WEBVTT - Lanterns S1E05

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<v Speaker 1>Warning!

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<v Speaker 2>Today's episode contains spoilers for episode 5 of Lanterns. Be warned. Hello!

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Jason Katsapsian.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm Rosie Knight.

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<v Speaker 2>And welcome back to X-Ray Vision, the podcast where we

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<v Speaker 2>dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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<v Speaker 2>We're bringing you three episodes a week.

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<v Speaker 3>Plus news.

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<v Speaker 1>In today's episode, we will be recapping Lantern's episode five,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a crazy episode. And we will be talking

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<v Speaker 1>about where we're going as we head into the finale

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<v Speaker 1>in three episodes. And.

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<v Speaker 2>Lanterns, episode five, lights out. We open, Rosie, in 2007.

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<v Speaker 3>Crazy. Nope. Wasn't expecting it.

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<v Speaker 2>Not at all. Future Sheriff Kerry, Kerry Kane, is on

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<v Speaker 2>the road fleeing Gotham, we presume. Definitely. Her car breaks

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<v Speaker 2>down outside Rushville and we see those bangs.

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<v Speaker 3>Those Gotham bangs.

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<v Speaker 2>The Gotham bangs.

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<v Speaker 3>I like the bangs.

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<v Speaker 1>I also like that they were like, we got to

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<v Speaker 1>give her some cat's eye eyeliner. We got to make

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<v Speaker 1>her look a bit more Gotham-y. She's giving Fargo. So

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<v Speaker 1>I love this kind of reveal. It's really fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it very much. She runs out of gas,

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<v Speaker 2>ends up, or her car breaks down, whatever the case

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<v Speaker 2>may be. She pushes the car to the diner on

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<v Speaker 2>the outskirts of Rushville where- Um, apparently it's already quite

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<v Speaker 2>insular there because the, the person, the clerk at the

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<v Speaker 2>counter is like cash up front. They don't like outsiders here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very clear. Immediately as she sits down at the

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<v Speaker 2>counter asking for coffee, two guys sidle up sitting on

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<v Speaker 2>either side of her and they know all about her.

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<v Speaker 2>And it becomes very clear that they have been pursuing her.

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<v Speaker 2>They are some sort of organized crime figures from one

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<v Speaker 2>of the Gotham families. It's unclear which. And. They killed

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<v Speaker 2>her dad, who was a snitch.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some kind of a philia, like with them, a

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<v Speaker 1>henchie maybe or something, which I thought was a fun twist.

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<v Speaker 2>Kane is like, yeah, but I'm not a threat. But sadly,

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<v Speaker 2>these guys, apparently the edict is we wipe out the

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<v Speaker 2>entire bloodline of a snitch.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, snitches get stitches and no bitches and no

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<v Speaker 1>bloodline forever.

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<v Speaker 2>No more kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone's gone.

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<v Speaker 1>This man snitched badly for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>This sounds like he snitched on a foul code or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and they're going down the family tree apparently. And

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<v Speaker 2>despite the fact that future Sheriff Kerry had absolutely nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do with this stuff, she says they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have to kill her. And they say, listen, you have

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<v Speaker 2>your coffee. Then we're going to walk you outside. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>make any noise or we're going to wax everybody in

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<v Speaker 2>this diner. Everybody dies in the diner. But then before

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<v Speaker 2>anything can happen... Someone comes up and snaps one of

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<v Speaker 2>the goons' neck. It's Zoe, who is clearly the Manhunter.

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<v Speaker 3>And now we have been revealed. This is our fucking bitch.

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<v Speaker 1>Which, by the way, I do want to say, everyone

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<v Speaker 1>knew this from episode one.

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<v Speaker 3>We knew this.

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<v Speaker 1>The audience knew this. They tried to red herring us,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was quite clear. I also want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>they did a good red herrings. And we will talk

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<v Speaker 1>more about whether or.

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<v Speaker 3>Not she's the only Manhunter. That's what we will continue

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>But I will say, I love the visual storytelling here

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<v Speaker 1>to use a diner with the mob for a Gotham

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<v Speaker 1>entry point because we've seen that in so many Batman movies.

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<v Speaker 1>So immediately the mise-en-scene, the background, it evokes Gotham.

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<v Speaker 2>Hemingway-esque, the killers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, yes, very much.

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<v Speaker 2>So she snaps this guy's neck with ease. And then

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<v Speaker 2>in a very casual kind of cheerful- Hey, girly. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>girly kind of tone is like, hey, babe. What's up?

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Zoe. How are you? What's going on with

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<v Speaker 2>these guys? It seems like they're trying to kill you.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I right? She's got the other goon pinned to

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<v Speaker 2>the diner counter with one hand. And she's like, what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on here? And she gets the whole download, which

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<v Speaker 2>is they're here to kill her. They have orders to

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<v Speaker 2>kill her and they've got to bring proof in the

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<v Speaker 2>form of some body part, a pinky, back to Gotham

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<v Speaker 2>to prove that they are successfully extinguishing this snitch's bloodline.

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<v Speaker 2>And so Zoe's like, okay, perfect. Here's like a big knife. Crazy!

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<v Speaker 2>I'll cut your finger off or you can do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And Carrie's like, no, no, no, I'll do it. And

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<v Speaker 2>then we hand the pinky to this guy and he

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<v Speaker 2>takes it back and that's... And then... we're done. So

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<v Speaker 2>Zoe sends the guy back with the finger and is like,

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<v Speaker 2>now listen, take the, do just as we said, take

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<v Speaker 2>the finger to Mr. Falcone or whoever. And, and you

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<v Speaker 2>tell him the story that we agreed upon, or I

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<v Speaker 2>will wipe out your bloodline. I'll kill your whole family.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want you guys to know, if you are

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<v Speaker 1>shocked by the events of this episode, you shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>because she made this woman chop off her own finger

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<v Speaker 1>to prove how desperate she was for her help. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>There is something so mercenary about Zoe in this episode

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<v Speaker 1>and about the Manhunter kind of culture of survival.

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<v Speaker 3>That is really brutal in a way that I wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>expecting for the show to explore. And I thought that

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<v Speaker 3>was really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Me too. And so the guy runs off and then

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<v Speaker 2>Zoe and Carrie have a little tête-à-tête. And she's like, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been where you are, on the run, afraid, lonely,

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<v Speaker 2>no one to help me. And in the end, and

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<v Speaker 2>we get some good little breadcrumbing of mystery here, someone

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<v Speaker 2>did exactly what I'm about to do for you, helped me,

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<v Speaker 2>saved me, gave me a place to stay. All I

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<v Speaker 2>ask in return is when the day comes, you repay

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<v Speaker 2>your debt to me. And Carrie's like, what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, listen, at some point people are going

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<v Speaker 2>to come looking for me. And it's going to be...

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't go into too much detail, but she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's going to be a big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Will you protect me? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you give me this vague promise that will clearly

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<v Speaker 1>come and bite you in the ass?

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>I also want to say... Oh, yeah. And then what happens, Jason?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I have a comment here on Zoe's approach.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Carrie is like, yeah, of course. You got it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Zoe's like, okay, let's grow you a new pinky.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get in there.

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<v Speaker 3>Girl, I got to say.

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<v Speaker 1>you could be making so much money with these one

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<v Speaker 1>blood drop situations.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you do not need to be hiding in Rushville.

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<v Speaker 3>You could be curing cancer.

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<v Speaker 1>You could be doing so much and changing your face

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<v Speaker 1>and no one would ever know it was you.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you're thinking too small, babe.

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<v Speaker 2>I think to push back, Anton and the aliens are

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<v Speaker 2>steps behind. Like however they are tracking the Manhunter Zoe,

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<v Speaker 2>as we know her, currently her, they're very good at it.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're to find out like Anton, a little personal

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that we were not expecting. Anyway, we

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<v Speaker 2>fast forward to 2016 in the main, you know, flashback timeline.

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<v Speaker 2>John wakes up in the crashed car, which Hal had

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<v Speaker 2>jumped out of and smashed into a light pole. He's

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<v Speaker 2>trapped under the dash. Hal kind of walks up. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, you know, but I got to take you

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<v Speaker 2>off the board for a little while. Um, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you've been talking to the, to the bosses, to the

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<v Speaker 2>guardians and, um, I can't have that. Jon Stewart accuses

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<v Speaker 2>Hal of going off to kill Zoe. And he's like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't kill.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't do that. I am going to arrest her

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<v Speaker 2>and give her to the guardians. And then what the

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<v Speaker 2>guardians do with her, you know, I don't know, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you can use your imagination. Um, Hal says

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<v Speaker 2>that John, he had Jon Stewart call Anton. Because he

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<v Speaker 2>needed like this distraction that Anton and the aliens are

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<v Speaker 2>going to come to town. He's going to, that's immediately

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<v Speaker 2>going to spark a fight between the Manhunter protecting militia

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<v Speaker 2>and Anton's forces. And in that chaos, he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>grab Zoe, fly her to Oa. And after that, the

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<v Speaker 2>guardians dare not replace him because he'll have this like

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<v Speaker 2>major win.

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<v Speaker 3>He saved the day.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. In Rushville, the town is mustering to protect Zoe.

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<v Speaker 2>The militia's running through the streets. Everything's going to go lockdown.

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<v Speaker 2>The siren is going.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got to be real.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen a lot of militias in America, and these

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<v Speaker 1>guys had a lot of time to prepare.

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<v Speaker 3>Not well prepared enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it would be better.

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<v Speaker 3>This was not up there with The Last of Us.

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<v Speaker 1>They have not been utilizing the money for the tanks

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<v Speaker 1>and all that stuff that the local governments get here.

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<v Speaker 3>Zoe, use a little bit of that blood magic. Come on.

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<v Speaker 2>Where's the... And the alien tech that they had so

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<v Speaker 2>much of before. I agree. I think they were wasting time.

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<v Speaker 3>Time.

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<v Speaker 2>We go to the ranch where now Sheriff Carrie Macon

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<v Speaker 2>is arguing with her husband, Billy Macon, the son, who's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do stuff. I want to help. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>let me just say, this was interesting. Don't you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Billy making, first of all, big casting.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>We love Jason Ritter. Love Jason Ritter. Second of all.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like we're very geared up to protect him,

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<v Speaker 2>keep him out of danger.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>And look, I'm saying when they asked the other person

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<v Speaker 1>the name, all they said was William.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that was always a potential to be

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<v Speaker 3>setting up Billy.

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<v Speaker 2>Could it be her offspring?

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<v Speaker 3>And then she, you know, the gene is carried.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, you know, and then we saw her telling

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<v Speaker 1>the grandkid later on in this episode. We'll see her

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<v Speaker 1>kind of reminding him to remember. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>I did think that was really interesting. And also they

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<v Speaker 3>still haven't really established what that marriage looked like.

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<v Speaker 1>The marriage of convenience, the clear fact that it was

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<v Speaker 1>obviously partially arranged.

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<v Speaker 3>By the Manhunter. Like I want to know more about

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<v Speaker 3>that past.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a theory. We'll get into that in a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>So she sends her husband, Billy making the son away.

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<v Speaker 2>Zoe is there, obviously still alive, uh, she then goes

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<v Speaker 2>to Noah, her grandson, who is Carrie's son with Billy Macon.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's clear that there's a lot of love there

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<v Speaker 2>between these two people, this alien, uh, android like being,

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<v Speaker 2>and this human son. And she's telling him, listen, um,

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people are going to die today, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really sorry about it. And it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people that you know and some of

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<v Speaker 2>whom you love. And he's like, what about you? And

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, yeah, maybe even me.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>I might not make it. She makes Noah promise her

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<v Speaker 2>not to forget everything she's taught him.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that mean? Interesting. She then gets a call.

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<v Speaker 2>Macon tells her, her husband, William Macon. That Hal, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't know where Hal is. He's off the map right now,

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<v Speaker 2>but they found Jon Stewart. He's in the crashed car.

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<v Speaker 2>And just shortly after this, the car catches fire and

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<v Speaker 2>Zoe is pulling up and is kind of like, She

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<v Speaker 2>could run up, but she's watching him burn up.

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<v Speaker 3>And John is like, help me, help me, help me.

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<v Speaker 3>And she's just watching him burn.

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<v Speaker 2>He's sizzling.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very cruel. He is fucking sizzling.

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<v Speaker 2>Car explodes. And he fucking just goes sizzling on the pan.

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<v Speaker 2>Hal is on the water tower just kind of watching everything. Which, like,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm the militia, obviously, like, keep the water tower covered. Whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Literally 100%.

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<v Speaker 2>He activates, he cuts something, some sort of, like, child...

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<v Speaker 2>safety thing off his ring. I think the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>was probably sending messages to Oa to let them know.

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<v Speaker 3>What he was up to.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that makes sense.

0:13:12.820 --> 0:13:14.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because I was wondering what he was doing.

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<v Speaker 2>So he cuts something off of his ring and activates

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<v Speaker 2>his sentry mode, his AI double, which he had not

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<v Speaker 2>been engaging with for 10 years now. The AI double

0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.670
<v Speaker 2>of younger Hal basically is like, you know, I was

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<v Speaker 2>wondering if you were going to, you know, make contact

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<v Speaker 2>with me again. He's like, listen. Yeah, he's like, I

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<v Speaker 2>need you to do a sweep, basically fly around, keep

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<v Speaker 2>an eye on everything and keep me appraised of enemies,

0:13:40.690 --> 0:13:46.270
<v Speaker 2>enemy positions, et cetera. He then shows AI Hal the

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<v Speaker 2>drawing that Jon Stewart did of Zoe. AI Hal's like, damn,

0:13:50.940 --> 0:13:54.440
<v Speaker 2>you do that? He's like, no, but whatever. And he

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<v Speaker 2>flies off to keep an eye out and to look

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<v Speaker 2>for Zoe. Hal then lands in front of the sheriff's car.

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<v Speaker 2>And is like, we need to talk right now about, like,

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<v Speaker 2>everything that's going on here. She pulls her gun and

0:14:07.730 --> 0:14:11.189
<v Speaker 2>is kind of very, like, almost... She understands it's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to kill him. No. She has zero chance of

0:14:13.270 --> 0:14:16.380
<v Speaker 2>killing him. But she's just, like, mag dumps, like, right

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<v Speaker 2>at him as he creates a shield.

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<v Speaker 3>She's so pissed off.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, it's so good.

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<v Speaker 3>Such frustration.

0:14:21.580 --> 0:14:23.660
<v Speaker 2>He's like, what are you doing? And she's like, listen,

0:14:23.700 --> 0:14:28.060
<v Speaker 2>Zoe can't hear us. But she is watching everything we do.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I have to do this or else... she's

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<v Speaker 2>going to kill me and who knows what else. Hal

0:14:35.020 --> 0:14:39.600
<v Speaker 2>wants to know why Carrie sent him and Jon Stewart

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<v Speaker 2>on like a wild goose chase to the whole meat

0:14:43.940 --> 0:14:46.880
<v Speaker 2>processing plant and the guy Hector was pretending to be

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<v Speaker 2>the manhunter. Carrie says, because that's what Zoe wanted and

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<v Speaker 2>you don't understand everything that's going on here. I owe her, okay?

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<v Speaker 2>I have to do this. I owe her. Hal points

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<v Speaker 2>out to Carrie that You know, you're protecting a war criminal, this, that,

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<v Speaker 2>and the other. But Sheriff Kerry's not going to leave.

0:15:08.770 --> 0:15:11.790
<v Speaker 2>Even when Hal says, like, listen, I'll get you and

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<v Speaker 2>Noah out. Like, I'll protect you. I'll put you in

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<v Speaker 2>lantern protective custody or whatever.

0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:18.580
<v Speaker 3>Lantern protection with chip.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like living in a squirrel for a park walk.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Kerry says, like, listen, you don't get it. Zoe

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<v Speaker 2>will destroy the entire town just to kill you. You

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<v Speaker 2>should just leave. It'll be peaceful if you leave. Yeah,

0:15:33.020 --> 0:15:36.320
<v Speaker 2>it was peaceful before you came. It'll be peaceful after

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<v Speaker 2>you leave. You are causing all of this to get

0:15:39.620 --> 0:15:43.620
<v Speaker 2>stirred up. Just leave. And if you don't, whatever happens

0:15:43.700 --> 0:15:48.640
<v Speaker 2>next is on you. Zoe takes John to the hospital

0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:53.330
<v Speaker 2>and he is absolutely crisped. He can't feel anything, luckily,

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<v Speaker 2>because his nerve endings are fried. He then reveals that

0:15:56.890 --> 0:15:59.930
<v Speaker 2>he knows Zoe is the Manhunter. Like, yeah, get with it, babe.

0:15:59.950 --> 0:16:02.450
<v Speaker 3>Get with it, babe. We all know, like, you're the

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<v Speaker 3>last one here.

0:16:04.170 --> 0:16:07.740
<v Speaker 2>He says he didn't tell the Guardians because he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>trust them. They're lying to him all the time, which

0:16:09.620 --> 0:16:15.080
<v Speaker 2>is true. And he doesn't trust them mainly because they

0:16:15.100 --> 0:16:17.420
<v Speaker 2>didn't tell Hal that he's going to be replaced and

0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.280
<v Speaker 2>they want him to just take the ring from Hal,

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<v Speaker 2>which seems like a very strange process and certainly not

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<v Speaker 2>the process that the Lanterns are famed for. Right. That

0:16:28.230 --> 0:16:32.790
<v Speaker 2>Hal talked about on the news and that everybody knows. Right. Um,

0:16:33.950 --> 0:16:40.280
<v Speaker 2>also Anton said, don't tell Hal Jordan because Anton said

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<v Speaker 2>the Manhunter is under the protection of the guardians. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is getting very, very interesting and very complex. Jon

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<v Speaker 2>Stewart realized that, um, It's because the Guardians created the

0:16:51.410 --> 0:16:53.390
<v Speaker 2>Manhunters and they want to keep that all secret. But

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<v Speaker 2>there may be other reasons, as we will get into.

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<v Speaker 3>And also, that's comic book canon.

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<v Speaker 2>So we love that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's quite canon. We kind of saw it coming. But like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I love that it's John who realizes it.

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<v Speaker 2>When the Guardians understood that, you know, they had messed

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<v Speaker 2>up with the Guardians, Zoe says, they like flipped a

0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.359
<v Speaker 2>switch in her. The way she tells it is they

0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:17.380
<v Speaker 2>just kind of pressed a button. But it was much

0:17:17.420 --> 0:17:21.470
<v Speaker 2>more complex than that. And all the Manhunters died except

0:17:21.590 --> 0:17:26.410
<v Speaker 2>for some reason her. And question mark. And question mark.

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<v Speaker 2>Another one, Laura Linney or others. She says that, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>she's going to kill Hal, but that John does not

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<v Speaker 2>need to die. And she offers him a very similar

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<v Speaker 2>deal to the one she offered Carrie back in the

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<v Speaker 2>day and clearly offered everybody else in the town.

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<v Speaker 3>Healing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll grow your skin back. Her protection. As long as.

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<v Speaker 2>Jon covers for her as well.

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<v Speaker 3>By like telling- Hal died a hero.

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<v Speaker 2>Hal died a hero.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm dead. There's no more Manhunters. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

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<v Speaker 3>No more Manhunters.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all gone. And there can be peace and some

0:18:05.490 --> 0:18:07.909
<v Speaker 2>personal upside for Jon. You get the ring. Yeah. All

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<v Speaker 2>you have to do is lie to the Guardians.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Hal flies to the diner where they were supposed to

0:18:14.830 --> 0:18:17.510
<v Speaker 2>meet Anton and the aliens. It's all riddled with bullets.

0:18:17.530 --> 0:18:19.869
<v Speaker 2>There's dead guys outside. They go inside. There's dead guys inside.

0:18:20.650 --> 0:18:25.830
<v Speaker 2>Anton and the aliens pop out. They're just like shooting it.

0:18:26.369 --> 0:18:30.750
<v Speaker 2>Hal is in his little iconic green bubble sheet. I

0:18:30.770 --> 0:18:34.010
<v Speaker 2>will say, listen, they're making it in this show like

0:18:34.109 --> 0:18:39.879
<v Speaker 2>Hal is in order to show how special John is.

0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:45.180
<v Speaker 2>And John is special. They are kind of downplaying the

0:18:45.500 --> 0:18:48.940
<v Speaker 2>comics version of how good Hal is at manifesting stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, is that a narrative choice?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I will say I have some questions about why

0:18:53.270 --> 0:18:56.590
<v Speaker 1>the lantern runs out so fast around Hal too.

0:18:56.670 --> 0:18:58.250
<v Speaker 3>So we can talk about that later.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, no, I agree that him just constantly being

0:19:01.250 --> 0:19:03.870
<v Speaker 1>in a little shield is so storm-coded.

0:19:03.930 --> 0:19:06.350
<v Speaker 3>It's like, make a big fist, man. Like, I never

0:19:06.390 --> 0:19:08.490
<v Speaker 3>thought I would ask you, but please make a big fist.

0:19:08.970 --> 0:19:11.070
<v Speaker 2>It's all like little bubbles and stuff. I would just

0:19:11.090 --> 0:19:12.310
<v Speaker 2>say like Comics.

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<v Speaker 3>Hal, for those of you who don't know.

0:19:13.510 --> 0:19:15.270
<v Speaker 2>He's got a little bit more juice. Comics Hal has

0:19:15.410 --> 0:19:20.280
<v Speaker 2>significant juice. Like he recreated an entire destroyed city. Like

0:19:20.460 --> 0:19:21.680
<v Speaker 2>he has the juice.

0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:22.179
<v Speaker 3>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So he's like, listen, we're on the same side.

0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:30.540
<v Speaker 2>Stop this. Let's get the Manhunter. Like I know who

0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:34.080
<v Speaker 2>he is. Yeah. And you want to kill him. Let's

0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:38.130
<v Speaker 2>team up. The aliens don't trust Hal. But he makes

0:19:38.170 --> 0:19:40.510
<v Speaker 2>a persuasive case. He's like, you guys got the muscle.

0:19:40.530 --> 0:19:43.040
<v Speaker 2>I have the intel. Let's do it. He then throws

0:19:43.060 --> 0:19:45.659
<v Speaker 2>some bullshit. He's like, here's who it is. Will Macon,

0:19:46.940 --> 0:19:49.230
<v Speaker 2>the fucking patriarch of the town. Okay.

0:19:49.430 --> 0:19:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Could you? believe that?

0:19:50.060 --> 0:19:55.660
<v Speaker 2>Big Willie, the father of Billy. The father-in-law of the sheriff.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the man, Hunter. Of course it makes sense. He's

0:20:00.170 --> 0:20:02.389
<v Speaker 2>running the militia. He lives in the big house in

0:20:02.410 --> 0:20:06.330
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the ranch. That's him! The aliens kind

0:20:06.369 --> 0:20:09.820
<v Speaker 2>of appear to buy it. Hal tells the aliens where

0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:13.040
<v Speaker 2>to find Will Macon and basically says, go get him.

0:20:13.220 --> 0:20:16.540
<v Speaker 2>But then Anton is like, oh, interesting. He's taking a

0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:20.010
<v Speaker 2>mail form then. And Hal's like, yeah, I'm taking a

0:20:20.030 --> 0:20:22.870
<v Speaker 2>mail form. What of it? He says, well, Jon Stewart

0:20:23.090 --> 0:20:27.949
<v Speaker 2>had sexual congress with the Manhunter. And clearly that's when

0:20:27.970 --> 0:20:29.970
<v Speaker 2>he was compromised because, by the way, that's how Manhunters

0:20:30.130 --> 0:20:33.629
<v Speaker 2>do it. Anton says, we will find out from experience.

0:20:34.109 --> 0:20:40.970
<v Speaker 2>They seduce the alpha. And then by that method, weaken

0:20:41.010 --> 0:20:44.650
<v Speaker 2>the entire kind of like society and system.

0:20:44.670 --> 0:20:45.230
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:20:45.650 --> 0:20:48.869
<v Speaker 2>And so Jon Stewart, you know, the implication is, so

0:20:48.890 --> 0:20:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Jon Stewart is the alpha. We didn't realize Jon Stewart

0:20:51.340 --> 0:20:53.680
<v Speaker 2>was gay. And Hal's like, yeah, but you know, Jon, listen,

0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Jon had a little coitus with the Manhunter, but actually like,

0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:03.330
<v Speaker 2>I'm the alpha. And I had so much coitus. Yeah.

0:21:03.790 --> 0:21:06.850
<v Speaker 3>And Anton's like... So you're gay.

0:21:07.220 --> 0:21:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Hal is like, hey, you know, when you're in space

0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:13.100
<v Speaker 1>as much as I am, it's less about attraction and

0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:14.159
<v Speaker 1>more about opportunity.

0:21:14.180 --> 0:21:16.550
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, this is so good. Everyone was

0:21:16.570 --> 0:21:17.679
<v Speaker 3>going crazy, bro.

0:21:17.740 --> 0:21:21.610
<v Speaker 1>Pansexual John Sturdy, pansexual Hal, gay John.

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<v Speaker 3>Like this episode was crazy. I also love.

0:21:24.510 --> 0:21:28.750
<v Speaker 1>That my friend Tini was telling me that her husband

0:21:28.810 --> 0:21:31.980
<v Speaker 1>Blake from behind the couch yelled, no fear means no

0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:35.180
<v Speaker 1>homophobia because Green Lanterns don't have fear, right?

0:21:35.300 --> 0:21:36.820
<v Speaker 2>That's 100%.

0:21:36.820 --> 0:21:38.960
<v Speaker 3>Hal's like, yeah, I'm fucking gay and I'm the alphabet.

0:21:38.980 --> 0:21:41.350
<v Speaker 3>It's full confidence. I fucking will make them crazy.

0:21:41.750 --> 0:21:43.290
<v Speaker 2>Like, I was having sex with them all day.

0:21:43.310 --> 0:21:44.750
<v Speaker 3>It was such a fun scene.

0:21:44.770 --> 0:21:50.179
<v Speaker 2>You know, if anything, Green Lanterns, have too much confidence.

0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:53.790
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm, that's actually a bit of a problem.

0:21:54.450 --> 0:21:56.670
<v Speaker 2>So they're just like, yeah, I'm just throwing it around.

0:21:56.730 --> 0:22:00.130
<v Speaker 2>I'm out there in space taking all comers. Who cares?

0:22:00.150 --> 0:22:00.709
<v Speaker 2>Star Trek.

0:22:00.770 --> 0:22:01.230
<v Speaker 3>We've seen it.

0:22:01.390 --> 0:22:02.770
<v Speaker 1>We know how it goes now. Yeah.

0:22:03.730 --> 0:22:07.060
<v Speaker 2>And they don't even have to look humanoid. Like it's whatever.

0:22:07.500 --> 0:22:13.639
<v Speaker 2>Believe me. And alert comes over the, the town cellular system. And,

0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:18.650
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's basically saying like, hey, war is here

0:22:18.690 --> 0:22:22.910
<v Speaker 2>babe war is here kill how kill the aliens anton

0:22:22.950 --> 0:22:25.690
<v Speaker 2>is like okay you got a deal but if you're

0:22:25.710 --> 0:22:28.970
<v Speaker 2>trying to play me the blood of many innocents will

0:22:29.010 --> 0:22:32.300
<v Speaker 2>be on your head today how jordan and how's that

0:22:32.340 --> 0:22:36.399
<v Speaker 2>meanwhile yeah i don't give a shit meanwhile zoe's growing

0:22:36.420 --> 0:22:40.680
<v Speaker 2>john that new skin he kind of questions her about

0:22:40.700 --> 0:22:42.859
<v Speaker 2>the form she took why'd you take this form why'd

0:22:42.900 --> 0:22:47.070
<v Speaker 2>you take the form of a South Asian woman in

0:22:47.109 --> 0:22:52.510
<v Speaker 2>a very white milieu. She says power. She says it's

0:22:52.609 --> 0:22:55.270
<v Speaker 2>easier to conquer a society to come in as an

0:22:55.450 --> 0:22:58.389
<v Speaker 2>outsider because you get a clear view of kind of everything.

0:22:58.430 --> 0:23:01.219
<v Speaker 2>You stand apart. You see all the barriers and all

0:23:01.260 --> 0:23:04.879
<v Speaker 2>the fears and all the kind of ways that a

0:23:04.940 --> 0:23:09.179
<v Speaker 2>society will separate itself from other things. And in that way,

0:23:09.980 --> 0:23:13.680
<v Speaker 2>The Manhunter is able to weaponize prejudice and fear in

0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:18.219
<v Speaker 2>order to take over this entire kind of community or

0:23:18.330 --> 0:23:21.530
<v Speaker 2>society or what have you. And that's how I forged

0:23:21.570 --> 0:23:24.300
<v Speaker 2>my greatest self. She then drops a little bit of

0:23:24.340 --> 0:23:26.900
<v Speaker 2>blood into John's eye who is scared for a second.

0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:29.240
<v Speaker 2>He's like, wait, wait, wait, wait. And then he's like, okay.

0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Got to say as well, definitely seems like it gives

0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:35.230
<v Speaker 1>him some kind of like extra superpower. Like we see

0:23:35.270 --> 0:23:38.270
<v Speaker 1>he has a little extra juice when he comes out

0:23:38.290 --> 0:23:42.010
<v Speaker 1>of that hospital for someone who just was burned to

0:23:42.050 --> 0:23:43.410
<v Speaker 1>a crisp in a car accident.

0:23:44.230 --> 0:23:47.480
<v Speaker 2>He has a flashback back to his entire life up

0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:49.580
<v Speaker 2>to this moment, up to the moment he burned in

0:23:49.619 --> 0:23:54.300
<v Speaker 2>the car. His parents raising him in that extremely brutal way.

0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:58.540
<v Speaker 2>And when Zoe's machine opens, John is clean as a whistle.

0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Looks great. John accuses Zoe of killing Ab and Sir.

0:24:02.820 --> 0:24:06.210
<v Speaker 2>It's like, you killed him. He had a change of

0:24:06.270 --> 0:24:09.869
<v Speaker 2>heart for some reason, decided to spare you. And to

0:24:09.930 --> 0:24:13.949
<v Speaker 2>protect yourself from anyone ever tracking you, you must have

0:24:13.970 --> 0:24:17.149
<v Speaker 2>killed him. And she's kind of sad about it. She's like, yeah,

0:24:17.230 --> 0:24:20.900
<v Speaker 2>I did do that. And you know what, John? That's

0:24:20.940 --> 0:24:24.740
<v Speaker 2>why I'm drawn to you. You see me. You really

0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:25.560
<v Speaker 2>see the real me.

0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:26.940
<v Speaker 3>This bitch is so toxic.

0:24:26.980 --> 0:24:30.420
<v Speaker 1>I gotta say, also, it's like, it's very clear that

0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:32.140
<v Speaker 1>Abin sir, she seduced him.

0:24:32.180 --> 0:24:33.740
<v Speaker 3>He fell in love with her and didn't want to

0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:35.320
<v Speaker 3>kill her. And then she was like, okay, time to

0:24:35.340 --> 0:24:38.360
<v Speaker 3>kill you. She's been black widowing her way across the universe. Like,

0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:41.609
<v Speaker 3>I respect it. I respect it. I respect it.

0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:45.400
<v Speaker 2>On some Eileen Warners type shit, like across the galaxy.

0:24:45.420 --> 0:24:48.520
<v Speaker 3>Hey, you know what? If they deserve it, then... You know?

0:24:48.970 --> 0:24:51.310
<v Speaker 2>But this line, man, you know, you really see me.

0:24:51.530 --> 0:24:57.870
<v Speaker 3>That was a real me. So, so, so toxic.

0:24:58.830 --> 0:25:02.030
<v Speaker 2>Will Megan sees the cars approaching. There's drones all over

0:25:02.090 --> 0:25:05.130
<v Speaker 2>the town and he's watching cars approaching the ranch. And

0:25:06.030 --> 0:25:08.970
<v Speaker 2>he then gets on the phone call with Zoe and

0:25:09.020 --> 0:25:12.730
<v Speaker 2>they kind of chat in. an alien language.

0:25:12.970 --> 0:25:13.490
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:25:13.510 --> 0:25:15.560
<v Speaker 2>And she, you know, she's like last little bit of

0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:17.740
<v Speaker 2>a test and she's like, are you ready for this?

0:25:17.780 --> 0:25:19.760
<v Speaker 2>And they're talking to alien and yet it's like, yeah,

0:25:19.780 --> 0:25:22.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm ready. He tells her that he loves her and

0:25:24.140 --> 0:25:26.460
<v Speaker 2>she's like, thank you. You know, he thanks her for

0:25:26.660 --> 0:25:31.590
<v Speaker 2>everything that he was grateful for every day that he

0:25:31.650 --> 0:25:33.310
<v Speaker 2>had as, you know, cancer free, he was.

0:25:33.770 --> 0:25:34.409
<v Speaker 3>Going to die.

0:25:35.050 --> 0:25:38.330
<v Speaker 2>And it's clear, very clear. He is expecting to die

0:25:38.390 --> 0:25:41.500
<v Speaker 2>today and that she expects him to die today. Pretending

0:25:41.580 --> 0:25:43.340
<v Speaker 2>to be her to cover for her death.

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:45.699
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:25:46.260 --> 0:25:49.620
<v Speaker 2>And then the attack happens. There's like a suicide attack

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:53.100
<v Speaker 2>at the gate. And then the other cars come in

0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:58.169
<v Speaker 2>behind that. And Anton's forces are like suicide bombing the

0:25:58.210 --> 0:26:00.750
<v Speaker 2>infrastructure on the ranch. They run over to that lab

0:26:00.810 --> 0:26:04.189
<v Speaker 2>that John and Hal investigated, blow it up. Will is

0:26:04.230 --> 0:26:08.280
<v Speaker 2>at his desk waiting for death. Anton comes in. Will

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:10.060
<v Speaker 2>presses a button under the desk and all these kind

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:13.770
<v Speaker 2>of laser pointers go on Anton. And he speaks in

0:26:13.970 --> 0:26:18.909
<v Speaker 2>Anton's language to Anton. And it becomes clear over the

0:26:19.050 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 2>course of this conversation that Anton and the Manhunter had

0:26:23.340 --> 0:26:28.270
<v Speaker 2>a little thing. They were I mean, the Manhunter is

0:26:28.330 --> 0:26:31.860
<v Speaker 2>leaving exes. The one, you know, the one is leaving exes,

0:26:32.060 --> 0:26:36.760
<v Speaker 2>body exes, but also like ex lovers across the galaxy.

0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:38.619
<v Speaker 3>The Rolodex is crazy.

0:26:38.740 --> 0:26:44.480
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy. And so, you know, Anton is like, are

0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:46.840
<v Speaker 2>you really the Manhunter? And like, it does a bunch

0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:50.540
<v Speaker 2>of questions. Like, where did we meet? Like, who am I? Like,

0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:55.090
<v Speaker 2>you know, what's my favorite color? How many kids did

0:26:55.130 --> 0:26:58.919
<v Speaker 2>we have? And Will has been briefed on all of

0:26:58.980 --> 0:27:01.340
<v Speaker 2>this stuff. And he's like, we could not conceive, which

0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:04.920
<v Speaker 2>is probably why the Manhunter moved on, right?

0:27:05.420 --> 0:27:07.570
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course, because it seems like they've been trying

0:27:07.590 --> 0:27:11.129
<v Speaker 1>to spread the seed, like ego, the living planet style

0:27:11.150 --> 0:27:12.409
<v Speaker 1>across the universe. Yeah, repopulate.

0:27:12.430 --> 0:27:13.830
<v Speaker 3>Potentially, exactly.

0:27:14.690 --> 0:27:18.730
<v Speaker 2>And clearly Anton feeling a type of way about getting

0:27:18.790 --> 0:27:21.629
<v Speaker 2>broken up with in what was clearly brutal fashion, but

0:27:21.710 --> 0:27:24.969
<v Speaker 2>also like, you know, like his world getting genocided, I'm

0:27:25.020 --> 0:27:25.919
<v Speaker 2>sure is also part of it.

0:27:26.210 --> 0:27:26.570
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:27:26.590 --> 0:27:30.710
<v Speaker 2>Um, if you are who you claim to be, Anton says,

0:27:30.820 --> 0:27:34.840
<v Speaker 2>you would have destroyed me by now. And, uh, you know,

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Will is like, yeah, but that would have been wasteful.

0:27:38.900 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Like you would have just detonated. And so, um, Anton

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:46.960
<v Speaker 2>is like, okay, well, time to figure out, like, if

0:27:47.020 --> 0:27:51.480
<v Speaker 2>you are the Manhunter, Jumps up, cuts- Very brutal. Very

0:27:51.660 --> 0:27:55.720
<v Speaker 2>brutally cuts Will's heart out while he's fucking alive in

0:27:55.760 --> 0:28:02.280
<v Speaker 2>some medieval type death. Like very, very, very brutal. Pulls

0:28:02.369 --> 0:28:06.010
<v Speaker 2>the heart out, looks at it. It does not crystallize. Therefore,

0:28:06.109 --> 0:28:10.250
<v Speaker 2>Will is not really the Manhunter. Anton then sees on

0:28:10.270 --> 0:28:14.030
<v Speaker 2>the security cameras that Hal is- outside the diner, like,

0:28:14.130 --> 0:28:17.170
<v Speaker 2>calling attention to himself, being like, come get me, here

0:28:17.230 --> 0:28:17.690
<v Speaker 2>I am.

0:28:17.710 --> 0:28:20.930
<v Speaker 3>Fucking, like, I know what you did last summer, Jennifer.

0:28:20.950 --> 0:28:21.869
<v Speaker 2>Come and get me!

0:28:21.869 --> 0:28:25.380
<v Speaker 3>Here I am! Here I am!

0:28:26.380 --> 0:28:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Just then, Gears of War Hammer of Dawn-style lasers open

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 2>up on the town, just like, boom, boom, boom, blowing

0:28:34.619 --> 0:28:38.739
<v Speaker 2>up huge portions of the town. Hal flies up to

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:42.810
<v Speaker 2>try and stop these like orbital lasers from shooting down.

0:28:43.380 --> 0:28:44.910
<v Speaker 2>Let's take a break here and we'll be right back

0:28:44.970 --> 0:29:03.970
<v Speaker 2>after this. And we're back in the hospital. There's a

0:29:04.010 --> 0:29:06.710
<v Speaker 2>guy guarding John, but John, who may or may not

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:08.010
<v Speaker 2>be juiced up by the man.

0:29:08.020 --> 0:29:09.500
<v Speaker 3>I think he's a little bit juiced.

0:29:09.540 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 2>He's a little juiced now. Pops up, easily takes out

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:19.590
<v Speaker 2>the guy. Boom! Chokes him out. It takes five seconds.

0:29:19.930 --> 0:29:21.310
<v Speaker 3>If that, yeah.

0:29:21.430 --> 0:29:25.810
<v Speaker 2>Arms himself, grabs the car keys and hits the road.

0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:30.380
<v Speaker 2>Heading towards the battle, the sound of the laser beams exploding.

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:34.020
<v Speaker 2>You know, in the distance, you can see laser beams exploding. Crazy.

0:29:34.350 --> 0:29:37.330
<v Speaker 2>He calls his dad and says, listen, I need you

0:29:37.350 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 2>to patch me into Liana, a.k.a. linney because the shit

0:29:41.860 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 2>is fucking going down dad is like give me an

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 2>update and he's like i don't can you hear the

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:48.980
<v Speaker 2>shit exploding in the background like i don't have time

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:51.460
<v Speaker 2>for this he's like did you take the ring no

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:54.290
<v Speaker 2>i didn't take the ring just patch me into fucking

0:29:54.610 --> 0:29:58.300
<v Speaker 2>laura what do you mean Mom and dad are being

0:29:58.380 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 2>extremely pushy about the ring and the updates and they

0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 2>want more. He gives them.

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:04.860
<v Speaker 3>It's giving, it might not be them.

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Let me say this. Glad you put that... I'm glad

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 2>you said that. I have noticed we never see the

0:30:14.380 --> 0:30:16.620
<v Speaker 2>parents on the other side of the phone. In other

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:20.470
<v Speaker 2>phone calls that happen, whether it be Hal or whoever...

0:30:20.740 --> 0:30:23.410
<v Speaker 2>It will, when he calls Sheriff Macon, for instance, it

0:30:23.430 --> 0:30:26.030
<v Speaker 2>will flip to the other side of the phone call

0:30:26.050 --> 0:30:28.550
<v Speaker 2>and you will see both parties. Why do we never

0:30:28.650 --> 0:30:30.690
<v Speaker 2>see John's parents on the other side of the call?

0:30:31.230 --> 0:30:35.290
<v Speaker 2>It's very much giving Laura Linney as the manhunter pretending

0:30:35.330 --> 0:30:36.190
<v Speaker 2>to be his parents.

0:30:36.250 --> 0:30:40.810
<v Speaker 1>Because also, look, I know I am not someone who

0:30:40.850 --> 0:30:44.350
<v Speaker 1>hasn't critiqued John's parents, but as we saw in episode

0:30:44.370 --> 0:30:47.580
<v Speaker 1>three there is complicated layers there like they wouldn't just

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:50.580
<v Speaker 1>not ask how he was like the mom actually does

0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 1>still care about him she put him in college you

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 1>know it doesn't feel realistic that if he's saying hey

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:58.700
<v Speaker 1>everything's blowing up all they care about is the ring

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:01.440
<v Speaker 1>the ring the ring that's not even about him being

0:31:01.510 --> 0:31:04.190
<v Speaker 1>the best green lantern or his excellence it's become about

0:31:04.290 --> 0:31:07.750
<v Speaker 1>the singular thing which they were never bothered about The.

0:31:07.790 --> 0:31:13.430
<v Speaker 2>Pressure is insane. Absolutely insane on him. And I just

0:31:13.570 --> 0:31:14.710
<v Speaker 2>feel like they are not.

0:31:15.130 --> 0:31:16.010
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, something's going on.

0:31:16.010 --> 0:31:17.730
<v Speaker 2>He's not talking to mom and dad. Whatever the case,

0:31:17.770 --> 0:31:21.770
<v Speaker 2>he's not talking to them. He gives them kind of

0:31:21.790 --> 0:31:24.030
<v Speaker 2>like the basic outline of what's going on. He breaks

0:31:24.070 --> 0:31:26.210
<v Speaker 2>into the gun store, gets a sniper rifle and is like, listen,

0:31:26.230 --> 0:31:28.650
<v Speaker 2>mom and dad, I am taking that fucking ring off

0:31:28.690 --> 0:31:29.170
<v Speaker 2>of Hal Jordan.

0:31:29.210 --> 0:31:31.810
<v Speaker 1>He's taking it off that motherfucker and he took the

0:31:31.830 --> 0:31:33.190
<v Speaker 1>sniper out with his little shot.

0:31:33.260 --> 0:31:34.780
<v Speaker 3>I love to see it. That was a great scene.

0:31:36.010 --> 0:31:38.490
<v Speaker 2>Hal, meanwhile, is in town saving people's lives with the

0:31:38.540 --> 0:31:42.700
<v Speaker 2>help of his AI dupe. He then gets the location

0:31:42.740 --> 0:31:47.550
<v Speaker 2>of Zoe, flies immediately to her, cuffs her, orders her,

0:31:47.570 --> 0:31:50.870
<v Speaker 2>you know, is basically like... To her guys, like, get away,

0:31:50.970 --> 0:31:52.870
<v Speaker 2>or I'm going to blow her head off with the

0:31:52.910 --> 0:31:55.690
<v Speaker 2>ring or whatever. But then her guys blow the tower,

0:31:55.730 --> 0:32:00.469
<v Speaker 2>which releases the darkness smoke over Hal, basically neutering his

0:32:00.530 --> 0:32:02.590
<v Speaker 2>ability to use the ring now. But he does have

0:32:02.650 --> 0:32:05.270
<v Speaker 2>a kind of night vision that allows him to see

0:32:05.290 --> 0:32:08.050
<v Speaker 2>what's going on. He sees that Anton is walking up

0:32:08.090 --> 0:32:10.990
<v Speaker 2>to the area, getting ready to suicide bomb the entire area.

0:32:11.330 --> 0:32:14.390
<v Speaker 1>Lots of suicide bombing in this episode, I got to say.

0:32:14.410 --> 0:32:15.130
<v Speaker 3>Hal manages to.

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Hal manages to pop out of the smoke and take

0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:23.000
<v Speaker 2>out Anton. Let me just say, Anton, up the yield.

0:32:24.060 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 2>Why do you need to get right up close to

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:29.740
<v Speaker 2>the Manhunter? Why don't you have more? If it's an explosive,

0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:31.100
<v Speaker 2>just get within, like, 100 yards.

0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:33.900
<v Speaker 3>Why aren't they worried about it nuking the town? Like,

0:32:33.940 --> 0:32:34.459
<v Speaker 3>just nuke it.

0:32:35.100 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why are you— Why do you have to get, like,

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 2>next to the man under?

0:32:40.060 --> 0:32:41.720
<v Speaker 3>Just do it in that area.

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Like, you're close enough.

0:32:42.700 --> 0:32:43.740
<v Speaker 3>That's the X.

0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:45.580
<v Speaker 1>That's the X situation ship.

0:32:45.620 --> 0:32:46.260
<v Speaker 3>They want to get.

0:32:46.140 --> 0:32:48.420
<v Speaker 2>Close one more time. That's right.

0:32:48.460 --> 0:32:50.990
<v Speaker 3>He's got to get that one last zinger in before

0:32:51.010 --> 0:32:52.170
<v Speaker 3>he blows her up. Yeah.

0:32:52.190 --> 0:32:56.130
<v Speaker 2>So he stops Anton from suicide in the area. And

0:32:56.170 --> 0:32:59.290
<v Speaker 2>then he takes off in a helicopter to just escape.

0:32:59.790 --> 0:33:03.190
<v Speaker 2>Lands at the hotel. The ring is running low on

0:33:03.260 --> 0:33:05.620
<v Speaker 2>charge and he's been using it with his AI dupe

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:07.340
<v Speaker 2>and doing a lot of stuff. And to your point,

0:33:07.420 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 2>it does seem like, God, he hasn't manifested a lot

0:33:13.590 --> 0:33:14.990
<v Speaker 2>and yet he's out of juice.

0:33:15.490 --> 0:33:19.730
<v Speaker 3>Joelle had a great theory, beloved to producer Joelle. before

0:33:19.750 --> 0:33:20.670
<v Speaker 3>we came on where.

0:33:20.570 --> 0:33:23.170
<v Speaker 1>She said she thinks because the oath and the words

0:33:23.230 --> 0:33:26.070
<v Speaker 1>are so important and he always rushes through them and

0:33:26.090 --> 0:33:29.730
<v Speaker 1>there's like no intention or belief, it might not actually

0:33:29.790 --> 0:33:32.230
<v Speaker 1>charge properly, which I thought was really fun.

0:33:32.490 --> 0:33:37.840
<v Speaker 3>I actually wonder if it's maybe being throttled either by

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 3>the OR or by- Shadow banning. Shadow banned, exactly.

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 1>But also as well, we can get into this a

0:33:43.940 --> 0:33:45.459
<v Speaker 1>bit later when we talk about Hal and where his

0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:47.330
<v Speaker 1>journey is going to go from here, but like, There

0:33:47.490 --> 0:33:49.830
<v Speaker 1>is stories where Hal gets power mad and he tries

0:33:49.870 --> 0:33:52.610
<v Speaker 1>to take other lanterns rings and stuff. So there is

0:33:53.230 --> 0:33:59.970
<v Speaker 1>a potential that at some point his lantern got like.

0:33:58.010 --> 0:33:59.230
<v Speaker 3>25% or something.

0:33:59.290 --> 0:34:02.250
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's interesting to see if that is a

0:34:02.410 --> 0:34:05.030
<v Speaker 1>narrative choice. Cause like you said, we haven't even seen

0:34:05.070 --> 0:34:08.299
<v Speaker 1>him do like a race car or a spaceship.

0:34:07.820 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 3>Or an airplane.

0:34:09.340 --> 0:34:11.960
<v Speaker 1>And the lantern is always out of juice. This man

0:34:12.020 --> 0:34:13.799
<v Speaker 1>is like never had a charge phone.

0:34:14.570 --> 0:34:20.250
<v Speaker 2>He's flown around a lot. He's created multiple shields, bubble

0:34:20.290 --> 0:34:23.210
<v Speaker 2>shields for himself. He has activated his AI and is

0:34:23.290 --> 0:34:27.630
<v Speaker 2>running around. And then he bubbled Anton so that Anton's

0:34:27.670 --> 0:34:30.140
<v Speaker 2>suicide bomb would not go off because Anton, I guess,

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:32.819
<v Speaker 2>needed to walk up to Zoe and put his arm

0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:34.980
<v Speaker 2>around her. Give her a kiss.

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:36.200
<v Speaker 3>Where's my hug at?

0:34:37.100 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:34:38.380 --> 0:34:40.799
<v Speaker 2>But not a lot. Not a lot besides that. So

0:34:40.820 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 2>he flies to the motel in the helicopter and grabs

0:34:45.660 --> 0:34:49.870
<v Speaker 2>the lantern is charging the ring but before he can

0:34:50.390 --> 0:34:53.069
<v Speaker 2>do it John Stewart ambushes him and they fight and

0:34:53.110 --> 0:34:54.270
<v Speaker 2>it's a great fight.

0:34:54.130 --> 0:34:58.060
<v Speaker 1>Great fight very long overdue the chemistry led to this

0:34:58.180 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 1>it works so well The.

0:35:00.620 --> 0:35:02.299
<v Speaker 2>Ring ends up falling on the floor in the middle

0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:05.299
<v Speaker 2>of the scrap. And long story short, John wins. But

0:35:05.340 --> 0:35:06.860
<v Speaker 2>it is a seesaw battle.

0:35:07.060 --> 0:35:07.340
<v Speaker 3>Mm-hmm.

0:35:07.580 --> 0:35:07.759
<v Speaker 2>Mm-hmm.

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:11.830
<v Speaker 3>Well, John did also just get burnt in a car. So, like, I've...

0:35:12.030 --> 0:35:13.910
<v Speaker 3>And he's a little bit... But he's juiced. But he

0:35:13.950 --> 0:35:16.030
<v Speaker 3>does say that his whole body feels like he rolled

0:35:16.070 --> 0:35:16.550
<v Speaker 3>in glass.

0:35:16.610 --> 0:35:17.580
<v Speaker 2>That's what he tells his parents, right?

0:35:17.620 --> 0:35:17.980
<v Speaker 3>That's true.

0:35:18.060 --> 0:35:19.100
<v Speaker 2>It's like he can still.

0:35:19.020 --> 0:35:22.060
<v Speaker 3>Feel like he's burnt even though his... the health level

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 3>is high.

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 1>So I think, like, it's kind of washed Hal without

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:27.950
<v Speaker 1>the lantern versus a little bit of a washed John,

0:35:27.989 --> 0:35:30.290
<v Speaker 1>but John is a little bit juiced, so he gets

0:35:30.370 --> 0:35:31.450
<v Speaker 1>the win, kind of.

0:35:31.489 --> 0:35:34.550
<v Speaker 2>Well, I will say, you know, Hal's fought aliens, Hal's

0:35:34.630 --> 0:35:40.509
<v Speaker 2>fought supervillains, Hal's fought... Hal has theoretically fought Superman by now, like,

0:35:40.710 --> 0:35:44.180
<v Speaker 2>if we're talking comic stuff, you know, like, he's... Hal

0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:46.899
<v Speaker 2>can handle himself. So this is a great fight. John

0:35:46.940 --> 0:35:47.620
<v Speaker 2>checks Hal out.

0:35:49.660 --> 0:35:50.060
<v Speaker 4>And....

0:35:52.260 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 2>All of a sudden the laser beams, the Hammer of

0:35:54.239 --> 0:36:01.130
<v Speaker 2>Dawn laser beams start charging up over the motel. Hal,

0:36:01.989 --> 0:36:06.030
<v Speaker 2>as John is choking him, manifests a shield around both

0:36:06.070 --> 0:36:08.850
<v Speaker 2>of them and they survive. And the next thing we

0:36:08.910 --> 0:36:12.690
<v Speaker 2>see is John fleeing out of the wreckage of the motel,

0:36:12.870 --> 0:36:16.660
<v Speaker 2>probably with the ring. Zoe comes to the rubble. Hal

0:36:16.700 --> 0:36:19.640
<v Speaker 2>is laying there. Where's your trainee? Hal's like, well, he

0:36:19.660 --> 0:36:23.259
<v Speaker 2>upgraded himself. He gave himself up.

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:24.670
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's not stupid.

0:36:25.110 --> 0:36:27.330
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he left and clearly he left with the ring.

0:36:27.910 --> 0:36:32.270
<v Speaker 2>He says, Jon Stewart isn't a coward. And if he

0:36:32.310 --> 0:36:34.910
<v Speaker 2>wanted me dead, he would have killed me himself. So

0:36:34.969 --> 0:36:36.850
<v Speaker 2>you're not here to, I don't know why you're here,

0:36:36.930 --> 0:36:40.070
<v Speaker 2>but like, you're not, this is not part of Jon's plan.

0:36:40.090 --> 0:36:42.779
<v Speaker 2>And then she says, then why would he leave you

0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:45.939
<v Speaker 2>in the rubble for me to find you? And he goes, bait.

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:50.560
<v Speaker 2>She turns around and is like, oh shit, they got me. John, boom,

0:36:50.700 --> 0:36:54.520
<v Speaker 2>snipes her through the head from not that far away.

0:36:54.580 --> 0:36:59.580
<v Speaker 2>Easy shot for John. It's shocking turn of events.

0:36:59.920 --> 0:37:03.589
<v Speaker 3>Don't you think? I mean, I would say shocking to

0:37:03.630 --> 0:37:06.009
<v Speaker 3>be personally. I did not think they were going to

0:37:06.070 --> 0:37:08.210
<v Speaker 3>do this. I will also say if I go on

0:37:08.230 --> 0:37:14.310
<v Speaker 3>my soapbox, it does concur. does continue a problematic thread

0:37:14.330 --> 0:37:15.630
<v Speaker 3>of fridging.

0:37:15.230 --> 0:37:18.380
<v Speaker 1>In the Green Lantern universe to move on somebody's and

0:37:18.420 --> 0:37:20.700
<v Speaker 1>I will say if you only have three women who

0:37:20.780 --> 0:37:23.060
<v Speaker 1>talk in a show killing one of them is kind

0:37:23.100 --> 0:37:25.680
<v Speaker 1>of crazy and it also being after the person has

0:37:25.700 --> 0:37:27.819
<v Speaker 1>slept with her but she's an alien so I'm gonna

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:29.970
<v Speaker 1>allow it I'm gonna jump off I'm gonna take.

0:37:29.830 --> 0:37:33.230
<v Speaker 4>The fiction hat on but I was shocked and they

0:37:33.270 --> 0:37:35.569
<v Speaker 4>do a lot of like she's dead you see the

0:37:35.590 --> 0:37:37.290
<v Speaker 4>bullet in her head they're gonna make sure they show

0:37:37.330 --> 0:37:39.629
<v Speaker 4>it again like if you're ready to see a dead

0:37:39.670 --> 0:37:42.049
<v Speaker 4>woman it's happening In this episode.

0:37:42.070 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 2>So, you know, John comes up. They got to do

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:50.180
<v Speaker 2>the test now. He then cuts Zoe's heart out. It

0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:53.219
<v Speaker 2>turns to Crystal. So she is a manhunter, the real thing.

0:37:53.820 --> 0:37:58.300
<v Speaker 2>He goes to see Hal. Takes the ring off of

0:37:58.340 --> 0:38:02.969
<v Speaker 2>Hal's finger. He puts it on. Birds land to watch

0:38:03.030 --> 0:38:05.790
<v Speaker 2>all of this happen. But he does not immediately say

0:38:05.850 --> 0:38:09.410
<v Speaker 2>the oath, interestingly. He's walking through town. He could fly,

0:38:09.469 --> 0:38:12.620
<v Speaker 2>but instead he's walking through town. Could he fly? Actually,

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 2>he didn't ever get finished that training.

0:38:15.660 --> 0:38:19.399
<v Speaker 1>I think that the moment right now that he kind

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:21.910
<v Speaker 1>of reveals is like he doesn't want to use it.

0:38:22.340 --> 0:38:23.260
<v Speaker 2>Like it's a choice.

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:26.120
<v Speaker 3>It's like he put it on and he feels fucking nothing.

0:38:26.469 --> 0:38:27.890
<v Speaker 3>It's emptiness. It's hollow.

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:30.350
<v Speaker 1>You know, Hal asks him when he takes the ring

0:38:30.390 --> 0:38:34.489
<v Speaker 1>off Hal's finger, how kind of whispers was it worth it?

0:38:34.890 --> 0:38:37.189
<v Speaker 3>And I think the end of this episode is John

0:38:37.230 --> 0:38:39.850
<v Speaker 3>saying no. It's actually not fucking worth it.

0:38:40.210 --> 0:38:40.390
<v Speaker 1>So.

0:38:40.940 --> 0:38:42.920
<v Speaker 2>The militia is about to try and arrest him, but

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Sheriff Kay has them stand down and basically is like,

0:38:47.060 --> 0:38:49.359
<v Speaker 2>you can leave town. Jon Stewart points her to Hal.

0:38:50.500 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 2>Laura Linney comes to see Jon, and she's like, real

0:38:53.820 --> 0:38:57.500
<v Speaker 2>shitstorm of a day in Rushville, Nebraska, huh, Jon Stewart?

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:00.700
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, but you know what? Ring looks good

0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:04.240
<v Speaker 2>on you. You did it. You did it. You really

0:39:04.300 --> 0:39:07.160
<v Speaker 2>did it. Jon Stewart tells her that, listen, Hal's alive.

0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:10.640
<v Speaker 2>I didn't kill him. And sorry if you wanted me

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:11.259
<v Speaker 2>to do that.

0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:13.460
<v Speaker 3>Which is what it kind of seems like.

0:39:13.739 --> 0:39:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Which is what it kind of seems like. Look in

0:39:15.700 --> 0:39:18.060
<v Speaker 2>the bag. He had left a bag like on the table.

0:39:18.620 --> 0:39:22.830
<v Speaker 2>She opens it and there's the Manhunter's heart. And, you know,

0:39:22.870 --> 0:39:25.370
<v Speaker 2>he's like, you guys created the Manhunters and all this,

0:39:25.390 --> 0:39:27.110
<v Speaker 2>that and the other. And she's like, yeah, even guardians

0:39:27.170 --> 0:39:29.190
<v Speaker 2>make mistakes. And when we make mistakes, we try to

0:39:29.330 --> 0:39:29.969
<v Speaker 2>rectify them.

0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:33.739
<v Speaker 1>Them by giving you a giant crystal okay yeah calm

0:39:33.780 --> 0:39:36.380
<v Speaker 1>down well that's the we should talk about that as

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 1>well john stewart talks about he's like you know i

0:39:40.100 --> 0:39:42.680
<v Speaker 1>thought i my whole life has been building up to

0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:47.540
<v Speaker 1>this i've been trained in brutal brutal crazy fashion by

0:39:47.580 --> 0:39:50.660
<v Speaker 1>my parents to do this And I thought when I

0:39:50.700 --> 0:39:53.740
<v Speaker 1>got the ring, everything would feel different.

0:39:53.780 --> 0:39:56.910
<v Speaker 2>Like I would feel satisfied. I'd feel powerful. I'd feel independent.

0:39:57.219 --> 0:39:57.620
<v Speaker 3>Happy.

0:39:57.660 --> 0:40:02.370
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And instead I feel empty. And he says, Hal

0:40:03.170 --> 0:40:06.989
<v Speaker 2>betrayed his oath, betrayed everything that he valued in order

0:40:07.030 --> 0:40:10.830
<v Speaker 2>to hold on to the ring. Even himself. Even himself.

0:40:10.969 --> 0:40:12.709
<v Speaker 2>He then takes it off, places it on the table

0:40:12.730 --> 0:40:15.990
<v Speaker 2>in front of Laura Linney and says, um says nothing

0:40:16.090 --> 0:40:17.330
<v Speaker 2>just like makes.

0:40:17.150 --> 0:40:19.729
<v Speaker 1>It clear that he's there's a great moment where look

0:40:19.890 --> 0:40:23.049
<v Speaker 1>where he says i bet hal doesn't even remember why

0:40:23.110 --> 0:40:25.290
<v Speaker 1>he wants the ring oh yeah that's right and then

0:40:25.330 --> 0:40:27.569
<v Speaker 1>he goes so good neither do i and he.

0:40:27.530 --> 0:40:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Puts it down and it's so good let's uh take

0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:49.469
<v Speaker 2>a quick break and we back after this And we

0:40:49.590 --> 0:40:55.810
<v Speaker 2>are back. Wow. Very interesting episode, Rosie. Crazy stuff. Lots

0:40:55.989 --> 0:40:59.290
<v Speaker 2>and lots to talk about. What would you like to

0:40:59.350 --> 0:41:00.230
<v Speaker 2>talk about first?

0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:05.140
<v Speaker 3>It felt like a finale. Can we talk about that?

0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:07.100
<v Speaker 3>I think it feels like a finale.

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:09.650
<v Speaker 1>I think the whole time I was sort of going,

0:41:09.670 --> 0:41:11.770
<v Speaker 1>what is the finale?

0:41:12.450 --> 0:41:14.630
<v Speaker 3>Is this the finale? How do you do a finale

0:41:14.969 --> 0:41:15.610
<v Speaker 3>after this?

0:41:16.090 --> 0:41:18.590
<v Speaker 1>You know, what do you do when you get to

0:41:18.650 --> 0:41:21.620
<v Speaker 1>episode eight now? And kind of obviously we have to

0:41:21.660 --> 0:41:25.540
<v Speaker 1>skip forward to 2026 and find out. what is going

0:41:25.660 --> 0:41:29.819
<v Speaker 1>on with Hal and that mystery um so that was

0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:32.120
<v Speaker 1>my kind of big takeaway was like wow this is.

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:34.960
<v Speaker 3>Like action-packed paced like a finale I.

0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Mean also I as as a John Stan which we

0:41:37.540 --> 0:41:40.000
<v Speaker 1>all know I found it to be a very powerful

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:43.240
<v Speaker 1>choice for him to reject the ring first and obviously

0:41:43.260 --> 0:41:45.340
<v Speaker 1>that's because he's going to accept it later on in

0:41:45.380 --> 0:41:47.839
<v Speaker 1>the story on his own terms I think that's quite

0:41:47.940 --> 0:41:50.360
<v Speaker 1>clear whether or not it's going to be this season

0:41:50.380 --> 0:41:52.390
<v Speaker 1>I don't know because I think once we get to

0:41:52.390 --> 0:41:55.710
<v Speaker 1>2026 and Hal doesn't have the ring, which we're going

0:41:55.730 --> 0:41:57.710
<v Speaker 1>to feel like, whoa, that was such a shock.

0:41:57.969 --> 0:41:59.410
<v Speaker 3>They're going to be like, yeah, of course he doesn't.

0:41:59.250 --> 0:42:01.969
<v Speaker 1>Have it because he's not Green Lantern, like fucking Guy

0:42:01.989 --> 0:42:04.290
<v Speaker 1>Gardner is, right? And I think that's where we get

0:42:04.350 --> 0:42:06.120
<v Speaker 1>back to this kind of wider universe.

0:42:06.580 --> 0:42:07.620
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I'm interested.

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:12.340
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Jason, for you, what was your biggest takeaway

0:42:12.380 --> 0:42:14.759
<v Speaker 1>of like, I need to know this before the season ends?

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:16.180
<v Speaker 3>Like, this is the thread.

0:42:18.030 --> 0:42:19.390
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we got to find out what Laura Lynn

0:42:19.430 --> 0:42:21.150
<v Speaker 2>is up to, because whatever she's up to, it is

0:42:21.230 --> 0:42:25.390
<v Speaker 2>not it's not clear that it is sanctioned by the

0:42:26.270 --> 0:42:27.290
<v Speaker 2>rest of the Guardians.

0:42:27.530 --> 0:42:27.870
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm.

0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:33.310
<v Speaker 2>We. I need to know if she's a Manhunter, which I.

0:42:34.350 --> 0:42:37.469
<v Speaker 2>semi-suspect that she.

0:42:36.989 --> 0:42:40.029
<v Speaker 1>Is it feels like there's a possibility that giving them

0:42:40.070 --> 0:42:44.549
<v Speaker 1>the giant like heart like almost heart-shaped massive crystal that

0:42:44.590 --> 0:42:48.140
<v Speaker 1>seemed very like specific and then that also fucked them

0:42:48.219 --> 0:42:51.400
<v Speaker 1>up because it seems like the Manhunters don't really understand

0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:54.640
<v Speaker 1>anything about uh Thor the Guardians don't whichever one you

0:42:54.660 --> 0:42:57.980
<v Speaker 1>decide yeah also is there more than Laura Linney Jason

0:42:58.020 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 1>do you think there could be another Manhunter like we

0:42:59.980 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 1>were talking about Billy.

0:43:01.020 --> 0:43:07.529
<v Speaker 2>Yeah I think I think the Manhunter's plan is just to, like,

0:43:08.190 --> 0:43:11.510
<v Speaker 2>if Zoe truly believed that they are the only one left,

0:43:12.350 --> 0:43:16.290
<v Speaker 2>perhaps not knowing if it is indeed the case that Liana,

0:43:16.410 --> 0:43:19.530
<v Speaker 2>aka Laura Linney, is a Manhunter, not understanding that there's

0:43:19.570 --> 0:43:25.140
<v Speaker 2>more of them, that Zoe would want to make, just, like,

0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:27.300
<v Speaker 2>not be alone in the universe and have other, to

0:43:27.380 --> 0:43:30.979
<v Speaker 2>have offspring, to have other Manhunters. It's clear that that's

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:34.799
<v Speaker 2>What she was trying to do in her relationship with Anton, right?

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:37.500
<v Speaker 2>They were trying, but it couldn't work. So she was

0:43:37.540 --> 0:43:40.880
<v Speaker 2>just like... She's just been moving, I think, through the

0:43:40.900 --> 0:43:46.500
<v Speaker 2>galaxy looking for species that she can actually reproduce with somehow.

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:50.170
<v Speaker 2>And she found out that humans can do it.

0:43:50.180 --> 0:43:51.049
<v Speaker 1>And so.

0:43:53.820 --> 0:43:56.450
<v Speaker 2>Does young Noah have powers? Does young Billy have something? Right,

0:43:56.489 --> 0:43:58.890
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of what I think.

0:43:59.010 --> 0:44:01.230
<v Speaker 1>Or at least there's some kind of history that she's

0:44:01.250 --> 0:44:04.970
<v Speaker 1>been teaching them or implanting in their brain, maybe. Okay, Jason,

0:44:05.010 --> 0:44:10.390
<v Speaker 1>speaking of Zoe as well, what did you read? I think,

0:44:10.790 --> 0:44:12.450
<v Speaker 1>for me, I have a clear vision, but I'm interested

0:44:12.469 --> 0:44:16.630
<v Speaker 1>to know, did... Zoe let John kill her?

0:44:16.690 --> 0:44:18.569
<v Speaker 3>Did you think she was taken by surprise?

0:44:18.710 --> 0:44:21.310
<v Speaker 1>I think that she's never met a human who would

0:44:21.370 --> 0:44:24.070
<v Speaker 1>break her contract, right? They're so scared of her after

0:44:24.090 --> 0:44:27.560
<v Speaker 1>they sense her power. But I think John broke the

0:44:27.620 --> 0:44:29.020
<v Speaker 1>contract and that surprised her.

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:30.100
<v Speaker 3>How do you feel?

0:44:30.860 --> 0:44:35.580
<v Speaker 2>I think that Zoe has been playing everybody. Obviously, there's

0:44:35.620 --> 0:44:40.480
<v Speaker 2>just like a web of incentives going on here with

0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:44.070
<v Speaker 2>everybody lying to everybody. And I have some thoughts about

0:44:45.340 --> 0:44:46.920
<v Speaker 2>I'll get into this in a second, but I feel

0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:50.670
<v Speaker 2>like Zoe sacrificed herself, much in the way that Will

0:44:50.730 --> 0:44:54.969
<v Speaker 2>sacrificed himself to protect Zoe. Zoe sacrificed herself to protect

0:44:55.830 --> 0:45:00.570
<v Speaker 2>her kids, Noah and perhaps Billy. I mean, Billy's her son, right?

0:45:00.810 --> 0:45:03.410
<v Speaker 3>I think that is, yeah, what we're supposed to think.

0:45:04.230 --> 0:45:04.410
<v Speaker 2>And.

0:45:05.950 --> 0:45:09.029
<v Speaker 2>She's doing that because she believes, like, they're going to

0:45:09.070 --> 0:45:11.569
<v Speaker 2>live on. Like, Manhunters are going to live. Something, you know,

0:45:11.590 --> 0:45:12.590
<v Speaker 2>she's creating these other Manhunters.

0:45:12.610 --> 0:45:14.130
<v Speaker 3>Like, she had a greater agenda.

0:45:14.150 --> 0:45:17.190
<v Speaker 1>So even though in the moment she may have been surprised,

0:45:17.250 --> 0:45:19.509
<v Speaker 1>it also made sense to just allow the bullet to

0:45:19.530 --> 0:45:20.410
<v Speaker 1>hit her.

0:45:20.570 --> 0:45:23.520
<v Speaker 3>End the drama, blah, blah, blah. End the drama.

0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:27.620
<v Speaker 2>We've got the Crystal Heart. The Guardians are satisfied. Anton

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:31.480
<v Speaker 2>and the aliens hunting her are satisfied. Everybody walks away

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 2>and nobody realizes that we've just... Maybe.

0:45:34.180 --> 0:45:35.560
<v Speaker 3>Started a new generation.

0:45:35.580 --> 0:45:40.489
<v Speaker 2>A new generation of Manhunters. Secondly, I'll say this. Remember

0:45:40.530 --> 0:45:44.469
<v Speaker 2>how we were confused at some of the conversations that

0:45:44.489 --> 0:45:46.550
<v Speaker 2>were going on between Hal and John in previous episodes

0:45:46.570 --> 0:45:48.509
<v Speaker 2>where it seemed like they were aware that people were

0:45:48.530 --> 0:45:52.520
<v Speaker 2>listening to them? Yes. And then in this episode, Sheriff

0:45:52.540 --> 0:45:58.060
<v Speaker 2>Carrie is like, Zoe can't hear us, but she is

0:45:58.100 --> 0:45:59.860
<v Speaker 2>watching what we're doing, so we have to be careful.

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:01.839
<v Speaker 2>I have to shoot you because I have to seem

0:46:01.860 --> 0:46:05.690
<v Speaker 2>like I'm fighting you. It did seem to me for

0:46:05.890 --> 0:46:14.029
<v Speaker 2>a moment there that Hal, potentially with John, were playing

0:46:14.310 --> 0:46:19.380
<v Speaker 2>the Manhunter by pretending to be against each other. Because

0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:22.739
<v Speaker 2>the way Hal says bait, how did he know that

0:46:22.780 --> 0:46:24.259
<v Speaker 2>that's what John was doing?

0:46:25.020 --> 0:46:30.239
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, to me, Hal's... choice to, you know,

0:46:30.260 --> 0:46:32.589
<v Speaker 1>throw John, like jump out of the car. And that

0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:34.690
<v Speaker 1>was a selfish Hal choice where he didn't care what

0:46:34.710 --> 0:46:36.410
<v Speaker 1>happened to John. He also probably didn't think he was

0:46:36.430 --> 0:46:38.450
<v Speaker 1>going to get burned to a crisp. But I do

0:46:38.510 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 1>think that once John took the ring, classic Hal Jordan,

0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:47.190
<v Speaker 1>like that kind of masculinity style was, John Hal then

0:46:47.250 --> 0:46:49.290
<v Speaker 1>respected him and realized he had a plan and thought

0:46:49.330 --> 0:46:50.910
<v Speaker 1>what would I have done oh I'd have left him

0:46:50.950 --> 0:46:52.830
<v Speaker 1>here as bait and then he sees him like at

0:46:52.870 --> 0:46:54.750
<v Speaker 1>the sniper I feel like that was more of like

0:46:54.810 --> 0:46:58.290
<v Speaker 1>a him understanding and respecting John as like an equal

0:46:58.350 --> 0:47:00.910
<v Speaker 1>player I don't know if they were because also if

0:47:00.950 --> 0:47:03.270
<v Speaker 1>it was just a visual thing they could have talked

0:47:03.310 --> 0:47:05.629
<v Speaker 1>to each other like Zoe did that's the thing they

0:47:05.650 --> 0:47:08.870
<v Speaker 1>could have done the actions I think there's still something

0:47:08.910 --> 0:47:11.569
<v Speaker 1>here with Hal look this is the thing that the

0:47:11.610 --> 0:47:13.310
<v Speaker 1>internet's been going crazy about I want to bring it

0:47:13.390 --> 0:47:15.359
<v Speaker 1>up because I think it's a fun point but like

0:47:15.820 --> 0:47:19.580
<v Speaker 1>every episode the opening credits is getting more yellow when

0:47:19.620 --> 0:47:22.460
<v Speaker 1>it says lanterns it started right green it's going towards

0:47:22.500 --> 0:47:24.859
<v Speaker 1>yellow i think they are letting us know that there

0:47:24.940 --> 0:47:27.629
<v Speaker 1>is something john is sensing here about how's obsession with

0:47:27.670 --> 0:47:30.270
<v Speaker 1>the ring that i do think could come to fruition

0:47:30.570 --> 0:47:32.190
<v Speaker 1>like i don't know how bad they're gonna go i

0:47:32.210 --> 0:47:34.910
<v Speaker 1>don't know if he's truly reclaiming it there has been

0:47:34.950 --> 0:47:38.050
<v Speaker 1>a lot of controversy about how's choices in this episode

0:47:38.090 --> 0:47:39.730
<v Speaker 1>and how some people feel like he's being painted as

0:47:39.770 --> 0:47:41.980
<v Speaker 1>a villain and i personally think it makes a lot

0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:44.220
<v Speaker 1>of sense we've seen it in things like emerald knights

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen it when he became parallax like we don't

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<v Speaker 1>even have to see him go this evil how's just

0:47:48.340 --> 0:47:51.180
<v Speaker 1>an arrogant kind of guy right but it did definitely

0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:54.359
<v Speaker 1>the bait thing that sounded like there was some kind

0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:59.569
<v Speaker 1>of acknowledgement or understanding and he definitely protected them by

0:47:59.610 --> 0:48:03.080
<v Speaker 1>putting up the shield so that John could continue, even

0:48:03.140 --> 0:48:04.700
<v Speaker 1>though he was annoyed that he took the ring.

0:48:04.719 --> 0:48:06.259
<v Speaker 2>Because how would he have done the same thing?

0:48:06.300 --> 0:48:08.480
<v Speaker 3>How would have taken the ring from the person before him?

0:48:08.739 --> 0:48:10.700
<v Speaker 3>Maybe he did. Maybe Abin Sa didn't give it to him.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that there is like a weird possibility that

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<v Speaker 2>this is an extremely long play between both Hal and

0:48:18.650 --> 0:48:24.870
<v Speaker 2>John somehow. And that Hal and John understanding what the

0:48:24.930 --> 0:48:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Manhunter's hold on the town was, what the Manhunter was

0:48:27.860 --> 0:48:31.370
<v Speaker 2>capable of doing, were like, listen, we play it off

0:48:31.450 --> 0:48:34.070
<v Speaker 2>to the point where you almost die because the Manhunter

0:48:34.090 --> 0:48:36.610
<v Speaker 2>will heal you and make you this offer. And that

0:48:36.630 --> 0:48:38.130
<v Speaker 2>will allow us.

0:48:38.430 --> 0:48:40.049
<v Speaker 3>You have to be that desperate.

0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:44.640
<v Speaker 2>And the Manhunter is already kind of fixated on you.

0:48:45.340 --> 0:48:48.700
<v Speaker 2>And therefore we use you in that way as bait

0:48:48.739 --> 0:48:52.060
<v Speaker 2>to lure the Manhunter away from its protection. So we

0:48:52.100 --> 0:48:55.359
<v Speaker 2>can get you because it will want to stand over me.

0:48:55.440 --> 0:49:00.560
<v Speaker 2>And it, I don't know if that is the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope so.

0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:03.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Joelle, I just need to say is going

0:49:03.700 --> 0:49:06.440
<v Speaker 1>crazy in the producer chat because she is saying like

0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:09.839
<v Speaker 1>that this if this is like a deep con like

0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:12.830
<v Speaker 1>surveillance set up of them working together, some kind of

0:49:13.230 --> 0:49:14.730
<v Speaker 1>reminiscent of The Wire or something.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that sounds amazing.

0:49:16.230 --> 0:49:19.069
<v Speaker 1>I love bros working together. I still think Hal is

0:49:19.130 --> 0:49:21.670
<v Speaker 1>on a dangerous path. but I would love for it

0:49:21.690 --> 0:49:23.290
<v Speaker 1>to be a cover. I think that would be a

0:49:23.370 --> 0:49:24.330
<v Speaker 1>very fun twist.

0:49:24.710 --> 0:49:25.350
<v Speaker 3>Especially because.

0:49:25.790 --> 0:49:27.580
<v Speaker 1>I got to be real, I don't know if the

0:49:27.600 --> 0:49:31.120
<v Speaker 1>Who murdered Hal Jordan story can be satisfying by itself

0:49:31.180 --> 0:49:34.460
<v Speaker 1>in three episodes. So I think having these other threads

0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:36.600
<v Speaker 1>of like, is Hal even dead? That could be a

0:49:36.620 --> 0:49:40.589
<v Speaker 1>Manhunter body in the shape of Hal. Manhunters can change shape.

0:49:40.930 --> 0:49:43.330
<v Speaker 1>So I think once we get more of that context,

0:49:43.690 --> 0:49:46.189
<v Speaker 1>we'll be able to understand more. But I got to say,

0:49:46.370 --> 0:49:48.710
<v Speaker 1>if that was an act, they sold me and that

0:49:48.730 --> 0:49:50.330
<v Speaker 1>would be such a fucking fun twist.

0:49:51.030 --> 0:49:55.500
<v Speaker 2>I mean, why would Hal go back to Rushville? How

0:49:55.580 --> 0:49:58.480
<v Speaker 2>could he possibly have gotten shot by a bullet? Like,

0:49:58.560 --> 0:50:01.340
<v Speaker 2>how could that, how could they have got him that way?

0:50:03.430 --> 0:50:07.649
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of questions and I keep going back

0:50:07.730 --> 0:50:11.089
<v Speaker 2>to the, again, the conversation they had in the car before,

0:50:11.150 --> 0:50:14.670
<v Speaker 2>how crash is it, is so wooden and stilted and weird.

0:50:15.390 --> 0:50:18.339
<v Speaker 3>And then he says, I'm sorry, Junior, and just jumps out.

0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:24.420
<v Speaker 2>It's so strange as if something is passing between them

0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:28.109
<v Speaker 2>some kind of other message, like, here's what we're going

0:50:28.190 --> 0:50:33.130
<v Speaker 2>to do. And I feel like it's not crazy to

0:50:33.210 --> 0:50:35.450
<v Speaker 2>wonder if we're going to get some sort of other

0:50:35.550 --> 0:50:41.089
<v Speaker 2>flashback where Jon and Hal, no ring, like, they take

0:50:41.130 --> 0:50:43.230
<v Speaker 2>off the ring. You know, like, somewhere where they can

0:50:43.270 --> 0:50:45.480
<v Speaker 2>just talk to themselves are like, here's what I think is...

0:50:45.550 --> 0:50:48.089
<v Speaker 2>And they somehow come to agreement, like, listen, we can't

0:50:48.130 --> 0:50:52.509
<v Speaker 2>trust the Guardians. We can't trust Zoe. Here's what I

0:50:52.550 --> 0:50:59.190
<v Speaker 2>think is happening. Because it does... seem like Sinestro told

0:50:59.310 --> 0:51:02.970
<v Speaker 2>Hal something else. That we don't know because we haven't

0:51:03.070 --> 0:51:07.069
<v Speaker 2>seen the whole conversation. There's got to be something else

0:51:07.950 --> 0:51:13.290
<v Speaker 2>that he knows. And again, watch that conversation in the car.

0:51:13.410 --> 0:51:19.029
<v Speaker 2>It is weird. It is strange. And John's reaction to

0:51:19.090 --> 0:51:21.569
<v Speaker 2>what Hal is saying and the way he says stuff

0:51:21.590 --> 0:51:24.710
<v Speaker 2>back to him is so like wooden and blocky that...

0:51:25.520 --> 0:51:29.620
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It feels like a setup somehow. And

0:51:30.100 --> 0:51:34.060
<v Speaker 2>it's obviously a major leap. I don't believe that Hal

0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 2>is stupid enough to leave John to die or ruthless. Right.

0:51:38.380 --> 0:51:42.090
<v Speaker 2>Like he's not that guy. Whatever he is, he's not that.

0:51:42.890 --> 0:51:47.029
<v Speaker 1>Is he careless enough to leave and think John could

0:51:47.050 --> 0:51:48.790
<v Speaker 1>get out of it as some kind of test?

0:51:48.870 --> 0:51:52.520
<v Speaker 3>Like, is he reckless enough? and to not see that.

0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:54.779
<v Speaker 1>Or is it, if we look at what we've seen

0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:57.739
<v Speaker 1>John done, is it unlikely that he would get trapped

0:51:57.800 --> 0:51:59.609
<v Speaker 1>in a car like that? Like, we've seen this man

0:51:59.630 --> 0:52:02.209
<v Speaker 1>just punch through a window, punch through a door. Like,

0:52:02.370 --> 0:52:05.210
<v Speaker 1>is it unlikely, which would add to your theory, Jason,

0:52:05.530 --> 0:52:07.719
<v Speaker 1>that he allowed himself to be in that situation, which

0:52:07.780 --> 0:52:08.620
<v Speaker 1>I think is crazy.

0:52:09.060 --> 0:52:14.089
<v Speaker 2>I think here's my case for allow. It may not

0:52:14.250 --> 0:52:18.320
<v Speaker 2>always be that the Manhunter, that characters that we know

0:52:18.430 --> 0:52:21.940
<v Speaker 2>are not the Manhunter now, were not being played by

0:52:22.060 --> 0:52:23.660
<v Speaker 2>Zoe at different points.

0:52:24.040 --> 0:52:25.960
<v Speaker 3>Exactly. I think that's the case.

0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:31.420
<v Speaker 2>And so Hal would be thinking, we need to really

0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:34.359
<v Speaker 2>make sure we get her in the position like that.

0:52:34.420 --> 0:52:37.670
<v Speaker 2>It is the Manhunter. And the way to do it

0:52:37.710 --> 0:52:42.460
<v Speaker 2>would be, John, who is... very strong, is valued by

0:52:42.500 --> 0:52:44.800
<v Speaker 2>the Green Lantern Corps. They want him for some reason.

0:52:45.660 --> 0:52:48.390
<v Speaker 2>She gets the opportunity. And Zoe wants power.

0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:49.030
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:51.290
<v Speaker 2>And she gets the opportunity to make him the same

0:52:51.390 --> 0:52:54.109
<v Speaker 2>offer that she made to everybody else, which is, I'll

0:52:54.150 --> 0:52:57.930
<v Speaker 2>heal you. I'll make you healthy again, but you need

0:52:57.969 --> 0:53:03.090
<v Speaker 2>to protect me. So Hal is not just the bait

0:53:03.290 --> 0:53:07.130
<v Speaker 2>in that moment. John was perhaps, if this theory is correct,

0:53:07.550 --> 0:53:11.420
<v Speaker 2>the bait by luring her out, by getting her in

0:53:11.440 --> 0:53:16.360
<v Speaker 2>the position to make that offer and knowing it's definitely her.

0:53:17.020 --> 0:53:19.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It just feels like it could be

0:53:19.780 --> 0:53:20.200
<v Speaker 2>the case.

0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:23.060
<v Speaker 1>Because before I was like, okay, so what would the

0:53:23.140 --> 0:53:26.180
<v Speaker 1>deep cover really be for? But if it is simply

0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:29.410
<v Speaker 1>to lure her out and confirm because she makes the offer,

0:53:29.750 --> 0:53:31.490
<v Speaker 1>that's actually very long game.

0:53:31.989 --> 0:53:34.150
<v Speaker 3>I like that a lot. It makes a lot of sense.

0:53:34.270 --> 0:53:39.430
<v Speaker 1>And also, I got to say, John just shooting her

0:53:39.489 --> 0:53:43.200
<v Speaker 1>in the head after Hal said, like, Green Lanterns don't kill.

0:53:43.580 --> 0:53:45.520
<v Speaker 3>We don't do that. I wonder if the two of

0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:47.759
<v Speaker 3>them are kind of breaking off from it.

0:53:47.820 --> 0:53:50.660
<v Speaker 1>Like, if this is what you're saying, like, maybe it's

0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:52.790
<v Speaker 1>this notion of like, yeah, we're not fucking Green Lanterns, actually.

0:53:52.810 --> 0:53:54.290
<v Speaker 2>Green Lanterns don't kill the Green Lanterns.

0:53:54.330 --> 0:53:55.710
<v Speaker 3>You know, there's something like that.

0:53:56.430 --> 0:53:58.870
<v Speaker 2>But the Green Lantern didn't kill. And so that's the

0:53:58.930 --> 0:54:03.320
<v Speaker 2>other thing is... I think a lot of John refusing

0:54:03.360 --> 0:54:06.420
<v Speaker 2>the ring is this intense pressure. And, you know, we've

0:54:06.440 --> 0:54:10.430
<v Speaker 2>seen this with, with athletes who are young athletes, you know,

0:54:10.469 --> 0:54:11.390
<v Speaker 2>who all of a sudden just be like, I don't

0:54:11.410 --> 0:54:13.630
<v Speaker 2>want to do this anymore on the, by the same token.

0:54:13.670 --> 0:54:18.670
<v Speaker 2>I think there's also something, there's also something to, if

0:54:18.770 --> 0:54:22.070
<v Speaker 2>they want me to have this ring, I shouldn't because

0:54:22.110 --> 0:54:27.540
<v Speaker 2>something's wrong. Like maybe how, right. And so him refusing it,

0:54:28.420 --> 0:54:32.550
<v Speaker 2>how still having it, Him not being a Green Lantern,

0:54:32.570 --> 0:54:36.170
<v Speaker 2>so therefore being able to kill. It seems too neat

0:54:36.989 --> 0:54:39.469
<v Speaker 2>from Hal and John. I don't know. Even though it

0:54:39.550 --> 0:54:44.930
<v Speaker 2>seems like they're on the outs, it's too perfect the

0:54:44.950 --> 0:54:45.730
<v Speaker 2>way it worked out.

0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Truthfully, I would be arguing this more if this had

0:54:50.660 --> 0:54:52.839
<v Speaker 1>been the finale, because I think this is such a cool,

0:54:52.900 --> 0:54:55.450
<v Speaker 1>interesting conflict place to build a season two on. But

0:54:55.770 --> 0:54:59.310
<v Speaker 1>because we have three more episodes, it's giving there are reveals.

0:54:59.550 --> 0:55:00.669
<v Speaker 3>This is not the end.

0:55:01.190 --> 0:55:03.969
<v Speaker 1>So I wouldn't be surprised if in our finale, perhaps,

0:55:04.430 --> 0:55:06.960
<v Speaker 1>that's when we get our Guy Gardner, maybe Superman, a

0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:09.640
<v Speaker 1>little Justice League, and Hal and John break it down

0:55:09.700 --> 0:55:11.240
<v Speaker 1>what really happened or something.

0:55:11.340 --> 0:55:13.000
<v Speaker 3>I could definitely see them going that way.

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<v Speaker 2>On the next episode of X-Ray Vision, we're diving into

0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:19.700
<v Speaker 2>the next installment of Impending Doomsday with Captain America, the

0:55:19.739 --> 0:55:23.200
<v Speaker 2>first Avenger. And of course, next week, more lanterns. That's

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<v Speaker 2>it for this episode. Thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye.

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