1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Game day is every day. No, it's Texans all excess. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Hello Texans, and welcome to the podcast. Mark vandermeron John 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Harris with you as we talk about the Texans head 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: coaching search. It's thus search, Johnny. It's underway and seems 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: so official. It is search search. And we have a 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: lot of candidates that have been reportedly pursued or at 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: least requested to have interviews with the Houston Texans. And 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: as you're listening listening to this, maybe some reports have 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: come out that are different or adding to that, or 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: the Texans have actually had interviews and they've released that. 11 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: But let's just talk about some of these names that 12 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: are out there in the wind in the early reports. 13 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: I'm gonna name candidates and you give me thoughts and 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: we'll go back and forth. Okay, and this is, as 15 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: I like to say, in no particular order, which really 16 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: probably should be the name of my podcast, in no 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: particular order. But let's start here. I'm gonna go Ben Johnson, 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions offensive coordinator, who really had a nice year 19 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: with this Lion's crew. Top five and yards and points 20 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: and rushing yards. I think their top ten. I mean, 21 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: they really put on a show this year, and obviously 22 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: personnel has something to do with that. But looks like 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: this guy knows what he's doing. There's no doubt. And 24 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: when you say personnel, the first spot you look at 25 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: his quarterback, and that was Jared Goff was a throw in. 26 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: He was a throw in. Contractually, it was a Jared 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: Goff's contract that was getting traded, not Jared Goff. And 28 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, Jared Goff turned into Jared 29 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: Goff and he's been really good and that's been a 30 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: large part of what Ben Johnson has gone on. A 31 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: very creative offensively. He's been a coordinator for one year, 32 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: but he's been with the Lions for a few. I 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: like guys that have been a few places, but I 34 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: think it also says something about guys that have been 35 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: in a place and the head coach is fired, but 36 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: the new coach comes in and says, hey, I'm keeping 37 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: you here, something about you I like, and then you 38 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: may get payoff. And that's what he's done. So he's 39 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: from North Carolina, Ashville, North Carolina, went to University of 40 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: North Carolina, played with one of our Texans, one of 41 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: our Texans pro scouts I'm gonna call pro scout. He's 42 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: higher than that. I think he's the I think he's 43 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: NFL Pro Scouting Director, and that's Ronnie McGill, So you 44 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: know it's Ronnie. So maybe there's a connection there. Who knows. 45 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: But I like Ben Johnson as a candidate for sure. 46 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: I just think what he's done offensively with the Lions. 47 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: When you hear the numbers the Lions put up, you're like, 48 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: the Lions, Yeah, because of Ben Johnson. And obviously they 49 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: drafted well. They drafted well. Penney Sewell has been a 50 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: great draft pick. The running backs, they went out got 51 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: Jamal Williams, they drafted DeAndre Swift. But those guys were 52 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: there before Johnson took over. Yeah, and the offense just 53 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: kind of a Then Johnson takes over and it goes 54 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: to a completely different level. And that's without Jamison Williams 55 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: doing much this year, the guy that they drafted at 56 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: number twelve from Alabama, they didn't get much from him. 57 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: They'll get some in the future. But Ben Johnson's done 58 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: a tremendous, tremendous job. But here's the other thing I like. 59 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: There are a lot of NFL players on that offensive staff. 60 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: Hank Freeliott offensive line, Mark Burnett quarterbacks coach to staleot 61 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: running backs coach. And here cous Ben Johnson quarterback in 62 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: North Carolina. Didn't play in the pros, didn't do anything, 63 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: and yet he's leading that group. And you know how 64 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: former NFL players can be, They can be pretty provincial 65 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: about things and how things should go, and yet Ben 66 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: Johnson has got them at that particular level. And I 67 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: think that's really impressive. That's a great point, Johnny. I 68 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: also love it that Sean McVay left Jared Goff on 69 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: the doorstep, just kicked him out, traded him, and yeah, 70 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: and you know Stafford comes in, they went a Super Bowl. 71 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: So it all worked out for the Rams, at least 72 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: in the short term because who knows where it's going. 73 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: But Goff goes to Detroit and in year two they 74 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: have a winning season. And in all those years, what 75 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: is the twelve thirteen years with Stafford only had four 76 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: winning seasons. That's amazing to me. All Right, continuing with 77 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: the reported candidates or guys that the Texans reportedly wanted 78 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: to talk to, Shane Steiken, not Shane Steiken, because I'm 79 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: Sti Frankenstein from Young Frankenstein that great movie from the 80 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: site It's just Stike from the Philadelphia Eagles offensive coordinator 81 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: really molded things well with Jalen Hurts. And I saw 82 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: this debated on one of the ESPN Talking Head shows about, Hey, 83 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: Hurts is a big part of their running game. So 84 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: if you can't run with Hurts with his current injury, 85 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: how's that gonna be. We'll see, he's gotta be more 86 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: of a pocket passer. We'll see how that goes when 87 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: they get back to action. If he's not able to 88 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: run the way he was earlier in the season, who knows. 89 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: But Stiken did a good job. I mean, here are 90 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: the Eagles top seed in the NFC. Here's the thing 91 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: about Sti over the years, you know, I love coaches 92 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: that can adapt. So it's almost like, you know, I 93 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: think about coach in the NFL. It's sort of like 94 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: a It's like the Food Network show Chopped. It's like 95 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: what's in the basket, Like you go open the basket 96 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: and you go, Okay, let's let's look in here. So 97 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: he goes and he's the Chargers O SNI looks in 98 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: a basket. He's like, oh, I got a rookie quarterback. 99 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: It's Justin Herbert's It's pretty good. It's a rookie quarterback, right, Okay, 100 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: I got some receivers, you know, offense line is that great? 101 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: All right, let's see what I can do. Justin Herbert 102 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: in that first year was tremendous as a rookie because 103 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: Shane was his offensive coordinator. So then he goes to 104 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: Philly with Nick Sirianni. He's the offensive coordinator in Philly 105 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: and them an offense that's good. But now Jalen Hurts 106 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: is taken over and they're like, man, we need more 107 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: in this offense to get more out of Jalen Hurts. 108 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: So he adjust his offense and what he does to 109 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: fit what Jalen Hurts does well without losing the ability 110 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: to throw the ball down the field and be dynamic 111 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: in the passing game. And that to me is a 112 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: massive deal. Yes, they brought into quarterback run game, but 113 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: they didn't turn into quarterback run, quarterback run, quarter run. 114 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: It was quarterback run. Then you'd see NFL passing concepts 115 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: and then there might squeeze an NFL run in there, 116 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: and then there might be another run. Watching the Eagles 117 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: getting ready for the Eagles and watching their offense. I mean, 118 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about it at the time, but I'm 119 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: watching them go against Jacksonville, and I watched how Stiken 120 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: used formations and fifty three yards of the field to 121 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: his advantage, and he'd us personnel grouping. So he'd go 122 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: out there and he'd put twelve personnel in the game, 123 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: meaning two tight ends in a running back. Well, then 124 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: Jacksonville would respond. Jacksonville expected a run set, so they 125 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: would put their base defense out on the field, and 126 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: then Stiken would go to line of scrimmage and they 127 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: would have four guys split out. Wuld be a two 128 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: by two, but they'd be a wide. So Jacksonville is like, 129 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: whoa wait a second, So now linebackers got to go 130 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: out wide on one of these really athletic tight ends 131 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: and then they'd run the ball inside and so they 132 00:06:54,760 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: the way that he used formations and groupings and use 133 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: that against a defense, I thought it was masterful, like 134 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: and he's done that a few times. So Stiken and 135 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: me would be a really interesting candidate for that particular reason. 136 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: I love the way that he does that. It's always 137 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: the way that I thought about offensive football, like how 138 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: could I present something to you that you think is 139 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: coming now? Way back in a day, I used to 140 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: use a shotgun for runs because as soon as kids 141 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: back then saw a shotgun, right pass, pass pass, and 142 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: so I would see linebackers dropping out. So I'm like, 143 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: why don't get a shotgun and run, We'll just run 144 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: our same stuff. We'll just do it for shotgun. And 145 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: it was awesome and it worked a lot, And so 146 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: I see that with Stiken and I'm really excited about 147 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: what he could bring offensively now again with a guy 148 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: like he and Johnson, the key being Okay, you run 149 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: your offense, but who do you bring in as a 150 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator? Right? That ends up being keyed though, And 151 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: how do you lead the whole operation? I mean, being 152 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: a head coach. There's so much to it, let's be 153 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: honest here, we're talking about guys who had not been 154 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: a head coach before, and there's gonna be a lot 155 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: to learn there, because what are the head coaches always say, Yeah, 156 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: I love it when I get to actually coach. Yeah, 157 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: there's so much I have to do that CEO type 158 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: stuff to dealing with the media and everything else. So 159 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: we'll see how that goes with all of these candidates 160 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: when they eventually get jobs wherever they do get them. Okay, 161 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,679 Speaker 1: let's stay in Philadelphia here, because john I think Gannon 162 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: interviewed by the Texans last year, reported earlier in the 163 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: week that the Texans were interested in speaking with him again. 164 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: What about Gannon defensive coordinator? So now you got to 165 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: bring in an offensive coordinator who knows who that's gonna be, 166 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: and we'll see how that goes when and if he 167 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: gets a job. One thing to consider with both the Eagles, 168 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: both Eagles candidates, and I don't know how well they 169 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: know each other. Would imagine you coached together offense sometimes 170 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: offensive defense don't do anything together. Sometimes they do, sometimes 171 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: they don't. But Brian Johnson right now quarterbacks coach with Philadelphia. 172 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: He's from Baytown, he knows the city of Houston, and 173 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 1: he's a really good young coach. Played at Utah. I 174 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: think he would be a good fit in whatever capacities. 175 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: So whether Gannon got a job or Stiking got the job, 176 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: that would be one guy. Hey, I'm going to Houston. 177 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: You know Houston pretty well when you come with me. 178 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: An't by the way, you're a pretty good coach. I 179 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: think again. And I listened to an interview the day. 180 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: I can't remember which game it was after it was 181 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: a it was a midweek. Yeah, the defense coordinators will 182 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: speak midweek. So he was up there for a while, 183 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: but just listening to him and how he just felt 184 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: in total command. But the one vibe didn't get from 185 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: him was this is just what we do. I just 186 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: do it this way. He seemed to be, Yeah, you know, 187 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: we looked at it from this perspective, and then you 188 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: know we looked at it from Southern perspective, and you know, 189 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: this is the way that we go about it. And 190 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: it wasn't like our way is always right. It's just 191 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: you know, this is the way we do it, and 192 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: you know we'll tweak in do different things. I just 193 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: got more of a young dude, but still flexible in 194 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: learning as a coach, and he's willing to try things 195 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: to see whether it works or not. And I think 196 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: he really saw that with the Eagles, and he started 197 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: talking about a Son Raddick and Son Reddicks two hundred 198 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: and thirty five pounds. But Gannon's found a way to 199 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: take that guy and make him a major weapon, I 200 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: mean a major weapon and whether it's the groupings he's 201 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: out on the field with setting up one on one situations. 202 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: He's made Hassan Reddick, I mean, his son red fabious 203 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: football player. He's always been a big name and he's 204 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 1: a former first round draft choice, but he's now a 205 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: front line name, right And his name didn't come up 206 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: when you were talking about the best defensive players in 207 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: the league. No, but you could tell he impacts the 208 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: game because he's so dynamic and athletic. But Gannon has 209 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: really helped do that with some of the things that 210 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: they do up front. They had I think seventy two 211 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: sacks this year, So that isn't all players. I mean, 212 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: that isn't all on the guys just rolling out the ball. 213 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: Hey go. And they've got some good players, but they've 214 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: also got a few that are up in age a 215 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: little bit, right, And so it's a mixed scheme and 216 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: it's some players, but it was fun to watch. And 217 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: again the flip side, who's gonna be offensive coordinator? And 218 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: I think people here in this town, given the way 219 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: the offense has performed the last two years in particular, 220 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: they're gonna want to know that. Okay, Jonathan getting great, 221 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 1: but who you bringing in ZOC. Yeah, that's gonna be. 222 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: That's gonna be. I think a key question in the 223 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: interview who is and what is your plan for the offense? 224 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,599 Speaker 1: Somebody tweeted a picture of Brian Johnson, but it was 225 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: the ac DC lead singer, Bryan Johnson, and I thought, 226 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: all right, that is awesome. Make him the OC. Okay, 227 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: shake them all night long. Okay, Now let's get to 228 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: another candidate here that the Texans were reportedly interested in 229 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: interviewing based on earlier reports the week of the first 230 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: week of the search, Demico. Ryans were all familiar with 231 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: defensive rookie of the Year in two thousand and six 232 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: and obviously second round draft choice for your Texans, legendary 233 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: Texans player now the DC in San Francisco, number one 234 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: defense in the league. And I think a real leader 235 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: of man Johnny. I think a guy I took over 236 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: very well for Rob Sala after he got the job 237 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: in New York. And Demico is maybe the top candidate 238 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: in this entire search for all teams, but maybe not. 239 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, because Sean Payton's out there. We'll get 240 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: to him in a moment. But thoughts on Demico run 241 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: on the show. I mean, it's you know, it's one 242 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: of those things where you want to get too excited 243 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: about it, because that, I think is the guy that 244 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: a lot of fans in the city want in large 245 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: part because they know him. They know Demiko, and they 246 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: know what he brought to the team. They know what 247 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: kind of captain he was, they know those things, and 248 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: it's easy to get excited about that. Yeah, Hey, I'm 249 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: excited about the possibility, and maybe it doesn't work out, 250 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: but it's really easy to get excited about what he 251 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: could bring. Maybe what that does for past players, you know, 252 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: former Texans, Oh my gosh, all that stuff, all of 253 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: that that you would get with Damiko Ryan's coming back, 254 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: and then just the energy that he brings, knowing the 255 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: city of Houston, know what the city's about. The same 256 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: question would who's your offensive coordinator? Who would you bring in? 257 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: How would you run the offense? And obviously he's seen 258 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: one of the best offenses in football, so there would 259 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: be would imagine he would try and nab some people 260 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: from that forty nine ers offense and if he couldn't 261 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 1: do that, some people that have some connection dat Baby 262 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: Lafleur is available is available, by the way, I think 263 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: that's I get it. Why they did it. I guess 264 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: because they needed a sacrificial lam on offense their point 265 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: totals were so low. But I'll give him a little 266 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: bit of a pass because of the quarterback situation there 267 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: and the fact that the star running back got hurt 268 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: and all of the other stuff. Offense seemed to work 269 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: with Mike White and Joe Flacker are running it. Yeah, 270 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: and when they had the back okay, Breeze Hall, it 271 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: seemed to go pretty well. It was. It was so 272 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: smooth sailing. So I don't know if he would be 273 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: the guy or you know, he's somebody to watch in 274 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: this league anyway, Yeah, no doubt. I mean I think, 275 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: you know, you think about all the you know, you know, 276 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: Philadelphia fired Andy Reid at one point. You know, the 277 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 1: Browns fired Bill Belichick at one point. So let's do 278 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: the greatest. Yeah, Pete Carroll is fired twice. How many 279 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: Hall of famers, yeah, have been fired? Okay, how many 280 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: guys who have those those three you would think are 281 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: going to Hall of Fame? Right, how many guys who 282 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: have yes, how many guys who have been to multiple 283 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: Super Bowls? Like Dan Reeves. You know people like that. 284 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: All right, we're moving quickly here, but Demiko's look awesome. Candidate, 285 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: would love to see it. Let's see what happened to 286 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: say he's an awesome candidate for the next two minutes. 287 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: He's an awesome candidate, and y'all know why, Yeah, exactly. 288 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: Let's move on to Sean Payton. Both came out that 289 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: the Texans were interested in speaking with him. Now, Peyton, 290 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: it comes with you got to compensate the Saints and 291 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: Peyton does he have strong opinions about things? Johnny I 292 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: remember we were at the Saints for one of those 293 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: offseason practice weeks and we said, this is what I 294 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: was doing the morning show with Lopez, and we set 295 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: up in an area that we thought was a little 296 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: dicey as far as like the Saints might not like this, 297 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: but you know, they didn't say anything. But Lopez made 298 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: this before we got out here. Lopez made the joke 299 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: Peyton's gonna come out here and say look at it 300 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: and go nope and then move on. And that's exactly 301 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: what happened. We had to move it nice about it. No, 302 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: he didn't even say anything. He just walked by minutes later, 303 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: somebody came up to us and said, you guys have 304 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: to move because you know, I think he just looked 305 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: at somebody and that was it. Look, he's a great leader. 306 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: I know you have a Hall of Fame quarterback and 307 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: Drew Brees. It's awesome when you're able to work with 308 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: him for so long. I do think he's a good 309 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: coach without Drew Brees. Those are my thoughts. Look, it 310 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: would be outstanding. I'm just saying on paper, it's outstanding. 311 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: We'll see where it would all go. You know, people 312 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: have compared to the Gruden he's been on than John Gruden. 313 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: Give me a break. Okay, Gruden was a great young 314 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: coach the second time around. I guess we didn't get 315 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: to see the final results. But I think Peyton's gonna 316 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: make somebody happy as a coach. The question is compensation. Well, 317 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: financially it's gonna be a ton we all know that. 318 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: But draft compensation that I know you're getting a great coach, 319 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: but man, oh man, you worked so hard to get 320 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: those picks, whatever it's gonna take to get them right. 321 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: Your thoughts that you hit on the two things, if 322 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: if there's one, I don't worry about as much. I mean, 323 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: because all we do on the radio is just spend 324 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: the McNair family money. So sure know the compensation for 325 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: him monetarily is going to be I mean sizeable. Yes, 326 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: the most of any candidate, I think this way, Jamiko 327 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: can can command a lot of money. Probably, But you know, 328 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: Sean Payton, it's rumored, it's rumored that the arguably the 329 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: best coach in the league makes twenty million. Yeah, so 330 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: that's gonna be about where your starting point is now. Again, 331 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: I can give him some free airtime though on the 332 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: show he can. He can promote me. There's probably some 333 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: some Texans radio groupon things and I l for the 334 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: head coach. Yeah, yeah, we'll give him some groupon coupons. Um, coach, 335 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: you got a free Wednesday radio show with us anytime? Yeah? Free? 336 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: Um the thing, here's another one about Peyton. He's going 337 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: to place with the New York Giants and eventually had 338 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: a rip from him. So it's another guy that even 339 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: the great ones had been fired talking about um as 340 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: you mentioned Carmichael, who was with him forever and not 341 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: so much now with the Saints, right. Yeah, so it's 342 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: interesting that you bring that part of it up and 343 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: Drew Breese tends to smooth things over. And this narrative 344 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: that Breeze wasn't any good until he got to New Orleans. Yeah, 345 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: I've heard that from a few national people. Now do 346 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,959 Speaker 1: your research, not let's not do that. Go look him 347 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: up with the Chargers in all four. But I think 348 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: with Peyton it's maybe easier and in some sense to 349 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: find some holes because he coached for so long, so 350 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: you have this huge body of work to kind of 351 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: attack if you want to. I don't really choose to 352 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: do that. I think. I think Sean was so very 353 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: consistent with the way that he approached things with New 354 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: Orleans and obviously got the championship. Then there was the 355 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: whole you know whatever gate that was and cost him 356 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: a season. I'd be interested to talk to him about 357 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: that particular year, because that's where you and I have 358 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: something in common with him. We both coach junior high 359 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: aged kids. What did that mean for him as a coach, 360 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: And what does this year off sort of do for 361 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: him as a coach. What kind of change in perspective 362 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: has that given. If he does indeed come back to 363 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: the NFL in twenty twenty three, whether it's with the Saints, 364 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: whether it's with us or whomever. What has that change 365 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: in perspective done for him? What has he been able 366 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 1: to do in that year that is going to make 367 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: him a better head coach than maybe he was in 368 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: New Orleans. So I'm I'd be curious to ask him 369 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: that and what that's done. I want to know if 370 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: he wants to go back to the Greenbrier, That's all 371 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: I want to Oh, I mean, please, I know they 372 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 1: didn't have witting seasons. Those are dark seasons for the Saints, 373 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 1: but Coach, it wasn't the Greenbriers fall to go back there? Please, 374 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: Coach you Ady Cook's country kitchen. You know we gotta 375 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: go back. Talk about spending the McNair family money on 376 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: the radio here Cal's listening call and Hans sorry because 377 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: the Greenbrier that's not exactly inexpensive. All right, One more 378 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: quick thoughts on Kafka. Mike Kafka and what I like 379 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: about him. He was with Kansas City, but then he 380 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: goes to the Giants and he has a really pronounced 381 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: profound if you will, at least relative to New York 382 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: and the context of Daniel Jones resurrecting his career. Good 383 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: season with the Giants. It's not like the offense blew up, 384 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: but it worked Johnny and I think that's good because 385 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: they were no place before Dable and Kafka got there 386 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: to help run the show. And look what they're doing now. 387 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: I when we went up to face the Giants, I 388 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: just thought watching their offense on tape, I thought, how's 389 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: he doing this? Man? They got Barkley and that's it. 390 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: But Daniel Jones would find a way. Daniel Jones improved, 391 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: improved under Mike Kafka. He improved under Kafka, and I 392 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: think that's a big feather in his cap. The offense 393 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: wasn't sexy, but Evan Neil, their first round pick, was 394 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: banged up. The rest of the offense line receivers were 395 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 1: completely average. And yet they're going to the playoffs. Yeah, 396 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: they're going to the playoffs. And a lot of that 397 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: has to do with Mike Kafka. I mean that he's 398 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: run Northwestern. He was not a star in college. In fact, 399 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: he was a guy that started a lot of games 400 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: and then he would get yanked out of a few. 401 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: Then you go back in and and so he kind 402 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: of had up exactly because he's faced some adversity, yet 403 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: he went to Kansas City, learned that whole system. He 404 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: apprenticed under Andy Reid, and he's not just a Kansas 405 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: City guy. And he went to New York to show 406 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: that he could do it that way too, and I 407 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: thought that was massive. That was huge, all right. Those 408 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: are just some of the names that have been linked 409 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: to the Texans coaching search, and there are other ones 410 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: of like Denver defensive coordinator, Agero Avero and Thomas Brown 411 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: Rams tight ends coach, and who knows who else pops 412 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: up while we are in the period after we recorded this, 413 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: but we will get to them all, Johnny and I 414 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: with another installment coming up soon enough. But there's some 415 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: initial information on the search on this Texans All Access podcast, 416 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: and check out all the other Texans podcasts wherever you 417 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: got this one or wherever fine podcasts are available. Have 418 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: a great day and go Texans.