaker 4: He loves to do that. And when they did that,

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Speaker 4: it'll be interesting to see if they switch up and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the important part.

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Speaker 4: They force it out of Kaide's hands and make what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably a good strategy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do they have a number two guy to really

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Speaker 3: Gonna have to be shooter. Like Beasley is a good shooter,

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Speaker 3: Tim Hardaway Junior is a good shooter. They're gonna let

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Speaker 3: that's absolutely gonna be the plan for the Knicks. They're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna start it by saying, all right, mikeel

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Speaker 1: they they ran the Dennis Shreuter and Jalen Brunson combo,

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Speaker 1: gonna have some dunk opportunities. He's gonna dunk a lot.

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Speaker 1: out to those shooters again? The Knicks an incredible offense,

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Speaker 3: Point shooting for the Pistons is absolutely the X factor

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Speaker 4: So they have two guys. Yeah, who the Pistons after kid?

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Speaker 4: But those guys, you guys said it. I mean they

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Speaker 4: Final four to six weeks he's going to be on

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Speaker 1: He'll be allowed to do that in this series. Jalen

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Speaker 1: The Knicks just have so many freaking options here.

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Speaker 3: Who's the fighter on the Knicks is the question. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, I think the Pistons will try and push

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or you bring off PJ. Tucker for two minutes.

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Speaker 4: I don't think you want to see PJ. Tucker playing too.

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Speaker 2: But I hear you.

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Speaker 4: Another X factor I have is just the Knicks taking

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Speaker 4: Detroit ranks very high in percentage of points coming off

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Speaker 2: Care of the ball. I think they had ten total turnovers.

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Speaker 4: Those other games they lost, it's fifteen plus, right, it's

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Speaker 4: this one. So let's get into the prediction task. You

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Speaker 1: I'm taking the Knicks in seven. I think the Pistons

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Speaker 1: I do think the Pistons are ready to fight, ready

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Speaker 4: For a team that was brutal for five seasons to

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Speaker 2: Taking game seven. Where are you going? Trey?

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Speaker 3: Knicks won fifty one games this year. They're a very

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Speaker 3: And that's me giving the Pistons respect because I want

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Speaker 3: how they punked the Caves back in the day. The

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Speaker 4: Nixon six is the Pigs. I'm with you, Trey, I

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Speaker 4: also have the Knickson six. I am excited about this series.

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Speaker 4: I have been saying since it was a possibility we

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Speaker 4: I do think Detroit will steal one, throw it in

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Speaker 4: it's one one when we go back to Detroit. But

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Speaker 4: ultimately I got new York taking care of business. And look,

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Speaker 4: Detroit, what a year, what a building block with obviously

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Speaker 4: So nix and six for me and Trey Nicks in

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Speaker 4: They had about two out of three people picking the

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Speaker 3: We got sixty three percent Knicks, thirty six percent Piston

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's okay, all right, Let's move on to the

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Speaker 4: Bucks and Pacers. They're set to meet in the first

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Speaker 2: What's one thing you're watching for in this series?

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Speaker 3: I guess the starting lineup. There's still buzz that Damian

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Speaker 3: He's played three total playoff games since twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 3: And that's the question for me. Can Yannis win this

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Speaker 3: average like probably thirty five close to forty points per game,

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Speaker 3: and he's got to have the ball every single time

432
00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,640
Speaker 3: because that's the way they can slow down the Pacers.

433
00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,320
Speaker 3: This is a big pace series. To me, the Bucks

434
00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,879
Speaker 3: do not want to see Indiana running. So a smart

435
00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,040
Speaker 3: thing to do. Give it to your huge guys and

436
00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,440
Speaker 3: take up a whole bunch of time. It's like a

437
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Speaker 3: running back. Just give them the ball three yards, three yards,

438
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,040
Speaker 3: three yards. We're going forward on fourth down. Push push,

439
00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,080
Speaker 3: That's what it's gonna have to be.

440
00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,520
Speaker 2: Toush push, let's go Wow.

441
00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:51,680
Speaker 3: What about the portis push?

442
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 2: Oh that works.

443
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also good. But I think they gotta play slow.

444
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:56,879
Speaker 3: They gotta go to the free throw line. Then Yannis

445
00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,399
Speaker 3: has to make these free throws. They gotta make it ugly,

446
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,919
Speaker 3: otherwise I think the Pacers could run away with it.

447
00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, can't help, but think of football when you think

448
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 1: of these two teams. That was the Tyres Halliburton play

449
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 1: that they set up in the corner to get Jannis

450
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,000
Speaker 1: fell him and hit that game winner earlier.

451
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,879
Speaker 2: It legit ran a football play.

452
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,160
Speaker 1: It's good play. Yeah, it would be Game.

453
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 3: One in Milwaukee if he didn't hit that shot.

454
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, Yeah. These are two similar teams when

455
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,360
Speaker 1: it comes to that long ago. But compared to last year,

456
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,000
Speaker 1: this Bucks team is totally different. I mean they were

457
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,679
Speaker 1: running out some odd lineups last year. They didn't have

458
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,240
Speaker 1: Giannis obviously, but they were starting Patrick Beverley, Chris Middleton,

459
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 1: Bobby Porters had to start, and Damian Lillard, who's not

460
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 1: going to start I assume this series here. So it's

461
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 1: just very, very different. But they lack athleticism, as you

462
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 1: mentioned Tred the Pacers. If they're just going to run

463
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 1: it down the Bucks throats, that's going to be a problem.

464
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 1: Cantorian prints and Brook Lopez and Giannis get back enough,

465
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 1: and that's why they went to it a weird zone

466
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 1: defense to end games. His last week month or so,

467
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 1: with Giannis playing the five, they went ken Port Junior

468
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 1: Gary Trent a j. Green and Bobby Portis zone it

469
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 1: up be as athletic as possible and score enough, and

470
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Speaker 1: it is. It is vastly different. Those guys I just mentioned,

471
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 1: you know a lot of them coming off the bench.

472
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,679
Speaker 1: Last year. That Bucks bench was terrible in this series.

473
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 1: They were so bad. No one had a ten point

474
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,679
Speaker 1: game in the playoffs. Off the bench, like pack Conton

475
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: was playing, Jay Crowder was playing, you know, Danilo Gallinari

476
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 1: was playing. Andre J.

477
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 2: McConnell was like kicking their ass.

478
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Speaker 1: Yes, those guys are freaking oldest the last year. Yeah,

479
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 1: and they're crazy. Yeah, and they're playing zone just to

480
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 1: keep him able to play some defense. Andre Jackson was

481
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,360
Speaker 1: part of the rotation off the bench. Now he's gone.

482
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 2: A J.

483
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Speaker 1: Green was the other guy who's supposedly better, as I mentioned,

484
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,640
Speaker 1: playing those end of game zone defenses. That's what they're

485
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 1: going to go to to try and stop this Pacers team.

486
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 1: And Yannis is going to be playing the five and

487
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 1: just hope because they do look different, the Bucks bench

488
00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 1: does look different. They can't score Ken poor Junior, he's

489
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 1: really good.

490
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 4: Recently offensively, I'm watching Siakam's elbow, which I sort of

491
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 4: had forgotten about. He injured not too long ago, and

492
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 4: it's he's been bad like for the last little bit here,

493
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 4: probably hampered by it his right elbow.

494
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,239
Speaker 2: Scoring like you know, eighteen points per game, can't hit

495
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 2: a three right now, so I don't know what the

496
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 2: impact that's having.

497
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 4: But he needs to be big because he was a

498
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 4: monster in that series last year. He started games one

499
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 4: and two with thirty six and thirty seven points respectively,

500
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 4: and has played well against the Bucks even in the

501
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 4: regular season, despite maybe not winning a lot of these games.

502
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 4: So Siakam is important. I mean, it's the Halliburton gets

503
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 4: like obviously his face on his image on the thumbnails

504
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 4: for this series, but Siakam is an All Star and

505
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 4: has played in a ton of playoff games and has

506
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 4: played well in a ton of playoff games, and is important.

507
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 4: I think for the Pacers to try and repeat what

508
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 4: they did last year going pretty far. So wonder how

509
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 4: bad that hurts or if this was just a sort

510
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 4: of you know, just rest them down the stretch here

511
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 4: and get them ready to go for the postseason.

512
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: X factors in this either side TK, I.

513
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Speaker 3: Think it's all the dice roll guys for the Milwaukee Bucks.

514
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 3: I'm talking about Kevin Porter Junior, Kyle Kuzma, and Gary

515
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 3: Trent Junior. I think the Bucks just need those guys

516
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 3: to hit more often than they don't. They've got so

517
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,959
Speaker 3: many more variance guys than Indiana does, and without Dame Lillard,

518
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 3: which when I'm making my picks and predictions here, I'm like,

519
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 3: I'm factoring in no Lillard on this one.

520
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 4: I mean, like, hold on, if he plays like with

521
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 4: blood thinners, like you're not supposed to travel and stuff

522
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 4: like that, could it be a case where he just

523
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 4: plays maybe in Milwaukee? Is like that a possibility?

524
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 3: I guess it's not a very long car drive.

525
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true, just jump five hours.

526
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

527
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I'm with you, though, I'm I don't think

528
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 4: he's gonna play same.

529
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 3: I'm assuming he's not gonna play what I'm factoring in this,

530
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 3: which is why in specifically Kevin Porter Junior is like

531
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 3: a huge player. I think in this series for Milwaukee,

532
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 3: he could win you a quarter, but they might need

533
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 3: him to win several quarters. He's so up and down,

534
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 3: but he's a good athlete. He's a good creator with

535
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 3: the ball in his hands and the but the Pacers

536
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 3: will do everything they can to stop Jiannis and live

537
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 3: with anybody else, and he's the guy I think that

538
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 3: most likely to be able to create something when plays breakdown.

539
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 3: I guess Portis is a little bit like that as well,

540
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 3: but he's a masher sort of player, just like Brook

541
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 3: Lopez is. So Lopez and Portis got to play well,

542
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 3: but I think they need to have like a surprisingly

543
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 3: great series from Kevin Porter Jr.

544
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Speaker 1: Yeah, as far as the Defenders go without Damian Lillard

545
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: in there, you're starting Ryan Rolds most likely, and he's

546
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: a decent defensive player. He's going to be guarding Tyersallimurton,

547
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: so that's better than what happened last year in this series.

548
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: Kyle Kuzma is probably going to be guarding Pascal Siakam.

549
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: It's better than the options they had last year. Thrown

550
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: out Bobby Portis last year a lot at him, So

551
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: I think defensively they should be better. Wait, it's such

552
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: a questionable team because Indiana just kicked their ass running

553
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: fast breakpoints. They're plus fifty two in last year's series

554
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: and that just killed him. So will they be able

555
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 1: to get back is the biggest question. And then yeah,

556
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: they're probably going to go to Kevin Porter Junior to

557
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: end games a lot. It's it is, yeah, high variable players.

558
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: You get some good, you can get some real bad

559
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: amongst the KPJ and Gary Trent and AJ Green. There's

560
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: so many of those guys. Ken por Junior those numbers

561
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: to end the season, he's playing great, there's no doubt.

562
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: Last five games twenty points, six boards, six assists, fifty

563
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: to forty four from the floor, fifty percent from the field,

564
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: forty four percent for three And that's just five games,

565
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,479
Speaker 1: and I think that's nothing. But the last fifteen games

566
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: thirteen almost five boards and four assists on thirty nine

567
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: from the three point line and forty eight from the

568
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: field overall. Yeah, the question is can these guys come

569
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 1: through in the playoffs. That's a fair question. There's just

570
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: so many high variable players.

571
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 4: And we think of the Pacers as run and gun

572
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 4: and an awesome offensive team, and they are that like

573
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 4: top ten in the league overall, and if even turn

574
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,479
Speaker 4: it on as a late but like once they got

575
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 4: Nie Smith back, once they got Andrew Nemhard back, they're

576
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 4: actually like a pretty solid defense too. Like those guys

577
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 4: are elite defenders. So I can't wait to see them

578
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 4: trying off some of these box players. But you know,

579
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 4: it comes down to what you said at the beginning.

580
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 4: I think Trey, it's like it does feel like it's

581
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 4: Yannis versus a very deep Pacers team that have a

582
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 4: lot of guys who we should note have also Benedict Mathrin.

583
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 4: Now they didn't have him in last year's playoffs.

584
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 2: He is there. You know, he's a guy that like

585
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: lives at the line.

586
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 4: He gets there, so he puts pressure on the other team,

587
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 4: gets him into foul trouble it and that's where he goes.

588
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 4: So they've like just got so many guys, the Pacers.

589
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 4: But can Yannis like just be like the the example

590
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 4: of well, don't overthink it. When it comes to a series,

591
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 4: who's got the better player, the better superstar, it's them,

592
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 4: And no one would deny that. The Pacers wouldn't deny that,

593
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 4: The Pacers fans wouldn't deny that.

594
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 2: But is that enough?

595
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,239
Speaker 4: And what like what can he what does he need

596
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 4: to put up? Like you're saying it's got to be

597
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 4: thirty five forty in at least four of these games.

598
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 3: I mean he average thirty a game for the season,

599
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 3: So sure, go up. Yeah, he has to go up.

600
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know prediction. Where are you going?

601
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 3: We've barely talked about Tyre's halliburtn at all in this series.

602
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 3: Pacers are twenty five and three. When that guy scores

603
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 3: twenty or more points. He was awesome the second half

604
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 3: of the season. He might make a run in an

605
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: All NBA team And and I don't necessarily know that

606
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: the Bucks have a great matchup for him Rollins, maybe

607
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 3: he's a little small prince. I think we'll get a

608
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: lot of time on him as well. But I think

609
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 3: it's going to be a Pacers series here. I think

610
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: this one, this one feels like a toss up if

611
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: Lillard is playing to me. But no Lillard, I'm going

612
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 3: Pacers in six.

613
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, this is a tough call. I find it

614
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: hard to bet against Mike Countryman Unstatakupo losing for the

615
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Bucks three straight times in the first round is

616
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: It's just hard to imagine. But yeah, the Damian Lillard

617
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: factor is a factor. And I wonder if this Ryan Rollins,

618
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: Kyle Kuzma versus Tyres Halbern Pascal Siakam is a bit

619
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: of a bonus for them. Just if you Ice can

620
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: carry them offensively really, but defensively at least they know

621
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: what they're doing. And then they're gonna throw out again

622
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: a zone to really finish games. I think Doc Rivers

623
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: is gonna be pulling that baby out. So I'm betting

624
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: on Giannis. It's tough. It's tough in this matchup. To

625
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: see this Pacers team that was freaking rolling you forty

626
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: and seventeen their last fifty seven games, it's freaking awesome.

627
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: And to add in Benedict Mathern, like you said, that's

628
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: that's a freaking great team. But I'm taking Yannis. I'm

629
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: taking them in seven to win in Indiana. Wow, okay,

630
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: why not? I mean it is a quick trip. As

631
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: you're talking about Damian Lillar getting in the car, it

632
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: feels like a home.

633
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: Game five hours, a quick trip.

634
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's a quick long trip.

635
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: A quick long trip.

636
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can stop at quick Trip for some snack

637
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: sh on the ride.

638
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: So you're going. But yeah, in seven.

639
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: When it in Indiana, isn't it.

640
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 4: Something like Janis's Bucks have won one playoff series since

641
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: the championship.

642
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: Yes, why that must be twenty two?

643
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 4: Crazy to think of success and he obviously hasn't been there,

644
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 4: and some of them were banged up in some of it.

645
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 4: But that's crazy, all right. I like that we're a

646
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 4: little different here with tak taking the Pacers.

647
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: You got the Bucks.

648
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 4: I am going Pacers in seven. So I think it's

649
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 4: gonna be a very long series, but I'll take that

650
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 4: home court advantage for Indiana in game seven. And I

651
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 4: just think over the course of the series that that

652
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 4: depth and more guys in Siakam and Halliburton. We didn't

653
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 4: even mention Miles Turner Can, who's played really well this season.

654
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 4: In all honesty, that depth is just gonna out class

655
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 4: Johannest really, and then these supporting players, like you're telling

656
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 4: me Kevin Porter junior has got to be important. He does,

657
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 4: and he does, agree Kuzma, he does. Championship Yeah, like

658
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 4: even Bobby Porter's junior.

659
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: But last year their depth was stinky.

660
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: Jannis were out.

661
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he literally played part of it. Yeah, And so

662
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: Jannis gets in there. Yeah, so their depth is way better.

663
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: It's better, But I'm just sies.

664
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: Their depth was very bad last year and so it's

665
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: questionable this year. But it can't get worse. Then they're

666
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: guys off the bench a pack On and Jake Rowder,

667
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: Danilo Gallinari Andre Jackson. They weren't scoring.

668
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think both both teams are better than

669
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 4: the last what we saw last year. This is true

670
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 4: the way Pacers have played recently, and of course obviously

671
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 4: the Bucks having their guys back at Leasia on it.

672
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: So I got Pacers and seven what do the people say?

673
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: It's on tough fun where they going?

674
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: The people are saying fifty four percent for the Indiana Pacers.

675
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: Okay, so very tight almost okay.

676
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 3: Just never adds exciting. Four hours and forty three minutes

677
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 3: from Milwaukee to Indiana. Oh okay, wait a second, this

678
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 3: just went to Indiana Indianapolis. Looks like it's a little

679
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 3: bit longer.

680
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: You just hit the border.

681
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: I got in Indiana. Po list, Wait, how's it faster?

682
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: That doesn't make sense? Goes far east? Four hours and

683
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: nineteen minutes via I sixty five. Okay, what are the

684
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 3: boring's highways to drive on I sixty five through Indiana?

685
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

686
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: Just nothing, Yeah there is nothing. There's corn corn. Yeah,

687
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: there's more than just corn in Indiana. Shout out to

688
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: Indiana Beach. But you don't see any of it when

689
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: you're driving.

690
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,959
Speaker 1: On I sixty five. I believe it. I've only been

691
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: there once, got on that highway even there was nothing.

692
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 4: All right, Well, we don't think Lillard's playing, but maybe

693
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 4: he'll be driving through cornfields.

694
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: We'll see.

695
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 4: Let's hear your predictions. Obviously drop them in the YouTube

696
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 4: comments below for Pacers Bucks. Okay, we got some news

697
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 4: to talk about. After missing the NBA postseason with the

698
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 4: largest payroll in league history, the Suns fired head coach

699
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: Mike Budenholzer on Monday. Everybody, make your bud face. Competing

700
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 4: at the highest level remains our goal, and we failed

701
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 4: to meet expectations this season, the team said in a statement.

702
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 4: Our fans deserve better. Change is needed. Also said in

703
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 4: that statement, Trey, how surprised were you that Bud got

704
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 4: canned after one season?

705
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: Zero person surprised. We heard that David Griffin was let go,

706
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: and we're like, is anybody else going to be let

707
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: go by by the time for tomorrow's show, And instantly

708
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: it was yeah, Bud, they just haven't done their post season,

709
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: you know, press conference stuff because they're on the West coast.

710
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: So once they finally got to it, of course he

711
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: was fired. That's just how it goes. And Phoenix, it

712
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: didn't work with Mike Budenholzer. He was supposed to come

713
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: in fix the defense and make the offense a little

714
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 3: bit more cohesive. Everything actually got worse.

715
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: On that side.

716
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 3: They somehow got worse on defense. And then you've basically

717
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 3: heard for the past month, including yesterday, all of the

718
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: drama that was in the locker room for the Phoenix Suns.

719
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: It was like he asked Bradley to Beal to play

720
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: like Drew Holliday, and Bradley Bial didn't want to hear that. Yeah,

721
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: don't disrespect me by asking.

722
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 4: Me to play like another player, like a champion who's better.

723
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 3: There was also apparently beef between Kevin Durant and Bradley Beal.

724
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 3: You know, Beal wants to be there. They don't want

725
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: him to be there. Kevin Durant doesn't want to be there,

726
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: but also didn't want to be traded where he wanted.

727
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: Now he's going to be traded for whatever reason. Mike

728
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: Budenholzer played Bowl Bowl twenty minutes a game for twenty

729
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: straight games. That was when he was trying to get fired.

730
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 3: But apparently they just had to wait till the end

731
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 3: of the season, So I don't necessarily think it was

732
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 3: Bud's fault that the team was a disaster, but he

733
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: definitely didn't make it any better.

734
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: No, no.

735
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 4: And in February, remember Chris Haynes reported that budenholes are

736
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 4: called Devin Booker into his office and he told the

737
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 4: Star Guard, hey, man, you're being too vocal on the

738
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 4: court and during timeouts, and I guess Bud asked Booker, hey,

739
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 4: could you just chill out a little bit? And Booker

740
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 4: found that shocking, I think, sort of rightfully. So I'm

741
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 4: trying to like sort of lead the guys here and

742
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 4: you're asking me to like chill.

743
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: They both downplayed that incident. I remember we talked.

744
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 4: About at the time, But like the writings sort of

745
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 4: on the wall there, you're losing everybody here, nobody, And

746
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 4: there are reports people that are close to this team

747
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 4: that Bootenholzer just did not really get.

748
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: Along with anyone or people sort of tuned him out

749
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: and did not like him all that much. Now is

750
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: it his fault they were bad?

751
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 3: Nah?

752
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: Probably not, because how many coaches can we just keep

753
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: doing here?

754
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? This team, Yeah, the locker room just stinks in general.

755
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: I think this is the worst scenario in the NBA

756
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: really for a couple of reasons, because of what they

757
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: put in that locker room, in the players, and simultaneously

758
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: what's happening with the CBA. I mean, they flashback here

759
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 1: two years ago. They had the Kevin Durant Devin Booker

760
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: trip to the second round. That was all right. In

761
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: the first year them along with Chris Paul. The most

762
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: important part, actually, I should mention, they go to the

763
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 1: second round. They lose to the eventual champs, the Denver Nuggets, Right, yeah, decent.

764
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: Chris Paul got hurt in that series. Then they come

765
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: out of that season they say, you know what, we're

766
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: going to trade for Bradley Beal. We're gonna give it

767
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: Chris Paul and everything we got, every single draft pick

768
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: we got. They traded so many picks for Bradley Beal

769
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: for a guy who they asked to play like Drew Holliday.

770
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: He got to play like Drew Holliday. I mean, he's

771
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: just not gonna play like Drew Holiday. He's not going

772
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: to be a defensive player. He's not going to be

773
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: a great point guard as we saw. So there's just

774
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: a big mistake there in terms of who they got

775
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: and how much they gave up. So now, along with

776
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: the CBA, that limits you a lot. When you're paying

777
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: everybody so much money and you've given away every single

778
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: draft pick. I mean, they've really just messed up the

779
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: whole scenario there like no other team can. I mean,

780
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: it was a bad simultaneous thing to happen when the

781
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: CBA was signed and they trade for they traded Bradley

782
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: Beal and give away everything. I mean, they really can't.

783
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: They can't do anything. They're paying all those guys so

784
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: much money. It's just handcuffs what they can do in

785
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: terms of trades, and they've given him every single draft pick.

786
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, blame Bud like you blame Frank Vogel last year. Sure,

787
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: but really, I mean the front office has to be blamed.

788
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: And there's reports that they may keep James Jones around,

789
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: whose contract is coming up here at the end of June.

790
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: But really, I mean it starts even higher. It starts

791
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: with Ishbia making these decisions. I mean, the Kevin Durant

792
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 1: trade right when he got there. Okay, that was fine

793
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: again a second round appearance, but then going and get

794
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: bial for everything you got. Yeah, I was wrong about

795
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: that deal because I thought Beal would help, but what

796
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: they gave up was a ginormous mistake.

797
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

798
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 4: Do you think James Jones survives here? I mean he's

799
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 4: been there for a long time. I think since twenty seventeen,

800
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 4: maybe twenty nineteen. He's been in a lead role. And

801
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 4: like you said, the athletic reporting will wait to find

802
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 4: out his fate, whether he actually gets another contract extension.

803
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 4: But what do you think he did? He did, but

804
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 4: he did build this team. He was the architect of

805
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 4: these trades or exactly.

806
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 3: I mean that's why he might, yeah, continue to survive

807
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 3: because it doesn't actually feel like James Jones is the

808
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: one calling the shots, but he'll take the shots from

809
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 3: the press. This feels like a matt Ishbia team and

810
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 3: he's the one making the calls. Are you like you're

811
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: letting James Jones pick another coach. It's not. He's not

812
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: the guy that picks the coach. That's whoever matt Ishbia wants. Yeah,

813
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: so he'll probably say it's going to have yes men around.

814
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 4: Maybe this will be the what fourth time in the

815
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 4: last four seasons they're doing a coaching search.

816
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: There I think Devin Booker's eighth coach will be that

817
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 3: is in still in Phoenix.

818
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: Yes, right, he's played what eleven seasons? Yeah, maybe a

819
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: time leading score. That's crazy different coaches, It's a lot

820
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: that's crazy.

821
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: It feels like if you're going to get a new coach,

822
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna just trade Kevin Durant and try and

823
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: get young parts to work around Devin Booker to be

824
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: this new team. Again, I mentioned Chris Paul. They need

825
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: that kind of player around Devin Booker. I think that's clear.

826
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: They need somebody to run the show, be vocal on

827
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: the court. Even though Mike Budenholzer reportedly doesn't like that,

828
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: you need somebody to run the locker room because it

829
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: just was not working with Durant and Booker.

830
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 4: I still think it is so so funny that the

831
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 4: Sun started eight and one, they were like.

832
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: One of the hottest to you know, one eighth of

833
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 2: the season.

834
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 4: They were on fire, and then Durant went down with

835
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 4: the cast strain and it really knocked that team into

836
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 4: a tailspin and they never really fully recovered. Right like

837
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 4: when when Katie played, It's not amazing they were thirty

838
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 4: three and twenty nine, But at least it's a plus

839
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 4: five hundred. And then when they were when he wasn't

840
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 4: out there, they were garbage.

841
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they could barely.

842
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: Win and they got to Yeah, thirty three. It's fine.

843
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: Obviously he is an incredible offense, but he had an

844
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: incredible season. He was damn good. So they can beat

845
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: you with points. But then the other end, it was laughable. Yeah,

846
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: watching them, they didn't care.

847
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 3: They didn't care.

848
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 4: No, So do we think Ishbia I wonder what he

849
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 4: does here? Like does he go get a big name coach?

850
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 4: I mean a couple are obviously available after getting canned,

851
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 4: or is it lean into more of an up and comer,

852
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 4: a new voice, a younger guy. You trade Kevin Durant,

853
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 4: you do whatever else you can, you maybe try to

854
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 4: keep it. Booker like, what's I don't know, where would

855
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 4: you go if you were running the Phoenix Suns.

856
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 3: Well, if I was running the Phoenix Suns, I would

857
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: trade everybody possible, Devin Booker included, Yeah, that's what I

858
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: would do. I don't think that's what's gonna happen. I

859
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 3: think they'll go after a younger coach like I think

860
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: John Gambadoro very plugged in and Phoenix was saying that

861
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 3: Taylor Jenkins and Michael Malone, two guys who just got

862
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 3: let go very successful, they're not really going to be

863
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: options for the Sons. They're looking for somebody on the

864
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: younger end of things. I guess Willie Green is a

865
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: potential candidate for them, depending on what ends up happening

866
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 3: with New Orleans, though it feels like they want to

867
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 3: keep him. Gambadora also said Beal's not gonna play another

868
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: game for the Suns. I don't know how that's gonna happen.

869
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: Nobody wants to trade for him. We just saw that

870
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 3: by him. You're gonna stretch the last two years, turn

871
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 3: your two year problem into a five year problem. Sounds

872
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 3: like something the Sons would do.

873
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a bad idea, but I think

874
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: for Matt Ishbia, he would be willing to take some chances.

875
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: Like yeah maybe so, Yeah, maybe so. But uh, they

876
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 3: need to completely clean house and basically start over to

877
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 3: rebuild it, because building around Booker at like what, he's

878
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 3: twenty eight now, he's almost twenty nine. It ain't happening

879
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 3: for him. In Phoenix, he had his shot with Chris Paul,

880
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 3: they went to the finals, they almost went back to

881
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 3: the finals the next year, and then it was over,

882
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 3: so they should completely start over. But more than likely

883
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: it'll be Durant out figuring out whatever happens with Beal.

884
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 3: Wouldn't be a surprise if he's back because he gets

885
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 3: to call the shots with where he wants to be

886
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: because wow, he got a no trade clause. Bradley Beal

887
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: has a no trade clause, and Lebron James that's it.

888
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 3: So it's gonna be Booker, It's probably gonna be and

889
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 3: whichever coach they fire next summer.

890
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, most likely, Yeah, it's it's very likely. Ishba says

891
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: that we're going to try and work around Devin Booker.

892
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: So we're going to trade Kevin Durant for young guys

893
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: and draft picks because we don't have any, so that

894
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: would be ideal to have those. That's what it sure

895
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: feels like. Who wants to coach there? That's a different

896
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: question because it is a a tumultuous situation. Which coach

897
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: wants that?

898
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, Bud did get a five year,

899
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 4: fifty million dollar contract. Yeah, but then he just got

900
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 4: fired after one year and you still get paid.

901
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, she only lives, speaking of hours away from the city,

902
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: he only lives where he's from, just north of Phoenix,

903
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: like less than three hours away.

904
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 4: Oh, he remember his press conference, he was pumped to

905
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 4: be coaching the Suns coming back obviously to Arizona.

906
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

907
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 4: The difficulty with the Suns and the start over like

908
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 4: game plan, I'm with you. It's they don't have their

909
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 4: own picks, and it is extremely, extremely difficult to start

910
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 4: anything over when you don't have your own picks. It

911
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 4: is so like that's why you keep going, like they've

912
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 4: got to get their picks back, as with the Houston

913
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 4: Rockets owning a majority of them, and it's like maybe

914
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 4: they will, maybe that will be the Kadi or maybe

915
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 4: the Booker. I think sort of TVD on how the

916
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 4: Rockets fair here in the postseason and decisions they make

917
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 4: moving forward.

918
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: I don't think the Rockets should trade the Suns picks

919
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 3: for Kevin Durant. They should do it for Booker Booker

920
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: Booker for sure. Yeah, but Katie's not going to get

921
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: back what they traded for him at this point. He

922
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 3: had a good season, still an elite scorer, still a

923
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: great defender, but his teams haven't been winning very much lately. Yeah,

924
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 3: so he's not gonna get quite the same return.

925
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: I don't believe.

926
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: No, Yeah.

927
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

928
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: And the Rockets, it's a possibility that they call Phoenix.

929
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: And what's hilarious is that they have a pick swap

930
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: this coming draft. I don't really get into pick swaps,

931
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: but when you see somebody can use a pick swap

932
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: because Phoenix is so bad and they get it and

933
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: they can use it immediately. That was a weird three

934
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: team deal that they got a pick swap. They got

935
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: Phoenix's pick and now they get to use it. Smart

936
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: stuff there in Houston's front office.

937
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Phoenix the only team that's their season is done.

938
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 3: They're not in the draft lottery and they are not

939
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 3: in the postseason. Every other team has stuff going on.

940
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where they're like, damn, we gotta do something.

941
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: Well, coach man, we get some headlines for a couple

942
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 2: of days.

943
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 4: All right, let's talk about the Pelicans because they fired

944
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 4: basketball operations chief David Griffin on Monday. Team governor Gail

945
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 4: Benson announced the news in a statement, saying it was

946
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 4: time for a fresh approach in New Orleans. ESPN reports

947
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 4: that The Pels appear set to hire Joe Dumars to

948
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 4: run basketball ops, with a deal expected to be finalized

949
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 4: by the end of the week. So you know, VP

950
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 4: of basketball Operations, David Griffin out Joe Dumars, possibly in

951
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 4: I guess he's tired of being the principal of the

952
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 4: league scolding Beef stew every couple of months, because that

953
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 4: is his job in the front office of the NBA.

954
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 2: He obviously was in charge of the Pistons for a

955
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: very long time.

956
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: Damn it. We talked to him too late. We had

957
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: him on the show a mere months ago. Yeah, we

958
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: could have asked him, you want this Pelican's job. I

959
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: wonder what he would have said. I guess he's looking

960
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: for It's it's a very interesting situation. First of all,

961
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: don't trade for Johntay Murray. Last two gms that trade

962
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: for Johntay Murray, they get axed. Our man, Travis Schlink

963
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: in Atlanta acted here, David Griffin. It's such an interesting

964
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: scenario because if Zion Williamson plays, if he plays basketball

965
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 1: under David Griffin, he doesn't get fired.

966
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: He plays in sixty six percent of the games.

967
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: Even that's right, that's a good number. Sure, there's no

968
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: way David Griffin's fired If Zion Williams did is somewhat

969
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: healthy because the guys, the team he built around Zion Wilmson.

970
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: It makes sense, it makes logical sense. But this scenario,

971
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: I suppose it does make sense now to get new

972
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: eyes in that front office, just to look at the

973
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: whole thing differently. And you mentioned off the top potentially

974
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: trading Zion Wimson or or or waving Zion Wimson. I

975
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: threw that. I know.

976
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 3: It's some news from Shown's that Joe Dumars is signing

977
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 3: and finalizing that deal, like right.

978
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: Now, Joe, come on the show.

979
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent. Joe dumar is going back to Louisiana.

980
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 4: Baby went to McNeese State, which I just found out

981
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 4: during Much.

982
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: Madness is in Louisiana.

983
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah wow, They Okay, that should be his first move.

984
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 3: They should sign a mere Kant to be there.

985
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:25,919
Speaker 1: Vibes got guy vibes.

986
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: Guy, he got bad vibes.

987
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: They got the worst vibes.

988
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 3: Have good vibes, but the overarching vibes. I think I

989
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 3: could date a day. It could be good.

990
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we need him.

991
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: They need the aura get rid of baby cake guy.

992
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 3: King cake Baby. It's time for him, time for him

993
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 3: out of here. Yeah.

994
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a great.

995
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: That's a good trade, baby.

996
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 2: Kin Cake Baby.

997
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

998
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 4: So the Pelicans did hire Griffin back in April twenty nineteen,

999
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 4: it's a long time ago. His first four months on

1000
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 4: the job, he drafted Zion Williamson with the number one pick.

1001
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 4: I mean they did win that, and then he traded

1002
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 4: obviously Anthony Davis to the Lakers for brandon Ingram, Josh Hart,

1003
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 4: Lonzo Ball, and then three first round picks. One of

1004
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 4: those picks was the number four pick of that twenty

1005
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 4: nineteen draft, which he turned around and flipped into the

1006
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 4: number eight pick, which.

1007
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: They took Jackson Hayes with. So that was a bit

1008
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: of a miss. But overall, do you think griff did

1009
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: a good job drafting TK?

1010
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 4: And this is a just a part of like if

1011
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 4: Zion plays, he you know, obviously has more success and

1012
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 4: is maybe still there and he sort of got the

1013
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 4: short end of the stick, or what do you think

1014
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 4: or is he overrated?

1015
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 3: To be honest, I think everything you said is true.

1016
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 3: I think every part of it is accurate. Like David

1017
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 3: Griffin did a great job of drafting. Getting Trey Murphy

1018
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: laid in the first round is huge, Finding Jose Alvarado huge.

1019
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 3: You're taking Zion Williamson with the number one pick. Eve's

1020
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 3: Mezie looks like a solid player. Jones, he drafted Diyson

1021
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 3: Daniels like he drafted a lot of good guys. I

1022
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 3: kind of disagree. I don't think the team fits great

1023
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 3: around Zion Williamson, but also you didn't know exactly how

1024
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 3: you were building around him. But ultimately he's paying the price.

1025
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 3: David Griffin is for Zion's lack of availability. When Zion plays,

1026
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 3: they're over five hundred, one nine and one oh five.

1027
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: That's not great, but he's also played in less than

1028
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 3: fifty percent of the Pelican games since he got there.

1029
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 3: The assets are good, the fit's okay, but the team

1030
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 3: is still built around a guy that you just can't

1031
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 3: rely on being there. So I think you factor in

1032
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 3: the Pelicans disappointing this season. The way things have gone

1033
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 3: with Zion, you just kind of have to move on,

1034
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 3: which makes me think maybe Joe Dumars will move on

1035
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: from Zion going forward. I wonder if that's why they

1036
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 3: bring them in. They're like, look, David Griffin and Zion.

1037
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 3: You came to the team together, you're tied together. Your

1038
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 3: fates are kind of intertwined. So I wonder if now

1039
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 3: we're getting Joe Dumars in here to clean things up,

1040
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: just like he did with the All Star Game.

1041
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 2: I was waiting for that.

1042
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: I think that's what it was.

1043
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 3: It was like, somebody's offering me something besides trying to

1044
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 3: talk these guys into playing hard at the All Star Game.

1045
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 3: I'll do anything. I'll go work for New Orleans.

1046
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll take you.

1047
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: No, don't get him involved in marketing. I take it

1048
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: all back. Don't get him involved in marketing because the

1049
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: problem with the NBA All Star Game was marketing. I mean,

1050
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: that wasn't his fault, but all those freaking shows that

1051
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: were happening during the NBA All Star Game that was rough.

1052
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 4: Is there a Zion Williamson trade then that you see

1053
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 4: a team that like could talk themselves into trading for him,

1054
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 4: who has a couple of years left on his steel,

1055
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 4: you know, obviously an elite talent when he plays, But man,

1056
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 4: it's a hell of a risk if you're doing that.

1057
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: So I don't know what the return would be.

1058
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought about Zion trades there are how about that?

1059
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: So they got a top six pick. Literally, who's gonna

1060
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 3: play tonight?

1061
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: We'll see. Yeah, that's a crazy part.

1062
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 4: Like Zion Williamson, Brandon Ingram and then de Jontey Murray,

1063
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 4: Like those guys three All stars at certain points of

1064
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 4: their career, they never played a single minute together this season,

1065
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 4: Dude to all the various injuries, all the various ailments,

1066
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 4: Like I mean, at that point, you're like, what are

1067
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 4: you gonna do? And then addition to all the other

1068
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 4: injuries for their other guys like Trader for the third

1069
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 4: Herbs Jones and stuff like.

1070
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: That, and a very near All Star in CJ. McCollum,

1071
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: and you know, you keep going down. There's there's good

1072
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 1: guys on that roster. Yeah, but I think Joe Dumars

1073
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: comes in and says, guys like c J McCollum, we

1074
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: have to we just got to reposition this team.

1075
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 2: CJ McCollum needs to be gone immediately.

1076
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 4: And then like that's not I'm not crapping on him,

1077
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 4: but like at this point of his career, like I

1078
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 4: should be a six man on a good team. That

1079
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 4: should be his role. He's a horrible defender. He's a

1080
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 4: liability out there. You move, you make that move, and

1081
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 4: I think it is Joe Dumars come in and trade

1082
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 4: Zion Wimson so we can start to get into that

1083
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 4: maybe as the weeks go on, but start coming up

1084
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 4: with those packages.

1085
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: I think that's I think they have to like they

1086
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 2: have to explore it, to explore it.

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Speaker 4: And I guess the other thing Griffin did, like the

1088
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 4: coaches wise, he had Elvin Gentry and then he pivoted

1089
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 4: from him and he had like the disaster of stan

1090
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 4: Vyan and Gundy that was that was probably like a

1091
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 4: you know, a black guy on his resume there in

1092
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 4: the Pelicans. He fired him after one year, and I

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00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 4: guess it's been Willie Green since, and by all accounts,

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00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 4: he is going to keep this job, maybe until the

1095
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 4: new GM comes in or a new you know, head

1096
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 4: of basketball operations and gets his own guy.

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00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: Maybe gets a year, right, I guess you could see.

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00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 3: That trial year. Yeah, but usually a front office likes

1099
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 3: to pick their coach. But there have been rumors from

1100
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 3: will Gillery and others that Willie Green is gonna be

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00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: safe and maybe Zion isn't. I do think Joe Dumars

1102
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 3: is a weird choice for the GM built a great team,

1103
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 3: no doubt about it. The second iteration of the bad

1104
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 3: boy Pistons that won the championship, and then as soon

1105
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 3: as they won a championship, basically everything was a disaster. Yeah,

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00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 3: starting with drafting Darko number two.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget Charlie Villanueva. Yeah that was good. Ben Gordon

1108
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 1: not so good.

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00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 4: And he was there until like Josh Smith, like he

1110
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 4: made ridiculous Oh he did moves after winning the champions

1111
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 4: Yeah time, which was twenty years ago.

1112
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Speaker 2: I was just gonna say. And he was there like forever.

1113
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was there from two thousand to twenty fourteen

1114
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 4: with the Detroit Pistons franchise. He does feel like at

1115
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 4: times a little outdated for sure, maybe how he goes.

1116
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: About approaching the team, But he's gonna he just wants

1117
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 2: to get back to Louisiana. Baby.

1118
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: Everybody.

1119
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: It's all about going home in the NBA, ultimately, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Uh So, anyway, we'll get into Zion Williamson potential trades,

1121
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 4: I Gues, I don't know, Brooklyn or some other desperate

1122
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 4: team I don't know. As we get into the weeks

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Speaker 4: here moving forward, we got some other news here just quickly.

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00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 4: The Sixers are retaining President of basketball Operations Daryl Moury

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Speaker 4: and head coach Nick Nurse.

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Speaker 2: According to Daryl Moray, that's my favorite part of this.

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00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 4: Hey, we're keeping me and we're keeping him. Maury said

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Speaker 4: this on Sunday. He's doing sort of his end of

1129
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 4: season press conferences. Rumors about their job security were swirling

1130
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 4: a little bit in the wake of a disappointing season

1131
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 4: for Philly, but ownership is apparently going to give them

1132
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 4: the duo here another shot next season. So they were

1133
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 4: just like the Pelicans at least destroyed by injuries to

1134
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 4: embiedd to Paul George, then eventually Tyrese Maxie. But they're

1135
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 4: gonna get another chance. Were you shocked at all by

1136
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 4: this or do you think it's fair?

1137
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I was a little surprised, just because I

1138
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 3: thought Nick Nurse in particular was more in the crosshairs

1139
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 3: than Darryl Mory would be. But with the way the

1140
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 3: Philadelphia season went, all the injuries, not knowing who's actually

1141
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 3: gonna be available to play, I think understandable that Nurse

1142
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 3: would get another chance. Also, Darryl Mory is a really

1143
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 3: good drafter and the Sixers have a good draft pick

1144
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 3: this year, so I think that's important. They'll have better

1145
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 3: continuity next year. They did last summer was the cap

1146
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 3: space plan they changed over. Basically everybody outside of Embiid

1147
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 3: Maxi and ubre I Guess was around as well, stayed

1148
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 3: in the rotation, but everything else around it changed. So

1149
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: they're hoping for better continuity next year. They're also hoping

1150
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 3: for better health first and foremost next year, and like

1151
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 3: Mary mentioned, they got to get younger. Jared McCain was

1152
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 3: a great find. Justin Edwards has been a pretty solid

1153
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 3: like silver lining, I think for this season for the

1154
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 3: Sixers year, Like Okay, that guy can be in the

1155
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 3: rotation going forward. Adan Bona, he's a decent backup. So

1156
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 3: I think it makes sense from Mary's perspective to like

1157
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 3: chase after guys who were going to be able to

1158
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 3: carry you when embid and when Paul George inevitably missed time,

1159
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 3: They're gonna miss games. There ain't no way these guys

1160
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 3: are playing back to backs going forward. But they have

1161
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 3: to have a commitment to try and play going forward,

1162
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 3: and they have to be able to have a backup

1163
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 3: who isn't Eric Gordon who was like ten years past

1164
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 3: his prime, Kyle Lowry who was somehow still holding on

1165
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 3: the Yeah, have guys who can do stuff.

1166
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 4: It was interesting to hear Maury basically acknowledge his mistakes, right.

1167
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 4: He admitted, like, I think I got into the problem

1168
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 4: of looking too far ahead, looking at the postseason, thinking

1169
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 4: we need experienced guys, we need veteran guys like all

1170
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 4: those guys you just named, but forgot about the eighty

1171
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 4: two games to get you there. And it turns out

1172
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 4: it's helpful to have some youthful energy guys that play

1173
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 4: obviously can bring it over the long rigor season of

1174
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 4: the regular season. And so yeah, he admitted that, and

1175
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 4: he says next year we're going to be younger, more

1176
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 4: dynamic and go from there. But we'll see if they

1177
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 4: keep their pick too. I guess they have a sixty

1178
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 4: four percent chance of likely keeping their pick.

1179
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: Yes, all that losing sure help that prospect of keeping

1180
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: that losing streak.

1181
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was impressive.

1182
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: It was Yeah. Nick Nurse was trying to get them

1183
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: to win. He will, he was trying, so I have

1184
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: support Nick Nurse. Coming back to Darryl Moury speaking of

1185
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: trying to get young, means they're not trading for Zion Williamson.

1186
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: They're not training for her guys that are old anymore.

1187
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: I mean they basically set up a team like Kyle

1188
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 1: Lowry and Eric Gordon and Kershan Yabuseli to support those

1189
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: big guys, the big names who obviously floundered. Unfortunately, they

1190
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: just they couldn't play basketball. So that's great. Darryl Murray

1191
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: will go younger because they do neathism. They need guys

1192
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: who will play basketball essentially.

1193
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they have a ten point five percent chance

1194
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 4: at the number one pick. That's how you get younger. Yeah,

1195
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 4: you win the lottery. Cooper Flay throw in the draft

1196
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 4: that would help.

1197
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,959
Speaker 3: So Zion's only twenty four the start.

1198
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: Wow, that's crazy. It feels he feels like five years older.

1199
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: To me, he feels like twenty nine.

1200
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's still young. A great line from David Aldridge

1201
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 3: writing about Moriyan Nurse coming back. I didn't know this.

1202
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 3: This is about nineteen seventies. Darryl Mory brought back memories

1203
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 3: of the franchise as Mia Kolpa after the nineteen seventy

1204
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 3: seven season, when the team featuring Doctor J and George McInnis.

1205
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 3: Failed to deliver the championship, the Sixers started using the

1206
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 3: phrase we owe you one in commercials promoting the next season.

1207
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 4: We owe you one, bring it back. That's good, yeah,

1208
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 4: but also kind of like, yeah, we sucks. Yeah, yeah,

1209
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 4: I mean, are bad Sixers twenty five?

1210
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? But are they also saying lot worry we'll win

1211
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: a championship in five years because of those Sixers they

1212
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: did win three. So yeah, I owe you one.

1213
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

1214
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 4: They owe you two and I mean two playoff round

1215
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 4: series wins. That's what the Sixers and Beatles. Oh yes, yes,

1216
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 4: he's never done that.

1217
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned David Aldridge. You see Andre Drummond seeing

1218
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: David Aldridge and saying, wow, man, I see you on

1219
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: two k all the time. I was pretty flying.

1220
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: And didn't Aldridge make a joke like skip me or

1221
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: don't skip me here?

1222
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't because yeah.

1223
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 2: That was very funny. He got excited about all you're

1224
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 2: a real life guy, all right.

1225
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1226
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 3: Also Joel and b just had surgery on his knee.

1227
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't forget.

1228
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Maury gave him the contract, the massive contract,

1229
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 4: and maybe you think that's a no brainer because of

1230
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 4: the talent level he is he's at when he plays.

1231
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 4: But you know, he has this history of injuries and

1232
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 4: he had, you know, didn't look all that incredible in

1233
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 4: the Olympics outside of like one short stint.

1234
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 2: Uh, you know you did that.

1235
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 4: And at least with the Zion thing, they had like uh,

1236
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 4: you know, things written into the contract to sort of

1237
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 4: save your assent a little bit. Could have done that

1238
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 4: with em beat again.

1239
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's why they could waves Zion willives and

1240
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: to come all the way back that because of the

1241
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, the weight criteria that he has to hit

1242
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: to guarantee anyway, all that, Uh, this one's guaranteed for

1243
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: Joel and Beid, although yeah, a long time ago, he

1244
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: also had the stipulations in his initial extension. Now in

1245
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: this one, Darryl Morris said, we're paying you, Yes, so TVD,

1246
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: But yes, he's undergoing this early surgery to try and

1247
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: get better for.

1248
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 2: The starting next season. Yeah, all right, we'll call it there.

1249
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 4: Tomorrow, we are going to start our Western Conference playoff previews.

1250
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 4: Things to watch for in each series, X factors, predictions,

1251
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 4: just like today with the East. We'll also recap tonight's

1252
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 4: two seven.

1253
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 2: Eight playing games and one of those games second half

1254
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: of Hawks Teca Versus Magic. We're gonna jump on playback.

1255
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 2: That link is in the show notes. Click the link.

1256
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 2: Join us around.

1257
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 4: Let's call it around nine pm Eastern, probably get ready

1258
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 4: for the second half of Believe. I have a close

1259
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 4: game there in Orlando and we'll enjoy that one together.

1260
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 4: So come hang out with your boys. Ash from first,

1261
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 4: we didn't see or hear much from you today because

1262
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 4: the fit is fire.

1263
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 2: You still have it done up underneath your chin. Yeah,

1264
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: it's good. Yeah, we're choking yourself. It's a little tight.

1265
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 2: It is a little tighter.

1266
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: I just throw it on whenever I felt like I

1267
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: was about to come back on the camera.

1268
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: So do you have a lightsaber?

1269
00:56:58,760 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let me do.

1270
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 2: Let's let's let's see what's going on, all right, all

1271
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 2: right for the podcast list. Oh he's got real one.

1272
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 2: Oh damn.

1273
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you like that?

1274
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: Oh, come on, do some moves, do some cool Yoda moves.

1275
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. It's just okay. Well, yeah,

1276
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: real tight back here. That's what you used when you

1277
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: got married. You use that lightsaber, right, Yeah, it was

1278
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: part of it.

1279
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had some we had some at the How

1280
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 2: many lightsabers do you have in your house? Like six

1281
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 2: or seven? Oh my god?

1282
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 3: Wow?

1283
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: But I mean some of them have had since I

1284
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: was like ten years old.

1285
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

1286
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they still work, some of them because this

1287
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 4: one has like I can hear a little when you

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Speaker 4: wish it.

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Speaker 2: Does it make cool sounds or.

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Speaker 1: Is it let's see it just hitting that it's just

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Speaker 1: a duck fight.

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Speaker 2: Oh all right, I guess.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a little jink.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, well, good stuff, yoda esh.

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Speaker 2: We will see what he's wearing tomorrow. But otherwise, clipper.

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Speaker 3: Bro, you heard it here first. Have a great time,

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Speaker 3: turn up. Love you guys awesome

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, and remember if Toronto Raptors Jamal

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Speaker 1: Shd can learn the Canadian national anthem and sing it,

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Speaker 1: you can try something new to brace the day people,