WEBVTT - Cannabis Files: Humanity's THC Odyssey

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stop

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Hey, wasn't the stuff to blow your Mind?

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Christian Sager. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert who said the following, The illegality of cannabis is outrageous,

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<v Speaker 1>an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps

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<v Speaker 1>produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately

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<v Speaker 1>needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world. Oh well, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's of course a quote from Mr X from the

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<v Speaker 1>early nineteen seventies. Yeah. Mr X. He's that guy who

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<v Speaker 1>is on The X Files. He replaced the deep throat

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<v Speaker 1>character in like season three, Right, is that true? There's

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<v Speaker 1>a Mr X on there? Oh yeah, totally totally. He

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<v Speaker 1>was like their inside informant. Uh, he's the guy from

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one Jump Street. He said that. No, no, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>turns out this was actually Carl Sagan. Why yeah. Mr

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<v Speaker 1>mr X was his um, his his marijuana advocate pseudonym

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day. Well, Carl Sagan must have had

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<v Speaker 1>a contact high. That's my worst pot joke that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna tell during this episode. But yeah, so Carl Sagan

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<v Speaker 1>said that. But We didn't find out about that until

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<v Speaker 1>after he died. You know, I learned about Carl Sagan

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<v Speaker 1>saying that listening to a podcast. I was listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the Dead Authors podcast with Paula Tompkins and Matt Gorley

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<v Speaker 1>was his guest, pretending to be Carl Sagan, and they

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this quote at length. Yeah, and it's and

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<v Speaker 1>it's more than a court like, it's a full piece

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, in which he talks about his experiences

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<v Speaker 1>with marijuana, the effects marijuana had in his own life,

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<v Speaker 1>on creativity, on making connections things outside of his out

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<v Speaker 1>of the scientific discipline. But he at least alluded a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit to it's it's used to make scientific connections

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<v Speaker 1>as well. So we figured we did a two parter

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<v Speaker 1>on M D M A. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>positive comments about that, and we thought, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we should do this as kind of like an

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing series where we explore different UH drug substances, the

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<v Speaker 1>cultures around them, but mainly the science of how they

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<v Speaker 1>work and the potential medical properties that they have. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as you know, some cool historical and cultural

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<v Speaker 1>material as well, more way more so than M D

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<v Speaker 1>M A Cannabis is a subject where you could easily

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<v Speaker 1>have a stuff to blow your mind esque show that

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<v Speaker 1>just covers nothing but marijuana. Like each day, you could

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<v Speaker 1>look at a different uh each week, you could look

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<v Speaker 1>at a different historical tidbit, some different cultural tidbit. You

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<v Speaker 1>could look at some new study about its applications. You

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<v Speaker 1>could look at some new study about it's you know

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<v Speaker 1>that that tackles it from a you know, drug abuse,

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<v Speaker 1>drug prevention angle. There's just so much material out there,

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<v Speaker 1>uh that you could just go on forever. And we're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to go on forever. We're going to listen

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<v Speaker 1>two pieces here. Yeah, we we did our best to

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<v Speaker 1>condense this down. Robert's right. There's an absolute infinity of

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<v Speaker 1>hot research out there, and that's a good thing because

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of things that we have to learn

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<v Speaker 1>from this one plant that are our species has become

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<v Speaker 1>totally obsessed with. Yeah. I mean, we stand it in

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, an interesting place in history where um

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<v Speaker 1>acceptance of marijuana is growing in many circles. Uh. We

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<v Speaker 1>see a lot more research, scientific research going on right

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<v Speaker 1>now than we have in the past. And uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's hard to exactly predict where we'll be ten

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<v Speaker 1>years from who knows. Yeah, but but yeah, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>give it the old stuff to blow your mind. Shake

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<v Speaker 1>here and if there if you want more information or

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<v Speaker 1>you want one more of just a general overview, there

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<v Speaker 1>are a couple of great articles over how stuff Works

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<v Speaker 1>dot Com, one on marijuana, how marijuana Works, another one

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<v Speaker 1>how medical marijuana Works, that will give you the basics.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, us, we're liable to maybe dwell on some

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<v Speaker 1>of the weirder, cooler things about the topic, and you

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<v Speaker 1>might very well want to then go back and export

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<v Speaker 1>some of the basics. Yeah, I want to start the

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<v Speaker 1>episode with a disclaimer that, like, what we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do isn't the standard how marijuana works type episode. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>And in fact, our colleagues over at Stuff you should

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<v Speaker 1>know to to how medicinal marijuana Works episode that you

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<v Speaker 1>should go listen to if you're looking for something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>This is going to be more us really drilling as

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<v Speaker 1>far as we could, uh into the science behind it,

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<v Speaker 1>how it affects the brain, uh, some kind of odder

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<v Speaker 1>unknown cultural connotations of it through history, how it's evolved

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<v Speaker 1>over the years, and in particular, one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>I'm psyched to talk about is like it's migratory patterns

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<v Speaker 1>across the planet. Yeah, that that is some really fasting

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<v Speaker 1>material there. And then we're gonna break and we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do another episode later this week that's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>solely about the health benefits and the medical properties of it. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you know this will be a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 1>This is in our voice and as such, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a subjective experience. So Robert and I will also

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<v Speaker 1>probably bring our own experiences of growing up as adults

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<v Speaker 1>in America in a society that, uh, plenty of people

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<v Speaker 1>smoke marijuana and do do whatever they want with marijuana,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's sort of still illegal. Depends on where you

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<v Speaker 1>live now, Yeah, yeah, And I imagine pretty much everybody

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<v Speaker 1>out there is gonna have some level of familiarity with

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<v Speaker 1>with marijuana. Either you have tried it in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>you're an active user, you know somebody who fits either

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<v Speaker 1>these categories, or you've at least seen it on television,

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<v Speaker 1>you've heard about it in the lyrics to two various

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<v Speaker 1>songs and um and in various hip hop tracks. You

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<v Speaker 1>probably know something about what we're talking about here, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>So let's dive in then real basic cannabis as an organism,

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<v Speaker 1>it is closely related to some other species plant species,

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<v Speaker 1>But really that just of it is that it is

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<v Speaker 1>a plant that probably originally originated natively in India somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>just north of the Himalayas. We know that it can

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<v Speaker 1>grow somewhere between eight to twelve feet tall, almost in

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<v Speaker 1>some cases as tall as twenty five ft. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that. Uh. And then one thing that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just get out of the way, but this is

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be something we're gonna talk a ton about.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, it has uses as a textile fiber, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and hemp has particular woody fibers in it that have

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<v Speaker 1>industrial applications that that could be again like that could

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<v Speaker 1>be its own podcasts, all the ways that you can

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<v Speaker 1>use hemp, right, Uh. And I mean it is important

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<v Speaker 1>to hit because because essentially you have two very common

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<v Speaker 1>subspecies of cannabis. You have a Cannabis Sativa L and

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<v Speaker 1>L stands for Carl Linnaeus, Carl Linnaeus who named it

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<v Speaker 1>in three and this is the non psychoactive hemp variety.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the version of of cannabis that is used

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<v Speaker 1>to create these various textiles and has been used for ages.

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<v Speaker 1>Will discuss in a little bit um and and and

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<v Speaker 1>to put that in perspective, hemp contains less than one

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<v Speaker 1>percent th HC. Meanwhile, you have Cannabis sativa, the psychoactive

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<v Speaker 1>cannabis plant, and that when that one you'll see t

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<v Speaker 1>ch th HC levels that range from four to and

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<v Speaker 1>the upper end of that the twenty percent area. You're

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<v Speaker 1>going to see that in some of the specially strains

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<v Speaker 1>that humans have cultivated. So then there's also Cannabis indica

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<v Speaker 1>and there's another one called Cannabis rudder alis uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>these are different species. There's variants, there's subspecies. But one

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<v Speaker 1>thing that's worth saying right up front about these is

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<v Speaker 1>that these categorizations sometimes get used over simplistically, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be something that we keep coming back to

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<v Speaker 1>over and over again, especially with medicinal use. Uh. The idea,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, that indica makes you sleepy but sativa makes

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<v Speaker 1>you hyper uh. But then there you can find strains

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<v Speaker 1>of both that have totally opposite effects. Right. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>like there's a lot more going on here. And the

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<v Speaker 1>reason why is this plant is like incredibly dynamic and complicated.

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<v Speaker 1>It has more than five hundred chemicals in it, including THHC.

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<v Speaker 1>A hundred and nine of those chemicals are what we

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<v Speaker 1>call cannabinoids, and those are the important ones when we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the effects on the brain. But this seems

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<v Speaker 1>really diverse. It's got a lot going on inside of it. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>And depending on how it spread, depending on the different strains, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna have different effects, right yeah, I mean the

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<v Speaker 1>effects of th HD of consumption is gonna depend down

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<v Speaker 1>the strain, how much you took, how you took it, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>your your individual makeup, your past usage, a number of

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<v Speaker 1>different factors. Um. It's also worth a stressing here that

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<v Speaker 1>the female cannabis plant is the one that produces the

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<v Speaker 1>sticky resin that contains the cannabinoids, most notably delta nine

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<v Speaker 1>tetra hydro a banal, which is th h so th HC.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's start with just like a simple brain explanation. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here's this is the This isn't your brain on drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just your brain. Okay. Our gray matter contains neurons,

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<v Speaker 1>and neurons are cells that talk to other cells with

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<v Speaker 1>electro chemicals. Right, the electro chemicals are called neurotransmitters, and

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<v Speaker 1>one type of neurotransmitter in our brains that exists without

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<v Speaker 1>smoking marijuana are called endocannabinoids. Yea, endocannabinoids aren't in your

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<v Speaker 1>brain right now, regardless of your past usage or nine

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<v Speaker 1>usage of marijuana. And there's one plant that also produces them,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's cannabis. So keep that in mind throughout all

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<v Speaker 1>of this, right, Is that, like, the things that are

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<v Speaker 1>going on the effects of cannabis on the human body

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<v Speaker 1>are basically the king things that we are already going on,

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<v Speaker 1>right increasing or decreasing them. Yeah, I mean you can

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<v Speaker 1>you can sort of say that for from for pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much any Yeah, that's substance. It's not like a magic

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<v Speaker 1>hand supernatural force reaching into your brain. Is this substance

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<v Speaker 1>that is causing your brain to do things that it

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<v Speaker 1>already does, though perhaps in different intensities and in different ways. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just kind of want to dispel the notion of

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<v Speaker 1>the and you and I grew up with this the

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<v Speaker 1>this is your brain on drugs type commercials where it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the drugs are doing the things to you, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like and they are, I mean, it's a cause and

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<v Speaker 1>effect relationship. But like the chemistry sets already there on

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<v Speaker 1>your skull, right, an egg does not fry itself exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So an individual takes th HC it can.

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<v Speaker 1>We already mentioned that the exact results are gonna depend

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<v Speaker 1>on strain, dosage, delivery method, individual frequency of use, but

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<v Speaker 1>the it's gonna ultimately produce a variety of effects of

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<v Speaker 1>both sensory and psychological and looting. Uh. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>sources listed it is mild reverie, which show we were

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<v Speaker 1>just talking about about that off air. Well, what's what's

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<v Speaker 1>the more relatable term for that fun? Yeah, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I would think of it as that's that's another

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<v Speaker 1>thing that like I guess we should point out as

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<v Speaker 1>like along the way and the research of this is

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<v Speaker 1>of course academics who are studying marijuana or cannabis and

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<v Speaker 1>its effects, like they're in this sort of weird, precarious

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<v Speaker 1>situation right where they want to be as scientifically accurate

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<v Speaker 1>as possible to maintain their standing of this being a

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<v Speaker 1>serious study. Uh, because and I read this in multiple pieces,

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, well, there's a stigma on people who study

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<v Speaker 1>this as like, you know, we're just a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>hippies who just want to smoke weed or something like

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<v Speaker 1>that while while also holding professorship, and they're paranoid about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost yeah, uh so there is almost uh an impenetrable

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<v Speaker 1>language use in some of these, including uh equent reverie. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they rarely use the word dank, but yeah. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the other effects include a euphoria, heightened sensory awareness, creativity, empathy,

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<v Speaker 1>impaired short term memory, altered senses of time and space,

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<v Speaker 1>enhanced appetite and sexual desire um not necessarily at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, occasional drowsiness, and a tendency to enhance introspection. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and this this, These are all the kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>basic assumptions that we have as just like general people

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<v Speaker 1>who exist, at least in America, of like what happens

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<v Speaker 1>when you smoke weed? Yeah, I mean, if you just

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<v Speaker 1>watch television, you see varying level. So like the guy

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<v Speaker 1>in this show he smokes a little breaking back and

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly he is a little more creative, creative, or oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this character in this show Aida Pott Brownie and then

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<v Speaker 1>just set there thinking about death for an hour. You

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<v Speaker 1>know that. Yeah, totally a lot of people are gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be familiar with these these basic uh sensory and psychological effects.

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<v Speaker 1>So back to the brain. Those cannabinoids work their way

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<v Speaker 1>up through our blood and into our brains, and they

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<v Speaker 1>mimic or block the neurotransmitters, interfering with our normal functions. Right. So,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's high concentrations of cannabis cannabinoid receptors in our hippocampus,

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<v Speaker 1>our cerebellum, and our basil ganglia, the THHC binds with

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<v Speaker 1>the receptors there and interferes with our recollection of recent events.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the whole memory thing. We're gonna talk

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about this um. In fact, I had previously

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<v Speaker 1>written an episode for our video series brain Stuff on

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<v Speaker 1>how much marijuana actually affects your memories, so I was

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<v Speaker 1>able to incorporate a lot of that research here. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course, as we also know, it affects your coordination

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<v Speaker 1>and your muscle movement. So okay, like we said, our

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<v Speaker 1>brains have already got these endocannabinoids in them, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>cannabis cannabis basically hijacks this process. Now, the system of

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<v Speaker 1>the endocannabinoid system influences pain, our memory, our mood and

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<v Speaker 1>our appetite, all those things that Robert just listed as

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<v Speaker 1>being affected by using cannabis, which is a nice uh,

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<v Speaker 1>which nicely foreshadows the air eventual discussion on medical applications

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<v Speaker 1>because you can already see this is a substance that

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<v Speaker 1>is it is already involved in a number of of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that are affected by various illnesses and diseases. Yeah. Absolutely, Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things that we're really getting into

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<v Speaker 1>now and we're going to talk about more, but like

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<v Speaker 1>research is relatively recently in the last five years, is

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<v Speaker 1>that the endocannabinoid process also has a big role in

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<v Speaker 1>how our brains grow. Now, recall from when we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about m D m A and the m D m

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<v Speaker 1>A episodes, Our brains are actually growing until we're twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five years old. Like it's easy to say, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm growing up, I'm eighteen, I'm done, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>not true, Like your brain is still evolving, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>using marijuana definitely seems to have an effect on how

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<v Speaker 1>your brain grows if you use it in adolescence. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think like what they're referring to is like anything

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<v Speaker 1>before years old, and that that's on a regular use,

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<v Speaker 1>but we'll get into that later. And the thing about

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<v Speaker 1>the endocannabinoid system, we've only known about this thing since

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<v Speaker 1>the late nineties, so, uh, we know, okay, we know

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<v Speaker 1>it's complex neurosystem. We know it affects these couple of

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<v Speaker 1>things that I just mentioned, but we're only beginning to

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<v Speaker 1>understand it. So it's weird when you go down the

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<v Speaker 1>rabbit hole on marijuana research because there's tons of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we mentioned, it's everywhere, but a lot of it

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<v Speaker 1>is the same. Like, here's this endocannabinoid thing. We sort

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<v Speaker 1>of get it, but not really. More research is needed. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then here's my fun fact for the episode. The

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<v Speaker 1>reason you can't overdose on marijuana is because our cannabinoid

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<v Speaker 1>receptors aren't densely packed inside the medulla. The medulla control

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<v Speaker 1>our cardiovascular system, right, So if you use heroin and

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<v Speaker 1>you overdose on heroin, that'll shut down your respiratory control center.

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<v Speaker 1>But pot can't do anything like that. Do not mistake

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<v Speaker 1>us when we say you cannot overdose on marijuana. We

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<v Speaker 1>are not saying that you cannot take too much. You cannot.

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<v Speaker 1>You can take more marijuana than than is than you

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<v Speaker 1>should or is comfortable for the user experience. Um, But

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<v Speaker 1>you can say that about anything, right. You can say

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<v Speaker 1>that about chocolate. Yeah, I mean one, you can say

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<v Speaker 1>that about plenty of things just in your on your

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<v Speaker 1>spice rack that take too much of it, you can

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<v Speaker 1>they can have dire consequences. Bottom line being you cannot overdose,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can't take too much. Okay, So we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the positive effects. But I'd like to think

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<v Speaker 1>that most of the people out there, again, like whether

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<v Speaker 1>you've had personal experience with it or you've just watch

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<v Speaker 1>a TV show, you pretty much get what those positive

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<v Speaker 1>effects are, right at least the positive recreational effects that

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the the reduce of

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<v Speaker 1>pain and inflammation. Uh. And then the medicinal applications we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about in the next episode and primarily

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, spoilers for that episode. It's primarily used

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<v Speaker 1>to treat epilepsy and multiple sclerosis, and of course we

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<v Speaker 1>also discussed some of its uses, um for people who

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<v Speaker 1>are undergoing chemotherapy from cancer. Yeah, there's all kinds and

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<v Speaker 1>and PTSD as well. There's just like with m d

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<v Speaker 1>m A, uh, that same maps research Institute is looking

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<v Speaker 1>at how marijuana can help with PTSD. So this leads

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<v Speaker 1>us though, let's talk about the adverse effects. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't I'm not gonna do like the Nancy Reagan

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<v Speaker 1>like sit here and tell you all the bad things, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the way that we need to approach this,

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<v Speaker 1>just like we we talked about with m d m A,

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<v Speaker 1>is like, let's be mature about it. This is plant.

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<v Speaker 1>This plant does these things to the human body. We're

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<v Speaker 1>listing them. We can apply positive or negative connotations to them,

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<v Speaker 1>but just it's important for us to walk through what

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<v Speaker 1>they are, right, all right, So memory is the big one. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the answer like, does does marijuana affect your memory? Oh? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it absolutely does. And the reason why is because the

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<v Speaker 1>th HC latches onto the cannabinoid receptor type CB one

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<v Speaker 1>in your brain. Uh. And this affects your short term memory.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, we've done forty years worth of studies that

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<v Speaker 1>show that th HC disrupt that disrupts our short term memory.

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<v Speaker 1>It also makes it difficult to remember what happened when

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<v Speaker 1>you were actually high. Uh. And yes, when you take

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<v Speaker 1>larger doses like Robert was talking about, you can take

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<v Speaker 1>too much, it has an even even more of an

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<v Speaker 1>effect on your memory. However, you can also develop a tolerance, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and so like if you are a chronic user, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can build up a tolerance and subsequently you'll have

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<v Speaker 1>less of the memory problems. But this also plays into

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<v Speaker 1>the medicinal stuff we're gonna talk about later in that

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<v Speaker 1>like the medicinal applications don't always work again because you

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<v Speaker 1>can build up a tolerance to it, right, And it's

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<v Speaker 1>and on the short term memory stuff. I do want

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<v Speaker 1>to mention here that like there's a difference between say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this user um consumes some marijuana and they can't quite

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<v Speaker 1>remember all the details of that that episode of of

0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Breaking Bad they watched, as opposed to an idea of

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<v Speaker 1>like somebody just having a complete blackout experience. Like there

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<v Speaker 1>are varying levels of memory disruption and it's not just

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<v Speaker 1>the black and white I remember and oh I have

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<v Speaker 1>a black hole in my life, right you know, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>totally totally, which reminds me of like, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I have friends who over the years used too

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<v Speaker 1>much alcohol and that was kind of their experience with that,

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<v Speaker 1>which was just like the the whole in in time

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<v Speaker 1>and space. They don't remember it happened, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>they say they don't remember what happened. I have far

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<v Speaker 1>less friends who use marijuana that have said the same thing. So,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's let's clarify to existing memories are not affected

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<v Speaker 1>by marijuana use. Uh. And this does not lead to

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<v Speaker 1>memory loss, you know, or dementia. UH. That needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be clarified because there's I think, you know a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the scare campaigns about cannabis leads to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>these misunderstandings. Researchers do, though, hope they can use THHC

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<v Speaker 1>to help people with forgetting bad memories associated with PTSD,

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<v Speaker 1>and the reason why is because the endo cannabinoid system

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<v Speaker 1>regulates memory formation, but it also is involved with how

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<v Speaker 1>we quote make negative memories extinct. That's a weird phrasing,

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<v Speaker 1>but apparently there's has something to do with us basically,

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<v Speaker 1>like I guess like the metaphor would be like put

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<v Speaker 1>a negative memory in a box and shoving it in

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<v Speaker 1>a closet way in the back of your brain, right

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<v Speaker 1>and just like I'm done with this. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this touches again on the complexity of PHC because it's

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<v Speaker 1>a substance that almost paradoxola involves sometimes the like the

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<v Speaker 1>the the overexamination of a negative element in one's memories

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<v Speaker 1>or in this case, we're discussing now the potential eradication

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<v Speaker 1>of of negative connotations for a memory. Right, And we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do a lot of like real deep dive research

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<v Speaker 1>into the PTSD application here, but I'm gonna guess based

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<v Speaker 1>on all the stuff that we did on m D,

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<v Speaker 1>m A and PTSD that probably has a similar use

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<v Speaker 1>and that it's done in conjunction with therapy, and that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you use it a little bit with a

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<v Speaker 1>trustworthy therapist and then you talk your way through the

0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:50.080
<v Speaker 1>memories and the problems, rather than it's it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>this magical thing where like you take a certain amount

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<v Speaker 1>of marijuana and book your memory just goes and close it. Right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to stop thinking about it as being like

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<v Speaker 1>this just magic wand thing. Okay. The chronic use effects

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<v Speaker 1>are important to consider as well, because as we age,

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<v Speaker 1>chronic use of marijuana can hasten the loss of neurons

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<v Speaker 1>in our hippocampus. So teens, and this is where it

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<v Speaker 1>comes into the like growing up and how it affects

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<v Speaker 1>your brain. Thing. Teens who smoke it for three or

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<v Speaker 1>more years may have abnormally shaped hippocamp i, and they

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<v Speaker 1>get more abnormal the longer they use it chronically. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>these deformations are connected to poor performance on memory tests

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't go away either. Uh. They've been observed

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<v Speaker 1>in individuals who are in their early twenties who stopped

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<v Speaker 1>using marijuana up to two years before. So it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this window in your life and let's be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>for a lot of us, that's the window when we're

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<v Speaker 1>most likely to use marijuana. Uh and and it if

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<v Speaker 1>it's used on enough of a regular basis, it can

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<v Speaker 1>affect the shape of your brain. Yeah. I mean this

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<v Speaker 1>is the period of time in our development where we're

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<v Speaker 1>hardwired really to to break out and uh and and

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<v Speaker 1>attached to different peer groups. It's like a survival instinct

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<v Speaker 1>to to take more risk as a survival instinct. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's unfortunate this is also the time where

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<v Speaker 1>we should we should probably not be experimenting with a

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<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of different substances. Yeah. I know, like reading

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<v Speaker 1>this like I almost thought like wow, like in a

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<v Speaker 1>in a mature society it would be. And I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if there's like some kind of uh like smaller micro

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<v Speaker 1>culture somewhere where it's like this where it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like we accept that this is a thing that exists

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<v Speaker 1>and it has these properties, but you know, for the

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<v Speaker 1>most part, like we want to keep that away, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>from our from our youth until they're of a particular age,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we'll have like a ceremony or whatever, like

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<v Speaker 1>like a celebration spring yeah, like the yell yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>rum spring of marijuana where you're ready and it won't

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<v Speaker 1>affect how your brain shaped and and and and affect

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<v Speaker 1>your cognition. Basically, basically your programming here is to is

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<v Speaker 1>to rebel, run away from your tribe and go find

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<v Speaker 1>another tribe that you can breed with and uh find

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<v Speaker 1>safety among But yeah, way to you get to other

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<v Speaker 1>tribe until you tryal these substances should be the uh

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<v Speaker 1>the caveat there. Yeah, I don't know, that would be interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if any of the listeners out there aware

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<v Speaker 1>of like if there's some there must be I would

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<v Speaker 1>assume that there's got to be some kind of mature

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<v Speaker 1>society where that is how it's handled. Although I guess

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<v Speaker 1>like based on sort of like nation state regulations, we

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't necessarily be able to do that anymore. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you do see traditional uses of marijuana and other

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<v Speaker 1>substances where control of the substances held by shamans and

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<v Speaker 1>relise individuals, and therefore you would have to reach a

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<v Speaker 1>certain age a certain place in your life before they

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<v Speaker 1>would be administered to you. That's so that would be

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<v Speaker 1>I think the most likely form of that. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's interesting to consider going forward with this. Um. So. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So we know this endocannabinoid system, even though it's super

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:11.800
<v Speaker 1>complex and we're only just now learning about it, it's

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<v Speaker 1>important to how our synapses form. It's important to our

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<v Speaker 1>early brain development during adolescent uh. And so yes, it's

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<v Speaker 1>possible that marijuana is affecting the development of our brains. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And we know of course that they also adversely affect

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<v Speaker 1>our motor coordination, our attention, our judgment. It also can

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<v Speaker 1>raise our heart rate, cause anxiety, and it has irritants

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:39.960
<v Speaker 1>inside the smoke that possibly cause cancer. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>a good moment for us to all Right, so memories

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<v Speaker 1>the big one, right, that's the big like quote unquote

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:48.080
<v Speaker 1>adverse effect. But let's go through a list of other

0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:51.959
<v Speaker 1>adverse effects that have been tracked through science. It's been

0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:54.680
<v Speaker 1>linked to having at lower sperm count you have used

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<v Speaker 1>at least once a week. Uh. It's also it's not

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<v Speaker 1>highly addictive. However, ten scent of users become dependent. I've

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<v Speaker 1>also I've seen that number represented as high as thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>It kind of depends on who's tweaking the numbers, because

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<v Speaker 1>I think it depends on like your definition of dependence. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the thirty percent I saw was something like, quote, um,

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 1>some degree of dependence. Yeah. Um. But the so that's

0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:24.920
<v Speaker 1>the thing is the addiction like definition is complicated. It's

0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:29.320
<v Speaker 1>possible that you might be influencing a neurochemical dopamine addiction

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:31.000
<v Speaker 1>that's linked in our brain. There's a couple of other

0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:34.919
<v Speaker 1>science things going on here. Uh. It may also change

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 1>the quote feel good part of the brain, including our

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 1>neurons that produce dopamine. And if you're you know, it's

0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:43.720
<v Speaker 1>constantly producing dopamine, that's going to make people to want

0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:47.600
<v Speaker 1>to keep using it obviously. Uh. And somehow we know this.

0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:51.000
<v Speaker 1>It's reducing the number of those CB one receptors that

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.000
<v Speaker 1>we have in our brains, and that too could be

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:55.520
<v Speaker 1>leading to addiction of some type. It's also been linked

0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 1>to cardiovascular problems, long damage for heavy smokers, high risk

0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:02.720
<v Speaker 1>of but up in chronic gobronchitis. But its effects on

0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:06.000
<v Speaker 1>respiratory function and respiratory cancer on clear mostly because of

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:08.919
<v Speaker 1>mixed use with tobacco. So on a lot of this,

0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 1>we're just talking about the fact that the primary method

0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:17.199
<v Speaker 1>of consuming it is the smoke, So of course you're

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 1>going to end end up with smoke and relation issues. Yeah,

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:23.160
<v Speaker 1>And now going back to my story of my stupid youth,

0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:27.720
<v Speaker 1>cannabis intoxication can double a driver's risk of a crash,

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 1>as reported in a study, and I'm here from a

0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:34.720
<v Speaker 1>subjective experience to tell you that makes a lot of sense. Also,

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 1>maternal cannabis used during pregnancy can modestly reduce birth weight. Okay,

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 1>And there is a connection between youthful exposure to to

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:51.480
<v Speaker 1>cannabis and early onset psychosis, including schizophrenia. Now I want

0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:55.080
<v Speaker 1>to add here though, that these people are usually already

0:27:55.280 --> 0:28:00.199
<v Speaker 1>genetically predisposed towards these mental illnesses. So it's not like

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:03.359
<v Speaker 1>smoking weed makes you crazy, right, Like, it's not that.

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 1>And it's also associated with the use of other ellipic drugs. Yeah,

0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 1>and I feel like this is a good moment, like

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:13.440
<v Speaker 1>with that particular one to just like add a note

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:17.280
<v Speaker 1>here that I personally think that there's a difference between

0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 1>cannabis's socio cultural role and its scientific effects on the

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 1>human body. And some studies suggest that cannabis is a

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 1>contributing cause to these things like for instance, that you'll

0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:36.680
<v Speaker 1>drop out of school or something, while others are arguing that, yeah,

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 1>there's a relationship there, but there's also lots of other

0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:42.240
<v Speaker 1>shared causes, right, like makes me think of wicked problems.

0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot going on there. And just from my

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:48.320
<v Speaker 1>own personal experience growing up with with with kids who

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:51.760
<v Speaker 1>dropped out of school and we're pot smokers, Like, I

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 1>don't think it was necessarily just the pot that made

0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:56.440
<v Speaker 1>them drop out of school, right Like, they had a

0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of other things going on in their lives and

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:02.320
<v Speaker 1>it was a convergence. Yeah, And and you know, it's

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:04.320
<v Speaker 1>easy to get into. You could you could do a

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.280
<v Speaker 1>whole episode just talking about the whole Gateway drug band.

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, to what extent is it a gateway drug?

0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:13.000
<v Speaker 1>To what extent is anything a gateway drug? If you

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 1>keep it like legally and socially stored in the box

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 1>with these other things. It's kind of like saying, hey,

0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 1>if you keep the bubble gum in the liquor cabinet,

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 1>then bubble gum is the gateway to liquor, right, because

0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 1>that is the you inevitably fall in proximity to it. Yeah,

0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 1>but the official lingo in one of the studies we

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:36.360
<v Speaker 1>read says that, yes, they find a consistent association between

0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:42.760
<v Speaker 1>regular cannabis use and poor psycho social outcomes in adulthood. Now,

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 1>my personal experience, I would argue against that, but that's

0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 1>very subjective. You know, I am an adult, uh thirty

0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 1>eight years old, and I have lots of friends who

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:57.880
<v Speaker 1>partake in using marijuana, and they make great decisions and

0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 1>are pretty stable adults. Now, we mentioned uh, we mentioned smoke,

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:06.600
<v Speaker 1>We mentioned different methods of consuming cannabis. I do want

0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 1>to mention here that for cannabis to release THHD into

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:12.240
<v Speaker 1>the bloodstream, it must be heated above one hundred degrees

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>celsius or two hundred twelve degrees fahrenheit. So it has

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 1>to be cooked, it has to be smoked. And this

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:20.320
<v Speaker 1>is why we inevitably end up talking about the inhalation

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 1>of cannabis smoke, the brewing of cannabis teeth, the creation

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:25.960
<v Speaker 1>of cannabis oils that can be absorbed through the skin,

0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:30.080
<v Speaker 1>culinary infusion generally you know, in the form of or

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:31.960
<v Speaker 1>often in the form of butters and other things that

0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>are then used in baking. Uh. Some cultures in the

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 1>past just threw it into a communal camp fire and

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 1>everyone um inhaled it that way, and the use of

0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:46.800
<v Speaker 1>pipes was actually rather uncommon until the sixteenth century. So

0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, the whole sort of it's easy to miss

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 1>that given how prevalent the bong and you know, one

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 1>hitter culture is today. But yeah, that is a in

0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 1>the long history of human cannabis used. Uh, that's a

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 1>relatively new thing. Yeah, it's kind of worth realizing that,

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:06.560
<v Speaker 1>like we are only just a little blip on the

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 1>radar of its uh influence on human history, especially like

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 1>when you when you look at how far back it goes. Indeed,

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 1>so hey, on that note, let's take a quick break

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 1>and when we come back, we're going to dive into

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:23.600
<v Speaker 1>a little bit on the evolution of cannabis and the

0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 1>overall successive cannabis is it just spreads across our world

0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 1>through human culture. So cannabis thrives in a sunny environment

0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:44.479
<v Speaker 1>or alternative way, like a massive grow house I'm thinking of,

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:47.440
<v Speaker 1>like a gyp. Have you seen that movie Attack the Block? Yes,

0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:50.760
<v Speaker 1>the like sky rise grow house that they have that's

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 1>in like one of those like apartment complex. Oh yeah,

0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 1>you can grow pretty much anywhere. Grow Houses are are

0:31:57.280 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>fascinating subject under themselves. I wrote an article for our

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:03.240
<v Speaker 1>Stuff Works about them several years back, and I'm not

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 1>even sure to what extent with our growing uh, with

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:10.720
<v Speaker 1>with our shifting acceptance of marijuana, to what extent, grow

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:15.640
<v Speaker 1>houses are still quite the weird urban spaceship that they were,

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, where you basically have an environment that is,

0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:22.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, like a human can barely live inside one

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 1>of these things. Uh, it's all about growing the marijuana plants.

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know to what extent those are. Those

0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:32.120
<v Speaker 1>are still as extreme a situation as they were a

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 1>few years ago. But um, but for the most part, yeah,

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 1>they need a sunny environment. Uh. We mentioned earlier. They

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 1>probably evolved in um in India, perhaps Central Asia specifically.

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Some theories say Mongolia or southern Siberia, though you'll also

0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 1>find people to make a case for the Honghi River,

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 1>valley of Hindu Kush Mountains, South Asia or Afghanistan. It's

0:32:57.120 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 1>one of those things that's ultimately kind of lost to history.

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 1>This is that thing where you go, all, right, hold up,

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 1>how long have people been interacting with cannabis. Well, the

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:13.160
<v Speaker 1>first written account is in Chinese records from the twenty

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 1>eight century BC. That's way back. I mean, it's pretty far.

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 1>And then when you look at it, you know, around

0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 1>twenty or sorry, around twelve thousand BC, humans started domesticating

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:31.760
<v Speaker 1>the crop, and this is where it steadily started moving

0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>across the world. And let's talk about that for a

0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:36.360
<v Speaker 1>little bit. We've got like a map here in front

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:39.760
<v Speaker 1>of us that well we'll try to translate to you listener.

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:43.240
<v Speaker 1>Uh that it's just fascinating how it kind of made

0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 1>its way around the world. Right, So it's best we

0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:54.120
<v Speaker 1>can tell by two thousand BC, you had cannabis in China, Japan, Korea, Persia,

0:33:54.720 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Eastern Europe, and India. And then during the first millennia

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:04.640
<v Speaker 1>um u it spreads through northern Africa and in the

0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:09.800
<v Speaker 1>following millennium travels north into western Europe, South into Southern Africa,

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 1>into Southeast Asia, and then in the centuries to follow

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 1>it follows the wave of colonialism into the New World.

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:21.160
<v Speaker 1>So we're talking South America in the eighteen hundreds and

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:24.719
<v Speaker 1>then the early twentieth century it's making its way into

0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:27.920
<v Speaker 1>North America and becoming firmly rooted there. And you may

0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 1>be wondering, well, well, how do we know this other

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 1>than like you know, a general historical record. Right, Well,

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:35.840
<v Speaker 1>this is a fascinating thing that I read about in

0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:38.239
<v Speaker 1>a Newsweek article. There's a guy out there. His name

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:41.719
<v Speaker 1>is Maudli Holmes, and he operates a lab called the

0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 1>philos Bioscience Lab, and the whole point of this lab

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:49.279
<v Speaker 1>is to try to sequence the DNA of every kind

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.400
<v Speaker 1>of cannabis in the world. And the goal is basically

0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:54.520
<v Speaker 1>that they're gonna sample all of it so that they

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:58.319
<v Speaker 1>can clarify, you know, what all these different types are

0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 1>in the marijuana u unquote market. And it's called cannabis genomics.

0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:07.719
<v Speaker 1>So we're talking about subspecies, we're talking about strains, all

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:13.160
<v Speaker 1>the weird ways that cultivation is is tweaking the marijuana.

0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Like I've seen it pointed out before that if you

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:20.279
<v Speaker 1>look at pictures of just basic cannabis crop from just

0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 1>fifty years ago. It's it's often just unrecognizable compared to

0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:30.080
<v Speaker 1>like your modern, um, uh centerfold cannabis. You don't know

0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:32.839
<v Speaker 1>what is the magazine high times, Like like it doesn't

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 1>even look like the same plant because we've just we've

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:38.400
<v Speaker 1>micromanaged its development so much. Yeah. And also like it's

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:41.640
<v Speaker 1>worth considering too that like a lot any kind of

0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:44.879
<v Speaker 1>like botanical improvements that have been going on have been

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 1>going on behind closed doors for the most part, right,

0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:50.320
<v Speaker 1>so there hasn't been a whole lot of like, uh

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 1>shared information about this. And and this is kind of

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 1>this Mowgli homes goal. He's he's sort of like the

0:35:55.560 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Alexander Shulgin of of marijuana, it seems, uh and um,

0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 1>the only way that they can research this cannabis because

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 1>it's illegal on the federal level here in the United States,

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:09.359
<v Speaker 1>is to get approval from both the U s d

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 1>A and the f d A. But uh, there are

0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:18.320
<v Speaker 1>federally funded universities that are reluctant to even host anything

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:19.719
<v Speaker 1>like this. And I remember I was talking about at

0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:22.080
<v Speaker 1>the beginning with academics who study this because of the

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:24.319
<v Speaker 1>stigma attached to it. But Homes and his team have

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 1>a way around this. They handle only the DNA of

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:31.240
<v Speaker 1>the marijuana and not the marijuana itself. So he's collected

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 1>specimens of DNA from all over the world Colombia, Thailand, Mexico, Afghanistan, India, Uruguay, Namibia,

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 1>and South America. And this process is extremely time consuming

0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 1>because they have to design a new method for DNA

0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 1>extraction for every sample collected. It's not like there's the

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:52.680
<v Speaker 1>same formula. They have to go in and basically build

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:55.279
<v Speaker 1>it from scratch. So the goal is that they're gonna

0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:58.360
<v Speaker 1>complete this plan, they're gonna hand over all the data

0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:01.400
<v Speaker 1>they have to a group that's called the in Cannabis Project.

0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 1>This is a nonprofit that's building an archival record of

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 1>every strain for the sake of the public domain. And

0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:11.560
<v Speaker 1>the idea here is this will be better regardless of

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:14.439
<v Speaker 1>whether it's legal or not, because, like I said, even

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:18.200
<v Speaker 1>growers don't really know what they're growing out there. Much

0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:21.800
<v Speaker 1>of the marijuana that's consumed in the US today comes

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 1>from strains that were smuggled over here from Afghanistan and Thailand,

0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:30.000
<v Speaker 1>but we also know it was here long before that,

0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:33.120
<v Speaker 1>and we don't know why, so we want to know

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 1>where it originated and even more, what can it tell

0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:40.919
<v Speaker 1>us about human migratory patterns too. Indeed, because we see

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 1>time and time again where people go where if people

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:46.719
<v Speaker 1>have cannabis in their culture, they bring it with them

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:50.560
<v Speaker 1>when they travel. Yeah. Absolutely, and it quite literally takes

0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:52.880
<v Speaker 1>route wherever it goes. This is pretty much the entire

0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 1>premise of Sleep's Dope Smoker album. So we already mentioned

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:00.359
<v Speaker 1>the literary records going back to about on the Gates

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:02.839
<v Speaker 1>century BC, and there'll be more on the specifics of

0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 1>that in our next episode because of concerns the medicinal

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 1>history of cannabis, But as far as just the earliest

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:12.840
<v Speaker 1>known archaeological traces UH, some of our earliest traces of cannabis,

0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:16.480
<v Speaker 1>they relate not to UH the drug, but rather just

0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:18.759
<v Speaker 1>to the use of hemp in fiber arts, which is

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 1>important because it shows that the plant was out there

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:23.480
<v Speaker 1>people were using it. So we see ten thousand year

0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:27.600
<v Speaker 1>old Taiwanese pottery shards that reveal hemp rope imprints in

0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 1>the pottery. Additionally, we see weaving design and himp cloth

0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:37.880
<v Speaker 1>imprints from on pottery from around UH fifteen to thirty

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:42.840
<v Speaker 1>five hundred thirty five b C. Found in uh Vanpo villages.

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 1>These are the the earliest examples of Neolithic and possibly

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:51.520
<v Speaker 1>UH matriarchal Uh young Shall culture. UH. And this is

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 1>from the Shanzi province in northwest China. Uh. So again

0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:58.040
<v Speaker 1>just to go back, you know, China was was one

0:38:58.040 --> 0:39:01.480
<v Speaker 1>of the earliest regions that would have add access to cannabis.

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:06.319
<v Speaker 1>Burned cannabis seeds have been found in Kurgan burial grounds

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:10.360
<v Speaker 1>of the Pazyak tribes in Siberia dating back to around

0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:13.920
<v Speaker 1>three thousand BC. And I can only imagine, um, my,

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 1>my Highlander history is little foggy that I'm assuming that

0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:23.759
<v Speaker 1>the Kurgan. Uh, maybe that's it. Yeah, yeah, probably very

0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:26.719
<v Speaker 1>heavy marijuana user, the Kurgan. Yeah. Yeah, we had a

0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:29.439
<v Speaker 1>lot of brown. That's how you get that, like really

0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 1>nice smoky deep voice. That's smoky ground clancy brown. Uh. Additionally,

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 1>we see from eleven twenty two to nine BC Chinese

0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Child Dynasty burial sites that reveal himpcloth fragments. In Egypt,

0:39:45.320 --> 0:39:48.160
<v Speaker 1>we've seen cannabis pollen in the tombs of Uh in

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:50.560
<v Speaker 1>the tomb of ram Ramesses the second and that's from

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:55.240
<v Speaker 1>around twelve seventy nine to twelve thirteen BC, and several

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:58.919
<v Speaker 1>mummies UH from that time period contain trace cannabinoids as well.

0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:02.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, based on our episode on preparing mummies in

0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Egyptian burial and knowing all of the different like spices

0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:10.440
<v Speaker 1>and things like that they stuffed inside the orifices of bodies,

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:15.279
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if they were stuffing um cannabis in there

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:19.200
<v Speaker 1>as well, has like a potential, uh, I don't know,

0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:22.200
<v Speaker 1>like way of preserving the corpse. So then we get

0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:24.560
<v Speaker 1>to a thousand BC, and this is when hemp cloth

0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:28.040
<v Speaker 1>from a debris pile is found in modern day Turkey

0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:33.560
<v Speaker 1>near Anjara, Jordan's and fragments of paper containing hemp fiber

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 1>have been found in Chinese graves dating back to the

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:39.839
<v Speaker 1>first century of BC. Now we're closing in on our

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:41.840
<v Speaker 1>own present age here, but in two d b c.

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Chulie writes of hemp's use as a fiber in particular,

0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 1>there's evidence of cannabis as a domesticated seed crop. So

0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:54.359
<v Speaker 1>we know that, you know, somewhere through those times it's

0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:59.680
<v Speaker 1>it's domesticated, it's become part of agriculture, and uh, it's

0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:02.560
<v Speaker 1>being is medicinally. Yeah, it does hemp too. Yeah, So

0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:04.719
<v Speaker 1>it's easily it's easy to sort of put ourselves in

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:08.799
<v Speaker 1>the in the mindset of of early individuals who like

0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:11.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe they discovered the the use of himp first and

0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:14.480
<v Speaker 1>then began to discover this other property. Um, you know,

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:17.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe they sort of discovered each independently, but pretty early.

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 1>On cannabis, in one form or another, it becomes an

0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:24.279
<v Speaker 1>important crop and a crop that that that knowledge of

0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:27.480
<v Speaker 1>is passed from generation degeneration. Yeah. Now, and this is

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:30.520
<v Speaker 1>one of those like I can only imagine, uh, like

0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 1>horrible pot humor of like a bunch of stoners sitting

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:38.960
<v Speaker 1>around and being like man like who first figured this out?

0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:42.319
<v Speaker 1>Like that they just like smoke every plant they came across, well,

0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:44.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, in a way. And we'll get to that.

0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:48.560
<v Speaker 1>There's a there is concerning that. Um. Now, a lot

0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:50.360
<v Speaker 1>a lot of this we've talked about this concerning that

0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:53.760
<v Speaker 1>they help. But what about the actual smoking of the marijuana,

0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:57.080
<v Speaker 1>the actual consumption of of the cannabis and the THHC. Well,

0:41:57.200 --> 0:42:00.919
<v Speaker 1>some of our earliest known evidence here takes us back

0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:05.520
<v Speaker 1>to thirteen twenty C. And here you'd have to travel

0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:09.640
<v Speaker 1>to the Labiala Caves of Ethiopia, where we find two

0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:14.719
<v Speaker 1>ceramic pipe bowls containing traces of cannabis uh. And then

0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 1>the Artharva Veda in two thousands to fourteen hundred BC

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 1>references something called bang not bong uh, a concoction of

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:29.400
<v Speaker 1>dried cannabis leaves, seeds, and stems. And this is considered

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:33.799
<v Speaker 1>like mild Indian cannabis, about half the strength of ganja. Yeah,

0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:36.759
<v Speaker 1>and I know we're sort of moving around in time

0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:39.560
<v Speaker 1>a little bit here, but so so sorry. For instance,

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:44.279
<v Speaker 1>this last you might get doctor who uh, tour of

0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:48.640
<v Speaker 1>the marijuana. Yeah. You will also find cannabis use interwoven

0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:53.160
<v Speaker 1>into tantric to traditions that have influenced both Hinduism and Buddhism.

0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:55.680
<v Speaker 1>And uh, I mean really we could just go on

0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 1>and on. You can't even begin to look at cannabis's

0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:02.759
<v Speaker 1>role in every culture in a UM. But you know,

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.319
<v Speaker 1>we thought to be interesting to discuss a few key

0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:10.359
<v Speaker 1>examples that are they're either interesting or have some sort

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:14.360
<v Speaker 1>of importance later on in our discussions. So one that

0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:17.600
<v Speaker 1>probably comes to a lot of people's minds is that

0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:22.040
<v Speaker 1>of the assassins. I'm not sure how how familiar people

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:24.200
<v Speaker 1>are with this. I feel like the Assassin's Creeds Getting

0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Creed games get into this a little bit. So maybe

0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:30.520
<v Speaker 1>I've played half of those, but I don't remember there

0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:33.480
<v Speaker 1>being anything particularly connected to this. But I haven't played

0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:36.279
<v Speaker 1>the first one. And that's the like if if my

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:40.520
<v Speaker 1>memory is correct about those games, that they're uh chronological

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:43.200
<v Speaker 1>in order. Yeah, and they have time travel and they

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:49.400
<v Speaker 1>do so. Just to clarify, hashish comes from the Arabic

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:53.000
<v Speaker 1>for dry herb, and it consists of purified cannabis resin

0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:56.600
<v Speaker 1>and is considerably more potent. And this would have spread

0:43:56.600 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 1>through the Arab world from seven to the thirteen centuries

0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:03.360
<v Speaker 1>due to trade, travel and war, which are generally the

0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:07.920
<v Speaker 1>things that move cannabis historically. And here's the thing, though

0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:12.759
<v Speaker 1>it was around not necessarily accepted. It's often considered an

0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:16.919
<v Speaker 1>intoxicant in Islamic communities and is therefore prohibited, though some

0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Sufi holy men have allegedly used it in their rights

0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:24.320
<v Speaker 1>as well, so that much is more or less accepted.

0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:28.920
<v Speaker 1>As for the idea that the Assassins that there are

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:33.520
<v Speaker 1>these dreaded um uh ashishing warriors that would have imbued

0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 1>and hashish prior to their attacks on Western Crusaders during

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:41.320
<v Speaker 1>the Holy Wars. Well, that is that that remains either

0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:46.520
<v Speaker 1>unclear or complete fabrications. There's nothing really to back up

0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:50.480
<v Speaker 1>that idea. Um, the Crusaders were the ones circulating these tales,

0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:54.239
<v Speaker 1>and it is a huge possibility that these tales were

0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:59.399
<v Speaker 1>just about downplaying um Muslim bravery, saying oh, well, sure

0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:02.840
<v Speaker 1>they beat but that was because they're they're they're crazy.

0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:05.920
<v Speaker 1>They took some drug that gave them essentially superpowers and

0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:08.320
<v Speaker 1>made them into mad man and came at us. So

0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 1>all right, I'm gonna show my ignorance here because this

0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:13.040
<v Speaker 1>is one of the sections that I researched. Is this

0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:16.560
<v Speaker 1>connected to the whole legend of Hassana Saba? This is

0:45:16.560 --> 0:45:20.080
<v Speaker 1>the old old man in the mouth? Yeah very much? Okay, okay, yeah,

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:24.759
<v Speaker 1>so so the these were a real group, Yeah, they

0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:28.279
<v Speaker 1>they existed. The idea that they smoked hashish some sort

0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:32.920
<v Speaker 1>of like a pre attack ritual, there's little or nothing

0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:37.080
<v Speaker 1>to back that up. Very different from our episode on

0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Wolf Spain, in which we did find that there was

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:41.960
<v Speaker 1>some kind of a connection between was it what was

0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:45.360
<v Speaker 1>it vikings or not vikings in particular, but a particular

0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:49.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of like northern European warrior that's sort of like

0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:52.680
<v Speaker 1>smear wolf Spain on their lips, so that they had

0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:54.759
<v Speaker 1>like foam at the mouth. Yeah, it's I mean, it's

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:57.239
<v Speaker 1>interesting because on one hand, you can imagine that being

0:45:57.280 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 1>the case. We know that there are various properties, uh,

0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:03.920
<v Speaker 1>in various substances that would be advantageous prior to rushing

0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:09.000
<v Speaker 1>into battle. But it also allows the loser to explain

0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:10.759
<v Speaker 1>away their losses like that, oh yeah, they beat us,

0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:15.600
<v Speaker 1>but they were totally doping. Yeah, exactly. It's the early

0:46:16.040 --> 0:46:19.240
<v Speaker 1>finger pointing of stereo ideas. And it's also interesting because

0:46:19.239 --> 0:46:22.720
<v Speaker 1>we see marijuana's use in the demonization of another culture

0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:26.000
<v Speaker 1>or or racial group and the idea that it turns

0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 1>people into into you know, monsters of some sort. And

0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:31.680
<v Speaker 1>all this comes up again when we start looking at

0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 1>the twentieth century America. Yeah, yeah, totally. Another cultural entity

0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:41.719
<v Speaker 1>that has has become pretty synonymous with marijuana uses that

0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:46.960
<v Speaker 1>of the Rastafari movement. Uh certainly, you know, you know

0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Jamaican music, um be a, you know, dub or reggae.

0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:56.960
<v Speaker 1>They're huge, huge influence of cannabis. Yeah, those artful and

0:46:57.000 --> 0:47:00.120
<v Speaker 1>I think like through most of like present day a

0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:05.319
<v Speaker 1>Western pop culture that is like a stereotype. Yeah. But

0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:08.920
<v Speaker 1>but certainly the Rostoi Rastafari movement is real. It's a

0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Jamaican Abrahamatic faith that rose in the nineteen thirties following

0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:17.160
<v Speaker 1>the coordination of highly Selassie the First as Emperor of Ethiopia,

0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:20.799
<v Speaker 1>and they thrived to this day. They recognized Selassie as

0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:23.719
<v Speaker 1>the Messiah, and they regard cannabis as a spiritual act

0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:26.880
<v Speaker 1>and a metaphor for the burning bush of the Old

0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Old Testament. Uh. And by the way, cannabis would have

0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 1>spread to the Caribbean during the nineteenth century via Indian

0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:39.279
<v Speaker 1>laborers brought in by the British um So, but this

0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:44.440
<v Speaker 1>is an interesting modern example where we see cannabis as

0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:47.000
<v Speaker 1>as a part of a religion, as a religious right.

0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Here in the States, you have you also have various

0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:54.839
<v Speaker 1>movements of i think varying levels of seriousness, such as

0:47:54.920 --> 0:47:59.239
<v Speaker 1>the Christian THHC Ministry, the Cannabis Assembly, the Church of

0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Cognitive Arapy, of course Temple for twenty. The list goes

0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:07.239
<v Speaker 1>goes on and on. But but throughout human history you

0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:11.920
<v Speaker 1>do see cannabis playing a role to varying degrees. You know,

0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:15.800
<v Speaker 1>maybe not as extreme as rastafari. But you see it

0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:19.120
<v Speaker 1>playing varying degrees in religious right. Yeah, that certainly makes

0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:25.200
<v Speaker 1>sense given it's a biochemical properties. Uh. And this thoroughly

0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:27.680
<v Speaker 1>connects right back to two of our more recent episodes,

0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:32.520
<v Speaker 1>the Cargo Cults episode and the hyper Real Religions episode. Yeah, yeah, totally.

0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:35.200
<v Speaker 1>And again we could we could spend a whole series

0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:38.360
<v Speaker 1>of episodes just going through all the various different cultural examples.

0:48:38.680 --> 0:48:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Now when we get to the United States in our

0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:44.360
<v Speaker 1>modern times, well we pretty much have to mention reefer

0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:48.800
<v Speaker 1>madness because, uh, this was if you were not familiar

0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:50.960
<v Speaker 1>with this, this was this game on the nineteen thirties,

0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:54.719
<v Speaker 1>and it was an exploitation propaganda film about how marijuana

0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:59.600
<v Speaker 1>turns young people into just raving maniacs, like joker faced,

0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:05.160
<v Speaker 1>maniacal crazy people or just like complete you know, gut

0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:08.080
<v Speaker 1>or crawling junkies. Yeah, and it's funny. I mean, like

0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:12.320
<v Speaker 1>the thirties, twenty years before the nineteen fifties when the

0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:14.600
<v Speaker 1>same thing was going on with comic books. Right, It's

0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:19.040
<v Speaker 1>a real tradition in the last century of American life

0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:23.719
<v Speaker 1>of finding a thing and blaming it for juvenile uh,

0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:28.520
<v Speaker 1>delinquents or hyperactivity or just behaviors that we don't find

0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:33.080
<v Speaker 1>that fits to the conformity of of quote traditional America, right, right,

0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:35.319
<v Speaker 1>and and in this case too, helping to bring about

0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:38.719
<v Speaker 1>moral panic surrounding the thing, which of course ties back

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:43.600
<v Speaker 1>into our episode on a satanic panic. But essentially, you

0:49:43.719 --> 0:49:46.280
<v Speaker 1>had u s laws against marijuana and other drugs, drugs

0:49:46.320 --> 0:49:49.800
<v Speaker 1>popping up in the nineteen twenties. Uh though marijuana laws

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:53.480
<v Speaker 1>at the time they didn't differentiate between himp and psychoactive cannabis.

0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:55.640
<v Speaker 1>And this is apparently doing a large part to the

0:49:55.719 --> 0:49:58.680
<v Speaker 1>influence of the cotton industry because they didn't want the

0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:02.040
<v Speaker 1>the industry to come in and take away their business

0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:04.600
<v Speaker 1>because it's like significantly cheaper, isn't it. Yeah, that's my

0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:07.960
<v Speaker 1>understanding of it. And then, uh so, so you have

0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:11.360
<v Speaker 1>the Federal Bureau of narcrott and Narcotics under Harry J.

0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:16.520
<v Speaker 1>And Swinger, and he waged war on marijuana just throughout

0:50:16.560 --> 0:50:19.440
<v Speaker 1>the thirties. He rejected clinical analysis that even at the

0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:22.759
<v Speaker 1>time concluded that marijuana did not induce violent behavior or

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:26.560
<v Speaker 1>lead to the use of more, you know, heavily addictive drugs. Instead,

0:50:26.680 --> 0:50:30.200
<v Speaker 1>he waged this campaign of yellow journalism and propaganda tied

0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:34.160
<v Speaker 1>in the evils of jazz. So you're you're getting, you know,

0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:38.480
<v Speaker 1>some racist tendencies right where we got the jazz cigarette.

0:50:38.920 --> 0:50:43.000
<v Speaker 1>The jazz cigarette also tied it into imperial Japan and

0:50:43.160 --> 0:50:46.359
<v Speaker 1>communism as well. So again this idea of that, um,

0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:50.239
<v Speaker 1>this heavy tone of this marijuana is tied to this

0:50:50.400 --> 0:50:54.799
<v Speaker 1>ethnic threat to the white female. Uh, because you see

0:50:54.840 --> 0:50:56.560
<v Speaker 1>that in some of the posters at the time. You

0:50:56.680 --> 0:51:01.160
<v Speaker 1>see like the marijuana brandishing individuals kind of a darker

0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:05.400
<v Speaker 1>demonic figure and of course he's preying on the the

0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:09.640
<v Speaker 1>the the Caucasian woman. Um. So it's it's really like

0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:12.040
<v Speaker 1>it's really ify the more and more you look at. Yeah,

0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like refor madness is one of those things

0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:16.680
<v Speaker 1>that like a lot of people, especially of our generation,

0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:18.399
<v Speaker 1>like kind of look at and they're like, oh, isn't

0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:21.400
<v Speaker 1>that ironic? Funny? Ha ha ha, But like it's just

0:51:21.960 --> 0:51:26.719
<v Speaker 1>another example of humanity just like pointing its fingers at

0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the wrong things, you know, and not really kind of

0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:31.360
<v Speaker 1>like taking a decent step back and looking at like

0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:34.360
<v Speaker 1>what the actual situation is. Right, And even though today

0:51:34.440 --> 0:51:37.680
<v Speaker 1>we can we can watch reefer madness and laugh at it,

0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:41.520
<v Speaker 1>that might even be on Netflix or something like that. Yeah, periodically.

0:51:41.600 --> 0:51:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I think it's it may be in the public domain.

0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:45.759
<v Speaker 1>I know there's a riff track on it and and

0:51:45.840 --> 0:51:48.719
<v Speaker 1>it is just goofy and and an awful But we're

0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:50.880
<v Speaker 1>still to a large extent living in its shadow, right,

0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:55.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean that that era of of cannabis, a version

0:51:56.040 --> 0:52:00.840
<v Speaker 1>of moral panics around surrounding cannabis like that never truly

0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:03.200
<v Speaker 1>completely went away. I mean, it's certainly that we had

0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:05.520
<v Speaker 1>cultural shifts we had the nineteen sixties and in the

0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:08.719
<v Speaker 1>post nineteen sixties. Um. And we've touched on this before

0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:10.360
<v Speaker 1>in a M d m A episodes just about like

0:52:10.400 --> 0:52:13.000
<v Speaker 1>the difficulty of coming back from that even with just

0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:17.360
<v Speaker 1>clinical research. Yeah, right, exactly, and that we'll talk about

0:52:17.360 --> 0:52:19.640
<v Speaker 1>that more in the next episode, the sequel to this

0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:24.560
<v Speaker 1>about medicinal applications. But it's like tremendously difficult to do

0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:28.480
<v Speaker 1>studies on this stuff because of the results of this

0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:33.320
<v Speaker 1>sort of movement that Robert's describing. So where this interesting

0:52:33.360 --> 0:52:35.359
<v Speaker 1>point in history, right, We've we've seen a great deal

0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:40.840
<v Speaker 1>of post drug war decriminalization overall and overall cultural acceptance

0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:44.920
<v Speaker 1>outside of the US, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Switzerland, the Netherlands

0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:49.720
<v Speaker 1>and Belgium of all decriminalized marijuana possession to varying degrees,

0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:52.800
<v Speaker 1>and it's also quite villa, but it's also quite vilified

0:52:53.239 --> 0:52:57.800
<v Speaker 1>and outlawed in such places as the United Ara, Memirates, Indonesia, Malaysia,

0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:00.600
<v Speaker 1>the Philippines, and Japan. I can tell you having lived

0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:05.040
<v Speaker 1>in Singapore as they could, it is not very welcome there. Uh. Yeah.

0:53:05.239 --> 0:53:09.839
<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting because I just recently took a trip

0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:14.799
<v Speaker 1>to Portland, Oregon, uh and the medical dispensaries are all

0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:17.480
<v Speaker 1>over the place there now. Uh. And it was so

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<v Speaker 1>it was such a like culture shock thing, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in America, but this is a very different America

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<v Speaker 1>than Georgia, where I can't imagine the medical dispensaries happening

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<v Speaker 1>anytime soon. But like, yeah, it was like dunkin Donuts,

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<v Speaker 1>Like on every block there was a little shop with

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<v Speaker 1>and they're very professional looking. They didn't look like head

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<v Speaker 1>shops or anything, you know. They had like nice, nice

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<v Speaker 1>signs with a little green uh plus symbol to to

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<v Speaker 1>signify what it was for. It was everywhere. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting to just try and figure out where we

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<v Speaker 1>are in the overall continuing history of marijuana, Like, is

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<v Speaker 1>this is this the peak? Like every is everything about

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<v Speaker 1>to go? Uh in an entirely different direction? Is it? Can? Can? Can?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you continue to change towards acceptance and research? I

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<v Speaker 1>think our generation Maybe it's just the people that I

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<v Speaker 1>spend time with, but I really feel like our generation

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<v Speaker 1>isn't as easily fooled by the whole reefer madness rhetoric, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we think about it a little bit more maturely

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<v Speaker 1>than that and and realize like the actual benefits and

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<v Speaker 1>adversities of cannabis on the brain at least, I like

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<v Speaker 1>to think, so, um yeah, So hopefully that like the

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<v Speaker 1>current generation and then even the most the most recent

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<v Speaker 1>generations to sort of reach that acceptable ami acceptable however

0:54:35.640 --> 0:54:38.040
<v Speaker 1>you want to look at it, uh, you know, drug

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<v Speaker 1>experimentation age, Like hopefully they are injuring into it with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more balanced information and not just like fearmongering

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<v Speaker 1>on one side and uh and you know hippie mumbo

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<v Speaker 1>jumbo on the other, but the middle path that incorporates

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<v Speaker 1>some level headed decision. Yeah, totally. Like I said, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to see us go back to some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like shamanistic cultural thing where you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate that when you've reached the age that it will

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<v Speaker 1>no longer deform your brain. So on that note, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we should pause, uh, sign out for today, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you can rejoin us in the next episode, which

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<v Speaker 1>will publish on Thursday, where we will talk about medicinal

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<v Speaker 1>marijuana and all the different things that can be used.

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<v Speaker 1>It can be used for it's associated with, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>if there's something that we just briefly touched on in

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, or that we briefly touch on in the

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<v Speaker 1>next episode, and you think yourself, hey, I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>hear more on that, let us know, because there's there

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<v Speaker 1>are so many areas in these two episodes that we

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<v Speaker 1>could really blow it out and do an additional episode

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<v Speaker 1>or two related to the content. Yeah. And in addition

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, we've been talking, like I said at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the episode, about doing like a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of ongoing series of these where you know, not like

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<v Speaker 1>every week, but every you know, a couple of months,

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<v Speaker 1>will explore a different drug. And you know, like we've

0:55:57.000 --> 0:55:59.279
<v Speaker 1>thrown around the idea of doing one on ayahuasca. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Joe's interested and is it d M t um

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, let us know, if there's a particular

0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:08.200
<v Speaker 1>thing out there that you want us to cover, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, let us know, uh and and we'll try to,

0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:14.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, basically take the same framework and apply it there. Indeed,

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