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Speaker 2: Let's bring in Steve Man, Bloomberg Intelligence Global Autos and

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Speaker 2: Industrials research analysts to recap Tesla earnings, help us look

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Speaker 2: ahead for this company.

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Speaker 3: Steve record quarter vehicle sales.

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Speaker 2: Which we knew, but operating profit plunged forty percent, and

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Speaker 2: we're now looking at a fourth straight quarters of following

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was quite a surprise. Given the volume of production.

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Speaker 5: You would think that, you know, the fixed costs absorption

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Speaker 5: it didn't happen.

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Speaker 4: Looks like, you know, looks like.

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Speaker 5: The appreciation costs increase for them, looks like the tariff

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Speaker 5: costs impact is greater than expected. And then even below

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Speaker 5: the gross margin line, the R and D costs went

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Speaker 5: out quite a bit. That you know, that could be

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Speaker 5: that's a sign they're pivoting to you know, the ROBOTAXI,

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Speaker 5: the FSD and you know the optimist robots.

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Speaker 6: And Elon Musk, I guess towards the end of the call,

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Speaker 6: made a plea for investors to approve this one trillion

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Speaker 6: dollar pay package. Quote this is from Elon. There needs

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Speaker 6: but not so much that I can't be fired if

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Speaker 6: I go insane. Mister Musk said, how did that go

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Speaker 6: over on the call here? And what's the thinking among

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure if money is important to him.

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Speaker 5: He does have a lot already, so I do believe

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Speaker 5: that it's more about the control of the company. Look,

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Speaker 5: Is he he does have that fear of getting uh

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Speaker 5: Look, the stocks, you know, the other thing is that

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Speaker 4: And you know, there are a lot of people believe it.

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Speaker 5: Who believes that the you know, he can achieve you know,

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of believers in you know, what the

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Speaker 5: That's why the stock is still down a little bit,

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Speaker 5: But the big difference is, the big difference between now

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's far from a startup. Now you mentioned how

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Speaker 5: Have a viable optimist robot and a lot of robo

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Speaker 2: Broadband Thank you, Internet Broadband. Company to report is T Mobile.

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Speaker 2: So we got to bring in our own John Butler,

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Speaker 2: who covers telecom companies for us to get us his analysis, John,

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Speaker 2: what's the verdict her on T Mobile?

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Speaker 8: So the verdict her Scarlett is it was a little

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Speaker 8: so that tells everyone it's a promotional environment right now.

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Speaker 8: I'll tell you, Mike is a tough act to follow.

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Speaker 8: People were all listening for any sort of a change

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