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Speaker 1: been a long day and the shoes are coming off.

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Speaker 1: So it's like when mister Rogers takes his jacket off.

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Speaker 1: It's like, my shoes come off. It's time to start.

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Speaker 2: Happy to be in the booth for once.

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Speaker 1: Tony Michael, thanks for all the great clips you sent,

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Speaker 1: all the information you sent me in advance of this

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Speaker 1: Tire Ahead recording. But it just occurred to me, I

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Speaker 1: can't remember the last time I changed my tires on

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Speaker 1: of all this endless tire talk and more tire talk

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Speaker 1: that we're going to have. Why does an f one

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Speaker 1: and all their data and technological advancement just make tires

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Speaker 1: that hold up better that would be better for the

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Speaker 3: Do that?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so I think, well, I think a lot of things.

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Speaker 4: But first, just from a safety perspective, you might want

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Speaker 1: For My Heart podcast one on one Studios and Sports

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Speaker 1: Illustrated Studios, this is choosing sides, yes one wow, Wow, Tony. Respectfully,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I already know everything there is to

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Speaker 1: know about tires.

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Speaker 4: Respectfully, I beg to differ.

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Speaker 1: Hey Matt, Hey, how's it going?

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Speaker 4: You know, not too bad? And to convince you otherwise,

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Speaker 4: we have invited to the show some true tire heads.

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Speaker 4: Matt welcome. Who are you for our listeners? Who is

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Speaker 4: who is Matt?

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Speaker 1: I am Matt Trumpets.

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Speaker 5: I'm co host of Mister Apex podcast, host of tech

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Speaker 5: Time on Mister Apex, and I am a professional trumpet

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Speaker 5: player who somehow managed to find himself on a podcast

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Speaker 5: about Formula one with a bunch of people from England.

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Speaker 1: So that's who I am.

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Speaker 4: And that is Matt playing in the background.

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Speaker 1: By the way, well it's actually quite lovely.

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Speaker 4: Any overlap between the trumpet worlds and the Formula one

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Speaker 5: No colliding needed, There's loads of colliding needed because as

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Speaker 5: what I'm about. And so anytime you look at something

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Speaker 5: all performing under an unbelievable amount of stress at the

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Speaker 5: very very highest level, and in particular the drivers, and

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Speaker 5: I know what you want to talk about I know

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Speaker 1: We will get to that.

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Speaker 5: But when you look at the drivers, yeah, and you

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Speaker 5: just it's astonishing to me. It was really one of

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Speaker 1: Okay, so what's so special about the F one tires?

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Speaker 1: First of all, what are F one tires? Okay?

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Speaker 5: So first of all, let's start with this. Tires on

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Speaker 5: No one can model it perfectly, no one understands it

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Speaker 1: I don't what is that how do you manage a tire?

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Speaker 5: You're going to ask me about tire management, thinking you're

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Speaker 4: I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by this. Oh good, because in other sport

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Speaker 1: But the greatest player in the world maybe ever, Novak

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Speaker 5: It's a learned skill. And yeah, I remember Hamilton back

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Speaker 5: in Formula one, they have at every race what they

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Speaker 4: So soft tires they wear out much faster, but they

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Speaker 4: you've got the medium, which is middle of rich. It's

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Speaker 4: And then we're not done because then there's the intermediate,

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Speaker 4: That's the blue tie, and that's the green tire.

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Speaker 4: fascinating topic of tire rims.

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Speaker 1: Wow, we are, We're going to really talk tires.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna talk times.

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Speaker 4: They're the same for every car, same design, same material.

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Speaker 1: I wish every baseball player, I'd use the same beat.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I love that actually. Okay, so that's the first bit.

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Speaker 4: The second thing is the wheel covers. They're plastic. But

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Speaker 4: the rims. The wheel nuts, this is where it gets interesting.

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Speaker 4: They're unique to each team, so every team develops their

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Speaker 1: That's a kick in the nuts. It's just funny that

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Speaker 1: No one else can mess with the rims, but nuts

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Speaker 4: The fact that Prairie looks after the rims helps the

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Speaker 1: How many nuts are in a wheel? Tell me more

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Speaker 4: It was bad fourteen seconds because I mean they're heavy.

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Speaker 4: Fourteen seven. Yeah, the wheels are really heavy, which is

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Speaker 4: Should I continue? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, FIA sensors. We actually just got off talking. You know,

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Speaker 5: The teams themselves will run infrared sensors look at the

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Speaker 5: They'll also run aerodynamics sensors because the tires I don't

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Speaker 5: need to tell you, no, wait, I do need to

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Speaker 1: The front wheelwake will absolutely ruin.

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Speaker 5: Your downforce if you don't manage it, and the rear

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Speaker 4: So they have a machine that sensors where it's off

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Speaker 4: What's funny with this is the Queen of England used

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Speaker 1: Queen exact. Okay, well I think let me just offer

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Speaker 4: Tires for me, are like the biggest paradox in Formula

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Speaker 4: when I say no control, they can obviously choose which

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Speaker 1: I invite every listener, yeah, to think about any time

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Speaker 1: it's insane. You want to go hiking, There's a whole

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Speaker 1: If you're a ballerina, if you're a soccer player, tennis players.

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Speaker 4: They go as an ex ballerina. I absolutely love.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like that's the same with like tire degradation,

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Speaker 4: to make sure they're delivering to each team the best

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Speaker 4: tires possible and imaginable.

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Speaker 1: Let me stop you right there. You keep mentioning Perrelli. Ye,

441
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Speaker 1: you keep saying this as if I'm supposed to know

442
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Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Okay, Prelli. I've just looked at

443
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Speaker 1: all the teams. There's no Perrelli there. What's Perrelli?

444
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Speaker 4: You've got to know who Parrelli is important. It is important.

445
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Speaker 4: They are important, so Parelli is currently F one's sole

446
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Speaker 4: tire provider, and they've been the only exclusive tie provider

447
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Speaker 4: for Formula One since twenty eleven.

448
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Speaker 5: They make all of the tires for all of the

449
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Speaker 5: Formula One teams according to a brief provided to them

450
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Speaker 5: by the FIA, with input from the teams and Formula

451
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Speaker 5: One as well, and they will occasionally show up with

452
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Speaker 5: new tires to be tested after certain races because it's

453
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Speaker 5: for them, just like the teams, a constant development were

454
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Speaker 5: to stay on top of the needs as the teams

455
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Speaker 5: themselves get faster and add more downforce.

456
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Speaker 1: What happened before, and you could just drive any tire

457
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Speaker 1: you want to.

458
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Speaker 4: You're back with us at the brick yond the Superspeedway.

459
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Speaker 4: It was a point out which was completely.

460
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Speaker 1: Wild, chaos, confusion rangs.

461
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Speaker 4: For those listeners who have never heard of the very

462
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Speaker 4: sad two thousand and five USA Formula one stop, can

463
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Speaker 4: you give us a quick story time, a quick debrief?

464
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Speaker 4: What do we need to know about that?

465
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Speaker 5: It's really a pretty simple story. There were two constructors

466
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Speaker 5: in at the time, one of them was Michelin.

467
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Speaker 3: It's easy to see the arguments on both sides from

468
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Speaker 3: Michelin's point of view, they knew from Friday and those

469
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Speaker 3: accidents that they had a problem.

470
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Speaker 5: When you race at Indianapolis, you run a section of

471
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Speaker 5: the oval banking. Yeah, and what happened was the Michelin tires,

472
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Speaker 5: two of them, had already failed on the banking at

473
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Speaker 5: the speeds the cars were running.

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Speaker 7: The teams have been told categorically that they cannot go

475
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Speaker 7: through that final turn thirteen full throttle.

476
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Speaker 5: So for the start of the Grand Prix, everybody started

477
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Speaker 5: out on the formation lap and then all of the

478
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Speaker 5: Michelin runners.

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Speaker 3: It comes alongside World Championship leading.

480
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Speaker 1: You know, our plan is for the stop straight.

481
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Speaker 5: Mike drove into the pits and didn't race, which left

482
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Speaker 5: five cars on the grid, and it was an embarrassing

483
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Speaker 5: spectacle for the sport.

484
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Speaker 3: Just listen to the crowd there.

485
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Speaker 8: Stune where stunned.

486
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Speaker 5: And it also was a huge black eye to Formula

487
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Speaker 5: One in the United States when there was beginning to

488
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Speaker 5: be a little bubble of interest.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, when I arrived at the track this morning, the

491
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Speaker 3: PA system was playing hit the Road, Jack and don't

492
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Speaker 3: you come back no more? And I have a feeling that

493
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Speaker 3: will be the message from Indianapolis Motor Speedway and the

494
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Speaker 3: American public to Formula one after the fast that we

495
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Speaker 3: witnessed here today.

496
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Speaker 5: The eyeballs of Americans have long been a target for

497
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Speaker 5: the people running Formula one, and that did not help

498
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Speaker 5: them at all.

499
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Speaker 4: What kind of message is they're sending out to people

500
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Speaker 4: about Formula.

501
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: One only I'm sorry? Right there are the message.

502
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry for the public, I'm sorry for the spectator,

503
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Speaker 4: and sorry for the people at your TV.

504
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

505
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Speaker 5: So that, in essence is what happened.

506
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Speaker 4: You think what Formula one has realized because of the

507
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Speaker 4: paradox that I'm saying, are Formula one it's better to

508
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Speaker 4: have one tire provider, basically unlike the power units where

509
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 4: different teams are competing on power units. And again, like

510
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Speaker 4: we've talked about, there are certain aspects of the sport

511
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Speaker 4: where they decide, you know what, having everyone on the

512
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Speaker 4: same footing, using the same thing makes sense, and there's

513
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Speaker 4: other times we're just like we want them. So clearly

514
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 4: it's like a tire wall right now, but on the

515
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 4: same tires with the same tools, versus let's fight on

516
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Speaker 4: tires as well.

517
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Speaker 5: In the cold, harsh light of reality. The last thing

518
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Speaker 5: Formula one needs is any kind.

519
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Speaker 6: Of a tire war.

520
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 5: And that goes back to the basic fact of tires,

521
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Speaker 5: which is they are the single biggest performance differentiator you

522
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Speaker 5: can have. So if I'm Perelli and your Michelin and

523
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Speaker 5: your Michelin tires aren't good enough, I'm crushing you by

524
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Speaker 5: laps per race.

525
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Speaker 1: And people have complained. I've heard it.

526
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Speaker 5: People have complained about how boring this season was, and

527
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Speaker 5: that's just because one team had better aerodynamics. Imagine if

528
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Speaker 5: you could add five seconds a lap to Max's performance,

529
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Speaker 5: how exciting would the season be?

530
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Speaker 3: Then?

531
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Speaker 5: And you've got your answer right there.

532
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Speaker 1: Is it true that one of the biggest mistakes in

533
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Speaker 1: the history of Formula one was when has tried to

534
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Speaker 1: use a square shaped tire? What's going on, Michael focus,

535
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: geez does having these different types of tires? Is this?

536
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: Is this an exciting part of the sport? But is

537
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Speaker 1: that fun to like me? Or is that fun to

538
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: Tony who's a tire nerd? Because I could also see

539
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: like you just say, look, everybody, everybody's shut up. You

540
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Speaker 1: get mediums who can drive the fastest.

541
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Speaker 5: If you think it's exciting to watch someone three or

542
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 5: four seconds behind the leader ten laps from the end,

543
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Speaker 5: going faster and potentially fast enough to catch them before

544
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Speaker 5: they get to the end of the race. Then yes,

545
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Speaker 5: you want this kind of tire strategy. If, on the

546
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Speaker 5: other hand, you think that's boring and you just want

547
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Speaker 5: to see F one drivers drive slowly around a track

548
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 5: so their tires don't go pop, then what you're asking

549
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Speaker 5: for is what you want.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, it's incredibly when they get it right, When the

552
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Speaker 5: compounds are right and a one stop strategy and a

553
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Speaker 5: two stop strategy are about the same pace and throwing

554
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Speaker 5: the odd safety car, it's incredible exciting.

555
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 4: We used to refuel during pit stops. The only thing

556
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 4: we now do with pit stops is more or less

557
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Speaker 4: change the tires. If we took out the pit stops,

558
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Speaker 4: you are taking out such a crucial element. And the

559
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Speaker 4: only reason they do the pit stops is to get

560
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Speaker 4: on different tires. Formula is actually having an issue right

561
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Speaker 4: now where their cars have become so powerful that they

562
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Speaker 4: don't need to be recharged during a race. It used

563
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Speaker 4: to be in formulate the first I think one or

564
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Speaker 4: two or three seasons where they would swap cars mid

565
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 4: race because they didn't hadn't yet created a battery with

566
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Speaker 4: a lifespan that could do a full race, So you

567
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 4: have these wild pictures of a car coming into jumping, unbuckling,

568
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 4: coming out of the car, jumping into another car.

569
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Speaker 1: Is what I do with my electric leaf Flower one

570
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Speaker 1: battery because they're too expensive, so I have to like

571
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Speaker 1: do half the lawn and then plug it in.

572
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Speaker 4: And and then you have to come back.

573
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm like imagining Michael, your wife waiting for you, like.

574
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Speaker 1: With the battery, go go go.

575
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Speaker 4: So I just yeah, it's the It adds, but you

576
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Speaker 4: might appreciate it adds a very human element in sport

577
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Speaker 4: because the pit stops are twenty people, four people on

578
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 4: each wheel, and it's humans excelling for two seconds and

579
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Speaker 4: doing the best. So it adds that human element where

580
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 4: just about anything could go wrong during a pitstop.

581
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Speaker 1: Love it any pushback we have on robots controlling everything.

582
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Speaker 1: I mean, I love a nice human element.

583
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Speaker 4: I thought you don't.

584
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Speaker 8: You know?

585
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: Okay, so I've been doing some googling, yeah, or blinging.

586
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure who what is it called bing been doing?

587
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: Particularly have not been binging. I see these little blankets, okay,

588
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Speaker 1: let's call them. You know what they look like to me.

589
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: In hockey, when you're not using your skates, you put

590
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Speaker 1: those guards over the skate. I'm seeing these big, strong

591
00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: alpha men putting little hats and the tires. What's up?

592
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: What's up with that?

593
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Speaker 4: Okay, so they're called tile a protection. No, they're just

594
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Speaker 4: there to warm so truly, like if you had your

595
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Speaker 4: teapot and you had your cozy the teapot the only

596
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Speaker 4: job of the tea company.

597
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Speaker 1: We're doing this, but I don't think Americans have that

598
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Speaker 1: cozy teapot.

599
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Speaker 4: I was going to say it's the most British thing.

600
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Speaker 1: But I explain this to people who don't know what

601
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Speaker 1: you're talking about.

602
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Speaker 4: The Brits love tea.

603
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Speaker 7: Yes, the rise in popularity of tea between the seventeenth

604
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Speaker 7: and nineteenth centuries and major social, political, and economic implication.

605
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Speaker 1: Not getting into their whole history with the country of Indiana.

606
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're not going that far back. The one thing

607
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Speaker 4: they love more than a cup of tea is a

608
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Speaker 4: little pot of tea. Yes, I feel like I've become

609
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Speaker 4: more British in the extreme.

610
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Speaker 1: But I'm asking now because I do love this part

611
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Speaker 1: of the British.

612
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Speaker 4: So they have a pot of tea, and they have

613
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Speaker 4: like what they call a cozy.

614
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Speaker 7: Traditionally made of cloth, the tea cozy insulates a teapot,

615
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Speaker 7: keeping the contents warm. Their use predates the invention of

616
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Speaker 7: vacuum flasks as a means of keeping hot liquids hot.

617
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 7: The first documented use of a tea cozy in Britain

618
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Speaker 7: was in eighteen sixty seven. It is probably the Duchess

619
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Speaker 7: of Bedford who, by establishing the activity of afternoon tea

620
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Speaker 7: in eighteen forty, would have brought the popularity of the

621
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Speaker 7: tea cozy during the Victorian era.

622
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Speaker 1: Wow, thank you, JOHI. That was actually a valuable contribution.

623
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Speaker 1: For once. I'm going to pull up a picture of

624
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Speaker 1: a tea cozy. I'm gonna see what this thing looks like.

625
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: It's take a little winter hat.

626
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Speaker 4: It's a little winter hat that covers the whole teapot.

627
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Speaker 1: It's so cute, everybody, if you're not on if you're

628
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: not blinging it right now, you gotta see these British

629
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Speaker 1: little winter hats for their teacup teapots. It's very cute.

630
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Speaker 1: This feels like a rhyme for kids, yes, but that's

631
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: essentially what I'm seeing on these tires.

632
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 4: And it's exactly that. And you could call them. You've

633
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 4: got options here, Michael, so you could call them tire

634
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 4: warmers or tire black kids, so you can.

635
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Speaker 1: Are they plugged in or anything.

636
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 5: They don't just plug the blankets in. They cycle them

637
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 5: up and down and up and down based on what

638
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 5: they think will make the tire most perform it when

639
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 5: they finally screw it onto the car and send it

640
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 5: out of the pit lane.

641
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: Oh, not because of the rules, but because of the

642
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: optimal performance.

643
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 4: Exactly.

644
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: They know so much.

645
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 4: So cold tires is the enemy of Formula One. When

646
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 4: they line up on the grid ready for the race

647
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 4: to begin, they still have everything, the blankets on. When

648
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 4: you have, for example, the safety car or virtual safety car,

649
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 4: that's when you see the cars weaving like crazy behind

650
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 4: the safety car. It's to keep those tires warm.

651
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: Warm them up, becauction them exactly called friction. Everybody, look

652
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Speaker 1: it up.

653
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 4: Look it up. But here's an interesting thing with the

654
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Speaker 4: tie blankets. There was a plan that in twenty twenty

655
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Speaker 4: four we were going to get rid of tie blankets altogether.

656
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 5: The only reason to ban the blankets and the warmers

657
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Speaker 5: is for sustainability reasons. And I've had arguments with my

658
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 5: coho about this. But the warmers themselves chew up a

659
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 5: lot of electricity, they are heavy, and they have to

660
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Speaker 5: be shipped all over the world.

661
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Speaker 1: This is like a plastic straw situation.

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Speaker 3: Like you know.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, no one has taken down any of the big

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Speaker 1: oil companies, but I have to not use the plastic

665
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Speaker 1: straw right right, right right. People will poop poo it.

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Speaker 5: But it is a significant sustainability step. And it's also

667
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Speaker 5: what I like to call low hanging fruit. It's not

668
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Speaker 5: the hardest thing in the world to do. It's a

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Speaker 5: thing that can be done now and will make a

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Speaker 5: measurable difference in terms of the sports overall carbon footprint.

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Speaker 5: But what you have is the teams, just like the drivers.

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Speaker 5: The teams don't like anything they don't control, and they

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Speaker 5: don't like anything to change once they've figured out how

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Speaker 5: to control it. And this is a really big change.

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Speaker 1: I will say, when it comes to environment and climate change.

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Speaker 1: So many companies, including f one, you know, it's more

677
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Speaker 1: to them, more important about the actual optics than actually

678
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Speaker 1: doing it. But there's not going to be any races

679
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Speaker 1: if we're all on fire, because we're so hot, so

680
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Speaker 1: maybe we should start taking it seriously.

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Speaker 4: True, And you know what else is true? There's not

682
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Speaker 4: going to be a part if we can't sell out.

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Speaker 4: So quick break and we'll be right back. You want

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Speaker 4: to do it together?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, two three and we're back. What percentage of the

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Speaker 1: team radio conversation is about tires?

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Speaker 8: Is it a lot?

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Speaker 5: Everything that's not complaining about another driver's ability to drive

689
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Speaker 5: their car, it's all about tires. P.

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Speaker 8: Eighty is very stupping with soft than we have in

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Speaker 8: front of him, album En Riquardo and behind we have

692
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Speaker 8: a stroll with medium and crane a turn seven, so

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Speaker 8: be careful there.

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Speaker 5: We'll need you to lift and coast through here. We

695
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Speaker 5: need a lower apex speed here is so so much

696
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Speaker 5: of it is just about managing the car, getting the

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Speaker 5: car to perform the way the driver wants so that

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Speaker 5: they can manage the tires.

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Speaker 4: Some drivers also are very sneaky, knowing that people listen

700
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Speaker 4: to the team that radio digital Like my there's that

701
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Speaker 4: running joke with Solwis, Hamilton and Bono his engineers like

702
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Speaker 4: the big trouble guys, My tires are giving up and

703
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Speaker 4: everyone's like, you just did the fastest lap what are

704
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Speaker 4: you saying? Your tire? And so there's this whole conspiracy

705
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Speaker 4: that every time that Lewis said my tires are giving up,

706
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Speaker 4: they're just like he's a peak tire performance. That's what's

707
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Speaker 4: happening right now behind He's on my ass. You don't

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Speaker 4: say that some cars are notoriously harder quote unquote on

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Speaker 4: the tires.

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Speaker 6: Guess which which cars are really bad at preserving their tires?

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Speaker 1: Don't say ferrari. I wish I could go back and

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Speaker 1: change everything. Oh dear, all right, So every team uses

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Speaker 1: the same tires. That's something I think I have to emphasize, right,

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Speaker 1: Everyone gets the same tire, correct? Can they go through

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Speaker 1: as many of them as they want? No, you only

716
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Speaker 1: get so many of the same tire. It's like everyone

717
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Speaker 1: gets their ration.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's a great way of putting it.

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Speaker 5: They get thirteen sets of tires over the weekend, six

720
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Speaker 5: four and three, so you get six offts, four mediums

721
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Speaker 5: and three cards. So you have to manage those because

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Speaker 5: you need to run them to know how your car

723
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Speaker 5: is working on track. But you also want fresh tires

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Speaker 5: for your race, especially for the qualifying, So which tires

725
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Speaker 5: you use in practice? Those tires give you data. Data

726
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,479
Speaker 5: is super useful to teams, but once you've used that set,

727
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Speaker 5: then they are not useful to you. And then after

728
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Speaker 5: every practice session and after qualifying, you have to return

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Speaker 5: some of those tires.

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Speaker 4: There's a couple of additional rules, such as every driver

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Speaker 4: has to use at least two different types of compound

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Speaker 4: during a race, which again as to that strategic element.

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Speaker 4: So that's also part of the pit stop, like you're

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Speaker 4: gonna have. Even if that wasn't a rule, teams have

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Speaker 4: to do the pit stop. They also have to change compounds.

736
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Speaker 1: Do they have to pit Yes. It blows my mind

737
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Speaker 1: that they will reuse a tire. It's like looking through

738
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Speaker 1: the bag for you know, something that's still available?

739
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Speaker 4: What else is anywhere Mary Poppins on her bag. You're

740
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Speaker 4: just like, I'm sure there's something at.

741
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Speaker 1: The bottom can help us.

742
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you bring up a great, great question or

743
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: a great nuance, which is you can reuse them over

744
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Speaker 4: the space of a weekend. But after that weekend, each

745
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Speaker 4: team will bring their tires back to the Paradie garage,

746
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Speaker 4: back to the Pretti station. Their whole job is basically

747
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Speaker 4: to take all the tires off, the rims, clean the rims,

748
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Speaker 4: X rayder rims and send the rims back to the teams.

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Speaker 1: X ray the rims, X rayder rims.

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Speaker 4: They have a look at if there's any degradation, what

751
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Speaker 4: happened to them? Tie all of that stuff, and then

752
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Speaker 4: they take all of the tires. They're gonna get basically destroyed,

753
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Speaker 4: whether they've been used or not, except for the intermediate

754
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Speaker 4: tires and the wet tires. Those if they haven't been used,

755
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Speaker 4: the teams get to keep them, but in the slick tires,

756
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Speaker 4: so those three compounds do not get used ever again,

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Speaker 4: even if they weren't used during the race weekend. So

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Speaker 4: if a driver crashes in lap one and he didn't

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Speaker 4: use any of their tires, those get destroyed and we

760
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Speaker 4: used funnily enough or fun fact, they.

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Speaker 5: Get sent back to the factory. They get dissected, taken

762
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Speaker 5: apart and analyzed, and they get run through a shredder

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Speaker 5: and recycled into various projects.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like that that doesn't really happen. I don't

765
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Speaker 1: think that really happens. I think they say that as

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Speaker 1: a nice headline.

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Speaker 4: I think it kind of makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe a little bit, but there's no way

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Speaker 1: destroying eight sets of brand new tires, is gonna like

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Speaker 1: recycle itself back to okayness in the environment.

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Speaker 4: Solid point.

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Speaker 1: Then I hear them talking about scrubbed tires, Yeah, what's that.

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Speaker 4: They generally scrub the tires. They have a little equipment

774
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Speaker 4: tool and you actually see videos that some people call

775
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 4: ASMR very satisfying videos where you will see them actually

776
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Speaker 4: scraping what's on top of the tire. There's a reason

777
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Speaker 4: that the tires pick up a lot of things on

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Speaker 4: the racetrack, and there's two reasons for that. You might

779
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Speaker 4: often hear commentators at the end of a race saying,

780
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Speaker 4: pick up the marbles. Pick up the marbles. What they

781
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 4: mean by that is all the little pieces of rubber

782
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Speaker 4: degradiation that sits on the side of the track at

783
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Speaker 4: the end of the race. If the car feels too light,

784
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Speaker 4: they will pick up as much tire rubber aspects that

785
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Speaker 4: have fallen off the tires to add weight to the

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Speaker 4: tires so that when the car gets weighed at the

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Speaker 4: end of the race, it is as heavy as it

788
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Speaker 4: needs to because there's a minimum weight restriction with these

789
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Speaker 4: cars and the drivers insane. So if you pick up

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Speaker 4: all the marbles.

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Speaker 1: Drive over more stuff, so the car weighs more.

792
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Speaker 4: So the car weighs more, which then if you're planning

793
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Speaker 4: on using that tire again, then it needs to be cleaned.

794
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Speaker 4: But they also clean and scrub the tires at the end,

795
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Speaker 4: because again there's data to get picked up of that.

796
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Speaker 4: It's useful information. It's learning how the tires have degregated

797
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Speaker 4: over time. Like, there's all of that aspect that comes

798
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Speaker 4: into it.

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Speaker 6: So I was just, uh, I was just fact checking

800
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Speaker 6: Tony's claim about scrubbing tires creating an as MR sensation.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

802
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Speaker 6: And I just love to get your feedback. I'm gonna

803
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Speaker 6: I'm gonna play you a little something.

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Speaker 1: Is that all right? I hope I don't go from

805
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: soft to hard? All right?

806
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Speaker 6: Tell me, tell me if you can hear this and

807
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 6: if it's h A S m R and you.

808
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Speaker 1: This is a scrub being scrubbed.

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Speaker 4: I think it's more visual pleasing exercise.

810
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Speaker 1: That's not a good as MR. I'll show you a

811
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Speaker 1: guy on TikTok that chops carrots with a SMR and

812
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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh carrots, yeah.

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Speaker 8: H h.

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Speaker 4: So Michael, final thoughts. I know you were somewhat excited

815
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 4: coming into this episode. Ah, you fashioning yourself a tire ahead.

816
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 4: Have I put you off?

817
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: No, You've not put me off, Tony. If anything, You've

818
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: put me on to tires, and I could see this

819
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: is cool, This is cool. The managing of the tire

820
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: is a very important task. And it may not snap

821
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Speaker 1: me out of bed in the morning when it comes

822
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Speaker 1: to F one, but I think this is a really

823
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: integral part and I find it interesting and without a doubt.

824
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: I need to get some slick Pirelli tires on my

825
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: family Volvo.

826
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Speaker 4: Huh, yeah, that's gonna great, look for.

827
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Speaker 1: You know what I want in my life? Tell me

828
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: I want my life to be one of those well

829
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: managed tires on a championship car. Okay, A lot of

830
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,959
Speaker 1: people right now don't know what the fuck I'm talking about,

831
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: but I know I want to manage it well. I

832
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: don't want to just be like, oh, fifth, I'm in

833
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: my fifties, life is over. No, no, no, we still

834
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: got some good tires left it. You know, sixties still

835
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: got a good tires left. Maybe my twenties I didn't

836
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: go as fast as I need to do because but

837
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: my seventies I'm kicking ass right now, do you get it?

838
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Speaker 6: I actually really like that. It's like you want to

839
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,479
Speaker 6: use everything up and get to the end.

840
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: And you'll still be spraying the non champagne fizzy white wine.

841
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: So I think tire episode was cool, and I wonder

842
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: how many podcasts in the Internet even devoted entire episode

843
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: two tires.

844
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Speaker 6: They're probably whole podcasts devoted to F one tires.

845
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Speaker 1: Cold Tires would be a good name too. It's funny

846
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: to think of like Caveman inventing wheel and now where

847
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: we're at with these tires that you know humanity as

848
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Speaker 1: wild man.

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Speaker 2: This has been Choosing Science f one, a production of

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Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated Studios, iHeart Podcast and one oh one Studio podcast.

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Speaker 2: The show is hosted by Michael Costa and Tony Cowan Brown.

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Speaker 2: This episode was edited, scored, and sound designed by Senior

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Speaker 2: producer Jojai May Thaddle. Scott Stone is the executive producer

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Speaker 2: podcast Development and production Manager at one O one Studios.

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Speaker 2: At iHeart Podcasts, Sean Titne is our executive producer. And

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Speaker 2: a special thank you to Michelle Newman, David Glasser, and

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Speaker 2: David Hootkin from one oh one Studios. For more shows

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Speaker 1: Tony. What do we have next week?

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Speaker 4: Next week on Choosing Sides one, we're going to talk

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Speaker 4: about the logistition. So there's a lot of focus in

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Speaker 4: F one that goes into the drivers, the speed, the money,

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Speaker 4: the glitz, the glamour, the tires. Yes, and the tires

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Speaker 4: all true, all good or well. But to me, one

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Speaker 4: of the true marvels of this sport, and I say

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Speaker 4: this dead series is its logistics. These are the true

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Speaker 4: unsung heroes of this sports. It's the F one operations

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Speaker 4: and logistical managers or logistics managers on the teams, but

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Speaker 4: also with their partners like the HL.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to devote an episode to the legit

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Speaker 1: stics of F one.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the traveling circus, how they get from point eight

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Speaker 4: to b and they do it twenty three times a

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Speaker 4: year and without fail, every single component arise on time.

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Speaker 1: That's wild.

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Speaker 4: If you thought the tire conversation was interesting, yeah, wait

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Speaker 4: until we hear about the logistics of the sport

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Speaker 2: Waiting for you,