1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Caf I Am six forty. You're listening to the John 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: and Ken Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app. Ken 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: is off today. We're on the radio from Monday until 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: four after four o'clock. Go to the iHeart app for 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: the John and Ken on demand podcast and it's the 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: same show. You could pick up on everything you missed. Boy, 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: this came flying out of nowhere. You'd have to be 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: probably about sixty years old. We're a little older to 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: have a conscious memory as a young child of the 10 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: Charles Manson murders. Charles Manson was a cult leader in California, 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: and he had a number of men and women follow him, 12 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: follow his orders, and eventually, over a period of three 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: days between August eighth and August tenth, nineteen sixty nine, 14 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles, they went on a murder spree. 15 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: They killed five people on the night of August eighth 16 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: and ninth, including the pregnant famous actress Sharon Tate she 17 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: was eight and a half months pregnant, along with the 18 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: four others. And then the following evening, the Vanson family 19 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 1: killed the supermarket executive Leno LaBianca and his wife, Rosemary 20 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: Leslie Van Houghton was involved in the Lobbyanca killings, and 21 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: she stabbed Rosemary Lobianca sixteen times with a knife. Some 22 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: of those stab wounds came after she was already dead. 23 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: She actually severed Rosemary's spine with one of the stabbed 24 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: stabbing motions. It's just a dreadful, horror, horrific dark one 25 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: of the darkest chapters in LA history. And everybody was 26 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: freaked out, especially wealthy celebrities and rich people, because it 27 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: seemed like whoever was doing these killings was going after 28 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: people who are well known or well off. Everybody there's 29 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: I mean, they've written many many books on all this, 30 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: so I'm not going to go through all the details. 31 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: But Van Houghton's role was in the Rosemary LaBianca Lena 32 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: Loabianca killing. She eventually got life imprisoned. She is seventy 33 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: three now. She's been up for parole five times since 34 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, recommended for parole, but all have been denied, 35 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: either by Jerry Brown or Gavin Newsom because the governor 36 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: could squash a parole recommendation. However, a governor's decision can 37 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: be appealed to the courts, and the second District Court 38 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: of Appeal has overruled Newsom's parole rejection Van Houghton. So 39 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: the parole board said yes, Newsom said no, and this 40 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: Court of Appeal says yes. All that's left is the 41 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. If Newsom goes that route. Let's get on 42 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: debortate of actress Sharon Tate. Although Van Hatton was not 43 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: involved in Sharon Tates killing, but it was it was 44 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: all the same family. 45 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: Hey, welcome, Deborah. It's been a few years. How are 46 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: you doing. 47 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 3: I'm doing fine. How are you? 48 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: I'm doing all right. It's gotta be awfully. 49 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: Oh, always always, because whenever one of these parole situations 50 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: came up, you you always came on and and and 51 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: helped create public resistance to keep these people in jail, 52 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: these monsters in jail. What what what was your what 53 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: was your feeling when you heard that the Court of 54 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: Appeal had over ridden Newsom's parole rejection. 55 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: This has been her third or fourth time in front 56 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 3: of the Second Court of Appeals, So basically you could 57 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: say that previously this same court has denied her, I believe, 58 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: three times, and it was a two to one decision 59 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 3: this time with a judge Rothschild being the descending vote. 60 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 3: She insisted that the governor does have cause and foundation 61 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 3: for rejecting Leslie's recommended parole release, and basically that is 62 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 3: the premise that would allow the governor to appeal should 63 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: he and he alone deem that that would be the 64 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: right thing to do. Now, I have to add that 65 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: Leslie was involved in the planning and what of share 66 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 3: the previous night in Sharon and my other friends, the 67 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: actually five others, No, it wasn't Stephen, if you include 68 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 3: Sharon's unborn child, five others. Yeah, she was very up 69 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 3: set that she wasn't chosen to go that night, and 70 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 3: even knowing how bad the carnage was, she was puffing 71 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: at the mouth, so to speak, to go the next night. 72 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: It was not determined. It's been established in parole hearings 73 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 3: that nobody can say that Leslie's knife blows were not 74 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 3: the death blows. That has been reviewed and determined and 75 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 3: spoken into records in some of the parole hearings. She 76 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: has had a sixteen year relationship that I believe ended 77 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 3: about eleven years ago with another inmate that was in 78 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 3: prison for committing murders of women. He had two pending cases, 79 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 3: one in Illinois, one in Texas, and in other words, 80 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 3: it was romantic in nature. She admitted it in a 81 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 3: parol word hearing and then tried to deny that she 82 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 3: said that and said it was a professional relationship. This 83 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 3: and this alone. While this, combined with other factors, show 84 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 3: that she is not she has she it supports the 85 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 3: governor's decision. According to Judge Rothenschild, there are factors in 86 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,799 Speaker 3: the record that show that she is not yet suitable 87 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 3: for pool. 88 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 2: I cannot. I cannot. Yeah. 89 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: When I was refreshing my memory and reading the details 90 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: of these mass murderers, it was so incredibly vicious and 91 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: crazed and maniacal. I there's no part of me that 92 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:55,119 Speaker 1: cares about any of her experience in therapy or rehabilitation. 93 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: I just have zero sympathy. I'm only shut down on 94 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: this idea. I mean, this crowd should have been executed, 95 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: and if they can't be executed, all they should be 96 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: should They should die in jail. 97 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: There's nothing redeeming about this group and anything. 98 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 3: They need to have them in jail. They cannot or 99 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: should not be released into a free society. Technically it's 100 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: not their problem, but they do influence a wild and 101 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 3: reckless crew of young people. We have had other murders 102 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 3: in the state of California that it's done in vicious 103 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 3: styles in the name of Charles Manson, basically people promoting 104 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 3: the race war. So this sets a horrible precedent. It 105 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 3: affects immediately Gary Henman his family because Bobby Booselet and 106 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 3: Bruce Davis both have appeals pending in this same court. 107 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 3: I have had phone calls from thousands of other victims 108 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 3: and emails and texts saying Deborah, please, please, is there 109 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 3: anything we can do to help turn this bus around? 110 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 3: Because this will be affecting our care case in the 111 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 3: very near future. And it's true, as a conscious society 112 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 3: we need to be aware. And because of what the 113 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: law stays, they are eligible for paroles. But the question 114 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 3: is should they be parolled and what long term effect 115 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 3: would they have in a free society and how negatively 116 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 3: they could impact society in any way, shape or form, 117 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 3: whether it be personally or through the influence of others. 118 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: What does it say about us as a society when 119 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 3: you are released and you are a predatory killer that 120 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 3: is recognized as a domestic. 121 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: Terrorist, that all that is extremely well said, and. 122 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 3: I wish all the viewers would start writing the governor 123 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 3: letters and letting him know, whether you're from this state 124 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 3: or not, how we feel, if you feel. I don't 125 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 3: like to put words in other people's mouths, but if 126 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: you feel like writing, please feel free to write or 127 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 3: email the Governor's office. 128 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: And if you're going to do that, do it immediately 129 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: because he has a ten day window which begins in 130 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: thirty days, in which he can ask his Attorney general 131 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: to petition the California Supreme Court to reverse this decision. 132 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 3: So I have been told that he's pondering it as 133 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 3: we speak. 134 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: Better, all right, thank you for coming on again with us, Deborah, Thank. 135 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 3: You very much for having me, and the best to 136 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 3: you as well. 137 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, same here, Debritate, sister of Sharon Tate. We'll talk 138 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: more about this case and about Leslie Van Houghton's role. 139 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, if you feel so motivated, you should just 140 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: go to the California Governor's website and send emails to 141 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: Newsome and just from the sheer volume, maybe it'll have 142 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: an impact on him and he'll at least file the 143 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: appeal with the California Supreme Court. I mean, we'll go 144 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: through some of the case because memories fade, and as 145 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: I said, you know, there's an entire couple of generations 146 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: that weren't even around when this happened. 147 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 148 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 4: Am six forty. 149 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: Were on the radio from one until four, and after 150 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: four o'clock you listen to the iHeart app for the 151 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: John and Ken on demand podcast and you could catch 152 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: up on everything you missed if you're just joining us. 153 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: One thing you did miss and should listen to later 154 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: on is we had Deborah Tate on. Deborah is the 155 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: sister of Sharon Tate, who was the famous actress back 156 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty nine, one of many who were murdered 157 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: by Charles Manson's family in that murder spree in August 158 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: of sixty nine here in Los Angeles, and Sharon Tate 159 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: was eight and a half months pregnant. This horrific family 160 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: is back in the news because one of Manson's followers, 161 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: Leslie Van Hutton at Van Houghton, who's now seventy three 162 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: years old, not only is up for parole but maybe 163 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: walking in a matter of days. 164 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: Because even though newsome well. 165 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: First of all, there's this idiotic parole board, and it 166 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: seems every month we got a story of some horrible 167 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: monster who's murdered somebody and in some heinous, disgusting way 168 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: getting released. And there's always a whole bunch of excuses. Right, 169 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: Their excuses don't even matter. Their whole deal now is 170 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: we're emptying out the jails. We want zero prisoners, and 171 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: then we're going to close all the jails. That's really 172 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: what their game is, So their stupid excuses don't matter. 173 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: In this case, you've got a woman part of the 174 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: most vicious murder spree that certainly LA has ever seen. 175 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: And she went up before the panel. The panel said, yes, 176 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: you can be paroled. Governor Newsom said no, you can't. 177 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: That's the fifth time that either Newsom or Jerry Brown 178 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: has denied a parole. I mean, this panel is hell 179 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: bent on letting her go. I'd say it's stunning, but 180 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: nothing stuns me anymore. 181 00:12:59,080 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: Anyway. 182 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: Now, the twist here is, for the first time a 183 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: California appeals court agreed with the panel and said yeah, 184 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: she can go. So now Newsom has to appeal to 185 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. And as Debor Tate, said, please, if 186 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: you would contact Newsom and tell him that he should 187 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: appeal it before the California Supreme Court. 188 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 2: Here's a quick rundown. You know you could. 189 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's been many many miniseries done on this story, 190 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: and I've read a number of books, but the quickie 191 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: bio on Leslie Van Houghton is that she was the 192 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: youngest Manson follower. She was a homecoming queen from a 193 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: middle class family, but said she was traumatized by her parents' 194 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: divorce when she was fourteen. And I'm reading this and 195 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: these ridiculous excuses that these psychotic killers give. I just 196 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: looked up just for the hell of it. You know 197 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: how many divorces there and since the year two thousand, 198 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: over eight million, over eight million, and virtually none of 199 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: those people joined a cult family that would go on 200 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: vicious murder SPREEZ. 201 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 2: My parents got divorced when I was twelve. I'm good, 202 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: so far, so far. 203 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: You haven't not yet? 204 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: You haven't? Are you sure about that? 205 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: Are you sitting out a warning? No, it was just 206 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: a hint. No, Well, she took it a little harder. 207 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: Then she got pregnant at seventeen and had to have 208 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: an abortion. Of course, we know there have been millions 209 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: of abortions, so all this is supposed to justify her 210 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: mental state. 211 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 2: Her actual role. 212 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: Well, you know you've probably seen this Manson family, right, 213 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: They actually got together and eventually we're on a ranch 214 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: in Chatsworth. You know, one recent move that gave a 215 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: good idea what the Manson family was about was that 216 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: Quentin Tarantino movie Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, because 217 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: the Manson family had a prominent role in that story, 218 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: and he got an idea of how they lived together 219 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: and it was just a sex and drugs cult and 220 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: turned into this vicious violence. Anyway, Van Houghton was not 221 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: a part of although she was part of the planning 222 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: of the Sharon Tate murders and five people died there, 223 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: she was really involved physically in killing Rosemary LaBianca and 224 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: Lena LaBianca. Lena LaBianca was the husband. He was a 225 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: supermarket executive. Rosemary was his wife. And what Van Houghton 226 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: and another woman did was hold down Rosemary while Charles 227 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: Tex Watson stabbed Lena LaBianca. Watson then stabs the wife, 228 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: Rosemary and hands Van Houghton a knife. She then stabbed 229 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: Rosemary LaBianca fourteen more times, and Van Houghton admitted this, 230 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: testified to this way back in nineteen seventy one. And 231 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: here she refers to the other woman, Patricia Cranwinkle, and said, 232 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: and I took one of the knives, and Patricia had 233 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: had one knife, and we started stabbing and cutting up 234 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: the lady. She said, she got into a fight with Lobyanca, 235 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: so Creanwinkle collected knives and other utensils from the kitchen. 236 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: She said. 237 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: LaBianca kept promising not to call the police, but mentioning 238 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: the word police repeatedly made Van Houghton crazy. It seemed 239 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: like the more she said police, the more panicked I got. 240 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: And she stebbed Rosemary Lobianca fourteen times. And as Debora 241 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: Tape pointed out, her stab wounds were the ones that 242 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: actually killed Rosemary, and one of them severed Rosemary Lobianca's spine. 243 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: It was a frenzy. It was a vicious, crazed, maniacal frenzy. 244 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: And whatever was inside Leslie Van Houghton's brain when she 245 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: did this at the age of nineteen is still in 246 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: her brain. It's the same wiring. It is unforgivable viciousness. 247 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: These these LaBianca, This Lobianca couple was completely innocent, sitting 248 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: at home, not bothering anybody, when this maniacal crowd burst in. 249 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: I the idea that Leslie van Houghton deserves even a 250 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: minute of freedom. It's so disgusting and astonishing. And again, 251 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: the parole Board ought to be chased out of the state. 252 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: I don't know why the California public puts up with 253 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: all of this. This is so my stomach is physically 254 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: ill just thinking about He's just reading about these articles 255 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: as I was doing today before the show. It's like, 256 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: it does feel like you're going insane after a while. 257 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 1: It's like, why Leslie van Houghton. She should have been brutally. 258 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 2: Executed decades ago. 259 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: And instead we've got a court and a parole board 260 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: and a governor and everybody's debating whether to let her out. 261 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 2: It's just astonishing. 262 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: So Wright Newsome, so at least he takes this case 263 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: to the California Supreme Court. 264 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 2: More coming up, Johnny Kind. 265 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 266 00:18:59,000 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 4: A M six. 267 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: Boarding Ken is a Way Today. We're on the radio 268 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: from one until four after four o'clock. The iHeart app 269 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: has the John and Cannon Demand podcast, so you can 270 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: listen to everything that you missed. All right, brace yourself. 271 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: There's another atrocity coming to Los Angeles. Their name for 272 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: it is congestion pricing. Do you know what this is? 273 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: This is tolls for not just freeways in and around 274 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, but the canyon roads and some of the 275 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: main arteries in Los Angeles. You're going to be charged 276 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: money every time you drive. And there are three articles 277 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: three articles this week in the El Segundo communist prov 278 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: the Times. It's amazing how the El Segundo Times coordinates 279 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: itself for any kind of oppressive Soviet style government plan. 280 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: And they, you know, they have the news piece, they 281 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: have the analysis piece, then they have the editorial. 282 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 2: And here's. 283 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: Here's what they're gonna be doing with congestion pricing. They 284 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: want to start with a pilot program. They want the 285 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: ten freeway between downtown and Santa Monica at sixteen miles, 286 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: then the arteries and freeways around downtown, and then the 287 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: freeways in the canyon streets that connect the San Fernando 288 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: Valley to the La Basin, which means the four H 289 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: five going north and south, the one on one going 290 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: north and south, and then the canyon roads. I assume 291 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: Coldwater Canyon, Laurel Canyon. I don't know how many others. 292 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: And the Metro is putting this together. The people who've 293 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: brought you the bus and train system where bus drivers 294 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: are violently assaulted every other day, where passengers are. 295 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: Shot, stabbed, set on fire and murdered and raped. This 296 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: is the same organization. 297 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: And do you know what they're telling us to do 298 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: if we don't want to pay the tolls for congestion 299 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: pricing is to take public transit. We're all the shootings 300 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: and stabbings and rapings and arson is going on, not 301 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: to mention the homeless people and the needles and the 302 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: fees and the urine. That's what they want us to do, 303 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: is to start taking those buses and trains. 304 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 2: It's like like they. 305 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: Have this elaborate, complicated, expensive plan to kill us. This 306 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: is rolling along here. There's some nut named Mike excuse me, 307 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: Mark Vallianatos. He is overseeing the feasibility study at Metro 308 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: and they're going to make its findings public in the 309 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: coming months. And then the board's gonna vote early next year. 310 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: You know who's on the board. A lot of them 311 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: are La City council people and La County supervisors, the 312 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: same lunatics who bring you the buses and the trains 313 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: and all the crime and the homelessness. 314 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 2: Now, because you're you feel safe in your. 315 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: Car at least your doors are locked, your windows are 316 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:10,239 Speaker 1: rolled up. They want to penalize you for this and 317 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: charge you money. And if you don't like it, well, 318 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: go get set on fire and a train, Go get 319 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: raped on a bus. 320 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 2: That's their attitude. 321 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: Listen to the propaganda from this writer, Rachel Rachel YOURANNGA 322 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: years in the works, years in the works. The plan 323 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: promises cleaner air, smoother rides, and more funding to the 324 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: agency's coffers. 325 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 2: Yes, do you know how much money they're going to 326 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 2: make off of this untold? 327 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: Millions and millions and millions of dollars is going to 328 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: go to the Metro agency, the ones who don't want 329 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: to spend any money on police to keep you from 330 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: get raped, shot and stabbed and set on fire. No, 331 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 1: they'll hire more ambassadors for that and study show it could. Oh, 332 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: here comes the prayer service, Now here's the religious chance 333 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: study show it could reduce harmful air pollution and greenhouse 334 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: gas emissions forever and ever. Amen, all these La Times stories. 335 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: Eventually it seems like they add a prayer at the 336 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: end to pray for cleaner air, to pray for cooler climate, 337 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: and everything that the government does, he also Times approves 338 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: of because it's going to lead to cleaner air and 339 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: a cooler climate, and so you should just pay the 340 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: money or take the training. 341 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: Get stabbed. 342 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: So parts of well say angelists are basically going to 343 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: be cordoned off to people who can't afford to pay 344 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: the tolls or don't want to pay the tolls. And 345 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: they tell us that people spend an average of ninety 346 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:21,959 Speaker 1: five hours a year stuck in traffic, which actually is 347 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: not so bad compared to Chicago. I didn't know that 348 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: Chicago people spent one hundred and fifty five hours a year. 349 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: But how about this if traffic is are paid in 350 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 2: the ass. 351 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,239 Speaker 1: But after all these many decades, I guess people are 352 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: willing to put up with it because life inside your 353 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: car is a lot more present pleasant now we have 354 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: air conditioning, we have stereos. You can listen to the 355 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: John and Ken Show anytime you want, either live or 356 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: on a podcast. You can play music, you can eat 357 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: in your car. For some people it's the most pleasant 358 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: part of the day because they leave their miserable job 359 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: and they don't have to deal with the chaos at home. 360 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: So just because people are stuck in traffic doesn't mean 361 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: it's awful. Besides, it's done of your business. If I 362 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: don't want to sit in traffic, then I'll move. I'll 363 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: move closer to my job. I'll get a better job, 364 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: a different job, I'll go to another state. 365 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 2: That's up to me. 366 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: It's not up to the government to try to force me. 367 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: What to get stabbed on the train, and you take 368 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: the train long enough, you will get stabbed, There's no 369 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: question about it. And you will get peed on, and 370 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: some homeless guy I will probably take a dump on 371 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: your foot. The longer, the more days you take riding 372 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: the train, more likely it's going to happen. Got more 373 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: on this coming up? John and can show canfe. 374 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from kf 375 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 4: I am six forty. 376 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: Well, it looks like we're gonna have to uh, we 377 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: have another war. We have the metro board wanting to 378 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: start congestion pricing on many of the freeways around Los 379 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: Angeles H and also the congestion pricing for major arteries 380 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: and the canyon roads. Uh. You start with the four 381 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: oh five to one oh one and then the ten, 382 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: so they cover the major roads going north and south 383 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: and then east and west, the arteries around downtown, the 384 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: canyon roads coming out of the valley like Cold Water 385 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: and Laurel Canyon. Listen to this report from k CAW 386 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: News jasmine Ville on Channel nine. 387 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 2: The Traffic's awful. 388 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 5: No one can argue that traffic is awful, and LA 389 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 5: is famous for it. But Metro has a plan that 390 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 5: they've been working on for years to make it easier 391 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 5: to get around. 392 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: The only proven way to reduce traffic congestion is through 393 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: pricing roads. 394 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 5: Mark Velliinanto's with La Metro will present a study to 395 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 5: the Metro board this summer about charging people who drive 396 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 5: in some of LA's most congested areas, like the four 397 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 5: h five, the ten freeway, and around downtown LA. How 398 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 5: much people would pay is still unclear, but as you 399 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 5: can imagine, it's a tough sell. 400 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if you have a lot of 401 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 3: anchorage drivers. 402 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 5: Claudia Olivera, the president of the Downtown LA Chamber of Commerce, 403 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 5: says it would hurt business with less people choosing to 404 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 5: come into the city, and it would hurt the workforce. 405 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 6: A form of like not even pain to play, but 406 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 6: you have pain to work. 407 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 5: La County Supervisor Jennis Han says she's not a fan 408 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 5: of the idea because people already pay for the fast track, 409 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 5: toll roads and gas taxes. 410 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 6: I also think it's not the greatest strategy to try 411 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 6: to force people to ride our public transfer to system. 412 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 6: I think there's other ways to look at reducing congestion. 413 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 6: I'd like to see us go back to our pandemic 414 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 6: way of people working from home. 415 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,239 Speaker 5: Metro Board chair or a Nigerian, says he's keeping an 416 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 5: open mind as charging drivers has worked in other cities 417 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 5: like London and La is working on improving public transportation. 418 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: We hope that if we could remove ten to twenty 419 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: percent of the traffic from those roadways and freeways, that 420 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: those roads would become very much more passable. 421 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 5: Commuters like chase boards seem to be warming up to 422 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 5: the idea. 423 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 2: If it's done right, it's going. 424 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 6: To be painful, but it's going to be a long 425 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 6: term trade off, you know that will be worth it. 426 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 5: Eventually, the study does lay out a low income assistance program, 427 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 5: among other things. Now, the next step would be for 428 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 5: this study to be presented to the Metro Board in 429 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 5: the next few months, but any kind of pilot program 430 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 5: on these freeways would still be years away. 431 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: Oh my god, janis Han thinks we all should stay home, 432 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: like during the pandemic. 433 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 2: What did I tell you? 434 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: That was nirvana for all these control freak government officials. 435 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: They had control over us, and they could force us 436 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: to stay in our home. And now they missed the 437 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: goat all days when we stayed home and did what 438 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: they told us to do, when we listened and obeyed 439 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: our masters. The hell we should all stay home. How 440 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: about we have the freedom to go to work. 441 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 2: If we wish. 442 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: This is all about taking away people's freedoms, the freedom 443 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: to travel. We paid for the roads already. We pay 444 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: enormous taxes for the maintenance of the roads, and they 445 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: steal the money and they don't maintain the roads, and 446 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: the roads are in horrific shape. The crap we got 447 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: the some of the we got the worst roads in 448 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: the country. I've seen the state by state rankings. We're 449 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: at or near the bottom in most of the evaluations. 450 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: We have the highest taxes, the highest gas tax. So 451 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: let's review here. We paid a lot of money to. 452 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 2: Build the roads. They built the roads. 453 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: And now they want to charge us for the roads 454 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: after already charging us with all the gas taxes. They 455 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: stole the money and never fixed the roads. But we're 456 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: still still supposed to pay more. Or maybe we could 457 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: just stay home instead of saying, well, this is a 458 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: free country, and you pay enormous mountain taxes, you drive 459 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: to work if you want, you drive wherever you want. 460 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, you ought to drive whatever 461 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: car you'd like as well. And it's not their business. 462 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: You know, we have to have like a zero tolerance 463 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: instead of instead of all this accommodation, instead of now, 464 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: I guess you know, maybe in the long run it 465 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: might be painful for ours. 466 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: Who's that guy? 467 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: Send him to Russia, in fact, force him to enlist 468 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: in the Russian army, get him out. I think in 469 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: the long run it would be good. Hey, you know what, 470 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: you don't like the traffic, then you can move. Maybe 471 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,719 Speaker 1: ten percent of the state ought to move out and 472 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: that'll relieve. 473 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,479 Speaker 2: The roads out. 474 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: Yes, hit the road and get out of here. Don't 475 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: tell me I have to pay at the moment. I 476 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: want to stay here and I'll endure with the traffic, 477 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: but I'm not paying any more money on top of 478 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: all the taxes that I already paid. Get out of 479 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: here out. Well, you know, maybe it's good in the 480 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: long run. And janis Han the emptiest head in government. Ay, yeah, yeah, 481 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: makes me. She makes newsome look like Einstein. Honestly, maybe 482 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: you should just stay home. Maybe you should stay home. 483 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: I mean the other just the other day, she was 484 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: saying how horrible it is about all the people getting 485 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: assaulted killed on the trains and buses. Yeah, I'm gonna 486 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: use public transit. Sure, I didn't even get to this 487 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: Sale Times editorial. Well, I'll save that for another time. 488 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: Deborah Mark coming up next live with News in the 489 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: twenty four hour Cafe news Room. 490 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: Hey, you've been listening to The John and Ken Show. 491 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: You can always hear us live on CAFI AM six 492 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday, 493 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.