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Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: what's going on. Welcome to Move the sixth presented by

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Speaker 1: a R P d J. Bucky Back with you and

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Speaker 1: uh buck Man. We've got a great guest today and

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Speaker 1: we've got plenty to discuss. Yeah, plenty to discuss. We're

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Speaker 1: bringing on one of my former teammates, Mark Brunell, a

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Speaker 1: longtime quarterback of the Jacksonville Jaguars, also spend time with

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Speaker 1: And then we're talking about some of these early games.

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Speaker 1: But just your immediate reaction when you saw the news,

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Speaker 1: You know, DJ, this is this is a tough one.

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Speaker 1: Is tough for a few different things. Obviously, having played

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Speaker 1: win a bunch of games, you know you're gonna be

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Speaker 1: picking in the late twenties or early thirties, and you

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Speaker 1: have players that are gonna be higher picks, and you

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Speaker 1: know we have no shot at them. We don't need

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Speaker 1: to do all our homework on those guys. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: do your homework on those guys, because one one time

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Speaker 1: in their career, these guys are gonna be available and

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Speaker 1: on the market. And when you get Earl Thomas as

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Speaker 1: a free agent, when you get Marcus Peters via trade

438
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Speaker 1: mark ingram as a free agent. These guys were all

439
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Speaker 1: first round picks for other teams, had some success obviously

440
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Speaker 1: where they were previously, but the Ravens knew, having done

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Speaker 1: their homework, these are our type of guys. They go

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Speaker 1: out and get three first round caliber players via free

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Speaker 1: agency and trade, and what do you know, there are

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Speaker 1: three of the twelve Pro Bowlers. You said something, uh

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Speaker 1: that I kind of want to pressure on it because

446
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Speaker 1: you talked about our kind of guys and for years

447
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Speaker 1: and years on end, haven't had friends that worked their

448
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Speaker 1: coach there or whatever like people talk about. And it

449
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Speaker 1: originated there play like a raven. So if you go

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Speaker 1: all the way back to the time we used to

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Speaker 1: sit in the room and you were wearing black and purple,

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Speaker 1: what does that mean? What? What what is a raven like?

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Speaker 1: What what a descriptive qualities? Uh to being a raven? Well,

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Speaker 1: we always focused on speed, toughness, instincts. Those are the

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Speaker 1: three big things. Um, those are the main things we

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Speaker 1: focused on. But there was also something uh like a

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Speaker 1: raven finishes every play. You know, they played two and

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Speaker 1: through the whistle. There's a grittiness, toughness, nastiness edge to

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Speaker 1: those guys. Um, there's um. You know, they're guys that

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Speaker 1: in key moments in games, those are the guys that

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Speaker 1: end up making the football play. And it might be

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Speaker 1: might not be the fastest guy on the field, but

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Speaker 1: he's just got a knack for making that play. So

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Speaker 1: that's kind of how that all all came together. And

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Speaker 1: we we didn't care about time speed. It was all

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Speaker 1: play speed. So you focus on that, but really speed, toughness, instincts.

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Speaker 1: And then if I could use another word, I would

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Speaker 1: just add there's like a greediness that kind of a

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll word there. But it's funny, okay, because and

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Speaker 1: I believe this, and and you talked about the division

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Speaker 1: that you were in, having to face Pittsburgh twice a year,

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Speaker 1: having to deal with Cleveland h regardless of what Cleveland's

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Speaker 1: record is like, those games are rough and tumble, even

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals because they've had a level of success. Um,

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Speaker 1: I kind of liken it too. When I closed my

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Speaker 1: eyes and someone says the Baltimore Ravens are playing. There's

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Speaker 1: a vision for how they play, what their players look like, um,

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Speaker 1: the physicality and toughness that that game is going to

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Speaker 1: require for you to win, and those things. And I

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Speaker 1: think there was a time where you guys had a

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Speaker 1: rivalry with the Tennessee Titans, and the Tennessee Titans had

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Speaker 1: some of that. And when I was in Jacksonville and

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Speaker 1: we would come up and play the Baltimore Ravens, we

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Speaker 1: kind of knew what kind of rockham sock'em game it

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Speaker 1: was going to be. And so let's just think about

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Speaker 1: this from a a team building standpoint, Like you're you're

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Speaker 1: in charge of building a team. Do you believe that

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Speaker 1: those traits you talked about, speed, toughness, instincts, greediness, are

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Speaker 1: those traits what is necessary to be a championship team

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Speaker 1: regardless of where you play, where it's in the Northeast

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Speaker 1: and the south out west? Are those things traits that

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Speaker 1: can transcend where you play, who you play and this

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Speaker 1: typi style that they play, I think, and I think

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Speaker 1: you have to have those three now you can. You

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Speaker 1: can look at different teams around the league and they'll

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Speaker 1: have higher One team might have a little bit higher

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Speaker 1: level of speed like the Chiefs would be, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more speed, maybe a little less toughness.

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Speaker 1: Obviously still have a bunch of instinctive football players there. Uh,

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Speaker 1: some teams might be the opposite, a little more toughness,

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Speaker 1: maybe not quite as much speed. But I think those

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Speaker 1: are three the main components you've got to have at

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Speaker 1: least to an acceptable level. Uh, those three teams. I've

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Speaker 1: yet to find a great pro football team that is slow,

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Speaker 1: Like just doesn't exist. If you've got a slow football team,

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Speaker 1: you're not only good, you better be able to run.

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Speaker 1: And I can say the same about toughness and have

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Speaker 1: an instinct. Yeah, I think there's something to it. And

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Speaker 1: I think as we get to the nitty gritty of

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Speaker 1: the regular season and then going into the playoffs, I

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Speaker 1: think those things, uh show up. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: a coincidence that the teams that we're going to see

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Speaker 1: in the tournament they kind of have their grittiness, They

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Speaker 1: kind of have a toughness about them a lot of times.

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Speaker 1: And and look, there there's debates about like where the

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Speaker 1: running game and stuff kind of falls into the equation

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Speaker 1: in terms of winning formula, But One of the reasons

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Speaker 1: why you hear all these old school coaches talk about

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Speaker 1: the running game because in in in our minds or

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Speaker 1: in their minds, is it's a show of toughness that

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Speaker 1: at some point in the game, in a four minute drill,

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Speaker 1: when we have to have a guy to have it run,

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Speaker 1: our guys are tougher than your guys and we're going

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Speaker 1: to move you off the ball. And so that physicality,

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Speaker 1: that toughness, and then the speed element, I just believe

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Speaker 1: it works. And I think when you look at them

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Speaker 1: right now this year, the speed and explosive nous man,

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Speaker 1: when I look at Lamar Jackson, when I see Marquis Brown,

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Speaker 1: when I see those guys make explosive plays in the

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Speaker 1: run game in the past game is there. When I

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Speaker 1: think about the toughness, that defense is salty. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: defense runs around, they hit you, they they batter you,

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Speaker 1: they beat your quarterback up. They're unafraid to bring pressure

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Speaker 1: on any down from anywhere. But then flip that to

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Speaker 1: their offense. When you play that style of offense, running

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Speaker 1: the ball and you're willing to run it four downs

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Speaker 1: and and grind it up, there's a level of toughness

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Speaker 1: and physicality and grit that you have to have. And

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Speaker 1: I just think with the Baltimore Ravens, they embody those

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Speaker 1: trades that you say that they have said that that's

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Speaker 1: what we want to be defined on where they're one

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Speaker 1: of the teams where the vision matches the product on

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Speaker 1: the field, and that's why you see them win. You know.

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Speaker 1: I think about this buck as you you said that beautifully.

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Speaker 1: I think if you put yourself in a car and

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Speaker 1: you know you're driving your car and you have your

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Speaker 1: different gauges, right where's your you know, where's your gas level,

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Speaker 1: where's your tire pressure, all that stuff. If you're at

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Speaker 1: the end of a football season, you have to picture

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Speaker 1: yourself in a car and if you have the gauges

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Speaker 1: of speed, toughness, instincts, you know, I would put playmaking, ability,

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Speaker 1: gritting it, whatever. But that's the important time of the

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Speaker 1: year is because you have to look at those gauges

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Speaker 1: and say, Okay, we are a little bit low in

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Speaker 1: this area right here. We gotta get faster this offseason.

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Speaker 1: Are we got you know, we're we're not good enough,

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Speaker 1: We're not physical enough. We've got to go out and

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Speaker 1: get tougher like that kind of gives you, you know,

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Speaker 1: your your instructions of what you need to do when

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Speaker 1: you quote unquote going to the body shop in the

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Speaker 1: off season. So it's funny that you said there, right,

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Speaker 1: because last offseason I think when we talked about then,

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Speaker 1: we talked about they needed to upgrade their speed. So

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Speaker 1: what do they do. They go and get every athlete

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Speaker 1: that they could find to surround Lamar Jackson. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is a fast team. When you look at them,

567
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Speaker 1: they play fast, and some of it why they look

568
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Speaker 1: fast is because they beat you up so much that

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Speaker 1: you don't have a lot left in the late stages

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Speaker 1: of games. And that's when the speed, that's when the

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Speaker 1: speed really takes over. Because and we've talked about it

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Speaker 1: um away from the podcast, we talked about how the

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Speaker 1: way they create match us man. They have Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: going against all those big guys that you have on

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Speaker 1: the field to match up with their bigs, and he

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Speaker 1: is he He's a role running. He just runs away

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Speaker 1: from everybody. So after they beat you up for three quarters,

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Speaker 1: you still gotta tackle number eight. You gotta find a

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Speaker 1: way to corral number fifteen. And their speed is overwhelming

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Speaker 1: and it's one of the reasons why that offense has

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Speaker 1: been high powered. No doubt they're rolling right now, the

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Speaker 1: favorites to win the whole thing. All right, Buck, let's

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Speaker 1: not wait any longer here. It's uh. It's great to

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Speaker 1: catch up with great players. It's even more fun to

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Speaker 1: catch up with great players happen to be teammates of

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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. So here's our conversation with Mark Burnell. DJ.

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Speaker 1: It is always a good time when I get to

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Speaker 1: talk to former teammates, So we're gonna talk to you,

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Speaker 1: three time Pro bowler and my former teammate with the

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars, Mark Brunell. Mark, how you doing today. I'm good, Bucky.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you, man, Really good seeing you. Um look, man,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's always been a blast watching you play

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Speaker 1: and then to to to watch you go on and

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Speaker 1: played nineteen years in the National Football League, to hear

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Speaker 1: about you coaching and those things. But I want to

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Speaker 1: go all the way back to when you started in

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Speaker 1: Green Bay. Talk briefly about playing in Green Bay with

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Speaker 1: a quarterback developer and Mike Holmgren and being in a

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Speaker 1: talented quarterback room. Well, yeah, let me let me say

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Speaker 1: this first and I didn't play in Green Bay. Uh,

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Speaker 1: got a little time in pre season some guy named Brett,

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Speaker 1: some guy named Brett Farve there, you know he he

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Speaker 1: got all the playing time. But I'll tell you, Bucky,

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Speaker 1: it's it was the ideal situation for me because I

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Speaker 1: got to learn behind Brett. Tyd Deptmer was in the room.

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Speaker 1: Learned a lot from Tyd Deppmer. And you look at

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Speaker 1: that coaching staff, as you know, I mean Mike Holmgren, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Steve Murucci, John Gruden, uh, Gosh, Andy Reid, Ray Rhodes.

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Speaker 1: The list goes on and on a surrounded by some

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Speaker 1: great coaches Dick Geron and I didn't even know how

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Speaker 1: good it was there. But for me it was ideal

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Speaker 1: because I got to learn at the West Coast system,

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Speaker 1: very quarterback friendly in my opinion. UM got to cut

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Speaker 1: my teeth on that type of offense and was really

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Speaker 1: good for me. Steve, Mary, you did a good job

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Speaker 1: teaching me the fundamental So the fact that I didn't

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Speaker 1: have to play because I wasn't ready to play. I

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Speaker 1: didn't have to play sit back for a couple of

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Speaker 1: years and just kind of get acclimated to the NFL

620
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: was perfect mark. I'm always curious when you go into

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Speaker 1: situation like that and you see an otherworldly talent like

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Speaker 1: Brett and you're throwing one next to him. Is there

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Speaker 1: was there ever a moment in your young career where

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Speaker 1: you're you're like, wait a second, I'm not I'm not good. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: everything look at this guy like I just wondered if

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Speaker 1: that was there was a little doubt at some point

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Speaker 1: in time. I remember watching Brett. It was the first

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Speaker 1: seven on seven. It was a mini camp or something

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Speaker 1: like that, and he strolls out there. I just met

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Speaker 1: the guy and obviously real country strong. I heard he

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Speaker 1: had a strong arm. I didn't know a lot about

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Speaker 1: Brett Farr, but he was good. He was good to me,

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Speaker 1: real friend. I remember watching him in his first seven

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Speaker 1: on seven, the first practice. I was there, and I thought,

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Speaker 1: if I've got to be that, I will never make

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Speaker 1: it in this league because the arm strength and I

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Speaker 1: mean the accuracy. Now, you gotta remember when I was

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Speaker 1: with Brett Farb. This was pre m v P Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl champion Brett Farb. There was a lot of good,

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Speaker 1: but in there was a lot of bad too. So

641
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Speaker 1: I learned from from Brett what I learned most from

642
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: Brett was it was his toughness, the way he played.

643
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: He played hard. Man wasn't always pretty, but he played hard.

644
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: You know, Mark, they're always conversations about the quarterback room

645
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: and backups and the roles that they play when it

646
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: comes to the starter. Uh, you mentioned all the names

647
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: they were in the room, You and Ted, Denver and Brett.

648
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: What is the chemistry and continuity camaraderie like when you

649
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: have a really good quarterback room. Yeah, it's it's really important.

650
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: And Uh, I think for a starter, starters appreciate having

651
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: a good quarter back room. It's it's it's the safe place.

652
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: It's the place where you feel like you could you

653
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: con vent, you can share your frustrations, Uh, talk about

654
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: their players and and uh in a good way sometimes, Uh,

655
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: in a way that that really only your the other

656
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: quarterbacks should be hearing, because um, um, you really want

657
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: a quarterback room and the where there the second and

658
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: the third guy that they support you. Um, that they're

659
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: in your corner, that there are another set of eyes.

660
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: They want to make you better. They're there to to

661
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: help you be the best that you can be. And

662
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: but it needs to be a safe place. It makes

663
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: all the difference in the world if you've got a

664
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: guy that's your back up that all he wants to

665
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: do is take your job and will do anything to

666
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: get there. I mean, it sounds crazy, but it exists.

667
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: So having a good quarterback room is important because you

668
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: do you know, you talk about the receivers that you

669
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: like and the receivers you're not on the same page with.

670
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: You can't share those things with everybody, and a lineman

671
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: that are doing a good job, a lineman that are struggling.

672
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: So you have a safe place, a safe place to

673
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: go to where you can trust these guys too, where

674
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: they will allow you to invent any kind of frustrations

675
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: that that you might have. Market outstanding passer, but one

676
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: of more athletic quarterbacks. You know during your era, and

677
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: you look at guys like you and Steve Young, Um,

678
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: do you watch some of the evolution of the game now?

679
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: And I know with you coaching, I'm sure you've incorporated

680
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: a lot of these concepts, But are you a little

681
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: it's a tiny bit jealous if you could have been

682
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: able to have been perfect running some of the zone

683
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: read stuff and all this stuff that you see now

684
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: permeate the league. I mean, where we're Where were the

685
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: r p O s When I was playing, God, I

686
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: would have loved that. I mean all of my yards,

687
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: all of my yards really, I mean I might have

688
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: got a quarterback draw every now and then, but I

689
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: was scrambling, you know, And and I think you guys

690
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: would would agree that you you really can't make a

691
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: living in the NFL by just being a scrambler running around.

692
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta be able to operate out of

693
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: the epoch, out of the pocket at some point. But

694
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: now what you're seeing, um, it's really impressive. You can.

695
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: You can quarterback and run the football and be very effective.

696
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: We've seen that with Lamar. I mean, listen, about five

697
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: weeks ago, I watched Lamar for the first time, and

698
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: I remember, and I remember hearing him how great he was.

699
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, what's all the fuss about. So I

700
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: watched the game and it was Thursday night game or something,

701
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: and guys, I couldn't believe it. I mean, the the

702
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: armed talent, of the athleticism, the decision making. I thought,

703
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna revolutionize the position. And perhaps he's

704
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: doing that right now. I don't think we've seen anything

705
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: like that. You guys talk about it every day, but

706
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: but uh, I'm so impressed and it's gonna be really

707
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: interesting to see where the quarterback position goes from here.

708
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: But the kids amazing and you know what else, he's

709
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: a great kid. I met at met him at the combine.

710
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: I could not have been more impressed with them. Um,

711
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: so good for him and his success. But he's been

712
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: great to watch and Mark, I want I want to

713
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: go back to the run that we had in Jacksonville.

714
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: There was a run there where you man, you were

715
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: playing at a high level UM and then UM Coach

716
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: Coughlin obviously was ahead of those teams. When you go

717
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: back and you think about coach Coughlin as a coach,

718
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: I just gotta describe how he was so the listeners

719
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: can understand what kind of coach and we received during

720
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: that time. Yeah, listen, Coach Coughlin was. First of all,

721
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: he was very consistent. His expectations were very high, and

722
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: if you didn't meet those expectations, he was gonna let

723
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: you know about it. Uh. Yeah. There were rules, very

724
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: disciplined program, UM, and it was tough. It was a

725
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: tough environment. Uh, could you say that it was tough

726
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: to play for coach Cofflin. Yeah, you could say that.

727
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 1: And there were boundaries and if you stepped outside those boundaries,

728
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: there were consequences. Guys got fined. Uh. But all of

729
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: that stuff that I mentioned, Bucky, there's there's nothing wrong

730
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, it's old school, um. And maybe there

731
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: were times that frustrate a lot of players. I know

732
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: what frustrated me to be and that that much of

733
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: a rigid environment. But I'll tell you what, Uh, we

734
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: were successful. It worked, We won. Um. The guys uh

735
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: that we had were We're hard working guys, played hard,

736
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: won a lot of games. And it's amazing that that.

737
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: You know, when you win, those things are okay, but

738
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: when you lose, those things are tough to deal with.

739
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: And I think that's what the Jaguars are going through

740
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: right now, you know, because they're losing and you've got

741
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: these rules and these fines. People want, you know, players

742
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: want no part of it. But I've got no problem

743
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: with old school. I've got no problem with high expectations

744
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: and discipline program and being in a tough environment. My experiences,

745
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: Bucky that for us, it was very good in those

746
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: early years and again we won so so so more so,

747
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: now that you're a high school coach, do you have

748
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: brune outside? Do you have those guys work at operating

749
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: on brute outside? Everyone has issue at five minutes earlier

750
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: pass fartshoes on Khaki's college shares. That is that the

751
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: Mark Brunell hey coast that I'm talking to you right now. Well, listen,

752
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: if I can just get them to show up the practice,

753
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: I don't even care what time they get there. Uh,

754
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: you know what. It's funny you say that, though, but

755
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: because I find myself saying certain things that remind me

756
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: of coach Coughlin and uh, most of the time I'm

757
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: pretty even killed, laid back, but something about something about

758
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: Friday nights and and uh, you know, being out there

759
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: competitive because you're you're coaching these kids, and you know,

760
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: and you're you're rooting for m you're cheering for him,

761
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: you're yelling at him, you're encouraging them, all that stuff

762
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: that you could do absolutely nothing about what happens on

763
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: the field. So your your competitive juices get going. But listen,

764
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: I love what I'm doing coaching these young men and

765
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: the opportunity to do to hopefully shape their lives and

766
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: being a positive influence. It's great, but I do find

767
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: myself having a little bit of Coach Coughlin in me,

768
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: And again there's nothing wrong with that. I love it. Well, Look,

769
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: those kids are very fortunate to be coached by you.

770
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: I can't imagine having Mark Burnells as a high school coach. Mark.

771
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: We've asked how many different quarterbacks that have come on

772
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 1: in different coaches and general managers about the position, and

773
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: if in your opinion, if if you boiled it down,

774
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: like if you're trying to construct the quarterback, the two

775
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: or three traits you think are at the very top

776
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: of the list that you've got to have to be

777
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: a great quarterback in the NFL. Well, obviously you've gotta

778
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: have some arm, talent, some athleticism, and uh some good

779
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: college tapes, some experience. But if I was gonna pick

780
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: two qualities that I think are really important, I'm gonna

781
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: start one with work ethic. You gotta be a worker,

782
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: you gotta be a grinder. You gotta put the time in. Uh,

783
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: starting quarterbacks in the NFL, there are no days off. Um,

784
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: you might get a couple of hours on a Tuesday

785
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: or something like that, but there really are no days off.

786
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: The best example I have is Drew Brees. I was

787
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: with him for two years. I've never seen a guy

788
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: like that, not just quarterback. I'm talking about athlete work

789
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: in the weight room, in the film room. On the field,

790
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: you talk about putting time in. He had a great

791
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: has a great work ethic. And I think another quality too,

792
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: is a passion for the game. You really gotta love

793
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: the game. You gotta love what you're doing, uh, and

794
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: you've gotta love every part of it. Um. You know,

795
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: the tuesdays when you're in the building and you're watching

796
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: tape for five or six hours, You've gotta love that

797
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: part of it. And I think the guys that that do,

798
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: they turn out to be the great ones. Um it's

799
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: it is the Drew Brees, it's the Peyton Mannings, it's

800
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: the Tom Brady, it's the great quarterbacks. They got great

801
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: work ethic and they love the game their competitors. When

802
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: the lights go on, they play at a very high level.

803
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: H every day. They bring their a game their professionals,

804
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: and they just make people around them better. So those

805
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: two qualities, the work ethic and the passion for the game,

806
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: I think you're very important, very important for NFL quarterbacks.

807
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: So Mark you transition nicely in your post career. You

808
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: did a little TV, you coaching law high school ball.

809
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: But tell me what you're doing with NFL Legends and

810
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: the Legends community. Legends community started about six years ago now,

811
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: and and we we basically do our best to connect

812
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,959
Speaker 1: with former players. You mentioned transition. A lot of guys

813
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: have a tough time, Bucky, with transition. Most guys do.

814
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 1: So when when a player is out of the league

815
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: and uh, and some guys struggle for years and years.

816
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: We try to connect with those guys and try to

817
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: make that transition smooth, offer benefits and resources and opportunities

818
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: that can kind of get them on the right path.

819
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: We also guys, we we try to celebrate these guys

820
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: um what they accomplished, whether they played two years or

821
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: nineteen years, it's very special and that should be celebrated.

822
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: So getting the opportunity to to get in these guys

823
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: lives and and hear their story, find out you know

824
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: how they are connecting with their teams, connect them with

825
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: former te their teammates, connecting with the NFL. It's very

826
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: rewarding to see guys um um really do well after

827
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: after the NFL, and it's not the case for everyone.

828
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: So that really is our job. Guys. We we uh,

829
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: we really make a great effort to to make sure

830
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: they get that life after football for these guys is

831
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: as easy as possible. In the NFL does a very

832
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: very good job of providing resources um uh, mental health resources,

833
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: physical health resources, job opportunities and different career paths, continuing education.

834
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: The list goes on and on. In the NFL does

835
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: a good job and that's what we're trying to do well.

836
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: That is phenomenal. Well, Mark, you've been You've been very

837
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 1: generous with your time. We thank you so much. Before

838
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: you go, though, you are talking to tow two former scouts.

839
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: So if just for a brief minute here, if you

840
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 1: could put your scouting hat on. I need a scouting

841
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: report on Bucky Brooks's as a team. What do you

842
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: got for? That is hilarious. He doesn't remember I was

843
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: there for? What do you mean I don't remember? Let's

844
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 1: just say you want the truth? You want the truth? No, no, yes, yes,

845
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: but let's go First of all, Bucky. First of all,

846
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: UH was a very good teammate. You know, and I've

847
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: always valued guys that are just good guys. They come

848
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: to work, they work hard, they do their best. I've

849
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: always appreciated that, um and that was that was Bucky

850
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: talented player. But let's say, let's just say that the

851
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Speaker 1: first group is going against the first group and Bucky's

852
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: on one side. All I'm gonna say, DJ is this

853
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: is that there are some corners that you just don't

854
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: throw at their side. You just don't do it at

855
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Speaker 1: say I can honestly say that Bucky wasn't one of

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Speaker 1: the just un man. We have some teammates, man, we

857
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: have some good times like we had we we we

858
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 1: have some good times that Jack. I appreciate that that

859
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: crew that you were throwing to, Jimmy Smith and Keenda mccardio. Yeah,

860
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: it's hard to be a good corner when you got

861
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: studs out there that you could throw too. They were

862
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: pretty good. I was very fortunate those guys made me

863
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Speaker 1: okay for sure. Well, that was a lot of fun. Mark.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time, man, all the best. Alright, guys,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you take care of huh all right, Buck?

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00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: What a stud Mark brun Now, I think people forget

867
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: just how good of a player he was. And I

868
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: kind of crack up when I think about all those

869
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: guys coming out of Green Bay and haven't been there

870
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: at one time or another. Uh, if you want to

871
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: know about quarterbacks, Ron Wolf's a pretty good guy to

872
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: talk to. He is a great guy to talk to.

873
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: Ron Wolfe certainly understands the recipe and formerly he was

874
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: one of those that UH kind of passed along every

875
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: other year draft quarterback. Can't go wrong with a quarterback,

876
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: even if you have a surplus, you trade them off,

877
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: get more picks, do other stuff with him, and so

878
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: he has an eye for it. I think the thing

879
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: about Mark that that set him apart because I was

880
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: there at the beginning of what was a great three

881
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: or four year run where he was one of the

882
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 1: best quarterbacks in football. UM left handed, great arm, great

883
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: playmaking ability. UH may not get enough credit for it.

884
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: Like we see all these guys run around making plays

885
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: to do a threat ability. Mark Brunelle was a guy

886
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: that could do all that. If we could have taken

887
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: the game and played it now like when he was

888
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: in the middle of his prime, he absolutely could do

889
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: all the zone re stuff, run around and and make

890
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: those plays really good player in the combination of Mark

891
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: Brunel with Jimmy Smith and Keenan mccartio. Man, it was

892
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: tough to beat that combination. Tough, no doubt. It was

893
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: a fun, fun conversation. Appreciate him joining us today. All right, now, Bill,

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00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: I think we've got a couple of questions here before

895
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 1: we wrap it up. What we got alright, First one,

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00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: does the Brady vers Garoppolo trade you discussed the mirror

897
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: the decision the forty Niners made with Montana and Young

898
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: though the opposite choice. Well, that's a great question. I

899
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: think that's fair. I think that's a fair comparison. I

900
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: don't know Jimmy Garoppolo is gonna go on to be

901
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer like Steve Young was. But they

902
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: had to make a decision where they want to go

903
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: younger or stay with the guy who you know, brought

904
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: him championships, and they decided to go younger. Yeah, I

905
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: mean this is a tough one because, um, I think

906
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick is always on the front end of of

907
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: seeing where players are about to drop off, and I

908
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: think he deep down wanted to keep Jimmy Garoppolo as

909
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: the Sinsett to their Tom Brady. For whatever reason, it

910
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: didn't work out. So we'll see Jimmy Garoppolo go on

911
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: to San Francisco. He's having a ton of success. Looks

912
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: like he's gonna be a guy that eventually becomes a

913
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: perennial pro bowler and does great things. Uh, but I

914
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: don't know how you can knock it when they still

915
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: continue to win Super Bowls. I think the thing about

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00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty niners, Um Montana was able was

917
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: never able to win a Super Bowl on his own

918
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: when he left and win to Kansas City Steve Young,

919
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: I think only won one after the trade and so

920
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: and so. You would like to think that they would

921
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: have more success Right now, I think Tom Brady is

922
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: in line to have more success than either one of

923
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: the book. He's already has two in the books, so

924
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: they've had more success in that, but very very similar

925
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: in terms of being blessed with two. But I would

926
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: call really good quarterbacks and maybe the goat and a

927
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: great one. Um yeah, just tough. Yeah, I think you

928
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: can make I think you could make the case that

929
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: they both made the right decision, you know, opposite decisions,

930
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: but they both ended up making the right decision. We'll see,

931
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: We'll see what type of career Garoppolo has going forward.

932
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: That lands to that question, all right, what's the next

933
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: one here in the bill? Do you think Lamar Jackson

934
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: will be able to continue to find success next year

935
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: in the league at a superstar level? Like now, go ahead, Buck, Look, man,

936
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: I think I think it's gonna be the every evolving

937
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, meaning the way that he played this year.

938
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: Next year he's gonna have to unveil some more tricks

939
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: because everyone is going to spend the offseason dissecting that offense,

940
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: looking at how he played, trying to figure out if

941
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: there's a weakness to his game that they can exploit.

942
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: So the challenge will be can he remain hungry and

943
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: humble throughout this process no matter where it winds up,

944
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: if he winds up in a Super Bowl win, if

945
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: it winds up falling short of that. Can he take

946
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: what he's learned this year and continue to build on it,

947
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: Because I think that's what the great ones do. The

948
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: great ones always continue to add pieces to their arsenal. Uh,

949
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see what Lamar Jackson continues to

950
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: add to his game as he gains more and more

951
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: experienced in the National Football League. I think there's three

952
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: three factors there. If this is gonna keep rolling at

953
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: this you know m v P level that he's at

954
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: right now. Number One, health, Um, he's gonna need to

955
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: sustain his health going in the next year. Number Two,

956
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: I think it's important that he keeps Greg Roman around there,

957
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: who has done a beautiful job putting this this offense together.

958
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: But the third and most importantly, if Lamar makes the

959
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: leap from mere to or the leap he made from

960
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: last year throwing the football to where he's throwing the

961
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: ball this year was incredible, and the scary thing for

962
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: the league is what if what if he makes the

963
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: leap next year beyond where he is now? Like if this,

964
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: if this trend line just continues to go up as

965
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: it really has for him throughout his college career and

966
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: through a couple of years in the NFL, then no,

967
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not putting limits on this guy on

968
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: what he can do. No, I mean, I think that's

969
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: that's a great point. DJ. I think he put in

970
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: a lot of work and he he made significant gains

971
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: as a passing and I still think there's more that

972
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: he can improve upon. That think there's more to his

973
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: game in terms of being a traditional drive back passer

974
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: that he can work on and allow his game to

975
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: continue to grow and flourish. And I think what he

976
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: has to have his has to have to foresight division. Okay,

977
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: when my athleticism begins to decline, can my knowledge and

978
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: pocket passing ability go up? So then it becomes I

979
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: use my running ability, Uh, only when I need to,

980
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: not because I have to. And I think if he

981
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: just looks to the Pacific Northwest and he looks at

982
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: how Russell Wilson has grown and evolved, I think that

983
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: is a perfect model for him to copy. Russell Wilson.

984
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: If you notice he kind of saves himself to the

985
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: fourth quarter when it comes to running. He doesn't put

986
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: himself out there much early in games, but when he

987
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: gets down to money time, that's when he's willing to

988
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: use his athleticism. I think the evolution for Lamar Jackson

989
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: is to be a quarterback that is athletic enough to

990
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: do it, but he only does it when he has

991
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: to do it. And I think that is really really

992
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: important for him to keep him mind a great way

993
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: to say it. Um all right, that was a fun

994
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Speaker 1: episode today. Great to catch up with Mark Burnell talking

995
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: about the Jacksonville situation as well as a couple of

996
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: big games coming up. Three big games actually coming up

997
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: on Saturday, NFL Network triple Header. Cannot wait for that

998
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: uh buck atything else you want to add before we

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Speaker 1: get out here. No, man, I think this is terrific.

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Speaker 1: I just love talking to team. But I think I

1001
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Speaker 1: think I segment on the Baltimore Ravens was awesome. I

1002
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: don't think you talk enough about like some of the

1003
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: little lessons that you have, so I gotta pull it

1004
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Speaker 1: out of you because I'm fascinating about what you guys

1005
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: used to do in Baltimore. It was fun, man. It

1006
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: was great for to listen to you talk to your

1007
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Speaker 1: former teammate as well, Mark Mark Burnell. So fun episode today.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys listening. Remember all of our videos

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