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Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Friday, January second, and the

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Speaker 1: headlines will tell you that Will Smith is being sued

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Speaker 1: for sexual harassments, that he's being accused of deliberately grooming someone,

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Speaker 1: that he is being accused of predatory behavior. But we're

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Speaker 1: actually still trying to make sense of this new lawsuit

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Speaker 1: that he's been hit with, and with that, welcome to

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Speaker 1: this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. The headlines do

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Speaker 1: include all those words the lawsuit, and he includes all

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Speaker 1: those words, but it's not that cut and dry. Is

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Speaker 1: it fair to say? This is confusing and we're all

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Speaker 1: trying to get our heads around it.

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Speaker 2: Very confusing.

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Speaker 3: Yes, if you open your phone today or your computer,

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Speaker 3: you are going to see these incendiary headlines about Will

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Speaker 3: Smith's pictures everywhere, and then you start reading the details

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Speaker 3: and you're left with a question mark, Huh, what is

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Speaker 3: what is.

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Speaker 1: It that he did?

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Speaker 2: What is it that he said? Who is this?

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Speaker 1: It's very confusing, and we don't want to take away

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Speaker 1: always you have to take these claims seriously, but this

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Speaker 1: is now a lawsuit. We were here talking too long

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Speaker 1: ago about the lawsuit that Tyler Perry got under the

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Speaker 1: tree that was filed on Christmas Day. It looks like

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Speaker 1: this one was filed on New Year's Eve, so this

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Speaker 1: was kind of a New Year's gift Will Smith. But

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Speaker 1: was there a monitor? No this one. At least there's

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Speaker 1: not a monetary number attached to this one yet.

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Speaker 3: I didn't see a monetary number yet, but there is,

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Speaker 3: or at least the statements I saw.

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Speaker 2: There is more coming.

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Speaker 3: They're saying there's going to be additional details released at

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Speaker 3: a later date, so maybe we will get a number.

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Speaker 3: And it seemed as though again everything is a little fuzzy, but.

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Speaker 2: There are more.

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Speaker 3: They claim they have more evidence and there's more to say.

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Speaker 3: But what we have to look at right now isn't

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what to make of that either, just

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Speaker 1: as to it was our tale. But we'll tell you

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Speaker 1: at least what's going on, because you will see the

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Speaker 1: headline that Will Smith has been sued facing a civil

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Speaker 1: lawsuit here that accuses him of retaliation for wrongful termination

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Speaker 1: of an employee and for sexual harassment. Now Will Smith

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Speaker 1: is named along with his management companies called Trey Ball

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Speaker 1: Studio Management. They are named now. The person who is

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Speaker 1: assuming is not a name I was familiar with, but

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Speaker 1: he at least Robes by all accounts, is an accomplished guy,

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Speaker 1: a violinist who made a name for himself as well

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, he was.

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Speaker 3: I believe he'd got into the top three of America's

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Speaker 3: I checked out his Instagram page. He's got Yes, he's

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Speaker 3: a phenomenal electric violinist, I believe is what he does.

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Speaker 3: But he travels and tours the world with his talents,

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Speaker 3: and he was seemingly says he was very excited to

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Speaker 3: be a part of Will Smith's new tour that he launched.

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Speaker 3: I guess it began around March and then was supposed

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Speaker 2: Some of his new music.

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Speaker 3: It was Will Smith's comeback tour, so to speak, going

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Speaker 3: back to music after everything that happened in the oscars.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, this was all supposed to be positive and a.

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Speaker 3: Way forward and a way through all of the stuff

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Speaker 3: that he had behind him.

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Speaker 1: So the guy says he met I think did we

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Speaker 1: say the name Brian King Joseph.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Brian King Joseph is the name Brian. King Joseph is

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Speaker 1: what he goes by. Now Here are the claims he said.

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Speaker 1: I think I saw this story and read it right.

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Speaker 1: He was hired by Will Smith to be a part

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Speaker 1: of the tour. This was in November of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: But did you read as well he auditioned for him

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Speaker 1: at his home. Now, I'm not sure that's perfectly normal,

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Speaker 1: but that's just a part of the story as well.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and yes, he has a lot of suggestions of

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Speaker 3: intimate encounters and intimate just conversations. That doesn't seem like

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Speaker 3: it would be a typical way to handle hiring musicians

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Speaker 1: And I want to be clear what we're saying when

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Speaker 1: we say in mid encounters, we were talking about just

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Speaker 1: nothing at least No, it's suggesting a physical relation ship,

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Speaker 1: although they seem to be leaving some weird breadcrumbs about

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Speaker 2: A lot of bread crumbing going on. That's a perfect

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Speaker 1: Seems like it's intentional bread crumbing. And we're going to

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Speaker 1: get into exactly what we're talking about here, So what

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Speaker 1: was the sexual harassment? He said he was hired. He

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Speaker 1: started in March of twenty twenty five. I think he

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Speaker 1: The whole crew is there, all the band and everybody's

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Speaker 1: the room. And this is where things start to get weird.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is really strange.

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Speaker 3: I think he said he left his bag on the

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Speaker 2: That's how he's claiming this may have happened.

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Speaker 3: But when he gets to his room, he said, there

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Speaker 3: paperwork with someone else's name on it. But the big

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Speaker 3: question mark is this note that he says was left

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Speaker 1: And the note makes no sense. But he says it

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Speaker 1: has his name on it, Brian, I'll be back no

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Speaker 1: later five point thirty, just us. And it says there

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Speaker 1: was a little heart drawn on the note, and the

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Speaker 1: note is signed stone F. Is the name stone F.

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Speaker 1: Now you might be listening and you're waiting, like okay,

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Speaker 1: But that is at least in his mind, Accordins's lawsuit,

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Speaker 1: And that's when he says he took it to the

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Speaker 1: he said as well, And that is when the management company,

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Speaker 1: why would he do that? As well? But they essentially

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Speaker 3: And what's so confusing about that is if you are

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Speaker 2: I googled stone F.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure everybody who's read the story, has googled stone

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Speaker 3: f the only thing that comes back.

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Speaker 2: Is this story.

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Speaker 3: It's not some moniker that Will Smith goes by, or

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Speaker 3: a strange thing. The details are so odd it doesn't

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Speaker 2: Point in a clear direction.

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Speaker 3: He did make some assumptions, but it's interesting if someone said, Brian,

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Speaker 3: I'll be back no later than five thirty, just us

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Speaker 3: with a hard drawn drawn and those weird things. I

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Speaker 3: at five thirty. But he made the choice to change rooms.

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Speaker 3: He felt threatened. He said he was scared, so but

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Speaker 1: I would be too. If something is in my room,

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Speaker 1: someone clearly left it here, and they left me a

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Speaker 1: that's that again, it's just bizarre. Now he doesn't make

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Speaker 1: he believes that Will Smith left the note, and that

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Speaker 3: See that he was directly linking that to will Smith.

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Speaker 3: But he does get specific about Will Smith.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he starts using words in the lawsuit and accusing

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Speaker 1: he Will Smith allegedly said to him, I only see

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Speaker 1: point in a private moment, Will Smith said to him,

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Speaker 1: You and I have such a special connection that I

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Speaker 1: don't have with anyone else. End quote. Again, that's it.

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Speaker 1: I'll read it against that chopped it up the first time.

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Speaker 1: He said this was a part of grooming and priming

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Speaker 3: Yes, but to just give that quote and nothing else

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Speaker 3: that falls massively short of anyone understanding or at least believing.

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to. You can't.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to judge in these moments because this is

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Speaker 3: small amount of quote unquote evidence. He did say that

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Speaker 3: they began spending additional time alone and that began when

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Speaker 3: his attorneys said there is going to be more to come,

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Speaker 3: So we just kind of have to have the dot

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Speaker 2: There is a lot more to reveal.

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Speaker 1: See, that's the and that's why I say breadcrumbs. And

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Speaker 1: it seems like this could be a part of a

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Speaker 1: I'm gona hit you with a little more. You sure

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Speaker 1: you don't want to settle, because then we're really going

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Speaker 2: You just nailed it.

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Speaker 1: It feels like that to me like this, maybe these

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Speaker 1: The only quote he wants to add is the one

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Speaker 1: in which Will Smith allegedly says they have a special

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Speaker 1: connection that I don't have with anyone else. What do

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Speaker 1: you I don't know. This could all be one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent true, and that's fine. This guy could have absolutely

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Speaker 1: been subjected to something he should not have from a

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Speaker 1: legal standpoint. Even but what this seems like it comes

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Speaker 3: Think you just hit the nail on the head, because

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Speaker 3: that would be the best explanation. I just had an

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Speaker 3: AHA moment when you said that, because if he didn't

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Speaker 1: Because right now it doesn't. It just does not make

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Speaker 3: It's an interesting thing. And the fact that these headlines

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's it, and that had to be by design.

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Speaker 1: So we talk about break Crump and these two quotes

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Speaker 3: My client, Brian King Joseph is a former America's Got

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Speaker 1: That sounds like a threat.

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Speaker 3: Way to me. Oh, it's highly suggestive without actually having

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Speaker 3: Yes, and also I thought it was interesting priming him

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Speaker 1: Lawyer knows what he's doing. Wow, I mean, just say

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Speaker 1: You can take somebody court for that, sure, but that's

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Speaker 2: No, there's no Yeah, that's a good point.

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Speaker 3: There's no accusation of sexual assault, just sexual harassment.

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Speaker 1: Based on this. But they're only basing it on a statement.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are, though.

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Speaker 3: I think the point is you you wake up, there's

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Speaker 1: And we did hear from at least Daily Beasts had

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Speaker 3: And look, these are the types of lawsuits We're seeing

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Speaker 2: People now feel like they are justified.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying they're not in saying, hey, hey,

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Speaker 3: and I'm going to call them out and say who

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Speaker 1: Keep your eye on this one, folks, because there is

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Speaker 1: we always appreciate you spending some time here with us.

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Speaker 1: For Amy Robock, I am TJ. Holmes. We will talk

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