Speaker 1: In Atlanta, another body whispers coming today at Police Task
Speaker 1: Force headquarters. There are twenty seven faces on the wall, murdered,
Speaker 1: one missing. We do not know the person or persons
Speaker 1: that are responsible. Therefore, we do not have the MODI
Speaker 1: from Tinderfoot TV and How Stuff Works in Atlanta. Like
Speaker 1: eleven other recent victims in Atlanta, Rogers apparently was a
Speaker 1: fixy victor. Atlanta was unlikely to catch the killer unless
Speaker 1: he keeps on killing. This is Atlanta Monster. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: welcome to part two of our Q and A session.
Speaker 1: I'm here with the Tenderfoot TV team and How Stuff Works.
Speaker 1: I'm Jason from How Stuff Works from Tenderfoot Mrs Donald
Speaker 1: from tinder Foot TV, and we're here today to answer
Speaker 1: your questions. Hey, my name is Joe. Was there ever
Speaker 1: a house or location of where they thought there was
Speaker 1: like a sex at ring going on where people were
Speaker 1: taking maybe over to that house and that's gonna bring
Speaker 1: carpet there. Just wondered if you'd ever heard anything about
Speaker 1: them actually investigating the house. One of the hardest parts
Speaker 1: of this story, I think to to hear, and frankly,
Speaker 1: it was a story that was told in the media,
Speaker 1: so going to uncle Tom's house. Tom Terrell, UM, there
Speaker 1: was frank and open talk about at least ten of
Speaker 1: these boys visiting his house. We've seen some pretty graphic
Speaker 1: detail of what happened there, that these kids would come
Speaker 1: through the neighborhood and just for a couple of bucks,
Speaker 1: would participate in some you know, some pretty troubling things
Speaker 1: and even sleep over. Um. A couple of years after
Speaker 1: this case was closed, Tom Terrell's house and the house
Speaker 1: next door burned down. We went back, if you remember,
Speaker 1: and it was raised. There was nothing there. It was
Speaker 1: it was a clean field, empty lot. If you were
Speaker 1: looking at the old and you look directly to your left,
Speaker 1: you saw the Georgia Dome and you saw where the Omni,
Speaker 1: which is a big location in the podcast. So you
Speaker 1: can actually imagine where kids were coming from there, going
Speaker 1: through the neighborhood, stopping and then hitting their ultimate destination
Speaker 1: at their houses at any time of the day. UM.
Speaker 1: It's really heartbreaking. Uh. And often in trials, not all
Speaker 1: the evidence they have is presented, just enough of the
Speaker 1: strongest evidence is used to convict someone. So even though
Speaker 1: it was known it was in the media, it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it has to show up in trial. But what
Speaker 1: we don't know is was there a larger kind of
Speaker 1: pyramid of players here. We've heard some of the adult
Speaker 1: victims may have been running through the same neighborhood. So
Speaker 1: I hate speculating on this stuff, but something really really
Speaker 1: nags at me that says there's a connection here. I
Speaker 1: just don't know what it is. And we didn't present
Speaker 1: this on the podcast because we frankly just didn't have
Speaker 1: the evidence. We didn't have anything that would tell us
Speaker 1: that these things were all specifically connected. Even back then,
Speaker 1: the media theorized that some of the adult victims could
Speaker 1: actually have been co conspirators. So there is a scenario
Speaker 1: that some of these things are connected, um, and that
Speaker 1: it's larger than one person. So we already all believe that,
Speaker 1: you know, this wasn't all the work of one monster,
Speaker 1: but it could be the work of a few people
Speaker 1: working together. And then some of some other things that
Speaker 1: are can be unrelated, some things that are related to
Speaker 1: those um that those houses and some of those victims
Speaker 1: that work at those houses that also weren't related to
Speaker 1: Wayne Williams or any other co conspirators with Wayne Williams.
Speaker 1: So just you know, like I said, there's just not
Speaker 1: enough evidence to point that that is true or false.
Speaker 1: So it's one of the things we didn't really dive
Speaker 1: deep into because it's a big question mark. So we
Speaker 1: kind of focused on, you know, the larger issues in
Speaker 1: front of us that we had, you know, more evidence
Speaker 1: to point to. It was called Uncle Tom's Cabin, was
Speaker 1: the nickname that it was given in the media. Vincent Hill,
Speaker 1: the former police officer, was a huge advocate of this theory,
Speaker 1: and he had his own evidence. He showed me he
Speaker 1: firmly believed that there was a real connection between this
Speaker 1: Uncle Tom's Cabin and the Atlantic child murders, and based
Speaker 1: on what he showed me, I think that at least
Speaker 1: a few of the victims were connected. But the question remains,
Speaker 1: did it have to do with Wayne Williams. Is there
Speaker 1: a bigger story here or are we looking at a
Speaker 1: bunch of different murders by different people. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: like tim Timothy Hill was at Tom Terrell's house the
Speaker 1: day before he went missing and was supposed to return,
Speaker 1: and you can't just you can't dismiss that. But it's
Speaker 1: hard to put those connections together so many years later.
Speaker 1: That's the problem with this Everyone says, it's so confusing.
Speaker 1: It is confusing. It there's no way to make it
Speaker 1: all makes sense, because I firmly believe it doesn't all
Speaker 1: make sense. It doesn't all connect. There's not one big
Speaker 1: puzzle here that makes sense. And this is this explains everything, right,
Speaker 1: We're talking about different things that happened, right. I think
Speaker 1: one thing that we make the mistake of just the
Speaker 1: general public when we look at, um a crime like
Speaker 1: this is trying to find the one after that solves everything.
Speaker 1: And also that trying to look at every child name
Speaker 1: that appears on a list and saying that, um, all
Speaker 1: of the evidence has to fit every single victim, and
Speaker 1: when one doesn't fit, we can't throw it all out.
Speaker 1: It makes me that that evidence are that assailant or
Speaker 1: you know, the person responsible for one is not responsive
Speaker 1: for the other. There's definitely a world where several of
Speaker 1: these victims are murdered for several different reasons, some associated
Speaker 1: with one killer, some associated with this house, some by
Speaker 1: street violence. And all that evidences is no way's gonna
Speaker 1: all match up. And and one thing is true, and
Speaker 1: that's that sex rings were a real thing in Atlanta
Speaker 1: and other cities. UM, We're gonna share a c from
Speaker 1: another another caller who actually know her father was named
Speaker 1: Wayne Williams and was in the phone book, and they
Speaker 1: got all kinds of nasty calls. And here she shares
Speaker 1: a story of some of the sex ring activities that
Speaker 1: we're having in Cabbage Town here in Atlanta. I lived
Speaker 1: in MND Park at the time, which is just on
Speaker 1: the other side of the tracks from where everything was happening.
Speaker 1: I had a lot of memories of it. I know
Speaker 1: for a fact that there was a kitty pornography ring
Speaker 1: that was going on in Cabbage Town at the time.
Speaker 1: And I noticed for a fact because I rode the
Speaker 1: school bus with a lot of the boys who would
Speaker 1: whisper about getting paid for ppe pictures. Have that you know,
Speaker 1: kind of burned into my brain. This is there from
Speaker 1: Los Angeles that I know, you guys kind of touched
Speaker 1: on this before, but there's never been on any serious
Speaker 1: te quarry on whether Wayne possibly partnered with his father
Speaker 1: in these murders. The fibers from the house being on
Speaker 1: the victims. It seems to me the only good way
Speaker 1: to get a fiber onto a victim his direct contact
Speaker 1: with the fibers themselves and though the victims were brought
Speaker 1: home and disposed of, and even photographs. Most serial killers
Speaker 1: have a trophy aspect to them, and Wayne dead with
Speaker 1: a photographer and doing taking pictures of the funerals afterwards.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. It would be merely speculation to
Speaker 1: talk about that at all. But one thing I do
Speaker 1: find interesting is that you take all the evidence against
Speaker 1: Wayne Williams, it would also match his father, all the
Speaker 1: carpet fibers, everything would be the same. So it is interesting.
Speaker 1: And I don't know much about their relationship. I asked
Speaker 1: Wayne a few times about his father, but he never
Speaker 1: really got into it, which I found also was kind
Speaker 1: of strange. And they had a strained relationship, and we
Speaker 1: we kind of briefly touched on that they've had an
Speaker 1: argument out in a parking out around the trial time.
Speaker 1: We stayed away from trying to present a lot of
Speaker 1: the speculation on this. We heard a lot of stories
Speaker 1: that we actually did not put in the podcast. Um,
Speaker 1: but I will say this, We do know that Homer
Speaker 1: Williams was the only photographer at the Frank Sinatra Sammy
Speaker 1: Davis Junior Benefit concert. We do know that he was
Speaker 1: on stage with Frank Sinatra. We do know that he
Speaker 1: took the iconic photo of Sammy Davis Jr. And maer
Speaker 1: casim Read. But there's there's lots of questions, Like one
Speaker 1: of the things we heard over and over again was
Speaker 1: Wayne and Homer are showing up at the funerals. They're
Speaker 1: showing up at the at the case sites where the
Speaker 1: bodies were. I can tell you personally, I looked at
Speaker 1: hours and hours and hours of video footage and never
Speaker 1: saw it. So we're not going to make a statement
Speaker 1: on that, Like I've never seen it with my own eyes,
Speaker 1: so to present that out there just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: We do know that Chet Deutlinger talked about Homer being
Speaker 1: there at Jimmy Ray Paine's funeral, and we did discuss
Speaker 1: kind of that connection. Uh, We've heard lots of things.
Speaker 1: Chat also talks about he actually met with Homer and
Speaker 1: Wayne a lot. He met Wayne and jail. He went
Speaker 1: to their residence when Wayne was in jail and Homer
Speaker 1: was at home and talked with him about the fact
Speaker 1: that they took boxes and put him in dumpsters near
Speaker 1: on nearby downtown school, and the fact that Homer had
Speaker 1: all kinds of photography that he burned, and he admitted
Speaker 1: to doing it, but he said, you know, it was
Speaker 1: just unclaimed extra copies of stuff, and and even so
Speaker 1: I'll burn him and not just throw him away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this was in the kind of clean up phase.
Speaker 1: He said, Um, they were unclaimed extra copies and photos
Speaker 1: that just didn't turn out right. And Chet said, I've
Speaker 1: never been satisfied with any part of the explanation about
Speaker 1: the cleanup, either Wayne's or Homer's. The best I can
Speaker 1: say is it could be true. Mhm. Hi, my name
Speaker 1: is Laurie. So several years ago I read the book
Speaker 1: Mine Hunter by John Douglas. He is one of the
Speaker 1: people that basically founded the field of criminal profiling. That's
Speaker 1: a really fascinating book. And he had an entire chapter
Speaker 1: on the Atlanta child murders and in that chapter he
Speaker 1: describes exactly what was in the profile before they caught
Speaker 1: Wayne Williams and it is absolutely uncanny. Yes, I've read that.
Speaker 1: I've read that section of his book, Mine Hunter. Um,
Speaker 1: we did try to reach out to John Douglas early on. Uh,
Speaker 1: the name John Douglas came up multiple times in the FBI.
Speaker 1: Everyone we talked to really looked up to this person.
Speaker 1: He was a brilliant man. He's still around and we
Speaker 1: tried to reach out to him early on, but we
Speaker 1: were not able to get an interview lined up. I
Speaker 1: think there was a sort of conflict of interest with
Speaker 1: the My Hunter show and our show. But you know,
Speaker 1: he expressed that he would like to do it, but
Speaker 1: it didn't work out. But you know, everyone we talked
Speaker 1: to an FBI really looked up to this guy, and
Speaker 1: he was sort of the mastermind of creating these FBI
Speaker 1: profiles like this. Some of them are even his students.
Speaker 1: I think Popcorn said he went to John Douglas's class
Speaker 1: and things like that. Yeah, it's pretty interesting, it is.
Speaker 1: It's really interesting with the extra context of watching Mine
Speaker 1: Hunter and seeing some of those classes conducted to kind
Speaker 1: of it's gonna be really interesting to see how that
Speaker 1: the rumored kind of um coverage of Wayne Williams in
Speaker 1: the Atlanta child murders in season two of Mine Hunter
Speaker 1: plays out based on everything that we know. Hi, my
Speaker 1: name was Kia. A few episodes back, you talked to
Speaker 1: a gentleman that was abdusted in a car and kind
Speaker 1: of got out, but the plastic seats kind of grabbed
Speaker 1: the back of the pick that was in his pocket,
Speaker 1: and on his way out, the guy who kind of
Speaker 1: sort of maybe looked like Wayne Williams said goodbye and
Speaker 1: called and by his name. Did you think any deeper
Speaker 1: into that story? Did you revisit it? Because it sounds
Speaker 1: like there's somebody out there that was snatching kids that
Speaker 1: looked very much like Wayne Williams. I don't have enough information,
Speaker 1: but I was just curious. That story stuck with me
Speaker 1: by Rodney, that's what he said. It was extremely erie.
Speaker 1: It's a bizarre story. I don't know what else to
Speaker 1: say about it, to be honest, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know where to look for more information on that to
Speaker 1: build a bigger story out of it. This guy was
Speaker 1: being one sincere to me. He had never told anyone
Speaker 1: publicly this story before. And we've also heard after that
Speaker 1: a few other stories that make it sound like there
Speaker 1: was maybe this guy who resembled Wayne Williams who was
Speaker 1: roaming around the streets of Atlanta in abducting kids, or
Speaker 1: at least attempting to. Is that true. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I cannot say for certain if it is or not.
Speaker 1: Either when you slice it, it seems like there was
Speaker 1: someone who looked like Wayne Williams who was out in
Speaker 1: Atlanta at that time abducting kids, or at least attempting to.
Speaker 1: Was it Wayne? This guy says for certain it was not.
Speaker 1: He knew what Wayne looked like and it wasn't him.
Speaker 1: So was there someone else out there? I don't know, Okay,
Speaker 1: So Wayne's look seems to be unique to us. I
Speaker 1: think now in two thousand eighteen, we here, here's the
Speaker 1: guy with afro and glasses, and it seems almost like
Speaker 1: this iconic, you know, pictures that we've seen of Wayne Williams.
Speaker 1: But at the time, it's been suggested to us many
Speaker 1: times that that was not a unique look. Lots of
Speaker 1: people had that hairstyle, lots of people had those same
Speaker 1: types of glasses at that time, and so it's possible
Speaker 1: that there was someone who looked a lot like him.
Speaker 1: Vincent Hill even said I looked like that, My dad
Speaker 1: looked like that, We all looked like that. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a go to look, you know, late seventies, early eighties,
Speaker 1: So not surprising that you know, someone else is out
Speaker 1: there and being mistaken for Wayne Williams. If that's what
Speaker 1: you know, what the look was I think what gives
Speaker 1: UM a little more creagence to some of the other
Speaker 1: eyewitnesses is them being able to also say that guy had,
Speaker 1: you know, abrasions or a scar on his face. And
Speaker 1: I think that's um kind of what sets the idea
Speaker 1: apart from, you know, the people who say it definitely
Speaker 1: wasn't Wayne, and people say that it was him. When
Speaker 1: I listened to the interview with Rodney for the first time,
Speaker 1: it was just a stunning story by itself, but I
Speaker 1: was also struck by the story of the driver giving
Speaker 1: Rodney drugs and not really knowing what was in that.
Speaker 1: The question has come up multiple times, how do you
Speaker 1: get these scrappy kids in your car or you know,
Speaker 1: take them and kill them and without having a scratch
Speaker 1: or out having scars. And Wayne's just five seven and
Speaker 1: a pudgy guy, and it just it's always kind of
Speaker 1: bothered me that maybe that was the trick, right, is
Speaker 1: giving these young kids some concoction that that reduced their resistance.
Speaker 1: I don't know, there was something that's always kind of
Speaker 1: bugged me about that, and that being the almost like
Speaker 1: the candy that the strangers giving these kids to uh
Speaker 1: to make them more vulnerable. Because I think there is
Speaker 1: a point to these kids being tough and scrappy and
Speaker 1: on the streets that would be difficult to take down.
Speaker 1: I think the power that you're talking about when it
Speaker 1: comes to serial killers is in their manipulation. Every serial
Speaker 1: killer manipulated their victims and gained their trust somehow. I
Speaker 1: think that we often underestimate what that is. I think
Speaker 1: that if you're a psychopath, your sociopath, you have all
Speaker 1: these traits and you're trying to kill somebody, you are
Speaker 1: convincing them of everything you need to to get them
Speaker 1: in your car. Yeah. And if you remember the kind
Speaker 1: of anonymous interview that we played in one of the
Speaker 1: episodes um of the Guy That Knew Wayne and and
Speaker 1: Jojo Bell, he talked about how Wayne had a network
Speaker 1: of spies that were kids helping him watch the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: So again, if he is the person his ability to
Speaker 1: kind of manipulate those kids and have them act on
Speaker 1: his behalf, it's pretty powerful. This is Jenny Kafka and Ediston,
Speaker 1: New Jersey. How has the podcast shaken things up with
Speaker 1: the law enforcement? Have they been responding, has they've been acting,
Speaker 1: has they've been pursuing um or reevaluating because of what
Speaker 1: you're doing. I highly doubt it. I think that this
Speaker 1: is a very old case. Uh. The FBI is happy
Speaker 1: with the way this ended. It's closed in their minds.
Speaker 1: I don't think way Williams is getting out of prison
Speaker 1: anytime soon, regardless of whether or not he's guilty or innocent.
Speaker 1: That's just the way it is now. It's been almost
Speaker 1: forty years. I don't think the police feel compelled to
Speaker 1: go back through their own information in their own cases
Speaker 1: and try to find something, try to find something that
Speaker 1: was missing before. I don't think it's in the city's
Speaker 1: best interest for that to happen either. I think that
Speaker 1: the important part of Atlanta Monster is not just whether
Speaker 1: or not Wayne Williams killed anybody. It's just the retelling
Speaker 1: of the story as a whole. Just like I had
Speaker 1: never heard this story, there were plenty of other people
Speaker 1: who had never heard the story too, even my parents.
Speaker 1: They were around in Atlanta at this time, but I've
Speaker 1: never been told this story, and they remember did it
Speaker 1: way differently. They didn't have all the facts, they only
Speaker 1: were They were limited to what they saw on the news.
Speaker 1: And my dad told me he didn't have a TV
Speaker 1: in his in his apartment, so he only saw the
Speaker 1: news at dunkin Donuts or something so so much it's
Speaker 1: always archived stuff we're going through. But who all saw that?
Speaker 1: I mean not everybody, to be honest. It's night one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean just just look at look at your life today.
Speaker 1: You know, if you if you're you get busy for
Speaker 1: a few days and you don't watch the six o'clock
Speaker 1: news and o'clock news, you're not up to date on
Speaker 1: everything that's happening. And we have the internet, so you
Speaker 1: think about in in the late seventies, you know, you
Speaker 1: you missed the evening news and for a couple of
Speaker 1: days you're completely outdated. So if you don't have a TV.
Speaker 1: So yeah, just it's a it's a lot. You know,
Speaker 1: the flow of information isn't uh the way the way
Speaker 1: it is now is completely different than how it was then.
Speaker 1: And you know, people are gonna hear this story through
Speaker 1: a lens or you know, through a different I guess
Speaker 1: lens may not be the right word, but you know
Speaker 1: they're going to hear this story, um, and it's going
Speaker 1: to come with a twist on on it based off
Speaker 1: who's telling it to you. You know, based on your community,
Speaker 1: based on your age, um. But I think overall the
Speaker 1: you know the good question, I think that you know
Speaker 1: you answered it perfectly. I mean, it's a case closed,
Speaker 1: like we got our guy, and we're not going to
Speaker 1: go revis anything, especially if it's going to kick us
Speaker 1: some dusted we don't want to get into. That's that's
Speaker 1: the opinion of local and federal law enforcement. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think to law enforcement, this is done. And if you
Speaker 1: remember from the last two episodes, um, every child's case
Speaker 1: that they thought was connected in a compelling way with
Speaker 1: trace evidence and circumstantial evidence, they brought those up in trial.
Speaker 1: So though it didn't maybe make the news that way,
Speaker 1: and many people don't think that the kids were tried
Speaker 1: and they and they weren't. Their cases were tried, um,
Speaker 1: but they still brought those up. So I don't know
Speaker 1: why they would ever reopen these cases. I don't think
Speaker 1: they're going to get more evidence on those cases. That's
Speaker 1: why they were so flimsy. But they connected in some
Speaker 1: way through you know, fibers to the two cases they
Speaker 1: had more evidence for, and that's Nathaniel Cater and Jimmy Raypain, right.
Speaker 1: And I think I think The problem that I have,
Speaker 1: and then maybe some of the listeners have as well,
Speaker 1: is that they didn't just close the cases that were
Speaker 1: brought up in court. And there is the you know,
Speaker 1: elephant in the room. So those parents, you know, not
Speaker 1: only was there a child never brought up in court,
Speaker 1: but you know, they were never never had there was
Speaker 1: never a trial, there was never anything. Those cases were
Speaker 1: just closed. And I think that's where you know, the
Speaker 1: big issue lies. So, uh, if there was going to
Speaker 1: be an effort to look into something, I think it
Speaker 1: should be into the cases that were not brought up
Speaker 1: in court that we aren't so sure that he did.
Speaker 1: But I think we've said it before that you know,
Speaker 1: if you close twelve cases and there are thirty, there's
Speaker 1: still an Atlanta child writer out there. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what the city was dealing with at the time.
Speaker 1: So I think they politically, you know, they were motivated
Speaker 1: to close you know, the majority of these cases, which
Speaker 1: they did, and I think there that's where the injustice
Speaker 1: came in. Yeah, so I guess that's not necessarily opening
Speaker 1: up Wayne Williams case. Again, it's like those outlying undetermined cases, right,
Speaker 1: but they would have to admit that those outlying on
Speaker 1: determined cases. UM, we're not coming by Wayne Williams, and
Speaker 1: they've already closed and attributed over twelve that were not
Speaker 1: brought into court, and that, you know, there's the there's
Speaker 1: a difference. Yeah. I would love to just view all
Speaker 1: the stuff that never got presented to the public, because
Speaker 1: I mean, this went on for a couple of years,
Speaker 1: and I think that is kind of the unknown question
Speaker 1: of what happened within the task force, within ap D,
Speaker 1: within the FBI, What leads did they get and not follow,
Speaker 1: What kind of conversations did they have if they were
Speaker 1: talking to Tom Tarrell and investigating the sex ring, what
Speaker 1: was that investigation like and how come it was not presented. Hi,
Speaker 1: my name is Kelly. It was listening to another true
Speaker 1: crime podcasts and it was about the freeway sansom slangs
Speaker 1: that happened in the seventies. UM there were six young
Speaker 1: DC females who disappeared and were found off the side
Speaker 1: of freeways, um strangled and dead and raped. UM. This
Speaker 1: was prior to the Atlanta Monsters appearance. But the link
Speaker 1: that was most intriguing to me is that in both cases,
Speaker 1: these were young children from enfranchise communities who also had
Speaker 1: green carpet fibers found on them and on their clothing
Speaker 1: and possessions. So I just thought that that was a
Speaker 1: really interesting link. I'm not sure if anyone has investigated
Speaker 1: the links between these two serial murders, but UM, I
Speaker 1: thought that I would call in in the off chance
Speaker 1: that it could be a helpful trip. Firstly, I think
Speaker 1: it's important to reiterate that there are many, many types
Speaker 1: of green fibers, and I think it's a misconception that
Speaker 1: green is the thing that made these fibers stand out.
Speaker 1: In the Williams case. It wasn't that they were UM green,
Speaker 1: it was that the green carpet fibers they did find
Speaker 1: had this unusual structure that was trilobal and it was
Speaker 1: called the Wellman one A one B and it was
Speaker 1: among fibers, extremely rare. So it's not inconceivable that other cases,
Speaker 1: UM They're victims would be tied together through fibers, even
Speaker 1: green fibers, even green carpet fibers, but it was the
Speaker 1: lynch pen in this case because the fibers were so rare. UM,
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with the fibers in the case that
Speaker 1: UM you're bringing up, but I think that it would
Speaker 1: be very unlikely that there's any tie at all, because
Speaker 1: we when we narrowed it down with Larry Peterson, the
Speaker 1: fiber analyst, it was like, maybe eighty two rooms in
Speaker 1: Georgia might have that carpet. Maybe, Hi, I have a
Speaker 1: question for you in the team. Out of this listening
Speaker 1: to episodes, and I was wondering, were given a story
Speaker 1: actually like got in contact with the police or the
Speaker 1: family member was going to contact with the police. So
Speaker 1: out of the three stories that I was told, um,
Speaker 1: only one person did go to the cops, and that
Speaker 1: was the man who ended up in prison with way Williams. Ironically,
Speaker 1: years later, he said he did tell the police about
Speaker 1: what happened to him, and they came to his house
Speaker 1: and they uh asked some questions about what happened, and
Speaker 1: they seemed interested, but it's just kind of ended there,
Speaker 1: and uh they never followed up after that. But he
Speaker 1: did make an attempt to tell law enforcement. They did
Speaker 1: come to his house and they asked a bunch of questions,
Speaker 1: but it pretty much just ended there. Hey, Kane and Team.
Speaker 1: My name is Jason. I'm a big fan of your
Speaker 1: work and i'm your podcast. I loved I'thing vanished, and
Speaker 1: I just got finishing with the Atlanta Monster. With I've
Speaker 1: been Vanished, I felt that there was a very clear win,
Speaker 1: if you want to call it that with the evidence
Speaker 1: that was uncovered, kind of turned a new leaf in
Speaker 1: the investigation went to Atlanta Monster, or I didn't feel
Speaker 1: it was kind of the same way. So really, I
Speaker 1: was just curious pain on a personal level. If you
Speaker 1: were convinced that Wayne Williams is innocent or are you
Speaker 1: convinced that Wayne Williams was in fact the Atlanta Monster.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's the tough one to answer right there.
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced of his innocence or his guilt, to
Speaker 1: be honest. But what I'll tell you is that Wayne
Speaker 1: Williams lied to me. He lied to me about the
Speaker 1: bridge incident and the club on multiple occasions, and I
Speaker 1: called him out on it. Why was he lying to me?
Speaker 1: Is it because he killed Nathaniel Cater that night? Or
Speaker 1: is it because he was doing something suspicious and it
Speaker 1: just makes him look bad. If that's the case, then
Speaker 1: why not, almost forty years later, come out and say, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I lied about this. This is why it
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. But I still didn't kill anybody.
Speaker 1: He's not saying that. He's still lying for some reason.
Speaker 1: Why is that? You know? And I also can't argue
Speaker 1: with the fiber of it. It's you know, it's funny
Speaker 1: because you know, on the way up to Larry Peterson's house,
Speaker 1: I was with Meredith and we were both talking about
Speaker 1: how man, we really think that Wayne maybe didn't do this.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's innocent. It just sounds two perfect things don't
Speaker 1: add up all the way. What's the deal here? Maybe
Speaker 1: he's innocent. When we left after about a four hour
Speaker 1: conversation with Larry Peterson, we both looked at each other
Speaker 1: and said, I think he did it. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've gone back and forth a lot, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to be the guy who says you should believe this,
Speaker 1: or you should believe that what I wanted to do
Speaker 1: was present the whole story, and have you decide and
Speaker 1: have you understand why this has been so puzzling for
Speaker 1: so long? And also the focus should not be Wayam Williams.
Speaker 1: It should be the kids. It should be what happened
Speaker 1: almost forty years ago that was wrong. There were things
Speaker 1: that were done the wrong way in this case, and
Speaker 1: there's things to learn from. It's also an important part
Speaker 1: of our culture to know how things were and how
Speaker 1: they are to a So those are the more important
Speaker 1: factors that I would like to focus on. Did he
Speaker 1: do it? I don't know, but he lied to me
Speaker 1: and he's very suspicious. Thanks for listening to part two
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