Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama Girl, all about them
Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in
Speaker 1: our comic Girl Cheering for the drama Queen's Girl Fashion.
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Speaker 1: Queen's Wow. Hey, everybody, what a weird episode. Everyone just exhales.
Speaker 1: That was That wasn't even like a real episode. That
Speaker 1: was just a bunch of flashbacks kind of super glued
Speaker 1: together with some weird expository filler in there. It was
Speaker 1: very strange. It feels like somebody looked at the board
Speaker 1: for what's happened so far in the season and what
Speaker 1: needs to happen, and went, oh shit, it's too many bridges,
Speaker 1: And they were like, I know, we can make a
Speaker 1: bunch of things. Makes sense if we just tell people
Speaker 1: all these things happened, and also will freeze frame constantly
Speaker 1: frame what do do do do? Do do that song?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? All right. This was the season three
Speaker 1: episode ten Brave New World. It originally aired January eleventh,
Speaker 1: two thousand six, which makes sense because this would have
Speaker 1: been like the episode that comes back after mid season,
Speaker 1: So our mid season break would have happened last episode
Speaker 1: with Nathan and Haley getting back together and with brook
Speaker 1: and Lucas getting back together, big Cliffhangers, Peyton just crying
Speaker 1: all by herself, and then we come back with this madness.
Speaker 1: The day after Brooks says those three magic words to Lucas,
Speaker 1: he gets in a car with Peyton to take a
Speaker 1: road trip to visit Ellie and then uh, Peyton makes
Speaker 1: Ellian offer that could bring them closer together. Meanwhile, Lucas
Speaker 1: reconnects with an old friend, which was lovely but super random,
Speaker 1: and then back in Tree Hill, Brooks clothing line close
Speaker 1: over bros becomes an overnight hit and she asks literally
Speaker 1: everybody to help out. Plus Nathan finds out the truth
Speaker 1: about his mother and her role in the fire that
Speaker 1: almost killed Dan. That was dramatic and something that was
Speaker 1: so badly written that we just didn't know what to
Speaker 1: do with ourselves. Honestly, James and Barbara did. I think
Speaker 1: they did a great job with that, With what they
Speaker 1: could do with that material, They leaned in. They committed
Speaker 1: so hard and that is not easy when you get
Speaker 1: a scene that could either be filler on Days of
Speaker 1: Our Lives or c S I whose show? Whose show
Speaker 1: is this that I just hackled you an episode? C
Speaker 1: s I Perfect. I had to crush the pills. Then
Speaker 1: I had to write the letter. The last thing that
Speaker 1: was left to do was seal the bottle. I had
Speaker 1: to light the fire. I mean, it's who was saying
Speaker 1: I usually like this writer. You know, not everybody can
Speaker 1: every time. I mean it's not it's not the end
Speaker 1: of the world, but you know, well, and just just
Speaker 1: because this writer's name is on the script doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that's the person that actually wrote it. Like it's sometimes
Speaker 1: it's like the last person to put a polish on it.
Speaker 1: Um So in season three. A lot of times what
Speaker 1: happens on shows, regardless of how sexual successful, sex sexful
Speaker 1: show is, is that your original writers start peeling off
Speaker 1: and they get pilots of their own, or they get
Speaker 1: jobs on other shows, and you start bumping nevies up.
Speaker 1: And so sometimes scripts like this, we're like, was this
Speaker 1: a new kid? Was this someone getting their first go?
Speaker 1: So we want to be gentle while also poking a
Speaker 1: lot of at it because it was dreadful. Yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: before we get too far into this, something happened to
Speaker 1: me this week. Okay, okay, okay, talk about this, you guys.
Speaker 1: We just need you to know the willpower of our
Speaker 1: friend Joy. Because we got on as we always do,
Speaker 1: to watch the episode, and we start, you know, cackling
Speaker 1: about dumb things we've done this week, and Joy goes, oh,
Speaker 1: I have a story to tell the two of you,
Speaker 1: and we go okay, and she goes, I'll save it
Speaker 1: for the episode. She made us wait. She made us
Speaker 1: wait a whole an hour. What happened? I'm standing in
Speaker 1: line for lunch to order lunch, and I have the
Speaker 1: menu in my hand, and I hear, what are you
Speaker 1: gonna get? Look up and there is like a six
Speaker 1: ft five or more lumberjack looking slightly disheveled, crystal blue
Speaker 1: eyed sweet man staring down at me like I'm like, uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I'm gonna get there whatever
Speaker 1: wrap and uh, you know how, Yeah, this place is
Speaker 1: pretty good. Blah blah blah. He strikes up a conversation
Speaker 1: and he's can I look at the menu? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it takes the menu and we start, how's your dad going, oh,
Speaker 1: I say, my my day's going great. Actually, how about you?
Speaker 1: Oh it's great, you know, like blah blah blah. He
Speaker 1: starts launching into this whole story about how he's just
Speaker 1: bought this new property. I was like, oh, great, where
Speaker 1: are you from? So it turns out we've actually lived
Speaker 1: in several of the same places, and I've moved around
Speaker 1: a lot, so it's it's kind of cool that we've
Speaker 1: lived in several same places. And we're talking and um
Speaker 1: as as he keeps talking about this property that he
Speaker 1: just bought and you know, a couple of companies that
Speaker 1: he owns, and he's super charming and really sweet, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, yeah, I'm gonna ask this guy to join
Speaker 1: me for lunch. And he gets up to the register,
Speaker 1: he pays for his food, and he turns around and
Speaker 1: before I can say it, he goes, hey, you want
Speaker 1: to eat? And I'm like, yeah, all right, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: I'm like great, it's great. So total meet cute. So
Speaker 1: I go sit down, I get my food, I get
Speaker 1: I get my little placard, and I go. We go
Speaker 1: sit down and and so we start talking and it's
Speaker 1: easy conversation, like this guy is. He's interested and smart
Speaker 1: and tals. We're talking about architects, we're talking about philosophers,
Speaker 1: were talking about traveling, and it's just like this is
Speaker 1: so nice. And he's an ex athlete and I have
Speaker 1: to remind myself to breathe. We are bated breath right now.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting, Like I'm just I'm at this table
Speaker 1: and I'm there and I'm interested and um and we
Speaker 1: just have this great chat and he's like mid forties
Speaker 1: and I'm just going, God, is this real? Like wow,
Speaker 1: how amazing? And as he's talking towards the end of
Speaker 1: the meal and we were sitting there for like an hour,
Speaker 1: towards the end of the meal, he said saying something
Speaker 1: about it's business venture and the property. And he says
Speaker 1: the word we a couple of times, and I've already
Speaker 1: talked about But the first sentence I say out of
Speaker 1: my mouth is like, yeah, my daughter and I just
Speaker 1: moved here blah blah blah or whatever. And so I'm thinking, Oh,
Speaker 1: does he have a kid? Oh that's weird. He didn't.
Speaker 1: He would have said that if I And then I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's talking about his pets a lot. Like sometimes I
Speaker 1: talk about my pets, like we or maybe it's a
Speaker 1: business partner, or like maybe his mother lives with him,
Speaker 1: and there's a part of me that's like maybe he's
Speaker 1: got a girlfriend and it's going south. Yeah, And like
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know how I feel about that,
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm going to give him a little space.
Speaker 1: So I didn't want to ask, because the thing is,
Speaker 1: if I ask who's it puts me in the position
Speaker 1: of a I give him my cards of him knowing
Speaker 1: that I'm interested. So and I just don't I like
Speaker 1: to they need to work a little harder than that
Speaker 1: for me. So I just was like, I didn't say anything,
Speaker 1: you know. But he gives me the Instagram handle for
Speaker 1: the website of this property like farm. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: he lives on a farm. He bought a farm. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I mean I'm dying. And um, so he
Speaker 1: gives me He's like turn it into a retreat property
Speaker 1: and Airbnb and all this stuff, and here's the Instagram handle,
Speaker 1: go look at it. I'm like, okay, great. He gives
Speaker 1: me his number, I give him my number. We leave.
Speaker 1: He texts me afterwards, you know this is me. Nice
Speaker 1: to meet you, and I'm like, yeah, great to know you.
Speaker 1: So then I go look at the Instagram handle later on,
Speaker 1: I'm like scrolling and I see it's like all these
Speaker 1: beautiful pictures of nature and great stuff, and I see
Speaker 1: one photo of him with this girl and they look
Speaker 1: kind of cozy, but it's from like a little bit ago.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, maybe it's you know, maybe that's
Speaker 1: the next girlfriend or something. So I click on the
Speaker 1: picture and I do the click at the clicks, you know,
Speaker 1: to see who this man is marriage. This man is engaged,
Speaker 1: not for long, not when she hears this, yeah and engaged.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, but like from like, they're still there.
Speaker 1: It's all happening, Like there's new posts about the place
Speaker 1: and it's like all the new you know, we bought
Speaker 1: this place and we're so excited and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Joy You know, every engaged chick is going through her
Speaker 1: fiance better. If this motherfucker has Joyless number in his phone,
Speaker 1: he is dead. So I called my friend Eric Palladina. Hillary,
Speaker 1: you know Eric, of course, Jeff No, Eric Palladina. Guys,
Speaker 1: Eric Palladina. The reason I called Eric. He's on a
Speaker 1: marvelous Mrs Maisel for any of you, you guys who
Speaker 1: are watched that show. Um, Eric is from Yonkers and
Speaker 1: he's the most direct, just deeply deeply masculine, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know how else to say it. He's just such
Speaker 1: a guy's guy, as a whole guy's guy. Man. So
Speaker 1: I was like, if anybody's gonna understand the male psyche,
Speaker 1: this is the guy I'm going to call. So that's
Speaker 1: why I texted him and I was like, here's what's up,
Speaker 1: and you know, I told him what happened and and
Speaker 1: he was like, joy, No, man is gonna stay and
Speaker 1: in line and start talking to you and have a
Speaker 1: strike up a conversation and then ask you to lunch
Speaker 1: just to be friends, just to be friends. That's not
Speaker 1: a thing. And especially if he's engaged with the first
Speaker 1: words out of his mouth should have been my fiance
Speaker 1: and I blah blah blah, because then you know. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's it, and that's it because then
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know then and then they could have been
Speaker 1: your new city friends. That was not this man's intention.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see who you stand by way
Speaker 1: with something man, And he was like, I'm sorry, if
Speaker 1: you're battling yourself, I get it, Like whatever, you're having
Speaker 1: to make me a casualty of your battle. Honestly, it hurt.
Speaker 1: I was like I spent the whole day kind of
Speaker 1: being like excited and like, oh, I'm at this guy
Speaker 1: and he liked me and he thought it was cute
Speaker 1: and like, as you are cute. So you are very
Speaker 1: cute and then like you're engaged. What You're so cute
Speaker 1: that someone is ready to fire bomb their life to
Speaker 1: have lunch with you about that? But okay, so here's
Speaker 1: the next part. So Eric tells me he's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: just them, and I'm like, okay, fine, I'm never gonna
Speaker 1: hear from this guy again. He was having a weird
Speaker 1: moment and whatever. He texts me stop it. Two days later,
Speaker 1: he did not sends me a text a voice note, Hey,
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about you and like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're working out tile and uh and I'm just anyway,
Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great day. So I right back,
Speaker 1: I am having a great day. Hey are you engaged?
Speaker 1: And he writes back yes with a bunch of exclamation points,
Speaker 1: and then he says, are we too attracted to each
Speaker 1: other to be friends. What is this is to say, like,
Speaker 1: you guys and our listening audience, like, you guys know
Speaker 1: I don't air dirty laundry, like I never talked about this,
Speaker 1: but this is Eastern our mail. Yeah, he's like, wow,
Speaker 1: I can't, like it's unreal. You guys aren't chat right now,
Speaker 1: screaming and no. And it really blew me away because
Speaker 1: I just totally miss judged him, right. I told you
Speaker 1: my picker is bad, like I thought this guy was sweet. No,
Speaker 1: you didn't try to pick he came and picked on that.
Speaker 1: This is not your fault. Yeah, so I said, you
Speaker 1: know what, I didn't want to get into it. I
Speaker 1: just said, yes, yes, we are too attracted to each other.
Speaker 1: And I said, but good luck and stop asking pretty
Speaker 1: girls to lunch. You know, I put a little smiley
Speaker 1: face like I'm going to be nice about this, but
Speaker 1: you're you know that was a dick move. And he
Speaker 1: writes back the response is no, no, no, whatever. If
Speaker 1: I had a nickel for every time I was hit on,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have to work. And then he says something
Speaker 1: about what I know something about I figured it's the
Speaker 1: same for you, so you'd appreciate the sentiment. We just
Speaker 1: you know, it just gets overlooked and then we become
Speaker 1: friends anyway. Um, but I wasn't expecting a lunch like
Speaker 1: what we had, Like, I wasn't expecting us to connect
Speaker 1: that much, and so nib but like, okay, here, here's
Speaker 1: here's what my real problem here is that he's he's convincing.
Speaker 1: First of all, the response of like whatever, oh blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. I get hit all the time. How about
Speaker 1: take The answer is you're right. I totally was trying
Speaker 1: to get away with something. I don't know what's going
Speaker 1: on with me. I'm sorry. That was unfair to you
Speaker 1: and totally unfair to my fiance. And I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with me. I'm sorry. That's
Speaker 1: the answer. That's the only that's the only answer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I need you to send me this Instagram profile right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you are going to send us this farm Instagram joylight
Speaker 1: me into thinking. Now I'm the one like, sorry, if
Speaker 1: you're not enlightened enough to just be friends with a
Speaker 1: handsome guy, off, are you kidding? That's the gust? Stupid?
Speaker 1: Does he not have friends? You're the one that's new
Speaker 1: in town right well, and by the way, and by
Speaker 1: the way, it's so deeply insulting and like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put my petty head on for a minute. I'm like,
Speaker 1: have you seen have you seen the guy friends in
Speaker 1: our friend group? Like, sir, we have plenty of deeply
Speaker 1: attractive male friends. Are some of our closest people Like that?
Speaker 1: Ain't it that? That? Ain't it's where men of honor.
Speaker 1: There's no honor in trying to get way with something
Speaker 1: like that and then convincing yourself that you're not trying
Speaker 1: to get away with something. Yeah, if you're just trying
Speaker 1: to get away with something. The first words out of
Speaker 1: his mouth would have been if he found himself talking
Speaker 1: to a pretty girl and got caught up in it,
Speaker 1: you correct your course, my f and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: You should meet my girlfriend. I think you guys would
Speaker 1: like each other so much. You're new here, sit for
Speaker 1: an hour at line and tough blirting and get me
Speaker 1: thinking for two days and then text me without acknowledging, Hey,
Speaker 1: I was talking to my girlfriend about your tile situation
Speaker 1: and she had somebody like whatever, I just don't don't
Speaker 1: try to get away with it, and then act like
Speaker 1: you weren't. And girls, if a man does this to you,
Speaker 1: it's bullshit. It's gas lighting. It's not okay. It is
Speaker 1: why older women, this is Daniel don't trust men, So
Speaker 1: Dan Scott of him. No. But this is why we
Speaker 1: get more and more blunt as we get older, because
Speaker 1: the next dude that comes up to in line, you're
Speaker 1: just gonna say, are you engaged? Like you're just gonna
Speaker 1: say it, and they'renna be like this chick's bananas, but
Speaker 1: and you're like, I just want a time. They wasting
Speaker 1: my time or tell me, just tell me that you're engaged.
Speaker 1: I want to have had lunch with you. Anyway, of
Speaker 1: course you're in a different lunch. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: see a picture of this dude. He's doomed. He's doomed.
Speaker 1: That's what happened. I friends, watch out. Okay, we can
Speaker 1: segue out of that. I just had to tell you.
Speaker 1: But we guys, everybody out there, listen, we actually have
Speaker 1: something really much more exciting than my weird love life story.
Speaker 1: I don't know on this episode. Um, we have an
Speaker 1: awesome guest, Hillary. I think you should be the god
Speaker 1: you guys, I'm gonna cry at some point during the
Speaker 1: course of this UM. I feel really, really lucky that
Speaker 1: for the majority of season three, the love story that
Speaker 1: I got to have is between Peyton and her birth mother, Ellie,
Speaker 1: and the actress that played Ellie is the one and
Speaker 1: only Cheryl Lee. She was with us today. I'm totally
Speaker 1: freaking obsessed with her and I don't get to see
Speaker 1: her talk to her nearly enough. So Bran are in here?
Speaker 1: Give her to Cheryl? How are you not age Ryl?
Speaker 1: You like look exactly? Gosh, you Lookie. I'm so happy
Speaker 1: to tiss you. Miss you. You guys. So the last
Speaker 1: time we saw each other was the first time we've
Speaker 1: seen each other since we weren't on the show together anymore.
Speaker 1: It had been like twelve years. It in a very
Speaker 1: long time, and it was at the convention, right before
Speaker 1: the pandemic hit. And I just remember you walking into
Speaker 1: the green room and I just started like sobbing control
Speaker 1: I turned into Peyton in real life. I'm so happy
Speaker 1: to see you, just it's good for my heart. Where
Speaker 1: are you right now? I am in to Panga Canyon
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles? Amazing, Cheryl, do you know Daphne? Are
Speaker 1: you and Daphne'suniga friends. I know she's out there in
Speaker 1: to Panga. I don't think I've ever met her. You
Speaker 1: guys would have had such good energy together here on
Speaker 1: the show too. She was on she was Brooks mom. Um,
Speaker 1: it's so cool to see you two side by side
Speaker 1: here after having just watched that episode too. I'm we
Speaker 1: were We've always been gushing every time you're on screen.
Speaker 1: We gush about what an incredible actress you are and
Speaker 1: how much we all looked up to you before you
Speaker 1: came on the show, and how excited we were when
Speaker 1: we heard that we got you. It was like catching
Speaker 1: up big fish. We were so excited. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I'm so grateful to be a
Speaker 1: part of it. Well, you were. You were an original
Speaker 1: drama queen. You know, we like tongue in Cheek named
Speaker 1: ourselves drama queens for this podcast because we were, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we were kissing and crying for the better
Speaker 1: part of a decade and like it paid all our mortgages. Um,
Speaker 1: but you as Laura Palmer on Twin Peaks, I mean
Speaker 1: you were an original drama queen, this iconic teenage character
Speaker 1: that the country was obsessed with you know who killed
Speaker 1: Laura Palmer was like that was the catchphrase. And so
Speaker 1: if you could tell our audience kind of about your
Speaker 1: trajectory getting involved in that, because I was like your
Speaker 1: first big job, right. Yes, I was living in Seattle
Speaker 1: studying theater. I hadn't really even thought about television or
Speaker 1: film and I but I had an agent in Seattle
Speaker 1: and you know, just for commercial stuff or whatever. And
Speaker 1: I got a call from her that this director m.
Speaker 1: David Lynch for this mysterious television pilot and was interested
Speaker 1: in casting local for um. And it was the role
Speaker 1: of a dead girl, and that's all anyone knew. And
Speaker 1: so I went in. I had seen Blue Velvets, I
Speaker 1: went in, which was shot in Wilmington's Yeah, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: that's right, I forgot. Yeah, I so much. Is a
Speaker 1: lot still shooting in Wilmington now there's a ton But
Speaker 1: where our river Court was is where they found the
Speaker 1: ear in the field in Blue Velvet. You know how
Speaker 1: like the movie begins and there's like an ear in
Speaker 1: the field. It's over there where the bay. That's the
Speaker 1: crossover we needed is the Blue Velvet tree hill over
Speaker 1: a lot in the nineties for Yeah. So then, UM,
Speaker 1: I just I didn't know what to expect to meeting him.
Speaker 1: And I went in and I met him, met David,
Speaker 1: and he was so kind and so warm, and I
Speaker 1: was so nervous that I my hands were shaking so
Speaker 1: bad I had to sit on. Do you talk with
Speaker 1: your hands like we do? We all, like the three
Speaker 1: of us, can't stop talking with our hands. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was shaking like a leap that he was kind and warm,
Speaker 1: and Um asked me how I feel about being dipped
Speaker 1: in gray dye and plastic and freezing cold water, and
Speaker 1: I said, just absolutely fine. And then that's how it started.
Speaker 1: I was tired for I think it was four days
Speaker 1: of work as a corpse, you know, the finding the
Speaker 1: body and then the flash vaccines and then and then
Speaker 1: I stayed in Seattle and kept doing theater. And then
Speaker 1: much later Um he called and asked if I would
Speaker 1: be interested in coming back on the show. And I said, well, sure,
Speaker 1: but has a sister I'm dead. He's like, don't worry
Speaker 1: about that, I'll figure it out. Wow. That was my
Speaker 1: first grown up show. I remember watching. I remember like
Speaker 1: my dad was watching it, and I don't know how
Speaker 1: it was probably like, actually have no idea how old
Speaker 1: I was, but I remember it being like, I don't
Speaker 1: I think this show is too grown up for me,
Speaker 1: but I can't stop watching it is so interesting. It
Speaker 1: had a real real impact on probably my whole Macaw
Speaker 1: outlook on many things. It was definitely the show that
Speaker 1: like goth girls were into, and being a goth girl
Speaker 1: in high school was like, man, if you're not watching
Speaker 1: Twin Peaks, if you're not like freaking out over Twin Peaks,
Speaker 1: what are you even doing with your life? What are
Speaker 1: you listening to? Boy bands? You? What are you listening
Speaker 1: on my block? Get out of here? And so you
Speaker 1: ended up doing how many seasons of the show did
Speaker 1: you guys do of Twin Peaks? Um? Two? So there
Speaker 1: were only two seasons. I think they just did not
Speaker 1: know what to do with us. Well, then that ended,
Speaker 1: and then years later the movie came, and then that ended,
Speaker 1: and then twenties something years later the season three came.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about the movie though, because Moira, who was
Speaker 1: Karen on our show, was in the movie with you, right, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And I actually had worked with Moira before that, even
Speaker 1: really really every week together when we were I mean,
Speaker 1: I was right out of Twin Peaks. It was like
Speaker 1: the one of my first jobs off of the second
Speaker 1: season of Twin Peaks, I worked with Moira, So when
Speaker 1: I heard Moira was coming onto the film, I was
Speaker 1: so excited because we already had this history and I
Speaker 1: loved her. I just a big fan of her. So
Speaker 1: she's a good time. And then you also worked with
Speaker 1: Craig who on her cast. Didn't you work Did you
Speaker 1: work with Paul too, Hansen too? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's, um, sometimes I forget what
Speaker 1: I've worked on. Yeah, we get that. When I was
Speaker 1: rewatching the show, Um, this show last night and I
Speaker 1: was seeing you all and it's like my heart just
Speaker 1: first open because um, you're so young, and I know
Speaker 1: what it feels like to be to have to go
Speaker 1: through you know, you're on a show and this is happening,
Speaker 1: and you're at this really important time in your own
Speaker 1: life figuring things out, and then you're on the show
Speaker 1: and that becomes a success and like, there's no handbook
Speaker 1: that comes with this. We're just kind of going with it.
Speaker 1: And it's just I wish we had had the wherewithal
Speaker 1: to ask you for advice, Yes, you were that age
Speaker 1: When I was your age, that was one thing I
Speaker 1: would find um older actors and I would follow them
Speaker 1: around like a puppy because I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know anything that I need to learn as much as
Speaker 1: I can. How do you how do you have a
Speaker 1: life while you do this? You know what happens when
Speaker 1: you work with directors that terrify you. You know, all
Speaker 1: of the questions. I was probably really annoying because I
Speaker 1: just would um and I still in that way where
Speaker 1: I was seeking out elders to for guidance. How do
Speaker 1: you walk this path? That's agree quality? Because I think
Speaker 1: we all felt like we have to act like we
Speaker 1: have it all together, because you know, if we don't
Speaker 1: act like we have it all together, then no one
Speaker 1: will trust us. And then if nobody trusts us, we
Speaker 1: won't be able to get to do our job right,
Speaker 1: and then we won't be able to stand up for ourselves.
Speaker 1: And we have to be taken seriously. And in order
Speaker 1: to be taken seriously, we just have to act like
Speaker 1: we know everything, which is so dumb. And the grown
Speaker 1: ups that were around us regularly, we're scary. A lot
Speaker 1: of them, you know, not not our coworker, lovely friends,
Speaker 1: but like we had some we had some people around
Speaker 1: were very quickly we were like, oh no, we don't,
Speaker 1: we don't want to be we can't. We gotta We're
Speaker 1: gonna hide out. We're gonna hide And so interestingly, I
Speaker 1: think it made us less I don't know if the
Speaker 1: word is aware, or perhaps it made us feel like
Speaker 1: we had less um wherewith all our permission too. Then
Speaker 1: when someone like you was around two to go and
Speaker 1: you know, trust you or seek your advice like and
Speaker 1: I think that was probably pretty subconscious. But now even
Speaker 1: just be scared as you don't want to do something
Speaker 1: dumb or be like how was your what was it like?
Speaker 1: We're going to twin like just a bunch of dirty
Speaker 1: little puppies. And now I'm like, damn it, we should
Speaker 1: have just followed you around him. Been annoying. I am
Speaker 1: in awe of you all now because the way that
Speaker 1: you um are so multifaceted, creatively and speaking your truth
Speaker 1: and connecting and and following what you believe to be true.
Speaker 1: I did not have the guts to do that at all,
Speaker 1: and so I bowed you with great respect and gratitude.
Speaker 1: I'm like, thank god, these this generation is um has
Speaker 1: the courage to stand up in a way that um,
Speaker 1: I know I didn't in mind, Well, I didn't realize
Speaker 1: similar our situations were, Cheryl, because we were filming in
Speaker 1: Wilmington's where we were all like taken away from our
Speaker 1: friends and our family and kind of the circles that
Speaker 1: we built and kind of put in this little small bubble.
Speaker 1: And you guys being in Seattle filming this show that
Speaker 1: was like a sensation and a huge hit. Did you
Speaker 1: feel protected by that bubble or did you feel like
Speaker 1: more stuff could more, more things could get away, you know,
Speaker 1: people get away with things. Well we so, Um, the
Speaker 1: pilot was shot up there in Washington. But then um,
Speaker 1: at some point a lot of the series was shot
Speaker 1: in l A. It was remember the exact timeline. Yeah, yeah, So, Um,
Speaker 1: I had no idea what I was in for because
Speaker 1: I had no television experience, no film experience, no experience
Speaker 1: being in front of the public eye. Um. And so
Speaker 1: then like I remember about watching the pilot in the
Speaker 1: series in l A. That's when I was living in
Speaker 1: l A when it started to come out. So we
Speaker 1: were shooting down here. We had studios in the valley. Um.
Speaker 1: So yeah, in that sense, the only bubble that I
Speaker 1: had was just that I didn't know anything, like totally
Speaker 1: totally experienced and had no idea. Unfortunately, you know, social
Speaker 1: media didn't exist that I do. Now. You you saved
Speaker 1: my ass because when we were doing I want to say,
Speaker 1: it's maybe even the next episode, it's when Ellie is
Speaker 1: like moved in with Peyton. I was up for a
Speaker 1: job where there was mandatory nudity, and you had your
Speaker 1: son at the time, and I was just so enamored
Speaker 1: with that that you were this like working mom and
Speaker 1: you would like tell me about your son's dreams and
Speaker 1: the phone calls you would have with him, and I
Speaker 1: loved hearing about this. And I feel like you told me,
Speaker 1: like your son really like snakes, you know, like there's
Speaker 1: there's certain things that just pop. And we talked about
Speaker 1: your kids so much, um that when I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm up for this job, they really want me to
Speaker 1: be naked in it, and you were just like, don't
Speaker 1: do it. You're like, you're gonna have to talk to
Speaker 1: him about it one day, your son. And at the time,
Speaker 1: I was years away from having kids, you know, and
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh god, I never thought about that,
Speaker 1: Like I never thought about the people in my future
Speaker 1: i'd have to have these conversations with. And it really
Speaker 1: changed the way I made decisions and the way I
Speaker 1: prioritized jobs. And it made me reconsider like which jobs
Speaker 1: were artsy and which job you know, because they were.
Speaker 1: There was kind of the stick with women where they
Speaker 1: be like, well, if you're a real artist, you'll you'll
Speaker 1: do all the things we want you to do. And
Speaker 1: you called bullsh on it for me at a very
Speaker 1: young age and made me feel empowered to be like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, sounds like a low budget movie to me.
Speaker 1: You guys go this was Titanic. Pay me like a
Speaker 1: French girl. But also, okay, yeah, I learned that one
Speaker 1: the hard way. I didn't have anyone tell me, um
Speaker 1: to think about that or two. And also I, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of the jobs I did, I didn't feel
Speaker 1: like there was a choice. It was like work as
Speaker 1: an actor, where as an actress, this is this is
Speaker 1: what you do, and um, within that, there are parameters
Speaker 1: of you know, what the audience sees is what you
Speaker 1: did say yes to, not what you said no to.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so um, I would do a lot things
Speaker 1: different if I could go back into well even but
Speaker 1: even in like during that era, it was still really
Speaker 1: normal to not have a choice, you know, like if
Speaker 1: you wanted to do a show on HBO or cable,
Speaker 1: we all were presented with that. It was like that
Speaker 1: was part of the contract. If you want to be
Speaker 1: on a big girl show, you gotta you know, bear all.
Speaker 1: And you were so protective of us even in the
Speaker 1: midst of all of that, when it was still really
Speaker 1: really prevalent um. I feel like it only not like
Speaker 1: just only recently in the last year or two, is
Speaker 1: where you can be like no, and then they just
Speaker 1: hire a body double so it looks like you were
Speaker 1: naked anyway. And I feel like a lot of that
Speaker 1: changed with Sex in the City because all those girls,
Speaker 1: like um, what's her name, Kim Control was the only
Speaker 1: one on that show who was ever naked real camera. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Santhia Nixon was too. Cynthia Nixon was okay, but the
Speaker 1: other two weren't. And you know, you're on a show
Speaker 1: called Sex and the City and it's all about girls,
Speaker 1: and there's young women in their sex lives, and two
Speaker 1: of the lead actresses who were very famous already at
Speaker 1: the time, did not have to be nude in the
Speaker 1: show ever, And um, I don't know how Sarah Sarah
Speaker 1: Jessica worked that into her contract or um or Kim Davis,
Speaker 1: but Kim Davis, Um, what's her name? Christin Davis christ
Speaker 1: and Davis thinking um, but yeah, but I think when
Speaker 1: that happened, and it's said an example of like, look,
Speaker 1: if Sarah Jessica Barker can lead a show called Sex
Speaker 1: in the City all about sex and never have to
Speaker 1: be nude on him, I think the rest of us
Speaker 1: can figure it out. We can certainly do a TV drama.
Speaker 1: And it also made it so easy to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: people have sex and bras guys moving on, like moving
Speaker 1: on sex and that's it. Yeah, it should be Oh
Speaker 1: my god, It's like it's like that movie driving in
Speaker 1: cars with boys, but it's having sex on TV and bras.
Speaker 1: Let's write down memoir Sirl, how they how they come
Speaker 1: to you for our show? How did we get you? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, they just someone. Um. All I remember
Speaker 1: is knowing that there was an arc and knowing that
Speaker 1: it was a limited amount, which was good because that's
Speaker 1: all I could do with my son being young, and
Speaker 1: because I was living in l A And it was
Speaker 1: shot there, and um, and so I just remember going
Speaker 1: in to talk to Mark about the character. And I
Speaker 1: was really interested in the character and I was interested
Speaker 1: in the show and and that was kind of all
Speaker 1: I remember about it and just feeling like, Yeah, this this,
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about this. It's such an interesting character
Speaker 1: because to player who is coming, you know, you've got
Speaker 1: the layer of dying, You've got the layer of coming
Speaker 1: of having given up your child for adoption and never
Speaker 1: seen her for years and years And I mean, how
Speaker 1: old Peyton were you? Seven? Hillary was Peyton when? You know?
Speaker 1: When when Ellie it was at birth? Right? Like you're right,
Speaker 1: you right? Okay, um, and then you're you're you've come back,
Speaker 1: but you're still kind of aloof and don't like totally wanna.
Speaker 1: It's like you want to be in her life, but
Speaker 1: as soon as Peyton reaches out, you're like, I don't
Speaker 1: get too close. It's so interesting and so many layers
Speaker 1: to play. Um, what do you remember about that and
Speaker 1: what were your challenges there? M hm, Well, I you know,
Speaker 1: it's it. I remember just feeling so grateful for our connection.
Speaker 1: You know I loved you right away. That's how I felt,
Speaker 1: of just like, Okay, this is great, I can I
Speaker 1: can anchor into this relationship and all the complexities here
Speaker 1: and just feeling that instant you know, that's always such
Speaker 1: a gift to just have that instant chemistry and um.
Speaker 1: You know it's before, before I became a mother, my
Speaker 1: memories about my work experiences were about my work experience.
Speaker 1: And after I became a mother, my memories about my
Speaker 1: work experience changed to, um, what were the complexities of
Speaker 1: life going on behind the scenes of the work experience,
Speaker 1: the traveling back and forth, the times that my son
Speaker 1: got to come visit UM while I was there working. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, those are the things that it becomes more
Speaker 1: about what was going on in life. Um. And also
Speaker 1: just also where UM I remember just that I did
Speaker 1: feel very grateful for the complexities of the character that
Speaker 1: as a as a as a woman, and as an actress,
Speaker 1: just always trying to find um parts that were multifaceted.
Speaker 1: You know that that part of it, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And and everyone was so nice there you all, you
Speaker 1: know that everyone was like you showed up. It was
Speaker 1: like the cool girls here, Oh, my god, she's so cool.
Speaker 1: I remember I remember one time a hurricane was coming
Speaker 1: when I was trying to figure out how to fly home,
Speaker 1: and I remember just sitting there watching in like the
Speaker 1: restaurant bar or something in the city, watching going as
Speaker 1: the hurricane is coming in on the news, which probably
Speaker 1: the hurricane parties. So did you always know that Ellie
Speaker 1: was going to die? They were always like, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is really because see I didn't ryl. I didn't
Speaker 1: and they kind of like led me on to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you've had to kiss all the boys on the show already.
Speaker 1: You know, like this is gonna be your new trajectory.
Speaker 1: You get to go do this other thing. And so
Speaker 1: then when you sorry spoiler alert for anybody who's watching
Speaker 1: along with us caught up. When Ellie dies, I was despondent,
Speaker 1: like like no one could talk sense. And to me
Speaker 1: they were like, Hillary, it's okay, And I'm like, but
Speaker 1: she's going to come back from the dead, right, like
Speaker 1: maybe she's got a sister on this show too. How
Speaker 1: do we get Cheryl back? Um? And that's interesting that
Speaker 1: we never never told me. Someone said don't say anything,
Speaker 1: or um, wow, yeah, I was ready for you. To
Speaker 1: stay forever and ever, and then eventually we meet Peyton's
Speaker 1: birth father, John Doe, who is from the band X,
Speaker 1: the punk band out in l A. And I just
Speaker 1: feel like it's such a missed opportunity that our parents,
Speaker 1: like my parents, were never in the same place at
Speaker 1: the same time. Sofia, did your parents ever really get
Speaker 1: into the same place at the same time? Did your
Speaker 1: dad ever arrive? Yes, the Brooks dad. So you know,
Speaker 1: we get Daphnie Um playing my mom playing Victoria in
Speaker 1: season five, so you got to do Overla, Gary Harrison,
Speaker 1: Robert Davis Jr. Who went by Ted. I've never understood
Speaker 1: why Ted is a nickname for Robert, but someone can
Speaker 1: explain to us. At another time was played by a
Speaker 1: lovely actor, Richard Bergie. Hillary, you didn't get to meet him, kiss,
Speaker 1: I had a crush on Oh, you would have had
Speaker 1: such a crush on Richard. He's such a dream book him.
Speaker 1: Him and Gregory Harrison they played Julian's dad's and I
Speaker 1: was like, we won the dad Jack pop, What is
Speaker 1: going on here? That sent me back to soap opera
Speaker 1: days because I was the two of them, that's what all.
Speaker 1: And I was just going to stare at you. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my telephone right now. And god, what
Speaker 1: a lovely man. And he and he and Daphne played
Speaker 1: off of each other deliciously. Their chemistry was so great
Speaker 1: and the three of us just had a ball. I
Speaker 1: really wish we'd had him on the show before the
Speaker 1: last season because he was wonderful. Cheryl. We have gotten
Speaker 1: a lot of closure and redemption and also like a
Speaker 1: lot of fun by doing this like podcast reboot rewatch situation.
Speaker 1: But you guys did that with Twin Peaks years ago,
Speaker 1: Like you guys all got together again. How many years
Speaker 1: after the original show to do this reboot? Um, Well
Speaker 1: it was almost twenty five years. Amazing, twenty five years?
Speaker 1: Wait was it on this twenty minutes? Wait a minute?
Speaker 1: Were like mad is dumb? And I think that we
Speaker 1: did season three around um six years ago or seven
Speaker 1: years ago? And I was you guys did did? And
Speaker 1: I was like and it was like two when we
Speaker 1: did five years? How is getting that call? Who? What call?
Speaker 1: Or like, how did that go down? Well? It was
Speaker 1: you know, there's been rumors for decades that we were
Speaker 1: going to do UM seasons and we knew that was
Speaker 1: not going to happen. So I didn't pay any attention
Speaker 1: to the rumors, and so then um, these rumors started
Speaker 1: happening that seemed to not kind of quiet. It's like
Speaker 1: the wave of the rumor just kept getting bigger. Finally,
Speaker 1: one of the castmates reached out to me and said,
Speaker 1: you know this is real. That's that There's no way.
Speaker 1: So I sent it David an email and asked, is
Speaker 1: this this is real? And did he answer? Did he
Speaker 1: send back like a coded message or something weird? I
Speaker 1: feel like he'st like a hot air balloon or something.
Speaker 1: It was a little bit cryptic, it was. It was
Speaker 1: a little bit mysterious, yes, but not really any just
Speaker 1: more to come, dude. So what was your experience shooting
Speaker 1: in Wilmington's um before. I've been there so many times
Speaker 1: before that if you're familiar going back or or was it?
Speaker 1: I loved working so much um So I had stayed.
Speaker 1: I can't even remember the jobs that I did there.
Speaker 1: They were independent films. I had stayed once in one
Speaker 1: of those beach houses. Yeah, it's amazing and um and
Speaker 1: then also downtown. So I loved that feeling of that. UM.
Speaker 1: I felt like creatively it really fed the work, whatever
Speaker 1: the work that I was doing was, I found it
Speaker 1: to be. Um. I really enjoyed it creatively. You know,
Speaker 1: there's history there, there's a lot of interesting different parts
Speaker 1: to that place. It's a really artistic town too, there's
Speaker 1: so much theater, so many fine arts, communities and music. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love act and just the feeling of the sort
Speaker 1: of smaller city feeling that was really nice to be in. Well,
Speaker 1: and there's a there's a weirdness to Wilmington's you know,
Speaker 1: there's kind of like a because it's such a haunted city,
Speaker 1: there's like a little bit of like a cryptic feel
Speaker 1: to it. And Ellie is kind of a cryptic woman.
Speaker 1: You know, she's living in this like dilapidated Victorian home
Speaker 1: with no furniture and like a lot she doesn't even
Speaker 1: have a glass to drink out. There's like a lot
Speaker 1: of eggs carton like this will do. There's like roaches
Speaker 1: everywhere and high glass no but it um. You know,
Speaker 1: there's an edge to this character that I think was
Speaker 1: great because so often women are portrayed as martyrs if
Speaker 1: they're playing mothers, you know, everyone wants the martyr, and
Speaker 1: Ellie's just like no, I I chose a fun life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I made the choice that was right for me, Like
Speaker 1: I'm not going to apologize for it, you know, which
Speaker 1: was great and kind of revolutionary at the time. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: how did you put it together at a time where
Speaker 1: not everyone was doing that? Well? I feel like they they,
Speaker 1: the writers did the work, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That that was there and so to really just um, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I had known many women in my life who didn't
Speaker 1: just follow um the supposed to us or or you know,
Speaker 1: and so I had references, you know, personal references that
Speaker 1: I could draw from, and that um, that kind of
Speaker 1: directness and just inner knowing and um, just that kind
Speaker 1: that life experience. There's something I don't think the writers
Speaker 1: did though they didn't to me, Elisa of Eli's behavior
Speaker 1: was really contrasting, you know, showing up and wanting to
Speaker 1: be a part of Peyton's life and begging to be
Speaker 1: a part of it, and then when Peyton comes to
Speaker 1: find her, pushing her away and then coming back, and
Speaker 1: that the push and pull. It's that's just on the
Speaker 1: page and making it believable, creating a character that you
Speaker 1: had to justify that behavior for you so that you
Speaker 1: could empathize with her and then play you know, play her.
Speaker 1: That's that's not anything the writers did, that's you. And
Speaker 1: I'm interested to know how you justified all that behavior
Speaker 1: for her in order to make her someone that we
Speaker 1: didn't hate like we loved her. We we empathized along
Speaker 1: with her as well, even though she was feeling all
Speaker 1: these complicated things. Yeah, and now I look at the
Speaker 1: way she treated her daughter, and I'm like, wow, that's intense.
Speaker 1: I remember hearing, uh, you know from one of my
Speaker 1: acting teachers at a very young age that if you
Speaker 1: can find the love under all that right that if
Speaker 1: it's if it's because of the love underneath it, then um,
Speaker 1: it's then I could find as a mother away to
Speaker 1: justify it. If that makes sense. Yeah. Everybody just sort
Speaker 1: of does what they think is best, and usually you,
Speaker 1: I can understand how you would be doing those things
Speaker 1: thinking that it's best for Peyton and thinking that you're
Speaker 1: willing to hurt yourself for the sake of her, even
Speaker 1: though she doesn't understand. Yeah, that's kind of what I
Speaker 1: was getting from Ellie anyway. So of all the storylines
Speaker 1: that Peyton had to do, the one that I get
Speaker 1: the most fans feedback from is this one because there
Speaker 1: there are a number of people out there who have
Speaker 1: lost a parent to cancer, and this storyline, as messy
Speaker 1: as it is, you know, as like back and forth
Speaker 1: as it is, as conflicted as it is, UM has
Speaker 1: been cathartic for a lot of people. And I feel
Speaker 1: like when I saw you at the convention, you mentioned
Speaker 1: that people come up and or have talked to you
Speaker 1: about it and been like, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: doing this storyline. Has that been your experience often? Yeah?
Speaker 1: If if I'm ever recognized for this, it is usually
Speaker 1: with someone who has experience with cancer UM, you know,
Speaker 1: And I wish there were more stories out there about UM,
Speaker 1: this for children and parents, and you know, I feel
Speaker 1: like that's part of as storytellers, that's part of our
Speaker 1: responsibility is to really keep UM bringing bringing these stories
Speaker 1: into the into the awareness for healing and from the
Speaker 1: conversation and UM so people feel seen and known and
Speaker 1: there's something somebody else is going through this too. I'm
Speaker 1: not alone. Yes, we don't think about like how old
Speaker 1: we were doing this. You don't think about it on
Speaker 1: the day, but then like all these years later, you
Speaker 1: realize you're providing other people with the language and with
Speaker 1: the framework to deal with it in real life, because
Speaker 1: if you don't have the right words, you know, if
Speaker 1: you don't have an example of like a person whether
Speaker 1: they be real or fictional, living past a bad situation
Speaker 1: like this, you don't know what it looks like. But
Speaker 1: if you can watch it and visualize it and be like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: we've lost this carrot dir and then life moves on
Speaker 1: as it does, but it is changed, you know, to
Speaker 1: give people a safe place to witness grief, I think
Speaker 1: can also be very transformational because when you go through loss,
Speaker 1: it's so personal. It's often very private. When you're grieving,
Speaker 1: you tend to stay home. It's insular, and so it's
Speaker 1: not something in our society we've been able to witness
Speaker 1: a lot of it's very private and personal. And hearing
Speaker 1: about the ways in which a storyline like this one
Speaker 1: for an audience can model how hard it will be
Speaker 1: to lose somebody, but also that they will remain with
Speaker 1: you in ways that you will carry on a project
Speaker 1: that you began with them before they died, as Peyton does,
Speaker 1: that that you will honor them in parts of your life.
Speaker 1: And yes, you will be if you are if we
Speaker 1: are lucky enough to survive someone. And I don't mean
Speaker 1: we're lucky that we've lost someone. I mean like we're lucky,
Speaker 1: we're alive. We're all lucky. We're alive every day. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're lucky enough to continue living your life, you
Speaker 1: can do it in a way where you carry that
Speaker 1: person with you. And and yeah, like when had we
Speaker 1: ever seen that before? We got to see you guys
Speaker 1: do it in a storyline. It was beautiful, um that
Speaker 1: I I was. I was so sad when he left
Speaker 1: and then I left the show and hooked up with
Speaker 1: Jeff and then the first job he does right when
Speaker 1: I gave birth to us, like Gus was like two
Speaker 1: months old. He's like, oh my bluddy, Cheryl's doing this
Speaker 1: movie with me. I was like, Cheryl, who you don't know?
Speaker 1: Or Sheryl Lee And I'm like, she's my mother. But
Speaker 1: you guys have known each other like forever. And that
Speaker 1: was such a weird. It was the universe's way of
Speaker 1: being like Hillary, you didn't misread the connection, Like this
Speaker 1: is someone who is absolutely like supposed to be in
Speaker 1: your world. It's good to love her. I was so
Speaker 1: happy that you guys just like randomly were in this
Speaker 1: movie together. But again, you were playing like a bad girl.
Speaker 1: Is that your stick? Does everyone cast you to play
Speaker 1: like a drunkie pants? Or I die? Yeah? I was
Speaker 1: doing the other day how many times I had died?
Speaker 1: I die all the time? To Cheryl, you do everything
Speaker 1: I'm in, they kill me off. I'm like, what is it?
Speaker 1: Do you hate me? Or am I just like so
Speaker 1: lovely that to kill me is so tragic the second one.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna break everybody's heart of dying always. Yeah,
Speaker 1: haven't you done like a vampire movie? Yeah? God, I
Speaker 1: the life sucked out of me. Yeah, what about you?
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. What's been your favorite on screen death?
Speaker 1: Of all the things that you've passed in, what's been
Speaker 1: the winner? You know? I mean it kind of probably
Speaker 1: is Twin Peaks, but it wasn't that. It was probably
Speaker 1: more just the um experience of being able to you
Speaker 1: know that that first scene being found on the beach
Speaker 1: wrapped in plastic. I didn't have any lines, thank god,
Speaker 1: because I was so nervous and I didn't know anything
Speaker 1: about filmmaking or television or anything, and so I got
Speaker 1: to just lay there like a little sponge and soak
Speaker 1: it all up. So yeah, taped up in my plastic.
Speaker 1: But Matt Hillary's question is that sort of your your
Speaker 1: typical go to people cast you is the bad girl
Speaker 1: a lot? And is there anything that you're still just
Speaker 1: like dying to do? Um? Well, no one thinks. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've never I don't think I've ever done a comedy.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever really, I mean, unless it
Speaker 1: would be maybe be a really really dark it's a
Speaker 1: dark comedy. Yeah, yeah, and I would love to do
Speaker 1: you know, I played a vampire at one point. But
Speaker 1: I would also love to do something really kind of fantasy,
Speaker 1: like like oh yeah, me too, write like Lord of
Speaker 1: the Rings, like pans Labyrinth, like something really weird. Should
Speaker 1: we all do the Witches of east Wick? Is that
Speaker 1: what this podcast is really about? Girl? Let's just leave
Speaker 1: witches hello as long as we can fly. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: like reading about Appellation witches because what they would do
Speaker 1: is at night they would shape shift and then they
Speaker 1: turn men into horses and ride them all night long
Speaker 1: around the countryside. So when these men woke up, they
Speaker 1: would like couldn't go to work. They had the vapors.
Speaker 1: I've been written by a witch all night and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, I feel like this is a lot of innuendo.
Speaker 1: We're gonna We're gonna be some creepy which is Cheryl.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. Somebody give us some money. Yeah, One
Speaker 1: Tree Hill twenty five years later, just like Twin Peaks
Speaker 1: is now a supernatural experience. What do we have? What
Speaker 1: do we have seven years to go or something we
Speaker 1: can We'll figure it out. I'm all for it. Um, Sryl.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I took from the show when
Speaker 1: I left was Ellie's leather jacket. It is my prize possession. Oh,
Speaker 1: I keep it in a safe space. My son steals
Speaker 1: all my coats because he's my size now, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, don't touch that one. That's that's the special one. Um.
Speaker 1: But I hope I get to see you in real
Speaker 1: life soon. Um. We've got more conventions and stuff coming up.
Speaker 1: But you're such an important part of this show, and
Speaker 1: you were really, really really important part of my time
Speaker 1: on the show, and you know that well. I am
Speaker 1: very very grateful to have been a part of the show.
Speaker 1: And it just warms my heart to see all your
Speaker 1: beautiful faces and smiles and congratulations on everything you're doing,
Speaker 1: and just tons and tons of love and gratitude. We
Speaker 1: need to do a mommy daughter trip with all of
Speaker 1: our mothers from the show and all the girls from
Speaker 1: the show. God, Yes, Best Armstrong, Schery, Lee, Daphne's Uniga.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Moira and Barbara and let's hit the road.
Speaker 1: Let's hit the bar Oh. We love seeing you. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for coming so much, Cheryl, thank you
Speaker 1: all so much. I love her. I've got no childhood
Speaker 1: dream come true. No, that she's amazing. I can't believe
Speaker 1: you held your tears back. That was even still, Like,
Speaker 1: she just makes me. It's not that I'm nervous. It's
Speaker 1: not that I'm nervous. It's that I just get like
Speaker 1: giddy about her and geek out so hard because I
Speaker 1: get it. Oh, I wanted to keep her so bad.
Speaker 1: If we've gotten to keep Cheryl, oh my god. But
Speaker 1: it's probably wouldn't have packed the same punch though, you know,
Speaker 1: it's so great, Like she was so iconic because the
Speaker 1: way she came in and I mean this character was
Speaker 1: so iconic because she came in and went out so
Speaker 1: quickly and made such a huge impact, and only somebody
Speaker 1: Cheryl's caliber and talent could have been able to handle
Speaker 1: that and make that happen well. And now I look
Speaker 1: at the part that she played and the fact that
Speaker 1: she was able to be like a mother and work
Speaker 1: out of talent on location, and I'm just like, when
Speaker 1: do I get to start playing Ellie's Like, who's going
Speaker 1: to call me to play the Ellie Harp character? In what?
Speaker 1: I mean? I don't even know what teenage shows are
Speaker 1: on right now. Yeah, that makes me sound like a grandma.
Speaker 1: I'm like one of the kids watching these days. But yeah,
Speaker 1: those are the parts that are really fun as a
Speaker 1: mom to go in and like put the leather leather
Speaker 1: bracelet on in the cool concert t and you're not
Speaker 1: in the school pickup line for a couple of days,
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, yeah, I'm cool. I remember how
Speaker 1: to be cool. She's so freaking cool. It was interesting
Speaker 1: to me too that like, as as we are wondering
Speaker 1: again not perhaps inappropriately, but like we're learning things as
Speaker 1: bold women and we don't love this, um see saw
Speaker 1: that's happening with Lucas and Peyton and Lucas and Brooke.
Speaker 1: I forgot that in this episode, Brooke is upset that
Speaker 1: she's not hearing from Lucas all day and Haley's not
Speaker 1: hearing from Nathan at all, and that misdirect was gold
Speaker 1: when you're like, well, make a boy, what would make
Speaker 1: a boy just leave a girl after a night? And
Speaker 1: I was like this comment, this is actually in an
Speaker 1: episode the same but not admitting, not knowing that the
Speaker 1: other person was going through the exact same thing. And
Speaker 1: then we were both angry and trying to solve our
Speaker 1: own problems without each other. I loved it. I also
Speaker 1: loved that at the end of the episode when Nathan
Speaker 1: comes to the door, like there was something vulnerable on
Speaker 1: James's face and I saw you see it and know
Speaker 1: that you had been sort of making up a story
Speaker 1: that wasn't true all day and you just welcomed him in,
Speaker 1: and and and the familiarity between those two, between Nathan
Speaker 1: and Haley makes it work wordlessly. Well, that's it. There's
Speaker 1: no misdirect there. He just I wanted to spend some
Speaker 1: time with you, or can I hang out with your
Speaker 1: relief instead of Lucas, Who's like I got a thing
Speaker 1: to do with you, you know, like, yeah, yeah, girls
Speaker 1: take a lesson misdirect not it's I mean, not to
Speaker 1: be men take a lesson. This is what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like men in cafe's like you're direct, but not be direct.
Speaker 1: Doing Nathan, Nathan, Nathan. That's really the point, guys being Nathan.
Speaker 1: I also loved in the ways that everyone's love story
Speaker 1: is a little messy right now. I love the love
Speaker 1: story of Peyton and Ellie and Peyton trying to find
Speaker 1: a way to talk to her, and and Hillary, you
Speaker 1: did it so beautifully because you can tell that you
Speaker 1: don't really want to be totally vulnerable, so you make
Speaker 1: it about work. But then like you're hanging out and
Speaker 1: you're learning about the record she loves, and she's talking
Speaker 1: about T shirts and like your mom might give you
Speaker 1: a T shirt from The Beautiful Got Me in real life,
Speaker 1: Like that's my love language when someone gives me a
Speaker 1: thing that's theirs and it's not like a new thing,
Speaker 1: you know, and you both have done it. You both
Speaker 1: have given me things that you're just like, oh, do
Speaker 1: you want this thing? And I'm like, uh, yes, I do.
Speaker 1: And there's um there's kind of that like thrist Store
Speaker 1: quality to it, where it's like this has collected a
Speaker 1: narrative before it's come to me, and the idea that
Speaker 1: Peyton is going to get these records of these T
Speaker 1: shirts from this woman to create an intimacy is you know,
Speaker 1: HiT's a little close to home. But I also so
Speaker 1: much of our show is about whatever boy you're dating,
Speaker 1: and it's just me. It meant so much to me
Speaker 1: to have a storyline that wasn't about a dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it meant a lot to our audience as well,
Speaker 1: because that's not it's not literally everything everybody thinks about
Speaker 1: all the time. Like, yes, when you're young and hormonal,
Speaker 1: you know, you're romantic interests are at the forefront of
Speaker 1: your mind most of the time. But there are a
Speaker 1: lot of people, a lot of people have problems with
Speaker 1: their family and their siblings and and with their parents
Speaker 1: and how they're doing their school, and that can be
Speaker 1: that can take over at any moment, and it was
Speaker 1: really really a relief to see that represented with um
Speaker 1: with Peyton and Ellie. You know what's interesting you're saying
Speaker 1: that I remember and I wrote it down in my
Speaker 1: notes when we started watching this episode. There there's some
Speaker 1: stuff for the comedy that they gave Brook that made
Speaker 1: me laugh, but it was so cringe e. They would
Speaker 1: they would sometimes push me into these directions where I,
Speaker 1: as Sophia, would feel like they were they wanted Brooke
Speaker 1: to be mean or really tone deaf or like over
Speaker 1: the top. And it was very interesting because I remember
Speaker 1: feeling then like Brooks finally launching her company and now
Speaker 1: she's just going to be awful to everyone. And now
Speaker 1: I was like so self conscious about it. But it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what you've written for me, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to commit and I'm I'm going to try my best,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna put her paranoia about losing her chance
Speaker 1: underneath it and try to humanize it. And watching it,
Speaker 1: for some reason, now with with like distance, I could
Speaker 1: hear it in a different way, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, they wanted Brooke to be like
Speaker 1: the worst version of herself, the cheerleader that Faith is
Speaker 1: talking to Lucas about. So she was like, He's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not defending who Brooke was, I'm defending
Speaker 1: who she is. And then it comes in and she's
Speaker 1: like a banshee screaming and everyone like running a sweatshop.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, my god, there's children, children, children.
Speaker 1: But now I can see the comedic device in a
Speaker 1: way that at the time I was like, why she
Speaker 1: got to be mean when she's finally doing something for herself.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting. I loved it not just for the
Speaker 1: comedic device, but also because again, characters have to have
Speaker 1: flaws and to be able to see Brooke at her worst,
Speaker 1: falling being a mess, falling apart, like we said, messy,
Speaker 1: messy Brook and a big lovable mess. And then the
Speaker 1: second that Hayley's like, hey, stop it, you're being a
Speaker 1: huge bitch. Be nice to people. Everybody here is busting
Speaker 1: their asses for you. And Brooke turns on a dime
Speaker 1: and she says, you're right. There's a lot of people
Speaker 1: out there who don't. They get defensive, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like it takes days or weeks or years before they're
Speaker 1: leaving admit that they're wrong. And Brooke is like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, you're right, and she turns immediately because she's
Speaker 1: not afraid. She's not afraid of being wrong. That's kind
Speaker 1: of what's great about living a messy life, right, She's
Speaker 1: not afraid of being wrong. It's a good example of
Speaker 1: female friendship. Where you can haul your friend out on
Speaker 1: something and it's not a fight that ends the relationship.
Speaker 1: We've talked about that a number of times, where when
Speaker 1: someone tells you the truth, you realize, oh, you really
Speaker 1: love and respect me. And that's example. Thank you. Would
Speaker 1: way rather watch somebody who's being a huge, huge ass
Speaker 1: sut go, oh my god, I'm being such an asshole
Speaker 1: right now. I'm so sorry, everybody, I'm really sorry. That's great.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like we're only human, that's the what
Speaker 1: else can we expect? Much rather watch that than somebody
Speaker 1: who's just like a jerk for no reason and then
Speaker 1: never admits they're wrong. Dan Scott, Dan Scott Scott. How
Speaker 1: about Dan walking into Haley and Nate bedroom that was
Speaker 1: picking up for a second, picking up her bra, that
Speaker 1: picking up a teenage girls bra and talking about a
Speaker 1: one night stand. It's like it wasn't sexual. It's all
Speaker 1: power for him. It's like it has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with him trying to be like a creepy pervy. He
Speaker 1: wasn't being pervy. He was being his normal power hungry
Speaker 1: self and in any way that he could diminish someone
Speaker 1: else and make them feel insecure and humiliated. That's what
Speaker 1: the picking up the bra was. But regardless, it's still disgusting.
Speaker 1: And then to say at least Peyton was pleasant and
Speaker 1: the more in just to remind you so gross. It's
Speaker 1: petty in a way that like, no, no adult should
Speaker 1: be this petty and stealing the note like he swepes
Speaker 1: Nathan's handwritten note to her what are you seven? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I need Dan to like. I liked it when Dan
Speaker 1: and Karen got flirty in future episodes because Dan without
Speaker 1: that glimmer of redemption is a tough pill to swallow.
Speaker 1: But Dan, if I if I'm always on the verge
Speaker 1: of being like, mmm, it's just a more fun Dan
Speaker 1: to me? Could I kiss him? Could I have an
Speaker 1: hour long lunch with him before finding out he's engaged? Honestly, Honestly,
Speaker 1: you went on a lunch date with Dan Scott, that's
Speaker 1: what happened to you. Joy, Oh my god, Joy, it's
Speaker 1: so frustrating. He was so nice and handsome and sweet
Speaker 1: and he's running. I will never get over a grown
Speaker 1: ass man texting you. Well, if I had a nickel
Speaker 1: for every time I got hit on by a woman X,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have to use me wasn't like, I think
Speaker 1: knowing this guy's tone, he was like, whatever, if I
Speaker 1: had a nickel, I thought it was blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Like I think that's what he was going for. But
Speaker 1: it's just like, I hope he read it back after
Speaker 1: he sent it and was like, yeah, that didn't read
Speaker 1: very much. Yeah, I really hope he made himself feel
Speaker 1: queasy because he made me feel sick to my stomach.
Speaker 1: He's like in bed with babe, Babe, look at this text.
Speaker 1: This looks weird. This girl, and I think she got
Speaker 1: the wrong idea. It's like she thought I asked her
Speaker 1: out or something because I asked her to have a
Speaker 1: meal with me. Idiot. No, guys, I'm just not enlightened enough.
Speaker 1: I'm not enlightened enough to it too. When we talked
Speaker 1: about gasoline on yourself and just light it on fire him,
Speaker 1: now we talk about Tree Hill voters and how it's
Speaker 1: possible that Dan Scott was able to charm a town
Speaker 1: into not understanding his associate path. This is what I'm
Speaker 1: going to envision, like in line at lunch asking pretty
Speaker 1: girls to sit with him and then be like, why
Speaker 1: did you misinterpret this? What's your problem? I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to get my constituents y. Yeah, um, do we need
Speaker 1: to spin a wheel, ladies, Yes, we sure do. Let's
Speaker 1: spin that wheel. Yeah. Okay, we got a most likely
Speaker 1: too great regift, something gifted to them. M mmm, I
Speaker 1: mean okay. On the show, Dan Scott, I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know how teachers always get the gifts at the
Speaker 1: end of the year, Like, how many mugs does a
Speaker 1: teacher really need? You know? Is the kind of guy
Speaker 1: that's just like, here, take this thing. I think it's
Speaker 1: hailing really, oh my god, dude, tell it's I think
Speaker 1: it's like the one. It's it's like a something she
Speaker 1: could get away with. That's not wrong. It's just to
Speaker 1: mind what I mean. It's just flight like and it's
Speaker 1: like nobody's going to know, and she can just like
Speaker 1: slightly pass it on. No baky, Well, actually, isn't it
Speaker 1: broke in this episode that gives away all her c
Speaker 1: ds and she's like, that's a really nice thing to
Speaker 1: do with my with my CDs. You know, I can
Speaker 1: see Brook doing it majorly. I will say I have
Speaker 1: a I have a theory, perhaps controversial, but in the
Speaker 1: spirit of defending ree gifting every so often I've been
Speaker 1: given something that I'm like, this is lovely. I don't
Speaker 1: like to waste stuff. I like I take things to
Speaker 1: Goodwill and you know Salvation Army so regularly. But I
Speaker 1: have on occasion been given something and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: this looks exactly like Jenny or oh my god, you
Speaker 1: know who would love this? My friend Jed. Like I've
Speaker 1: just been given something that I don't actually need or
Speaker 1: that like I might have one, but one of my
Speaker 1: friends really wants one. And then I'm like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give it to them for their birthday.
Speaker 1: That feels weird, but like on a random Tuesday, they're
Speaker 1: not going to wrap it? Is that the deal? As
Speaker 1: long as you don't wrap a ree gifts, because then
Speaker 1: I think it's like you won't believe this thing I got.
Speaker 1: I knew you wanted one here, and it's just like,
Speaker 1: well that's nice. I'm not mad. I think we need
Speaker 1: to buy less stuff, but yeah, destigmatized. Yeah, essentially, it's
Speaker 1: how I feel about Vintage. I pay to regift someone
Speaker 1: else to stuff TOLF like anyway, in real life, that's
Speaker 1: my theory. That's my theory. Than thank you guys for
Speaker 1: joining us um, we will see you next week for
Speaker 1: episode three eleven eleven more drama. Looks like maybe there's
Speaker 1: uh some storylines actually going to start happening now that
Speaker 1: they built all the bridges they needed to build. No
Speaker 1: more flashbacks. Yeah, the next episode is called Return of
Speaker 1: the Future, so like maybe we get real time TV back.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Sorry guys, See you guys later, See
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