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Speaker 1: Hey guys, Welcome back to another episode of Casual Chaos.

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Speaker 2: This week.

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Speaker 1: I have a guest that some of you might recognize

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Speaker 1: from the early days of The Real House Ives in

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Speaker 1: New Jersey, LEXI you wan to welcome to Casual Chaos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so nice to see you.

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Speaker 1: It's so nice to see you. I'm like so giddy

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: No, it's been so long. I can't even pinpoint how

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Speaker 2: long it's been.

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Speaker 1: I know, I mean, we'll dive into all of it,

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Speaker 1: but I was really trying to remember when the last

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Speaker 1: time was. And I don't even know if you were

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Speaker 1: at Audrianna's communion.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't, so then I really don't know. I don't

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Speaker 2: know either.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my last memories were, you know, obviously running

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Speaker 1: around the brown Stone, Jacqueline's house, Caroline's house, your mom's house,

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Speaker 1: obviously your old house, running through your mom's closet, just yeah,

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Speaker 1: little things like this, yes, and then walking in and

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Speaker 1: animals everywhere there the little chihuahua what was what was

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Speaker 1: his name?

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Speaker 2: Crazy? The one with other arms?

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Speaker 1: Oh crazy, Yes, that was your mom's baby. But I

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Speaker 1: have random memories of all of this stuff. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know when the last time was I really don't.

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Speaker 2: Loveably ten years ago, which is so crazy because it

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Speaker 2: doesn't feel like that.

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Speaker 1: I've been back and forth to California. I've seen your

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Speaker 1: mom and Dave, but I've just never seen you.

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Speaker 2: The timing has always been always off. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, now you're in New York. How does it feel

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Speaker 1: coming back to Jersey? Do you ever get anxiety about it?

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Speaker 2: I get so much anxiety about it. I really try

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Speaker 2: to avoid it at all costs, honestly. But I was

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Speaker 2: just there to see my dad and my whole Greek's

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Speaker 2: out of the family.

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Speaker 1: How is your relationship with your dad now?

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Speaker 2: He's the best dad? Yeah? He's always been the best dad,

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Speaker 2: the most consistent and normal and all of the chaos

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Speaker 2: of how we were raised, my dad was like my

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Speaker 2: normal sounding boy. So he's great.

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Speaker 1: Because when we were younger, did your dad not want

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Speaker 1: you to doing the show?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I have random memories. This is where it's coming back

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Speaker 1: to me. But I'm having such random memories of everything

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Speaker 1: from when we were little.

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Speaker 2: You were so little. But the first season, I don't

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Speaker 2: think anybody knew what it was going to be or

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Speaker 2: what we were getting ourselves into. And once it kind

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Speaker 2: of came out and it was as big as it was.

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Speaker 2: My dad was like, and my mom, we need to

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Speaker 2: pull Lexi out of this because I was just struggling

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Speaker 2: so much in school. I was twelve when the first

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Speaker 2: season aired, and I was so nerdy, so unfortunate looking.

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Speaker 2: It was like in the ultimate you know, awkward phase.

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Speaker 2: And it's like aired on national television, which luckily you

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Speaker 2: were able to see it coming because you were like

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Speaker 2: so little. Very few people can say that they went

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Speaker 2: through what we did with their awkward faces being displayed

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Speaker 2: for the whole time, you know, world to have an

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Speaker 2: opinion on it.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely a crazy experience. But I remember you didn't

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Speaker 1: have an easy time in school. No, I had to

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Speaker 1: leave my school.

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Speaker 2: It was this whole thing. I was basically like tortured

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Speaker 2: over it. Like it wasn't regarded as a cool thing.

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Speaker 2: It isolated me. Did you feel that way too? Honestly?

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Speaker 1: And I feel like this stereotype kind of lives in

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Speaker 1: Jersey a little bit about the different counties for sure,

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Speaker 1: But in Morris County we look at Bergen County as, oh,

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Speaker 1: these are where the rich kids live. You know, everyone's

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Speaker 1: got it together in this County. And that's just how

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Speaker 1: people in Morris County see it. Not that the people

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Speaker 1: in Morris County. You know, people obviously have money in

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Speaker 1: Morris County, but people don't view that county as that definitely,

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Speaker 1: so yes, a status thing, one hundred percent. You know, Oh,

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Speaker 1: there's nice houses in Bergen County, really nice areas.

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Speaker 2: Stuff like that in Lakes has such a connotation to

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Speaker 2: it now too.

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Speaker 1: I remember they would go get their hair done at

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Speaker 1: the Cocoa Chateau.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, chateau. That's where it all started.

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Speaker 1: That's where it all started. When I was growing up,

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Speaker 1: I might have had I think one person really stuck

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Speaker 1: with bullying me. I guess you could say it was bullying,

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Speaker 1: but just kind of comments throughout the years. When I

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Speaker 1: the same person that constantly tortured me, and I.

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Speaker 2: Was like, what is wrong she? Now, I would love

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Speaker 2: to know it was a guy. What is a boy?

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Speaker 2: I'm so unexpected right, Usually the girls are the mean

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Speaker 1: But I have to say I was fortunate enough that

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Speaker 1: people really didn't bother me in Moville. They really didn't.

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Speaker 1: And even when I got to Rutgers. It was more

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Speaker 1: so fans coming up to me, and so I really

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Speaker 1: didn't receive the hate.

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Speaker 2: I think it was a timing thing. I went into

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Speaker 2: it at that age, like you were so little when

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Speaker 2: it became something cool. But in the beginning, there were

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Speaker 2: so many women in New Jersey that were so envious

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Speaker 2: of our moms and wish that they got that attention

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Speaker 2: and that opportunity. It was just a perfect storm of

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Speaker 2: bad timing and that's why my mom left.

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Speaker 1: So she left right after season two, and she, I

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Speaker 1: think felt like this wasn't for her when it was happening,

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Speaker 1: and as much as she had my mom stick up

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Speaker 1: for her, literally filip a table for her, I think

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Speaker 1: it was just very overwhelming. But I think there was

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Speaker 1: also so many other components to it too. You know,

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Speaker 1: it was affecting you a lot, but then I think

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Speaker 1: it was also getting in the way of her relationship

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Speaker 1: with Caroline and Jacqueline created such a mess, such a mess.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like everything that is transpired to present

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Speaker 1: day Do you feel like if the show was never

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Speaker 1: a thing, that everything would have happened.

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Speaker 2: You know, family dynamics are complicated. You understand that too.

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Speaker 2: The personalities are so different. I think it's a shame

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Speaker 2: because we had such a large and amazing family, and

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Speaker 2: for my grandparents, I wish that they got to see unity.

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Speaker 2: We are so different. Yeah, we're just so different. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I really don't see a lot of common ground between

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Speaker 1: Your mom also came back season six, Yes, for one year.

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Speaker 2: The only reason she went back is because her family

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Speaker 2: left and she was going through the divorce. I was

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Speaker 2: about to go to college, and she's like, this is

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Speaker 2: a job. Do you want to go to college? It

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Speaker 2: doesn't pay for itself. We got to do it, and

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Speaker 2: I was totally open to it at that point. That

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Speaker 2: season was so boring.

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Speaker 1: You know, that was the worst season in Jersey Sty

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Speaker 1: So boring. Yeah, no, that one was bad, But you

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Speaker 1: know what, the season was boring because everyone kind of

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Speaker 2: One cared about it exactly.

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Speaker 1: So they wanted you know, your mom to be fighting

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Speaker 1: with Caroline and Jacqueline. They wanted my mom and her

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Speaker 2: That's what they want want to decided to have boundaries

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Speaker 1: Year, I know why, I think was normal, Literally everything

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Speaker 1: was normal for a hot seck. I mean, you were

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Speaker 1: I'll be Lauren, Chris and I mean they were the

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Speaker 1: ones that were closest to age with you. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: lived with them, if you remember, my mom and I

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Speaker 1: lived with Caroline when my parents got divorced. They were

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Speaker 1: basically my siblings.

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Speaker 2: I'm an only child. Yeah, so it was definitely a

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Speaker 2: massive loss to lose those relationships, and the crossfire of

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Speaker 2: what happened with our moms hard.

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Speaker 1: They initially stopped talking. Was it when your mom and

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Speaker 1: Tommy got divorced? Oh no, No, it was way before,

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Speaker 1: way before, and then I truly can't even tie it

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Speaker 1: down to one reason. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The show creates a lot of chaos, yeah, especially with

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Speaker 2: family dynamics and money and fame, and it can kind

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Speaker 2: of have the ability to bring out the worst in

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Speaker 2: some people sometimes too.

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Speaker 1: It does, especially like you said, when there's money involved.

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Speaker 1: As sad as it is, it's a competition exactly so,

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Speaker 1: because there's a show involved and then the money's involved,

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Speaker 1: essentially competing against your family members to try to get

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Speaker 1: to the top. It shouldn't be like that, and as

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Speaker 1: a family, build an empire, grow as a family together,

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Speaker 1: create a unit. I always, you know, wish that for

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Speaker 1: my mom as well. I said to her, if your

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Speaker 1: want what you had so badly and just asked you, hi, Tree,

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Speaker 1: I think I want to join the show, my mom

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Speaker 1: would have said, all right, Joey, let's do this together.

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Speaker 1: We'll build this empire as a family, make our parents proud,

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Speaker 1: and show America what an Italian family really is exactly.

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Speaker 2: But it's the most national job, like in the entire world.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to just look at it as that as

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Speaker 2: an opportunity, as a job. It's like all these emotions

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Speaker 2: get involved. Yeah, my mom fell out with hers during

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Speaker 2: that second season. I'm pretty sure that's when it really

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you were young when my mom flipped the table.

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Speaker 1: I remember you had you were still young, You're still little,

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Speaker 1: so you were living with them when you were little.

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Speaker 2: I was living with them from ages like four to seven.

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Speaker 1: So that's why you were saying they were like, really

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Speaker 1: did raise you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Lauren was there when I shaved my

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Speaker 2: legs for the first time. She dropped me off at

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Speaker 2: a boy's house for the first time for my first kiss.

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Speaker 2: You know, all being Christopher, where my brother is my

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't talk to any of them at all.

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Speaker 2: I reefed out to them after Tommy went to jail

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Speaker 2: because I was looking for help getting my things back

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Speaker 2: I had an understanding that he kept everything of mine

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Speaker 2: all those years, so I wanted it back. It was

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Speaker 2: really difficult for me to extend myself and to ask

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Speaker 2: for help, but I was that desperate, Like I just

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Speaker 2: wanted them.

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Speaker 1: You wanted your heirlooms back, You wanted the things that

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Speaker 1: like you said when I've read your entry, when you

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Speaker 1: don't poke the bear, I almost started crying just because

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Speaker 1: it brought back just so many memories, and it also

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Speaker 1: just brought back how I remember our moms on the

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Speaker 1: phone just saying my closet's there, I have everything's there.

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Speaker 1: He literally left me with nothing, and reading your entry

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Speaker 1: and saying how you even had thirty minutes to get

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Speaker 1: your things? That was no right to you. No, this

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Speaker 1: wasn't your fault that they were separating. It was almost

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Speaker 1: like a dominance thing, like get out of my house,

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Speaker 1: but you're left with nothing to make you feel so

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Speaker 1: alone and helpless in a way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he held on to my things for

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Speaker 2: you know, ten years and used them as a collateral. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because he had this also, this like weird obsession with

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Speaker 2: I heard some of your things are there. I was like, well,

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Speaker 2: Lauren and Caroline went, one of my mom's friends went.

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Speaker 2: I like to think they care. They're my family, but

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Speaker 1: And I feel like, you know, our parents can only

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Speaker 1: it until they do it to us. Yeah, we have

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Speaker 2: And I called her when she was having this sale

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Speaker 2: I lost my mind. I've lost my mind. Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, as you should again, you know, I

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Speaker 2: Everything's gone, just all of that. Everything. Yeah, that would

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Speaker 1: That would have killed me, you know, to like one

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Speaker 2: Kept it with so much intention. To have something to

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Speaker 2: I'm so angry, like truly, and I've had to process

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Speaker 2: I mean, he kept those things from me. The last

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Speaker 2: I knew that he was begging to have a relationship

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Speaker 2: didn't have proof of it, and he put me in

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Speaker 1: Done going into when the character letters were being written,

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Speaker 1: was that during trial.

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Speaker 2: No, there were character witness letters submitted to the judge

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Speaker 2: on behalf of Tommy to help kind of persuade the

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Speaker 2: was like tens of character letters from mayors, New Jersey

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Speaker 2: Dolores wrote one. I mean they're not friends anymore, but

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Speaker 2: they were like best friends. Me and Gabby were best

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Speaker 2: to feel like people had his back in such a

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Speaker 1: Seeing what he was capable of and what actually happened

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The fact that you know, people of authority were even

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that was their truth if they felt like

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people believe differently now that

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Speaker 1: And I mean the whole thing also impacted your family

440
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 1: so heavily. I mean, I remember your mom and Dave

441
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: came for Audrianna's communion. It was that whole day was

442
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: weird because they obviously wanted to be there so badly

443
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: for Audriana. And you know, Dina is the best god

444
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: mom ever. She still texts Audriana and you know, just

445
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 1: loves her the little gifts that she always sent her

446
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: when she was little. But it was out of pure

447
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: fear of coming back to New Jersey after leaving Tommy,

448
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: I mean, even for Audrianna's communion, and your mom really

449
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: didn't want to come, and the fact that she came

450
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 1: was a big step and we all knew that, and

451
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: your mom and Dave basically stayed with us all day

452
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: and all night.

453
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: They came back to my house.

454
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: Like you know, some of my family members, friends, We

455
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: were all just hanging out pretty late. But then they

456
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: had a head down south a little bit. They had

457
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: like an hour drive.

458
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: The next day, it was Mother's Day and they were

459
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 2: coming into the city. It's when I was living in

460
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 2: the city and they were supposed to come see me

461
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: for Mother's Day.

462
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: It was like, it was weird, and it was almost

463
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: like they wanted to stay with us as long as

464
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: possible to kind of protect them in a way, you know,

465
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: just feel safe. I know when I'm around people, I

466
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: feel safer. I just like being in the company of people.

467
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: You also have a million sisters, I know, no, I know,

468
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: I just I hate being alone. But it was almost

469
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: like they really did. Obviously they were probably enjoying the day.

470
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: We were having a great time, but they really stayed late,

471
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: you know, until they had to go home, and it

472
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: was like, we get that call. I remember my mom

473
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: was like hysterically crying on the floor, like she was

474
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: like so upset. And it was weird because I remember

475
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: even Dave saying he had such an expensive watch on.

476
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: They didn't take his watch. They didn't take anything. They

477
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: didn't take any of their belongings. The only thing they

478
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: took was your mom's beautiful engagement ring that she was

479
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: literally showing me that day. It was the moon and

480
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: the star, right, and she was so happy about it

481
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: because you know, she's so into the holistic approach and spiritual.

482
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: It was a beautiful ring and he puts so much

483
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 2: effort into it.

484
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: And I remember that was the only thing they took.

485
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: So it was a crime with intent. Yeah, it was

486
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: went in there to get something, So it wasn't like, oh, Okay,

487
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: we're going to rob them because we know they have this,

488
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: this and that, and we're trying to make a quick buck.

489
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: Like no, they went for the ring, and they left

490
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: anybody else hearing that. How could you think any differently?

491
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: Your whole article about don't poke the bear, it really

492
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: is true, you are the bear, and that whole thing

493
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: was just such a moving message if you want to,

494
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, explain to people how you are the bear

495
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: and how it's just fear.

496
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: I lived in fear for so long, and I was

497
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 2: silenced by my fear by upsetting anyone in my family,

498
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: by angering him and provoking him to do something, and

499
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: lived in that fear until really recently, once I sat

500
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 2: in the courtroom and I understood that I was the bear.

501
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: He was the one, you know, about to go away

502
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: for the things he did. My family were the ones

503
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: that were embarrassed by the things that they did, And

504
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: why should I fear them? They should fear me. I mean,

505
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: the things that I've come out and I've said in

506
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: that letter, like things i've said today in the podcast.

507
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: They might feel like big things to say, but I

508
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 2: could go on for what I could say about all

509
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 2: these people, and I still don't you still like to have.

510
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: Respect ultimately though, you're just speaking your truth, and you're

511
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: also speaking about your belongings exactly. You weren't asking them

512
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: to do anything astronomical. You were simply asking them, can

513
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: you please help me get my things back? And that

514
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: was the only time that you ever contacted them.

515
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: In years and so long. There's just layers to the pain.

516
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: I didn't even want to get into the betrayal that

517
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: I had dealt with from them. I just said, this

518
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: is a way for us to repair what's so broken.

519
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 2: If you can show me that you love me and

520
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: help me with something that's breaking me that I know

521
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 2: that you can help me with, then we can repair

522
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 2: something like that was kind of the perspective, like, I

523
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 2: don't think my mom and her sister can never repair

524
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 2: what's broken. It's too far gone. But why can't the cousins.

525
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: I would love to know them and know their children

526
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 2: and be in their lives like that. It pains me,

527
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 2: But the reality is like from my eyes, they failed me,

528
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: and they failed me again.

529
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: And this is when you really needed them.

530
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: Listen.

531
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: So much turmoil can pass and so much hurt could

532
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: be done, but the fact that you went back to

533
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: them and asked for one thing after they already caused

534
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: all this pain and after all these on my.

535
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: Knees begging for help. No, literally, I'm in California. I

536
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: need somebody that can go to that door, knock on

537
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: the door, call the right person, ask for help. Like

538
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: I know, the things are there, and it's a ticking

539
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: time bomb until they're not. Because now he's in prison,

540
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: other people are in charge of what's going on in

541
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: that house.

542
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: And I was right.

543
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: Weeks went by, weeks, weeks, weeks, weeks, weeks, weeks, No,

544
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: nothing of importance was done. No.

545
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: So then I mean, at that point, what other choice

546
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: do they leave you to feel?

547
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? I also I just stopped hearing from them.

548
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: It's like they just didn't even care all along. They

549
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: wanted to show you maybe that they cared a little

550
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: bit by telling you that there was a garage sale.

551
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was just so much back and forth.

552
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: I was talking to them every day for hours a day,

553
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,479
Speaker 2: and I had some really awesome conversations with my cousin.

554
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: And you know, I love her, I really do. She's

555
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: the closest thing I'll ever have in this lifetime to

556
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: his sister. And I think it kills both of us

557
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: that we don't have each other anymore. But it just

558
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: it just can't like there's too much pain. Now I'm

559
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: even in more pain.

560
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: So very similar to my mom and her brother and

561
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: my cousins, how you are with aside from the situation

562
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: with Tommy, the forming of distance from your family. We

563
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: discussed it, you know. It's the jealousy, the hurt, the competition,

564
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: the money, everything that falls into play. But because this

565
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: show really sometimes could create such a toxic and turmoil

566
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: environment for families, it's really hard for the cousins to

567
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: stay close.

568
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: It's unfair.

569
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: It's so unfair when your parents are at war with

570
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: each other. Quite honestly, it's so hard to bring the

571
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: kids together. I really think a lot of it has

572
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: to do with the show, because you know, my parents

573
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: aren't together, but we still.

574
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: Are so close.

575
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: With my dad's side, I'm close with every single one

576
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: of my cousins. Everything is how it should be. That's

577
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: even though my parents aren't together. We never let it

578
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: affect But I guess it's kind of you got to

579
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: give it to the adults a little bit too, for

580
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: allowing you know, the children to be together.

581
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: You know, always let me have an open door to

582
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: my cousins, and she wanted me to have a relationship

583
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: to them. You know, I'm sure my aunt Caroline wanted

584
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: them to have a relationship with me too, But it's

585
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: just like the politics of it all. At the end,

586
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: it's just my mom and I. I don't have siblings.

587
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 2: She's been in these relationships that have been difficult, and

588
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: it's always just been me and her. She had me

589
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: really young, and at the end of the day, like

590
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: I will always stand behind her no matter what. Yeah,

591
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: and it's hard for me to watch her be in

592
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: so much pain. It's really hard.

593
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: I guess you're right, you know, it really is the

594
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: politics of it all, because it is difficult. Every situation

595
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: is different, but ours is very similar in that aspect.

596
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: And I mean, I don't know my mom always you know,

597
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: we've reached out to my cousins, were quite for years,

598
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, always wishing them a happy birthday and things

599
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: like that, but you know, we stop receiving that in return,

600
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: so then it's almost like why continue if you're not

601
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: receiving the same thing in return, and then it kind

602
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: of fades out.

603
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: It's sad, exactly. Yeah, I'm at peace with those relationships.

604
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: When I think about it doesn't make me sad. Yeah,

605
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 2: but I've made peace with that a long time ago.

606
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: But it's the betrayal sometimes it just makes me really angry. Yeah.

607
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: We're also taught at a very young age famili's everything

608
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: you do, everything for your family. You know, you're as

609
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: thick as thief. Literally, you know all the lines that

610
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: they would say back in the day, and it's where

611
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: did all that go? It's so funny how it all

612
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: just honestly goes out the door ultimately. Literally, Bye, you

613
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: went to NYU, did you not? I went to Fordham

614
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: and then your experience when you got into college is

615
00:32:59,680 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: a lot.

616
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I found myself. I needed to live in New

617
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: York and be alone. And that's when my mom met

618
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: Dave and she was going off and doing, you know,

619
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: finding her own happiness. I was finding mine.

620
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: And I'm so happy your mama is Dave. Yeah, he's

621
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: so great, and she found her happiness. I feel she's

622
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: so happy where she is. I feel like she's just

623
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: so at peace.

624
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't imagine her anywhere else.

625
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like her in herself is out.

626
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: Even everything that she posts I'm like, I need this ze.

627
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: She in my life. So funny too. She has no

628
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: idea how funny she is, but she's so funny.

629
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like always she's always just been

630
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: so funny.

631
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a character.

632
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: Now.

633
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: I'm so happy for her. She's thriving where she is.

634
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: She has a community that's aligned with what she loves,

635
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: and I love where she lives. We're close enough to

636
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: each other that you know, we can see each other,

637
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: but we're not up each other's We were always way

638
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: too codependent, so it was good to kind of break

639
00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: apart from it.

640
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: I remember she would call you twenty four seven, you guys, but.

641
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: Again it was always you guys, exactly so, and she

642
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: watching me go through trying to get these things back,

643
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: she was like, Lexi, I I healed from this a

644
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 2: long time ago. I accepted my things were gone a

645
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: long time ago. But now watching you go through it,

646
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: it's such an insane experience for her because I'm basically

647
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 2: reliving what she dealt with ten years ago. But I

648
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: was just too young to understand like the levels to

649
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: it all. And she said to me, and it was

650
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: like so meaningful that she said this. She said The

651
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: most healing thing that I've ever done is watch you

652
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: stand into your power, like when I wrote that letter

653
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: and when I started just speaking out on my.

654
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: Truth and what made you really get to this point?

655
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: And was it?

656
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: I guess you know, once you knew he was really gone,

657
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure that your closure in a way.

658
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, sitting and watching that trial, seeing him, you know,

659
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 2: stand there, and I sat in on everything all like

660
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: the zoom hearings, everything those public no victims could sit

661
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 2: into them, and I sat into everything I saw. I

662
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: saw everything just so I could kind of understand, like

663
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 2: this is reality. And then I think I kind of

664
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,959
Speaker 2: just realized, like what am I afraid of? It still

665
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: feels uncomfortable, Like I feel uncomfortable talking about the situation

666
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 2: I had with Caroline and Lauren recently. But why it's

667
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: like my truth, it's my experience, Like, Okay, they're gonna

668
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: get upset, it's.

669
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: Also your life and you've been hurt by this time exactly.

670
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 2: I've been upset and nobody called me for years, for years,

671
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: even after the trial, the truth of everything. Nobody called me. Yeah,

672
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 2: see that's crazy, I called them.

673
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: I feel like if I were to hear something so

674
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: devastating that involved, you know, my cousin's parents, but obviously

675
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: I knew they were hurting my cousins. I would at

676
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: least reach out to my cousins. Yeah, because the the

677
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: kids don't have anything to do with this. This wasn't

678
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: your fault, this wasn't your doing, but you had to

679
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: deal with the repercussion.

680
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: She was just caught in the crossfire of all of it. Also,

681
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: like the chaos of what happened with Tommy and the obsession,

682
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: Like I had to deal with all that on my own.

683
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: Like nobody in my family ever extended any comfort to me,

684
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,479
Speaker 2: and they all knew the things that were coming to light,

685
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: and they all were still around him. I had family

686
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: members that still worked for him.

687
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: Said Cookie right, and don't poke the bear. Cookie was

688
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: just Cookie right. She never married her her kids.

689
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: She's remarried, and she I have a cousin, but you

690
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: guys were very close. Yeah, she lived with us for

691
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: a while. Yeah, she was like second mother to me.

692
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: For sure, and she never reached out either.

693
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: Listen, people meet you where they're at. And I've had

694
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: to accept that people might have not showed up for

695
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: me in the ways that I needed to because they

696
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: simply didn't have the tools and they couldn't and they

697
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: have their own things that they need to deal with

698
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: and come to terms with. And I think everybody just

699
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: met me where they were at.

700
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think also maybe it was embarrassment.

701
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was. It's for them to

702
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 2: all figure out. Yeah, I gave up a long time

703
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 2: trying to understand why people did the things they did.

704
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: And you know, at that point, though, it's almost like

705
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: they made their bed and now they have to lay

706
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: in it. Maybe, you know, as you said, Caroline regrets

707
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: writing the character like sure, she told me, Yeah, I'm sure,

708
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: but you did it exactly. Everybody has to go to

709
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: sleep in their own bed at the end of the

710
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: night that they made. So that's that's their life.

711
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: Overall.

712
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: You guys have all come such a long way, and

713
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that you're finally at peace and you

714
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: finally have found happiness, because you really are glowing. You

715
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: look so happy, and I feel like this is your

716
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: way of kind of just releasing everything that you've been feeling.

717
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: You've been silent for so long, and I feel like

718
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: a big part of why I've been there, you've been

719
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: there restricting ourselves from speaking out while we're younger, and

720
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: you know, waiting until we're in our adulthood is because

721
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: we're so nervous for what the public is going to

722
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: say about us. And your mom was really only on

723
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: Housewives for three years, but she made her mark. She

724
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: still talked about your family drama is still talked about.

725
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: And it's so.

726
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: Crazy because you know, the twins and Amber, we're on

727
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: for a hot minute and nobody talks about them. But

728
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: your mom really left her mark, So we are still

729
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: viewed as children to the public eye.

730
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. I still get messages all the time.

731
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 2: I got one today. I still think about your candy drawer.

732
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 2: I think about when you went to Greece. You guys,

733
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 2: I don't think about that. What do you think about it?

734
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: It was so long ago, but I know. I also

735
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: think when you're on reality television, people feel like they

736
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: really know you, even if they don't. And part of

737
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: what I think makes my mom so memorable on television.

738
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: Obviously I think she's the best person ever, but it

739
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: was real relationships, Like our moms were best friends since

740
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: they were teenagers working at the makeup counter at Macy's.

741
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: Like you can't fake that kind of dynamic. No.

742
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: I think that's why we also restrained ourselves from speaking

743
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: out while we were younger and waiting until we were adults.

744
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: I mean I really never spoke out to my family, Yeah,

745
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: until I was eighteen on the show.

746
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: Did you get a lot of heat for that?

747
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah, even though I waited until I

748
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: was eighteen, And you know, it just came to the

749
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: point where I couldn't take it. You know, like I

750
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: would be sitting there watching scenarios play out, and I

751
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 1: would think to myself, you're lying. This is not how

752
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: it happened. That is not what you did for us.

753
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,959
Speaker 2: This is all a lie.

754
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 1: And also it's like you're guess lighting everyone to thinking

755
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: that you were this amazing person, but you weren't.

756
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: Well good for you, And speaking.

757
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: Of there were certain points where I where I did

758
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: and I got called disrespectful. I have no respect of course.

759
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: You know, everything that you could think of the way

760
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: you talk to your uncle is shameful everything. But it's

761
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: really difficult when it's your life and it's your family

762
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: and you have so much anger and.

763
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 2: You feel suffocated. Yes, like I feel suffocated for so long.

764
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: That is the perfect word, because you're trying to release

765
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: your truth. But then by doing that, Yes, okay, did

766
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: I act irrational or maybe raise my voice or lose

767
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: my temper for a second, Yes, but I was frustrated,

768
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: I felt suffocated.

769
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: You know. It was a lot.

770
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: And then hearing you say the same thing. You know,

771
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: even now you're twenty nine, and I bet the public's

772
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: still going to say something about you for.

773
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: Speaking think you're pretty black and white after that character letter,

774
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: I have to say, yeah, I really don't get much

775
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: of any backlash about speaking up. Yeah, anything I'm saying

776
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: is very clear. I try to stay like emotionally detached

777
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,479
Speaker 2: from the reality of things, which is why I sat

778
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: in that courtroom and understood the facts, and why I

779
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: called everybody on the phone when everybody was so uncomfortable.

780
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 2: It's just like, these are the facts. Yeah, you know.

781
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: Did you go to therapy after all of this?

782
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: I recently spoke to a grief counselor and he told

783
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: me that I was emotionally constipated. He was like, there's

784
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,479
Speaker 2: all these little things that make up your grief, whether

785
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: it's like anger or embarrassment or you know, whatever it

786
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: may be. And he's like, you have to break down

787
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 2: all these things into the root of them, of why

788
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 2: you feel these things, and then you won't be constipated anymore.

789
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: So I feel like every day I get a little

790
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 2: bit less constipated.

791
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: I want to feel that.

792
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: You just got to break it down, I know.

793
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: So then what is your relationship status?

794
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: Now? I have a boyfriend. I heard he's really nice.

795
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 2: He's so lovely. I'm so grateful for him. Honestly, he's amazing. Yeah,

796
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: I love her.

797
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: And did you meet him in La?

798
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: No? I met him in Mexico on vacation. Oh my god. Yeah.

799
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: I was there for a birthday, my friend's birthday, and

800
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 2: he was at the table next to meet a bachelor

801
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 2: party and yeah, the rest is history.

802
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: Oh I love that. Where is he about? Is he

803
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: in California.

804
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: Area, Texas? So we did long distance the last year

805
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: and then he's moving to La next week. He's moving

806
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: in with me.

807
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Lexi, that's so great.

808
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: Oh I feel so old. You know a boyfriend too? Right?

809
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: For a while?

810
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, for a while. I've been with him for six years.

811
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: You guys live together?

812
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: Not Yeah, I mean I'm still I'm still young.

813
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: But no, I love that time.

814
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna we're really like discussing it now,

815
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: so I want to say, probably with the next year,

816
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: talk to me about how it was after college and

817
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: you creating your own brand, and tell us about it

818
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: because I am obsessed with it. I love everything on

819
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 1: your site and I'm going to be investing in vintage suites.

820
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: Thank you.

821
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I just I kind of found my

822
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: way there very naturally, and I started selling vintage over

823
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: covid on Instagram and I started getting all these amazing

824
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: clients and people love vintage, so coming back, it's.

825
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: Everything that we used to have, you know, everything is.

826
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 2: So I've been doing the vintage thing for the last

827
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: two or three years. I've had so much success. I

828
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: love it. It'll always be so foundational to what I do.

829
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: But now I'm trying to move into creating my own shoes.

830
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: So I'm coming out with my own shoe next month,

831
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 2: which I I'm so excited for. It's like my ultimate,

832
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: biggest dream coming true. My mom still can't even believe it.

833
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: She's like, oh my God, Like we're gonna love them. Yeah,

834
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: I mean, you know her, she's the craziest shoes. Yeah,

835
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: and it's just so funny. I don't know if you

836
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: find this, but I used to resist my mom so much,

837
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: like I wanted to be the opposite of her.

838
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: And I remember herning to her, I feel like you

839
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: were a tomboy.

840
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah growing up?

841
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: Boy, when at least at least when you were like

842
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: little like twelve.

843
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was such a tomboy. And then I

844
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: wanted to study like forensic psychology, so I did, and

845
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: my mom was like, uh, why do you want to

846
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: talk to serial killers? Like that's what I wanted to do.

847
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: I just wanted to go so far away from everything

848
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: that was New Jersey and my identity there, and then

849
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 2: I slowly have made myself right back. I'm literally my mom,

850
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: Like we collect and hord the same things, Like we

851
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: literally are the same person. I don't know how I

852
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: got here, but I'm here. Do you feel like you're

853
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: your mom?

854
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: It's funny because her and I are very similar but

855
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: also very different and the way that we think, you know,

856
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: I am still I think the more rational one. I

857
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: think she's a little more irrational than I am. But

858
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of come to a middle ground,

859
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, I try to bring everyone back to a

860
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: middle ground, and but I am like her in a

861
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: way of you know, I take, I take, I take,

862
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: I take, and then I explode. So in the assects

863
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: of like our temper, I would say we're the same.

864
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: But it's so funny. I can't imagine that from you.

865
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: I it's only when I take, I take, I take.

866
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: You know, it takes me a while to get annoyed,

867
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: but then when I get annoyed, I snap. I think

868
00:46:54,600 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: it's a Jersey thing on that Jersey Italian temper. Like,

869
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: And it was also just okay back then. Now, like

870
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: if you like had a fight with your homegirl on

871
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: the street, like it is what it was, it wasn't

872
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: a big deal. No cops were being called, and like

873
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 1: you could take it outside. Now it's just everything's taken

874
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: to a whole nother extreme where you really do need

875
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: to reserve yourself and not be like that control exactly

876
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: self control.

877
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: Our generation has more of it, for sure. Definitely we're

878
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 2: just mirrors of our moms in different ways. It's so interesting.

879
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: Would you ever put your family or kids on reality TV?

880
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: No? Would you?

881
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of where I'm going.

882
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, you know what you're doing at least.

883
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, this is where like I would differ. I think,

884
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, because I just my show is premiering.

885
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: On Jerry exciting next Jed, and why I still wait

886
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 2: to watch it? Yeah, thank you.

887
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: I'm so excited, more so just because I'm actually getting

888
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: away from my family drama.

889
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 2: I'm making your own drama.

890
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly. But you know a lot of people

891
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: ask me this, but I I feel like doing this

892
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: on my own. I'm stepping into my own I'm creating

893
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: my own vision path, you know, identity for myself. That

894
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: this is what I want everybody to actually see, the

895
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: person that I want everyone to get to know that.

896
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: I I really am excited for it.

897
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: And you know, Housewives, I was never excited for it because,

898
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, once I got older and to where to

899
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: the point where I really got to understand everything it

900
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: was always just negative and about my family and about

901
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: my personal life that it honestly came to the point

902
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: where it was really an knowing to even discuss anymore

903
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: so going onto this show, nobody gives that my mom

904
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: and uncle don't talk like.

905
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 2: Is theres a lot of drama on this show.

906
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: Honestly, you don't have to wait and see. But it's

907
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: not like too much. But it's also not like toxic

908
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 1: in any way. It's like playful, normal friend drama.

909
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: It's so amazing seeing you step into your own and like,

910
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 2: it's still crazy to me that a woman what you do.

911
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: I mean, you're by like completely established now doing what

912
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: you love. Found your passion, which you know that's all

913
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: you can hope because it really does take people so

914
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: long to find that too.

915
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel very lucky. Yeah, I really do.

916
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: And what did you do after college?

917
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: Book? So you like, we lived to California, which is

918
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: the best thing I've ever done. Do you love it

919
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 2: out there? I really do? Yeah.

920
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: Do you ever go back and watch The Real Housewives

921
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: at all? From like the early days?

922
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: No? No. When I knew I was gonna be with

923
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 2: my boyfriend, I was like, Okay, I have to show

924
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 2: you something. He doesn't care about that stuff at all,

925
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 2: but I was like, I just want to be the

926
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 2: person that shows you what I used to look like

927
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 2: and act like that was such an embarrassment.

928
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: Oh you weren't my god, you were nerdy.

929
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: The things that I said and did, I just yeah,

930
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 2: I showed him recently and then I went back on

931
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 2: the footage to also look at the footage of my

932
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 2: mom's closet and was looking at all the shoes that

933
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: she had. It kills me that I don't have them.

934
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 2: But I collect so many of the shoes that she had,

935
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: like subconsciously, like through doing vintage. It's like those shoes

936
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 2: are somewhere in my subconscious and then I like buy

937
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: them and she's like I had those. I'm like, what,

938
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: it's crazy, It's so.

939
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: Crazy real if you had that shoe collection.

940
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: Wow, the things I would do were the same size too.

941
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 2: It's like really a sin.

942
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: And you obviously none of the shoes ever.

943
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: No, nothing ever, nothing everything.

944
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, thank God your mom, you know,

945
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: found happiness and everything is replaceable.

946
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: Very lucky, We're very blessed. It's the irreplaceable things, though,

947
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: that keep her an eye up at night, like the

948
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: nightgown that she gave birth to me, and that my

949
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 2: grandma gave birth to her in.

950
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: Like what all the baby photos? None, but they were

951
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: all in that house.

952
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, my mom used to scrap book my entire life.

953
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 2: It was all in that house.

954
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: See, Like that's so weird to me that he would

955
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: want to keep shit like that, like I just I don't.

956
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 2: My aunt that works at the Brownstone around the time

957
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 2: that Tommy went away overheard somebody saying that somebody's pictures

958
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 2: were in the garbage at the Brownstone, and she went

959
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 2: and it was like two boxes of my baby pictures

960
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 2: that I guess were being kept at the Brownstone in storage,

961
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 2: and so so kindly they pulled it out of the

962
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 2: garbage for me and they gave it to my dad.

963
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 2: So that's all I have. It's about like a box

964
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 2: and a half of photos from you know, like two

965
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: years old and before. It's all I have. I just

966
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 2: went through them this weekend. Actually it was so emotional

967
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: for me because I'm like, this is I'm so grateful

968
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 2: to have these, but somebody threw this in the garbage.

969
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, like and from the bike from the room, so beatful,

970
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: just crazy, and.

971
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: I was supposed to kiss everyone's ascid. They went in

972
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 2: the garbage and took it out for me, like as

973
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 2: you should. I would do that for a stranger. Yeah,

974
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 2: it's the least you could have my mom's wedding dress

975
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: in there too, So I got that, which I'm so

976
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: excited about. So I want to like change it into something.

977
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yea, yeah that was in the box.

978
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was my mom's wedding dress. It was

979
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: there was a scrap book in there of my mom's childhood.

980
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: We had no idea that was going to be in there,

981
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: and we were so happy and like my christening and

982
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 2: stuff like that.

983
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 1: If you had to come up with a housewife tagline,

984
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 1: what would yours be?

985
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 2: What was my mom's? If you think I'm a bring

986
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: it wasn't that hers? No, so much would be like,

987
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: I am a bring it.

988
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: On, wait, I love that. My favorite line that she

989
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: ever said was with like the whole Danielle stop thing,

990
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: if you want to skin me and wear me? Like yeah,

991
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: my favorite line, like how she came up with that,

992
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: nod knows.

993
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 2: My high school yearbook quote was either love me or

994
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 2: hate me. There's no in between with me, which is

995
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: daniel stop school. She was so angry about it. I'm like,

996
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 2: it's funny.

997
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 1: I was literally gonna sageway.

998
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: That sounds so.

999
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: Mine would be you think you've raised me on reality TV,

1000
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 1: but I'm writing my own script.

1001
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 2: Oh that's very artful. That was poetic.

1002
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: Took some thought.

1003
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 2: You own your own vintage, brand new.

1004
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you some questions and I want

1005
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: you to give some styling tips to the girls. Okay,

1006
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: all right, which celeb closet would you love to steal.

1007
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: From the Alsen Twins? Obviously?

1008
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: What's one trend that you refuse to try?

1009
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: I said this recently too. I don't I don't understand

1010
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 2: the whole butter yellow thing. Everyone's wearing butter yellow, butter yellow,

1011
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 2: and it, like, I don't know, it draws out my skin.

1012
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: I feel like it's like we're gonna look back and

1013
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 2: be like, why were we wearing butter yellow?

1014
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: LA or New York Fashion?

1015
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: Oh, New York for sure.

1016
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: If you had only twenty minutes to get ready, what's

1017
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: your go to look?

1018
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 2: Jean's a T shirt, vintage pair of heels, Go to brands.

1019
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: I'm not really a brand whore, Honestly, I'm not really

1020
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 2: big into like designer handbags and that kind of thing.

1021
00:54:55,480 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 2: I love Luava, but now J. W Anderson's leaving, so

1022
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if it'll be the same.

1023
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: And Chanel, if you could only buy one designer bag,

1024
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: what are you.

1025
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 2: Picking lay the little pouch bag?

1026
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: Okay, Lexi, this was such an amazing episode, and thank

1027
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: you so much for being so open and sharing your story.

1028
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 2: It is so nice to see you.

1029
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: I hope you feel good and I hope this made

1030
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: you feel like you're really speaking to your truth.

1031
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm so proud of you. I love you.

1032
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 2: I'm so proud of you. I love you.