1 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: In Atlanta, another body whispers coming today at Police Task 2 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: Force headquarters. There are twenty seven faces on the wall, murdered, 3 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: one missing. We do not know the person or persons 4 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: that are responsible. Therefore, we do not have the MODI 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: from Tinderfoot TV and How Stuff Works in Atlanta. Like 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: eleven other recent victims in Atlanta, Rogers apparently was a 7 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: fixy victor. Atlanta was unlikely to catch the killer unless 8 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: he keeps on killing. This is Atlanta Monster. Hey, guys, 9 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: welcome to part two of our Q and A session. 10 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: I'm here with the Tenderfoot TV team and How Stuff Works. 11 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: I'm Jason from How Stuff Works from Tenderfoot Mrs Donald 12 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: from tinder Foot TV, and we're here today to answer 13 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: your questions. Hey, my name is Joe. Was there ever 14 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: a house or location of where they thought there was 15 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: like a sex at ring going on where people were 16 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: taking maybe over to that house and that's gonna bring 17 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 1: carpet there. Just wondered if you'd ever heard anything about 18 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: them actually investigating the house. One of the hardest parts 19 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: of this story, I think to to hear, and frankly, 20 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: it was a story that was told in the media, 21 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: so going to uncle Tom's house. Tom Terrell, UM, there 22 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: was frank and open talk about at least ten of 23 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: these boys visiting his house. We've seen some pretty graphic 24 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: detail of what happened there, that these kids would come 25 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: through the neighborhood and just for a couple of bucks, 26 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: would participate in some you know, some pretty troubling things 27 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: and even sleep over. Um. A couple of years after 28 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: this case was closed, Tom Terrell's house and the house 29 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: next door burned down. We went back, if you remember, 30 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: and it was raised. There was nothing there. It was 31 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: it was a clean field, empty lot. If you were 32 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: looking at the old and you look directly to your left, 33 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: you saw the Georgia Dome and you saw where the Omni, 34 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: which is a big location in the podcast. So you 35 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: can actually imagine where kids were coming from there, going 36 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: through the neighborhood, stopping and then hitting their ultimate destination 37 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: at their houses at any time of the day. UM. 38 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: It's really heartbreaking. Uh. And often in trials, not all 39 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: the evidence they have is presented, just enough of the 40 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 1: strongest evidence is used to convict someone. So even though 41 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: it was known it was in the media, it doesn't 42 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: mean it has to show up in trial. But what 43 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: we don't know is was there a larger kind of 44 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: pyramid of players here. We've heard some of the adult 45 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: victims may have been running through the same neighborhood. So 46 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: I hate speculating on this stuff, but something really really 47 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: nags at me that says there's a connection here. I 48 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: just don't know what it is. And we didn't present 49 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: this on the podcast because we frankly just didn't have 50 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: the evidence. We didn't have anything that would tell us 51 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: that these things were all specifically connected. Even back then, 52 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: the media theorized that some of the adult victims could 53 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: actually have been co conspirators. So there is a scenario 54 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: that some of these things are connected, um, and that 55 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: it's larger than one person. So we already all believe that, 56 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, this wasn't all the work of one monster, 57 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: but it could be the work of a few people 58 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: working together. And then some of some other things that 59 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: are can be unrelated, some things that are related to 60 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: those um that those houses and some of those victims 61 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: that work at those houses that also weren't related to 62 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: Wayne Williams or any other co conspirators with Wayne Williams. 63 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: So just you know, like I said, there's just not 64 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: enough evidence to point that that is true or false. 65 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: So it's one of the things we didn't really dive 66 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: deep into because it's a big question mark. So we 67 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: kind of focused on, you know, the larger issues in 68 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: front of us that we had, you know, more evidence 69 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: to point to. It was called Uncle Tom's Cabin, was 70 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: the nickname that it was given in the media. Vincent Hill, 71 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: the former police officer, was a huge advocate of this theory, 72 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: and he had his own evidence. He showed me he 73 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: firmly believed that there was a real connection between this 74 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: Uncle Tom's Cabin and the Atlantic child murders, and based 75 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: on what he showed me, I think that at least 76 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: a few of the victims were connected. But the question remains, 77 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: did it have to do with Wayne Williams. Is there 78 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: a bigger story here or are we looking at a 79 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: bunch of different murders by different people. Yeah, I mean, 80 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: like tim Timothy Hill was at Tom Terrell's house the 81 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: day before he went missing and was supposed to return, 82 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: and you can't just you can't dismiss that. But it's 83 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: hard to put those connections together so many years later. 84 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: That's the problem with this Everyone says, it's so confusing. 85 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: It is confusing. It there's no way to make it 86 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: all makes sense, because I firmly believe it doesn't all 87 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: make sense. It doesn't all connect. There's not one big 88 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: puzzle here that makes sense. And this is this explains everything, right, 89 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: We're talking about different things that happened, right. I think 90 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: one thing that we make the mistake of just the 91 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: general public when we look at, um a crime like 92 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: this is trying to find the one after that solves everything. 93 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: And also that trying to look at every child name 94 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: that appears on a list and saying that, um, all 95 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: of the evidence has to fit every single victim, and 96 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: when one doesn't fit, we can't throw it all out. 97 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: It makes me that that evidence are that assailant or 98 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, the person responsible for one is not responsive 99 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: for the other. There's definitely a world where several of 100 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: these victims are murdered for several different reasons, some associated 101 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: with one killer, some associated with this house, some by 102 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: street violence. And all that evidences is no way's gonna 103 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: all match up. And and one thing is true, and 104 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: that's that sex rings were a real thing in Atlanta 105 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: and other cities. UM, We're gonna share a c from 106 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: another another caller who actually know her father was named 107 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: Wayne Williams and was in the phone book, and they 108 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: got all kinds of nasty calls. And here she shares 109 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: a story of some of the sex ring activities that 110 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: we're having in Cabbage Town here in Atlanta. I lived 111 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: in MND Park at the time, which is just on 112 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: the other side of the tracks from where everything was happening. 113 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: I had a lot of memories of it. I know 114 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: for a fact that there was a kitty pornography ring 115 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: that was going on in Cabbage Town at the time. 116 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: And I noticed for a fact because I rode the 117 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: school bus with a lot of the boys who would 118 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: whisper about getting paid for ppe pictures. Have that you know, 119 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: kind of burned into my brain. This is there from 120 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: Los Angeles that I know, you guys kind of touched 121 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: on this before, but there's never been on any serious 122 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: te quarry on whether Wayne possibly partnered with his father 123 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: in these murders. The fibers from the house being on 124 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: the victims. It seems to me the only good way 125 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: to get a fiber onto a victim his direct contact 126 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: with the fibers themselves and though the victims were brought 127 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: home and disposed of, and even photographs. Most serial killers 128 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: have a trophy aspect to them, and Wayne dead with 129 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: a photographer and doing taking pictures of the funerals afterwards. 130 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: That's a good point. It would be merely speculation to 131 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: talk about that at all. But one thing I do 132 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: find interesting is that you take all the evidence against 133 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: Wayne Williams, it would also match his father, all the 134 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: carpet fibers, everything would be the same. So it is interesting. 135 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: And I don't know much about their relationship. I asked 136 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: Wayne a few times about his father, but he never 137 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: really got into it, which I found also was kind 138 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: of strange. And they had a strained relationship, and we 139 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: we kind of briefly touched on that they've had an 140 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: argument out in a parking out around the trial time. 141 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: We stayed away from trying to present a lot of 142 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: the speculation on this. We heard a lot of stories 143 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: that we actually did not put in the podcast. Um, 144 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: but I will say this, We do know that Homer 145 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: Williams was the only photographer at the Frank Sinatra Sammy 146 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: Davis Junior Benefit concert. We do know that he was 147 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: on stage with Frank Sinatra. We do know that he 148 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: took the iconic photo of Sammy Davis Jr. And maer 149 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: casim Read. But there's there's lots of questions, Like one 150 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: of the things we heard over and over again was 151 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: Wayne and Homer are showing up at the funerals. They're 152 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: showing up at the at the case sites where the 153 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: bodies were. I can tell you personally, I looked at 154 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: hours and hours and hours of video footage and never 155 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: saw it. So we're not going to make a statement 156 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: on that, Like I've never seen it with my own eyes, 157 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: so to present that out there just doesn't make sense. 158 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: We do know that Chet Deutlinger talked about Homer being 159 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: there at Jimmy Ray Paine's funeral, and we did discuss 160 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: kind of that connection. Uh, We've heard lots of things. 161 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: Chat also talks about he actually met with Homer and 162 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: Wayne a lot. He met Wayne and jail. He went 163 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: to their residence when Wayne was in jail and Homer 164 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: was at home and talked with him about the fact 165 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: that they took boxes and put him in dumpsters near 166 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: on nearby downtown school, and the fact that Homer had 167 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: all kinds of photography that he burned, and he admitted 168 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: to doing it, but he said, you know, it was 169 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: just unclaimed extra copies of stuff, and and even so 170 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: I'll burn him and not just throw him away. Yeah, 171 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: and this was in the kind of clean up phase. 172 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: He said, Um, they were unclaimed extra copies and photos 173 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: that just didn't turn out right. And Chet said, I've 174 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: never been satisfied with any part of the explanation about 175 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: the cleanup, either Wayne's or Homer's. The best I can 176 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: say is it could be true. Mhm. Hi, my name 177 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: is Laurie. So several years ago I read the book 178 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: Mine Hunter by John Douglas. He is one of the 179 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: people that basically founded the field of criminal profiling. That's 180 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: a really fascinating book. And he had an entire chapter 181 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: on the Atlanta child murders and in that chapter he 182 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: describes exactly what was in the profile before they caught 183 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: Wayne Williams and it is absolutely uncanny. Yes, I've read that. 184 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: I've read that section of his book, Mine Hunter. Um, 185 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: we did try to reach out to John Douglas early on. Uh, 186 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: the name John Douglas came up multiple times in the FBI. 187 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: Everyone we talked to really looked up to this person. 188 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: He was a brilliant man. He's still around and we 189 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: tried to reach out to him early on, but we 190 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 1: were not able to get an interview lined up. I 191 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: think there was a sort of conflict of interest with 192 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: the My Hunter show and our show. But you know, 193 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: he expressed that he would like to do it, but 194 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: it didn't work out. But you know, everyone we talked 195 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: to an FBI really looked up to this guy, and 196 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: he was sort of the mastermind of creating these FBI 197 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: profiles like this. Some of them are even his students. 198 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: I think Popcorn said he went to John Douglas's class 199 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: and things like that. Yeah, it's pretty interesting, it is. 200 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: It's really interesting with the extra context of watching Mine 201 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: Hunter and seeing some of those classes conducted to kind 202 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: of it's gonna be really interesting to see how that 203 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: the rumored kind of um coverage of Wayne Williams in 204 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: the Atlanta child murders in season two of Mine Hunter 205 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: plays out based on everything that we know. Hi, my 206 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: name was Kia. A few episodes back, you talked to 207 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: a gentleman that was abdusted in a car and kind 208 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: of got out, but the plastic seats kind of grabbed 209 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: the back of the pick that was in his pocket, 210 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: and on his way out, the guy who kind of 211 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: sort of maybe looked like Wayne Williams said goodbye and 212 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: called and by his name. Did you think any deeper 213 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: into that story? Did you revisit it? Because it sounds 214 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: like there's somebody out there that was snatching kids that 215 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: looked very much like Wayne Williams. I don't have enough information, 216 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: but I was just curious. That story stuck with me 217 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: by Rodney, that's what he said. It was extremely erie. 218 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: It's a bizarre story. I don't know what else to 219 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: say about it, to be honest, I don't. I don't 220 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: know where to look for more information on that to 221 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: build a bigger story out of it. This guy was 222 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: being one sincere to me. He had never told anyone 223 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: publicly this story before. And we've also heard after that 224 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: a few other stories that make it sound like there 225 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: was maybe this guy who resembled Wayne Williams who was 226 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 1: roaming around the streets of Atlanta in abducting kids, or 227 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: at least attempting to. Is that true. I don't know. 228 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: I cannot say for certain if it is or not. 229 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: Either when you slice it, it seems like there was 230 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: someone who looked like Wayne Williams who was out in 231 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: Atlanta at that time abducting kids, or at least attempting to. 232 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: Was it Wayne? This guy says for certain it was not. 233 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: He knew what Wayne looked like and it wasn't him. 234 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: So was there someone else out there? I don't know, Okay, 235 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: So Wayne's look seems to be unique to us. I 236 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: think now in two thousand eighteen, we here, here's the 237 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: guy with afro and glasses, and it seems almost like 238 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: this iconic, you know, pictures that we've seen of Wayne Williams. 239 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: But at the time, it's been suggested to us many 240 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: times that that was not a unique look. Lots of 241 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: people had that hairstyle, lots of people had those same 242 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: types of glasses at that time, and so it's possible 243 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: that there was someone who looked a lot like him. 244 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill even said I looked like that, My dad 245 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: looked like that, We all looked like that. Yeah, that 246 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: was a go to look, you know, late seventies, early eighties, 247 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: So not surprising that you know, someone else is out 248 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: there and being mistaken for Wayne Williams. If that's what 249 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: you know, what the look was I think what gives 250 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: UM a little more creagence to some of the other 251 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: eyewitnesses is them being able to also say that guy had, 252 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, abrasions or a scar on his face. And 253 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: I think that's um kind of what sets the idea 254 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: apart from, you know, the people who say it definitely 255 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: wasn't Wayne, and people say that it was him. When 256 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: I listened to the interview with Rodney for the first time, 257 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: it was just a stunning story by itself, but I 258 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: was also struck by the story of the driver giving 259 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: Rodney drugs and not really knowing what was in that. 260 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: The question has come up multiple times, how do you 261 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: get these scrappy kids in your car or you know, 262 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: take them and kill them and without having a scratch 263 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: or out having scars. And Wayne's just five seven and 264 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: a pudgy guy, and it just it's always kind of 265 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: bothered me that maybe that was the trick, right, is 266 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: giving these young kids some concoction that that reduced their resistance. 267 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, there was something that's always kind of 268 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: bugged me about that, and that being the almost like 269 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: the candy that the strangers giving these kids to uh 270 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: to make them more vulnerable. Because I think there is 271 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: a point to these kids being tough and scrappy and 272 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: on the streets that would be difficult to take down. 273 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: I think the power that you're talking about when it 274 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: comes to serial killers is in their manipulation. Every serial 275 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: killer manipulated their victims and gained their trust somehow. I 276 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: think that we often underestimate what that is. I think 277 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: that if you're a psychopath, your sociopath, you have all 278 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: these traits and you're trying to kill somebody, you are 279 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: convincing them of everything you need to to get them 280 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: in your car. Yeah. And if you remember the kind 281 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: of anonymous interview that we played in one of the 282 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: episodes um of the Guy That Knew Wayne and and 283 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: Jojo Bell, he talked about how Wayne had a network 284 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: of spies that were kids helping him watch the neighborhood. 285 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: So again, if he is the person his ability to 286 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: kind of manipulate those kids and have them act on 287 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: his behalf, it's pretty powerful. This is Jenny Kafka and Ediston, 288 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: New Jersey. How has the podcast shaken things up with 289 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: the law enforcement? Have they been responding, has they've been acting, 290 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: has they've been pursuing um or reevaluating because of what 291 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: you're doing. I highly doubt it. I think that this 292 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: is a very old case. Uh. The FBI is happy 293 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: with the way this ended. It's closed in their minds. 294 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: I don't think way Williams is getting out of prison 295 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: anytime soon, regardless of whether or not he's guilty or innocent. 296 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: That's just the way it is now. It's been almost 297 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: forty years. I don't think the police feel compelled to 298 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: go back through their own information in their own cases 299 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: and try to find something, try to find something that 300 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: was missing before. I don't think it's in the city's 301 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: best interest for that to happen either. I think that 302 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: the important part of Atlanta Monster is not just whether 303 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: or not Wayne Williams killed anybody. It's just the retelling 304 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: of the story as a whole. Just like I had 305 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: never heard this story, there were plenty of other people 306 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: who had never heard the story too, even my parents. 307 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: They were around in Atlanta at this time, but I've 308 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: never been told this story, and they remember did it 309 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: way differently. They didn't have all the facts, they only 310 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 1: were They were limited to what they saw on the news. 311 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: And my dad told me he didn't have a TV 312 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: in his in his apartment, so he only saw the 313 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: news at dunkin Donuts or something so so much it's 314 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: always archived stuff we're going through. But who all saw that? 315 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: I mean not everybody, to be honest. It's night one. Yeah, 316 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: I mean just just look at look at your life today. 317 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: You know, if you if you're you get busy for 318 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: a few days and you don't watch the six o'clock 319 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: news and o'clock news, you're not up to date on 320 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: everything that's happening. And we have the internet, so you 321 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: think about in in the late seventies, you know, you 322 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: you missed the evening news and for a couple of 323 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: days you're completely outdated. So if you don't have a TV. 324 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: So yeah, just it's a it's a lot. You know, 325 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: the flow of information isn't uh the way the way 326 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: it is now is completely different than how it was then. 327 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: And you know, people are gonna hear this story through 328 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: a lens or you know, through a different I guess 329 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: lens may not be the right word, but you know 330 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: they're going to hear this story, um, and it's going 331 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: to come with a twist on on it based off 332 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: who's telling it to you. You know, based on your community, 333 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: based on your age, um. But I think overall the 334 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: you know the good question, I think that you know 335 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: you answered it perfectly. I mean, it's a case closed, 336 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: like we got our guy, and we're not going to 337 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: go revis anything, especially if it's going to kick us 338 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: some dusted we don't want to get into. That's that's 339 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: the opinion of local and federal law enforcement. Yeah, I 340 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: think to law enforcement, this is done. And if you 341 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: remember from the last two episodes, um, every child's case 342 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: that they thought was connected in a compelling way with 343 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: trace evidence and circumstantial evidence, they brought those up in trial. 344 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: So though it didn't maybe make the news that way, 345 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: and many people don't think that the kids were tried 346 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: and they and they weren't. Their cases were tried, um, 347 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: but they still brought those up. So I don't know 348 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: why they would ever reopen these cases. I don't think 349 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: they're going to get more evidence on those cases. That's 350 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: why they were so flimsy. But they connected in some 351 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: way through you know, fibers to the two cases they 352 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: had more evidence for, and that's Nathaniel Cater and Jimmy Raypain, right. 353 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: And I think I think The problem that I have, 354 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: and then maybe some of the listeners have as well, 355 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: is that they didn't just close the cases that were 356 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: brought up in court. And there is the you know, 357 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: elephant in the room. So those parents, you know, not 358 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: only was there a child never brought up in court, 359 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: but you know, they were never never had there was 360 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: never a trial, there was never anything. Those cases were 361 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: just closed. And I think that's where you know, the 362 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: big issue lies. So, uh, if there was going to 363 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: be an effort to look into something, I think it 364 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: should be into the cases that were not brought up 365 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: in court that we aren't so sure that he did. 366 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: But I think we've said it before that you know, 367 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: if you close twelve cases and there are thirty, there's 368 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: still an Atlanta child writer out there. And I think 369 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: that's what the city was dealing with at the time. 370 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: So I think they politically, you know, they were motivated 371 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: to close you know, the majority of these cases, which 372 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: they did, and I think there that's where the injustice 373 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: came in. Yeah, so I guess that's not necessarily opening 374 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: up Wayne Williams case. Again, it's like those outlying undetermined cases, right, 375 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: but they would have to admit that those outlying on 376 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: determined cases. UM, we're not coming by Wayne Williams, and 377 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: they've already closed and attributed over twelve that were not 378 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: brought into court, and that, you know, there's the there's 379 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: a difference. Yeah. I would love to just view all 380 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 1: the stuff that never got presented to the public, because 381 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: I mean, this went on for a couple of years, 382 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 1: and I think that is kind of the unknown question 383 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: of what happened within the task force, within ap D, 384 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: within the FBI, What leads did they get and not follow, 385 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: What kind of conversations did they have if they were 386 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: talking to Tom Tarrell and investigating the sex ring, what 387 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: was that investigation like and how come it was not presented. Hi, 388 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: my name is Kelly. It was listening to another true 389 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 1: crime podcasts and it was about the freeway sansom slangs 390 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: that happened in the seventies. UM there were six young 391 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: DC females who disappeared and were found off the side 392 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: of freeways, um strangled and dead and raped. UM. This 393 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: was prior to the Atlanta Monsters appearance. But the link 394 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: that was most intriguing to me is that in both cases, 395 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: these were young children from enfranchise communities who also had 396 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: green carpet fibers found on them and on their clothing 397 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: and possessions. So I just thought that that was a 398 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: really interesting link. I'm not sure if anyone has investigated 399 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: the links between these two serial murders, but UM, I 400 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: thought that I would call in in the off chance 401 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: that it could be a helpful trip. Firstly, I think 402 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: it's important to reiterate that there are many, many types 403 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: of green fibers, and I think it's a misconception that 404 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: green is the thing that made these fibers stand out. 405 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: In the Williams case. It wasn't that they were UM green, 406 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: it was that the green carpet fibers they did find 407 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: had this unusual structure that was trilobal and it was 408 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: called the Wellman one A one B and it was 409 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: among fibers, extremely rare. So it's not inconceivable that other cases, 410 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: UM They're victims would be tied together through fibers, even 411 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: green fibers, even green carpet fibers, but it was the 412 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: lynch pen in this case because the fibers were so rare. UM, 413 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with the fibers in the case that 414 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: UM you're bringing up, but I think that it would 415 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: be very unlikely that there's any tie at all, because 416 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: we when we narrowed it down with Larry Peterson, the 417 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: fiber analyst, it was like, maybe eighty two rooms in 418 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: Georgia might have that carpet. Maybe, Hi, I have a 419 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: question for you in the team. Out of this listening 420 00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:01,719 Speaker 1: to episodes, and I was wondering, were given a story 421 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: actually like got in contact with the police or the 422 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: family member was going to contact with the police. So 423 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: out of the three stories that I was told, um, 424 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: only one person did go to the cops, and that 425 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: was the man who ended up in prison with way Williams. Ironically, 426 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: years later, he said he did tell the police about 427 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: what happened to him, and they came to his house 428 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: and they uh asked some questions about what happened, and 429 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: they seemed interested, but it's just kind of ended there, 430 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: and uh they never followed up after that. But he 431 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: did make an attempt to tell law enforcement. They did 432 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: come to his house and they asked a bunch of questions, 433 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: but it pretty much just ended there. Hey, Kane and Team. 434 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: My name is Jason. I'm a big fan of your 435 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: work and i'm your podcast. I loved I'thing vanished, and 436 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: I just got finishing with the Atlanta Monster. With I've 437 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: been Vanished, I felt that there was a very clear win, 438 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: if you want to call it that with the evidence 439 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: that was uncovered, kind of turned a new leaf in 440 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: the investigation went to Atlanta Monster, or I didn't feel 441 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: it was kind of the same way. So really, I 442 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: was just curious pain on a personal level. If you 443 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: were convinced that Wayne Williams is innocent or are you 444 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: convinced that Wayne Williams was in fact the Atlanta Monster. 445 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: Oh man, that's the tough one to answer right there. 446 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm not convinced of his innocence or his guilt, to 447 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: be honest. But what I'll tell you is that Wayne 448 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: Williams lied to me. He lied to me about the 449 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: bridge incident and the club on multiple occasions, and I 450 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: called him out on it. Why was he lying to me? 451 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,479 Speaker 1: Is it because he killed Nathaniel Cater that night? Or 452 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: is it because he was doing something suspicious and it 453 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: just makes him look bad. If that's the case, then 454 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: why not, almost forty years later, come out and say, hey, 455 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I lied about this. This is why it 456 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. But I still didn't kill anybody. 457 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: He's not saying that. He's still lying for some reason. 458 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: Why is that? You know? And I also can't argue 459 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: with the fiber of it. It's you know, it's funny 460 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: because you know, on the way up to Larry Peterson's house, 461 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: I was with Meredith and we were both talking about 462 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: how man, we really think that Wayne maybe didn't do this. 463 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: Maybe he's innocent. It just sounds two perfect things don't 464 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: add up all the way. What's the deal here? Maybe 465 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: he's innocent. When we left after about a four hour 466 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: conversation with Larry Peterson, we both looked at each other 467 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: and said, I think he did it. So I don't know. 468 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: I've gone back and forth a lot, but I don't 469 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: want to be the guy who says you should believe this, 470 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: or you should believe that what I wanted to do 471 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: was present the whole story, and have you decide and 472 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: have you understand why this has been so puzzling for 473 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: so long? And also the focus should not be Wayam Williams. 474 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: It should be the kids. It should be what happened 475 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: almost forty years ago that was wrong. There were things 476 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: that were done the wrong way in this case, and 477 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: there's things to learn from. It's also an important part 478 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: of our culture to know how things were and how 479 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: they are to a So those are the more important 480 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: factors that I would like to focus on. Did he 481 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: do it? I don't know, but he lied to me 482 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: and he's very suspicious. Thanks for listening to part two 483 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: of our Q and A session. If you have any 484 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: questions of your own, please call us at one eight 485 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: three three to eight five six six six seven. Again 486 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: that's one three, three five six six six seven, and 487 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: be on the lookout for more specials of Atlanta Monster 488 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: this summer.