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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Mollie John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and the CBO says the deficit will

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Speaker 1: be two hundred and billion dollars more than initially expected.

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Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today. Platypus

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Speaker 1: Economics own Justin Wolfer stops by to talk about Trump

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Speaker 1: losing the confidence of the GOP on the economy.

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Speaker 2: Then we'll talk to Reproductive.

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Speaker 1: Freedom for All Mini Timaraju about why Democrats aren't mobilizing

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Speaker 1: voters on abortion.

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Speaker 2: But first the news.

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Speaker 3: MOLLI, you don't got Caroline Levitt to kick around anymore,

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Speaker 3: and many people are hypothesizing why she left so suddenly

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Speaker 3: her post as chief propagandist on the podium for mister Trump.

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Speaker 4: Do you have any thoughts?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it turns out that we won't have her to

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Speaker 1: kick around, but neither will he. So she was on

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Speaker 1: maternity leave and the reporting says that he would not

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Speaker 1: stop calling her and that he did not respect her

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Speaker 1: personal space. And I know that is shocking because Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is known to be a big personal space respector.

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Speaker 1: Levitt wrote on X I cannot be the best mom

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Speaker 1: to my two young children while devoting the constant time

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Speaker 1: One wonders if that is constant time, energy and attention

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a dig at the eighty year

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Speaker 1: old president who wants to be the baby. She has

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Speaker 1: Look again, I don't want to defend Carolyn love It,

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Speaker 1: so let's just say this very skilled propagandist will ultimately

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Speaker 1: probably end up on fire news one day leaving the

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Speaker 1: White House so she can raise her kids. Would be

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Speaker 1: nice if everyone could get the kind of maturity leave

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Speaker 1: that she got, And also would be nice if we

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Speaker 1: had a press secretary who answered questions and was honest

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Speaker 1: and told.

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Speaker 2: People, told people the truth, and in berate them.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a real tension between having a job

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Speaker 1: and being a mom. I mean, anyone who says otherwise

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Speaker 1: is kind of lyned. But you know, this is not what.

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Speaker 2: This is about.

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Speaker 1: Really. This is about a very skilled propagandist who decided.

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Speaker 2: She didn't want to do it anymore.

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Speaker 1: And maybe it's because she wants to spend time with

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Speaker 1: your kids, and maybe it's because of the emotional toll

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Speaker 1: that defending this president takes, especially in a world where

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Speaker 1: this president has famously low approval rating.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so low is store.

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Speaker 1: I mean, nobody's like the nineteen fifties as has gone

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Speaker 1: So you know, this would be as good time, as

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Speaker 1: good a time as any to jump off of this

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, I'm not so into palace intrigue.

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Speaker 4: I find it pretty boring. But the sudden departure does

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Speaker 4: the White House is scrambling to fill this role, and

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Speaker 4: some speculate it will be filled by Scott Jennings, who

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Speaker 4: get sued for defamation by Hassan Piker for taking him

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Speaker 4: out of context where he was saying examples of what

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, there are a lot of choices. All

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Speaker 1: There's the possibility, by the way, now Attalie Harp, Katie Miller,

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Speaker 2: But Jesus Christ, it's not very feminist, no.

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Speaker 4: But sometimes a speed is also a spade.

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Speaker 1: Or I mean, Jesus Christ is Stephen Miller was like,

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Speaker 1: I mean Eric Swawell. You know, there's being disappointed by

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Speaker 2: Could be the Press secretary if they are a liar.

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Speaker 1: And on Fox News, Carrie Lake is being floated, you know,

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Speaker 2: Alena Habba, you remember Alena Habba, She's very good, damned unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe I'll bring back Sean Spicer, I would.

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Speaker 1: And you know the point it's not the press secretary

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Speaker 2: It's the administration.

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Speaker 4: So Trump has new vandals to freak out over. World

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Speaker 4: War Two memorial was sprayed with red graffiti, and so

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Speaker 4: now Judge Janine has her chance to actually get actual

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Speaker 2: Remember you'll remember this from.

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Speaker 1: From this endless reflecting pool fuck ery. Basically, Trump wanted

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Speaker 1: Well, we found some vandals and they vandalized the World

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Speaker 1: obviously Donald Trump is going to freak out. That likely

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Speaker 1: spend a long time trying to investigate whoever did it.

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Speaker 1: The good news is, for whoever did it, Cash Battel

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Speaker 2: You will never be caught. That's that's what I have

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Speaker 4: I thought that one of the great clips of This

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Speaker 4: talked about Trump selling insider trading secrets for one hundred

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is like there's an entire little

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Speaker 2: Here's a quote from the.

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Speaker 1: to even fathom a few years ago. Nothing could be

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Speaker 1: more antithetical to the free independent press and the president

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Speaker 1: Like it just strikes me as like kind of penny wise,

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Speaker 4: So it's like a nice biography date for him.

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Speaker 2: So and it also just sounds like it's never gonna work.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my guess is that someone at True Social wanted.

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Speaker 2: To pump up this.

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Speaker 1: Justin Wolphers is the founder of Platypus Economics. Welcome, Welcome,

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Speaker 1: Justin Morphers. Good to see Molly, Good to see you.

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Speaker 1: The economy is you know what it's like, this truism.

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Speaker 1: The president is blamed for the economy, no matter what

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Speaker 1: president it is, and in this case it's really his fault.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the hard thing, which is spent literally two

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Speaker 5: decades talking to incredible media celebrities like yourself, oh yeah,

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Speaker 5: and political pundits. Recent facelift has and now I love it,

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Speaker 5: I love it, I love your business. If you haven't

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Speaker 5: seen it facts, you should definitely watch Molly be proud

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Speaker 5: in others proud. But I spent two decades basically saying,

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Speaker 5: all these political pundits want to score every economic number

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Speaker 5: say the coronavirus or an oil price shock, or in

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Speaker 5: is not really due to the politician, and so we

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Speaker 5: should quit with this nonsense. I'm also sure that the

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Speaker 5: trade war was chosen by a politician. That the Iran

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Speaker 5: some of those other shocks. All of that's caused by

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Speaker 5: a politician. Now let me just add one thing if

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Speaker 5: I also want to recognize the economies actually doing. Ok Now,

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Speaker 5: to say, maybe that wasn't caused by a politician. Which

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Speaker 5: White House policy. So that's back to the old dictum

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Speaker 5: I would have told you many years ago. Not everything

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Speaker 1: Right, and mostly the economy is blamed. The president is

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Speaker 1: this case, the trade war a really good example.

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Speaker 6: It was bad idea.

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Speaker 5: It was a bad idea at the start, it was

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Speaker 5: My I want to throw one more thing onto your

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Speaker 5: The first Trump budget, the so called one big beautiful

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Speaker 5: And so this is I, you know, the forgotten man

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Speaker 6: Is the poor.

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Speaker 5: And we have seen over the past year four million

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Speaker 5: kicked off food stamps. Yeah, now called snaps crazy. They

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Speaker 5: A lot of what's happened there is basically the Trump

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Speaker 5: And there's more to come on this. So the trade

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Speaker 5: The point I'm trying to make there is the reality

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Speaker 6: Are you flirting with me, Molly stagflation?

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Speaker 5: That S word is much longer one than I thought

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Speaker 5: Discuss So, first of all, you are more of a

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 5: Yes, your concern that the president would love to goose

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Speaker 5: But the one thing is Handsome Kevin cannot deliver the

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Speaker 1: So I'm glad to hear it or not worried about

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Speaker 7: Happy Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Oh happy.

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Speaker 5: Don't you wish you had people like that in your

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Speaker 5: me about my hair, and he'd feel like, your hair

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Speaker 2: He's just a liar or what's going on there?

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Speaker 5: Yes, he's just a liar. Look, I don't like to

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Speaker 5: an economic advisor who can't tell the truth, and maybe

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Speaker 5: is not even sure what the truth is or is

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Speaker 5: abandoned the truth. If you're trying to fix what ails

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Speaker 5: an economy that you made up and imagined, you'll get

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Speaker 5: it wrong every single time. There is no other anchor

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Speaker 5: for economic policy than the truth. Maybe when he's at

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Speaker 5: home late at night he understands the truth, but then

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Speaker 5: he's just being dishonest with us. It's very hard to

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Speaker 5: sell a political message if it's not grounded in truth. Again,

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Speaker 5: I just sort of latest Michigan survey. It suggests that

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Speaker 5: the share of Americans who believe that economic policy in

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Speaker 5: this country is currently poor is at all time high.

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Speaker 5: And if the main spokesperson about economic policy is a

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Speaker 5: guy who smiles a lot, I think that's a big

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Speaker 5: positive love smiling, but then lies and won't see, admit, acknowledge,

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Speaker 5: or even appear to be aware of the realities of

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Speaker 5: our lives. I wouldn't judge that economic policy well either.

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Speaker 1: So I want you to if you had a if

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Speaker 1: you had one thing Donald Trump could do to fix

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Speaker 1: to shore up this economy and help himself going into

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Speaker 1: the midterms, what would it.

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Speaker 5: Be made the bed for what we look like in November.

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Speaker 5: This is where we get closer to what you're better

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Speaker 5: at than me, because I only can answer what could

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Speaker 5: you do to actually change the economy. I mean, there's

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Speaker 5: a few things quickly.

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Speaker 2: If they.

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Speaker 5: Gave voice to a serious fiscal plan, that would make

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Speaker 5: bond markets much more comfortable, and that would lower long

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Speaker 5: term interest rates. The problem is right now that bond

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Speaker 5: markets don't believe that the president has a plan. It

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Speaker 5: would be very difficult at this point for him to

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Speaker 5: convince them, because he's frequently dishonest the other vein.

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Speaker 2: Once you lose that trust, you could never get a better.

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Speaker 5: Lying layers lie, and it takes a long time to

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Speaker 5: be convinced that you're no longer a lying layer. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: getting the disruptions in Iran is a very very rapid

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Speaker 5: link between what happens in Iran and what happens in

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Speaker 5: our lives. Most obviously, you could literally cause gas prices

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Speaker 5: to fall next week were we to move to some

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Speaker 5: enduring solution. The problem is now, I did account several

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Speaker 5: weeks ago where the President had said that we're on

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Speaker 5: the cuspop of a deal something like fifty times, and

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Speaker 5: since then he's done it another dozen times. So the

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Speaker 5: announcement that we're on the cusp of a deal or

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Speaker 5: even the announcement of a deal, I think wouldn't do

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Speaker 5: much to move things, which is the credibility is shot

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Speaker 5: once again. And then I think the broader thing is

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Speaker 5: the stuff you know more about, which is, while the

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Speaker 5: policies won't be able to change the reality in real time,

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Speaker 5: a movement in the policies might change people's judgment about

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Speaker 5: the economic bona fides of this presidency. Do we want

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Speaker 5: to keep following extremely idiosyncratic ideas? Idiosyncratics my polite word

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Speaker 5: or dumb? So you are more direct than I am,

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Speaker 5: but that's your great strength. Yeah, I'm going to go

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Speaker 5: with you. Dumb. A lot of it's.

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Speaker 1: Dumb, justin Wolf, will you come back.

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Speaker 5: Only Molly if you invite me?

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Speaker 1: And what about this little dog which, let the record show,

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Speaker 1: tiny dog Mini Timuraju is the president of Reproductive Freedom

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Speaker 1: for All art and so interesting and important. Okay, good,

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Speaker 1: and we're not there. One have probably won a video, but.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, so I'll don't worry about it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so welcome, welcome, Ira. Hi.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking off camera about I said, I just

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Speaker 1: am not hearing about abortion at all. And yeah, so

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Speaker 1: the question is why among other things, but why so

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Speaker 1: a couple of things.

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Speaker 7: There's there's like two two buckets of this.

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Speaker 8: One is like about the weekly call I get from

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Speaker 8: a reporter or.

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Speaker 7: You know, a pundit.

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Speaker 8: Abortion's salient? Is abortion salient? Is abortion abortion important? Is

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Speaker 8: it going to be important? You know? That is part

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Speaker 8: of the challenge Molly of our post twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 8: you know, narrative coming out of twenty to twenty four.

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Speaker 8: There's this sort of political assumption that because Kamala came

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Speaker 8: in and tried to close her one of her closing

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Speaker 8: arguments was on repro, in part because Biden was never

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Speaker 8: that comfortable with repro, and it was a huge contrast

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Speaker 8: Postobbs first presidential and she didn't win. We've been fucking

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Speaker 8: this perception that abortion was a loser, except when you

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Speaker 8: look down ballot, especially at the tight races of the Senate.

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Speaker 8: In the House, abortion was the driver Alyssa slog and

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Speaker 8: Mike Rogers, Mike Rodgers up against now up again, she

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Speaker 8: will say it was the number one closing argument against

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Speaker 8: Mike Rogers.

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Speaker 6: And it's still wow, Yes, that's really interesting.

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Speaker 8: Multiple times on the record saying this to candidates saying

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Speaker 8: the dubdual.

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Speaker 7: Also you saying this to folks in.

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Speaker 8: The movements, so we know even now in all the polling,

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Speaker 8: if you talk to any candidate in cycle, it's one

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Speaker 8: of the most if not the most salient closer. Being

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Speaker 8: in support of a national abortion ban is disqualifying for

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Speaker 8: any Republican. And with the latest nonsense from Todd Blanche,

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Speaker 8: we now have this back in the headlines. I think

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Speaker 8: as we go into the general election where we have

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Speaker 8: actual contrast between Acrosts and Republicans on this issue, you're

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Speaker 8: going to see it come back up because they have

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Speaker 8: to win the win these fights. But we always have

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Speaker 8: this loud and vocal minority, I'll be blunt, mostly white

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Speaker 8: dudes in our party ecosystem who just don't want to

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Speaker 8: talk about this and continue to try.

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Speaker 7: To push it to the back burner.

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Speaker 8: They don't want this to be the defining issue, which

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Speaker 8: is insane because it's a winning issue and frankly, our humanity,

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Speaker 8: yours and mine.

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Speaker 7: Depends on it.

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Speaker 8: The majority of the electorate depends on it, so that

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Speaker 8: it's desbrating.

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Speaker 1: You're very I'm sorry to interrupt you very You're very

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Speaker 1: smart and often you're thinking about things that I you know,

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Speaker 1: because you're thinking about this topic so much. Do you

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Speaker 1: like the idea that this was a closing argument for Harris?

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Speaker 1: And now that Harris lost, you know, it was like,

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Speaker 1: oh women, you know, a woman candidate lost again.

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Speaker 6: Okay, we won't do that anymore. But right, which is

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Speaker 6: which you know, the party is voter primary. Voters are

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Speaker 6: welcome to make the decisions they'll make.

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Speaker 1: But like the idea that losing a constitutional right is

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Speaker 1: not a salient issue was kind of insane.

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Speaker 6: So when you have.

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Speaker 8: An active administration that's continuing to hammer away.

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Speaker 7: At that right, right for sure.

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Speaker 8: I was just talking to Governor Whitmer about stuff on

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Speaker 8: the ground in Michigan. You know, right off the gate,

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Speaker 8: they are already making I mean, every candidate in Michigan

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Speaker 8: is already making abortion their contrast argument.

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Speaker 1: You know, it to be.

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Speaker 8: It has to be because the stakes are so high,

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Speaker 8: and the Republicans know it. Right, Republican candidates are already

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Speaker 8: scrubbing mentions.

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Speaker 7: Of abortion bands from their websites.

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Speaker 8: Tom Tiffany and Wisconsin, he's already trying to backtrack on his.

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Speaker 7: Record on abortion.

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Speaker 8: So David Crowley today this morning, in his speech right

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Speaker 8: off the bat, talked about reproductive freedom and abortion access

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Speaker 8: because it was it's such a winning issue. We've won

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Speaker 8: three Supreme Court races around it in this last cycle.

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Speaker 8: Republicans didn't even fight us in the state Supreme because

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Speaker 8: they know they don't have a winning argument.

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Speaker 7: So it's it's tough, right, Molly.

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Speaker 8: Like, I feel like historically, the reason I'm obsessively talking

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Speaker 8: about this all the time is because this is the fight.

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Speaker 8: We show we're winning on this issue. We show it's

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Speaker 8: a moral imperative, we show it's an economic affordability issue,

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Speaker 8: we show it's a winning issue. And we're still fighting

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Speaker 8: inside our own infrastructure as a system in the Democratic

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Speaker 8: Party against some of our own friends about how much

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Speaker 8: importance to put and I'm to how many dollars to

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Speaker 8: put behind this issue to win it once and for all.

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Speaker 6: It also feels like we're in like a real backlash

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Speaker 6: to me too, and we're all psycle yes, and a

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Speaker 6: backlash to DEI, which includes yeah, and so it's all

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Speaker 6: right storm yeah.

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Speaker 8: And I think it's interesting because I want to shout out,

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Speaker 8: you know, Cheyenne Jackson and the folks who've been bringing

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Speaker 8: down Eric Swallwell you know down.

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Speaker 7: Grand Platner.

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Speaker 8: There's a backlash against me too, and yet in some

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Speaker 8: ways it's never been stronger than ever.

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Speaker 1: Right well, and definitely the Democratic Party has and I'm

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Speaker 1: proud of that, has decided that that's a red line

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Speaker 1: for them, which thank god, thank god.

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Speaker 6: No, because it looked like it might not, I mean anyway,

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Speaker 6: but they showed it.

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Speaker 7: But Molly, they thought it to the last minute. And

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Speaker 7: I'm using it among today because I don't want to

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Speaker 7: like yeah, because it's not. But so there were many.

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Speaker 8: People who thought it because they really want is going

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Speaker 8: to be the one despite an abundance of evidence. So

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Speaker 8: they saw how much that hurt our chances in Maine,

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Speaker 8: and I think that's the lesson they learned.

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Speaker 1: So let's so I'd love to talk about Maine because

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Speaker 1: I think there's a really great example there with Collins,

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Speaker 1: where she was the design you know, she confirmed the

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Speaker 1: vote for the Supreme Court justice who overturned Roby Wade.

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Speaker 8: So talking about right, she is more to blame than

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Speaker 8: anyone in cycle period. You know, I think her race,

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Speaker 8: I think her example is particularly I think she is

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Speaker 8: particularly nefarious. It's nasty because she likes to cloak herself

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Speaker 8: right in the message of I'm pro choice right, and

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Speaker 8: she likes to pretend, Oh, I'm moderate, I'm responsible, I'm bipartisan,

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Speaker 8: I'm not extreme.

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Speaker 7: Meanwhile, you have a state like Maine.

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Speaker 8: That under Janet Mills, who was the person we were

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Speaker 8: backing in the beginning for this race, and the legislature

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Speaker 8: in part led by Troy Jackson, now the nominee that

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Speaker 8: has done more on reproductive freedom and abortion rights than

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Speaker 8: anywhere else in the country, has one of the most progressive,

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Speaker 8: expensive laws in the country, abortion access all the way

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Speaker 8: through pregnancy. What Massachusetts just did, Maine had done years ago.

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Speaker 8: Maners understand independence and conservatives understand that reproductive freedom and

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Speaker 8: abortion access is something folks need at all stages of pregnancy,

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Speaker 8: and that doctors should make the decision.

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Speaker 7: Not government. They are way beyond.

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Speaker 8: Susan Collins, and they are pissed. The problem is landing

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Speaker 8: the message. You know, she is tough. She's tough one.

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Speaker 7: In many ways.

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Speaker 8: Folks trust her as somebody that they do see as

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Speaker 8: a reasonable response to Trump. But when we're able to

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Speaker 8: break through to voters and show them the devastation that's

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Speaker 8: been wrought because of her shitty votes, it does move

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Speaker 8: the needle quite a bit.

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Speaker 7: So in May, it's going to be about the.

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Speaker 8: Resources to organize and get in front of those folks. Luckily,

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Speaker 8: it's a small state and at a little goes a

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Speaker 8: long way, but you actually have to have the tough

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Speaker 8: conversations with voters. They want to like Susan Conns. They're

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Speaker 8: looking for reasons to give her a pass. But this

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Speaker 8: is the first time she's on the ballot since Dobbs,

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Speaker 8: and that Kavanaugh vote is could Kennon should be if

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Speaker 8: we do our job right fatal. And I think Troy

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Speaker 8: Jackson is a really compelling candidate.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he's turned out to be. I have

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Speaker 6: this theory of the case.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to interrupt you, but no go for said

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Speaker 1: he Troy Jackson is sort of who Graham Plattina pretended

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Speaker 1: to be.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yes, because he's actually you know, all the generation.

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Speaker 7: He's the generation he's got. He's authentic.

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Speaker 8: But he's been in the ledge and this is important

662
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 8: because he's a record and he's been vetted. And what

663
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 8: I like about Troy Jackson why I think he's going

664
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Speaker 8: to resonate with a lot of independence and conservatives in Maine.

665
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Speaker 8: Is he has a story of evolving on this issue.

666
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Speaker 8: He's very Joe biden Ish in this way. He was

667
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 8: not pro choice over a decade ago. He was conflicted

668
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Speaker 8: on this issue, but he grappled with it, he evolved

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Speaker 8: and then became part of the leadership team that moved

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Speaker 8: this very progressive, expansive package of legislation in the state.

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Speaker 8: And I think that's a really exciting story. We want

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Speaker 8: the politicians to evolve, We want them to meet the moment.

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Speaker 8: We want them to say maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 7: We want them to go to an evolution.

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Speaker 8: And I think that makes Trijaxon even more exciting for

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Speaker 8: us as a movement.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about some of the other things that

678
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Speaker 1: are going on we have. Let's talk about the I

679
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Speaker 1: think we should talk about Todd Blanche's nefarious plans for abortion.

680
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Speaker 1: So we knewack Comstock was something they wanted to try

681
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Speaker 1: talk us through.

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Speaker 6: What you think that looks like?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so Comstock. You know, for folks, I mean all

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Speaker 8: of your listeners are following this.

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Speaker 6: No, but go for it.

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Speaker 8: You know, it's it's a pre It's an eighteen hundredth

687
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Speaker 8: law banning obscenity through the mail and Project twenty twenty

688
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 8: five outline very clearly how they can invoke the Comstock

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Speaker 8: Act to ban medication abortion by mail. And look, the

690
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Speaker 8: anti abortion extremist movement, the right to life, so called

691
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 8: right to life movement, is.

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Speaker 7: Obsessed with medication abortion.

693
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Speaker 8: And they're obsessed with it because report after report, all

694
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Speaker 8: the data shows that despite dobbs, abortion access and abortion

695
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Speaker 8: rights in this country have continued to rise because of talent.

696
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Speaker 8: Right people can get access to care in their own homes.

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Speaker 8: They can get access to care in their first trimester

698
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Speaker 8: very easily now thanks to brave doctors, smart attorneys general

699
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Speaker 8: defending those doctors in places like California and New York

700
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Speaker 8: are taking care of folks in places like Texas and Louisiana.

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Speaker 8: So they're trying to find every work around right and

702
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Speaker 8: we call it a backdoor abortion man because they can't

703
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Speaker 8: actually pass a bill to ban abortion in all fifty states.

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Speaker 7: And when the.

705
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 8: Supreme Court left it to the states, quote unquote, the

706
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 8: anti abortion movement thought they were going to have more

707
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Speaker 8: success than they've had, and we've been able to beat

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Speaker 8: them back state after state after state and ballot measure

709
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Speaker 8: after ballot measure, but also because of great work, like

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Speaker 8: our friends in the abortion provider community doing the telemedicine work.

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Speaker 8: So the Comstock Act would be a very convenient way

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Speaker 8: for them to ban medication abortion by mail without actually

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Speaker 8: addressing the abortion issue. It's also why we're seeing multiple

714
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Speaker 8: cases in the courts. One that's already gone back to

715
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Speaker 8: the Supreme Court, one that's working its way through the

716
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 8: federal courts right now, the same issue about FDA approval

717
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 8: of miphy pristone. And remember, as a reminder for folks,

718
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Speaker 8: FDA approval and FDA rules, the rems for access to

719
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Speaker 8: abortion medication by mail and through brick and mortar pharmacies

720
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Speaker 8: like a CBS or a Walgreens became liberalized during COVID

721
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 8: as part of all the changes the FDA made for

722
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Speaker 8: folks to get access to telehealth.

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Speaker 7: While Americans love telehealth, I used telehealth.

724
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Speaker 8: Constantly, My kids use it like it's a great way

725
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Speaker 8: to get access to care. Why shouldn't I get access

726
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Speaker 8: to reproductive care through telehealth? So Todd Blanche got on

727
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Speaker 8: a call with anti abortion extremists while he was neck

728
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Speaker 8: deep in this confirmation process and promised that he would

729
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Speaker 8: And I want to read this because I actually asked

730
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Speaker 8: my team to pull it because it's so much more

731
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Speaker 8: shocking to hear it than to summarize it. He said

732
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Speaker 8: that the Trump administration's efforts to restrict abortion, it's.

733
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Speaker 7: Taking longer than we want. That's what's the first. It's

734
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Speaker 7: taking longer than we want.

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Speaker 8: You know that Marty McCarey's out in part because he

736
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 8: was trying to kick the candid down the road to

737
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Speaker 8: post midterms.

738
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Speaker 2: Because they know this issue is a issue, this issue will.

739
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Speaker 7: Screw them in the midterms.

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Speaker 6: Yes, well said, yes, well deserved.

741
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Speaker 8: And he also said, so that we are working with

742
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Speaker 8: the Justice Department is quote working hand in hand with

743
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Speaker 8: federal agencies in the White House so that the Dobbs

744
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 8: decision becomes permanent in every single state. So he's basically

745
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 8: pledged to use all of government and every tool in

746
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Speaker 8: their toolbox to make sure abortion access is inaccessible in

747
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Speaker 8: every single state. If you're living in Maine and you're

748
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 8: talking about Susan Collins and Troy Jackson, that means they're

749
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Speaker 8: going to continue to put pressure on Susan Collins to

750
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Speaker 8: confirm their shitty nominees to abortion access through mail through comstock.

751
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Speaker 7: Right now, what does this means, so.

752
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Speaker 8: If you're in Maine and you're voting and it's a

753
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Speaker 8: Troy Jackson versus Susan Collins election, if you're in Alaska,

754
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Speaker 8: it's Mary Poltola versus Dan Sullivan who voted for Todd Blanche.

755
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Speaker 8: The Kansas Roger Marshall voted for Todd Blinch.

756
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Speaker 7: These guys look for a national abortion band.

757
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Speaker 8: Yeah, baby, Susan Collins didn't, but she allowed the band

758
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Speaker 8: to take place.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and just Susan Conns is not a good faith actor.

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Speaker 1: But do you think like, I think that's right, and

761
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Speaker 1: I think that I just am curious, like when we

762
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Speaker 1: look at this, the band's like, just just talk us

763
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Speaker 1: through what it's looking like with hospitals. And because I saw, yeah,

764
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Speaker 1: that information out of Texas with the stepsist stuff, the

765
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Speaker 1: the pro Publica reporting like it does strike me that already,

766
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Speaker 1: even though there are still the same number of abortions happening,

767
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Speaker 1: there are a lot of pregnant women who are getting

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Speaker 1: sepsis or being sent home.

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Speaker 8: Yes, thank you for raising that, Mally, Like, I don't

770
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Speaker 8: want to folks to misunderstand me. On one hand, the

771
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Speaker 8: abortion rights movement and reproductive freedom providers, they have continued

772
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Speaker 8: to be successful in a shitty environment, ingenuity and incredible

773
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 8: hard work and allyship from democratic governors, democratic ags. Let's

774
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Speaker 8: be clear, it does not mean that the maternal health

775
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Speaker 8: outcomes of this country, particularly in the twenty one states,

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Speaker 8: with bands and extreme restrictions and I'm talking about six

777
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Speaker 8: week bands, fifteen week bands, any kind of ban that

778
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Speaker 8: is beyond what the Row standard was, that doesn't mean

779
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Speaker 8: those maternal.

780
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Speaker 7: Health outcomes are not incredibly dire.

781
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Speaker 8: So in Texas, we continue to see sepsis race rise,

782
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Speaker 8: we continue to see clinics shutting down, We see record

783
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Speaker 8: number of providers leaving states like Texas. But you're also

784
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Speaker 8: seeing it in a place like Michigan, right where folks say, well,

785
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 8: they protected abortion access in the state constitution and they've

786
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Speaker 8: had Democratic Democratic trifecta. Well, because of the Big Beautiful Bill,

787
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 8: the big bullshit Bill, they've defunded planned parent and bland

788
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Speaker 8: parented just close three more clinics in Michigan. The whole

789
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Speaker 8: Upper Peninsula is a maternal health care desert. Folks are

790
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 8: having to drive hours and hours and hours to get

791
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Speaker 8: access to care. Telehealth can't take care of you when

792
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:24,959
Speaker 8: you're in agyn crisis, so you're seeing compounded effects. It's

793
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Speaker 8: obviously the worst in the states with the bands, where

794
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 8: doctors don't even want to see patients until they're bleeding

795
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Speaker 8: out in a parking lot, and even then they are

796
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 8: hamstrung by what they consider, you know, pretty severe liability,

797
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 8: like maybe they're gonna be thrown in jail, maybe they're

798
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Speaker 8: going to lose their license if they enact a miscarriage

799
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Speaker 8: management that is deemed abortion care right, and somebody like.

800
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Speaker 7: Ken Paxton, also on the ballot.

801
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Speaker 8: Is absolutely chomping up the bit to punish patients and

802
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 8: providers in Texas. And you've got states like California even

803
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Speaker 8: right where we've seen cases in rural parts of the

804
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Speaker 8: state where Catholic hospitals are refusing care. So it is

805
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 8: a perfect storm of confusion even in states that are protection,

806
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 8: which is why we need a federal bill and why

807
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 8: we need access to care in all fifty states. It

808
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 8: cannot be the state by state continuous mess.

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Speaker 6: We So we have Texas, we have a.

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Speaker 1: So Texas, we have a governor who wants to punish,

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Speaker 1: we have high rates of sepsis.

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Speaker 6: We have also hospitals closing. Yeah, talk us through that.

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Speaker 8: A large number of Catholic owned hospitals in Texas as well,

814
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Speaker 8: which is refusing to provide any care even in the

815
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Speaker 8: case of emergency. Texas high rates, high rates of sepsis

816
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Speaker 8: absolutely also an increasing crisis.

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Speaker 7: Of postpartum care.

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Speaker 8: You know, I was talking to a provider yesterday who

819
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Speaker 8: was pointing out to me that actually one of the

820
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Speaker 8: most dangerous times in women and I think, true, yeah, right,

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Speaker 8: And we're seeing a lot in this clancy case. It's

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Speaker 8: not just maternal health, it's not just mental health. It's

823
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Speaker 8: also physical health.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 8: There are so many cases of infection, high blood pressure.

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Speaker 8: There's been increasingly documented fatalities in states with abortion bands

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Speaker 8: and postpartum, not just during pregnancy. There's this misunderstanding that

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Speaker 8: once a baby is born, the care stops that first

829
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Speaker 8: year after birth. Anyone who's given birth knows this is

830
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Speaker 8: one of the most dangerous times in a woman's life,

831
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Speaker 8: and pregnancy is the most dangerous fatal time in a

832
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Speaker 8: woman's life. So we've got the sepsis rates, we've got

833
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Speaker 8: undocumented folks not going to get obgy in care at all,

834
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Speaker 8: and in communities because of ice rates, you've seen ice

835
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Speaker 8: actually detaining and sending pregnant teenagers.

836
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Speaker 7: To textures where they cannot get care. It is like

837
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Speaker 7: every level.

838
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Speaker 8: So when Tom Blanche says we're going to use every

839
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Speaker 8: lever of our federal government to make dobs permanent in

840
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Speaker 8: every state, believe him because they're already doing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: The challenge we have, Molly with voters is it sounds

843
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 8: too crazy to be true. So we have to keep

844
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Speaker 8: repeating this information over and over and over again to

845
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Speaker 8: voters to break through. And you know what you and

846
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Speaker 8: I were talking about right up at the top. We're

847
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 8: not getting coverage of these issues anymore. Even what's left

848
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 8: of the mainstream press right is just not covering. Our

849
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 8: friends of Republica are really out there breaking stories, life stories.

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Speaker 8: But who else is talking about about this, right, So

851
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Speaker 8: when we've done focus groups and some of these tough

852
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 8: battleground races, when we tell them what's going on, they

853
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 8: are outraged and they are shocked and they want they.

854
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Speaker 7: Don't know it, But they don't know it.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about ballot abortion measures and then tie

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Speaker 1: that to voters who might not otherwise vote.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, oh my gosh, Okay, this is so interesting.

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Speaker 8: So Missouri and Kansas We had two ballot measures recently,

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Speaker 8: one on the state Supreme Court, the electoral how did

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Speaker 8: the elections for states from court one on rules for

861
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Speaker 8: ballot measures in general. They were both designed in part

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Speaker 8: because of the success of reproductive freedom ballot measures in

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Speaker 8: both of those states, and as we know, they can't

864
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Speaker 8: win those even in republican red states like Missouri and Kansas,

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Speaker 8: so they continue to try to change the rules. We

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Speaker 8: see these as proxies for abortion access support and reproductive

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Speaker 8: freedom support.

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Speaker 7: In those states.

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Speaker 8: And both of these ballot measures were defeated in Missouri

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Speaker 8: eighty percent over eighty percent, in Kansas over sixty one percent.

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Speaker 8: So this is a very good sign for democracy, but

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Speaker 8: it's also a proxy for where folks still stand on

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Speaker 8: repro and we're going to see a Missouri in the

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Speaker 8: fall a ballot measure, another fight to repeal the ballot

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Speaker 8: measure that already won.

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Speaker 7: Missouri is so.

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Speaker 8: Interesting because it's the home of Josh frickin Holly, who

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Speaker 8: is public Enemy number one, the guy who wants to

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Speaker 8: have the cloak of I'm the.

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Speaker 6: Biggest mister anti choice.

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Speaker 7: I'm big, I'm the best at banning.

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Speaker 8: And yeah, his wife is the attorney representing these groups

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00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 8: in these medication abortion cases.

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Speaker 7: So they are the power.

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Speaker 8: Couple of anti abortion extremism until Ken Paxton gets the Senate.

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Speaker 8: If he gets the Senate, he's going to make Jolly

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Speaker 8: look like a nobody. But Josh Holly is a big

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Speaker 8: fringing threat. And what's fascinating is Missouri is not with him.

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Speaker 8: But to your point, he still gets re elected. So

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Speaker 8: this is the part that's tough. We know that when

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Speaker 8: Republicans and independence and are there's a question around abortion

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Speaker 8: access on the ballot, or there's an election statewide that's

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Speaker 8: like a state Supreme court race right there with us,

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Speaker 8: they do not have the same level of trust or

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Speaker 8: faith in Democrats. They do believe Democrats do score higher

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Speaker 8: than Republicans in terms of trust and productive freedom, but

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Speaker 8: voters do not believe consistently that Democrats will do anything

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Speaker 8: about it.

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Speaker 2: This is important.

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Speaker 8: Abortion access and reproduct freedom pulls higher and approve built

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Speaker 8: and approval and popularity than any political party. Voters don't

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Speaker 8: trust any of these guys. They certainly don't trust Democrats.

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Speaker 8: They kind of don't trust Republicans to do anything. Worse,

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Speaker 8: So when they're picking candidates, if you can sway them

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Speaker 8: of the threat and that and the Democrat can persuade

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Speaker 8: them that they're a fighter and they're going to do

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Speaker 8: something about it.

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Speaker 7: The Democrat can win on this issue.

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Speaker 8: So it's so much more about you're talking too much

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Speaker 8: about abortion, you're not talking enough about abortion, and you're

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00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 8: not persuading your voters in your states that you're a

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Speaker 8: kind of fighter that's going to do something about it.

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Speaker 1: So we see, but it's really the silver bullet in

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Speaker 1: swing in states like Minnesota. It states like I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin and Michigan. States where it's a Republican governor will

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Speaker 1: kill it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it becomes so in Nevada, we have a

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Speaker 8: ballot measure on the books right now. It's going to

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Speaker 8: be on the ballot this fall and there's going to

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Speaker 8: be a really really tight fight for governor, for attorney general,

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Speaker 8: a big fight for the legislature. And Nevada's are like,

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Speaker 8: we're protected, right, we already had bills passed.

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Speaker 7: It's not in their constitution.

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Speaker 8: And Joe Lobardo, the current governor, keeps vetoing bills he

925
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Speaker 8: vetoed and IVF bill he vetoed.

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Speaker 7: A contraception bill. Why those are moderate things.

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Speaker 8: So we've got some really tough fights and really swing

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Speaker 8: battleground races where this is going to be the defining issue.

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Speaker 8: One of the first events, I think the first campaign

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Speaker 8: event Katie Hobbs did in Arizona to launch her reelection

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Speaker 8: was with US on abortion access, touting her record because

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Speaker 8: it resonates with Republicans and independents in our state. It's

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Speaker 8: actually not a big fight we have with candidates in

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Speaker 8: tough places. They understand that this is a valuable and

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Speaker 8: important argument to win.

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Speaker 7: It's part of the arsenal issues.

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Speaker 8: But they also understand that they have to keep demonstrating

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Speaker 8: that they're the ones who deliver. So Katie Hobbs has

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Speaker 8: delivered quite a bit in Arizona, so it's going to

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Speaker 8: be her opening argument, it's going to be her closing argument,

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Speaker 8: and she's going to have a Republican on the ticket

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Speaker 8: with her who also supports these issues. So I think

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Speaker 8: it's you're going to see this issue more and more

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Speaker 8: in the fall. But again, what worries me, Molly, what

945
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Speaker 8: keeps me up at night is are Democrats credentialing themselves

946
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Speaker 8: enough and are we going to be investing enough resources

947
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Speaker 8: to communicate.

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Speaker 6: On this Minnie, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 6: thank you. No no moment, Jesse.

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Speaker 4: Kat Molly jump fast. So I'm going to shock you

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Speaker 4: with this. It seems Trump's Justice Department has been weaponized.

952
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Speaker 4: There's two different headlines just in the New York Times

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Speaker 4: today about them doing all sorts of absolute fuckery and

954
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Speaker 4: going after political enemies as well as looking the other

955
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Speaker 4: way on corporations and going after smaller businesses.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Trump said he was going to help small businesses.

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Speaker 2: What he meant was no. Here's the thing about this

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Speaker 2: and JD.

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Speaker 1: Van said it in speech in April, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's worth just looking at No fraud is small enough

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Speaker 1: or big enough to look away from accept the stuff

962
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Speaker 1: done by this administration. And look, Donald Trump has, you know,

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Speaker 1: between the no bid contracts and the.

964
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Speaker 2: You know, cronyism, the you.

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Speaker 1: Know, self dealing, the businesses for the kids, the money

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Speaker 1: he's making every which way. The whole point here is

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Speaker 1: to find someone who is committing fraud, who is.

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Speaker 2: You know, of an ethnic minority, you know.

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Speaker 1: Use them for for the midterms, use them to increase,

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Speaker 1: you know, to make them an example.

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Speaker 2: And I think we're going to see that for sure, Remember, we're.

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Speaker 1: Coming up on a mid Republican midterm convention that will

973
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Speaker 1: likely feature a lot of video of people saying things.

974
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Speaker 1: They've already said that it's going to have video of

975
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Speaker 1: like pundon saying things. And I think there's a very

976
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Speaker 1: likely scenario where like Republicans Republicans Trump more specifically, is

977
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: trying to find scapegoats.

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Speaker 2: He's trying to.

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Speaker 1: Find someone in order to make the case that you

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Speaker 1: have to vote for his people, right because he's not

981
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: on the ballot, but his people in order to save

982
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 1: America or whatever that means. And that's why they got

983
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: this Somali fraud from Minnesota thing, which again was prosecuted

984
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: under Biden. And that's where we get, you know. So

985
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: my guess is that they'll be a lot of stuff

986
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: like that coming down the pipe. Remember the caravan this administration.

987
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: Republicans in the Maga era tend to only have one

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00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: attact and its fear, so expect more of that. Again,

989
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: it's not about fraud. This is about finding people to

990
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: blame for the problems of MAGA.

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Speaker 6: That's it for.

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