1 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: A twenty year old girl goes jogging and she's never 2 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: seen alive again. Jury selection commences in the case of 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: Molly Tibbitts. This is how it started. This is not 4 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: like her. Dalton Jack is living in a nightmare. I figured, 5 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: you know, i'd speak to her in an hour or so, 6 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: and right now it's one he can't wake up from. 7 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: I came home as soon as her mom said that 8 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: she called the hospital when she wasn't there. The last 9 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 1: time the twenty year old saw Molly was on Wednesday 10 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: at ten pm when he opened a snapchat from her. 11 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: It was just a selfie with the caption and I 12 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: don't remember what the caption said, but it looked like 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: she was inside. He never thought he wouldn't hear from 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: her again. When he said her early Thursday morning, he 15 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: didn't notice the message hadn't been read until her friend 16 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: called Late that afternoon. One of her co workers called 17 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: me and said Molly had not called in to work 18 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: that day and she hadn't showed up. And then I 19 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: looked at the messages and she hadn't opened or read 20 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: any of them. So I started getting in contact with 21 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: her friends and her family, saying hey, have you seen her? 22 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: Have you heard from her? And everybody came up with 23 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: the same thing. No, I haven't seen her since yesterday. 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: That very scenario throws suspicion immediately on the long time 25 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: boyfriend at who's home Molly was staying. You were hearing 26 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: from our friends Angelina Salcito w o I t V 27 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: five there in Des Moines. The search was on from 28 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: Molly Tibbits. You know they're listening. Then I would just 29 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: like them to know that imagine this was you. Everybody 30 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: has a Molly in their life, a person that has 31 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: affected her them in a way that she affected everybody 32 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: standing up here right now, and imagine if this was you. 33 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: Somebody had taken your Molly when you want to help, 34 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: when you want her back, how would you feel. Just 35 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: do the right thing and you know, let her go. 36 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: Pretty much, you were hearing Dalton Jack, that's Molly's boyfriend 37 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 1: at whose place she was staying, and went through everything 38 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: into a quandary. Was she released video and in the 39 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: background you could see his place. It looked as if 40 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: she was doing her homework there in his place where 41 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: she was staying and taking care of the dogs. That 42 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: get suspicion on the boyfriend, but yet you hear him 43 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: speaking out. That's very rare for a suspect to speak out. 44 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: Remember Scott Peterson, he shied away from the cameras in 45 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: the microphones when Lacy Peterson goes missing, but not Dalton 46 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: Jack New Listen to crime stoppers, Greg Wially, what we're 47 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: trying to do is shake the tree. We want somebody 48 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: to come forward, even if they're even if it's not real. 49 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: At least it started a conversation with somebody. Somebody might 50 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: know that there she's being held by somebody, but would 51 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: never say anything because if they've said something, they may 52 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: think that reciprocity or their life might be in danger. 53 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: We can guarantee that whoever gives us information up their 54 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: identity will be predicted. When they put in the tip, 55 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: they get a random number that matches that tip. So 56 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: if you're one, two, three, four five, they'd have to 57 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: contact us back and say, hey, I saw in the media. Well, 58 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: in this case, if they got them, if they've got 59 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: Molly Collin and say hey, I see there's a reward, 60 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: I want to let her go, and then then that 61 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: negotiation will be done with the law enforcement. A reward 62 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: a reward issued leading to the discovery of Molly Tibbets. 63 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: Her father weighs in. Here's Sagra Smith at Fox News, Robin, 64 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: was the last time you talk to Molly? I talked 65 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: to Molly Sunday for about three hours. We talked regularly 66 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: on the phone. I live in California. She was out 67 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: earlier this year from my wedding, and so we just 68 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: talked about She's going to the Dominican Republic for a wedding, 69 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: her boyfriend's brother, She's getting back to school. As you 70 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: can hear Molly's father speaking, that's Rob Tibbots. I see 71 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: that so often with victims families. Everything is so normal, 72 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: so in place, and then it's hard to face the 73 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: reality that things are not normal, not normal at all. 74 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: That was her dad. Listen to her mom speaking to 75 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: kse Cci. It is just, you know, an emotional roller coaster. 76 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: It's a nightmare. She's unable to wake up from. Laura 77 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: Calderwood can't look anywhere in her hometown of Brooklyn, Iowa 78 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: without seeing her daughter, Molly's face on a missing person poster. 79 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: It's a reality check every time I see one of 80 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: those posters. Also, you know, it's like she's gone. Twenty 81 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: year old Molly Tibbots vanished nearly two weeks ago. Her 82 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: mom immediately knew something bad must have happened. They knew 83 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,559 Speaker 1: something was terribly wrong. She would not go to work. 84 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: My greatest fear is that we wouldn't find her. But 85 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: I can't go there right now. Calderwood says Molly was 86 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: seen out on a jog around seven thirty pm on 87 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: July eighteenth. To the best of my knowledge, I believe 88 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: she did make it home from the run and was 89 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: in Dalton's home. The family says evidence shows Tibbots was 90 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: doing homework on her computer after her John that night, 91 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: or was she As the mom and the dad try 92 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: to face the new normal their daughter missing, the search 93 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: ensue ensues. Here's ABC's Alex Perez. The search for missing 94 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: Molly Tibbots has come to a tragic end today. A 95 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: body was discovered early this morning in a farm field 96 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: southeast of Brooklyn, Iowa. We believe it to be the 97 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: body of Molly Tibbots. She was found in a field 98 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: and there were cornstocks placed over the top of her, 99 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: and tonight a suspect in custody. Twenty four year old 100 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: Christian Rivera. Police a Rivera led them to her body 101 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: this morning and confessed to her murder. The case will 102 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: be prosecuted by the Iowa Attorney General's Area of Prosecution Division, 103 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: and first degree murder carries a penalty of life without 104 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:26,119 Speaker 1: the possibility of parole. According to authorities, Rivera encountered Molly 105 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: tibbots near the intersection of Boundary and Middle Streets in 106 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: eastern Brooklyn while she was out Johnkie. He actually tells 107 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: us that he ran alongside of her or behind her, 108 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: and then at one point he tells us that Molly 109 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: grabbed a hold of her phone and said, you need 110 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: to leave me alone. I'm going to call the police, 111 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: and then she took off running. He in turn chased 112 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: her down with me an all star panel. At this hour, 113 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: jury's selection of Vadier is underway in the trial of 114 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: Christian Bahina Rivera, aged twenty six age twenty four at 115 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: the time, in the murder of this young girl, twenty 116 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: year old Iowa college student Molly tibbitts with me. Francy Haykes, 117 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: you know her well, former federal prosecutor, podcasts Best Best Case, 118 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: Worst Case, senior producer, Fox's America's most Wanted doctor Angela Arnold, 119 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrists, joining us from the Atlanta jurisdiction, Professor forensics, 120 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star 121 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: of a new series, The Piketon Massacre returned to Pike 122 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: County on iHeartRadio, Joseph Scott Morgan for First to Emmy 123 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: Award nominated reporter anchor an Jeanette Levy joining us in Davenport, 124 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: Iowa for the trial. Anjeanette Levy, what's happening well, Nancy. 125 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: All of the jurors showed up, the prospective jurors this morning. 126 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: They are being held in a it's basically a huge 127 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: convention center area, a huge room that's been transformed almost 128 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: into a courtroom for jury selection because of COVID. Their 129 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: distanced their seats, they're six six feet apart. They're about 130 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: two hundred people in there right now and there. It's 131 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: a slow start so far. They're just getting started with 132 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: printing off things for the jurors. The questioning will begin momentarily. 133 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: Christian Bahana Rivera is in there with his attorneys, as 134 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: are the prosecutors in the case. So jury selest year 135 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: and is expectant take to take about two days climb 136 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Let me understand something, Anjanette, leave 137 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: you with us, I mean nominated reporter and anchor. The location, 138 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: the venue of this trial has been moved from the 139 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: original location where the murder occurred to I believe, and 140 00:08:55,160 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: that would be Woodland County to Sue City and now 141 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: finally Davenport, which is Scott County. Is that correct? That's correct. 142 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: It's Scott County, Davenport, Iowa. It's about it an hour 143 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: and forty minutes from where this happened. And why the 144 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: three changes a venue, Anjanette, Well, they've been really concerned 145 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: about the amount of pre trial publicity in this case. 146 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: This made international news and really in twenty eighteen when 147 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: it happened, the governor spoke out again about it because 148 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: the Hana Rivera is an undocumented immigrant. The President of 149 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: the United States with that time, President Trump, he spoke 150 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: about this on the campaign trail and in rallies that 151 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: he would hold. Really people were using this to try 152 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: to say we need tougher immigration laws. But Molly Timbotz's 153 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: parents have said that her she wouldn't want that. She 154 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: was not against immigration or people trying to come to 155 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: this country to improve their lives, so they don't want 156 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: her dath to politicize. So there's been a tremendous amount 157 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: of publicity surrounding this case. Francy changing v is nothing new. 158 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: It happens all the time, and I haven't no doubt 159 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: there will be a jury impaneled that says they can 160 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: be fair and impartial. First of all, not everybody cares 161 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: what the media says alert And second it's been done 162 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: before and much more highly publicized cases. Well, you're right 163 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: about that, Nancy. And the reason for a change of venue, 164 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: of course, is because the judge wants to ensure that 165 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: he gets that fair and impartial jury. And here, as 166 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll agree with me, as in every case 167 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: the case is one or lost in jury selection, who 168 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: you put on the jury, who is going on who's 169 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: going to vote on guilt or innocence is where the 170 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: case is one or lost. It's so important to get 171 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: jurors who can be fair and impartial, but most importantly, 172 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: can be discerning. Jurors can actually separate the wheat from 173 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: the chaff and ignore the crazy, you know, balls in 174 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: the air, distractions of the defect, this attorney is going 175 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: to throw and focus on the actual evidence of the case. 176 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: And so I hope that's what happened. The defense attorney 177 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: has a lot of mud to sling in this and 178 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: let me tell you, we've already had statements thrown out 179 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: because a translator recited Miranda. Guys who were talking about 180 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: the trial jury selection happening right now in an Iowa 181 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: court room in the case of a young jogger, absolutely 182 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: stunning Molly Tibbitts last known to be at her longtime 183 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: boyfriend's home. She was taking care of the home while 184 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: he was away taking care of the dogs, and she 185 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: showed up in a video a FaceTime or snapchat and 186 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: you can clearly see the background. Then she goes on 187 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: a jog. That timeline confusion led to a lot of 188 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: problems and a very bumpy road in the investigation. But 189 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: what we're hearing now is that even with two changes 190 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: the venue, still there's going to be difficulty striking and 191 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: in martial jury. That jury selection is going on right now. 192 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: A Jeanette, let me ask you this, is there going 193 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: to be sequestration for the jury. No, Nancy, there will 194 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: not be a sequestration of the jury. Well, let's have 195 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: they keep it that way, guys. The trial is commencing. 196 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: What will the jury here, We'll take a listen to 197 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: Alex Perez at ABC. According to authorities, Rivera then panicked 198 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: and got mat He tells us that at some point 199 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: in time he blacks out, and then he comes to 200 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: near an intersection. Rivera toldfully he then drove to a 201 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: cornfield and Guernsey, where he dragged tibots on foot for 202 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: twenty meters and left her face up and covered in 203 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: corn leaves. No one has said this was a sexually 204 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: driven crime, but it certainly fits the pattern of dozens 205 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: and dozens of sexual predator attack type crimes. Authorities saying 206 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: autopsy is being done and have not yet released a 207 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: cause of death. Rivera has been charged with first degree murder, 208 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: and of course, in this jurisdiction there is no death penalty. 209 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: The death penalty was abolished for the second time in 210 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: Iowa around nineteen sixty five. Therefore, you can kill as 211 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: many people as you want to in that jurisdiction, even 212 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: when you're behind bars, and you will not get the 213 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: death penalty, you know. Joe Scott Morgan Professor Forensics, Jacksonville 214 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, 215 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: death investigator Joe Scott. The scenario I understand is that 216 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: Rivera and I'm going to circle back to you, Joe 217 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: Scott about forensics regarding his very distinctive black Chevy Malibu 218 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: with quote unusual markings on the side which really led 219 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: to his arrest. But tell me if this is your understanding, 220 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: and I want you to connect it to what we 221 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: know about in the autopsy. The perpetrator illegal immigrant or 222 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: as Anginette Levy says, unlicensed worker Christian Bahina. Rivera is 223 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: driving along and his black Chevy Malibu. He sees Molly 224 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: Tibbets minding her own business jogging. She is wearing fluorescent 225 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: tennis shoes, a pink jogging bra, and running shorts. I 226 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: believe she had earbuds in her ear and she's jogging 227 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: after finishing a ton of work for school. It's in 228 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: the early evening, still quasi daylight. He speaks to her, 229 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: she continues to run. He gets out of his vehicle 230 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: starts jogging along beside her, then tries to grab her. 231 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: I guess iPhone or a device she had in her hand. 232 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: She then says, get away from me, leave me alone, 233 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: or I'll call nine one. That infuriates him. Then he 234 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: says he quote blacks out, and the next thing he 235 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: remembers is that he looks down, sees her earpiece in 236 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: his lap or hand, and suddenly realizes, oh, her body 237 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: is in the trunk. Then hides the body, drags the 238 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: body and hides it and curbs it with cornstalks. Is 239 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: that your understanding of the facts, Yes, it is, Nancy, 240 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: That is my understanding of the facts. Okay, how I'm 241 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: going to prove that forensically? Well, I think that probably 242 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: one of the key things here is you mentioned her phone. Um, 243 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: you know he's he's talking about this like he's given 244 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: them the roadmap here. Nancy's saying that, you know, she 245 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: held out jo Joscott Morgan, Look, yeah, I know that 246 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: you are a renowned death investigator. But there's a little 247 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: thing called miranda Miranda rights. Come on, you see him 248 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: on TV. You have the right to remain silent and 249 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: anything you say will be held against you in a 250 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: court of law. Here's a problem. None of that's coming 251 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: in because he spoke to police for hours, hours and 252 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: the translator omitted, whether honest mistake or not, the one phrase. 253 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: Anything you say will be held against you in a 254 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: court of law. She left that phrase out. She says 255 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: she recited it from memory and didn't read her card 256 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: that you're supposed to read it off of Hello police 257 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: training one oh one. So none of that's going to 258 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: come in. Yeah, it's not going to come in. But 259 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: what we do know. What we do know is that 260 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: there can be electronic tracking and specifically where she was 261 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: with that phone. Now, if that happens to marry up 262 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: with a comment that he made, God bless him, so 263 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: be it. But we can put her in that position 264 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: where she disappeared or vanished from that moment in tom 265 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: and then she was taken off and God only knows 266 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: what he did with her after that. So yeah, he 267 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: was not mirandaised appropriately. Okay, but you still have this 268 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: electronic fingerprint that we all carry now and it follows 269 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: us everywhere we go. And that's solid evidence. Nanthw Hey, 270 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: there's something else. I don't believe her fitbit or the 271 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: murder weapon were ever found, And anybody jump in if 272 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: you know more, if there's been a development in the evidence, 273 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: I want to hear it. I find that very significant 274 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: because in my mind, action is taken immediately after the 275 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: deed under the law come in as evidence. They go 276 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: to scheme, frame of mind, of course of conduct, knowledge 277 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: of guilt. Okay, and I think I know who it 278 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: was the defendant, which is indication of guilt. Jump in, 279 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: is that, Francy? Yeah, Francy hikes here. You know, I 280 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: think it's really interesting and significant that we're not going 281 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: to be able to use or the jury is not 282 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: going to be able to hear the defendant effective confession. 283 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: But really the police have something almost as good, and 284 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: that is that he led them to the body. We 285 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: not only have the French evidence on video seeing his truck, 286 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: but we have him leading police to his body. And 287 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: that's not suppressed. That is not suppressed, Francy. And another 288 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 1: thing you're right as usual, Francy, is that when he 289 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: led them to the body, which I mean, let me 290 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: break it down. If you're leading police to and as 291 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: of yet undiscovered body, how did you know where the 292 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: body was? It clearly shows that he's the killer. But 293 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: at that time he was remorandized correctly, and he continued talking. 294 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: Those statements will come in crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 295 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 1: Listen to the aspect you Jesscott Morgan, you're talking about 296 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: technology proving this case. Listen to this, Joe Scott. So 297 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: her phone, I think she was listening to music with 298 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: and their iPods don't run with earphones earbuds. Please don't 299 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: as tempting as it is. I have to tell my 300 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: daughter this all the time. It shows on the phone movements, 301 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, I'm gonna let you explain this that she 302 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: apparently running along this rural road where there's no crime ever, 303 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: and then suddenly she's speeding away as if she's in 304 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: a car. That's what her cell phone shows. Joe Scott explain. Yeah, 305 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, I've got a fitness tracker on my phone 306 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: as well, Nancy, and it actually records pace. It will 307 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: demonstrate electronically. It gives a record of how fast you're 308 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,959 Speaker 1: moving at a particular time. It'll even show changes in elevation, Nancy, 309 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: did you know that it'll change It'll show you directions, 310 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: changes in elevation. It'll show you temperature, which is absolutely 311 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: fascinating me. When I get back from a run, I'll 312 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: check this sort of thing. So the amount of information 313 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: that is detailed and contained, are in and held that 314 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: you can go back in resource. I can look at 315 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: my phone, go back months and months and months and 316 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: look at my progress. Shame with this, okay. So if 317 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: you're telling you go back months and months to look 318 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: at your elevation, I'm gonna cook you up. With doctor 319 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: Angela Arnold when we finished today, we are talking about 320 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: the disappearance and the murder of just a beautiful young 321 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: girl on the inside and out, twenty year old Molly Tibbots, 322 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: a student there at Iowa State University. I want you 323 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: to take a listen to our friends at ABC seven. 324 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: Christian Rivera used false identification to get hired, his employer 325 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: said today. The murder suspect worked at a well known 326 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: Iowa dairy farm for four years. The owners, calling him 327 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: a good worker, also say they were stunned to hear 328 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 1: he allegedly led police to Molly Tibbot's body in a 329 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: cornfield a quote good worker. He may have been a 330 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: good worker, but what he did on his own time 331 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: is coming into play in this court of law. The 332 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: trial underway with jury selection. I agree with former prosecutor 333 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: Francy Hikes, who says the case is one or lost. 334 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: Once you strike a jury, once you put the twelve 335 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: in the box, Frankly, it's over. You've got to know 336 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: how to strike a jury. Now, listen to our friend 337 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: Rob Elgis at ABC seven. Mister Rivera, did you kill 338 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: Molly Tabbeth? Shackled and guarded, Christian Rivera arrives at a 339 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: court hearing, escorted by deputies, The twenty four year old 340 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: facing a judge, mister Rivera, you have been charged with 341 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: murder in the first degree, A translator at his side, 342 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: and his girlfriend and family in the courtroom. Authorities say 343 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: Rivera confess to abducting and killing Molly Tibbots while she 344 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: was out for a jog. Detectives use surveillance video to 345 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: hunt down Rivera, trained by frame and in real time emotion, 346 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: and eventually saw Molly on the video led us to 347 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: mister Rivera identifying the vehicle. According to investigators, Rivera was 348 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,959 Speaker 1: here illegally. The owner of the farm where he worked 349 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: says Rivera lied. What we learned in the last twenty 350 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: four hours is that our employee was not who he 351 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: said he was. The farm now says when they hired Rivera, 352 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: they screened him through an older system instead of Homeland 353 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: Securities e Verify. Rivera is being held on a five 354 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: million dollar bond. Tonight, the Tibbets family released a statement 355 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: saying their hearts are broken. They thanked everyone for their support. 356 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: Autopsy results might take four to eight weeks, but some 357 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: results could come as soon as this week. Joining us 358 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: at the courthouse is Anjeanette Levy, Emmy nominated reporter and anchor. 359 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: But to you, doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists, joining us 360 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angie, you hear what 361 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: the defense is going to be. Now, If the defense 362 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: lawyers had a choice in this, they may have chosen 363 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: another their defense, but they're stuck with this. They're locked 364 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: into it. The blacking out defense because the defendant stated 365 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: that at the time of arrest and after his Miranda warning, 366 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: that he blacked out after he approached her on foot 367 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: getting out of his Chevy Malibu yanking the phone out 368 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: of her hand. The next thing he remembers is looking, 369 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: according to him, is looking down and seeing her earbuds 370 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: in his hand or lap in the car and suddenly realizing, oh, 371 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: I put her in the trunk. What is that out? 372 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: I don't buy it, Nancy, I don't buy it. I 373 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: also don't know how he was able to come up 374 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: with us number three. I don't know how they're ever 375 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: going to prove that was he wearing a fitbit that 376 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: showed him pass out. There is no way that they 377 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: are ever going to be able to prove that the 378 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: Sky had some sort of passing out while he killed 379 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: her and conveniently woke up to find her body in 380 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: the trunk of his car. And I'm just sorry, I 381 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: don't buy that at all. I am a little bit 382 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: interested to know how he had the wherewithal to come 383 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: up with that. Has he used that before? Has he 384 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: ever done anything like this to anyone before? Does he 385 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: have a history of mental illness? Does he have a 386 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: seizure disorder? Does he have a seizure disorder that he's 387 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: being treated for that makes him blackout? But there was 388 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: too much planning on his part beforehand, and was he 389 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: on drugs? So there are a lot of questions that 390 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: need to be answered here before we can believe if 391 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: this man blacked out while he conveniently killed this beautiful 392 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: young woman. We are live at the courthouse with Anginette Levy, 393 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: Emmy nominated reporter and anchor as sequestration excuse me, a 394 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: jury selection voidier begins incidentally French to speak the truth? 395 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: Where are questioned? Typically at first they'll be questioned as 396 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: a group, for instance, do all of you live in 397 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: this county Scott County, Davenport. If they're not registered to 398 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: that county, they can't sit on that jury. They may 399 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: be asked as a group, or have any of you 400 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: or someone you know ever been convicted of a crime 401 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: or accused even wrongly accused of a crime? General group 402 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: questions and then if someone raises their hand, those people 403 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: will be questioned individually. But yes, Francy Haig's former federal 404 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: prosecutor and podcast star A best case, a worst case, Francy. 405 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: When you're striking a jury, you can get people on 406 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: a jury that have heard about the case, but no 407 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: one is allowed that has formed an opinion or thinks 408 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: they cannot be fair or impartial. That's how you you 409 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: strike a jury. That's right, nanswer, And you know it's funny. 410 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: It's called jury selection, of course, but I always called 411 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: it jury selection because you remember, go ahead, oh well 412 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: that too. But all you can really do is strike 413 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: the jurors. I also call it this is a real 414 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: dirty little secret. I also used to call it weed 415 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: the whackos, because all you could really do is get 416 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: rid of the people who seem too eager or too 417 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: biased one way or the other, and you're sort of 418 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: stuck with the people in the middle. And can I 419 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: just say one quick thing about what the doctor said, Nancy. 420 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: It's such a great point because she brings up, how 421 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 1: are they going to get in the evidence that the 422 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: defendant claims he blacked out? And I can virtually guarantee 423 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: you that defendant is never going to take the stand 424 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: in this no way. So how is the defense going 425 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: to present any defense at all? And I think the 426 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: doctor's right, it's got to be medical evidence if they 427 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: have any, which I highly doubt, although you and I 428 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: both know that they'll be able to find someone that 429 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 1: they can pay. You're to say just about anything as 430 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: long as you pay them. You're absolutely right. But another thing, 431 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: that first part of his confession is disallowed, but what 432 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: he said as he was leading police to Molly's body, 433 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: and what he said upon a second miranda statement will 434 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: be allowed. In so I think him stating he blacked 435 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: out will come into evidence, but you're right, without him 436 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: testifying to it, it will not carry the same weight. 437 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: And again, this jury will be instructed during for adire 438 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: jury selection, throughout the trial, and before the close of 439 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: the trial that they are not to hold it against 440 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: the defendant that he did not testify. And I used 441 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: to love it when the judge would have to say 442 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: that over and over and over under the law, because 443 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: it only highlighted the defendant can't take the stand because 444 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: they're lying, they can't hold up on cross examination. You're 445 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: going to hear over and over that under the Fifth Amendment. 446 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: You have a right to remain silent, and you may 447 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 1: quote take the Fifth You're not going to testify and 448 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: you have the right to do that under the constitution. 449 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace right now, jury's selection before 450 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: we put the cart before the horse is going on 451 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: right now in an Iowa courtroom in an area where crime, 452 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: much less murder, is unheard of. Guys, take a listen 453 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: to this. According to a preliminary autopsy report, Molly Tibbots 454 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: died from multiple sharp force injuries, indicating that she was 455 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: stabbed to death. Mister Rivera, did you feel Molly' tibbits 456 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: ordering the suspect of twenty four year old Christian Rivera 457 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: held on a five million dollar cash bond. Mister Rivera, 458 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: you have been charged with murder in the first degree. 459 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: Investigators say Rivera followed Tibbots when she was out for 460 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: a run, abducted and killed her, then put her in 461 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: the trunk of his car, and dumped her body in 462 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: a cornfield. This morning, we are learning more details about Rivera. 463 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: His girlfriend, Iris Minars, who attended the bail hearing, attended 464 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: the same high school as Molly. Yearbook photos show them 465 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: both at the school. They appear to even have been 466 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: friends on Facebook, but investigators maintain there is no evidence 467 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: they actually knew each other, saying in a small tone, 468 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: it's not unusual for people who go to the same 469 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: school together to be friends on Facebook without being personally acquainted. 470 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: That's absolutely true. I don't know if the Facebook connection 471 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: is even going to come into evidence. But speaking of evidence, 472 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: take a listen now to our friend Matt Finn at 473 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: Fox News. Guys, we are talking about jury selection. It's 474 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: going down right now in an Iowa courtroom in the 475 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: long awaited trial in the death of Molly Tibbots. Take 476 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: a listen to Matt Finn. Twenty four year old Christian 477 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: Rivera is expected to appear at Powaschee County Court charged 478 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: with first degree murder in the death of Molly Tibbots. 479 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: Police say that Rivera confessed on July eighteenth, the day 480 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: that Molly Tibbots disappeared. He followed her on her jog 481 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: and she became frightened and got on her cell phone 482 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: and said, get away from me. I'm going to call police. 483 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: And at that point he blacked out and says he 484 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: doesn't remember what happened next, but that Molly Tibbots ended 485 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: up in his trunk with the bloody square. Ultimately, police 486 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: tracked down Rivera and he led them to Tibot's body 487 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: that he says he hid in a corn field. You 488 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: know the way that they said that is so interesting 489 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: to me. That he came upon her and then she 490 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: quote ended up in his trunk. Okay to you. Joseph S. 491 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: Goot Morgan, Professor forensics Jacksonville State University and author death 492 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: investigator jose got Morgan, not only it's her fitbit missing, 493 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: the murder weapon missing, but the way he was really 494 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: found was because of quote unusual markings on his black 495 00:30:53,920 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: Chevy Malibu spotted in a neighbors surveillance video at their home. 496 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: And they see Molly tib Is jogging by. Then they 497 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: see is black Chevy Malibu going forward and backward and 498 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: forward and backward like reversing, then going back by her 499 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: again and then reversing going by her again. What do 500 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: you think it is about that Chevy Malibu that has 501 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: been described as having quote unusual markings and what was 502 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: found in the trunk? Well, let me let me just 503 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: there are a lot of Chevy Malibus out there, Nancy. 504 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: You ride around and see them just about it anywhere. 505 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: But something that draws to mind for a witness in particular, 506 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: some kind of marking, some kind of design, super instance, 507 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: it's on a car, that's going to make it stick 508 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: out in your mind. Particularly. Let's think about how small 509 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: this little town is, Nancy. I mean, it's tiny, very tiny, 510 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: and it's going to stand out, and particularly if you're 511 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: doing odd kind of things with your car, you're have 512 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: anematic recall on that when they think back to seeing 513 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: this young woman jogged down the street. Now to a 514 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: bigger point here, for me. This guy can black out 515 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: all he wants. He can say that he doesn't remember 516 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: this he does. He can say he doesn't remember that. However, 517 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: you know what doesn't diminish science, and the fact that 518 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: we know that Molly Tibbitts DNA was found in that 519 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: trunk is significant. So where are you going to try 520 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: to argue if you're the defense? Yeah, this guy is 521 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: just so kind. He didn't know Molly, but he decided 522 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: to give her a ride in the back of his car. 523 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: A matter of fact, not just in the backseat, but 524 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: in the trunk. He held her there. Let me tell 525 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: you why this is significant. This is significant because we know, 526 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: as you stated earlier, as a reporter stated earlier, her 527 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: cause of death, Nancy, are multiple stab wounds. Now, I 528 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: worked a lot of deaths in my life. Okay, people 529 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: think gunshot wounds are bloody, They got nothing on stab wounds. 530 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: And let me tell you what happens. You're going to 531 00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: be losing a tremendous amount of DNA blood. This is 532 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: not like a partial or touch DNA, This is intact strands, Nancy, 533 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: he would have had her DNA on him. I'd like 534 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: to know where his clothes are because he would have 535 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: literally had to have cradled her and this is very 536 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: sad in his arms like child, in order to get 537 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: her into that trunk, in order to leverage her in there, 538 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: and it takes all kinds of points of contact where 539 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: you've got blood that's dripping everywhere. So we've looked for 540 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: that at a scene. Even if you try to clean 541 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: it up, we're gonna find it. And her DNA is 542 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: in that trunk and there's no way to explain it away. 543 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: I think my biggest thing here is I want to 544 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: know what the status of her body was as far 545 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: as her clothing, because I got to tell you, you you 546 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: does you just don't stop and slaughter a young woman 547 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: just at random. I think that there's a sexual motivation. 548 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: I want to know what the status of her club were, 549 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: clothes missing, I don't know that where they ripped off? 550 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: You know what did he do with her body during 551 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: this blacked out time? And that's key here because not 552 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: only if there's a sexual component, not only will you 553 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: find her DNA in his trunk, there's an outside possibility 554 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: that you might find his DNA deposited within her as 555 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: sad as that is to doctor Angela Arnold psychistra is 556 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: joining us, doctor Angie. Again, everyone, the jury selection is 557 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: underway right now, and that means a trial has commenced. 558 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: Those jurars being sworn in just like a witness, that 559 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 1: they are to tell the truth as they commence answering 560 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: questions by both the prosecution, the defense, and the judge. 561 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: If necessary, it will start with four to ten and 562 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: paneling questions regarding whether they can be honest, whether they 563 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: can be impartial, whether they live in that jurisdiction. We're 564 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: waiting for the actual general questions to start with this jury. 565 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: And again, as you heard prosecutor former prosecutor Francie has say, 566 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: once you put the gerars in the box, strike your jury, 567 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 1: the cases one are lost right there. To doctor Angela Arnold, 568 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,479 Speaker 1: there may not be a sex component to this case, 569 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: ie rate or sonomy, But I agree with Joe Scott 570 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: Morgan in the sense that this may be a psycho 571 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: sexual case. In other words, when she said get away 572 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: from me, when he first approached her and grabbed her 573 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: phone out of her hand, that could have triggered not 574 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: that this is a defense. In fact, it is not 575 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: a defense. Some type of psycho sexual response that threw 576 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: him into a rage. Sure, sure, And you know, rages 577 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: just don't come out of Rages don't come out of nowhere, Nancy. Okay, 578 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: rage is rage is from an escalated He escalated before 579 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: this rage happened. Okay, so we don't we have no 580 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 1: idea was going on what was going through his mind 581 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: as he was following her. Hold on, you're cutting out? 582 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: I mean just one Okay, I've got you. Can you 583 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: hear me now? My landline? Okay, Rage does not just 584 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: start from nowhere. It just doesn't come out of nowhere. Okay. 585 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: Rage is the end of an escalation in your mood. 586 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: And so who knows what he was thinking about while 587 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 1: he was following her and traveling, no telling what was 588 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: going on through his mind about what he was going 589 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: to do to her and I and how this was 590 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: exciting him. And yes, when she said no and gave 591 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: some defense against him, it probably did switch him into 592 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,280 Speaker 1: a very rageful behavior. Okay. Back to the courthouse, standing 593 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:04,240 Speaker 1: by Angeanette Levy joining US reporter anchor Emmy nominated Internet. 594 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: Have you seen did girards go into the courtroom? Have 595 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: you looked in there yet? Well, they're actually This is 596 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: taking place at a CID center, taking a place at 597 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: the court house, so it's a huge room. They are 598 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: in there about two hundred people socially distanced, and so 599 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,720 Speaker 1: the questioning should be getting underway here very quick. Please guys. 600 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: Right now is in my mind, the single most critical 601 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: moment of a trial, and that is when you strike 602 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: the jury. For those of you just joining us, take 603 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut twenty two from casey CI 604 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: TV News July eighteenth, twenty eighteen, Twenty year old Molly 605 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: Tibbitts was dog sitting at the home of her boyfriend's 606 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: brother in her hometown of Brooklyn. Last time boyfriend Dalton 607 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: Jack heard from Molly was around ten pm. The next day, 608 00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: he got the call from her co workers at a 609 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: Grennelle daycare saying she didn't show up, setting off an 610 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: extensive search for the University of Iowa student, whom so 611 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,800 Speaker 1: many in the small Poochee County community knew and loved. 612 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 1: Molly is one of the most caring people you'll want 613 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: to meet. As investigators scoured the area efforts to find 614 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: Molly tibbots When nationwide authorities have intensified the search from 615 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 1: missing Iowa College student Molly tim The nearly five weeks 616 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: search ended August twenty first, in a rural Poochee County 617 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 1: Cornfield with the news no one wanted to hear. We 618 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: believe it to be the body of Molly Tibbots. That 619 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,439 Speaker 1: came after they identified a suspect, Christian Behina Rivera, after 620 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: seeing his car on a neighbor surveillance video. They say 621 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 1: he led them to her body. Investigators say Rivera admitted 622 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: to abducting Tibbots while she was out jogging, blacking out, 623 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 1: and then killing her. One fact instantly injected politics into 624 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: the case. He is an illegal alien. Investigators say Rivera 625 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: was a Mexican farm worker who had lived in the 626 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: area for a few years. We wait as justice unfals 627 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime story, signing off goodbye friend.