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Speaker 2: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. I just want to go into

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four with someone that's not easy to defend.

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Speaker 3: You're looking at a Frankenstein offensive line right now, Frankenstein,

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Speaker 3: you're taking together there?

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Speaker 2: It should be really.

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Speaker 3: Frokenstein. Sorry.

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Speaker 4: I have like an old school digital big surprise, an

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Speaker 4: old school digital clock.

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Speaker 5: It's like, can you do anything? Do you slide it?

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Speaker 5: How do you set the alarm?

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Speaker 2: And gets up when the cock crows?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 5: Better than my algorithm?

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Speaker 7: On Facebook?

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Speaker 2: I don't want to open that.

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Speaker 4: You got a little porns Facebook.

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Speaker 2: It's not only fans, it's all guys from the Jersey

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Speaker 2: named Mike.

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Speaker 3: How you going was?

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Speaker 5: It's it's mostly comparable.

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Speaker 4: But at the time less today he didn't get nineteen

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Speaker 4: million like when you did.

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Speaker 5: But it's inflation.

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Speaker 2: James Sanders.

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Speaker 4: How come he's the only one allowed to talk over everybody?

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Speaker 8: There we go, Okay, there's lots of weird going on

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Speaker 8: when you guys are dealing with the phone.

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Speaker 2: That's that's Paul backing up his taste.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 2: at j Let's Stadium. And what what, Deuce? I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say something.

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Speaker 3: I was just pointing to the sky when you say

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Speaker 3: what day it is, I don't know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Okay, Tuesday, all right, thanks to Lord. And uh,

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Speaker 2: we're in the midst of free agency. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you call it a frenzy for the Patriots, but

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Speaker 2: they're still making some moves. It's Deuce, it's tomorrow, Evan,

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Speaker 2: it's Paul, myself, Matt and Jewels are in the booth.

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Speaker 2: And why don't you run down the latest moves.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's well, it's just one. It's just kJ kJ Osborne.

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Speaker 2: Who's in the building today.

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Speaker 3: He is one year, four million. Yeah, pretty good move.

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Speaker 3: I mean I think we were we were talking on

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Speaker 3: the Draft show before this, and just feels a little redundant.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think he's a player. He can play

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Speaker 3: in the NFL, and I mean.

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Speaker 5: He can play in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Now he and the US some big touchdowns. You know,

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Speaker 3: he's had some uh some some clutch moments. I think, uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, he's he's a productive guy. But you know

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Speaker 3: it's I still kind of see him as you know,

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Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne, that kind.

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Speaker 2: Of players still need a number one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you still just you know, don't have an outside

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Speaker 3: you know, for I mean, as much as DeVante Parker

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Speaker 3: they're still searching for that guy. And and that's what

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Speaker 3: we're talking about on Draft Countdown, which will be out tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Just how do you find that guy? And can you

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean or trade yep. You know, you know

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Speaker 2: I saw somebody everybody who was saying t Higgins you

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Speaker 2: I would be fine with that. You have to pay him,

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Speaker 9: and I do believe that they probably put all their

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Speaker 9: or their backup plan was the draft. But I do

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I you know, everyone's saying, now, oh, you know,

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Speaker 4: That was according to Justina Anderson.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why that from the Patriots. I don't

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, I feel like there should have been

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Speaker 9: Know, or I would have tried to go get Jonah

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Speaker 9: And I feel like the Patriots fans, it looked like

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Speaker 5: I think it came to like I was one of

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Speaker 5: that's what they're doing. I actually I see what they're

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Speaker 5: It's not splashy. It's not the fireworks and all that

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Speaker 4: And that's why I have no problems if they have

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Speaker 4: was exactly what Evan said in terms of, you know,

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Speaker 4: just wish there was something to sort of tie it

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Speaker 2: Right well, you're kind of hoping that you had among

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Speaker 4: They have three major needs heading into the draft. They

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Speaker 2: Right So like even if like let's just say you

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Speaker 4: In the fourth you absolutely can, you know you absolutely can,

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Speaker 4: now like. I liked that signing. That was my favorite

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Speaker 4: But either way, to Evan's point, they still need a

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Speaker 3: I'm with you, Paul on not really loving that report.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we talked about it last show. But I thought,

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Speaker 3: I mean, Evan, I'll let you say we were talking

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Speaker 3: but on when you. You don't want you to spit it out.

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Speaker 5: I don't. I'm not sure what's the exact point you're

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Speaker 3: So many Well, well just I mean, I'll I mean,

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Speaker 3: we just talk a lot about I think we can.

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Speaker 3: I'll admit, he's a pretty solid right tackle and it's

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Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, yeah, I mean, there's no doubt that he

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Speaker 5: brings more value to the team at tackle. It's a

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Speaker 5: more valuable position. But the problem that I see with

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Speaker 5: athleticism to get out to you know, pass sets and

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Speaker 5: like that. Now, maybe an off season of tackle sets

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Speaker 5: and then maybe he drops ten to fifteen pounds, ten pounds,

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Speaker 4: Get a little bit thinner, at a little bit he's more. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: because I don't think he really wanted to do it

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Speaker 4: It's more pressure on that group of young guys. Now,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they definitely shook it up. I wonder if McKay

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Speaker 5: I thought it was Simpson, but I didn't want to be.

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Speaker 4: Right, So yeah, I couldn't thank Shepherd Simpson something Sampson,

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Speaker 4: That's the big ift, especially with Smith. I saw, you know,

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Speaker 4: Risk it's a legitimate there's an injury risk, yeah, no question. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but what do you think you can signed a one

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Speaker 3: Well, it's I mean when you I mean go through

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Speaker 2: We'll see.

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Speaker 2: So losing out on Calvin will Ridley. Looking at what

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Speaker 3: I just think there's an I think there's an argument

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Speaker 2: And nothing changes. If they like one of those yeah,

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Speaker 4: Well, in terms of things that have changed. In our

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Speaker 4: I don't think that changes really much for the Patriots.

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Speaker 5: Or four with Arizona. Yeah, one of those two teams.

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Speaker 5: Like it just seems like an overreaction.

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Speaker 2: And then there's just this other raer report, which I

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Speaker 2: No at that time with that team, they might have

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you can't based off of one team out of

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Speaker 2: Two at the combine, Yeah, like you know last month.

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Speaker 3: I think the thing too, though, is with Minnesota, which

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Speaker 4: Let's let don't forget you're gonna add Justin Jefferson and let's.

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Speaker 2: Put our Kevin Costner hat on. Is there any strategy

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean Arizona did that last year, and

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Speaker 4: It was a Philly with Miami. Well, I forget the whole.

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Speaker 5: Before the they didn't made it. They made a trade

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Speaker 4: And then they but they traded down and then they

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Speaker 5: That I don't know, the one I remember is Areas.

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Speaker 4: That's what you were thinking, Like you think that Kevin

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Arizona last year traded out of three

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Speaker 5: I can't remember, like seven or something like that. So

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Speaker 4: You still get the number one overall pick in the drafts.

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Speaker 2: Correct, But I'm just trying to work this out. So

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Speaker 2: let's just say that their intelligence tells them that Minnesota

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Speaker 2: So okay, if you're going to use our pick to

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Speaker 5: So basically you're trying to pull Jason Tatum, that's what

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like down and get the guy you wanted the

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Speaker 9: Wait, but what if they only want JJ, because that's

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what you have to be sure of, you know, like, actually,

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Speaker 5: But the only way I see you doing that is

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Speaker 9: I couldn't trust them.

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Speaker 3: I just want the Drake. That's what I want.

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Speaker 9: The Drake.

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Speaker 2: So you're into May, just yeah, it's got to be May.

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Speaker 3: It's got to be May.

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Speaker 5: I say it right.

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Speaker 3: I know nothing against Daniels. He's just he's a little

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Speaker 3: I'm not knocking him to say, I don't want him.

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Speaker 3: I'm just that's why my preference goes a little bit

441
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Speaker 3: towards Drake May.

442
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Speaker 9: What I will say with Jane Daniels, I love how

443
00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,960
Speaker 9: this time last year no one would have guessed that

444
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,840
Speaker 9: Jane Daniels would have been a top three pick, right,

445
00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,560
Speaker 9: and seeing how much he was able to grow in

446
00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,639
Speaker 9: one year at LSU, that makes me excited about the

447
00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,080
Speaker 9: potential for him to keep.

448
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Speaker 3: But it scares me because she's twenty four. He's like

449
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,359
Speaker 3: the PG at prep school who's just older than everybody

450
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,440
Speaker 3: and he's more experienced, and you know, it's just mean.

451
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Speaker 5: There's a lot of it around it.

452
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,639
Speaker 4: Like I see both sides of that. I see the

453
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Speaker 4: excitement from tomorrow and I see the trepidation. I mean,

454
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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow did it and we're wonderful maker, you know,

455
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 4: you know, guys just sort of come out of nowhere.

456
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,720
Speaker 4: They have a great year, and then you know other guys,

457
00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 4: you know, you look back.

458
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Speaker 5: And you're like, we probably shouldn't have fallen for that.

459
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Speaker 4: You know, the other two guys were you know, two

460
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Speaker 4: years ago, everybody thought that Williams and May were best

461
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:01,439
Speaker 4: two quarterbacks in the class.

462
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Speaker 5: I think that that's a really good question for somebody

463
00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 5: like Elliot Wolf is, like, how much do you put

464
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Speaker 5: into the twenty twenty two tape for Drake May? Because

465
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Speaker 5: in twenty two he has Josh Downs, he has a

466
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 5: little bit better offensive line, and he there was no

467
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Speaker 5: question coming out of that season that he was the

468
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Speaker 5: second best quarterback in this class. This year, he loses

469
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Speaker 5: some of those guys, their UNC offense, has a new

470
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 5: offensive coordinator, there's a lot going on around him that

471
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,119
Speaker 5: isn't as good, and he wasn't as good it was

472
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Speaker 5: consistent this past season, whereas Jayden Daniels had the ascension.

473
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Speaker 5: So if you flip those two seasons talent, right, if

474
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Speaker 5: you flip those two seasons, then how to you know,

475
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Speaker 5: how do people feel about these two guys? And if

476
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Speaker 5: you put Jaden Daniels at UNC and you put Drake

477
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 5: May at LSU and Drake May is throwing them Elak

478
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,479
Speaker 5: neighbors and Brian Thomas Junior, are we even having this

479
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 5: conversation that they're this close together? So I think that

480
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,199
Speaker 5: those are the types of things that you have to

481
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Speaker 5: ask yourself with those two guys in particular, is how

482
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Speaker 5: much of Jaden Daniels's breakout had to do with the

483
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Speaker 5: fact that he's throwing to two first round picks at

484
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 5: wide receiver versus Drake May's best receiver is probably going

485
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Speaker 5: to be like a third or fourth round pick.

486
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Speaker 4: And again, same thing with Burrow, Like Borrow, was that

487
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 4: l s U that year that you know, record setting year.

488
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Speaker 5: Probably the best offensive stacked across the board?

489
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Speaker 4: You could you could certainly say, well, was it justin

490
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 4: Jefferson James or is it Joe Burrow? Turns out it

491
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 4: was all.

492
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Speaker 5: Of them except Terris Marshall. He's actually bad.

493
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Speaker 2: Sticking with quarterbacks. I think the Steelers made an interesting

494
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Speaker 2: move in bringing in Fields and now and with Russell Wilson.

495
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's a perfect situation. You play

496
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Speaker 2: Wilson this year, Fields gets another year to just sit

497
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Speaker 2: kind of decompress and and and watch, and then next

498
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Speaker 2: year you get rid of Wilson and you and you

499
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Speaker 2: play Fields.

500
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Speaker 4: So you have to sign you're going to pick the fifty.

501
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Speaker 2: Is that right?

502
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's he's the same as Max, So it's you know,

503
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Speaker 3: it's well, I.

504
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Speaker 2: Don't know, maybe in practice they'll be able to make

505
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Speaker 2: that evaluation if he's worth.

506
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Speaker 5: It to.

507
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Speaker 4: Do that before then.

508
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Speaker 9: Obviously I'm extremely biased, but that was a steal for

509
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 9: Pittsburgh to be able to get Justin Fields for a

510
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 9: six round pick next year. Like if you look at

511
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 9: their like people were laughing at their quarterback room from

512
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 9: last season and to see how they completely flipped it

513
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Speaker 9: to those two guys this year.

514
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Speaker 4: Just to be clear, if he plays, it's a fourth

515
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 4: round pick. Oh wow, he plays half the If he

516
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 4: plays half the snaps.

517
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's still pretty good.

518
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 4: Otherwise, if he doesn't play, then you traded the sixth

519
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 4: round pick for a backup quarterback.

520
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Speaker 5: Which is yeah, that's normal.

521
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 4: I never said, but if he plays, it's going to

522
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Speaker 4: be a higher pick.

523
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Speaker 3: I never really sense the unrest with Kenny Pickett, though,

524
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Speaker 3: Is that something I just like, I didn't realize that

525
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 3: he was.

526
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Speaker 5: That Jonesy situation there the gloves.

527
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 4: I think he got a little bit bent out of

528
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Speaker 4: shape late last season when he got hurt, and that's

529
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Speaker 4: why Mason Rudolph started playing. And then when he was.

530
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Speaker 5: Healthy, they're like, yeah, you know, we're doing alright with

531
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Speaker 5: Mason Rudolph.

532
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Speaker 4: Why don't you sit over there? And I think he

533
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 4: was like, Okay.

534
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Speaker 5: He got of he got a rod deal, you know,

535
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 5: bit bad coordinator, not a ton of talent around him

536
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 5: in certain spots, like they had good receivers always in Pittsburgh,

537
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 5: but offensive line issues. But you know, Matt Canada should

538
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 5: not have been an NFL offensive coordinator and he was

539
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 5: there for two years, so that was tough. But I

540
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 5: love it for the Steelers. I'm not losing any sleep

541
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 5: over the fact that the Patriots didn't trade for Justin Fields.

542
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 5: The Steelers are not in a position to draft one

543
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 5: of the quarterbacks this year, so they are taking their

544
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 5: upside swing on Justin Fields versus the Patriots have the

545
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 5: third overall pick. I'd much rather take Drake may or

546
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels than put my eggs in the Justin Field's basket.

547
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree. I like it a lot for

548
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 4: the Steelers. I think they're also too, you know, sort

549
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 4: of similarly mobile athletic kind of quarterbacks, although Wilson doesn't

550
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 4: move anywhere near as much and as well as he

551
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 4: used to, so I think there's some replication there if

552
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 4: you need your backup quarterback. But Tomaraw tell Uncle Mike

553
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 4: that I think it's a mistake. Some of the reports

554
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 4: have come out that Pittsburgh is out of me, and

555
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's true with Pittsburgh Post Gazette

556
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 4: supposedly from inside the organization, it is absolutely not a competition, right,

557
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 4: It's Russell Wilson's job. I think that's a big time mistake,

558
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 4: and I just hope that they're trying to.

559
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 5: Appease a guy who, by all accounts needs to be

560
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 5: appeased at all times, and Wilson.

561
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Speaker 9: I did think it was interesting that the report came

562
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Speaker 9: out that as soon as they made the trade that

563
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 9: Uncle Mike texted him allegedly and said, hey, you're going

564
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 9: to be the starter. I think that was interesting. I

565
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 9: couldn't tell if it was because can he Pickett when

566
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 9: he found out that Russell was coming in that he

567
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 9: was like, Okay, I want to leave. I don't know

568
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 9: if it was to stop any turmoil that was going

569
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Speaker 9: to be in that locker room and just wanted to

570
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 9: make it clear communication.

571
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Speaker 4: I just hope that if they go through the off

572
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 4: season program and they get into OTAs in mini camp

573
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 4: and it's clear that Justin Fields is better than Russell Wilson,

574
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Speaker 4: I would hope that they say yeah, I know what

575
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 4: we said, this guy's been better than you. He's going

576
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Speaker 4: to play.

577
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Speaker 3: I think there's some psychology going on there too, though,

578
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 3: with Fields of you're the backup now and what he got, so,

579
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 3: I mean, sure he's clearly aware of where he's at

580
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 3: in terms of potentially hitting free agency next year or

581
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 3: you know, does he want and wasn't he from Fields

582
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 3: around there? I think because he have like family, isn't

583
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 3: I think?

584
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,479
Speaker 2: I know, I know he pulled a ZAPPI he started

585
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: posting some workout videos. Justin Fields is soious.

586
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 5: I just feel like Justin Fields has we were all

587
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,959
Speaker 5: wrong about Justin Fields in the draft. I had him

588
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 5: as QB two. Most people had him as QB two.

589
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 5: He's not good. We were all wrong. It wasn't QB

590
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 5: too though, right, it doesn't mean he wasn't QB two,

591
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 5: But like we all just got to let go of

592
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 5: the dream of Justin Fields.

593
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:39,959
Speaker 2: Little bit.

594
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 5: But that's but that's what so many people in the

595
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 5: media are being stubborn on it, Like everybody is still

596
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 5: believing in Justin Fields and his film is just not good,

597
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 5: Like it's just.

598
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 9: How much of that though was also bad coaching as well?

599
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 9: Because in the same situation as Kenny Pickett. He had

600
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 9: horrible coaching in Chicago as well. And before they got

601
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 9: DJ or how many weapons did he really have?

602
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 5: Okay, but last year they had DJ Moore, Darnell Moody

603
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 5: and Cole Comet. Those are three legitimate NFL weapons. But

604
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 5: before that he had Yeah, But like he had it,

605
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 5: he had it all together last year like last year

606
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 5: should have been.

607
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,719
Speaker 4: But I thought he was decent last year, you know,

608
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 4: down the stretch was the way they finished the season.

609
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 4: I thought there was some promise there.

610
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Speaker 5: It's all That's why I'm kind of holding out home.

611
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 5: His his issues are all similar to Jayden Daniels' issues

612
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 5: as a passer, and it's just timing, progression, speed, decision,

613
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 5: making it the pocket and that that it's at the

614
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 5: end of the day that that's that's quarterbacking. As much

615
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 5: as we make it all this all these you know,

616
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 5: crazy throws and you know backfoot shots and things like that,

617
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, you have to be

618
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 5: able to do that.

619
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Speaker 2: He's got to be a.

620
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Speaker 3: Great He's got the traits that Mac doesn't have, you know,

621
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Speaker 3: And that's why I think the people still, you know,

622
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 3: believe in him. I mean, we saw it first hand

623
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Speaker 3: out here what he can do.

624
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Speaker 2: All right, should we turn it to the listeners unless

625
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 2: you have anything else you want to put on the table.

626
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Speaker 3: I was just going to say one thing. I saw

627
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Speaker 3: that somebody did a little study, which I always like,

628
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Speaker 3: you know, just what percentage of quarterbacks strapped did a

629
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 3: certain portions of the first round, and you know how

630
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: many of them reached the playoffs? And I think it

631
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 3: was fifty eight percent. Top five quarterbacks fifty eight percent

632
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: go on to make a playoff game. So it seems

633
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 3: like a lot it does. It's just but you know,

634
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 3: tell me, Mill, it's still even in the top five.

635
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 3: It's it's a little bit of a you know, a

636
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 3: little bit of a coin flip with these guys.

637
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 5: And I think those are pretty good odds.

638
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, from when you hear that they're all busts and

639
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 4: then you find out that it's almost sixty percent of

640
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 4: those guys at least make the playoffs. You know, I

641
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 4: think a lot of people, as an example, would count

642
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield as a bust. Yeah, well he took two

643
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 4: different teams to the playoffs.

644
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 5: Well, I certainly hear a lot about Trevor Lawrence being

645
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,239
Speaker 5: a bust. Like absolutely. I tweeted the other day that

646
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 5: it thumbs up on Trevor Lawrence and people are like,

647
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 5: why are we giving It's like because he's an NFL quarterback,

648
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 5: Like he's a starting quarterback in the league.

649
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 2: Whether I still take it, but I know he's going.

650
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 4: To say he's had a modicum of success. He finished

651
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 4: the opposite of justin Fields. He finished last year really slow,

652
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 4: but it was clear that that ankle injury that he

653
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 4: suffered and run a night game impacted the rest of

654
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Speaker 4: his season.

655
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just there's a conversation now to sort of

656
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 5: what Deuce was saying about quarterback evaluations in the league.

657
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 5: Saw Bucky Brooks tweeting about it. I think maybe Daniel

658
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 5: Jeremiah started it of just like why is it so

659
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 5: difficult to evaluate that position and why is it so

660
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 5: difficult to develop that position in the league? And it's

661
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 5: an interesting chicken or the egg. Is it that these

662
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 5: guys aren't very talented or is it that, you know,

663
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 5: the coaching and the infrastructure and the personnel department and

664
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 5: these teams all fail them. And I think a lot

665
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 5: of people feel like the NFL has a development problem

666
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 5: at the quarterback position, because all these guys are good

667
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 5: in college, and they're good in high school and then

668
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 5: they get to the NFL and they can't play. And

669
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 5: so at some point you have to stop blaming the

670
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 5: players and start thinking about what are the teams doing

671
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 5: wrong to develop these guys.

672
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, especially like when you look at that whole list

673
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 9: of the twenty twenty one quarterbacks and you're like, how

674
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 9: did all of them but Trevor Lawrence fail? Like it's

675
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 9: just it's just weird when you look at the whole

676
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 9: list and it's like, how did that happen to me?

677
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: That's that's my thing is like I think our bar

678
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: for evaluating these quarterbacks, you know, is determined by the crop,

679
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: and I think like we think every year there has

680
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: to be good quarterbacks coming out of the draft, and

681
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: that doesn't have to be the case. You know.

682
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 4: Well, and it's probably not a coincidence that the year

683
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 4: after that, which was a really really bad first round, right,

684
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 4: you just go one for five. The year after that,

685
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 4: there's only one guy chosen in the first round. So

686
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 4: I think the teams probably did a better job of

687
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 4: saying I'm not going to force the pick I'm not

688
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 4: going to make Kenny pick at a top five pick

689
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 4: just because he's the best quarterback in the class. But

690
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 4: it also probably is just kind of, you know, circumstantial.

691
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 4: It comes a year after five different teams took it.

692
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 4: No one's going to pull the plug on a rookie

693
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 4: immediately unless it's like JaMarcus Russell bad, you know, or

694
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 4: Ryan Leaf bad.

695
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 7: You know.

696
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 4: There's not too many guys that fail that badly right

697
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 4: away that you're like, already look in the next year

698
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 4: for another quarterback. I was kind of well subdue.

699
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 3: Where I was going with it. It's just teams that

700
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: we need a quarterback. We're picking in the late first round,

701
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: and we don't really believe in Michael Pennox. But Michael

702
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: Pennix is there, right, And it's that like to have

703
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: the the you know, the courage to say we don't

704
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: really believe in him, even though that we need a

705
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 3: quarterback and there's really no one else after him. It's great,

706
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 3: so to speak, like why how do you get to

707
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: that point?

708
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 4: And somehow teams, I think, talk themselves into well, it's

709
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 4: twenty eight, Yeah, who cares, Like, well, I do you know,

710
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 4: you can get a really good player at twenty eight,

711
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 4: especially if a lot of quarterbacks are taken, because that

712
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 4: means all the rest of the positions haven't been picked

713
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 4: at as much as they probably should have been.

714
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 2: It's the whole risk reward thing. You know, if he pops,

715
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: we got a bargain. If he doesn't, you know, yeah, or.

716
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 4: But I don't know why. It's not like if the

717
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 4: wide receiver we take a twenty eight pops, we have

718
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 4: a bargain.

719
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 9: That's what I was going to say. I was going

720
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,239
Speaker 9: to say, to get a good wide receiver at twenty eight,

721
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 9: I'd rather take that. Start building the pieces so that

722
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 9: one I have a quarterback that I'm sure about and

723
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 9: select that.

724
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 5: I just think it's easy for us to sit here

725
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 5: and be patient because.

726
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: Jobs are on the line.

727
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 5: Our jobs aren't on the line, and we're hopefully you

728
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 5: know we're talking about I get it, but I think

729
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 5: that you know, that's the big A big thing too.

730
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 5: I feel like is just you might only have a

731
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 5: couple of years to figure it out. If you're an

732
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 5: Elliott Wolf, right, Like, you're not going to get ten

733
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 5: years to just keep on kicking the can down the

734
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 5: road on the quarterback. So at some point you have

735
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 5: to take a swing. And I think a lot of

736
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 5: these teams just get into these positions where it's like,

737
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 5: all right, well we've you know, we've been doing this

738
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 5: for a couple of years. We're still don't have the quarterback.

739
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 5: We got to take the swing, you know, Nick, Cassio

740
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 5: and Houston picked the right guy. But that was your

741
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 5: three for him. If he doesn't pick c J. Stroud

742
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 5: or if ends up being a bust, does Nick have

743
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 5: a job right now?

744
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: Like?

745
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 5: Probably not, But that's like.

746
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: You know, it's just if you if the person making

747
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: the pick in their heart of hearts really doesn't love

748
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: the player, you know, and it's just you know, it's

749
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: that tipping point.

750
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 5: Of isn't that what happened here with Mac?

751
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 4: Probably?

752
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I don't mean, I don't think Bill was

753
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 5: in love with Mac Jones.

754
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 3: He's he's he's kind of like a great example of that.

755
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 4: I think he was with him.

756
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: But if you would think though that with his relationship

757
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: to sab And, he would have gotten solid scouting.

758
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 9: But what if you love the player but you don't

759
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 9: have the right developer? Yeah, so what if that was

760
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 9: the pick, but then you just didn't have the right, right.

761
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 5: I think that happens to like, you know, the first

762
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 5: year him.

763
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 4: But I think it has.

764
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: First year the quarterback does okay in the second year,

765
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: like his coordinator is a guy from the defense, Like, like,

766
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: you're not.

767
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: Allowed to do that, after the way you talked in

768
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 4: the last years, you're allowed to make those kind.

769
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 5: Of you thinks you're allowed to do.

770
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: There is that. I still think we should thank Matt Patricia.

771
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: He didn't lobby for the job. He was asked to do.

772
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 5: It, and you don't know that he might have lobbied for.

773
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: It no fault of his own. Let's see Matt Framihan's

774
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: fed up. Uh oh, Next person who tells me the

775
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: Patriots don't need to spend a lot this offseason because

776
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: they're gonna be bad. Shit, Ask the players and coaches

777
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: on the team what they think of that. The careers

778
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: of players and coaches are short in this league, especially

779
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: if you keep losing because the rest of the league

780
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: is watching. I'm disappointed in this free agency period, and

781
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: I believe this team is doing a lot of wishing,

782
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: especially with the third pick coming up in the draft,

783
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: so they're doing a lot of wishing.

784
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, this might be going down a rabbit hole. I

785
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: don't want to go down, but I think I saw

786
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: somebody kind of make the comparison. And I'm not trying

787
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 3: to make the saying that this team will go to

788
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 3: the super Bowl next year, but it does kind of

789
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: smell a little bit like the one Patriots free agency

790
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: class to me, of and certainly not even the external guys.

791
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: It was almost like they signed their own guys that

792
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: were kind of the infony. Jennings is not that he's

793
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 3: going to be Mike Frable, but he was kind of

794
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: like the third man, rotational linebacker that didn't get a

795
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 3: ton of playing time. I don't know, I just see

796
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 3: some parallels, and I think right now it's really a

797
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 3: hot button topic to talk about Bill Belichick and how

798
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: he would build the team, But I don't think that

799
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: he was necessarily wrong in two thousand and one to

800
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: approach it the way that he did, to remake that team,

801
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 3: to reestablish kind of a new cores and then go

802
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: into the draft and draft you know Richard Seymour who

803
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 3: was a future Hall of Famer, Matt Light who stepped

804
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 3: right at left tackle. But I think what stands out

805
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 3: to me is the Patriots They didn't think they were

806
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 3: there in O one. They were surprised that that team

807
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 3: got there. They knew that they had to completely change things.

808
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 3: That super Bowl was a surprise. I'm not trying to

809
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: sell the emailer that they're going to the super Bowl

810
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 3: this year, but I think that there is some element

811
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 3: to team building that they're taking from that two thousand

812
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 3: and one kind of philosophy.

813
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't completely disagree with you, but I think

814
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 4: that this is more about the retain that they wanted

815
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 4: no put. They wanted to get rid of as many

816
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 4: players as they like. They had a lot of older

817
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 4: guys that they didn't you know, Chris Slade, Ben Coates,

818
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 4: Bruce Armstrong over the two thousand and two thousand and

819
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 4: one seasons that I'm gonna use both. I'm just the

820
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 4: start of the Belichick So they weren't all in two

821
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 4: thousand and one, but they wanted to move past some

822
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 4: of those guys. They had an awful lot of talent

823
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 4: on that team coming back that people do not remember.

824
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 4: It was a waiver wire super Bowl title. But you

825
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 4: tell me where Ty law Teddy Bruski, Willie McGinnis, Lawyer Malloy,

826
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 4: Troy Brown, Ted Johnson. They didn't have those guys aren't

827
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 4: on this.

828
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 3: Roster, but that.

829
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 4: Was already here.

830
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: Like if I was gonna make the argument of not

831
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 3: to say Gonzalez is ty Law, but they certainly have

832
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: some talent on defense, and that offense wasn't good different games.

833
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 4: But like I worry a little bit about the defense

834
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 4: with Bill Belichick gone, to be honest.

835
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 2: With you, I do too.

836
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think they have the players that are

837
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 4: just gonna win matchups. I think they were putting really

838
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 4: good spots.

839
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: I agree.

840
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 4: Now if that wasn't Bill Belichick and it was more

841
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 4: Gerrod Mayo and DeMarcus Covington, great, I think the defense

842
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 4: would be solid, right, they might they might miss something more,

843
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 4: you know, because I don't think man for man, that

844
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 4: was a great defense.

845
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: No.

846
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: I think they, you know, like Bill Azo has done.

847
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 2: I think they game plan really well when at you know,

848
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 2: the opponent's offensive weaknesses really well matched up, you know,

849
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: figured out the matchups from play to play almost or

850
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 2: series the series anyway, And you gotta believe a lot

851
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 2: of that was Bill, you know, or and how much

852
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: of it was Steve you know, So you hope that

853
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: it carried on to DeMarcus and Girod But you don't

854
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 2: know this, there's no guarantees there.

855
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I am with Mike Doa. They're pretty talented on defense,

856
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 5: Like you look at at their not just their their starters,

857
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 5: but they're too deep. Is as deep as any team

858
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 5: in the league.

859
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 4: Like that, I mean, I guess we can disagree on that.

860
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not saying that their ty Law and

861
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 5: in Richard Seymour, but like in terms of comparing it

862
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 5: to the rest of the league, I mean, they're they

863
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 5: have They're pretty solid on defense in pretty much every area.

864
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 5: Like there's where's their week on defense? Maybe free safety,

865
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 5: Like I guess is if you don't really love those

866
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 5: safeties back there, I don't know.

867
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 4: Up front, they have Christian Barmore, like Diatrich Wise is

868
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 4: better than guys around the league, Jowant Bentley's better than

869
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 4: guys around the league. Of lying tovies better than guys

870
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 4: around the league. It's I'm not saying that.

871
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 5: I know, I'm not saying its Man Warner, but like

872
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 5: in terms of what they do in the system, within

873
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 5: the scheme that they're playing now that I.

874
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 4: Agree with they I'd be curious to see if that

875
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 4: system remains in place, That's what I'm concerned about.

876
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 5: That's fair.

877
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 4: I think they were. They were very well coached and

878
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 4: very well schooled. I don't think man for man. I

879
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 4: think Gonzales has a chance to be that. I think

880
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 4: he has a chance to be one of those guys

881
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 4: that any team would say, oh, I'd like Christian. I

882
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 4: think Barmore is one of those guys. I think he

883
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 4: is a guy that any team would say, well, I'll

884
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 4: take him as an intern.

885
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 5: And I still think, even though he's getting a little

886
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 5: bit older, I still think Judon is one.

887
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 7: Of those guys.

888
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 5: So if you're talking about you go into next year,

889
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 5: assuming Judon's here, and you have three guys that are

890
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 5: blue chip players on the defensive side of the ball, like,

891
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 5: that's not It's not bad. It's not bad at all.

892
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 5: I mean there's not. I just there are not a

893
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 5: lot of defenses around the league that have that.

894
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, I think one of the sneaky

895
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: good resignings they had I know you'll probably kill is

896
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: Anthony Jennings. I think I think he's gotten better. He's

897
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: he's been in an upwards trajectory. I think he can

898
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 2: play against the run. I think he's decent against their

899
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: you know, rushing as well. I think he's a pretty

900
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: versatile player and I'm glad they brought him back.

901
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 3: I've said that's abouts, you know, one of my for

902
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 3: better or words, that's one of my favorite signings. But

903
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 3: I you know, I think it is worth pointing out

904
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: though that that this team has really struggled to stop

905
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 3: Josh Allen on defense, that has really struggled to stop

906
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 3: to attack of Iloa. So, you know, I'm not I

907
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 3: think Paul is totally right. I think they have some

908
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: things on defense that they need to sort out. But

909
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 3: when we're talking about Bill and coming up with the

910
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: secret sauce to beat those teams, they haven't really been

911
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: able to find that secret sauce. Whether it's coaching, whether

912
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 3: it's players, so whatever it is, that's something.

913
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 5: Miami is, especially Buffalo, they've had, you know, they had

914
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 5: to win here last year, and I think a lot

915
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 5: of that stems from you don't have an offense that

916
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 5: can keep up with the Bills and at the end

917
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 5: of the day, he's going to score twenty four points.

918
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 5: So if they did do better, I thought in the

919
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 5: two games against Buffalo this patch Miami, they have no

920
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 5: chance against mine.

921
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 4: That might have been a buffalo thing because they weren't

922
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 4: quite as explosive this year as they have been.

923
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but they got nothing on Miami.

924
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 7: Don't.

925
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: Tyler in New York City says, I do not think

926
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 2: the Patriots will take a quarterback with the third overall

927
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: During the free agency this year, Mayo and Wolf were

928
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: clear that they wanted a big weapon in this offense,

929
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: and we're unable to get any. Two straight years. We

930
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: have lost a wide receiver bidding war to the Titans.

931
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: For whatever reason, New England, whether under Bill Belichick drawn

932
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: Mayo is unable to attract star power at that position.

933
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: But do you know where you can get guaranteed star

934
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 2: power at the wide receiver position With the number three

935
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: overall pick, you don't even have to compete with the Titans.

936
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: If Mayo and Wolf are leery about adding a corp

937
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 2: back to a roster that has so many holes, none

938
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: of which were plugged or addressed at all in free agency,

939
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: and have enough self awareness to know that they can't

940
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: attract star power at the moment, then they need to

941
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: draft some star power, whether it's MHGT MHJ at three

942
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: or someone else at six or eleven. I think the

943
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: Patriots are going to take the safe star power and

944
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: get the QB later.

945
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 4: It's not safe star power. There's no such thing like

946
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 4: he could be the best player in the draft. Orm

947
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 4: elite neighbors could be. As Daniel Jeremiah tweeted yesterday. So

948
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 4: what if he's the best receiver and you took Harrison.

949
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 4: Maybe he's great anyway, Maybe you got the two. You know,

950
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 4: maybe they turn out to be the two best players

951
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 4: in the draft and no one cares. It won't matter

952
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 4: if you don't have anybody to throw it to him though.

953
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 3: That's the bottom line for me. I've said it one

954
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 3: hundred times and I'll probably say it. These two guys

955
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 3: are worth missing on. Like if they draft Jadon Daniels

956
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: or Drake May, it doesn't work. They can't figure it

957
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: out for whatever reason. Okay, you know, but I think

958
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 3: they're both worst.

959
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you a line of thoughts.

960
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 4: Sorry, Yev. You know, just doing the mail bag this week,

961
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,479
Speaker 4: and there were a lot of questions this week. I mean,

962
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 4: obviously this draft, that's you know, you have the third

963
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 4: pick of the draft. But I was surprised. There's a

964
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 4: tenor among the questions that are sort of hopeful about

965
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 4: Jacoby Brissett that I just don't I just don't understand.

966
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 5: Oh, you should read my film review tomorrow.

967
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 4: I just, I really just don't understand how anybody could

968
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 4: have watched the last seven years of Jacoby Watch.

969
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 5: Him in Cleveland in twenty two with this coaching staff,

970
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 5: did I Yeah, yeah, I watched him against the Patriots,

971
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 5: one of the worst games I've seen. So that's one

972
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,959
Speaker 5: game he started eleven of them. That was his worst

973
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 5: game by far.

974
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I watched him underthrow about seventeen wide

975
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 4: open guys in that game, starting with like the second

976
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 4: play of the game.

977
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 5: He did not play well.

978
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: Now that's fair, and he.

979
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 5: Is below five hundred for seven years. He's never had

980
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 5: a winning season. He's not an odning team, not one.

981
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 5: Shaan Watson did so much better in twenty twenty two,

982
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 5: when for then Jacoby Ressett.

983
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 4: It's not about Deshaun Watson'm talking about Jacoby Brissett. When

984
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 4: he plays, he doesn't play well. Yeah, played to Shawn Watson. Okay, great, Okay,

985
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 4: keep going to Sean Watson's not on the team. I

986
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 4: Sehn Watson's in Cleveland. I'm talking about the Patriots quarterback.

987
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 4: There's a tenor that I that I felt, and maybe

988
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 4: Evan got them started based on this argument.

989
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 5: He's better than I think, he's better than you think.

990
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 5: That's all.

991
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 4: I think he's worse than people think. I think people

992
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 4: haven't watched him. I think I just think people haven't

993
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 4: watched him, and they just think that the Patriots took

994
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 4: him and he's got the magic sauce or I just

995
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 4: don't think he's a very good player. He's a He's

996
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 4: a stop gap who I would hope plays about five

997
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 4: or six games max, and then whoever we pick at

998
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 4: three gets plugged in.

999
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 5: You think that's my ideal.

1000
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 9: I have seen this, like random spark of hope from people,

1001
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 9: like I was a salon or something and someone's like,

1002
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 9: my husband said, the Patriots signed a quarterback, and I

1003
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 9: was confused by the enthusiasm, Like she was really excited.

1004
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 5: People don't see quarterback yeah.

1005
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 9: And I was like, I could see why you could

1006
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 9: be happy, like to have a competent guy back out there.

1007
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 5: But he's not the answer. No, it's just one. No

1008
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 5: one is saying he's the I don't think he's anymore.

1009
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 2: People are He's what.

1010
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 5: I'm trying to talk. We're talking themselves into it.

1011
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 2: On the field, he's nothing more than what Paul said,

1012
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: a stop gap. However, however, fault, did you hear what

1013
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: I just said?

1014
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, people think he's a stop gap.

1015
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 2: However, no, I think on the field he's nothing more

1016
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 2: than a stop gap. However, in the quarterback room, he

1017
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: elevates that room immediately in terms of quality. Like everybody

1018
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: who has worked with him says how amazing he is

1019
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: as a as a teammate and a person. And I think, again,

1020
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: I know this is not sexy to talk about, but

1021
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: Gerard has to worry about the locker room. That's part

1022
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: of his job. And you're bringing in a quality person

1023
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 2: who can be a stop gap into the quarterback room

1024
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: that was in hav It. It was not talking. It

1025
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: was a terrible room last year. So right there, he's

1026
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: upgraded at least the room if you bring in if

1027
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: the plan is to bring any young quarterback, that's a must.

1028
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: You need a veteran presence in there that's a quality person.

1029
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: And for that reason, I think it was a good signing.

1030
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think that He's more than just a

1031
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 5: clipboard holder. That's all. Like, I agree with you one

1032
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 5: hundred percent. And I made that point in the film

1033
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 5: review I'm publishing tomorrow about him, that yes, there's good

1034
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 5: habits that he had brings to the table, whether it's

1035
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 5: during the week even in game, like you see him

1036
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 5: blocking forty yards downfield on reverses and stuff like that. Now,

1037
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 5: I don't want, you know, the first, you know, the

1038
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 5: third overall pick to necessarily do that, but it's the

1039
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 5: effort thing, right that he puts out there every single day.

1040
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 5: I think that Jacoby Presset's better than Paul does. That's it.

1041
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 5: You know. You look at twenty twenty two in this

1042
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 5: offense with Alex van Pelt with the Browns, he was

1043
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 5: eighth in QBR. He's basically a top fifteen to sixteen

1044
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 5: quarterback in the league. During his starts with the Cleveland Browns. Statistically,

1045
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 5: he's eighth in QBR, he's twelfth in PFF grade, he

1046
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 5: was tenth in EPA per dropback. Like, all the numbers

1047
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 5: are right there telling you that this guy was playing

1048
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 5: well for the Browns. And now is he the answer?

1049
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 5: Is he a long term solution at the position? Of

1050
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 5: course not. But the point is is that he's a

1051
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 5: very capable player in the role that they're going to

1052
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 5: ask him to play.

1053
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: Do you think that those numbers can be kind of

1054
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: just managed by being conservative.

1055
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 5: No, because he threw a lot of big time throws

1056
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 5: down the field too.

1057
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: I mean, like it, just what about game winning drives?

1058
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 5: That was his one achilles, his one achilles. He had

1059
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 5: two games, one against the Jets, one against the Dolphins, ironically,

1060
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 5: where he threw picks on game winning drive attempts. One

1061
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 5: of them the Jets one was like thirteen seconds left

1062
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 5: and they were twenty yards out of field goal range

1063
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 5: and he tried to fit one into, you know, a

1064
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 5: tight window and he got intercepted the Dolphins almost bad.

1065
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 5: He threw a pick in the end zone that was

1066
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 5: pretty bad. But you look at his numbers, you look

1067
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 5: at some of the film that he's able to put out.

1068
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 5: Is he the long term answer? No, of course not.

1069
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 5: But is he a very capable stop gap quarterback for

1070
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 5: next year? I think the biggest thing to me is

1071
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 5: you don't need to rush the number three overall pick

1072
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 5: onto the field.

1073
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: You think he's better than mac jonesy, I agree with you.

1074
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: Think he's better than Mac Jones could be some day.

1075
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 5: I think that Jacobe presseaid in twenty twenty two was

1076
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 5: better quarterback play than what they got out of the

1077
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 5: last two years from MC and Bailey's app.

1078
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 4: See what you said about the locker room makes this

1079
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 4: a proper move, right, But I don't think he's any

1080
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 4: better than Mac Jones. I don't know.

1081
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 5: It's just you don't want to rush the third overall

1082
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 5: pick on the field, and I don't think they're gonna

1083
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 5: feel like they have to totally because Jacoby Pressett's terrible

1084
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 5: to get.

1085
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: Him off the field.

1086
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 5: I'm totally with that.

1087
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 4: Like, this is a professional backup who will hold the

1088
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 4: spot until you want You don't have to until you

1089
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 4: want to, and there's probably not a ton of pressure to,

1090
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 4: you know, try to win fourteen games. Like I think

1091
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Speaker 2: What's up, Christian?

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Speaker 11: Hey, how you.

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00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:18,479
Speaker 12: Guys doing today? Great great discussion. I'm started by saying

1114
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 12: I am absolutely sick and beside myself with different themes already,

1115
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 12: it seems like they overvalue dugger and miss on the

1116
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 12: free safety.

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00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 13: It seems like they are doing the same stupid thing

1118
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 13: by trying to plug people into positions that they don't

1119
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 13: really play on, will you, because they want to get

1120
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Speaker 13: a value or something like this, the guy cold strange

1121
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 13: who is absolutely not qualified to be a starting guard.

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00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 13: And then we do the same thing at receiver that

1123
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 13: we've always done. We don't really push the envelope to

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00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 13: spend the big money, but we get a guy who's almost.

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Speaker 10: Good enough to be good.

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Speaker 13: And now we're in position at number three to take

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00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 13: a quarterback who's almost good enough to be great or elite,

1128
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Speaker 13: but he's really not right. And so now we're going

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00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 13: to just go another year or two waiting and hoping

1130
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 13: for these guys to turn into what we should have

1131
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,479
Speaker 13: just actually went out and got. I think the most

1132
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 13: intangible thing, and I'll rafle Abyss is every two Bowl winning,

1133
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 13: playoff winning quarterback, the guys that get really up there

1134
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 13: have one in tangible you can say, this guy's unusually this,

1135
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 13: you know, like Josh Allen unusually strong, Patrick Mahomes unusually dexterous,

1136
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 13: Lamar Jackson unusually athletic, even back to Joe Montana and

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00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 13: all those guys. When you look at Drake May and

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00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 13: Jaden Daniel or our print to possible choices? What are

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00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 13: they unusually good at?

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00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 4: And I would say Daniels does too. I agree with Fred.

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00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: No, I think I think they they each have traits

1142
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: that are putting them in the first round. Yeah, there's

1143
00:49:59,600 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 2: no doubt.

1144
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 4: And I would disagree that that that Drake May.

1145
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: What I've watched their teeth.

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00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 13: I haven't seen a NFL I've seen them throw the

1147
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 13: open gun.

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00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 4: I say, great, okay, I've seen I've seen a lot

1149
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 4: of NFL thing about Lamar Jackson.

1150
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: You just mentioned Lamar Jackson. You mentioned his dexterity or

1151
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 2: whatever athleticism, so he.

1152
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 4: What you hear? Said Joe Montanna the same thing.

1153
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 5: What was his what was his extraordinary thing?

1154
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: Coolness? U?

1155
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 5: But really so that was something you identified.

1156
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: I'm joking, but I think with Lamar Jackson he didn't

1157
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: have NFL throws on his tape, so the only I

1158
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: would just just right, So does Jayden Daniels.

1159
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 4: And Drake May.

1160
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1161
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like these guys are really good athletes.

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00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 13: Great.

1163
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 4: I'm not telling you believe or not believe. I'm just

1164
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 4: telling you this NFL talent for both of them, Like

1165
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 4: just saying that they're they're not quite good enough to

1166
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 4: be good. Well, Drake May might miss Drake No, you

1167
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 4: said no, you said good, they're not quite good enough

1168
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 4: to be good. That's what you said. And Drake May

1169
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 4: is more than talented enough to be an excellent player,

1170
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 4: whether he is or not is going to rely on

1171
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 4: all the other things that that we have no way

1172
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 4: of knowing. Does he have an aptitude for the position.

1173
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 4: Does he have the ability to to put bad plays

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00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 4: behind him immediately?

1175
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 5: Is he clutch?

1176
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 4: Is he understanding and adapting to the when teams make

1177
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 4: adjustments to him? And he's got the the anterest that

1178
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 4: there's a lot of things that go into being good.

1179
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 4: Talent will not be the reason why Drake May fails.

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00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 2: And even if it's like if you you know, and

1181
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 2: thanks for the call, Christian, you know.

1182
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 4: Like Drake May is one of the more talented guys

1183
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 4: that you'll see. His upside is through the room. But

1184
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 4: doesn't mean he's going to be great.

1185
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 2: If you look at, you know, the thesis that he's presenting.

1186
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: You know, anybody who's going to be great has that

1187
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: thing early on that you can point to that's you know,

1188
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 2: his secret. Sauce Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow in his last

1189
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 2: year started winning and producing. But was there any one

1190
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: thing that Joe Burrow did that was like elite? No,

1191
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: he just did it all pretty good, you know.

1192
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 4: And then I mean, I think he did but yeah,

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00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 4: that's me. But there was questions for him about all

1194
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 4: the stuff we talked about.

1195
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: His difference that we found out once he got here

1196
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 2: was up here.

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Speaker 5: It's upstairs skills, so ridiculous. Yeah, I think that that's

1198
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 5: when I mentioned that all this conversation about why these

1199
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Speaker 5: quarterbacks fail is making the rounds today. I think I

1200
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 5: feel like it's all the things that Paul was kind

1201
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 5: of getting at, which is, we don't know about their

1202
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 5: competitive toughness, We don't know about their work ethic, we

1203
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 5: don't know about, you know, how they're wired. Like we

1204
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 5: can watch them on film, we can watch the highlights

1205
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 5: and we can say, oh, this guy can do this,

1206
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 5: this guy can do that. But what makes all of

1207
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 5: these guys truly great that are great is this like

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00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 5: maniacal competitiveness.

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Speaker 4: Let me let me just just use this one thing

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00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 4: as an example. No right or wrong answers here, But

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Speaker 4: would you say how would you say Lamar Jackson and

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00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 4: Kyler Murray compare like physically, athletically pretty comparable. Yes, athletically,

1213
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 4: why do you why do you think Lamar Jackson is

1214
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 4: so much better than Kyler?

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00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 5: He's six inches taller.

1216
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 4: No, I also that's that's a reason.

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00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: That's one.

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00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 5: That's that's a reason. But I'm not going to say

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00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 5: it's the only one.

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00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: But I also think he was on a better team that.

1221
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to say it's built around stuff that

1222
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 4: Evan just talked about with work ethic and.

1223
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 5: Is writing his contract. He can't play videos, his.

1224
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 4: Willingness to learn and watch film and study and be

1225
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 4: prepared and do all the stuff that it takes to

1226
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 4: be a great quarterback. And I don't know that based

1227
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 4: on reports, I don't know, Kyler Murray might be unfair.

1228
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 4: I'm going off reports that may or not be accurate,

1229
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 4: but that's not his reputation. I think athletically, I think

1230
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 4: Christian would have said athletically, that's the one thing that

1231
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 4: makes him athletic. I mean, this is a guy who

1232
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 4: was going to be a number one draft pick in

1233
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 4: baseball too. This guy's athleticism is through the roof. But

1234
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 4: yet he's not as good as Lamar Jackson. Why is that.

1235
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 3: He's not as pretty to watch Ronni either.

1236
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 4: I mean, by the way, Arizona two years ago, three

1237
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 4: years ago had as good a team as anybody in football,

1238
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 4: you know, talent wise. They were at the top of

1239
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 4: the league with like one loss, right there was like

1240
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 4: one loss. They were as talented as anybody. So it's

1241
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 4: not like he didn't go to Cleveland and was never

1242
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 4: heard fro him. Again, it wasn't just about that. There's

1243
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 4: a there's a drive that Tom Brady has that other

1244
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 4: people don't. It's not just like having that elite ability.

1245
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 3: But I think Mac is an interesting one too, because

1246
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 3: I feel like he was one of those guys that

1247
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 3: has a lot of drive but doesn't have a lot

1248
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 3: of talent. And that was kind of the question going

1249
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 3: into this year was can you work hard enough to

1250
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 3: elevate yourself? And I mean I just I mean, he's

1251
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 3: a special case and all that, but but I I.

1252
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 5: I definitely get this position.

1253
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 2: I don't think at this position you can do it

1254
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: on just you know, heart want to. You know, it's

1255
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 2: not a.

1256
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 9: Want to have like mental toughness too, So I think

1257
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 9: like there's another asset to it in terms of like

1258
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 9: you can be a hard worker, you can have the talent,

1259
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 9: but if you're not mentally tough, you're not going to

1260
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 9: survive in this league.

1261
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: And processing speed, like how do you how do you

1262
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 2: replicate that in a tryout? You can't. Until there's a

1263
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 2: fear of getting killed, you can't replicate.

1264
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 4: And Drake May may not have any of those talents.

1265
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 4: And I count them as talents, not just in tangible I.

1266
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 5: Think a lot of the you know, to the caller,

1267
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 5: what's Lamar jack you know, or what's Jaden Daniel's superpower?

1268
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 5: His athleticism? You said that for Lamar Jackson, it's Jaden

1269
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 5: Daniel is one of the best runners in college football

1270
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 5: since Lamar Jackson.

1271
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Speaker 7: I agree.

1272
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 5: You know, Drake May, what's his superpower is his arm

1273
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 5: talent and his like his sheer size. Yeah, I mean

1274
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 5: the guy, the guy has an absolute howitzer, Like he

1275
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 5: can throw it off his back foot, he can throw

1276
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 5: it eighty yards in the air like there. It's that

1277
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 5: that's what he's got going for him is pure pure gas,

1278
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 5: pure arm talent, and that that's you can't teach that.

1279
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 5: You know, It's got something that he's physically, he's the prototype.

1280
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 5: He's Josh Allen, He's Justin Herbert. He's six foot four,

1281
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 5: he's two hundred and twenty five pounds, and he's got

1282
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 5: a huge arm, Like he's the prototype.

1283
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 4: Like some of these guys, I think, you you get

1284
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 4: talked into and they they do lack some physical abilities,

1285
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 4: you know, And you know, maybe Bryce Young is one

1286
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 4: of these guys that is just flat out not big

1287
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 4: enough to play at the NFL level without the ability

1288
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 4: to move around and run, and they probably at his

1289
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 4: size don't want him doing that a lot. Right, So

1290
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 4: there might be some physical but most of these guys

1291
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 4: are off the charts in terms of physical ability, but

1292
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 4: some of them don't hit.

1293
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 5: Why I think, like Mac, I, this draft class probably

1294
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 5: not want it's because we're back into this whole thing unfortunately.

1295
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 5: Like with Mac, I think the one thing that I

1296
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 5: did learn is to to douce his point that that's

1297
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 5: not enough, Like you have to have a baseline foundation

1298
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 5: of physical skills in this level. You can't just be

1299
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 5: Matt coming out was the worker. He was the processor,

1300
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 5: he was the decision maker. He was the guy you

1301
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 5: know that he's going to play, you know, chess at

1302
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage and do all all. That's all

1303
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,720
Speaker 5: well and good, but this isn't you're You're not sitting

1304
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Speaker 5: with a Madden controller like actually I go out there and.

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Speaker 2: Actually that was Christian's point, But I think that by

1306
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Speaker 2: using Jaden Daniels in Drake May as examples was wrong.

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00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: They do have physical yeah ye, well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like so dexterity or something abnormal dexterity, No superpower,

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00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 4: superpower is abnormal dexterity. Do you ever see the angles

1310
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 4: that he's made, some of those? He always working, Blue,

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Speaker 4: He's always working.

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Speaker 5: I was going to say something really smart, and then

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Speaker 5: you just had to do that.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a break. Everybody's food is here

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Speaker 2: except Paul's. Uh so we'll come back after that.

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Speaker 15: As I think back over the past few seasons, I

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Speaker 15: wanted to thank my most trusted game day teammate, Toastitos.

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Speaker 15: As I recall the last minute grocery runs in late

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Speaker 15: night dishwashing, the salty defeats and spicy victories, I realize

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Speaker 15: it was all thanks to my teammate, Toastitos. It was

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Speaker 15: always you, Toastitos. Team up with Toastitos, the official chip

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Speaker 15: and Dip of the New England Patriots, and we are.

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Speaker 16: Back with another edition of the PQU Halftime Show. I'm

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00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 16: joined by Chris Casty. I can say, as always, man,

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00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 16: that's nice. Co host host, co host, co host. All right,

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00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 16: we start with some trivias. Always Chris, don't answer it.

1337
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 16: Although we came up with these together. It's before I

1338
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 16: answered send your answers to the web Radio Patriots dot

1339
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 16: Com to win probably something. Question one, what college did

1340
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 16: Richard Seymour go to? All right? Question two? Who won

1341
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 16: the nineteen ninety eight Rose Bowl? And question three what

1342
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 16: number jersey number did Rohan daveyware? A legend of the game?

1343
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 16: All right, Chris shaking his head. Chris doesn't even know

1344
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 16: who that is, all right. As we said last time,

1345
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 16: the new league year started a couple of days ago,

1346
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 16: and with that comes some rule change proposals, all right,

1347
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 16: And so every year these get submitted, and not every

1348
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 16: single one gets put in, Chris, and some of these,

1349
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 16: some of these have pretty some of these clubs have

1350
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 16: pretty good I and they vote on them. So, for example,

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01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 16: the Eagles put in request to permit a team to

1352
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 16: maintain possession of the ball after score by substituting one

1353
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,919
Speaker 16: offensive play fourth and twenty from the kicking team's twenty

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01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 16: yard line for an onside kick attempt. That's an example

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Speaker 16: of one. And Chris, this is done because the onside

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01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 16: kick has been ruined. It never hits anymore, honestly, like

1357
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 16: it's absurd, And so these teams need a way to

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01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 16: get the ball back. And so we're not gonna go

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01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 16: through all of the uh rules brought in, but we

1360
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 16: thought it'd be fun to maybe go over some rule

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01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 16: changes that we'd add to the league.

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Speaker 6: Well, you mentioned the on side kick one tis and

1363
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 6: I mean, yes, they don't hit, but at the same time,

1364
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 6: when they do, you like, oh.

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01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 2: That was sick.

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Speaker 16: Well, they used to Chris, don't if you remember in

1367
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 16: the twenty ten they used to hit all the time,

1368
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 16: all right, all right, like like it's it's now it's

1369
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 16: just like you're just you're, you're. It's like a lottery

1370
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Speaker 16: hit and it barely works. They didn't hit all the time,

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01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 16: they hit more than more than now.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 6: I think a big thing with the on side kick, though,

1374
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 6: is how creative teams try to be with it, Like

1375
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 6: they set up two people on both sides of the ball,

1376
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 6: like I'm gonna kick it to the left and I'll

1377
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 6: kick it with my back heel. Now it doesn't go

1378
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 6: ten yards. Now, everybody's scrambling to try to get the ball,

1379
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 6: try to wafer it to go ten yards, and if

1380
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 6: it does, the other.

1381
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 16: Team just diving up. Anyway, they change it because of

1382
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 16: player safety. And I hate to be the old man,

1383
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 16: like I know I've turned it into one, but like,

1384
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 16: listen that at some point it's a contact sport and

1385
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 16: just bring back the old ones kick. But that's not

1386
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 16: gonna happen. So these teams need to find out a

1387
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 16: way to get the ball back. And it's just kind

1388
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 16: of crazy though, because if you have a player like

1389
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 16: Mahomes like the fourth and twenty. He gets third and

1390
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 16: twenties all the time, so it's it could be electric,

1391
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 16: but I don't know.

1392
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 7: It's harder than you think, though.

1393
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 16: I feel like, oh, obviously, obviously, but teams will find

1394
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 16: a way to get done. But anyways, some rule, some

1395
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 16: rule changes I'd like to see, and so somebody, I think,

1396
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,439
Speaker 16: I forget what team was, they submitted that the play

1397
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 16: clock shows tenths of a second and or maybe it

1398
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 16: was just the overall scoreboard for the final two minutes

1399
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 16: and a half. I think that'd be electric. But to

1400
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 16: go off that, I think they need to incorporate a

1401
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 16: buzzer for the play clock because it's really just being

1402
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 16: the ref looking at the eyes. Think about how many

1403
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 16: times the play clock expires and the ref looks but

1404
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 16: the ball is already snapped. If there was a buzzer,

1405
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 16: I don't know it would I think a lot of

1406
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 16: things would change.

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01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 6: I agree with that. I think the buzzer is a

1408
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 6: good play there. I mean it makes a big difference

1409
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 6: in basketball, like being able to hear it and you know,

1410
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 6: hanging onto the ball for too long obviously get penalized

1411
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 6: and also looks way worse on you and hear that buzzer, You're.

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01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 16: Like, oh no, and hey, I'm be transparent to the past.

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01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 16: We've gotten lucky. I forget it was last year, maybe

1414
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 16: two years ago we had one where the play clock

1415
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 16: gets fired and it just snapped. So I and it

1416
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 16: just like, it's the rules, and now we're just having

1417
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 16: a ref where we already have ref situations. Yeah, give

1418
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 16: them some help to go off that too. We got

1419
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 16: to get rid of the chain gang. All right, it's

1420
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 16: I know it's a football staple, but it is twenty

1421
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 16: twenty four. Put some damn sensors in the ball. Where

1422
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 16: we're going with this visible yellow line. Chris, you really

1423
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 16: you really think your chain guys, and you don't want

1424
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 16: any backup because there are times you'll see it. Players

1425
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 16: will move the balls. You're having the sixty five year

1426
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 16: old man spot the ball with millions of dollars on

1427
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 16: the line because of all the gambling and stuff. And

1428
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 16: he's like, oh, I'm going to push back a little

1429
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 16: in it's game benches, I know, but it doesn't need

1430
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 16: to be. We can have like some sat and stone

1431
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 16: stuff here.

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01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 6: I mean, you know who does good job with that

1433
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 6: is tennis tennis doesn't really good. Yeah, with their VR

1434
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 6: and kind of immediately if there's a close play they

1435
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 6: go to it. They nope, that was out. All right,

1436
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 6: on to the next thing. But I think you don't

1437
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 6: want to change football too much, okay, And a big

1438
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 6: reason behind that is everybody that has grown up with

1439
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 6: it are so used to everything like change is good,

1440
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 6: Like there has been changes, like change is very good

1441
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 6: in a lot of senses. But there are a lot

1442
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 6: of ways, I should say. But I think changing the

1443
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 6: little intricate things like that a little bit different.

1444
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 16: You know, there was a time without instant like challenging

1445
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 16: to play, right, Yeah, if people like didn't like it

1446
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 16: at first, could you imagine not being able to challenge

1447
01:03:58,320 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 16: a play now, Chris, I think I.

1448
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 7: Have been alive for the entire the entire time to play,

1449
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 7: so I can't I can't look back on the old

1450
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 7: times like that. But I didn't. I don't know. I

1451
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 7: think I just think the change.

1452
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 6: Screw like makes like football get more like whoa, Like

1453
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 6: you're more engaged, not like alright, yeah, first.

1454
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 7: Down games over, you know what I mean? Something like that?

1455
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 7: All right, get down to the wire. I think the

1456
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 7: chain crew actually provides more of a you know, I.

1457
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 16: Think it's there, but I think you can enhance it.

1458
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 16: That's why I'm getting that. Any any other any other rules, Chris,

1459
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 16: any other things you want to add.

1460
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 6: I mean, if I if I were able to change

1461
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 6: one of the NFULL rules, I think I would try

1462
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 6: to add like a three or four point play.

1463
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 16: Big XFL guy here, Yeah, I mean, I'll it's football, right,

1464
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 16: you'll tune in XFL.

1465
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 6: But in the NFL, I think trying to add a

1466
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 6: three or four point play. I mean, this is probably

1467
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 6: a crazy take that people could rip me on. But

1468
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 6: set somebody up at the fifteen, you know, if they

1469
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 6: convert it three points, set them up at twenty five,

1470
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 6: convert it get four points. I think that's it. Like

1471
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 6: you like, level it at that, but I think that's difficult.

1472
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 6: I think it's engaging. I think fans are like, oh,

1473
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,919
Speaker 6: that was actually pretty interesting seeing what they just did there.

1474
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 6: You have to develop a whole their play style. Like

1475
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 6: I kind of feel this way for the on side

1476
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 6: kick idea, where it becomes now something you're practicing rather

1477
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 6: than just a kick ten yards, like a ball going

1478
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 6: ten yards on an onside kick, or you know, going

1479
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 6: for two from the two yard line.

1480
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 16: So, so here, are you pro kicker or anti kicker?

1481
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 16: I'm pro kicker, Okay, I think it takes a lot

1482
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 16: of talent to be a kid. Okay, all right, well

1483
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 16: I'm pro kicker too. I like, I don't like that

1484
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 16: they're being phased out.

1485
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 6: So I think you're you're a soccer guy. So I'm like,

1486
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 6: I guess I'm pro kicker because I support ut is there.

1487
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 6: So I mean, I think it's interesting. I think it's

1488
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 6: something to be considered. I think what the XFL does,

1489
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 6: it's a much different brand obviously yea now the UFL,

1490
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 6: but a much different style of football, and that's their

1491
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 6: whole point of their business. And the NFL has its

1492
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 6: own brand, so I you don't want that to become

1493
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 6: the UFL.

1494
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,439
Speaker 7: Yep, God, you can definitely grow.

1495
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 16: And so one more thing is that they need to

1496
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 16: sort out these overtime rules. I hated how they did

1497
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 16: the Super Bowl. I don't like it in the regular season.

1498
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 16: We just need one solid thing. That is a story

1499
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 16: for a different day, though, Chris, because I could go

1500
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 16: on about that for twenty minutes. Listen, all these teams

1501
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 16: put in rule changes. They don't always get overturned or approved.

1502
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 16: It says all proposals must be proved by seventy five

1503
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 16: percent of the owners to be adopted. So we'll see

1504
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 16: what happens. I don't think we did any this year,

1505
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 16: but you know that's probably because we have our own

1506
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 16: crap going on. We gotta gotta, we gotta build our

1507
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 16: team before we change the rules. All right, all right, guys,

1508
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 16: sed your trivia answers in the web radopatriots dot com. Chris,

1509
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 16: thanks for joining. As always, let's get back to the show.

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01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 16: When someone accidentally threw the school play costumes, Oh No,

1511
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 16: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery.

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01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 11: Everyone could folks on the perfect opening.

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Speaker 16: Night FedEx where now it's next for residential delivery.

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Speaker 4: Only and now great moments in.

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Speaker 2: History Burton Burton Island says, now I've heard it all,

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01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 2: Lady Gaga should get an Academy Award because Fred Kurst

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01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 2: didn't know it was Lady Gaga.

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Speaker 4: That was a good one.

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01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 5: When you put it like that, she was unrecognizable. Look

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01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 5: like her hair, so gif.

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Speaker 4: Pi oscar to the makeup artist, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Not really, she was immersed in the in the character.

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01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 2: I didn't realize it was fair.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's up, Philip Seymour Hoffman. He was a good

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01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 3: one where yeah he's the same guy, but it just

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01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 3: a roll brought something kind of different to it. That

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Speaker 3: just it never took me out of it.

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Speaker 4: But he was never oscar Worthy because I always knew

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01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 4: it was Phillips.

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Speaker 2: And I know we know.

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Speaker 3: I mean I was in the these rooms over here.

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01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 5: Just said made up made perfect sense.

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Speaker 2: With your experience on the stage, I would assume you would.

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01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 2: You would know what I'm talking about.

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01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 5: I do know what you're talking about. Did you recognize

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Speaker 5: de Niro?

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01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, because he looked he looked a little bit

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Speaker 2: different too. He's now.

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01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 4: But it's it was just the part, like you would,

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01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 4: I understand what your point.

1541
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 2: Is, Adam and the other one. You know, it's Adam Driver.

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Speaker 5: People can't see your Fred, what you're doing.

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01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 2: Prominent, but I get you.

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Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.

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Speaker 2: Easy to Drink, Easy to Enjoy, bud Light, the official

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Speaker 2: beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. That's it. That's

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Speaker 2: the tweet. That's the tweet. You're so young and hip, Fred,

1548
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Speaker 2: But more importantly, we're hopping toward Easter Sunday, and there's

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Speaker 2: no time like the present to get party ready with

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Speaker 2: Bob's Discount Furniture, the official furniture store of the New

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Speaker 2: England Patriots.

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Speaker 3: So, Paul, over your Easter traditions, you guys? So like

1557
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 3: the Easter Bunny come your house, you bring your toys,

1558
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 3: just candy, you know what was your your your household?

1559
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 4: Like I had an Easter basket like everybody else.

1560
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 2: Now the kids would go on the Easter egg hunt

1561
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 2: and the parents would bet on who's gonna find.

1562
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 4: More they Uh, it's always open season on Paul.

1563
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 3: We just definitely go to that mass though, what's that?

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01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 3: It's a long mass. They do like the whole thing,

1565
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 3: the whole like stations.

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01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 2: Did you ever have as a kid have to walk

1567
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 2: the station of the Cross?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 2: Probably yeah, probably at.

1570
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Speaker 3: The Rosary beads I was confirmed and everything I was.

1571
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Speaker 5: I don't have a lot of second time in my

1572
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 5: life not too long ago, and I felt dirty, like

1573
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Speaker 5: I'm really sorry.

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Speaker 2: Oh I think if I walked in, I'd be struck

1575
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Speaker 2: by lightning.

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Speaker 3: They've changed stuff though, Like you know, you get used

1577
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 3: to the Catholic masses. They're not They're not the same anymore.

1578
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 2: What Tomorrow? You're looking at me like side eye. You're

1579
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 2: giving me the side eye.

1580
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 5: So sorry, Jewish. I'm here as a guest. I'm not

1581
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 5: doing this on purpose.

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Speaker 2: We had some trivia at halftime. I know Paul likes

1583
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 2: it's my favorite time of the show. What College? This

1584
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 2: is so easy? What college did Richard Seymour go to?

1585
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:38,879
Speaker 4: How old myself?

1586
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 2: Georgia, Georgia Claire got it?

1587
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 5: Hey girl, someone had to say the right answer?

1588
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 3: Cleaning up on trivia? How many times had she won?

1589
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 5: Claire? I think we need to dcute her. I know,

1590
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 5: it's like the Tom Brady commercial with vincevon Now it's like,

1591
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 5: not you Tom.

1592
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 3: She's got like twenty five PU T shirts.

1593
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 2: Who won the Well? I don't think she received any.

1594
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 5: Of It's got them all?

1595
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 2: Who won the nineteen ninety eight Rose Bowl michieteam ninety eight.

1596
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 5: Michigan, Michigan is correct against Miami. Right, why do you

1597
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 5: know that because Tom Brady played in the game.

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Speaker 4: That has incorrect?

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01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 2: John and San Diego got it?

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Speaker 3: Is it ninety nine?

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01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 5: Tom Brady didn't play in the Rose Bowl?

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01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 7: He did?

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01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 5: Isn't that the Orange Bowl? Orange Bowl? Yeah? I knew

1604
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 5: it was one of the big bulls, big breakout.

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01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 2: Well, Michigan played.

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01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 4: In it, so it would have been Brian Greasy.

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Speaker 5: The year before, assuming that they're referencing the Orange Bowl

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01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 5: that Brady played in that was like his bib.

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Speaker 4: That would have been ninety nine, right, because that would

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Speaker 4: be the last Brady's last year.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 4: Well, could have been the ninety eight yeah, I think

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01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 4: ninety seven they won the national title, so it would

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Speaker 4: have been the ninety eight Rose Bowl. I think it's

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Speaker 4: Brian Greasy.

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Speaker 2: Finally, what number did Rohan Davy? Six? Six is correct?

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Speaker 4: And it was over here?

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01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 7: Right?

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01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:57,719
Speaker 4: It was always center.

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01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 5: I believed in Rohan Day, Jacoby Brother.

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Speaker 3: Michael Bishop.

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01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 4: That was another one.

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01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 3: People believe that.

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01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 15: Clar says she's only won twice and she's received both shirts.

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Speaker 2: I'm back, Claire, you say so, all right back here?

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01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 2: Eight five five past five hundred is the ace taken?

1627
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 2: Hout line. Let's get right back to the phones. Chris

1628
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:24,719
Speaker 2: and Connecticut has been holding on. What's up, Chris? Chris

1629
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 2: been holding on too long?

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Speaker 7: He gave up.

1631
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 2: Uh. Todd's in North Carolina. What's up? Todd?

1632
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 16: Hey?

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Speaker 8: The I know it wasn't the Chris with the t

1634
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 8: I N that called in earlier, but I think he

1635
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 8: kind of had a point with what he was saying

1636
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 8: about a quarterback. I don't think that it's a superpower

1637
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 8: you're looking for. You're looking for somebody that can elevate

1638
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 8: the people around him, and it's going to inquire a

1639
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 8: little bit of leadership, but that it requires the skill.

1640
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 8: It's the culmination of the two and I don't think

1641
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 8: mac Jones could do that. I think mac Jones was

1642
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 8: elevated by coaching and maybe some other people helping him.

1643
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 8: I think it's you know, you need somebody like a

1644
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 8: and Peyton Brady could do it, and right now you

1645
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 8: see Mahomes can do it.

1646
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 2: You have to be a leader.

1647
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 8: What's the face in Buffalo actually does it? It doesn't

1648
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 8: feel like he he doesn't feel like he elevates them.

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01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 8: It feels like he just improvised. So I think that's

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01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 8: the quality that you really need in your quarterback? What

1651
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 8: do you guys think?

1652
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 2: I think you do, and I think, but I think

1653
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 2: Josh Allen has it.

1654
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 5: No, he's trash, Yeah, I have him, he's supposed to be.

1655
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 5: I can't do it with Patriots fans of Josh Allen like,

1656
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, he's really really good. I'm a lot of

1657
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 5: people's feelings.

1658
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, all the great quarterbacks are good.

1659
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Speaker 4: Leader guy has a stud I mean, it's it's hard

1660
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 4: to be great at that spot and not be a

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01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 4: great leader. I agree with I agree with that premise

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01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 4: of it, but.

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Speaker 2: I think that's not what Christian was saying.

1664
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 4: No, Christian was saying that you have to have the

1665
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 4: elite talent to be in that spot, and he doesn't

1666
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 4: believe that these guys do, which is fine. That's the

1667
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 4: ironic part of the whole discussion is if you don't

1668
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,839
Speaker 4: think that Jayden Daniels or Drake may or Caleb Williams

1669
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 4: or any of these guys has the ability, that's nothing

1670
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 4: wrong with that. I think everybody has different opinions on

1671
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 4: different guys. But I just don't know how you can

1672
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 4: watch a guy play like Jayden Daniels and not say

1673
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 4: he's got elite athleticism. I don't know how you can

1674
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:19,640
Speaker 4: come to that determination.

1675
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 3: I mean, there's elevate, but I also think there's an

1676
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 3: element that guys have to want to play for you,

1677
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 3: like and you know, it's it's not like you're necessarily

1678
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 3: elevating them. It's just they're gonna play hard for you.

1679
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 3: And you know, even quarterbacks who aren't necessarily the most talented,

1680
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 3: like I would say, like a Ryan Fitzpatrick is the

1681
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 3: first random example that comes my head of just a

1682
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 3: guy that he's not great, he doesn't have a lot

1683
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 3: of but guys like him, they want to play for him,

1684
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 3: and he won some games over the years that especially

1685
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 3: one here that you know he probably shouldst.

1686
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:49,440
Speaker 4: Yes, but yeah, your point is absolutely valid, Like there's

1687
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 4: a guy who got the most out of what he

1688
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 4: had because of all those other things. Breaking new sound

1689
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 4: when news breaks Adam's.

1690
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 3: Bengals are signing Trent Brown according to Ian Rappaport.

1691
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 9: Okay, anyways, so Kirk Cousins falls into that category that

1692
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 9: you're maybe.

1693
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 3: A little bit, but I think he's I mean, he's

1694
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 3: got more talented, tremendous leader. Yes, yeah, but yeah, I

1695
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 3: think you know it's and you know, it's I don't know,

1696
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 3: I just I'm trying to draw the connection between like

1697
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 3: how do you elevate guys like you know, It's like

1698
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 3: you don't really elevate them. They play, they play harder,

1699
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 3: they play better, you know you I mean, I.

1700
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 4: Do you do elevate? But I think people feel like

1701
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 4: some of these guys are not that good. They just

1702
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 4: you know, they're a great leader, they're scrappy, they're overachievers.

1703
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 4: But there's a level of ability that isn't like Kirk Cousins. Listen,

1704
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins isn't my cup of tea as a quarterback,

1705
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:49,879
Speaker 4: I think you're limited. But he's a really good passer

1706
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 4: and he's obviously smart enough to understand defenses to the

1707
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 4: level he's had as much success as he's had in

1708
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 4: the league. Right, So this isn't this ability there that's

1709
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 4: high end. Then you add in Tamara's leadership qualities that

1710
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,719
Speaker 4: I think put him probably at a level a little

1711
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 4: bit higher.

1712
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 7: Right.

1713
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a good play I mean, I don't

1714
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 4: love him, but he's a really good player and has

1715
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 4: been for a long time.

1716
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 3: And there's so many instances with kir Cousins of like

1717
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 3: you like that or him with the chain dancing Gregory King.

1718
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 3: He's just a lovable kind of.

1719
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 5: Guy and I'm still trying to figure out what game

1720
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 5: this is bugging the craphead of me.

1721
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:28,919
Speaker 9: I'm interested to see I'm interested to see him in Atlanta,

1722
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 9: Like I just feel like the whole chain thing is

1723
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 9: just going to continue to.

1724
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 5: Just that offense should be good. I mean, they have

1725
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 5: all the pieces for that offense to be really, really good,

1726
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 5: So it'll be interesting to see what they look like.

1727
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 2: Barton Poland rights and I'm cautiously optimistic about this offseason.

1728
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 2: When you listen to people from the outside the organization,

1729
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 2: they praise the Patriots for the moves they've made so far,

1730
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 2: for not going crazy with the money, which almost never

1731
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 2: works out free agency in the long term. Most of

1732
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 2: the complaints come from Patriots fans, and that's understandable. The

1733
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 2: team's fans will always have a slightly skewed judgment, and

1734
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 2: it's not exclusive to Patriots fans. How many Bears fans

1735
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 2: want to lynch the front office for an objectively good

1736
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 2: move moving on from fields. In drafting, Caleb an appeal

1737
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,600
Speaker 2: to fans be patient a.

1738
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 5: Little bit, but I agree with his overall point that

1739
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 5: the national media seems to be a lot higher on

1740
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 5: what the Patriots are doing than the local people. And

1741
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 5: I think the local people are uneasy, like there's just

1742
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 5: unrest here and they want to be competitive again, and

1743
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 5: they have that angle of it, which I totally understand.

1744
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 5: But a lot of these national places are saying the

1745
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 5: Patriots have had a very shrewd, very tepid, but smart offseason.

1746
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 4: Can I apply on that?

1747
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1748
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm going to start by saying I think

1749
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 4: that this free agency year in general has really not

1750
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 4: been like Fred you started the whole show by saying

1751
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 4: like something about Patriots haven't really made any splashes. I

1752
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 4: don't really think there have been very many splashes period

1753
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 4: in the league. I don't think it was a great

1754
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 4: free agent class top to bottom. There was some good

1755
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:06,879
Speaker 4: players available, and some of those, you know, Christian Wilkins,

1756
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 4: got big money, but I don't think there were a

1757
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 4: lot of those. So I think it was kind of

1758
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 4: quiet in general around the league. But the reason I

1759
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:16,560
Speaker 4: think that national guys are higher on what the Patriots

1760
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 4: did than the local guys is because the local guys

1761
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 4: no more and the national guys are still in denial.

1762
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:26,640
Speaker 4: They're still in denial as to how far down the

1763
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 4: Patriots fell over the last couple of years. And they

1764
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 4: think by resigning guys and you know, mixing in a

1765
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 4: couple of quality veterans, that represents a great offseason. And

1766
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 4: I'm fine with I am not killing the offseason. Let

1767
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 4: me state that definitively. I think some of the moves

1768
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 4: they made have been fine. But I think people look

1769
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 4: at it like, well, this was twenty seventeen. They didn't

1770
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 4: need to go out and sign Christian Wilkins or Daniel

1771
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 4: Hunter off the air, didn't need to make those kinds

1772
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 4: of moves. They just plug in a couple of guys

1773
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 4: here and there, and you're fine, that's not with the

1774
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 4: Patriots are right now. And I've seen a lot of

1775
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of national guys I think, you know,

1776
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 4: say like they were one of the better I think

1777
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 4: I think I saw they were like seventh in the

1778
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 4: AFC for a grading in the the the off season,

1779
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 4: the free agency, and like, okay, then that either I

1780
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 4: don't think much of what everybody else has done, or

1781
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 4: you just think that these moves are going to put

1782
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 4: the Patriots in a position higher than I think they are.

1783
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 5: I don't yeah, I just think I agree with what

1784
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 5: you're saying. I just just to tell you what I

1785
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:38,799
Speaker 5: think they're saying is more on the lines of it's

1786
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 5: it's been proven that going out and spending a bunch

1787
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 5: of money in free agency to fix your team is

1788
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 5: not as a way to turn yourself into it. And

1789
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,639
Speaker 5: I would agree with that. They've spent the good amount

1790
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 5: of money though. Well, but like you know, the Splash signings,

1791
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 5: you know the.

1792
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 4: Think do you think the rankings would be higher or

1793
01:19:55,680 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 4: lower if they had signed Calvin Ridley higher? So basically

1794
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 4: you're telling me what the Patriots do is going to

1795
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,679
Speaker 4: be given that grade. And I think we're still there

1796
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 4: nationally like the Patriots did it, so it's right. I

1797
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 4: think we're still there. I don't know how I agree

1798
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 4: with you. I don't know how.

1799
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 5: I just think it's they look at it from a

1800
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 5: we know here back in twenty twenty one, we just

1801
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 5: did this, that you spent all the money.

1802
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 4: It looks great in March, f and in December we

1803
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 4: still did this. We were all talking for months about

1804
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 4: Bill won't be back next year. Nationally, they were laughing

1805
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 4: at us. The talking heads in Boston want to run

1806
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 4: Belichick out of town. Those mean talk show hosts on

1807
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 4: your show, my shows wanted to run Belichick out of town.

1808
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 4: They were in complete denial. They had no idea that

1809
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 4: he was getting fired. They had none.

1810
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 5: Nope. Who was right, Rich Eisen The people that are

1811
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 5: watching were right. They're not watching. They still think it's

1812
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:55,719
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen.

1813
01:20:55,920 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to the A Sticket Hutline Johnson, York,

1814
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 2: Hey John, John, Wow, it's only on for twelve minutes. Uh,

1815
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:09,679
Speaker 2: Ben and Chestnut Hills.

1816
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 4: There's another good segment on the sports up coming out?

1817
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? Does Hey? Ben?

1818
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 11: I was just wondering your thoughts. I was thinking about

1819
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 11: like team building and just like how the NFL has

1820
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 11: been in the past few years. And I'm honestly not

1821
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 11: too upset like that we didn't over spend and like

1822
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 11: make a big splash. I think like this really goes

1823
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 11: a little more long term than that. But I just

1824
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 11: I'm not familiar enough with like how cap space work.

1825
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 11: Can you guys talk a little bit about like if

1826
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 11: we had like thirty million dollars left of cap space

1827
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 11: going into the season, Like what does that mean for

1828
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 11: the team?

1829
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 5: It rolls over, so the caps space will roll over

1830
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 5: into next year. Now, you have expenditures between now and

1831
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 5: then the draft signing, the draft class, injured reserve, practice squad,

1832
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 5: you know, things like that that will cut into it.

1833
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 5: But if they let's say they they spent about ten

1834
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 5: to fifteen million of it and all those different types

1835
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 5: of things, they have twenty million dollars in cap space,

1836
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 5: you add, it rolls over into the twenty twenty five

1837
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 5: year league year.

1838
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 2: But it also does it doesn't limit them like going forward,

1839
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 2: like to leave money for next year. You know, it

1840
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,679
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter because even though you have thirty million,

1841
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 2: that's that's different than what you have to spend. So

1842
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 2: like they could spend one hundred million this year, and

1843
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 2: the way they structure the deal still be under the

1844
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 2: cap as long as they figure it out. So no,

1845
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 2: but they have to make decisions in order to do that,

1846
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 2: and that's where the cap comes in. But you can

1847
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 2: how you structure the deal is more important, and the

1848
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 2: guaranteed money and when it's paid out is more important

1849
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 2: than the cap number.

1850
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 5: Okay, I will say that a lot of the deals

1851
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 5: that they've signed and a lot of like they don't

1852
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 5: have a lot of players under contract for twenty twenty five.

1853
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 4: I mean the veterans. Only one of them got more

1854
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 4: than two years and that was Gibson.

1855
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, he got three. And they don't have

1856
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 5: the one and everybody yet time. Yeah, I think I

1857
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 5: think they have something like forty in house free agents

1858
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:22,560
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty five right now, So forty.

1859
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 9: Does that money goes towards the reports of working on

1860
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,799
Speaker 9: Judon's contract in the short term.

1861
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 3: Shirt Judon. That's news to Judon by the.

1862
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 4: Way, Yeah, I loved that.

1863
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, That's why I said, because that was the bot.

1864
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 5: That was one of the bots. Yeah, and I love that.

1865
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1866
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, In like a Christian Barmore extension will probably cost

1867
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 5: them money in the immediate as well if they were

1868
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,759
Speaker 5: to do that. Obviously, if they agree to an extension

1869
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,639
Speaker 5: with Duggar, that would that would lower his number potentially,

1870
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 5: but like guys like bar More Judon, any new money

1871
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 5: would potentially kick in this year.

1872
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 3: So this is March twentieth, twenty twelve and eight and

1873
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 3: eight zero win for the Bruins.

1874
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 4: Okay, Jonathan, why one of those this is this day

1875
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 4: in history?

1876
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 5: Such a random game, Jonathan?

1877
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 2: Is it has an MBA in accounting and is a

1878
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 2: CPA candidate. He just has that in his email. Longtime

1879
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 2: listener first time emailer Meryl Hodge came out and said

1880
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 2: he has a second round grade on May. Meryl has

1881
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 2: a good stretch of being correct. Do we put any

1882
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 2: steak in his opinion? Sure?

1883
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 5: Put in his opinion, just like I do anybody else

1884
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 5: added to the soup of all these people's opinions.

1885
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't we all got I'd like to

1886
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 2: know why, Like.

1887
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,639
Speaker 4: I'd also like to know what his stretch of being

1888
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 4: correct is.

1889
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:43,879
Speaker 3: Chris Sims had had Harrison like third receiver.

1890
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 2: Well, Chris Sims has Joe Milton his number four, right

1891
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 2: or something like that. No, I don't think he has

1892
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 2: no HEAs does something weird like that he.

1893
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:52,679
Speaker 3: Got is something weird? Otherwise people won't talk about it.

1894
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I but I put that in with all

1895
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 4: the other guys, Like why why should I ignore one

1896
01:24:58,800 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 4: guy because doesn't agree with.

1897
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 2: My I just like to know his details, like what's

1898
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 2: he seeing or what's he not seeing that others are.

1899
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 2: Trent writes in He's got a Dynasty question. By the way, Dynasty,

1900
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 2: we're going to have another final episode of our wrap

1901
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 2: up with Jeff Benedict and Matt Hammachuck. We had them

1902
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 2: both in studio at the same time, so yeah, that'll

1903
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,679
Speaker 2: be good, he says. In the episode of The Dynasty,

1904
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 2: there was a clip from Super Bowl forty two, the

1905
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 2: eighteen and one season. About the last thirty seconds. It

1906
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 2: appeared Bill told Brady to play for a field goal.

1907
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:37,640
Speaker 2: Immediately after, Brady said to Moss, we're canning that, and

1908
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 2: then he threw a bomb. Do you guys think it

1909
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 2: was edited to come across as Brady saying we're canning

1910
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 2: that and going for the win? Or do you think

1911
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 2: Brady really ignored Bill and threw the hail Mary to

1912
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 2: Moss on his own. Interested to hear each of your

1913
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 2: thoughts on this and also what are your opinions of

1914
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 2: Craft and Bill and Tom after watching The Dynasty? Did

1915
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 2: it change the way you view any of them? So

1916
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 2: I remember that part of the Remember that in The

1917
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 2: Dynasty Brady just kind of went out, he went rogue

1918
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 2: and said not with I.

1919
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 4: I don't remember I do in I would also, just

1920
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 4: you know, not to be nitpicky. I don't think it

1921
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 4: was a hail married Moss. I think they had Moss

1922
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 4: deep down the side, you know, regular double coverage like

1923
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 4: they had most of the year, and the guy made

1924
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 4: a great play, got a hand on the ball.

1925
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:25,839
Speaker 2: It was close.

1926
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 4: They had a.

1927
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:30,799
Speaker 2: Shot, but that was from what I understand, Like, maybe

1928
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 2: I guess they could have gotten into field goal, but

1929
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 2: I don't think it was. It was like, how many

1930
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:36,679
Speaker 2: seconds were left?

1931
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 4: Thirty like thirty seconds. They could have gotten into field

1932
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 4: but range.

1933
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 2: There was thirty seconds left.

1934
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they would have would if he had

1935
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 5: caught the ball, they would have been like, he wasn't

1936
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 5: gonna he caught that ball, absolutely, yeah, but they weren't

1937
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 5: gonna go That wasn't gonna be a touchdown. He's going

1938
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 5: to get tackled.

1939
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 4: But do you think that I think the question would

1940
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:54,600
Speaker 4: be that that the email is trying to get in

1941
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,719
Speaker 4: matriculated down the Can we can we throw three crosses

1942
01:26:58,760 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 4: to Welker and get in field goal?

1943
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1944
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:02,679
Speaker 5: Maybe I didn't remember that they got.

1945
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 4: It was feasible, sure, but I think they got sacked

1946
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 4: on the first place. To me, that kind of eliminated

1947
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 4: that right.

1948
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 2: And wasn't the throat of Moss the last play of

1949
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 2: the game.

1950
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 5: No, that was a bad editor edit Okay.

1951
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 4: They made it out to be that was the last

1952
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 4: play of the game.

1953
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 2: It wasn't. Okay.

1954
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 5: I would also say that I wonder how your opinion

1955
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 5: would change nothing. Who is this game?

1956
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 3: It's ate nothing, brus.

1957
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 5: I also like, now getting into field goal range in

1958
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 5: thirty seconds is nothing, Like you can you can do

1959
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:35,639
Speaker 5: that in a second.

1960
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 3: I mean like if that was Mahomes now I mean.

1961
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 5: Thirteen Yeah, And that's.

1962
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,680
Speaker 2: That's why, Like I just remember my feeling there like

1963
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 2: it was a lost cause.

1964
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 4: It wasn't. It wasn't a lost cause. It's because of

1965
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 4: the I think the sack probably eliminated the chances of

1966
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 4: a field goal.

1967
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know, snarky Paulo.

1968
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 4: Chi mean you know, if cut it, would they have

1969
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 4: gone for the field goal or they've just gone for it,

1970
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 4: try to get a touchdown.

1971
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 3: I don't trust didn't trust Castowski.

1972
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 4: So that's snarky.

1973
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:11,640
Speaker 3: Sorry, missus Kestowski. If you're still listening. I say, I

1974
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 3: went back and watched that last episode. I mean we

1975
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 3: we watched it all together, but as a as just

1976
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 3: a fawn, I went back and watched it, and I

1977
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 3: think the last episode was really good. I just think,

1978
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 3: you know, and I say this as a as a

1979
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 3: as a Patriots fan, not a Patriots like it's a

1980
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 3: necessary part of this to tell the whole story. And

1981
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 3: as I said on the wrap up, we'll always have

1982
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 3: three games to glory. Do your job. You know, every

1983
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 3: nice team I own, I own all of them.

1984
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 5: We will always have Paris, but I.

1985
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 3: Own all of them. And that'll that'll tell you what

1986
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 3: all the games were and what the drama was of

1987
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:43,720
Speaker 3: the seasons and the ups and the downs. But look,

1988
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 3: as much as you don't want to admit it, like

1989
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 3: all this other stuff, as they became the biggest thing

1990
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 3: in sports, it was a part of that story and

1991
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:52,679
Speaker 3: they told it their way, and yes there were some holes,

1992
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 3: but I think in the end, if somebody watched that,

1993
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 3: they would have a full sense of what this Patriots

1994
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 3: dynasty was. If you just watched America's game, you'd be like, wow,

1995
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 3: that's not the whole story. Like, you know, really, in

1996
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 3: the context of the history of space, they were really good.

1997
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 5: This is part of it, you know.

1998
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 4: And now you watch the dynasty and it's like they

1999
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 4: were really good and in a lot of ways even

2000
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 4: more impressive, especially to win that last one, you know,

2001
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,679
Speaker 4: under the circumstances that they wanted. When you know, guys

2002
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 4: like mccordy and Slater are telling you just how untenable

2003
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 4: the situation was among between I should say Tom and Bill. Yeah,

2004
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:27,719
Speaker 4: you know, Slater was literally a goal between.

2005
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,559
Speaker 2: But the joy had been taken out of winning. And

2006
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 2: you know, I look at somebody.

2007
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 4: It didn't have to f and be that way.

2008
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I was talking to someone because you know,

2009
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 2: if you were making a documentary about a wedding, would

2010
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:43,679
Speaker 2: you just focus on the negative? And I said, well,

2011
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 2: if it, yeah, I mean you'd want to know why

2012
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 2: did it end?

2013
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 3: Where were the seeds being planted?

2014
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean if they just had this magical

2015
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 4: romance that never had any product story, then none of

2016
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 4: them No, but none of that would make it into

2017
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 4: the documentary. If they stayed married but they had an

2018
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 4: affair between you, did they just ignore that part of

2019
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 4: the story.

2020
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 3: Well, so showing the love part was set up the

2021
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 3: tragedy pretty good, though, you know, Yeah, I.

2022
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:09,679
Speaker 5: Think that the one thing, as someone that didn't watch

2023
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 5: it with you guys, so that I think that that's cool. Honestly.

2024
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 5: I The one thing that I don't understand still is

2025
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 5: why why did Bill even sit down for this and

2026
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:25,679
Speaker 5: it all it's either one thing. It's either that he

2027
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 5: knew it was going to make him look bad so

2028
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 5: he just let them do it to almost make them

2029
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 5: look himself look sympathetic. I get like, is that possible

2030
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 5: that he was sitting there and he was like, well,

2031
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 5: if they're just gonna drag me for ten episodes, I'll

2032
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 5: just let them do it, and then they look like the.

2033
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's what it looked like.

2034
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 4: You say that.

2035
01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 2: I think. I think as an organization, we made a

2036
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 2: commitment to cooperate with this, you know, and I and

2037
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 2: maybe it was naive to hope that it would come

2038
01:30:57,240 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 2: out all rosy.

2039
01:30:58,400 --> 01:30:58,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

2040
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:02,560
Speaker 5: I just feel like he had so many opportunities to

2041
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 5: a to defend himself in some circumstances, but also to

2042
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 5: show how great he was like and talk about some

2043
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 5: of these games and some of these moments, and he

2044
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 5: just didn't take any well.

2045
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. You know. The question in the

2046
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 2: email was did after you see that, did your opinion

2047
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 2: of any of the three change? My answers, No, I

2048
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 2: think they're what I thought about them before the documentary

2049
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 2: is what I think about them Now.

2050
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 3: It made me actually like Tom Brady, which was weird. No,

2051
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding out, No, I I really felt I

2052
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:33,640
Speaker 3: didn't feel like I learned anything new or gain a

2053
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:37,679
Speaker 3: new perspective on anything. Really from one through set eight

2054
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 3: those episodes like you know, the good stuff, bad stuff,

2055
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 3: I kind of knew it all. But those last two

2056
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:46,560
Speaker 3: episodes I think really just pulled the curtain back a

2057
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 3: little bit on how much it was really falling apart

2058
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 3: and the things. And we talked about it many times. No, well,

2059
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 3: I wasn't really listening to you at that point, so

2060
01:31:55,040 --> 01:32:01,599
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're saying as much as I

2061
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 3: was definitely a fan of the show. But but talk

2062
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 3: about twenty nineteen. I was here for that, and I

2063
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 3: saw the tension. I could see Brady looking miserable. I

2064
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 3: could this is how it is. So I was here

2065
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 3: for a season you know, of that, And that was

2066
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 3: what was amazing to me was how did they get

2067
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:17,719
Speaker 3: to that season? I mean, how did they even get

2068
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:20,320
Speaker 3: through twenty seventeen and bring it back in eighteen. I

2069
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 3: mean there's even probably more to mine out of that season,

2070
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 3: and then they just kind of skip over twenty nineteen,

2071
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 3: which is like, no, they went two more years together.

2072
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 3: They continued to do this.

2073
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 5: In twenty nineteen season, because that was my second year

2074
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 5: on the beat, and that Brady that season was a

2075
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 5: miserable human being, right, and they were what eight and

2076
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 5: nine to zero or something before the Baltimore game, and

2077
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 5: that's what.

2078
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 4: They get some criticism for the documentary for not illustrating.

2079
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 5: That I will never forget standing in Tennessee or is

2080
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 5: it Detroit one of those joint practices Detroit? And somebody

2081
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 5: asked him about his contract and it was it was bad.

2082
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 5: Like he was like, mister yeah, go ask mister Kraft.

2083
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 5: And you could tell on his face that like at

2084
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 5: that point, I was like, this is it, Like he's

2085
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 5: he's gone.

2086
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 2: I mean, they could have added that in, but I

2087
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 2: think probably and not, you know, not to speak for them,

2088
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 2: but they felt that we made the point that he

2089
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 2: was miserable. We didn't need to show nineteen to show

2090
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 2: that because we already made.

2091
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 3: Would say, my only point be a technical thing, which

2092
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 3: was you made it. You kind of was misleading because

2093
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:23,599
Speaker 3: it felt like they won the super Bowl and then

2094
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 3: he left two.

2095
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 2: Years later without for someone who didn't know I could

2096
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:29,759
Speaker 2: see them thinking that, and I do think.

2097
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,479
Speaker 4: That the people that have been critical it's been like, oh,

2098
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:35,879
Speaker 4: they're showing the rift between Bill and Tom. Well, clearly

2099
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 4: there was another rift that was there and it was

2100
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:42,720
Speaker 4: playing for everybody to see. They glossed over that in

2101
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,800
Speaker 4: that twenty nineteen season, Tom was mad at the world.

2102
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 4: In two thousand, it wasn't just Bill at that point.

2103
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 5: I remember Philly, he got to the podium and they

2104
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 5: played they played a rock fight against the Eagles, but

2105
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 5: they won the game, and yeah, Edelman double pass, yeah back,

2106
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 5: and he was just he was just miserable. I mean,

2107
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 5: he was just miserable. Were eight no, yeah, yeah, and

2108
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 5: then they went to Baltimore.

2109
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 4: Was blown Yeah, and then they they stumbled down the

2110
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 4: stretch four and five, I think.

2111
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 5: But his look on his face after the Titans loss

2112
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:20,599
Speaker 5: here in the wild card round was like relief. And now,

2113
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 5: you know, I had my first year on the BA,

2114
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 5: they won the Super Bowl, so I had never seen

2115
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 5: him lose a playoff game. I was expecting him to

2116
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:30,760
Speaker 5: be miserable, and he looked like he was happy.

2117
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,760
Speaker 2: They were four and four down the stretch because he

2118
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 2: got tired of the twelve and fourth season.

2119
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 4: That was true, he was tired, not for me. Then

2120
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:39,480
Speaker 4: we lost the playoffs.

2121
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:40,240
Speaker 3: Lucky for you guys.

2122
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 4: Never but that's when Al Michael said Tom Brady was

2123
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 4: the most miserable eight no quarterback in football.

2124
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:44,799
Speaker 3: Everyone.

2125
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 4: It was that Sunday night game against Baltimore that they got.

2126
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:48,760
Speaker 5: They got blood.

2127
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 2: Let's see who's this, Jeff writes in uh stay, if

2128
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 2: May trade back if Daniels, as Duke said, we want

2129
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 2: the Drake if he's not there, the best outcome for

2130
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 2: one of the draft is wow. I can't believe how

2131
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 2: much we got for trading back from three. And what

2132
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:07,840
Speaker 2: do you guys think Cliff Kingsbury and Adam Peters in.

2133
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 3: D C will prefer I hope they take Jane Daniels.

2134
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 3: And I don't mean this is like I don't want

2135
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 3: Jane Daniels. I would be totally happy with him, but

2136
01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 3: I just I would.

2137
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:17,639
Speaker 5: Prefer I would prefer May And I think we got

2138
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:19,480
Speaker 5: to do some strongly.

2139
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 11: In the.

2140
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 3: Sorry no, I like no, you know, I mean, it's

2141
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 3: it's just kind of my process of what I you know,

2142
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 3: I continue to kind of watch these guys a little

2143
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:29,720
Speaker 3: bit here and there and dig and you know, and

2144
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:32,640
Speaker 3: it's just I mean, I again, like it's hard to

2145
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 3: take a stand on one of them without trying to

2146
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 3: feel like I don't like Jade. Like I think Jane

2147
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 3: Dams would be great. I would be excited to see

2148
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:40,320
Speaker 3: him out here. I just think, if I have to

2149
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:42,600
Speaker 3: roll the dice on one of these two guys, I

2150
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:44,600
Speaker 3: would just take a chance on the guy who's a

2151
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 3: little bit younger and you know, still has some skills

2152
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 3: to develop. But I mean, they both have skills to develop,

2153
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:51,640
Speaker 3: so you know, I I won't be complaining at all

2154
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:53,760
Speaker 3: if they take Daniels. But honestly, after those two, I

2155
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 3: don't really have any use for any other quarterbacks.

2156
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:55,760
Speaker 7: In this draft.

2157
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:59,280
Speaker 5: I couldn't agree more that tell Aldred that it stinks

2158
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:02,720
Speaker 5: that it we all have to trash Daniels to support Like,

2159
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:04,720
Speaker 5: I like both these guys a lot too. I think

2160
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 5: the difference, just to me, is that so much of

2161
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels's production came on throwing fades to those two receivers,

2162
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 5: and it's like, if he doesn't have those two guys

2163
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 5: that are true ball winners on the outside, that can

2164
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 5: really win matchups and things like that, and it's all

2165
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:23,719
Speaker 5: on him to process the field and make decisions, and yeah, exactly.

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01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:27,440
Speaker 5: I just I think that that's gonna be Justin Field's

2167
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:30,679
Speaker 5: ish for him early and whether or not he pulls

2168
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:32,559
Speaker 5: out of it, it's going to be if they can

2169
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 5: get him the receivers to win on the outside.

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Speaker 2: Patrick's and Florida. What's up, Patrick?

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01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 8: Hello?

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01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:44,559
Speaker 17: Yes, Hey, Hi, Yeah, a longtime listener, first time caller.

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01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 11: I just wanted to.

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01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:48,799
Speaker 8: Say, you know, a lot of people are talking about

2175
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 8: not being able to get receiver talent in free agency.

2176
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 8: I think if we take a quarterback this year.

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01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 17: At three, it's gonna make it a whole lot easier.

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01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 8: To attract those receivers to come to us.

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01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:01,639
Speaker 3: That's the Oh yeah, I mean that's the hope down

2180
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:03,320
Speaker 3: the road. I mean, that's and that's kind of speaks

2181
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 3: to what I said of guys want to play for him,

2182
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 3: you know. And I think, you know, you can go

2183
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 3: back to Paul and Bledsoe in the nineties where you

2184
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 3: felt like you were building a little something. I don't

2185
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:12,960
Speaker 3: think anybody came out of last year feeling like we're

2186
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 3: building a little something here. It felt like we were

2187
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 3: kind of hanging on to an old model that wasn't

2188
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 3: working anymore.

2189
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:19,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like ninety four Patriots. They weren't a contender,

2190
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:22,200
Speaker 4: but they were clearly on the rise, and you could

2191
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:23,759
Speaker 4: say ninety six you're a contender.

2192
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 2: Yep, Thanks Patrick, appreciate the call. John in New York's

2193
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:30,679
Speaker 2: giving in another shot, what's up, John?

2194
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 17: Hey, I was just wondering, is this smart to pick

2195
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 17: Luke McCaffrey at thirty four or wait until day three?

2196
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:41,519
Speaker 17: Thickens he can play quarterbacks, but he changed his position

2197
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:42,200
Speaker 17: to wide receiver.

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01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 5: So Luke McCaffrey is Christian.

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01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 3: McCaffrey, like Brendan Wright, likes family.

2200
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 5: Thanks, so, yeah, Luke McCaffrey is Christian McCaffrey's brother who

2201
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 5: plays wide receiver. And it is a Day three guy.

2202
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:57,240
Speaker 5: They probably fourth fifth round something.

2203
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:59,559
Speaker 4: Pretty sure he knew that based on yeah, yeah.

2204
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 3: Following, because you could get like a Luke chant for.

2205
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 5: I just like to know some people are talking about

2206
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 5: so I just, you know, want to make sure everybody

2207
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:10,360
Speaker 5: I do find that though a lot of people are

2208
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:14,400
Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison, Junior, Brendan Rice, Luke McCaffrey, all because of

2209
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 5: the bloodlines, you know, it's all because of who their

2210
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:19,800
Speaker 5: fathers are and who their brothers are and stuff like that.

2211
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 3: Who's the linebacker two from the Eagles that's got a

2212
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 3: kid in this one?

2213
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:25,640
Speaker 5: That's crazy?

2214
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 4: How about me?

2215
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 5: That's how old doing your research?

2216
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:33,600
Speaker 2: Not really long, Gino from Jersey writes in I just

2217
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:36,679
Speaker 2: want to express that it's very understanding why Belichick doesn't

2218
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 2: answer media questions. Hearing from Paul shows and seeing mostly

2219
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 2: on other social media how often people bring up Mayo

2220
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:46,639
Speaker 2: and Elliott quotes about weaponizing the offense and having money

2221
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:49,720
Speaker 2: to burn. It's ridiculous how much they get ridiculed for

2222
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 2: saying those things, as much as I understand why they

2223
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,759
Speaker 2: said that. Realistically, you can't fix everything in free agency,

2224
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,679
Speaker 2: especially if players don't want to come here. But there's

2225
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 2: still time, and I'm hoping they can get three hits

2226
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:03,719
Speaker 2: off the draft. I know the chances aren't that good,

2227
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:04,679
Speaker 2: but one can hope.

2228
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 3: That's I was thinking that this is a learning process

2229
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 3: for these new guys, I think, and I think they've

2230
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 3: slipped up a couple of times with stuff that Bill

2231
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 3: in his first go around made have made that mistake,

2232
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 3: and that's why he shut it down. Where you can't

2233
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:18,599
Speaker 3: kind of make an off the cuff kind of comment

2234
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:22,479
Speaker 3: like money to burn or weaponize and this is what's

2235
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 3: gonna happen. It's going to get thrown back in your face.

2236
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 4: I strongly agree with that notion. That's why Bill didn't

2237
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 4: say anything. But I completely disagree with like, it's been

2238
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 4: unfair to criticize. You don't say those things, not do

2239
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:37,200
Speaker 4: them and expect everybody to say, oh well, And you

2240
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 4: don't have to be mad that they didn't spend money

2241
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:41,680
Speaker 4: because you know, we talked about the off season. I

2242
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:43,960
Speaker 4: don't think there were a ton of opportunities to spend

2243
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:47,160
Speaker 4: a lot of money. Ridley the exception, right, but.

2244
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:48,639
Speaker 2: When they were willing to spend a lot.

2245
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 4: But when you say that and then don't do it,

2246
01:39:51,320 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 4: I don't know why it's unfair to then question that.

2247
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:57,080
Speaker 4: And I don't think they've been questioned over the top

2248
01:39:57,120 --> 01:39:57,479
Speaker 4: about it.

2249
01:39:57,560 --> 01:39:59,840
Speaker 5: I think that's my biggest critique so far of the

2250
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:04,479
Speaker 5: off season is you over promised, under promise, and over deliver.

2251
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:04,680
Speaker 16: Right.

2252
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:06,679
Speaker 4: So, there was a really interesting thing and I want

2253
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 4: to give you a plug here, Ev and you and

2254
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 4: Mike when you talk to when you talk to Elliott

2255
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 4: Wolf at the combine and your boy Alex brought this

2256
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:17,599
Speaker 4: up on Sunday. I had an unbelievable two hour stint

2257
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:19,519
Speaker 4: with Alex Body, which unbe.

2258
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 7: No.

2259
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 4: But Alex called out the quote that you guys had

2260
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:32,040
Speaker 4: from Elliott. It was much more measured than full throttle

2261
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 4: money to burn all this. And he talked about, and

2262
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 4: I'm paraphrasing a little bit, just you know, the different

2263
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 4: ways that you have to do it. It's not just

2264
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 4: about but to ignore free agency is foolish or something

2265
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:46,800
Speaker 4: like that, you know, and that's like, that's what he's

2266
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:49,960
Speaker 4: talking about. Well, they kind of did. They resigned, Like,

2267
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 4: I understand that money is money, so you spend money

2268
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:55,880
Speaker 4: on your own guys, you spend money on other guys.

2269
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:58,840
Speaker 4: I do not count re signing your own guys as

2270
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 4: free agency. It's necessary in some cases. I'm not diminishing it.

2271
01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:06,120
Speaker 4: But free agency to me is the guys that they

2272
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:09,960
Speaker 4: signed from other teams. That's that's your free agency. So

2273
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 4: like they kind of did ignore free agency in this

2274
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:16,200
Speaker 4: that they chose to get a handful of guys on

2275
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:19,360
Speaker 4: one year deals that aren't really gonna be.

2276
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:21,360
Speaker 3: Gibson and Talkie TALKI the only ones that got more

2277
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:21,679
Speaker 3: than one.

2278
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 2: Paul, is it okay to ignore the supplemental draft?

2279
01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 4: Yes?

2280
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:30,559
Speaker 5: Hey, Terrell prior came from the supplemental draft. Tim writes

2281
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 5: in to Gerrod Cherry, don't disrespect Tim.

2282
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:36,280
Speaker 2: Our friend from Duncan says, I missed the first part

2283
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:38,040
Speaker 2: of the show, and you may have already talked about

2284
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 2: the Tom Brady ceremony on June twelfth, if not to

2285
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 2: have any more details other than the time and date, Well,

2286
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:47,840
Speaker 2: season ticket holders have first priority and tickets. Yes you will.

2287
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:51,240
Speaker 2: If you're season ticket holders, you're probably get to notice

2288
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 2: in the mailiness been made.

2289
01:41:54,479 --> 01:42:01,640
Speaker 4: Had that not been made public until yesterday.

2290
01:41:58,160 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 5: I Roberts say June twelve, I think he did. I

2291
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 5: thought I could have sworn he did. Yeah, but everybody we.

2292
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:06,240
Speaker 3: Did it was confirmed.

2293
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:08,720
Speaker 5: Is the thing that we released the full schedule the

2294
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:09,600
Speaker 5: spring and put it.

2295
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:12,680
Speaker 4: Everybody was like, oh, and the Patriot's gonna also could

2296
01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:13,000
Speaker 4: have sworn.

2297
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:15,559
Speaker 9: He said about that us getting a full schedule.

2298
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:18,679
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, people don't know what you're talking about.

2299
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:19,439
Speaker 2: Go ahead and explain.

2300
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:22,680
Speaker 9: Oh, just having the ability to see your entire like

2301
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:25,879
Speaker 9: off season schedule, OTA's mini camp, rookie minicamp, all the things.

2302
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 9: It's crazy. We never usually get there, no usually find

2303
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:30,320
Speaker 9: out seventy two hours.

2304
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 5: Before Well, I what I agree, and what I'm even

2305
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:34,920
Speaker 5: more excited about is we get to go to a

2306
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 5: day of rookie mini.

2307
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:38,920
Speaker 3: Camp, which I'm a little bit I'm concerned about that.

2308
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:41,680
Speaker 5: I am concerned about it as well. But if they

2309
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 5: do take a quarterback third, overall, it's gonna.

2310
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:45,840
Speaker 3: He can't hit anything. He looks terrible as.

2311
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:49,000
Speaker 4: Someone who covered out, as someone who covered about fifteen

2312
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:52,600
Speaker 4: rookie mini camps before Bill stopped allowing the media to

2313
01:42:52,600 --> 01:42:55,000
Speaker 4: go to that, you're not gonna be happy with that.

2314
01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:56,040
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna let you know that.

2315
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:58,080
Speaker 3: You mean, not happy with what they're doing having to

2316
01:42:58,120 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 3: cover it.

2317
01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:01,840
Speaker 4: It's having to cover it. It's not it's not a

2318
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 4: fun of it is that because not much goes on.

2319
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 4: It's like hurting cats. Yeah, and it was also it

2320
01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:10,880
Speaker 4: was also the time that I got but tell you

2321
01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 4: just Chad Jackson.

2322
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:15,719
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, well, I'm sure he looked Freddy.

2323
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 4: They got a good one in this.

2324
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 5: Chat, certainly.

2325
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:23,400
Speaker 3: But that scares me even more because if there's nothing

2326
01:43:23,439 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 3: really to watch or say, people are going to start

2327
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:29,839
Speaker 3: to have opinions about what they saw and start to draw.

2328
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:32,320
Speaker 5: And all of a sudden, That's exactly what I'm talking right, and.

2329
01:43:32,240 --> 01:43:33,880
Speaker 3: So this I you know, and I would I would

2330
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:37,519
Speaker 3: connect this to money to burn, like are we sure

2331
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:40,120
Speaker 3: like we want to you know, start having people forming

2332
01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 3: opinions about how Drake may held his shoulder pads when

2333
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:45,080
Speaker 3: he walked onto the field or you know what I mean,

2334
01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:47,160
Speaker 3: like those stupid things, and that will happen and people

2335
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:47,960
Speaker 3: are going to start to.

2336
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:50,439
Speaker 4: Be It was one of the was it was one

2337
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 4: of the less is more things that Bill did that

2338
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:55,840
Speaker 4: I agreed with. Yeah, I think that the rookies have

2339
01:43:56,000 --> 01:44:01,040
Speaker 4: enough to worry about then to have for people standing

2340
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:04,479
Speaker 4: on the sideline watching their every move as they're simply

2341
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 4: trying to learn the new terminology of what the system

2342
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:10,880
Speaker 4: that they're coming into is. They're not ready to be evaluated.

2343
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:12,920
Speaker 4: And I don't care how many times the coaches say

2344
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:16,840
Speaker 4: this is not evaluation. Everybody there is going to be evaluating.

2345
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:20,240
Speaker 4: There'll be people putting video clips up on their timeline

2346
01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:24,000
Speaker 4: showing this guy's great, this guy's stinks. It's not fair

2347
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 4: to the rookies, and I understand why Bill stopped allowing

2348
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:27,080
Speaker 4: us to go to it.

2349
01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 3: They say the same thing about Mini camp, where it's

2350
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:31,439
Speaker 3: this is teaching, this is and it's the same thing

2351
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:32,760
Speaker 3: and we're guilty of it two but.

2352
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 5: We all do it. Yeah, I I I'm excited for

2353
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 5: us from a content standpoint, because it's great to get

2354
01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 5: the content in the off season, is what I'm more meant.

2355
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 5: But I couldn't agree more that we don't need to

2356
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:45,120
Speaker 5: be there. It's not it's not for in the best

2357
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:46,519
Speaker 5: interest of any of the guys out there.

2358
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:51,600
Speaker 2: There's really nothing to be gained from an analysis standpoint.

2359
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:53,920
Speaker 4: You know, I think it was the year do you remember, right,

2360
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:54,799
Speaker 4: I mean I forget.

2361
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:57,160
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's it's for the dumb side of

2362
01:44:57,200 --> 01:44:59,599
Speaker 3: me that likes like football aesthetics, and they might actually

2363
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:01,559
Speaker 3: get their numbers and they'll have like their little get

2364
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:03,640
Speaker 3: up on all that nerd part of movie, like oh

2365
01:45:03,680 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 3: he looks like he looks good, you know.

2366
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:07,479
Speaker 4: But hopefully they can do that. Hopefully. That's one of

2367
01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:08,599
Speaker 4: the things that Bill did that we.

2368
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:11,760
Speaker 5: So so what we were talking about this upstairs with Tease.

2369
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:19,000
Speaker 5: Drake May wore ten in in college. Zero ten was

2370
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:23,600
Speaker 5: obviously he's not gonna wear twelve. So I you know

2371
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 5: what quarterback number I'm not.

2372
01:45:25,479 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 3: They'll tell you what. Taki Taki wearing sixteen tried me nuts.

2373
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 5: So that's why I'm worried about it.

2374
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 4: I mean it was sixteen last year.

2375
01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:33,040
Speaker 3: No, he's wearing it now like it just was on

2376
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:34,719
Speaker 3: like Instagram, he put it on it will.

2377
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:37,240
Speaker 2: Be the first one to write Jacoby Brissett went through

2378
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:39,240
Speaker 2: the drills first. Does that mean he's gonna start?

2379
01:45:39,479 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 5: I know, I know, I have some names for you.

2380
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:45,240
Speaker 3: Jalen Ragers. Jalen Raggers leading the wide receivers. He's shooting

2381
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:47,640
Speaker 3: up the depth chart. Oh my god, like.

2382
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:52,640
Speaker 5: Off Jayden Daniels is five. Was trying to think of

2383
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:54,720
Speaker 5: it off the top of my head. I think five

2384
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:57,080
Speaker 5: is taken right by your boybrill.

2385
01:45:57,320 --> 01:46:00,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I know.

2386
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:02,360
Speaker 3: It's I'm fine with I'm fine with ten. I think

2387
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:03,000
Speaker 3: it's a quarterback.

2388
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:04,040
Speaker 4: It's probably going to be ten.

2389
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:05,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like ten as well.

2390
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:06,559
Speaker 4: Like eleven.

2391
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:09,559
Speaker 3: I won't bum me mac mac did not ruin ten

2392
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:12,000
Speaker 3: for me. Like the litany of receivers who are failed

2393
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:15,160
Speaker 3: in seventeen have, which is what I.

2394
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:15,839
Speaker 5: If Xavierly get where seventeen?

2395
01:46:17,120 --> 01:46:18,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I think what's his face? Is going to

2396
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:20,439
Speaker 3: take it? Osborne? He was seventeen minutes.

2397
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:22,120
Speaker 5: Oh so that's fine. I just let him take it.

2398
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:25,960
Speaker 5: Bust there's a bust guy. Sorry, I would like Gonzales.

2399
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 5: I know a lot of people probably bought his jersey already,

2400
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:31,200
Speaker 5: so I'm sorry. But Zero. I know everybody likes zero.

2401
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:34,080
Speaker 5: I want him in twenty four, like getting you Oh

2402
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:36,919
Speaker 5: the zero no, No, twenty four is that's the Patriots

2403
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 5: cornerback number, ty Law, Durell Reeves, Stefan Gilmore.

2404
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:42,160
Speaker 9: Okay, but what if Stefan Gilmore comes back?

2405
01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:43,400
Speaker 7: Be open to it?

2406
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 5: Then that's a different story. Open to it. But I

2407
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:50,360
Speaker 5: want I want thy Law to hand Christian Gonzales twenty

2408
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:52,720
Speaker 5: four and be like it's yours now, kid. Well, there

2409
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:53,960
Speaker 5: you go with a bottle of fud.

2410
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:56,599
Speaker 9: If Stefan Gilmore comes back, he's gonna want twenty four.

2411
01:46:56,640 --> 01:46:57,760
Speaker 9: So gonza, who are zero?

2412
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:00,280
Speaker 4: I hate zero? Can I tell you?

2413
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:00,760
Speaker 7: I like six.

2414
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:04,320
Speaker 2: I think that decimal points should come into play.

2415
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:07,439
Speaker 3: Might get that, might open up about slash point two.

2416
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:09,720
Speaker 2: I don't know about symbols, but like you know.

2417
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 3: Just the period pie symbols.

2418
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, one and a hey.

2419
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:15,639
Speaker 4: He's three point one four.

2420
01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:17,639
Speaker 3: Drake is gonna wear the pound symbol.

2421
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:22,240
Speaker 9: I will say certain colleges they have like mascots, and

2422
01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:25,000
Speaker 9: they have like a normal sized mascot and then they'll

2423
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:27,120
Speaker 9: have a baby one and it'll be like half the

2424
01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 9: jersey will say like yeah, like like that, it's like

2425
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:33,719
Speaker 9: a little cub, so.

2426
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:34,400
Speaker 5: Cute, Like.

2427
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:41,640
Speaker 4: One of these days on the show, I'm going to

2428
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:44,639
Speaker 4: get this out nice, you.

2429
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:48,400
Speaker 2: Know, like guy goes by three quarters three quarters, Yeah.

2430
01:47:48,479 --> 01:47:51,080
Speaker 3: I mean, just you just need to identify him. At

2431
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 3: what point did they realize that guys didn't need to

2432
01:47:53,240 --> 01:47:55,639
Speaker 3: have the first like if they had the same last name,

2433
01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:57,439
Speaker 3: you didn't have to have the first initial because they're

2434
01:47:57,479 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 3: different numbers, Like you don't need to have like J.

2435
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:01,840
Speaker 3: Mccordy and D m accordy because they're thirty two.

2436
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 5: And the easier thing is is the you know, when

2437
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:07,120
Speaker 5: you watch them on the All twenty two, you got

2438
01:48:07,160 --> 01:48:09,559
Speaker 5: to look at like are they wearing long socks? Are

2439
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:11,679
Speaker 5: they wearing one sock is up, one sock is down,

2440
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 5: They're wearing like an armband. You're not looking at it,

2441
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:16,880
Speaker 5: because that's how you have to figure out like who's

2442
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 5: who's who sometimes from the bird's eye, because you can't.

2443
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:21,080
Speaker 3: See the numbers and the numbers on our shoulders well

2444
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:21,599
Speaker 3: and it's.

2445
01:48:21,439 --> 01:48:23,360
Speaker 5: Not clear enough. You know, you're so high at the

2446
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 5: angle is so.

2447
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:26,799
Speaker 2: What about like like triangles, trying circle.

2448
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:29,240
Speaker 3: I mean Prince went to a symbol. You know, you

2449
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:30,680
Speaker 3: could just make it up. Yeah, I just wish that

2450
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:33,920
Speaker 3: it was more like TV twelve is just TB twelve.

2451
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:35,040
Speaker 3: Now he's not at twelve these.

2452
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:38,200
Speaker 9: TV next thing, you know, the next thing, you know,

2453
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:40,600
Speaker 9: it's great radio. Next thing. You know, it's going to

2454
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:42,679
Speaker 9: be social media handles on the back of the jerseys.

2455
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:46,000
Speaker 2: Sure, oh yeah, that's right right there.

2456
01:48:46,280 --> 01:48:47,519
Speaker 3: Put their last names. They're going to put them.

2457
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:48,639
Speaker 7: I think you see.

2458
01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:51,120
Speaker 9: I think U c F did it for like nil purposes,

2459
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 9: like their guys wore social media handles.

2460
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:54,200
Speaker 5: Come back crazy.

2461
01:48:54,520 --> 01:48:56,519
Speaker 4: Oh that was a big thing in basketball coming out

2462
01:48:56,560 --> 01:49:12,640
Speaker 4: of the VID. Yeah, all the all the teams.

2463
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:08,160
Speaker 3: That I heard that on the radio too this morning.

2464
01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:10,040
Speaker 3: Someone called it the VID. We might have been listening

2465
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:10,479
Speaker 3: to it as.

2466
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:12,120
Speaker 4: Hard and I certainly didn't invent it.

2467
01:49:13,080 --> 01:49:16,840
Speaker 2: Patty's what's up? Patty going on?

2468
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:17,760
Speaker 10: Everyone?

2469
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:18,400
Speaker 3: He Patty.

2470
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:22,080
Speaker 10: Collin because I'm going to be on a plane Thursday.

2471
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:24,400
Speaker 10: I just I just wanted to express something that's been

2472
01:49:24,680 --> 01:49:28,640
Speaker 10: really bothering me lately, and that's I think there's a

2473
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:31,960
Speaker 10: lot of fans with unrealistic expectations that even if they

2474
01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 10: had knocked free agency out of the park, not number

2475
01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:38,759
Speaker 10: three like with either Daniels or May, that this team

2476
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:41,559
Speaker 10: was gonna just turn it around in one season, And

2477
01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:45,880
Speaker 10: I just I don't get it, Like, yeah, maybe I'm

2478
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:47,760
Speaker 10: not smoking the good stuff like a lot of these

2479
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:52,519
Speaker 10: other fans are smoking. But realistically, I mean, if you

2480
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:56,960
Speaker 10: look at Holprep, this offense was with talent, I don't

2481
01:49:57,000 --> 01:50:00,240
Speaker 10: know how anyone realistically and logically could think they were

2482
01:50:00,240 --> 01:50:01,519
Speaker 10: going to turn it around in one year.

2483
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:06,400
Speaker 2: This mean, well, I've heard I haven't heard a lot

2484
01:50:06,439 --> 01:50:09,680
Speaker 2: of people saying and I'm talking about fans and then

2485
01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:12,840
Speaker 2: people on Paul's shows, thanks for the call. But I

2486
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:14,880
Speaker 2: haven't heard a lot of people say I think they're

2487
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:17,120
Speaker 2: going to make the playoffs this year, because there's no

2488
01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:19,719
Speaker 2: basis in which to say that. There might be a few,

2489
01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:23,600
Speaker 2: but the vast majority of people are just looking for

2490
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:25,840
Speaker 2: signs of improvement and hopefully.

2491
01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:29,680
Speaker 4: I agree with you, Fred, but in that regard, like,

2492
01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:32,479
Speaker 4: I don't think that you have to be unrealistic and

2493
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:34,400
Speaker 4: think they're going to make the playoffs. Who have wanted

2494
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:37,200
Speaker 4: them to do more to improve the team, Like I

2495
01:50:37,240 --> 01:50:40,599
Speaker 4: think people are looking at it realistically and saying, Okay,

2496
01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:44,080
Speaker 4: maybe they won't be great this year, right, but you

2497
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:46,280
Speaker 4: get a couple of people that can help you, and

2498
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:48,000
Speaker 4: then you get a couple more people the next year,

2499
01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:50,439
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, you are great at some point,

2500
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:53,840
Speaker 4: Like you can't just go from we're bereft of talent

2501
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:56,320
Speaker 4: on offense, we don't add anybody on offense, and all

2502
01:50:56,360 --> 01:50:57,920
Speaker 4: of a sudden, two years we're going to be great.

2503
01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was two nights ago, maybe

2504
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:04,280
Speaker 2: Badard and Felger got into like a little debate on

2505
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:09,720
Speaker 2: the TV show, and I don't know the genesis of it.

2506
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:12,720
Speaker 2: I only caught some of it. Felger was basically his

2507
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:15,880
Speaker 2: side was why can't we be you know, why don't

2508
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:19,160
Speaker 2: you want them to win games now? And Badard was

2509
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:20,760
Speaker 2: more like, you know, be patient and all that.

2510
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:21,480
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2511
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 5: I just think it's how I feel.

2512
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:25,000
Speaker 3: I feel like, well, I think it's just a little

2513
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,679
Speaker 3: bit it's a little bit extreme, and it's I think

2514
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:30,840
Speaker 3: it's it's okay to be disappointed without saying that they

2515
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:33,400
Speaker 3: totally blew it. I think they're disappointed, probably that they

2516
01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:36,160
Speaker 3: weren't able to secure Calvin Ridley, so I can express

2517
01:51:36,200 --> 01:51:39,840
Speaker 3: disappointment and not feel like, well, just forget it then,

2518
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:40,160
Speaker 3: you know.

2519
01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:42,800
Speaker 4: And I've heard a lot of that, like why would

2520
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:45,000
Speaker 4: you want to spend money on players who aren't going

2521
01:51:45,080 --> 01:51:47,479
Speaker 4: to be here? A why would you want to spend more?

2522
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:47,920
Speaker 2: You know?

2523
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:50,760
Speaker 4: What good is he going to do? Like you're not

2524
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:52,439
Speaker 4: going to be good anyway? So does that mean we

2525
01:51:52,479 --> 01:51:56,439
Speaker 4: shouldn't try to prove our team? Like should Antonio playing

2526
01:51:56,760 --> 01:51:58,880
Speaker 4: this year because he'll be a better third down back

2527
01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:02,439
Speaker 4: than the they're down back that everybody's been saying that

2528
01:52:02,479 --> 01:52:05,320
Speaker 4: they didn't have last year? Like should he not try?

2529
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:09,120
Speaker 5: I just think that there's a middle ground. And I

2530
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:11,320
Speaker 5: think one of the concerns that I have is that

2531
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:14,840
Speaker 5: you do want jirod Mayo to have some success next

2532
01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:18,639
Speaker 5: year for his sake, for his sake, for the program's sake.

2533
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:20,080
Speaker 5: And I think one of the biggest thing that we

2534
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:23,879
Speaker 5: don't you know, I think some people think it's an excuse,

2535
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:26,200
Speaker 5: but the reality is that they weren't a draw for

2536
01:52:26,280 --> 01:52:29,080
Speaker 5: free agents. The only thing that was drawing free agents

2537
01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:31,720
Speaker 5: here was money, and when the money got silly on

2538
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:35,120
Speaker 5: certain guys, they bowed out of it. But the only

2539
01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:37,040
Speaker 5: thing that they could have done to draw Calvin Ridley

2540
01:52:37,080 --> 01:52:38,800
Speaker 5: to the New England Patriots was pay him a hundred

2541
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:42,760
Speaker 5: million dollars. That was it. And I think that you

2542
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:45,000
Speaker 5: have to have some things that you can sit here

2543
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:47,920
Speaker 5: and say in a year, we have Drake May, we

2544
01:52:47,960 --> 01:52:50,800
Speaker 5: have Christian Gonzalez, we have this, we have that, and

2545
01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:54,320
Speaker 5: we're building towards something here. Last year we overachieved maybe

2546
01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:56,160
Speaker 5: a little bit, and we won six or seven games

2547
01:52:56,200 --> 01:52:58,559
Speaker 5: like that. If you don't get to that point, then

2548
01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:02,840
Speaker 5: where's the momentum? And I worry that that they're going

2549
01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:03,759
Speaker 5: to be stuck.

2550
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:06,400
Speaker 2: They must do well in the draft.

2551
01:53:06,439 --> 01:53:09,479
Speaker 4: It's the it's I agree, but it's the argument that

2552
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:11,879
Speaker 4: like it's not gonna matter anyway that I don't understand.

2553
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:14,479
Speaker 4: And that's where I agree with Fellows, right, and I'm

2554
01:53:14,479 --> 01:53:17,280
Speaker 4: gonna watch good football, Like he said, Okay, so you're

2555
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:19,960
Speaker 4: going to draft a guy at number three as a quarterback,

2556
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:22,479
Speaker 4: but he's probably maybe you don't want him to play.

2557
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:25,400
Speaker 4: Can we get the best quarterback that we could possibly

2558
01:53:25,400 --> 01:53:27,439
Speaker 4: get to put us in position to win as many games?

2559
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:30,800
Speaker 4: Even though I understand that I'm drafting someone the third pick,

2560
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:33,160
Speaker 4: and when I'm good again, that third pick is going

2561
01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:35,559
Speaker 4: to be the guy that's going to court. Like, I

2562
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:38,160
Speaker 4: think that that's a rational idea. Now, if you think

2563
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:41,000
Speaker 4: Jacoby Brissett is better than every other guy, that's fine too.

2564
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:43,920
Speaker 4: That's your opinion, you know, But I don't think most

2565
01:53:43,960 --> 01:53:45,880
Speaker 4: people think that way. And I'm not saying that you do.

2566
01:53:46,360 --> 01:53:48,360
Speaker 4: That wasn't take.

2567
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:50,400
Speaker 5: Kobe over a lot of these guys. I mean, I

2568
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:53,960
Speaker 5: he would have time for another show? Is we're getting

2569
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:56,679
Speaker 5: up against it? But I have an example? Sure, give

2570
01:53:56,680 --> 01:54:00,920
Speaker 5: me one. Uh, I don't know. I mean, like I

2571
01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:03,840
Speaker 5: think him and Gardner Minshew to me are a wash.

2572
01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:07,479
Speaker 5: I would agree with that, and I I just I

2573
01:54:07,479 --> 01:54:11,679
Speaker 5: think that Brissett's a better fit for the things Fred said.

2574
01:54:12,040 --> 01:54:13,680
Speaker 5: So I just think there's a.

2575
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:15,320
Speaker 3: Line too though, of like how much you're gonna give

2576
01:54:15,360 --> 01:54:18,440
Speaker 3: this guy, like you know, you need to be fiscally responsible?

2577
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:20,320
Speaker 5: Like what was like what was the move?

2578
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:20,559
Speaker 7: Was it?

2579
01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:21,800
Speaker 5: Russell Wilson? Is that what?

2580
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:22,479
Speaker 7: Oh?

2581
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:26,080
Speaker 4: No, I was right? So what was I actually think

2582
01:54:26,120 --> 01:54:28,040
Speaker 4: Wilson's falling so far. I don't think there's much of

2583
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:29,599
Speaker 4: a difference between him and I mean neither.

2584
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:32,320
Speaker 5: So what's the different Like, what's the move that everybody

2585
01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:34,680
Speaker 5: like to make? The Oh, we could have taken this

2586
01:54:34,760 --> 01:54:37,400
Speaker 5: better quarterback, veteran quarterback, Like, who is it?

2587
01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:39,240
Speaker 4: I mean, you would have had to have been involved

2588
01:54:39,240 --> 01:54:41,160
Speaker 4: in the guys that we're going to cost you some money.

2589
01:54:41,240 --> 01:54:43,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we were talking about Baker Mayfield before

2590
01:54:43,560 --> 01:54:46,880
Speaker 2: he signed. But to me bringing Baker Mayfield, you're not

2591
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:48,560
Speaker 2: drafting a quarterback at three.

2592
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:52,880
Speaker 5: Right, but I would have Yeah, you're not paying one

2593
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:54,400
Speaker 5: hundred quarterback.

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Speaker 4: And then I'm trying to Yeah, I don't really care

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01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,240
Speaker 4: about the money, like it's just it's not mine. I

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01:54:59,280 --> 01:54:59,560
Speaker 4: get it.

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Speaker 2: No, if you were GM, you would care about.

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Speaker 4: But I would. I would want both, and I didn't

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Speaker 4: get both.

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Speaker 3: It's a tough conversation for Elliot Wolf to go to

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01:55:08,960 --> 01:55:10,600
Speaker 3: Robert Craft and say, we're gonna, yeah, I need a

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01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:13,080
Speaker 3: hundred million from Mayfield and we're gonna sign this guy

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Speaker 3: and we're gonna have to give him one hundred million

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Speaker 3: and three years.

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Speaker 2: By that time, Mayfield strong in five years. Eldred's in

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Speaker 2: North Carolina? What's up? Eldred?

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Speaker 18: Hey, Tomorrow fell, how y'all doing?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 18: Hey, I ain't got enough time, but Paul throwing Daggers

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Speaker 18: Towns back. But I can't do it today, Okay, I

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01:55:33,240 --> 01:55:41,040
Speaker 18: got a question next shows at me? Really yeah, No,

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Speaker 18: it's just all the fun, Paul, just all the fun.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean, I hope I hope you know

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Speaker 4: that because I don't throw it one of my favorites.

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01:55:48,040 --> 01:55:49,280
Speaker 5: I don't throw any daggers at you.

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Speaker 2: I think somebody might have said something about Panix.

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Speaker 4: Certainly wasn't me. I like Michael Pennick.

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Speaker 18: No, I wasn't that. It wasn't that. It was about

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Speaker 18: the quarterback, the best throws and all this and that. Yeah, whatever,

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Speaker 18: But okay, left tackle Josh Jones still idea for free

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Speaker 18: agent if I got any.

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Speaker 5: Interesting yeah, him, Charles Leno, if you want like the

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Speaker 5: veteran guy, h then there, you know, I don't know

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Speaker 5: William I mentioned Becton earlier as like the lottery ticket.

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Speaker 4: I'd be interested in Becton. He would intrigue me as

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01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:25,920
Speaker 4: a one year guy more than the other guys, you know,

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Speaker 4: DJ Humphrees twenty a c L.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I'm tempted with Leno to just say, you know, he

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Speaker 5: could be a serviceable left tackle for twenty twenty four

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Speaker 5: and when you draft a guy day two that you

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01:56:37,200 --> 01:56:39,840
Speaker 5: develop and all. But I agree that if you're trying

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Speaker 5: to go for upside. Then Becton is definitely that guy.

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Speaker 13: Beckham the guy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, well they got at Okay, last question, Uh, yes, sir.

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Speaker 18: Did you say Daniel's best throat.

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Speaker 5: Is the fade corner slot fade?

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Speaker 18: What's Drake Maye?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Good question. Probably I would say probably the post. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'd say probably the post.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, here it comes, all right, Well, oh that's he

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01:57:07,480 --> 01:57:08,360
Speaker 18: is wide over received.

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Speaker 5: He's well done. I fell for it.

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01:57:15,320 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 4: I must have the most unbelievable offense ever. Then, because

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01:57:18,040 --> 01:57:20,600
Speaker 4: all their guys were wide open, somehow we completed all

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Speaker 4: those passes.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's gonna be infelice edition of Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back on Thursday with another edition.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna drop Patriots Draft Countdown tomorrow in full

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Speaker 3: episode focusing on the offensive line.

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Speaker 2: Okay, looking forward to that.

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