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Speaker 1: is Prime Cuts, the best of the Colin Coward Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Another crazy NFL offseason week, The always Tied in Mary

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Speaker 1: kay Cabot insights on the Browns landing, DeShawn Watson and

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Speaker 1: the ugly Baker Mayfield divorce. Cowboy insider Matt Moseley looks

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Speaker 1: at how Dallas Plans drew a place of Marie Cooper

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Speaker 1: and Randy Gregory. So far, no answers. Maverick's owner Mark Cuban,

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Speaker 1: his relationship with Luca. What's next in business in the media,

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Speaker 1: But first my top takes of the week. A lot

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Speaker 1: of NFL stuff to talk about. Okay, Deshaun Watson's now

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Speaker 1: a member of the Cleveland Browns, and the Browns are

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Speaker 1: going to look to trade Baker Mayfield. Let me start

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Speaker 1: with this. Baker Mayfield's market is really small, so just

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Speaker 1: go team by team in the AFC and NFC. I'd

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Speaker 1: make the argument the only place Baker Mayfield's a viable

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Speaker 1: option is Seattle. Tough division don't have a starter, fairly desperate,

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Speaker 1: seventy year old coachs that wants to win now. He's

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Speaker 1: not going to go to New Orleans. They wanted to

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Speaker 1: go big game hunting with Deshaun and missed out. He's

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Speaker 1: not going to Atlanta. Matt Ryan may get an extension,

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Speaker 1: He's got one year left and he's too expensive. He's

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Speaker 1: not going to Carolina. They're already paying eighteen million for

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. The Jets are staying with their guy. The

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Speaker 1: Giants are staying with their guy. Washington got their guy,

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Speaker 1: Philly's standing with their guy. Look around the National Football League,

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Speaker 1: it seems to me the spot is Seattle. I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's worth probably more than a sixth round pick,

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Speaker 1: maybe a fifth. Remember, so when he got one year

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Speaker 1: left in a contract and he's expensive at eighteen million,

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Speaker 1: what are you going to give up for Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: There's no guarantee you get him for two years. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not so sure Seattle is not going to draft

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Speaker 1: so there's not much of a market. Cleveland's not going

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Speaker 1: to get much as far as Deshaun Watson. Listen, he's

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Speaker 1: got a lot of detractors. He's better than Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: The Browns today are better than they we're a year ago.

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Speaker 1: Here's the issue with Deshaun Watson. It's a super expensive contract.

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Speaker 1: So at some point, not this year, but at some

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Speaker 1: point in the next three to four years, you have

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Speaker 1: to pay the piper on this stuff. You're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to probably move off a couple of expensive players. So

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Speaker 1: I've said this with Dak and I'll say it with

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Speaker 1: But when you pay Deshaun Watson to be the highest

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Speaker 1: paid quarterback in the NFL, and in my opinion. He's

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Speaker 1: not a top five quarterback in the NFL. He's somewhere

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Speaker 1: between eight and twelve. But we haven't seen him play much,

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Speaker 1: last two years. So I don't like the contract. If

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Speaker 1: So just look at the division. The Bengals of upgraded

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Speaker 1: There's a real chance Deshaun Watson doesn't plan in September.

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Speaker 1: So if you're a Browns fan, this is a long

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Speaker 1: He may not plan in September and early October. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of unknowns with Deshaun Watson. And if you

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Speaker 1: Garoppolo is signed before Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield is now

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Speaker 1: elite all time talent. All that's left is Baker and

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Speaker 1: Is he the least talented, No? Is he the least healthy? No,

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Speaker 1: that's Garoppolo. His inability to get along with people, His

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Speaker 1: I heard he was difficult to the Senior Bowl. I'm

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Speaker 1: not beating up on anybody. There's no reason for Baker

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have twenty two civil cases. He doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a weak arm like Trabisky, and he's not that expensive

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Speaker 1: It matters on the coasts too. One of the most

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Speaker 1: shocking moves, or perhaps the most shocking move of the

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Speaker 1: an interior defensive lineman from South Carolina who's twenty two

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Speaker 1: Adams in the AFC West with an elite quarterback. We're

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Speaker 1: the draft now can go after and help the right

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Speaker 1: Chandler Jones to go with Max Crosby. It created clarity.

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Speaker 1: By getting Davanta Adams, it created clarity. Let's solve the

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Speaker 1: solve our secondary. Everything else, they're good. I'll say this.

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Speaker 1: Adams or a number two receiver is different. My wife

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Speaker 1: intense pressure on Aaron Rodgers and he doesn't have his

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Speaker 1: this is a whole different ball game. Now, remember green

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Speaker 1: Bay again is going to have a first place schedule.

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Speaker 1: You can go look at who the Packers play. The

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Speaker 1: games are not in order yet, go look at their schedule.

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Speaker 1: It's again a rough one for green Bay. I thought

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Speaker 1: it was a staggering loss in a league that is

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Speaker 1: increasingly about quarterbacks, their weapons and pass rushes. They don't

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Speaker 1: it's a bunch of three in fours and they may

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Speaker 1: be all fours. Matt Stafford signed a contract extension. No

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Speaker 1: big press conference, no drama, no holdout. You would not

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Speaker 1: got some pushback. I said, how do we know that

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Speaker 1: Stafford's not a better quarterback than Aaron Rodgers. Matt Stafford

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Speaker 1: and those guys, well, I would think that they have

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Speaker 1: had some conversations with the league, and they have probably

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Speaker 1: had some indication of what that suspension could be before

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Speaker 1: they took this on. And of course it's probably an estimate,

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Speaker 1: but I would guess somewhere around six games. If it's

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Speaker 1: eight games, you know, maybe they hope that it gets

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Speaker 1: knocked back a little bit somehow, but I think that,

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Speaker 1: you know, you could expect there'll be somewhere between four

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Speaker 1: and eight games that he will miss. I mean, Kareem

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Speaker 1: Hunt missed eight games for his indiscretions, which included, you know,

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Speaker 1: on video kicking a woman in the hallway of his apartment.

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Speaker 1: So um, So I would think that it's it's somewhere

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Speaker 1: around there and that's going to be something that they're

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Speaker 1: going to have to deal with. And I think that

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Speaker 1: you know, this is big. This is this is the

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Speaker 1: most one of the most controversial stories in the history

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Speaker 1: of the NFL. I mean, this is big and the

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Speaker 1: way and this story is I think it has a

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Speaker 1: tendency to I think it might kind of take on

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Speaker 1: a life of its own, that's right. And I mean

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Speaker 1: there are twenty two civil lawsuits pending right now, and

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Speaker 1: unless they settle these suits and dispatch them and get

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Speaker 1: that figured out, I mean, this could go on for

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Speaker 1: a long time. And then the other thing to consider

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Speaker 1: is what if somebody else comes out of the woodwork,

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Speaker 1: what if there is another criminal complaint, you know. I

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Speaker 1: mean I think that people need to be realistic. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what if something like that happens. So I think that

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Speaker 1: this is an enormous thing that they took on, and

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Speaker 1: I think I think they feel very confident that they

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Speaker 1: were justified in doing so and that it's going to

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Speaker 1: work out just fine for them. But it's going to

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Speaker 1: be a long, hard road and there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: work to do for everybody involved. I think in the end, though,

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Speaker 1: Mary came I takeaway and Baker was, it was time

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Speaker 1: for a split. You know, Baker's Baker's almost better to

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Speaker 1: date than Mary. You know, if I could use that metaphor,

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Speaker 1: It's just Cleveland has had enough rockiness in their life.

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Speaker 1: They really need an adult. That's why I thought Matt

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Speaker 1: Ryan was such a good fit. They kind of need

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Speaker 1: a steady hand, which they arguably haven't had since Bernie

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Speaker 1: cos aar Brian Sipe. I always had my misgivings about

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Speaker 1: this because you had a very impulsive owner, you had

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Speaker 1: moving parts GM coach. I just thought he was the

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Speaker 1: wrong you know. I thought he was the wrong personality

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Speaker 1: for the wrong time in Cleveland. Now I may look

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Speaker 1: smart today, but I always had this kind of feeling

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Speaker 1: like Dorsey's ego and Haslem's ego and Baker's ego, it's

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Speaker 1: just it's just too combustible. Did you have a moment

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Speaker 1: in the first year or two and you thought this

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Speaker 1: is going to be a circus. Oh yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was at the Senior Bowl before he was even

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Speaker 1: before he was even drafted. It was at the Senior

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Speaker 1: Bowl when I went there to study Josh Allen and

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield and really get a firsthand look at both

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Speaker 1: of those guys, their personalities, the way they treated people,

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Speaker 1: the way they treated staff members, the way they handled

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Speaker 1: themselves in the media, the way the ball came off

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Speaker 1: their hand, all the things that I that I try

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Speaker 1: to see when I go to a Senior Bowl because

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Speaker 1: it's the last time you get to see these guys

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Speaker 1: play some actual football before the draft and back then,

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Speaker 1: the way that I watched him move around the Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 1: I didn't like what I saw. I did not like

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Speaker 1: what I saw at the Senior Bowl. I did not

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Speaker 1: like it. And I shared my feelings with members of

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Speaker 1: the organization and they know it. I mean like I did,

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Speaker 1: just because I was like, I am not feeling it

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Speaker 1: in terms of the leadership, the character, and all of

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Speaker 1: those things that you know that you would expect that

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Speaker 1: you would want out of your face of your franchise.

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Speaker 1: But I will say this, and this is important. They

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Speaker 1: shot right back at me and said, that's what we're

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Speaker 1: looking for. We're looking for the crotch grabbin, flag planting

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Speaker 1: dude that can pull this team up out of the doldrums.

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Speaker 1: And now, of course you're talking about John Dorsey, Like

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Speaker 1: you said, John Dorsey was the GM at that time,

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Speaker 1: and that's what they wanted. They wanted a little bit

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Speaker 1: of an mffort, that's what they want. They wanted a

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Speaker 1: guy like that. Josh Dalen didn't have the personality that

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Speaker 1: they were looking for, neither did Sam Darnold. They wanted

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Speaker 1: somebody that was going to take this bull by the

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Speaker 1: horns and say, you know what, I've got you and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to take you where you want to go,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to kick some butt along the way.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's who they wanted. And that's why right now,

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Speaker 1: you know, you can't say you need an adult in

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Speaker 1: the room in the quarterback room when you knew what

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Speaker 1: you were getting. Now, of course, there's been a regime

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Speaker 1: change since then. There have been coaching changes since then,

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Speaker 1: which of course is the number one problem with the

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns over all of these years since they came

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Speaker 1: back in nineteen nine nine, one coach after another, one

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Speaker 1: general manager after another. I mean, they do have some

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Speaker 1: stability now, and I do have faith in Andrew Berry,

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Speaker 1: Paul de Podesta, and Kevin Stavanski. But we're still burning

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Speaker 1: off the residue of dysfunction here definitely, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and all of the instability. But that's what that's that's

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Speaker 1: when I that's he had me at Hello. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and you know what I'm just I'm just saying. At

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Speaker 1: that Senior Bowl, it was m and other people know

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. Other people know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: I watched him very very closely there, and I knew

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Speaker 1: that there were going to be problems bringing my buddy

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Speaker 1: Matt Mosley, longtime Cowboys rider, co hosts Doomsday podcasts with

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Speaker 1: Ed Werder. I have never felt the Cowboys are poorly run.

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Speaker 1: I never have. Um. I think they're competently run and

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Speaker 1: have had a fairly keen eye on Draft Day the

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Speaker 1: last several years. But I gotta be honest, weapons O, line,

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Speaker 1: pass rush all feel worse this morning. I feel like Matt,

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Speaker 1: they got caught flat footed a little bit in this

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Speaker 1: free agency period. That's my perspective from the outside. You

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Speaker 1: got boots on the ground in Dallas. Does it feel

538
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: like that to you a little? I think that's accurate.

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Speaker 1: And what really got my attention was what happened. It

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Speaker 1: was almost like I had gone on a spring break trip.

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Speaker 1: It was almost like the Cowboys had gone on one two.

542
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Speaker 1: The Randy Gregory situation was they can try to explain

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Speaker 1: it away. It was a major embarrassment to the organization

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Speaker 1: the way it went down, and with the backdrop of

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Speaker 1: the family drama, the rich Dalrymple voyeurism charges allegations as

546
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Speaker 1: well as an embarrassing story for Jerry that he apparently

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Speaker 1: has a child that no one's known about out there

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Speaker 1: and has maybe been making some payments but had not

549
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Speaker 1: much of a relationship with if any. When you weigh

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Speaker 1: everything that's going on, I think it made the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: look even worse. And one of the things I think

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Speaker 1: when you think they have competent and I would agree

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Speaker 1: with you up to a certain extent, I think some

554
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,239
Speaker 1: of these drafts have been okay. But one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons Jerry loves being on so much and loves being

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Speaker 1: at the combine that sometimes I think we get confused

557
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Speaker 1: by his accessibility is like it equates to some level

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Speaker 1: of competence, and I don't know if that's always correct,

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Speaker 1: And I will say the one to me. Now, Jerry

560
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: has to be embarrassed about all this other stuff out there.

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Speaker 1: But I think some of the negative stuff that happened

562
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Speaker 1: on the field, free agency type stuff falls on Stephen,

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Speaker 1: and I think Stephen is going to have to answer

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Speaker 1: for some of these things. And right now, when you

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Speaker 1: look at what everybody else is doing, and some of

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Speaker 1: these cowboys, by the way you say the line they've

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00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: ended up on the Miami Dolphins line, you look at

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Speaker 1: what some of the other teams have done, and the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys don't seem to be keeping up. So I think

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00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: the criticism is accurate and necessary. Yeah, you know, the

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Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer employment as special consultant, it feels kind of desperate.

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, from the outside, I'm like, listen, man,

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Speaker 1: They've had a rough couple of months. Schottenheimer was just

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Speaker 1: run out of Jacksonville. I mean, I don't know, maybe

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Speaker 1: it's the Zeke contract. The league is becoming a pass

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Speaker 1: rush and weapons league. I look at Dallas today and

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Speaker 1: to me, they're not a top fifteen team in the league.

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Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, top of my head, Rams Bucks in

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Speaker 1: the NFC Bills, Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, I think today

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Speaker 1: Denver Chargers, Raiders, San Francisco. I mean, I start adding

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Speaker 1: these teams up. Am I too negative? I feel like

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00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: they've taken a major step back. I was really hoping

583
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: you would just name all the players from those rosters.

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Speaker 1: I'm really mesmerized by your ability to do that. But

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Speaker 1: I the only place I think you're maybe being a

586
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: bit too negative, and I don't really have any probably

587
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: anybody being negative about the Cowboys, but is that they

588
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: really only lost one member of the defense. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we can debate the Amari Cooper thing and how much

590
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Speaker 1: of a loss that was, but on defense, Randy Gregory

591
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: is gone. He had six sacks last season and he

592
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 1: looked really good. And that is an embarrassment what happened.

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Speaker 1: But that embarrassment probably shouldn't overshadow the fact that they

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Speaker 1: bring it to Marcus Lawrence back. We'll see what Fowler brings.

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00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: He's been a decent pass usher. They brought all their

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Speaker 1: safeties back, and they've brought there pretty much the rest

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00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: of the defensive line and linebackers so I think I

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00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: think probably the most dramatic improvement in the identity of

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00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: the team became a big play scoring defense, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think Colin that's changed that much. Their numbers would

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Speaker 1: suggest that they had some kind of great offense, but

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00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: we know how fraud alone. A lot of that was

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Speaker 1: because of who they did it against, and that they

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00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: go six and ozo against their division opponents every year.

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Speaker 1: But if you if I was going to say, if

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Speaker 1: I was going to make an argument against what you're

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Speaker 1: saying that they're maybe not a top fifteen team, I

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00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: would just say, with dan Quinn in this defense that

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Speaker 1: I could make an argument that they might be a

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Speaker 1: top five defense. And if that still stands for something,

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Speaker 1: then I think they're going to be more than just

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Speaker 1: a top you know, they're they're actually in the top fifteen.

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Speaker 1: You know, you look around at this free agency period,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's just batshit crazy. When I saw that

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00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, forget the dollar figure, went for five draft picks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I honestly I was reading it on the

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Speaker 1: air live. I'm like, Russell Wilson got five five draft picks.

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Speaker 1: In the end, they let Cedric Wilson and Amari Cooper go.

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Speaker 1: So that tells you they believe Ceedee Lamb is a

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Speaker 1: number one I'm not disputing that he can have the drops,

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Speaker 1: but he is a number one talent. They believe Gallup

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Speaker 1: is a strong two and they'll probably draft a receiver

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Speaker 1: that would make sense to me. Where do you my takeaway?

624
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: Before Michael Gallup got hurt? Not a great route runner,

625
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: big kid who runs well. But are you surprised they

626
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Speaker 1: have that much faith in Michael Gallup coming off the

627
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Speaker 1: ACL I am a little yeah, But I think it's

628
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: more of this appointment they them they had a chance

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Speaker 1: to move off the Amari contract than even what they

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Speaker 1: think a Gallup. I think they think a lot of him,

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Speaker 1: and I think when if he can get right, And

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Speaker 1: the problem is, I don't know when he's going to

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Speaker 1: be ready, but when he's right. As far as like

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00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: high pointing footballs, I mean, Amari Cooper was one of

635
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: those maddening guys. I mean, you know the numbers, the

636
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Speaker 1: route running. He was a tremendous route runner. He would

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Speaker 1: go on the road and just completely disappear in games,

638
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: and for some reason he functioned better at home. He

639
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: just had a he was not consistent in the thought

640
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: of him being at twenty million dollars a year. Receivers

641
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: crazy and now, and I think you've said this on

642
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: your podcast in TV show, these other teams would happen

643
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: with the Bengals with getting Chase. We're seeing so many

644
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: teams get tremendous the Dolphins with Waddle getting tremendous wide

645
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: receivers in the draft that it's it's a little bit

646
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: like we saw with running back. I mean, there's just

647
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: and that's why it's so shocking to see Tyreek and

648
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: some of these receivers get monster deals because some teams,

649
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: like the Chiefs obviously believe you can just land these

650
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: guys in the draft, much like it started to we

651
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: started to think of running back. So I think your

652
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: first thing you said was right. They think maybe they

653
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: can find somebody at twenty four or even in the

654
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: second round that'll be fine. A wide receiver. Think Tae

655
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Speaker 1: Kwon Thornton. Okay, Colin, you can look him up later

656
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: to see what university he went to, but think of us, Yeah,

657
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: there you go, speedy guy like a Tae Kwon Thornton

658
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: or something like that. But I will say this gallop

659
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: is when healthy. We'll see if he gets back to that.

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00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: There's some thought that he could he could be as

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Speaker 1: productive as Amari Cooper. And the problem with Cooper is

662
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: he just he's either way on or way off. There's

663
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 1: not a seventy eighty yards a game kind of guy.

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Speaker 1: He's not like one of these Chiefs receivers or some

665
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: of these places bills even you know Vikings that you

666
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: wake up and you're like, oh, that guy's gonna get

667
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: me ninety to one hundred and twenty yards every week.

668
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 1: Cooper went weeks and months at a time without getting

669
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: you over one hundred yards. But because he was from

670
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Speaker 1: Alabama and at one point, once you're labeled as some

671
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: kind of great wide receiver, it's hard to lose that.

672
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: So that just was a complete money dump. But I

673
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Speaker 1: think it's still perplexing to Cowboys fans that even knowing

674
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Speaker 1: that we know they're trying to move guys in the NBA,

675
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: we know in the NFL they're trying to move guys

676
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,959
Speaker 1: and that you still end up getting huge return for them,

677
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: and they basically got nothing for a more Cooper, although

678
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: then getting him off the books three years ago, if

679
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: you did on a pole in Dallas, Dak would be

680
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: the most popular player, Zeke would be number two, and

681
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: at the time Amari would be number three. He emerged

682
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: right when he came over this morning. And Cowboy fans

683
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: have been at this long enough where I mean you

684
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: do get some fanaticism. How are Dak and Zeke viewed

685
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: holistically in the league? Now? If you went to an

686
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: average Cowboy fan and said how good is Dak? How

687
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: good is Zeke? Are fans coming to terms in Dallas

688
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: with Zeke is really now a liability because of his

689
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: contract and Dak, it's been confirmed, is a B quarterback.

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00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: I think they're not there with Dak Zeke, yes, I

691
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: mean if they could move off that, I mean, Unfortunately,

692
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: nobody will trade for a running back that makes that much.

693
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: They would they had an escape on Amari. They can't

694
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: get out of the Zeke thing, and it's really become

695
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: another embarrassing moment for the team because they have to

696
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: start each year pumping him up and doing basically a

697
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: PR and they've already got all sorts of other PR issues.

698
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: Dac because of the nature of who he plays for

699
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: and some of the numbers he's put up in the

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00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: way he's covered. From a media perspective, you can he's not.

701
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: He's at too high a profile place and he's done

702
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: too much as far as numbers are concerned to end

703
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: up being viewed as a B quarterback at this point. Now,

704
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: if he has another down season, what he has going

705
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: for him is last year was all about the unbelievable

706
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: return from a horrible injury, and so that has provided

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00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: some cover for him. Um, And so I think I

708
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: think he's viewed still as an a quarterback, and there'll

709
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: be some people out there that try to make some

710
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: argument that he's around the top five or top seven

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00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. I don't know if I'm one

712
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: of those people. And I was the biggest back guy

713
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: God Lee. I mean when he came you were big. No,

714
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: he was. He was just an unbelievable story. But part

715
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: of it, I've always tried to Um explain this to you,

716
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: was was being around him so much as a rookie

717
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: and covering him so closely. I was amazed at the

718
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,959
Speaker 1: leadership in the intangibles and when you kind of see

719
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: that up close and see how people respond to him.

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00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: And by the way, that's still the case. Yeah, but

721
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 1: some of the on field stuff was very concerning this

722
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: past season. So like what he just the just the inaccuracy,

723
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: the turnovers, the mistakes, the way the playoffs ended, the

724
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: way you know, you think you grappolo, you know, you

725
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: go into a playoff game, you think you should have

726
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,479
Speaker 1: that advantage, and you don't. You don't end up having

727
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: that advantage. And I think what happens is these players

728
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: have the past ways on them in the sense that

729
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: Romo went through his period of time and never got

730
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: it done as a playoff quarterback, although he put up

731
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: huge numbers, and so Dak has to wear that a

732
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: little bit. And so sometimes you think after a season,

733
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,479
Speaker 1: well he's less like Romo, He's he's gonna be great,

734
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: He's fine, and then what's what has to And this

735
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 1: is such a huge season for him because he's making

736
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: enormous money, but he's aged twenty eight, soon be twenty nine,

737
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: and while that's still peak and should you should be

738
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: in your prime, I don't think he can afford one

739
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 1: of these middling type seasons. Again, there are enough sort

740
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: of coverage and fanaticism as you would call it sycophants,

741
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: as some others would call it, that that love this

742
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 1: team and in the way they cover it so much

743
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 1: that they're good. By the time he ends up next season,

744
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: he'll be talked about is lack of top five and

745
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: then he's got to go out and improve it. I

746
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: haven't completely closed the door on that happening. I mean,

747
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: like he's still far from like where we are with

748
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: like a Baker Mayfield or somebody like that today. Oh no, yeah, yeah,

749
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: But I always said he's a more popular Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 1: cost plus drug company. Okay, so, Luca Dante, I admit

761
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: I saw his grainy tape from Europe and I said this,

762
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: he looks out of shape. I don't like his body,

763
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: and obviously he proved me wrong. He's a tremendous player.

764
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: Most people view him as the singular player in the league.

765
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: They would start their franchise with today. But after his

766
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: first year there were questions about his fitness. How does

767
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: Mark Cuban broach that? How do you go to a

768
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: star who's going to be you know, if he went

769
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: to the Open Market, he'd have thirty suitors. How do

770
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: you go up to him and say, what did you

771
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: have for dinner last night? How do you approach it?

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00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: You don't. I mean, look, he's a smart kid and

773
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: he understands what's going on, and he you know, he

774
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: feels it playing the games. I think it was an

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00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: adjustment for him, like every nineteen twenty twenty one one

776
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: year old goes through as you start to mature, and

777
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: every one of us goes through as we enter our careers. Right,

778
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: you go from being a kid, even though he was

779
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: a professional kid, to being a pro and not just

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00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: being a pro, being a superstar. So you know, there

781
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: was an adjustment for him, and you know what people

782
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: don't realize about Luca is not only you know, is

783
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: he a top three, if not better player in the game.

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00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: But he's smart. He is so smart and he's got

785
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: such a good heart that those things together, he's always

786
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 1: going to try to do the right thing. And that's

787
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: just who he is, you know, Mark, there's the NBA

788
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: since the seventies. I was a Seattle Sonics fan Spencer Haywood.

789
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: Basically back in the seventies it was a players league,

790
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: and if you're not comfortable with that, then you wouldn't

791
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: like the league. I've always been comfortable it's a players league.

792
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: NFL is more about the shield. Baseball's often more about

793
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: the general manager, but international soccer, in the NBA, it's

794
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: about the star player. You were one of the first owners.

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00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: You may have been the first that went team playing, upscale,

796
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: locker room nutrition. You were kind of the first in.

797
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: You had kind of a different view of the world.

798
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: You were the youngest or first or second youngest owner

799
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: in and there's a there's a fine line now as

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00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: if you've aged between caring for the players and coddling them,

801
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: and that's a real line. I've said, I prefer Adam

802
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: Silver style over David Stern. The danger with Adam is

803
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: sometimes I worry that he's almost two pro player. And

804
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: what is that line as a as a sports owner

805
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: between really being there for the player but being tough

806
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: and holding them accountable. They are employees and you have customers, right.

807
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: It's a great question. And the first thing you do

808
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: is look at the players themselves, because the player of

809
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two is not the same as the player

810
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: of twenty fifteen, as the same as the players twenty

811
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Speaker 1: two thousand and five versus nineteen ninety five. The Internet

812
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: and social media have changed everything, and so you know

813
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: what a twenty one year old is into today, what

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00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: is important to them, How they communicate, how they communicate

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Speaker 1: with fans or each other, is night and day different

816
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: than when I first came into the league. They're already

817
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: brands when they come in right now with name, image

818
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: and likeness. They're wealthy brands in some cases, and they

819
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: recognize the things they can and can't do in order

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00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: to gain that income. And so by being a brandy

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Speaker 1: by you know, being on social media, not not just

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Speaker 1: for athletes, but for all of us. It's kind of

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00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: performance art. For all of us. We kind of pretend

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Speaker 1: who we want to be and show the side of

825
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: us we want to be seen. And today's athletes have

826
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: grown up that way. You know, the twenty one year

827
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: old had got their you know, their Instagram the minute

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Speaker 1: they were old enough to get Instagram, you know, and

829
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Speaker 1: they're going to snap that and so dealing with that

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00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: athlete today isn't about coddulating them or not coddling them.

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Speaker 1: It's about understanding them and understanding how they communicate and

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Speaker 1: what's important to them. My son, my twelve year old son,

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Speaker 1: my fifteen and eighteen year old daughters. You know, ten

834
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Speaker 1: years ago, if I twenty years ago, rather if I

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Speaker 1: had the same age kids, I'd be pushing them to

836
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Speaker 1: read books, thinking that's the only way to learn that

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Speaker 1: they you know, YouTube and TikTok they get as much

838
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: information there as they get anywhere else. Yeah, how you

839
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: communicate and how you connect to athletes today is geared

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Speaker 1: more towards understanding them than rather some definition of coddling versus,

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Speaker 1: you know, having them figured out for themselves versus you

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Speaker 1: know you're on your own. Well think about this, mark,

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Speaker 1: you didn't have Google growing up, and yet you're a

844
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Speaker 1: brilliant guy. My son is a sophomore in high school

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Speaker 1: and he is already looking at ways to get out

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Speaker 1: of high school sooner. He's a super bright kid, and

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Speaker 1: he's like, Dad, I know what I want to do

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Speaker 1: in life, cybersecurity. He's really good at it. He's got

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Speaker 1: an LLC. He knows what he wants to do. I'll

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Speaker 1: connect him with Robert Hertzemick from Shark Tank. You will, yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, Oh that's great. He So my point is

852
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: this is not only happening to athletes, but our kids.

853
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: We have an unequated education system in many instances and

854
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: brilliant kids. And not that it's a crisis, but I

855
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: think it's something as a parent, Mark you're dealing with this.

856
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: I have a fifteen sixteen year old son and a

857
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Speaker 1: twenty one year old daughter. They get bored more quickly.

858
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: They're not as challenged in these sort of static educational

859
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: block systems we have. What do you do to your

860
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: kids to say, hey, it's okay to be a kid

861
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: go swimming today. Well, but you know it's okay. Just

862
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: like look, we used to have the boob tube and

863
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: our parents would be like, get off the phone, or

864
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna go blind if you sit in front. You know,

865
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: now instead of the boob tube, it's the boob blurb, right,

866
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: because it's fifteen seconds thirty seconds. But it's a constant

867
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Speaker 1: source of information, and so it's not so much I've

868
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: six years ago, seven years, eight years ago, pre TikTok. Effectively,

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00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: it was okay, let's see where they are with their

870
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: social media, let's see where there are in their information consumption,

871
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: let's see what they're reading. And I still, you know,

872
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Speaker 1: bribe my kids to read. My middle daughter gets Jordan's

873
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: if she reads three hundred three page books, you know,

874
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Speaker 1: and get explained it to me. My older daughter is

875
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: past that, my youngest son or my son is twelve.

876
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Speaker 1: They they're on TikTok all the time. And so what

877
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: I do is I try to watch them with TikTok,

878
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: but also get on TikTok with them. You know, it

879
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 1: used to be okay, what books are in the library,

880
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: and what are they reading? Or what books cannot you

881
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: remember the scholastic books. We come home and there'd be

882
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Speaker 1: a check mark and you'd, you know, you'd get Robinson

883
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: Crusoe or whatever books your parents would pick and they'd

884
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 1: get delivered in the mail that was a big deal. Now,

885
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 1: I think as a parent, I try to pay attention

886
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: not only to their instagrams, but also to TikTok because

887
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Speaker 1: I can see the same As long as I'm looking

888
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: at the same type of stuff, I can see the

889
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: same type of feed and understand what they're learning and

890
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: have conversations with them. And so rather than trying to

891
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: just pretend that I can get them not to do it,

892
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: which I can't. It's just too easy to use TikTok,

893
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: really really is, And so I have to make the

894
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 1: time to get on TikTok, and I colin I by myself. Now,

895
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Speaker 1: you know how you get on the treadmill or bike

896
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Speaker 1: or whatever, and you try to kill time and you

897
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: just want to divert your attention. Now I use TikTok

898
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Speaker 1: like if I'm running or walking or biking, you know,

899
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm on TikTok just going through with the thirty second

900
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: or whatever clips and the time goes by faster. But

901
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: it allows me to understand my kids better. But it's

902
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,479
Speaker 1: still I don't worry so much about the social media

903
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Speaker 1: consumption as I do their direct messages, because you know,

904
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Speaker 1: they're still my kids and they're going to be available,

905
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Speaker 1: and I have to go through rules with them about

906
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: you know, when people dm you what you can and

907
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Speaker 1: can't do, and who you can and can't follow, or

908
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: who you can't or can't let follow you. Yeah. By

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Speaker 1: the way, my morning routine is coffee, fifteen minutes of

910
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: CNN dot com wordle for hopefully less than ten minutes,

911
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: and then and then TikTok. My wife loves TikTok. She

912
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: follows animals and food. It's just a steady stream when

913
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: that's the beauty of TikTok writing, the brilliance of TikTok.

914
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Speaker 1: It's all artificial intelligence. And by the way, hey, TikTok

915
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: like presentation of sports is the future of sports media, period.

916
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: End of story. It is the one thing TikTok like

917
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: presentation will say could save baseball in terms of sports media,

918
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: because baseball actually is the perfect sport to present every

919
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: at bat. So look at this way, TikTok uses ai

920
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: to present the things you're interested in. Yeah, So if

921
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 1: my son and I like Luca don Dunk's NBA stuff

922
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 1: and dogs, right, you're just gonna get a steady stream

923
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: of that if we do if Major League Baseball did

924
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: a TikTok version, call it red zone for the NBA

925
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: or red zone for Major League Baseball, And all I

926
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: care about was Zohaney, the Texas Rangers and the Pittsburgh

927
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: Pirates and every impactful at that you know, bottom of

928
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: the ninth or score runners in scoring position, and I'm

929
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: blazing through. It's showing me in real time a live

930
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: feed of just that at that or just that possession

931
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 1: when Luca has the ball, or just that dunk, whatever

932
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: it may be, from my favorite players. That's the future

933
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: of sports media because we're not going to get our

934
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Speaker 1: sixteen year old or twelve year old or fifteen year

935
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 1: old to sitting for a full game. It's just not

936
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Speaker 1: going to happen. If you were evaluating new companies in

937
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, two twelve, and two twenty two,

938
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Speaker 1: what is the biggest obstacle in this next ten years

939
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: for starting companies? Artificial intelligence? Because there's two types of companies,

940
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: those who are great at AI and everybody else. And

941
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Speaker 1: you don't necessarily have to be great at AI to

942
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: start a company, but at some point you're going to

943
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: have to understand It's just like the early days of PCs,

944
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Speaker 1: you didn't have to be good at PCs, but it

945
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Speaker 1: helped then networks, then then the internet and then mobile.

946
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: All these evolutions in technology, you know, you don't need

947
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: to know them to start a company. But even in sports, right,

948
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: I mean the conversations I have, it's not about analytics

949
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: and what's the best thing of analytics. It's about computer

950
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: vision and AI and pose estimation, and you know, precision

951
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: medicine and you know blood analytics, whatever it may be.

952
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: All these things that you have to pay attention to

953
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: that are really the things that have the greatest opportunity,

954
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: beyond player development, to give you a competitive advantage. Every

955
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: league has strengths and weaknesses. I don't love baseball's ten

956
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: year contracts. Football has regulated violence, but great players can

957
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: be hurt. Basketball doesn't have the punitive contracts, and players

958
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: don't generally have career ending injuries. But if there was

959
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: one thing with the NBA, now that you say, guys,

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00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: Mark Cubans commissioner for six hours, you got to make

961
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: a change. What is it? Referees um you know, moved

962
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: the charge circle outstomb. You know, Mark, I'll throw this

963
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: at you. I always this is what I believe about

964
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 1: the three point line. I would take out the corner

965
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: so it would go into the bench, because I think

966
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: it's virtually impossible to defend the corner three and the basket.

967
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: If you're big, like a Bosh Kevin Love, Durant can

968
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: shoot to three. But then again, you know it's not

969
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: necessarily a bad thing. You know that we just get

970
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: that scoring more. It makes you innovate more. So you know,

971
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: even even you know you've seen the mid range make

972
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: a comeback, because defenses are so in tune to take

973
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: in away the three pump fake and and you know

974
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: you step in. But oh okay, I know what it

975
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: would be. The rip through. I'd get rid of the

976
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: rip through so fast it make your head spin because

977
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Speaker 1: if you and I, if you're standing there and you're

978
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: defending me Colin, and you put your arms out to defend,

979
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: if your arms straight out and I do the rip through, right,

980
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: it's a foul. If I took that ball and hit

981
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: any other part of your body, it's a foul on

982
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: me right right. It makes no sense. The defender has

983
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: got just as much opportunity to put their hand as

984
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: long as it's not on your the offensive player's body.

985
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: But you know, you've just put your hand out and

986
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, put your hands out like you were taught

987
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: to play defense, right, hands up, hands out. If the

988
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: offensive player can reach you with the ball, they're going

989
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: to rip through and it's a foul. And if you're

990
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: in the bonus, that's you know, two easy points. Get

991
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: rid of that. Why do I have to in the

992
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: NBA match salaries on a trade? It makes you less

993
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: flexible as an owner, doesn't It less nimportal? But it

994
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: also deals with competitive balance, right because otherwise, you know,

995
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: even with the luxury text, you would have a team

996
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: with a five hundred million dollars payroll. Is that terrible? Yeah?

997
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: It really really is, because it's it's it when you

998
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: distort the economics too dramatically, it impacts fans, It impacts

999
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: the ability for competition. It you know, impacts ticket prices

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00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: because as much you know, sometimes you've got to really

1001
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: be concerned about where our ticket prices go. And I

1002
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: do get concerned. I mean, we've got four thousand tickets

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Speaker 1: of twenty nine dollars in under for every game, We've

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00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: got at least two thousand I think it is for

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00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: eighteen dollars an under and I get worried that, you know,

1006
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: we're not going to be as affordable as we need

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00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: to be, and so when salaries go up, not everybody's

1008
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: just going to absorb the losses. There's going to be

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Speaker 1: teams that try to pass it on. At the Volume Sports, Twitter, Instagram,

1010
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Speaker 1: go to our YouTube page at the Volume Sports. Subscribe

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