WEBVTT - Chaos with Lexi Ioannou

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, Welcome back to another episode of Casual Chaos.

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<v Speaker 2>This week.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a guest that some of you might recognize

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<v Speaker 1>from the early days of The Real House Ives in

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey, LEXI you wan to welcome to Casual Chaos.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so nice to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so nice to see you. I'm like so giddy

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's been so long. I can't even pinpoint how

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<v Speaker 2>long it's been.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I mean, we'll dive into all of it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was really trying to remember when the last

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<v Speaker 1>time was. And I don't even know if you were

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<v Speaker 1>at Audrianna's communion.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't, so then I really don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know either.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, my last memories were, you know, obviously running

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<v Speaker 1>around the brown Stone, Jacqueline's house, Caroline's house, your mom's house,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously your old house, running through your mom's closet, just yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>little things like this, yes, and then walking in and

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<v Speaker 1>animals everywhere there the little chihuahua what was what was

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<v Speaker 1>his name?

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<v Speaker 2>Crazy? The one with other arms?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh crazy, Yes, that was your mom's baby. But I

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<v Speaker 1>have random memories of all of this stuff. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know when the last time was I really don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Loveably ten years ago, which is so crazy because it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't feel like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been back and forth to California. I've seen your

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<v Speaker 1>mom and Dave, but I've just never seen you.

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<v Speaker 2>The timing has always been always off. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, now you're in New York. How does it feel

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<v Speaker 1>coming back to Jersey? Do you ever get anxiety about it?

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<v Speaker 2>I get so much anxiety about it. I really try

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<v Speaker 2>to avoid it at all costs, honestly. But I was

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<v Speaker 2>just there to see my dad and my whole Greek's

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<v Speaker 2>out of the family.

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<v Speaker 1>How is your relationship with your dad now?

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<v Speaker 2>He's the best dad? Yeah? He's always been the best dad,

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<v Speaker 2>the most consistent and normal and all of the chaos

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<v Speaker 2>of how we were raised, my dad was like my

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<v Speaker 2>normal sounding boy. So he's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Because when we were younger, did your dad not want

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<v Speaker 1>you to doing the show?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I have random memories. This is where it's coming back

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<v Speaker 1>to me. But I'm having such random memories of everything

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<v Speaker 1>from when we were little.

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<v Speaker 2>You were so little. But the first season, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think anybody knew what it was going to be or

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<v Speaker 2>what we were getting ourselves into. And once it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of came out and it was as big as it was.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad was like, and my mom, we need to

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<v Speaker 2>pull Lexi out of this because I was just struggling

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<v Speaker 2>so much in school. I was twelve when the first

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<v Speaker 2>season aired, and I was so nerdy, so unfortunate looking.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like in the ultimate you know, awkward phase.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like aired on national television, which luckily you

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<v Speaker 2>were able to see it coming because you were like

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<v Speaker 2>so little. Very few people can say that they went

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<v Speaker 2>through what we did with their awkward faces being displayed

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<v Speaker 2>for the whole time, you know, world to have an

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<v Speaker 2>opinion on it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's definitely a crazy experience. But I remember you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have an easy time in school. No, I had to

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<v Speaker 1>leave my school.

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<v Speaker 2>It was this whole thing. I was basically like tortured

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<v Speaker 2>over it. Like it wasn't regarded as a cool thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It isolated me. Did you feel that way too? Honestly?

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like this stereotype kind of lives in

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<v Speaker 1>Jersey a little bit about the different counties for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>But in Morris County we look at Bergen County as, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>these are where the rich kids live. You know, everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>got it together in this County. And that's just how

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<v Speaker 1>people in Morris County see it. Not that the people

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<v Speaker 1>in Morris County. You know, people obviously have money in

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<v Speaker 1>Morris County, but people don't view that county as that definitely,

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<v Speaker 1>so yes, a status thing, one hundred percent. You know, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nice houses in Bergen County, really nice areas.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff like that in Lakes has such a connotation to

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<v Speaker 2>it now too.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember they would go get their hair done at

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<v Speaker 1>the Cocoa Chateau.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, chateau. That's where it all started.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where it all started. When I was growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>I might have had I think one person really stuck

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<v Speaker 1>with bullying me. I guess you could say it was bullying,

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<v Speaker 1>but just kind of comments throughout the years. When I

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<v Speaker 1>was in elementary school, middle school, high school, it was

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<v Speaker 1>the same person that constantly tortured me, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like, what is wrong she? Now, I would love

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<v Speaker 2>to know it was a guy. What is a boy?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so unexpected right, Usually the girls are the mean

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<v Speaker 2>one I know.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have to say I was fortunate enough that

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<v Speaker 1>people really didn't bother me in Moville. They really didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>And even when I got to Rutgers. It was more

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<v Speaker 1>so fans coming up to me, and so I really

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<v Speaker 1>didn't receive the hate.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was a timing thing. I went into

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<v Speaker 2>it at that age, like you were so little when

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<v Speaker 2>it all started, and then it kind of evolved and

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<v Speaker 2>it became something cool. But in the beginning, there were

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<v Speaker 2>so many women in New Jersey that were so envious

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<v Speaker 2>of our moms and wish that they got that attention

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<v Speaker 2>and that opportunity. It was just a perfect storm of

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<v Speaker 2>bad timing and that's why my mom left.

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<v Speaker 1>So she left right after season two, and she, I

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<v Speaker 1>think felt like this wasn't for her when it was happening,

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<v Speaker 1>and as much as she had my mom stick up

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<v Speaker 1>for her, literally filip a table for her, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was just very overwhelming. But I think there was

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<v Speaker 1>also so many other components to it too. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was affecting you a lot, but then I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was also getting in the way of her relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with Caroline and Jacqueline created such a mess, such a mess.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like everything that is transpired to present

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<v Speaker 1>day Do you feel like if the show was never

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<v Speaker 1>a thing, that everything would have happened.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, family dynamics are complicated. You understand that too.

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<v Speaker 2>The personalities are so different. I think it's a shame

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<v Speaker 2>because we had such a large and amazing family, and

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<v Speaker 2>for my grandparents, I wish that they got to see unity.

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<v Speaker 2>We are so different. Yeah, we're just so different. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't see a lot of common ground between

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<v Speaker 2>us and the rest of the family.

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<v Speaker 1>Your mom also came back season six, Yes, for one year.

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<v Speaker 2>The only reason she went back is because her family

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<v Speaker 2>left and she was going through the divorce. I was

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<v Speaker 2>about to go to college, and she's like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a job. Do you want to go to college? It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't pay for itself. We got to do it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was totally open to it at that point. That

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<v Speaker 2>season was so boring.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that was the worst season in Jersey Sty

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<v Speaker 1>So boring. Yeah, no, that one was bad, But you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, the season was boring because everyone kind of

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<v Speaker 1>got along and the people that were fighting were around

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<v Speaker 1>care No.

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<v Speaker 2>One cared about it exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So they wanted you know, your mom to be fighting

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<v Speaker 1>with Caroline and Jacqueline. They wanted my mom and her

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<v Speaker 1>brother to rip each other's heads off.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what they want want to decided to have boundaries

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<v Speaker 2>with their family that.

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<v Speaker 1>Year, I know why, I think was normal, Literally everything

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<v Speaker 1>was normal for a hot seck. I mean, you were

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<v Speaker 1>so close with I remember when we were younger, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be Lauren, Chris and I mean they were the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that were closest to age with you. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>lived with them, if you remember, my mom and I

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<v Speaker 1>lived with Caroline when my parents got divorced. They were

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<v Speaker 1>basically my siblings.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm an only child. Yeah, so it was definitely a

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<v Speaker 2>massive loss to lose those relationships, and the crossfire of

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<v Speaker 2>what happened with our moms hard.

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<v Speaker 1>They initially stopped talking. Was it when your mom and

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy got divorced? Oh no, No, it was way before,

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<v Speaker 1>way before, and then I truly can't even tie it

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<v Speaker 1>down to one reason. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The show creates a lot of chaos, yeah, especially with

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<v Speaker 2>family dynamics and money and fame, and it can kind

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<v Speaker 2>of have the ability to bring out the worst in

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<v Speaker 2>some people sometimes too.

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<v Speaker 1>It does, especially like you said, when there's money involved.

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<v Speaker 1>As sad as it is, it's a competition exactly so,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's a show involved and then the money's involved,

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<v Speaker 1>essentially competing against your family members to try to get

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<v Speaker 1>to the top. It shouldn't be like that, and as

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<v Speaker 1>a family, build an empire, grow as a family together,

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<v Speaker 1>create a unit. I always, you know, wish that for

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<v Speaker 1>my mom as well. I said to her, if your

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<v Speaker 1>brother didn't come on the show behind your back and

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<v Speaker 1>want what you had so badly and just asked you, hi, Tree,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I want to join the show, my mom

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<v Speaker 1>would have said, all right, Joey, let's do this together.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll build this empire as a family, make our parents proud,

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<v Speaker 1>and show America what an Italian family really is exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's the most national job, like in the entire world.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to just look at it as that as

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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity, as a job. It's like all these emotions

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<v Speaker 2>get involved. Yeah, my mom fell out with hers during

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<v Speaker 2>that second season. I'm pretty sure that's when it really

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<v Speaker 2>all became.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you were young when my mom flipped the table.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember you had you were still young, You're still little,

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<v Speaker 1>so you were living with them when you were little.

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<v Speaker 2>I was living with them from ages like four to seven.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why you were saying they were like, really

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<v Speaker 1>did raise you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, Lauren was there when I shaved my

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<v Speaker 2>legs for the first time. She dropped me off at

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<v Speaker 2>a boy's house for the first time for my first kiss.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, all being Christopher, where my brother is my

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<v Speaker 2>protectors and now we're complete strangers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you don't talk to any of them at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I reefed out to them after Tommy went to jail

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<v Speaker 2>because I was looking for help getting my things back

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<v Speaker 2>from the house because he left for jail, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I had an understanding that he kept everything of mine

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<v Speaker 2>all those years, so I wanted it back. It was

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<v Speaker 2>really difficult for me to extend myself and to ask

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<v Speaker 2>for help, but I was that desperate, Like I just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted them.

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<v Speaker 1>You wanted your heirlooms back, You wanted the things that

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<v Speaker 1>like you said when I've read your entry, when you

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<v Speaker 1>don't poke the bear, I almost started crying just because

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<v Speaker 1>it brought back just so many memories, and it also

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<v Speaker 1>just brought back how I remember our moms on the

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<v Speaker 1>phone just saying my closet's there, I have everything's there.

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<v Speaker 1>He literally left me with nothing, and reading your entry

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<v Speaker 1>and saying how you even had thirty minutes to get

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<v Speaker 1>your things? That was no right to you. No, this

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't your fault that they were separating. It was almost

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<v Speaker 1>like a dominance thing, like get out of my house,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're left with nothing to make you feel so

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<v Speaker 1>alone and helpless in a way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then he held on to my things for

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<v Speaker 2>you know, ten years and used them as a collateral. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because he had this also, this like weird obsession with

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<v Speaker 2>me for years. People would tell me that he kept

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<v Speaker 2>my room exactly the same because he thought I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to come back, Like I can't even begin to

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<v Speaker 2>understand why you would think I would ever come back there.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's have those things weird towards you when you

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<v Speaker 2>were younger. He never had children of his own, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was the closest thing he had to it, so.

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<v Speaker 1>He really never uncomfortable though.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he was never inappropriate, but he definitely was very affectionate,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was something I was very uncomfortable with because

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<v Speaker 2>neither of my parents are that way, So to receive

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<v Speaker 2>it from a stepfather is kind of like extra strange

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<v Speaker 2>when you don't receive it from your actual father. My

0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:45.800
<v Speaker 2>dad's very lovey, dovey, kissy, huggy. Yeah, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was told to pay him that kind of affection

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<v Speaker 2>out of respect. Therefore, I felt like our relationship was

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<v Speaker 2>very uncomfortable for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know if you remember how he was,

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<v Speaker 1>but he just like I honestly remember him not being

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<v Speaker 1>that present.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was never around.

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<v Speaker 1>I always remember whenever we were at the Brownstone, we

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<v Speaker 1>would run into the office, you know, just like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like go through the outskirts of the Brownstone and

0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.120
<v Speaker 1>run around and cause havoc because we could, and because

0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.280
<v Speaker 1>we were so close with everyone and it didn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>But I always just remember him sitting at that desk

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<v Speaker 1>at the Brownstone. I really don't have vivid memories of

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<v Speaker 1>any of that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's usually where he was, so it makes sense. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's an interesting character. And the way their divorce played

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<v Speaker 2>out and everything afterwards really is still, you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>shock to both My mom and I were just like,

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<v Speaker 2>how did this become reality?

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<v Speaker 1>But he clearly had and your right, obsession is the

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<v Speaker 1>right word, because then to make those events actually take

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<v Speaker 1>place and orchest straight something like that, you're sick.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I went to the the trial last year and

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<v Speaker 2>I sat there for a week and I listened to

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<v Speaker 2>everybody test FI and did that give you clarity? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean my Mom and I are so different like that,

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<v Speaker 2>Like she couldn't even stomach like being there for like

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<v Speaker 2>thirty minutes every day, all day for seven days, and

0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:14.920
<v Speaker 2>like I needed to know everything. And the word that

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<v Speaker 2>came up a lot was obsessive. Definitely, there was some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of obsessive disorder going on there with the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that he lost his family quote unquote my mom and

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<v Speaker 2>I and he just lost control.

0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.839
<v Speaker 1>And he thought that money and power could fix everything.

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<v Speaker 2>And honestly, some of the things he has done have

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<v Speaker 2>been the most painful things I've ever had to face

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<v Speaker 2>in my life. See my mom go through, see Dave

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<v Speaker 2>go through. It's been it's been completely unfair. Nobody deserves

0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.040
<v Speaker 2>any of that. But for me, the hardest thing to

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<v Speaker 2>overcome was him keeping my things and then eventually having

0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.880
<v Speaker 2>people discard of them. It's like, so hateful.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened when you reached out to them about so.

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<v Speaker 2>I reached out to them, And you know, it's so

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<v Speaker 2>funny because I wrote that don't poke the Bear article

0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:19.920
<v Speaker 2>and that was massive for me because I was silent

0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.240
<v Speaker 2>for ten years. I never spoke out on anything.

0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.320
<v Speaker 1>I never spoke out about anything, never, And that will

0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.120
<v Speaker 1>get into like even how you came here today and

0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:31.000
<v Speaker 1>you know your comfortability level and how much you've grown.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I was so surprised.

0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.680
<v Speaker 2>I never spoke out on anyone on anything, on any conflict.

0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.280
<v Speaker 2>I always was like Switzerland, and part of me is

0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.800
<v Speaker 2>like hesitant to even get into me reaching out to

0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.240
<v Speaker 2>them for help. And then I'm like, why why should

0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:49.600
<v Speaker 2>I hold back on like my truth? Yeah, And the

0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.160
<v Speaker 2>truth was, like I reached out to them for help.

0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure if you ask them, they did everything to

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<v Speaker 2>their best ability, but if you ask me, it wasn't

0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:03.800
<v Speaker 2>nearly enough. They disappointed me. Again, That's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>We're so different. I left off with them very open ended.

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking to them every day, asking for updates,

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<v Speaker 2>looking for help, looking for connections who had access to

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<v Speaker 2>the house. You know, there was a garage sale that

0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:18.400
<v Speaker 2>they had told me about, and they went to the

0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.680
<v Speaker 2>garage sale to look for my things, which you know

0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:24.160
<v Speaker 2>that was good on them, but still, Albi told you

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<v Speaker 2>about the garage sale that was now Lauren texted me.

0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.120
<v Speaker 2>I was in the middle of like a video interview

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<v Speaker 2>for my business and she texted me, there's a garage sale.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard some of your things are there. I was like, well,

0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.680
<v Speaker 2>are you gonna go? Yeah, and she's like, oh, I'm

0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:39.400
<v Speaker 2>going to send some of my friends and I called her.

0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.560
<v Speaker 2>I was like, no, you're gonna go, and you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go right now, because like at that point, the sale

0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:46.760
<v Speaker 2>was almost over. It had been going on all day long.

0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Lauren and Caroline went, one of my mom's friends went.

0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.720
<v Speaker 2>I had my dad go and take pictures, and I

0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.320
<v Speaker 2>saw things like, you know, the dollhouse that my grandmother

0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.280
<v Speaker 2>made me that was in my room growing up. These

0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:00.920
<v Speaker 2>are like irreplaceable heirlooms that have no value to anyone else,

0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:05.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, like my mom's insane shoe collection in her

0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:09.200
<v Speaker 2>designer bags. Those things are long gone. We accepted that,

0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.000
<v Speaker 2>but that wasn't what I was looking for. I was

0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.360
<v Speaker 2>looking for a piece of myself to have back. And

0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:20.000
<v Speaker 2>people were just protecting, you know, the things in that house,

0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:24.440
<v Speaker 2>protecting Tommy. And I asked Caroline and Lauren for help,

0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.200
<v Speaker 2>and I think they were only willing to do what

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<v Speaker 2>they were comfortable doing. I would ask them to make

0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.440
<v Speaker 2>phone calls to people and they wouldn't make them.

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<v Speaker 1>So they clearly have some sort of a fear too,

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<v Speaker 1>or they just don't care. And it's just pure selfishness.

0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:45.240
<v Speaker 2>I like to think they care. They're my family, but

0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:50.560
<v Speaker 2>I think we care about themselves more and keeping their

0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:57.000
<v Speaker 2>own peace more than fighting for mine. So it's okay.

0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:01.080
<v Speaker 2>I needed a reminder who I was dealing with because

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<v Speaker 2>as a kid, I saw my mom going through so

0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:07.200
<v Speaker 2>much pain with her family, and I guess I had

0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.240
<v Speaker 2>to understand what it felt like as an adult.

0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.240
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like, you know, our parents can only

0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:16.160
<v Speaker 1>remind us so much of what they went through and

0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.119
<v Speaker 1>how it hurt them, but we're not going to realize

0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:20.840
<v Speaker 1>it until they do it to us. Yeah, we have

0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:24.800
<v Speaker 1>to have our own experiences, our own opinions, and I

0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.000
<v Speaker 1>definitely have my own. Did your dad see who was there?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Could he go into the house or was there security?

0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:35.240
<v Speaker 2>I know everything about the woman that had this garage sale,

0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.479
<v Speaker 2>and I know she's one of taught me these people.

0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.160
<v Speaker 2>And I called her when she was having this sale

0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.080
<v Speaker 2>and I told her she was selling illegal goods. I mean,

0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:48.439
<v Speaker 2>I lost my mind. I've lost my mind. Yeah, Like,

0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:53.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm a very even balanced person and I very rarely

0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:58.320
<v Speaker 2>get to the point of extreme anger. But we all

0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:02.359
<v Speaker 2>have a little bit of Teresa table Flipp and I

0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.040
<v Speaker 2>definitely lost it on that woman.

0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, as you should again, you know, I

0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:12.199
<v Speaker 1>mean even everything from when you were little, like your jewelry.

0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Everything's gone, just all of that. Everything. Yeah, that would

0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.560
<v Speaker 2>tear me apart, everything, you know, I mean everything.

0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.760
<v Speaker 1>I was even going through random things the other day,

0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's crazy, like you know what up, but God

0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.719
<v Speaker 1>like sends you to like go through things for a reason.

0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:31.520
<v Speaker 1>And I had this old Mac makeup case, one of

0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:37.159
<v Speaker 1>those really old, like indestructible Mac makeup cases, and I

0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:39.680
<v Speaker 1>was about to, you know, give it to my cleaning lady,

0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:41.760
<v Speaker 1>like here, take it. I mean, I don't need it anymore.

0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:45.640
<v Speaker 1>It was just like collecting dust. And I opened it

0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.000
<v Speaker 1>and I guess when I was little, that's where I

0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:53.159
<v Speaker 1>stored all my baby jewelry. So I found all my

0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:57.720
<v Speaker 1>bracelets and literally the Ladybug bracelet your mom gave me

0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:01.679
<v Speaker 1>was in there. Everything. And I was about to just

0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:02.960
<v Speaker 1>give that to my cleaning lid.

0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:08.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, thank God, but.

0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.080
<v Speaker 1>That would have killed me, you know, to like one

0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.440
<v Speaker 1>day know that those were gone and wonder where they were.

0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.880
<v Speaker 1>But I mean for him to want to keep all

0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:20.879
<v Speaker 1>of that, he.

0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.639
<v Speaker 2>Kept it with so much intention. To have something to

0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:28.320
<v Speaker 2>hold over me. The week before he went away, he

0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:32.719
<v Speaker 2>called me and I didn't pick up because I had

0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.600
<v Speaker 2>a restraining order. But you know that the FBI put

0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:37.840
<v Speaker 2>in place, So he called me, and I was like

0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:42.080
<v Speaker 2>frozen into fear, like, oh my god, I can't believe

0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.000
<v Speaker 2>he would call me, like he's about to go to prison.

0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:46.560
<v Speaker 2>I know everything he's done and how he did it,

0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:51.800
<v Speaker 2>and I think he was probably calling about the things

0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:54.520
<v Speaker 2>because he knew that that was the only reason that

0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:57.959
<v Speaker 2>I would consider picking up. And I look back, and

0:19:58.000 --> 0:19:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I do wish I picked up, because now I have

0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.240
<v Speaker 2>the perspective of, like, I dare you to call me.

0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:07.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm so angry, like truly, and I've had to process

0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:11.760
<v Speaker 2>so much of that anger, mourn the fact that those

0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:13.720
<v Speaker 2>things were there and they're definitely gone.

0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:18.919
<v Speaker 1>Now that sucks because you believe that he was really

0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:21.359
<v Speaker 1>just intentionally trying to just hurt you.

0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he kept those things from me. The last

0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:30.200
<v Speaker 2>time I spoke to him was probably, you know, right

0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.680
<v Speaker 2>before the incident that happened with my mom, and I

0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:36.280
<v Speaker 2>asked him I had a new boyfriend, and he was like,

0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:39.399
<v Speaker 2>I want to meet him, And I said, when you

0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.520
<v Speaker 2>give me my things back, like he was still holding

0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:44.800
<v Speaker 2>them against me. I mean this was right before the

0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:48.080
<v Speaker 2>incident with my mom, the home invasion.

0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:00.800
<v Speaker 1>You still kind of spoke to him or try to

0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:03.160
<v Speaker 1>keep a relationship with him after the divorce.

0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:07.360
<v Speaker 2>I knew that he was begging to have a relationship

0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:12.000
<v Speaker 2>with me, and he was manipulating me. Yeah, I look back,

0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:15.359
<v Speaker 2>it was just pure manipulation and I felt so torn

0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:18.119
<v Speaker 2>on what to do. But I knew that he was

0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:21.600
<v Speaker 2>not a good man, and I knew he wasn't good

0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:24.520
<v Speaker 2>by my mom. You know, we had a feeling that

0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:27.520
<v Speaker 2>he had, you know, done some terrible things, but we

0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't have proof of it, and he put me in

0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:33.399
<v Speaker 2>a very terrible position for a very long time.

0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Done going into when the character letters were being written,

0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:39.600
<v Speaker 1>was that during trial.

0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:44.240
<v Speaker 2>No, there were character witness letters submitted to the judge

0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:49.480
<v Speaker 2>on behalf of Tommy to help kind of persuade the

0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:54.000
<v Speaker 2>judges of NYA of his character. There was, Yeah, there

0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:59.439
<v Speaker 2>was like tens of character letters from mayors, New Jersey

0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:05.720
<v Speaker 2>police officers, my family members, my mom's friends. Like I mentioned,

0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:09.120
<v Speaker 2>Dolores wrote one. I mean they're not friends anymore, but

0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:12.280
<v Speaker 2>they were like best friends. Me and Gabby were best

0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:14.840
<v Speaker 2>friends growing up. My mom, Dolores, your mom, They're all

0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:18.440
<v Speaker 2>were very close. So it's like layers of pain for sure,

0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:21.920
<v Speaker 2>to feel like people had his back in such a

0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:26.359
<v Speaker 2>formal way too, to do that. Yeah, But also, you know,

0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:28.120
<v Speaker 2>the facts are the facts.

0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Seeing what he was capable of and what actually happened

0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:37.680
<v Speaker 1>and the outcome of his actions should have just solidified

0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:42.560
<v Speaker 1>all the answers. So he must have had a very

0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:48.680
<v Speaker 1>persuasive way of treating people, or some sort of power

0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:49.640
<v Speaker 1>over people.

0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:54.720
<v Speaker 1>The fact that you know, people of authority were even

0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:57.120
<v Speaker 1>writing character witness letters for him.

0:22:57.160 --> 0:23:00.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that was their truth if they felt like

0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:02.679
<v Speaker 2>they would write a letter. I don't think he like

0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:06.720
<v Speaker 2>was making anybody do anything. It's when people really believed.

0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:08.879
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people believe differently now that

0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:13.000
<v Speaker 2>there's a guilty verdict, there's still certainly a lot of

0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:15.600
<v Speaker 2>people that believe in him and believe he's innocent. I

0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:20.840
<v Speaker 2>just think the whole thing is just so interesting, yeah, honestly.

0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:24.320
<v Speaker 1>And I mean the whole thing also impacted your family

0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:28.920
<v Speaker 1>so heavily. I mean, I remember your mom and Dave

0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:32.399
<v Speaker 1>came for Audrianna's communion. It was that whole day was

0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 1>weird because they obviously wanted to be there so badly

0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:39.960
<v Speaker 1>for Audriana. And you know, Dina is the best god

0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:43.760
<v Speaker 1>mom ever. She still texts Audriana and you know, just

0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:46.199
<v Speaker 1>loves her the little gifts that she always sent her

0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:49.280
<v Speaker 1>when she was little. But it was out of pure

0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:52.560
<v Speaker 1>fear of coming back to New Jersey after leaving Tommy,

0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, even for Audrianna's communion, and your mom really

0:23:57.560 --> 0:24:00.560
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to come, and the fact that she came

0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:04.160
<v Speaker 1>was a big step and we all knew that, and

0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:08.520
<v Speaker 1>your mom and Dave basically stayed with us all day

0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:09.520
<v Speaker 1>and all night.

0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:11.720
<v Speaker 2>They came back to my house.

0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, some of my family members, friends, We

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:18.440
<v Speaker 1>were all just hanging out pretty late. But then they

0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:21.200
<v Speaker 1>had a head down south a little bit. They had

0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:22.080
<v Speaker 1>like an hour drive.

0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:24.320
<v Speaker 2>The next day, it was Mother's Day and they were

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:26.359
<v Speaker 2>coming into the city. It's when I was living in

0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:28.680
<v Speaker 2>the city and they were supposed to come see me

0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:29.720
<v Speaker 2>for Mother's Day.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, it was weird, and it was almost

0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 1>like they wanted to stay with us as long as

0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:38.080
<v Speaker 1>possible to kind of protect them in a way, you know,

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:41.119
<v Speaker 1>just feel safe. I know when I'm around people, I

0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:44.040
<v Speaker 1>feel safer. I just like being in the company of people.

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:49.000
<v Speaker 1>You also have a million sisters, I know, no, I know,

0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:52.600
<v Speaker 1>I just I hate being alone. But it was almost

0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:55.680
<v Speaker 1>like they really did. Obviously they were probably enjoying the day.

0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 1>We were having a great time, but they really stayed late,

0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:02.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, until they had to go home, and it

0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:04.879
<v Speaker 1>was like, we get that call. I remember my mom

0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:07.480
<v Speaker 1>was like hysterically crying on the floor, like she was

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:11.159
<v Speaker 1>like so upset. And it was weird because I remember

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:13.560
<v Speaker 1>even Dave saying he had such an expensive watch on.

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:17.119
<v Speaker 1>They didn't take his watch. They didn't take anything. They

0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:20.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't take any of their belongings. The only thing they

0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 1>took was your mom's beautiful engagement ring that she was

0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:26.080
<v Speaker 1>literally showing me that day. It was the moon and

0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:29.840
<v Speaker 1>the star, right, and she was so happy about it

0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 1>because you know, she's so into the holistic approach and spiritual.

0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:36.560
<v Speaker 2>It was a beautiful ring and he puts so much

0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:37.360
<v Speaker 2>effort into it.

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:40.720
<v Speaker 1>And I remember that was the only thing they took.

0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:45.119
<v Speaker 1>So it was a crime with intent. Yeah, it was

0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 1>went in there to get something, So it wasn't like, oh, Okay,

0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:53.920
<v Speaker 1>we're going to rob them because we know they have this,

0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:56.440
<v Speaker 1>this and that, and we're trying to make a quick buck.

0:25:56.920 --> 0:25:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Like no, they went for the ring, and they left

0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:03.879
<v Speaker 1>anybody else hearing that. How could you think any differently?

0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Your whole article about don't poke the bear, it really

0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:13.119
<v Speaker 1>is true, you are the bear, and that whole thing

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:16.439
<v Speaker 1>was just such a moving message if you want to,

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:18.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, explain to people how you are the bear

0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 1>and how it's just fear.

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I lived in fear for so long, and I was

0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:27.000
<v Speaker 2>silenced by my fear by upsetting anyone in my family,

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:31.359
<v Speaker 2>by angering him and provoking him to do something, and

0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 2>lived in that fear until really recently, once I sat

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:38.920
<v Speaker 2>in the courtroom and I understood that I was the bear.

0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 2>He was the one, you know, about to go away

0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:44.800
<v Speaker 2>for the things he did. My family were the ones

0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:48.040
<v Speaker 2>that were embarrassed by the things that they did, And

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 2>why should I fear them? They should fear me. I mean,

0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:53.600
<v Speaker 2>the things that I've come out and I've said in

0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 2>that letter, like things i've said today in the podcast.

0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:58.600
<v Speaker 2>They might feel like big things to say, but I

0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:02.159
<v Speaker 2>could go on for what I could say about all

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:05.200
<v Speaker 2>these people, and I still don't you still like to have.

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Respect ultimately though, you're just speaking your truth, and you're

0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:16.280
<v Speaker 1>also speaking about your belongings exactly. You weren't asking them

0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:21.160
<v Speaker 1>to do anything astronomical. You were simply asking them, can

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:24.119
<v Speaker 1>you please help me get my things back? And that

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 1>was the only time that you ever contacted them.

0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:30.800
<v Speaker 2>In years and so long. There's just layers to the pain.

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 2>I didn't even want to get into the betrayal that

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:36.119
<v Speaker 2>I had dealt with from them. I just said, this

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:38.760
<v Speaker 2>is a way for us to repair what's so broken.

0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:42.159
<v Speaker 2>If you can show me that you love me and

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:45.800
<v Speaker 2>help me with something that's breaking me that I know

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:50.360
<v Speaker 2>that you can help me with, then we can repair

0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:55.399
<v Speaker 2>something like that was kind of the perspective, like, I

0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:57.639
<v Speaker 2>don't think my mom and her sister can never repair

0:27:57.760 --> 0:28:01.680
<v Speaker 2>what's broken. It's too far gone. But why can't the cousins.

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:04.920
<v Speaker 2>I would love to know them and know their children

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:07.639
<v Speaker 2>and be in their lives like that. It pains me,

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:12.119
<v Speaker 2>But the reality is like from my eyes, they failed me,

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 2>and they failed me again.

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:16.680
<v Speaker 1>And this is when you really needed them.

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Listen.

0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 1>So much turmoil can pass and so much hurt could

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 1>be done, but the fact that you went back to

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 1>them and asked for one thing after they already caused

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.840
<v Speaker 1>all this pain and after all these on my.

0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Knees begging for help. No, literally, I'm in California. I

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 2>need somebody that can go to that door, knock on

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:40.640
<v Speaker 2>the door, call the right person, ask for help. Like

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 2>I know, the things are there, and it's a ticking

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 2>time bomb until they're not. Because now he's in prison,

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:50.040
<v Speaker 2>other people are in charge of what's going on in

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 2>that house.

0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:51.760
<v Speaker 1>And I was right.

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 2>Weeks went by, weeks, weeks, weeks, weeks, weeks, weeks, No,

0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 2>nothing of importance was done. No.

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:07.520
<v Speaker 1>So then I mean, at that point, what other choice

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 1>do they leave you to feel?

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I also I just stopped hearing from them.

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like they just didn't even care all along. They

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 1>wanted to show you maybe that they cared a little

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 1>bit by telling you that there was a garage sale.

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it was just so much back and forth.

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I was talking to them every day for hours a day,

0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:32.479
<v Speaker 2>and I had some really awesome conversations with my cousin.

0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:36.120
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I love her, I really do. She's

0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 2>the closest thing I'll ever have in this lifetime to

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:41.360
<v Speaker 2>his sister. And I think it kills both of us

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:46.400
<v Speaker 2>that we don't have each other anymore. But it just

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 2>it just can't like there's too much pain. Now I'm

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 2>even in more pain.

0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 1>So very similar to my mom and her brother and

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 1>my cousins, how you are with aside from the situation

0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:03.160
<v Speaker 1>with Tommy, the forming of distance from your family. We

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 1>discussed it, you know. It's the jealousy, the hurt, the competition,

0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:11.560
<v Speaker 1>the money, everything that falls into play. But because this

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:15.880
<v Speaker 1>show really sometimes could create such a toxic and turmoil

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 1>environment for families, it's really hard for the cousins to

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 1>stay close.

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 2>It's unfair.

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 1>It's so unfair when your parents are at war with

0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 1>each other. Quite honestly, it's so hard to bring the

0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:35.440
<v Speaker 1>kids together. I really think a lot of it has

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:39.680
<v Speaker 1>to do with the show, because you know, my parents

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 1>aren't together, but we still.

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Are so close.

0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:46.400
<v Speaker 1>With my dad's side, I'm close with every single one

0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:50.640
<v Speaker 1>of my cousins. Everything is how it should be. That's

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 1>even though my parents aren't together. We never let it

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 1>affect But I guess it's kind of you got to

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:00.200
<v Speaker 1>give it to the adults a little bit too, for

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 1>allowing you know, the children to be together.

0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:06.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, always let me have an open door to

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:08.840
<v Speaker 2>my cousins, and she wanted me to have a relationship

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:11.600
<v Speaker 2>to them. You know, I'm sure my aunt Caroline wanted

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:13.720
<v Speaker 2>them to have a relationship with me too, But it's

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 2>just like the politics of it all. At the end,

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 2>it's just my mom and I. I don't have siblings.

0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:23.959
<v Speaker 2>She's been in these relationships that have been difficult, and

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 2>it's always just been me and her. She had me

0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 2>really young, and at the end of the day, like

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 2>I will always stand behind her no matter what. Yeah,

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 2>and it's hard for me to watch her be in

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 2>so much pain. It's really hard.

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:39.880
<v Speaker 1>I guess you're right, you know, it really is the

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 1>politics of it all, because it is difficult. Every situation

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 1>is different, but ours is very similar in that aspect.

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 1>And I mean, I don't know my mom always you know,

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 1>we've reached out to my cousins, were quite for years,

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:57.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, always wishing them a happy birthday and things

0:31:57.640 --> 0:32:02.000
<v Speaker 1>like that, but you know, we stop receiving that in return,

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:07.320
<v Speaker 1>so then it's almost like why continue if you're not

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:10.720
<v Speaker 1>receiving the same thing in return, and then it kind

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 1>of fades out.

0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 2>It's sad, exactly. Yeah, I'm at peace with those relationships.

0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:18.240
<v Speaker 2>When I think about it doesn't make me sad. Yeah,

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:20.960
<v Speaker 2>but I've made peace with that a long time ago.

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:27.360
<v Speaker 2>But it's the betrayal sometimes it just makes me really angry. Yeah.

0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 1>We're also taught at a very young age famili's everything

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 1>you do, everything for your family. You know, you're as

0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 1>thick as thief. Literally, you know all the lines that

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 1>they would say back in the day, and it's where

0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:44.960
<v Speaker 1>did all that go? It's so funny how it all

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:54.480
<v Speaker 1>just honestly goes out the door ultimately. Literally, Bye, you

0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 1>went to NYU, did you not? I went to Fordham

0:32:57.600 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 1>and then your experience when you got into college is

0:32:59.680 --> 0:32:59.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot.

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I found myself. I needed to live in New

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 2>York and be alone. And that's when my mom met

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Dave and she was going off and doing, you know,

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:10.600
<v Speaker 2>finding her own happiness. I was finding mine.

0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:13.760
<v Speaker 1>And I'm so happy your mama is Dave. Yeah, he's

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:17.240
<v Speaker 1>so great, and she found her happiness. I feel she's

0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:19.680
<v Speaker 1>so happy where she is. I feel like she's just

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 1>so at peace.

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I can't imagine her anywhere else.

0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I feel like her in herself is out.

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Even everything that she posts I'm like, I need this ze.

0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 2>She in my life. So funny too. She has no

0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:34.000
<v Speaker 2>idea how funny she is, but she's so funny.

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:37.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I feel like always she's always just been

0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 1>so funny.

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's a character.

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm so happy for her. She's thriving where she is.

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:47.960
<v Speaker 2>She has a community that's aligned with what she loves,

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:50.920
<v Speaker 2>and I love where she lives. We're close enough to

0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:53.320
<v Speaker 2>each other that you know, we can see each other,

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:56.200
<v Speaker 2>but we're not up each other's We were always way

0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 2>too codependent, so it was good to kind of break

0:33:59.400 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 2>apart from it.

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 1>I remember she would call you twenty four seven, you guys, but.

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:08.279
<v Speaker 2>Again it was always you guys, exactly so, and she

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:11.560
<v Speaker 2>watching me go through trying to get these things back,

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 2>she was like, Lexi, I I healed from this a

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:16.319
<v Speaker 2>long time ago. I accepted my things were gone a

0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:21.040
<v Speaker 2>long time ago. But now watching you go through it,

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 2>it's such an insane experience for her because I'm basically

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:28.319
<v Speaker 2>reliving what she dealt with ten years ago. But I

0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 2>was just too young to understand like the levels to

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 2>it all. And she said to me, and it was

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:37.440
<v Speaker 2>like so meaningful that she said this. She said The

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 2>most healing thing that I've ever done is watch you

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 2>stand into your power, like when I wrote that letter

0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:46.799
<v Speaker 2>and when I started just speaking out on my.

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Truth and what made you really get to this point?

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:50.480
<v Speaker 2>And was it?

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 1>I guess you know, once you knew he was really gone,

0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that your closure in a way.

0:34:56.960 --> 0:35:00.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sitting and watching that trial, seeing him, you know,

0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:03.839
<v Speaker 2>stand there, and I sat in on everything all like

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:09.239
<v Speaker 2>the zoom hearings, everything those public no victims could sit

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:12.880
<v Speaker 2>into them, and I sat into everything I saw. I

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 2>saw everything just so I could kind of understand, like

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:21.719
<v Speaker 2>this is reality. And then I think I kind of

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:25.959
<v Speaker 2>just realized, like what am I afraid of? It still

0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 2>feels uncomfortable, Like I feel uncomfortable talking about the situation

0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:32.359
<v Speaker 2>I had with Caroline and Lauren recently. But why it's

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 2>like my truth, it's my experience, Like, Okay, they're gonna

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:39.920
<v Speaker 2>get upset, it's.

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Also your life and you've been hurt by this time exactly.

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:47.800
<v Speaker 2>I've been upset and nobody called me for years, for years,

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 2>even after the trial, the truth of everything. Nobody called me. Yeah,

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:54.439
<v Speaker 2>see that's crazy, I called them.

0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:57.239
<v Speaker 1>I feel like if I were to hear something so

0:35:57.400 --> 0:36:03.040
<v Speaker 1>devastating that involved, you know, my cousin's parents, but obviously

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:06.759
<v Speaker 1>I knew they were hurting my cousins. I would at

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:10.640
<v Speaker 1>least reach out to my cousins. Yeah, because the the

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.560
<v Speaker 1>kids don't have anything to do with this. This wasn't

0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:16.279
<v Speaker 1>your fault, this wasn't your doing, but you had to

0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 1>deal with the repercussion.

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:21.080
<v Speaker 2>She was just caught in the crossfire of all of it. Also,

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:24.480
<v Speaker 2>like the chaos of what happened with Tommy and the obsession,

0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Like I had to deal with all that on my own.

0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Like nobody in my family ever extended any comfort to me,

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:35.479
<v Speaker 2>and they all knew the things that were coming to light,

0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:38.440
<v Speaker 2>and they all were still around him. I had family

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:40.080
<v Speaker 2>members that still worked for him.

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Said Cookie right, and don't poke the bear. Cookie was

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:48.640
<v Speaker 1>just Cookie right. She never married her her kids.

0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:51.279
<v Speaker 2>She's remarried, and she I have a cousin, but you

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:54.520
<v Speaker 2>guys were very close. Yeah, she lived with us for

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:57.560
<v Speaker 2>a while. Yeah, she was like second mother to me.

0:36:57.680 --> 0:36:59.839
<v Speaker 1>For sure, and she never reached out either.

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:05.080
<v Speaker 2>Listen, people meet you where they're at. And I've had

0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:09.920
<v Speaker 2>to accept that people might have not showed up for

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:11.920
<v Speaker 2>me in the ways that I needed to because they

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 2>simply didn't have the tools and they couldn't and they

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:18.759
<v Speaker 2>have their own things that they need to deal with

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 2>and come to terms with. And I think everybody just

0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:24.279
<v Speaker 2>met me where they were at.

0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I think also maybe it was embarrassment.

0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:32.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it was. It's for them to

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:35.359
<v Speaker 2>all figure out. Yeah, I gave up a long time

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:37.959
<v Speaker 2>trying to understand why people did the things they did.

0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:40.600
<v Speaker 1>And you know, at that point, though, it's almost like

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:42.359
<v Speaker 1>they made their bed and now they have to lay

0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 1>in it. Maybe, you know, as you said, Caroline regrets

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 1>writing the character like sure, she told me, Yeah, I'm sure,

0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:54.880
<v Speaker 1>but you did it exactly. Everybody has to go to

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:56.360
<v Speaker 1>sleep in their own bed at the end of the

0:37:56.440 --> 0:38:05.240
<v Speaker 1>night that they made. So that's that's their life.

0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Overall.

0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:10.600
<v Speaker 1>You guys have all come such a long way, and

0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm so happy that you're finally at peace and you

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:17.120
<v Speaker 1>finally have found happiness, because you really are glowing. You

0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:22.399
<v Speaker 1>look so happy, and I feel like this is your

0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:26.320
<v Speaker 1>way of kind of just releasing everything that you've been feeling.

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:29.560
<v Speaker 1>You've been silent for so long, and I feel like

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:35.000
<v Speaker 1>a big part of why I've been there, you've been

0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:40.200
<v Speaker 1>there restricting ourselves from speaking out while we're younger, and

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:44.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, waiting until we're in our adulthood is because

0:38:44.360 --> 0:38:47.400
<v Speaker 1>we're so nervous for what the public is going to

0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 1>say about us. And your mom was really only on

0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Housewives for three years, but she made her mark. She

0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:57.680
<v Speaker 1>still talked about your family drama is still talked about.

0:38:57.719 --> 0:38:58.200
<v Speaker 2>And it's so.

0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Crazy because you know, the twins and Amber, we're on

0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 1>for a hot minute and nobody talks about them. But

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 1>your mom really left her mark, So we are still

0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:16.000
<v Speaker 1>viewed as children to the public eye.

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh for sure. I still get messages all the time.

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:21.440
<v Speaker 2>I got one today. I still think about your candy drawer.

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:23.720
<v Speaker 2>I think about when you went to Greece. You guys,

0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:27.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't think about that. What do you think about it?

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 2>It was so long ago, but I know. I also

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:32.120
<v Speaker 2>think when you're on reality television, people feel like they

0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 2>really know you, even if they don't. And part of

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:38.600
<v Speaker 2>what I think makes my mom so memorable on television.

0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Obviously I think she's the best person ever, but it

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 2>was real relationships, Like our moms were best friends since

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:48.880
<v Speaker 2>they were teenagers working at the makeup counter at Macy's.

0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Like you can't fake that kind of dynamic. No.

0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 1>I think that's why we also restrained ourselves from speaking

0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:59.400
<v Speaker 1>out while we were younger and waiting until we were adults.

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean I really never spoke out to my family, Yeah,

0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:07.880
<v Speaker 1>until I was eighteen on the show.

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Did you get a lot of heat for that?

0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Yeah, even though I waited until I

0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 1>was eighteen, And you know, it just came to the

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:19.840
<v Speaker 1>point where I couldn't take it. You know, like I

0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 1>would be sitting there watching scenarios play out, and I

0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:30.439
<v Speaker 1>would think to myself, you're lying. This is not how

0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 1>it happened. That is not what you did for us.

0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:36.959
<v Speaker 2>This is all a lie.

0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:42.240
<v Speaker 1>And also it's like you're guess lighting everyone to thinking

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:46.600
<v Speaker 1>that you were this amazing person, but you weren't.

0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Well good for you, And speaking.

0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Of there were certain points where I where I did

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:59.840
<v Speaker 1>and I got called disrespectful. I have no respect of course.

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:03.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, everything that you could think of the way

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:09.960
<v Speaker 1>you talk to your uncle is shameful everything. But it's

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:13.640
<v Speaker 1>really difficult when it's your life and it's your family

0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 1>and you have so much anger and.

0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:21.319
<v Speaker 2>You feel suffocated. Yes, like I feel suffocated for so long.

0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:24.960
<v Speaker 1>That is the perfect word, because you're trying to release

0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 1>your truth. But then by doing that, Yes, okay, did

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:34.279
<v Speaker 1>I act irrational or maybe raise my voice or lose

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:38.760
<v Speaker 1>my temper for a second, Yes, but I was frustrated,

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:40.799
<v Speaker 1>I felt suffocated.

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:45.160
<v Speaker 2>You know. It was a lot.

0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:48.759
<v Speaker 1>And then hearing you say the same thing. You know,

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:52.720
<v Speaker 1>even now you're twenty nine, and I bet the public's

0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:54.399
<v Speaker 1>still going to say something about you for.

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:57.319
<v Speaker 2>Speaking think you're pretty black and white after that character letter,

0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 2>I have to say, yeah, I really don't get much

0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:05.400
<v Speaker 2>of any backlash about speaking up. Yeah, anything I'm saying

0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 2>is very clear. I try to stay like emotionally detached

0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:13.479
<v Speaker 2>from the reality of things, which is why I sat

0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:16.680
<v Speaker 2>in that courtroom and understood the facts, and why I

0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:20.200
<v Speaker 2>called everybody on the phone when everybody was so uncomfortable.

0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:26.359
<v Speaker 2>It's just like, these are the facts. Yeah, you know.

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Did you go to therapy after all of this?

0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:33.319
<v Speaker 2>I recently spoke to a grief counselor and he told

0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:39.520
<v Speaker 2>me that I was emotionally constipated. He was like, there's

0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:41.479
<v Speaker 2>all these little things that make up your grief, whether

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 2>it's like anger or embarrassment or you know, whatever it

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 2>may be. And he's like, you have to break down

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:49.759
<v Speaker 2>all these things into the root of them, of why

0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:53.760
<v Speaker 2>you feel these things, and then you won't be constipated anymore.

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:55.200
<v Speaker 2>So I feel like every day I get a little

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:56.399
<v Speaker 2>bit less constipated.

0:42:57.200 --> 0:42:58.200
<v Speaker 1>I want to feel that.

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 2>You just got to break it down, I know.

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:04.799
<v Speaker 1>So then what is your relationship status?

0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:08.160
<v Speaker 2>Now? I have a boyfriend. I heard he's really nice.

0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:13.919
<v Speaker 2>He's so lovely. I'm so grateful for him. Honestly, he's amazing. Yeah,

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:14.440
<v Speaker 2>I love her.

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:16.319
<v Speaker 1>And did you meet him in La?

0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:21.120
<v Speaker 2>No? I met him in Mexico on vacation. Oh my god. Yeah.

0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:23.600
<v Speaker 2>I was there for a birthday, my friend's birthday, and

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:25.840
<v Speaker 2>he was at the table next to meet a bachelor

0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:29.800
<v Speaker 2>party and yeah, the rest is history.

0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:33.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh I love that. Where is he about? Is he

0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:35.320
<v Speaker 1>in California.

0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:38.120
<v Speaker 2>Area, Texas? So we did long distance the last year

0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:40.600
<v Speaker 2>and then he's moving to La next week. He's moving

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:40.960
<v Speaker 2>in with me.

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Lexi, that's so great.

0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh I feel so old. You know a boyfriend too? Right?

0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:47.560
<v Speaker 2>For a while?

0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for a while. I've been with him for six years.

0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:51.600
<v Speaker 2>You guys live together?

0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Not Yeah, I mean I'm still I'm still young.

0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:56.600
<v Speaker 2>But no, I love that time.

0:43:57.480 --> 0:44:02.320
<v Speaker 1>I think we're gonna we're really like discussing it now,

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:05.319
<v Speaker 1>so I want to say, probably with the next year,

0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:10.359
<v Speaker 1>talk to me about how it was after college and

0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:13.759
<v Speaker 1>you creating your own brand, and tell us about it

0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:18.279
<v Speaker 1>because I am obsessed with it. I love everything on

0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:23.240
<v Speaker 1>your site and I'm going to be investing in vintage suites.

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I just I kind of found my

0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:29.480
<v Speaker 2>way there very naturally, and I started selling vintage over

0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:33.000
<v Speaker 2>covid on Instagram and I started getting all these amazing

0:44:33.080 --> 0:44:37.880
<v Speaker 2>clients and people love vintage, so coming back, it's.

0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:43.319
<v Speaker 1>Everything that we used to have, you know, everything is.

0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:46.800
<v Speaker 2>So I've been doing the vintage thing for the last

0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:49.200
<v Speaker 2>two or three years. I've had so much success. I

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:53.239
<v Speaker 2>love it. It'll always be so foundational to what I do.

0:44:53.440 --> 0:44:56.160
<v Speaker 2>But now I'm trying to move into creating my own shoes.

0:44:56.239 --> 0:44:58.480
<v Speaker 2>So I'm coming out with my own shoe next month,

0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:02.240
<v Speaker 2>which I I'm so excited for. It's like my ultimate,

0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:06.759
<v Speaker 2>biggest dream coming true. My mom still can't even believe it.

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:10.600
<v Speaker 2>She's like, oh my God, Like we're gonna love them. Yeah,

0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know her, she's the craziest shoes. Yeah,

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:18.120
<v Speaker 2>and it's just so funny. I don't know if you

0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:21.160
<v Speaker 2>find this, but I used to resist my mom so much,

0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:22.960
<v Speaker 2>like I wanted to be the opposite of her.

0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:25.799
<v Speaker 1>And I remember herning to her, I feel like you

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:27.680
<v Speaker 1>were a tomboy.

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah growing up?

0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:31.719
<v Speaker 1>Boy, when at least at least when you were like

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:33.000
<v Speaker 1>little like twelve.

0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I was such a tomboy. And then I

0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:40.000
<v Speaker 2>wanted to study like forensic psychology, so I did, and

0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:43.640
<v Speaker 2>my mom was like, uh, why do you want to

0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 2>talk to serial killers? Like that's what I wanted to do.

0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:48.520
<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to go so far away from everything

0:45:48.560 --> 0:45:51.799
<v Speaker 2>that was New Jersey and my identity there, and then

0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:56.800
<v Speaker 2>I slowly have made myself right back. I'm literally my mom,

0:45:57.239 --> 0:46:00.759
<v Speaker 2>Like we collect and hord the same things, Like we

0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:03.120
<v Speaker 2>literally are the same person. I don't know how I

0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:05.200
<v Speaker 2>got here, but I'm here. Do you feel like you're

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:05.640
<v Speaker 2>your mom?

0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:10.040
<v Speaker 1>It's funny because her and I are very similar but

0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:13.000
<v Speaker 1>also very different and the way that we think, you know,

0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:17.120
<v Speaker 1>I am still I think the more rational one. I

0:46:17.160 --> 0:46:20.680
<v Speaker 1>think she's a little more irrational than I am. But

0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:25.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, I kind of come to a middle ground,

0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:27.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, I try to bring everyone back to a

0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:30.600
<v Speaker 1>middle ground, and but I am like her in a

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:35.000
<v Speaker 1>way of you know, I take, I take, I take,

0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:38.839
<v Speaker 1>I take, and then I explode. So in the assects

0:46:38.840 --> 0:46:41.840
<v Speaker 1>of like our temper, I would say we're the same.

0:46:42.400 --> 0:46:44.759
<v Speaker 2>But it's so funny. I can't imagine that from you.

0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I it's only when I take, I take, I take.

0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, it takes me a while to get annoyed,

0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:54.600
<v Speaker 1>but then when I get annoyed, I snap. I think

0:46:54.600 --> 0:47:00.400
<v Speaker 1>it's a Jersey thing on that Jersey Italian temper. Like,

0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:03.520
<v Speaker 1>And it was also just okay back then. Now, like

0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:06.080
<v Speaker 1>if you like had a fight with your homegirl on

0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:08.879
<v Speaker 1>the street, like it is what it was, it wasn't

0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:11.440
<v Speaker 1>a big deal. No cops were being called, and like

0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:16.720
<v Speaker 1>you could take it outside. Now it's just everything's taken

0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:19.400
<v Speaker 1>to a whole nother extreme where you really do need

0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:24.320
<v Speaker 1>to reserve yourself and not be like that control exactly

0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:25.200
<v Speaker 1>self control.

0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Our generation has more of it, for sure. Definitely we're

0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:31.800
<v Speaker 2>just mirrors of our moms in different ways. It's so interesting.

0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Would you ever put your family or kids on reality TV?

0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:40.680
<v Speaker 2>No? Would you?

0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:43.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that's kind of where I'm going.

0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, well, you know what you're doing at least.

0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, this is where like I would differ. I think,

0:47:54.000 --> 0:47:56.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, because I just my show is premiering.

0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:59.400
<v Speaker 2>On Jerry exciting next Jed, and why I still wait

0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:01.279
<v Speaker 2>to watch it? Yeah, thank you.

0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:05.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited, more so just because I'm actually getting

0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:06.960
<v Speaker 1>away from my family drama.

0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm making your own drama.

0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, exactly. But you know a lot of people

0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:19.719
<v Speaker 1>ask me this, but I I feel like doing this

0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:23.600
<v Speaker 1>on my own. I'm stepping into my own I'm creating

0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:28.960
<v Speaker 1>my own vision path, you know, identity for myself. That

0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:31.719
<v Speaker 1>this is what I want everybody to actually see, the

0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:34.960
<v Speaker 1>person that I want everyone to get to know that.

0:48:36.560 --> 0:48:39.520
<v Speaker 2>I I really am excited for it.

0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:44.960
<v Speaker 1>And you know, Housewives, I was never excited for it because,

0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:47.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, once I got older and to where to

0:48:47.719 --> 0:48:50.640
<v Speaker 1>the point where I really got to understand everything it

0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:54.960
<v Speaker 1>was always just negative and about my family and about

0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:58.839
<v Speaker 1>my personal life that it honestly came to the point

0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:01.960
<v Speaker 1>where it was really an knowing to even discuss anymore

0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:07.879
<v Speaker 1>so going onto this show, nobody gives that my mom

0:49:07.920 --> 0:49:09.960
<v Speaker 1>and uncle don't talk like.

0:49:10.400 --> 0:49:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Is theres a lot of drama on this show.

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:15.759
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, you don't have to wait and see. But it's

0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:22.440
<v Speaker 1>not like too much. But it's also not like toxic

0:49:22.520 --> 0:49:25.760
<v Speaker 1>in any way. It's like playful, normal friend drama.

0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:28.759
<v Speaker 2>It's so amazing seeing you step into your own and like,

0:49:29.520 --> 0:49:34.359
<v Speaker 2>it's still crazy to me that a woman what you do.

0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:38.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're by like completely established now doing what

0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:41.759
<v Speaker 1>you love. Found your passion, which you know that's all

0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:44.400
<v Speaker 1>you can hope because it really does take people so

0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:45.520
<v Speaker 1>long to find that too.

0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:48.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel very lucky. Yeah, I really do.

0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:50.560
<v Speaker 1>And what did you do after college?

0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Book? So you like, we lived to California, which is

0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:56.080
<v Speaker 2>the best thing I've ever done. Do you love it

0:49:56.120 --> 0:49:58.720
<v Speaker 2>out there? I really do? Yeah.

0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Do you ever go back and watch The Real Housewives

0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:06.120
<v Speaker 1>at all? From like the early days?

0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:09.600
<v Speaker 2>No? No. When I knew I was gonna be with

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<v Speaker 2>my boyfriend, I was like, Okay, I have to show

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<v Speaker 2>you something. He doesn't care about that stuff at all,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was like, I just want to be the

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<v Speaker 2>person that shows you what I used to look like

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<v Speaker 2>and act like that was such an embarrassment.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you weren't my god, you were nerdy.

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<v Speaker 2>The things that I said and did, I just yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I showed him recently and then I went back on

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<v Speaker 2>the footage to also look at the footage of my

0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:35.239
<v Speaker 2>mom's closet and was looking at all the shoes that

0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:36.920
<v Speaker 2>she had. It kills me that I don't have them.

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<v Speaker 2>But I collect so many of the shoes that she had,

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<v Speaker 2>like subconsciously, like through doing vintage. It's like those shoes

0:50:45.239 --> 0:50:47.359
<v Speaker 2>are somewhere in my subconscious and then I like buy

0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:49.440
<v Speaker 2>them and she's like I had those. I'm like, what,

0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:52.680
<v Speaker 2>it's crazy, It's so.

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<v Speaker 1>Crazy real if you had that shoe collection.

0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:59.040
<v Speaker 2>Wow, the things I would do were the same size too.

0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:00.680
<v Speaker 2>It's like really a sin.

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<v Speaker 1>And you obviously none of the shoes ever.

0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:06.680
<v Speaker 2>No, nothing ever, nothing everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, thank God your mom, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>found happiness and everything is replaceable.

0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Very lucky, We're very blessed. It's the irreplaceable things, though,

0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:19.319
<v Speaker 2>that keep her an eye up at night, like the

0:51:19.440 --> 0:51:21.520
<v Speaker 2>nightgown that she gave birth to me, and that my

0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:22.840
<v Speaker 2>grandma gave birth to her in.

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<v Speaker 1>Like what all the baby photos? None, but they were

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<v Speaker 1>all in that house.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my mom used to scrap book my entire life.

0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:35.800
<v Speaker 2>It was all in that house.

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<v Speaker 1>See, Like that's so weird to me that he would

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<v Speaker 1>want to keep shit like that, like I just I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>My aunt that works at the Brownstone around the time

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<v Speaker 2>that Tommy went away overheard somebody saying that somebody's pictures

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<v Speaker 2>were in the garbage at the Brownstone, and she went

0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:55.800
<v Speaker 2>and it was like two boxes of my baby pictures

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<v Speaker 2>that I guess were being kept at the Brownstone in storage,

0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:04.800
<v Speaker 2>and so so kindly they pulled it out of the

0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:06.960
<v Speaker 2>garbage for me and they gave it to my dad.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's all I have. It's about like a box

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<v Speaker 2>and a half of photos from you know, like two

0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:17.000
<v Speaker 2>years old and before. It's all I have. I just

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<v Speaker 2>went through them this weekend. Actually it was so emotional

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<v Speaker 2>for me because I'm like, this is I'm so grateful

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<v Speaker 2>to have these, but somebody threw this in the garbage.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like and from the bike from the room, so beatful,

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<v Speaker 1>just crazy, and.

0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:32.680
<v Speaker 2>I was supposed to kiss everyone's ascid. They went in

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<v Speaker 2>the garbage and took it out for me, like as

0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:38.840
<v Speaker 2>you should. I would do that for a stranger. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the least you could have my mom's wedding dress

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<v Speaker 2>in there too, So I got that, which I'm so

0:52:44.160 --> 0:52:46.920
<v Speaker 2>excited about. So I want to like change it into something.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, yea, yeah that was in the box.

0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it was my mom's wedding dress. It was

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<v Speaker 2>there was a scrap book in there of my mom's childhood.

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<v Speaker 2>We had no idea that was going to be in there,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were so happy and like my christening and

0:53:00.960 --> 0:53:01.640
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>If you had to come up with a housewife tagline,

0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:06.360
<v Speaker 1>what would yours be?

0:53:08.120 --> 0:53:10.359
<v Speaker 2>What was my mom's? If you think I'm a bring

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't that hers? No, so much would be like,

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<v Speaker 2>I am a bring it.

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<v Speaker 1>On, wait, I love that. My favorite line that she

0:53:22.560 --> 0:53:25.040
<v Speaker 1>ever said was with like the whole Danielle stop thing,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to skin me and wear me? Like yeah,

0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:33.399
<v Speaker 1>my favorite line, like how she came up with that,

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<v Speaker 1>nod knows.

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<v Speaker 2>My high school yearbook quote was either love me or

0:53:38.880 --> 0:53:40.440
<v Speaker 2>hate me. There's no in between with me, which is

0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:46.640
<v Speaker 2>daniel stop school. She was so angry about it. I'm like,

0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:47.280
<v Speaker 2>it's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I was literally gonna sageway.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds so.

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<v Speaker 1>Mine would be you think you've raised me on reality TV,

0:53:56.640 --> 0:53:58.240
<v Speaker 1>but I'm writing my own script.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's very artful. That was poetic.

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<v Speaker 1>Took some thought.

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<v Speaker 2>You own your own vintage, brand new.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to ask you some questions and I want

0:54:09.640 --> 0:54:12.320
<v Speaker 1>you to give some styling tips to the girls. Okay,

0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:17.799
<v Speaker 1>all right, which celeb closet would you love to steal.

0:54:17.480 --> 0:54:19.600
<v Speaker 2>From the Alsen Twins? Obviously?

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<v Speaker 1>What's one trend that you refuse to try?

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<v Speaker 2>I said this recently too. I don't I don't understand

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<v Speaker 2>the whole butter yellow thing. Everyone's wearing butter yellow, butter yellow,

0:54:29.400 --> 0:54:31.640
<v Speaker 2>and it, like, I don't know, it draws out my skin.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it's like we're gonna look back and

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<v Speaker 2>be like, why were we wearing butter yellow?

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<v Speaker 1>LA or New York Fashion?

0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh, New York for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>If you had only twenty minutes to get ready, what's

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<v Speaker 1>your go to look?

0:54:43.640 --> 0:54:49.399
<v Speaker 2>Jean's a T shirt, vintage pair of heels, Go to brands.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not really a brand whore, Honestly, I'm not really

0:54:52.719 --> 0:54:55.359
<v Speaker 2>big into like designer handbags and that kind of thing.

0:54:55.480 --> 0:55:00.120
<v Speaker 2>I love Luava, but now J. W Anderson's leaving, so

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it'll be the same.

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<v Speaker 1>And Chanel, if you could only buy one designer bag,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you.

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<v Speaker 2>Picking lay the little pouch bag?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Lexi, this was such an amazing episode, and thank

0:55:15.400 --> 0:55:18.120
<v Speaker 1>you so much for being so open and sharing your story.

0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:19.279
<v Speaker 2>It is so nice to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you feel good and I hope this made

0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:23.800
<v Speaker 1>you feel like you're really speaking to your truth.

0:55:23.920 --> 0:55:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I'm so proud of you. I love you.

0:55:25.840 --> 0:55:30.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm so proud of you. I love you.