WEBVTT - CZM Rewind: Title 42, Pt 4: The Border Patrol

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<v Speaker 1>The history of the border and its enforcement begins in

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen ninety two with the colonization of what would become

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Americas. It goes through the eighteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>two Mexican American War and a curl of indigenous people's

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<v Speaker 1>lands without their knowledge or consent in the eighteen fifty

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<v Speaker 1>three Gasden Purchase, and of course, through the eighteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>two Chinese Exclusion Act and numerous other explicit attempts to

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<v Speaker 1>prevent non white people from moving to the USA. From there,

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<v Speaker 1>it weaves its way through the Mexican Revolution and the

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<v Speaker 1>First World Wars GEMA proposal to ally with Mexico to

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<v Speaker 1>reclaim those territories it had lost in the decades before then.

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<v Speaker 1>The Border patrol story itself begins in May nineteen twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the ninety nine years since it has encompassed

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<v Speaker 1>everything from David Duke to nine to eleven in its

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<v Speaker 1>journey to becoming the biggest and least accountable law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>agency in the federal government. People from the colonial periphery

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<v Speaker 1>have always migrated to the metropol. It's why a man

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<v Speaker 1>called Fat LEDs singing a song about vinderlou Is basically

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<v Speaker 1>in my country second national anthem, and why every four

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<v Speaker 1>years France accepts black Frenchmen onto its football team before

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<v Speaker 1>it returns to vilifying them in other forms of discourse.

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<v Speaker 1>Migration to the United States is no different. Climate change

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<v Speaker 1>in US imperiodism have destabilized and impoverished nations from the

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<v Speaker 1>Americas to Afghanistan and driven people to the US border

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<v Speaker 1>looking for a better life. What's distinct about the US

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<v Speaker 1>is how obsessed it has become with keeping these people

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<v Speaker 1>out and enforcing the longest land borders in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>But the US border is much bigger than the land

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<v Speaker 1>boundary between the USA and Mexico to the south and

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<v Speaker 1>Canada to the north. If you're listening to this in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, the chances are that you live in

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<v Speaker 1>the Border Enforcement Zone. This swath of territory outside the

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<v Speaker 1>constitution has been established since the Immigration and Nationality Act

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen fifty two. Established at a reasonable distance of

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<v Speaker 1>the border would extend one hundred air miles around the

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<v Speaker 1>outline of the country. Two thirds of the US's population

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<v Speaker 1>live within this zone. Washington, d C. San Francisco, Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans, and Boston are all within it, and that

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<v Speaker 1>means that CBP agents can search vehicles and vessels to

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<v Speaker 1>look for property that's in the country without the right documents.

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<v Speaker 1>They can board public transportation or set up interior checkpoints

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<v Speaker 1>and stop, interrogate, and search citizens and non citizens without

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<v Speaker 1>the need for a warrant. Within twenty five miles of

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<v Speaker 1>the border, they can enter your property provide it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a domicile. The Fourth Amendment, part of a foundational bill

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<v Speaker 1>of rights at US likes to tout as what makes

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<v Speaker 1>it different from the rest of the world, doesn't apply

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<v Speaker 1>when you're near the border, and all encompassing history of

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<v Speaker 1>the border and its enforcement is beyond the scope of

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast. Even a history of the Southwest border could

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<v Speaker 1>take up a whole bookshelf, but we will try and

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<v Speaker 1>skim the high points here. Let's start with a Gadsden purchase,

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<v Speaker 1>when a party of military surveyors first bumped into to

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<v Speaker 1>Horn art and elders as they attempted to draw a

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<v Speaker 1>line dividing to Horn autumn people from to Horn Autumn people.

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<v Speaker 1>The southern border is no more obvious today than it

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<v Speaker 1>was then, and of course to the Autumn it was

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<v Speaker 1>and remains, and aberrations that divides them from much of

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<v Speaker 1>their ancestral and current homelands. It has over the years

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<v Speaker 1>seen violent enforcement on members of the nation and a

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<v Speaker 1>growing encroachment of the border patrol into today's to Horn

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<v Speaker 1>Autumn Reservation, which is the second largest in the USA.

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<v Speaker 1>It only represents a fraction of the tribe's historical homeland.

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<v Speaker 1>These surveyors were in the process of finalizing most of

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<v Speaker 1>the California and Arizona border, a border I drove most

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<v Speaker 1>of in the days after Title forty two. The southern

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<v Speaker 1>border as it looks now, was largely shaped by the

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<v Speaker 1>Treaty of Guadalupihidalgo, which Mexico lost fifty five percent of

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<v Speaker 1>its territory, including all of what is today California, Arizona,

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<v Speaker 1>New Mexico, Utah, and Nevada, and parts of what is

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<v Speaker 1>today Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas, and Oklahoma. The Gaston Purchase of

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen fifty three added more of southern Arizona. In New Mexico,

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<v Speaker 1>the specific border in Santa Cidro withdrawn so that San

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<v Speaker 1>Diego Bay would fall to north of the line. The

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<v Speaker 1>border in Cucumber seems more arbitrary, a straight line in

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<v Speaker 1>the desert that runs into a pile of rocks. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>long before the border divided San Asidra fifty one, this

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<v Speaker 1>was Kumia land, and despite the border, it still is.

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<v Speaker 1>The name Tijuana derives from Tijuan, which means by the

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<v Speaker 1>sea in Kumia. Despite this, the Kumii and many other

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous peoples were ignored when the border crossed them, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's becoming harder and harder for them to cross it.

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<v Speaker 1>In parts of desert, it can be pretty hard to

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<v Speaker 1>see the border at all. In twenty twenty, while out

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<v Speaker 1>with a group of Kumii people who were in ceremony

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<v Speaker 1>to honor their ancestors whose burial sites have been and

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<v Speaker 1>continue to be desecrated by border war construction, I had

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<v Speaker 1>to be worried of stepping over it to better frame

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<v Speaker 1>my shots. The emerging declaration Donald Trump made allowed war

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<v Speaker 1>construction to sidestep legislation in place to protect archaeological and

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<v Speaker 1>sacred sites, but it didn't allow me to sidestep into

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico to get a better shot. Luckily, Bortac, a team

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<v Speaker 1>of armed Border patrol agents who you might remember from

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<v Speaker 1>Portland in twenty twenty, provided a guy addressed like he

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<v Speaker 1>was in the Battle of Fallujah. To help me, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say the border is a line in the sand,

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<v Speaker 1>But at the time there wasn't a line that was

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<v Speaker 1>visible at all. The moon a few miles east to

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<v Speaker 1>where that Bortac patrol guard shouted at people stepping too

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<v Speaker 1>close in twenty twenty. The border wall is about waist high, rusty,

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<v Speaker 1>and essentially comprised of a single strand of barbed wire.

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<v Speaker 1>In Hoocumber, the thirty foot trump wall pushes right up

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<v Speaker 1>to a boulder pile and then stops the logic as

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<v Speaker 1>much as there can be any logic, and spending twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five million dollars a mile to desecrate sacred spaces and

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<v Speaker 1>defile the landscape, is that people will be deterred from

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<v Speaker 1>crossing by the harsh landscape brutally hot days and brutally

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<v Speaker 1>cold nights. This logic, of course, fails to consider not

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<v Speaker 1>just where people are going, why they're leaving the places

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<v Speaker 1>they've come from, risking one's life crossing the border makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense only when one considers the danger that many people

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<v Speaker 1>in places around the world face every day. It hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>always been this way. Fear reference here in Reagan and

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<v Speaker 1>Bush talking about migration in nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Ask you what you would do about Cuba.

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<v Speaker 4>But now I can hold you.

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<v Speaker 5>Now we're going to have some questions from the audience.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, my name's David Grosberg, and I'd like to know

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<v Speaker 3>do you think the children of illegal aliens should be

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<v Speaker 3>allowed to attend Texas public schools free? Or do you

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<v Speaker 3>think that their parents should pay for their education?

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<v Speaker 6>Who are addressing that?

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<v Speaker 7>To think?

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<v Speaker 8>He was looking right at you, I said he was love.

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<v Speaker 6>I'd like to see something done about the illegal alien

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<v Speaker 6>problem that would be so sensitive and so understanding about

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<v Speaker 6>labor needs and human needs that.

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<v Speaker 9>That problem wouldn't come up.

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<v Speaker 10>But today, if.

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<v Speaker 6>Those people are here, I would reluctantly say I think

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<v Speaker 6>they would get whatever it is that they're you know,

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<v Speaker 6>what the society.

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<v Speaker 10>Is giving to their neighbors.

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<v Speaker 6>But it has the problem has to be solved. The

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<v Speaker 6>problem has to be solved because as we have kind

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<v Speaker 6>of made illegal some kinds of labor that I'd like

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<v Speaker 6>to see legal, we're doing two things. We're creating a

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<v Speaker 6>whole society of really honorable, decent, family loving people that

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<v Speaker 6>are in violation of the law. And secondly, we're exacerbating

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<v Speaker 6>relations with Mexico. The answer to your question is much

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<v Speaker 6>more fundamental than whether they attend Houston schools. It seems

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<v Speaker 6>to me, I don't want to see a whole if

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<v Speaker 6>they're living here, I don't want to see a whole.

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<v Speaker 7>I think a.

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<v Speaker 6>Six and eight year old kids being made, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>one totally uneducated and made to feel that they're living

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<v Speaker 6>with outside the law. Let's address ourselves to the fundamentals.

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<v Speaker 10>These are good.

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<v Speaker 6>People, strong people.

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<v Speaker 10>Part of my family is in Mexican.

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<v Speaker 5>Then I added that I think the time has come

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<v Speaker 5>that the United States and our neighbors, particularly our neighbor

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<v Speaker 5>to the south, should have a better understanding and a

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<v Speaker 5>better relationship than we've ever had. And I think but

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<v Speaker 5>we haven't been sensitive enough to our size and our power.

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<v Speaker 5>They have a problem of forty to fifty percent unemployment.

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<v Speaker 5>Now this cannot continue without the possibility arising with regard

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<v Speaker 5>to that other country that we talked about off Cuba

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<v Speaker 5>and what it is stirring up of the possibility of

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<v Speaker 5>trouble below the border, and we could have a very

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<v Speaker 5>hostile and strange neighbor on our border, rather than making

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<v Speaker 5>them or talking about putting up a fence why don't

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<v Speaker 5>we work out some recognition of our mutual problems make

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<v Speaker 5>it possible for them to come here legally with a

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<v Speaker 5>work permit, and then while they're working and earning here,

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<v Speaker 5>they pay taxes here, and when they go on to

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<v Speaker 5>go back, they can go back, and they can cross

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<v Speaker 5>and open the border both ways. By understanding their problem.

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<v Speaker 1>The mutineer of border enforcement began. As far as we

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<v Speaker 1>can pinpoint a single date with Silvestre Reyes, that then

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<v Speaker 1>sector chief of the Border Patrol in McAllen, Texas, and

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<v Speaker 1>his operation Hold the line the community around McAllen, who

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<v Speaker 1>got tired of border patrol snooping around businesses and even

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<v Speaker 1>schools in a Rio Grand Valley. Instead, Rays deployed his

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<v Speaker 1>agents forward in a sort of human fence along the

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<v Speaker 1>Rio Grand. Rays would later become the chief of the

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<v Speaker 1>OPASA sector and a Democratic Congressman. He lost his seat

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<v Speaker 1>to be to a ROK in twenty thirteen, but this

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<v Speaker 1>strategy would long outlive his career with border patrol. The

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<v Speaker 1>following year, on September seventeenth, nineteen ninety four, US Attorney

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<v Speaker 1>General Janet Reno announced the start of Operation Gatekeeper. The

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<v Speaker 1>first phase of the Operation Focus on the first five

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<v Speaker 1>miles of the western border, including the place where I

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<v Speaker 1>recorded all those interviews you heard earlier this week. According

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<v Speaker 1>to a piece written a quarter of a century later

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<v Speaker 1>in the La Times, the strategy was to deter migrants

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<v Speaker 1>from illegally crossing in the first place, and for those

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<v Speaker 1>who remained undeterred, to encourage him to cross in more

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<v Speaker 1>isolated wilderness areas to the east, where they could be

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<v Speaker 1>more easily captured. There were already fences in nineteen ninety four,

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<v Speaker 1>first a chain link fence and then one made of

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<v Speaker 1>helicopter landing mats left over from Vietnam that had horizontal

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<v Speaker 1>struts that closely resembled and were used as a ladder.

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<v Speaker 1>Anti migrant rhetoric was already there too. California Governor Pete

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson became an outspoken advocate for Prop One eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>measure that cut off state services like healthcare and education

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<v Speaker 1>to undocumented people. Here's a clip of Wilson's re election ad.

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<v Speaker 4>They keep coming two million illegal immigrants in California. The

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<v Speaker 4>federal government won't stop them at the border, yet requires

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<v Speaker 4>us to pay billions to take care of them. Governor

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<v Speaker 4>Pete Wilson sent the National Guard to help the border patrol.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's not all.

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<v Speaker 11>For Californias who work hard, pay taxes and obey the laws.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm suing to force the federal government to control the border,

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<v Speaker 11>and I'm working to deny state services to illegal emigrants.

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<v Speaker 4>Enough is enough, Governor Pete Wilson.

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<v Speaker 1>Under the operation, a much higher number of agents were

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<v Speaker 1>deployed to the border. Apprehensions increase, and with them, so

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<v Speaker 1>did funding for border enforcement. It was around this time

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<v Speaker 1>that the narrative around the border began to change. It

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<v Speaker 1>was also around this time, a few months earlier in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>that the US, Mexico, and Canada entered into the North

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<v Speaker 1>American Free Trade Agreement, which made it easier than ever

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<v Speaker 1>for capital to move across border and take advantage of

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<v Speaker 1>low wages in Mexico. To learn a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>about Operation Gatekeeper, I spoke to one of the agents

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<v Speaker 1>who was tasked with execution gear.

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<v Speaker 7>My name is Jen Budd and I'm a former senior

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<v Speaker 7>Patrol agent with the United States Boarder Patrol. I was

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<v Speaker 7>a senior intelligence agent as well as San Diego Sector Headquarters.

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<v Speaker 1>Jennison's left the Border Patrol, but she realizes the impact

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<v Speaker 1>of Operation Gatekeeper on migrants was anything but positive.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Operation Gatekeeper started in nineteen ninety four, in October of

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<v Speaker 7>nineteen ninety four, and I got to Campo in November

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<v Speaker 7>of nineteen ninety five, and so right afterwards in the

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<v Speaker 7>fence was just getting to pick that day when I

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<v Speaker 7>got there. So most of my class, I think we

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<v Speaker 7>had I don't know, forty people graduated or something. Most

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<v Speaker 7>of them went down to Imperial Beach and they had

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<v Speaker 7>a wall there there, and so that was the idea,

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<v Speaker 7>is to fill the San Diego City area with as

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<v Speaker 7>many agents and weapons and all this, and then that

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<v Speaker 7>would push the traffic for their up to the mountains,

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<v Speaker 7>making it more difficult for them to cross, and some

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<v Speaker 7>of them get injured, and we knew some of them

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<v Speaker 7>would die. So it was intentional. The death and the injuries,

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<v Speaker 7>according to management, would deter future crosses. But of course

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<v Speaker 7>that that's not the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Alan Berson, US attorney in San Diego, was named the

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<v Speaker 1>so called Borders Are by President Bill Clinton a few

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<v Speaker 1>years later to implement that same Gatekeeper strategy across the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the Southwest.

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<v Speaker 7>Border.

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<v Speaker 1>Burst in saw things a little differently.

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<v Speaker 12>Neither side claims it, but Gatekeeper was probably the most

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<v Speaker 12>important domestic achievement accomplished in a purely bipartisan manner through

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<v Speaker 12>three administrations, and the greatest accomplishment since President Eisenhower and

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<v Speaker 12>the Democrats put together the state highway system in the

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<v Speaker 12>mid nineteen fifties.

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<v Speaker 1>But in fact, while apprehensions did drop in San Diego,

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<v Speaker 1>they spiked by five hundred and ninety one percent in

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<v Speaker 1>the Tucson sector between nineteen ninety two and two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and four. The La Times quotes the non partisan Congressional

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<v Speaker 1>Research Service as saying, one unintended consequence of this enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>posture and the shift in migration patterns has been an

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<v Speaker 1>increase in the number of migrant deaths each year. On average,

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred migrants died each year in the early nineteen nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>compared with four hundred and seventy two migrant deaths in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and five. Many of those deaths are now

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<v Speaker 1>in a sector that encomasses the Autumn Reservation. The desert

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<v Speaker 1>there is particularly hard to cross, and the enforcement that

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<v Speaker 1>began with Operation Gatekeeper pushes more and more people onto

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<v Speaker 1>the reservation Dahna. Autumn people used to travel between the

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<v Speaker 1>United States and Mexico fairly easily a roads without checkpoints

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<v Speaker 1>to visit family, go to school, visit a doctor, or

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<v Speaker 1>perform their traditional ceremonial practices. But after nine to eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States and its Border Patrol began a more

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<v Speaker 1>visible and violent occupation of the reservation. It started with

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<v Speaker 1>a vehicle barrier in two thousand and seven, and it

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<v Speaker 1>continued with CBP's quote unquote virtual wall of surveillance technology,

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<v Speaker 1>cameras and drones. The Israeli company Elbit Systems has built

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<v Speaker 1>fixed surveillance towers which they pioneered in the West Bank

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<v Speaker 1>on tribal land with the permission of tribal council. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>other members of the nation strongly oppose the militarization of

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<v Speaker 1>their homeland in the name of security of whatever homeland

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Homeland Security is securing. I'll quote here

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<v Speaker 1>from Todd Miller, whose excellent work on the border has

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<v Speaker 1>required reading for anyone interested in the subject. Amy Juan

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<v Speaker 1>and Nellie Joe David, members of the Horn Autumn her

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<v Speaker 1>Magicum Writes Network. Tohrn joined a delegation to the West

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<v Speaker 1>Bank in October twenty seventeen, convened by the Palestinian organization

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<v Speaker 1>Stop the War. It was a relief, one says, to

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<v Speaker 1>talk with people who understand our fears, who are dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with militarization and technology. In twenty seventeen, to Horn Autumn

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<v Speaker 1>vice chairman Verlin Hoose said that a war will be

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<v Speaker 1>built quote over my dead body, and the tribe released

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<v Speaker 1>a video saying there is no Autumn word for war.

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<v Speaker 1>The sixty two miles of the border on their reservation

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<v Speaker 1>would remain without one, they said. By twenty twenty, the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump administration had fought through a wall or much of

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<v Speaker 1>the border using what is known as the Roosevelt Reservation.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a sixty foot wide strip of land that

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government owns along the border in California, Arizona,

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<v Speaker 1>and New Mexico. Although much of the Autumn Nation remains

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<v Speaker 1>war free and somehows what's called a vehicle barrier or

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<v Speaker 1>a normandy barrier, approximately one third of the Roosevelt Reservation

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<v Speaker 1>is on tribal land. Since two thousand and five, realized

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<v Speaker 1>the Act, environmental surveys and laws have been waived for

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<v Speaker 1>border security, and this gave the Trump administration a way

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<v Speaker 1>to justify the destruction of Autumn and Kumi burial grounds,

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<v Speaker 1>sawad or cacti that the Autumn seas relatives, and other

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<v Speaker 1>sacred sites along the border. Despite efforts by tribal members

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<v Speaker 1>and allies to stop the construction, members of the Tahanna

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<v Speaker 1>Autumn Nation have been pepper sprayed, beaten, tailed, and shot

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<v Speaker 1>by Border patrol. In two thousand and two, a Border

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<v Speaker 1>Patrol agent ran over and killed an Arthamn teenager. Last week,

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<v Speaker 1>the same night I was waiting down by the border

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<v Speaker 1>for the end of Title forty two, Border patrol agents

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<v Speaker 1>shot and killed Raymond Mattia, an odd man who had

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<v Speaker 1>called and asked him for help. He was shot thirty

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<v Speaker 1>eight times just two feet from his front door, recording

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<v Speaker 1>to his family Well, mister Mattia's death is still being investigated.

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<v Speaker 1>The Border Patrol has a long tradition of literally getting

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<v Speaker 1>away with murder. This is because they investigate themselves using

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<v Speaker 1>so called critical incident teams. I talked to Jen about

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<v Speaker 1>what those teams do, and so.

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<v Speaker 7>What they would do is they would get there first

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<v Speaker 7>on the scene because we would call them first. We

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<v Speaker 7>wouldn't call anybody else. We'd call them first, and then

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<v Speaker 7>they come. They get rid of the witnesses. They set

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<v Speaker 7>the scene up the way we want to be done,

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<v Speaker 7>and they tell you the narrative that you're going to

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<v Speaker 7>stick with. You talk to your union reps, and it's

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<v Speaker 7>all this giant cover up.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's John Carlos Free, a journalist who covered CIIT cover ups,

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<v Speaker 1>talking to Democracy Now about how these teams work.

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<v Speaker 13>Within the victual agency of the US Border Patrol, there

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<v Speaker 13>is an investigated body called SIT, the Critical Incident Team.

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<v Speaker 13>They are tasked with investigating incidents that involve Border Patrol

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<v Speaker 13>and it can be anything from a car accident to

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<v Speaker 13>in this case, an individual who's killed at the hands

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<v Speaker 13>of the US Border Patrol. In this particular case of

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<v Speaker 13>Anastasio Hernandez Rojas, border Patrol agents deleted video, they collected

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<v Speaker 13>evidence at the scene. They were present in the hospital

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<v Speaker 13>when Anastasio was being treated, They were present at the autopsy.

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<v Speaker 13>They fudged reports, they deleted reports, They coached their own

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<v Speaker 13>agents on what kind of testimony they were to give.

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<v Speaker 13>They were present at every one of the depositions. They

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<v Speaker 13>made sure that they were the victims in this case.

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<v Speaker 13>And when I say that, what I mean is that

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<v Speaker 13>Border Patrol agents SIT team agents make sure that Border

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<v Speaker 13>Patrol agents are looked at as the victims in any

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<v Speaker 13>sort of an incident, meaning that they are allowed then

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<v Speaker 13>to use lethal force if a Border Patrol agent has

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<v Speaker 13>rocks thrown at them or in the case of Anastasio,

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<v Speaker 13>they alleged that Anastasio was violent and that he was

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<v Speaker 13>kicking and punching and he needed to be subdued. If

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<v Speaker 13>we take a look at the videotape, that's not actually

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<v Speaker 13>what happened. He's handcuffed, he's prone on the ground, his

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<v Speaker 13>faces down, agents are on top of him. But if

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<v Speaker 13>you read the reports in this case that were prepared

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<v Speaker 13>by sid Anastasio was a violent man and needed to

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<v Speaker 13>be subdued.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty one, Border Patrol was ordered to disband

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<v Speaker 1>these teams, but Jen says they simply moved them somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>else and gave them a different name.

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<v Speaker 7>So then they said that they disbanded them because we

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<v Speaker 7>brought the truth out and how they did all this

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<v Speaker 7>and we proved it. But what they actually did is

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<v Speaker 7>they did a retention. So they had the Border Patrol

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<v Speaker 7>agents resigned from the Border Patrol and move over to

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<v Speaker 7>cbp OPR and we hired them under there so the

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<v Speaker 7>team that likely went to go investigate the tahonum Otem killing.

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<v Speaker 7>I believe his name is Matia, Martia Raymond Matia is

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<v Speaker 7>likely the Border Patrol fit teams. So if the Border

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<v Speaker 7>Patrol agents, a lot of people don't understand, it's like

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<v Speaker 7>a coult you know. They always say you blee green,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, and you don't go back hung green, and

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<v Speaker 7>probably one of the few that ever left, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>and tells the truth about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Course, the vast majority of people whose families will

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<v Speaker 1>never find justice because of these cit teams are not white,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course Border Patrol has long rooted links to

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<v Speaker 1>white nationalism. In nineteen seventy seven, about forty five minutes

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<v Speaker 1>from San Diego and another forty five minutes from Komba,

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<v Speaker 1>David Duke, grand Dragon of the Knights of the klu

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<v Speaker 1>Klux Klan at the time, announced the official beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>Clan Border Watch. Do you claim there were hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>Klansmen on the border, but local newspapers The Desert Sun

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<v Speaker 1>reported that there were in reality at least ten are

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<v Speaker 1>quote directly from the Desert Suns reporting at a time here,

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<v Speaker 1>Duke said clans On would refrain from direct contact with

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<v Speaker 1>it eagle aliens if any had found, He said. Klansmen

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<v Speaker 1>would not talk to them or contact them, but if

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<v Speaker 1>any illegal crossings a scene, they're going to use CBE

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<v Speaker 1>radios to relate the information to border patrol, Duke said.

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<v Speaker 1>Duke of Metairie, Louisiana, claimed the clan has the support

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<v Speaker 1>of the American people in helping the border patrol stem

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<v Speaker 1>the influx of illegal aliens into this country. He claimed,

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<v Speaker 1>the illegal aliens take jobs away from US citizens. We

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<v Speaker 1>feel this rising tide washing over our border is going

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<v Speaker 1>to affect our culture, he told reporters at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>in a statement that wouldn't sound out of place on

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<v Speaker 1>Fox News today. In response, more than one thousand, five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred brown Berries threatened to rally against Duke and protest

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<v Speaker 1>far out numbering his patrols popped up along the border.

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<v Speaker 1>In the late nineteen seventies and early nineteen eighties, Texas

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<v Speaker 1>Knights of the KKK leader Louis Beam, a Vietnam War

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<v Speaker 1>veteran who had helped to organize and promote Duke's border stunt,

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<v Speaker 1>established paramilitary camps around Texas and train children as young

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<v Speaker 1>as eight in the deadly guerrilla warfare tactics he learned overseas.

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<v Speaker 1>He rallied white fishermen against Vietnamese migrants and burned their boats.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty nineteen, a Border patrol agent from Logales named

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew Bowen was accused of knocking down a Guatemala maunt

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<v Speaker 1>with his vehicle, then lying to a quart about the incident.

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<v Speaker 1>The prosecutors in the case showed the jury text Bowen sent,

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<v Speaker 1>including one which called migrants quote disgusting, sub human shit,

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<v Speaker 1>unworthy of being kindling for a fire. In several text messages,

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<v Speaker 1>Bowen references quote tonks. This is a derogatory term for

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<v Speaker 1>border crossing migrants. The origin to determine a little bit unclear,

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<v Speaker 1>but it seems to be derived from the sound of

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<v Speaker 1>a flashlight hitting the back of someone's head. In argument

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<v Speaker 1>against submitting the texts, defense lawyer Sean Chapman wrote that

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<v Speaker 1>he would argue certain terms are quote commonplace throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>border patrols. To some sector, this is part of the

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<v Speaker 1>agency's culture, and therefore it says nothing about mister Bowen's mindset. Genses'

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<v Speaker 1>kind of language and attitude was not uncommon in her

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<v Speaker 1>time in border patrol. From the mid nineties to the

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<v Speaker 1>early two thousands, but things have got worse since.

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<v Speaker 7>There have been some definite changes in the border patrol,

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<v Speaker 7>in the training from before nine to eleven to after

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<v Speaker 7>nine to eleven, and what you also see, so their

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<v Speaker 7>vocabulary has changed, so like they refer to migrants and

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<v Speaker 7>asylum secrecs invaders. We never use that term prior to

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<v Speaker 7>nine to eleven, and we did have racist words that

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<v Speaker 7>were used for them, and I use them as well

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<v Speaker 7>on not denying there.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, this kind of language isn't just restricted to

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<v Speaker 1>border patrol.

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<v Speaker 3>The US has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems.

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<v Speaker 3>I care, it's true, and these are the best and

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<v Speaker 3>the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending

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<v Speaker 3>their best. They're not sending you.

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<v Speaker 9>They're not sending you.

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<v Speaker 3>They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're

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<v Speaker 3>bringing those problems with those. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime,

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<v Speaker 3>they're rapists, and some are assumer good people.

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<v Speaker 1>There has been white supremacist violence at the border ever

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<v Speaker 1>since Duke and long before. Often it's been at the

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<v Speaker 1>hands of groups outside of the state. Sometimes it's been

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<v Speaker 1>in the hands of the state in Arizona, groups like

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona Border Ricon and Minute Men American Defense have terrorized

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<v Speaker 1>border communities for decades, engage renewed momentum from Trump's consistent

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<v Speaker 1>demonization of migrants. I spent a bit of time looking

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<v Speaker 1>for them and the desert in Arizona last week, but

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see much, not that I really wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>Interaction with these militias, probably far more off and than

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<v Speaker 1>we have documented evidence for, can be fatal, just like

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<v Speaker 1>interaction with customs and border protection. Here's just one example,

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<v Speaker 1>called from David Newitt's excellent book, and hell followed with her.

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<v Speaker 1>On May thirtieth, two thousand and nine, Seana Ford, Jason

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<v Speaker 1>Eugene Bush, and Albert Gacxiola, all members of Ford's Vigilante group.

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<v Speaker 1>Men at Man American Defense, forced their way into Raoul

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<v Speaker 1>Flores Junior's home in Araavika, Arizona, by pretending to be

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<v Speaker 1>border patrol agents. The group planned to steal and sell

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<v Speaker 1>drugs they thought Flores had.

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<v Speaker 10>In his house.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI knew about this, but did nothing to stop them.

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<v Speaker 1>Finding no drugs in the house, c Vigilante's murdered Flores

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<v Speaker 1>and his nine year old daughter. Briisnia Flora's wife and

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<v Speaker 1>Blissenia's mother, Gina Marie Gonzalez, was shot three times. She

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<v Speaker 1>played dead, but when attackers returned, she exchanged fire with them,

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<v Speaker 1>using her husband's handgun. In doing so, she hit Bush.

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<v Speaker 1>Bush had proviously been charged with a September nineteen twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven execution of an Aryan Nation associate for the supposed

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<v Speaker 1>crime of being a race traitor. Both Ford and Bush

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<v Speaker 1>are currently on death row in Arizona. The KKK was

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<v Speaker 1>not the only group recruiting children for border patrolling. Since

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<v Speaker 1>the mid nineteen eighties, the Border Patrol's Explorer Program has

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<v Speaker 1>recruited young men and women of high school age. The

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<v Speaker 1>program is charted through Learning for Life, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>subsidiary of the Scouts of America. For kids, often the

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<v Speaker 1>children of immigrants living in border towns where industry has

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<v Speaker 1>long since gone in a decent wage is hard to

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<v Speaker 1>come by, the program offers the chance at a starting

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<v Speaker 1>salary of sixty two thousand dollars, twice a median income

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<v Speaker 1>in some of these towns. Young explorers will learn tracking, survival, shooting,

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<v Speaker 1>and how to detain and process on documented migrants, people

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<v Speaker 1>who in some cases are walking in the footsteps of

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<v Speaker 1>their own parents. According to an article by Moraling Music

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<v Speaker 1>in the Nation, young Explorers have to earn the right

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<v Speaker 1>to their uniform by participating in their sixty hour Basic

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<v Speaker 1>ex Explorer Academy, of which they learned CPR drills and

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<v Speaker 1>the methods of conducting vehicle stops. It also offers courses

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<v Speaker 1>in radio communications, public speaking, report writing, and ethics and integrity,

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<v Speaker 1>and introduces the youth to criminal juvenile immigration of Fourth

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<v Speaker 1>Amendment law. While I was writing so checked out the

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<v Speaker 1>San Diego sector page, which seems to show young people running, shooting,

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<v Speaker 1>and one who looks like he's just been mased in

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<v Speaker 1>the face. The next photo on the Facebook page dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>to this Border Patrol sector shows a man in handcuffs.

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<v Speaker 1>Above this is a video of someone dropping a chilt

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<v Speaker 1>from the top of the border fence. Without figures from

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<v Speaker 1>the CVP, it's hard to tell if participation in the

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<v Speaker 1>Explorers has dropped as public awareness of family separation assault

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<v Speaker 1>anw the behavior doesn't exactly fit with the Border Patrol's

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<v Speaker 1>motto on a first has spread. I asked Jen for

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<v Speaker 1>her take on the Explorer program.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I call it Border patrol youth because it reminds

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<v Speaker 7>me a lot of the hipper youth, where we go

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<v Speaker 7>into the high schools and we get the kids that

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<v Speaker 7>are in trouble, and typically they are Latino dominant high schools,

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<v Speaker 7>and we teach them how to be many Border patrol agents,

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<v Speaker 7>and we teach them to hate somebody else instead of themselves.

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<v Speaker 7>So we indoctrinate them into the same stuff that I

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<v Speaker 7>was indoctrinating in too. But it's even gone so far

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:15.879
<v Speaker 7>and now as to they do the dog and pony

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<v Speaker 7>shows at the elementary school, so they're getting them when

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<v Speaker 7>they're like six seven years old, and they go there

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<v Speaker 7>with you a little Border Patrol bulletproofess and put them

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<v Speaker 7>on them and take pictures and put it on social media,

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<v Speaker 7>and they have them sit in their trucks and turn

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<v Speaker 7>the signs on and all this other stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That indoctrination is crucial to border patrol culture. And to

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, the reason I wanted to talk to Jen

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<v Speaker 1>was to understand it better. In Occomber, I see a

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<v Speaker 1>young Border patrol agent, a woman giving volunteers rights. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not about to get into a Border Patrol truck. Myself,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wasn't going to get a responsive by asked

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<v Speaker 1>the agent how she squared up her role in holding

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 1>people in the desert with the fact that some volunteers

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:56.960
<v Speaker 1>said she'd spend her own money buying supplies. Jen said

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<v Speaker 1>that this kind of behavior can be pretty common with

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<v Speaker 1>young agents.

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<v Speaker 7>I intended to go to law school to be a

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<v Speaker 7>civil rights attorney when I joined the Border Patrol, and

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 7>for me, I ignored my core values and ignored that I

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<v Speaker 7>was enforcing laws that sent thousands of human beings to

0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 7>their deaths because I felt like I was trying to survive.

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 7>I was raped in the academy by a fellow agent,

0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:25.200
<v Speaker 7>and they covered that up, and I was really trying

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<v Speaker 7>to get out of the South and start my life.

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<v Speaker 7>I oftould say, like, especially with female agents, they calls

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<v Speaker 7>it verse five percent, because there's never been more than

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<v Speaker 7>five percent of women in the Border Patrol rates. And

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 7>they say, oh, it's because it's very hard. It's not

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<v Speaker 7>because it's very hard. I mean, it is very hard

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<v Speaker 7>to get through, but it's also it's because there's actually

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<v Speaker 7>assaulting us all the time in the academy and lassing us.

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<v Speaker 7>So I go back and forth in my mind, and

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<v Speaker 7>I would imagine this young woman. You know, she has

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<v Speaker 7>days where she arrests some pretty decent criminals every now

0:28:57.280 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 7>and then once in a blue moon, but the majority

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:04.520
<v Speaker 7>of them, if she's paying attention and not completely self absorbed,

0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 7>she'll realize that they're not criminals and their families just

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<v Speaker 7>simply seeking asylum. So she at some point has to

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<v Speaker 7>decide in her mind, is this what I got into?

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<v Speaker 7>Is this what I want to do with my life?

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<v Speaker 1>In the wake of nine to eleven and quite telling me,

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<v Speaker 1>the Border Patrol moved from oversight by the Department of

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<v Speaker 1>Justice to the new Department of Homeland Security. This move

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<v Speaker 1>from Justice as Security has been echoed in its recruiting,

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 1>which once drew heavily on those with humanitarian aid experience

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:36.520
<v Speaker 1>and now tries to appeal to veterans of the two

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 1>decades of war that have accompanied the growth of DHS

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<v Speaker 1>Since two thousand and one, when the DHS was first established,

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<v Speaker 1>the name struck many as problematic. In the two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and two article in The New York Times, Elizabeth Becker

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<v Speaker 1>wrote that the name had worrying similarities to the way

0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis talked about their fatherland, and it didn't really

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 1>fit with the way Americans spoke. Nobody in two thousand

0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>and one was talking about the homeland. For two decades

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<v Speaker 1>and billions of dollars later, it's hard to find much

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<v Speaker 1>in the way of criticism of the agency in DC,

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 1>despite the fact that the twenty twenty two budgets of

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 1>CBP and ICE was sixteen and eight billion, respectively, and

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>every year since two thousand and one, DHS has obtained

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<v Speaker 1>more guns, more drones, and more surveillance technology that is

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<v Speaker 1>inevitably used to spy on citizens as well as non citizens.

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety five, there are about four thousand CBP agents.

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:37.800
<v Speaker 1>By twenty twenty there were twenty thousand, with seventeen thousand

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<v Speaker 1>stations on the southern border. This is a slight drop

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<v Speaker 1>from a peak of just over twenty one thousand. Under Obama,

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<v Speaker 1>who is often called the deporter in chief, is fondness

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<v Speaker 1>for expelling people from the United States for crimes like

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<v Speaker 1>having a PieP or financial misconduct. There so called aggravated

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:57.040
<v Speaker 1>felonies and crimes of moral turpitude that only exist for

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<v Speaker 1>non citizens. These agents today have the ability to operate

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<v Speaker 1>in what the ACLU calls a constitution free zone and

0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 1>can conduct suspicion free searches of electronic devices, use cell

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<v Speaker 1>site simulators, and sweep up data about thousands of people

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 1>never accused of any crime. One of the more notable

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<v Speaker 1>examples of this happened only a few yards from where

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<v Speaker 1>I was recording last week in Santasidro. It's a story

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<v Speaker 1>worth recounting in detail because it brings together the themes

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<v Speaker 1>we've spoken about so far, demonization of migrants, government overreach,

0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:30.600
<v Speaker 1>and a frank disregard for international and national law. In

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<v Speaker 1>late twenty eighteen, I was enjoying a break from work

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<v Speaker 1>in a caravan near in Sonata. If you think back

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 1>to that time, right before the midterms, you might remember

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:40.680
<v Speaker 1>some of the rhetoric thats circulated around large group of

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 1>migrants making their way to the southern border. I'll play

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<v Speaker 1>some of the clips from Fox that MPR cut together

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<v Speaker 1>in their coverage of the issue.

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<v Speaker 8>The sympathetic, overwrought coverage of this invading horde is calling

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<v Speaker 8>it a caravan is a misnomer in a frankly sick name.

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<v Speaker 10>Or sample the Chipper Morning show, Fox and Friends.

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<v Speaker 14>I've gotten so many email from people who said, don't

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<v Speaker 14>call it a caravan, call it an invasion.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, Is that fair? Host Steve Doocy put the question

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<v Speaker 10>to conservative pundit Michelle Melkin. Of course it is.

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<v Speaker 14>It is a full scale invasion by a hostile force,

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<v Speaker 14>and it requires our president and our commander in chief

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<v Speaker 14>to use any means necessary to protect our sovereignty.

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<v Speaker 10>CNN's Brian Stelter found that Fox News featured segments using

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<v Speaker 10>the phrase invasion more than sixty times this month about

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<v Speaker 10>the migrants. On Fox Business Network, lou Dobbs's program invoked

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<v Speaker 10>it dozens of times. Trump ordered five thousand troops to

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<v Speaker 10>the border. He tweeted yesterday, quote, this is an invasion

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<v Speaker 10>of our country, and Trump has, without evidence, claimed gang

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 10>members and criminals and Middle Easterners are among them. Over

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:45.920
<v Speaker 10>on Fox, guests have similarly, without supporting facts, suggested people

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<v Speaker 10>from Isis and the Taliban might be among those migrants.

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<v Speaker 10>Even so, the network's chief news anchor, Shepherd Smith, tried

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<v Speaker 10>to put on the brakes yesterday.

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<v Speaker 15>Tomorrow is one week before the midterm election, which is

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<v Speaker 15>what all of this is about. There is no invasion,

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<v Speaker 15>No one's coming to get you. There's nothing at all

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<v Speaker 15>to worry about this month.

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:10.800
<v Speaker 10>Fox hosts and guests have repeatedly questions whether the migrants

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<v Speaker 10>might bring in infectious diseases again without evidence. Laura Ingram,

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<v Speaker 10>we don't know.

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<v Speaker 8>What people have coming in here. We have diseases in

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<v Speaker 8>this country we haven't had for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll leave you to process the incredible arrogy of the

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:25.760
<v Speaker 1>network that killed the decent percentage of its viewers by

0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:29.000
<v Speaker 1>denying that COVID was serious or a disease, or the

0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 1>vaccines and masks are useful panicking about infectious diseases. Just

0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 1>two years before the pandemic began, the Tree of Life

0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 1>shooter who we won't name here, who is currently facing

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:40.480
<v Speaker 1>a death penunty trial for murdering eleven people in a

0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh synagogue, were obsessed with the caravan. The victims of

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<v Speaker 1>the largest anti Semitic mass murder in US history included

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 1>a beloved community doctor, a great grandmother, and a couple

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 1>who'd gotten married at the same synagogue more than sixty

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<v Speaker 1>years earlier. The shooter's last post on hate speech social

0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 1>media site gap, posted just minutes before the synagogue massacre,

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<v Speaker 1>spells it out with a reference to the Hebrew immigrant

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:07.320
<v Speaker 1>aid Society, the Jewish nonprofit that resettles refugees in the

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:11.000
<v Speaker 1>United States. Hias liked to bring invadives to kill our people.

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I can't sit by on watch my people get slaughtered.

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<v Speaker 1>Screw your optics, I'm going in. The shooter was obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with the idea that a caravan of migrants with not

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<v Speaker 1>a group of people trying to save their own lives,

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 1>but a coordinated and somehow Jewish led invasion an attempts

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<v Speaker 1>to demographically restructure the United States. If you're unding where

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:31.319
<v Speaker 1>he got that idea from, he is America's favorite job

0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 1>seek at Tucker Carlson on the caravan.

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<v Speaker 14>Over the past month, a caravan of Central American migrants

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<v Speaker 14>has gradually made its way up from Honduras through Mexico

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<v Speaker 14>all the way to Tijuana opposite San Diego. At one point,

0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 14>Mexican authorities claimed they broke up the group, and American media,

0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:50.320
<v Speaker 14>of course dutifully reported that they did, But they didn't.

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:53.000
<v Speaker 14>That was just a pr gesture and a temporary one.

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<v Speaker 14>In fact, during parts of the trip, Mexican police escorted

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<v Speaker 14>the migrants northward.

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<v Speaker 12>In other words, the.

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 14>Mexican government a bet did illegal immigration into this country

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 14>as it has done for many years. Well tonight the

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 14>caravan is on our southern border. Rather than wait for

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:10.640
<v Speaker 14>the crossing station as Hena Sidro to open, many of

0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 14>them just jumped the fence. Some waved Honduran flags when

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 14>they got to the top, And that tells you everything.

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<v Speaker 14>When you arrive in a country to contribute to it

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 14>and to assimilate into its culture, you don't wave the

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:25.799
<v Speaker 14>flag of a foreign nation. That's what you do in

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:27.840
<v Speaker 14>triumph when you invade country.

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<v Speaker 1>On my way home from Mansnado in twenty eighteen, I

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<v Speaker 1>saw that quote invading Horde in the Benito Quadi Sports

0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 1>Complex and probably turned around and went back. My instinct

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:39.839
<v Speaker 1>as a journalist is to cover things like this, but

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:42.640
<v Speaker 1>my instinct is the person is to help first. On

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 1>the first day, I was there with two friends I

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<v Speaker 1>know from the weird world of pro cycling. Things were

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<v Speaker 1>pretty bad. We'd obtained a backpack foot of stroop waffles

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:51.839
<v Speaker 1>that a friend who makes stroop waffles have given us.

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Once we gave those out, I talked to a few

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:56.960
<v Speaker 1>people about what they needed. We coordinated with mutual A

0:35:57.000 --> 0:36:00.319
<v Speaker 1>groups in Tijuana and offered support or hoever wee could

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 1>in the next few weeks, my friends and I spent

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<v Speaker 1>tens of thousands of dollars at a Tijuana costco, received

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:07.359
<v Speaker 1>thousands of dollars in donations from people we hadn't seen

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 1>in years, and in one memorable instance, rigged up and

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 1>projected as someone had tactically obtained from an office to

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:14.800
<v Speaker 1>a DVD player which we'd installed in the roof of

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:18.080
<v Speaker 1>a dilapidated nightclub for little children and their mothers so

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 1>they could watch Beverly Hills, Chihuahua and forget about the

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 1>fact that the country they were traveling to was portraying

0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:25.920
<v Speaker 1>these little infants as invaders. I have a lot of

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:29.360
<v Speaker 1>very complicated memories of those few weeks. Little girls braiding

0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:32.800
<v Speaker 1>my hair, little boys and girls trying to comprehend exactly

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:35.399
<v Speaker 1>how I could be this bad at football, and people

0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:38.560
<v Speaker 1>from San Diego churches, tijuan anarchist kitchens, and mutual a

0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:41.160
<v Speaker 1>groups around the region coming together to look after a

0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 1>group of people who'd been so heavily demonized by folks

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:46.200
<v Speaker 1>who had never met them or even been here. His

0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Trump defending calling the caravan an invasion and simultaneously explaining

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:52.680
<v Speaker 1>why migrants low wage labor is desirable for people like him.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:57.080
<v Speaker 2>As President, I challenge you on one of the statements

0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 2>that you made in the tail end of the campaign

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.640
<v Speaker 2>in the mid terms that here we go that, well,

0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:05.440
<v Speaker 2>if you don't mind, miss president coming that this caravan

0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:07.920
<v Speaker 2>was an invasion, as you know consider it to be.

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:10.360
<v Speaker 2>As you know, miss President, the caravan was not an invasion.

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:13.319
<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a a group of migrants moving up

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:14.920
<v Speaker 2>from Central America towards the.

0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 10>Border with the US.

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<v Speaker 9>Thank you for dan.

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<v Speaker 2>Why why did you why did you characterize it as such?

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 5>Uh?

0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:24.279
<v Speaker 9>As I consider an invasion. You and I have a

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:24.839
<v Speaker 9>difference of.

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:27.800
<v Speaker 2>A BUTI do you think that you demonized immigrants? Not

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 2>election to try.

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<v Speaker 9>I want them. I want them to come into the country,

0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:32.880
<v Speaker 9>but they have to come in legally. You know, they

0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:35.239
<v Speaker 9>have to come in Jim through a process. I wanted

0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:37.799
<v Speaker 9>to be a process and I want people to come in.

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:38.600
<v Speaker 9>And we need the people.

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:40.520
<v Speaker 10>Your campaign, your campaign.

0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:42.880
<v Speaker 9>You know why we need the people, does you? Because

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:45.760
<v Speaker 9>we have hundreds of companies moving in we need the people.

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Trump, as you heard in the clip, used a migrant

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:51.360
<v Speaker 1>caravan and to a prop for its racism, bigoted midterm campaign.

0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:54.320
<v Speaker 1>It didn't work, and he lost control of the house,

0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:56.399
<v Speaker 1>but he did succeed in forcing these people to spend

0:37:56.480 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 1>months in the cold, first in a sports stadium and

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 1>then the old nightclub. Even as a migrant gradually reduced

0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 1>in number, with many finding work and a new life

0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:08.880
<v Speaker 1>in Mexico, some finding their way north. The long legacy

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:11.840
<v Speaker 1>of that caravan was only just starting. In the months

0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 1>of followed Journalists who'd covered the caravan, as well as

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 1>those who offered assistant to caravan members, so they felt

0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:20.920
<v Speaker 1>they'd become targets of intense inspections of scrutiny by border officials.

0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:24.360
<v Speaker 1>I got pulled into secondarily once during this time, and

0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 1>that was entering Mexico. The worst I got was a

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 1>chance to inspect my nineteen eighty pickup truck so oil pen.

0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:33.719
<v Speaker 1>But for others things weren't so easy. Homeland Security Investigation

0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:38.280
<v Speaker 1>special agent turned whistleblower Wesley Peteranac helped NBC to document

0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:41.600
<v Speaker 1>that under the umbrella of what was called Operation Secure Line,

0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:45.280
<v Speaker 1>the Department of Homeland Security created a database of activists, journalists,

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:48.839
<v Speaker 1>and social media influences tied to the migrant caravan when

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 1>they crossed the border. Individuals in that database, were often

0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:54.640
<v Speaker 1>subjected to hours long screenings and in some cases had

0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:58.879
<v Speaker 1>flagspaced on their passports. A PowerPoint slideshow which Peternac leaked

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 1>to NBC seven list some of the people, some of

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:05.759
<v Speaker 1>them have been guests on this show. They include ten

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:09.360
<v Speaker 1>journalists so on no whom are US citizens, a US attorney,

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:12.239
<v Speaker 1>forty eight people from the US and other countries who

0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:17.560
<v Speaker 1>are labeled as organizers, instigators, or having unknown rules. The

0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:21.200
<v Speaker 1>target lists also includes organizers from groups like Border Angels

0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:24.680
<v Speaker 1>and Pueblos and Froontella's I asked journalist brook Bink Cowsey

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:27.720
<v Speaker 1>to describe her experience of increased border scrutiny in twenty eighteen.

0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:30.319
<v Speaker 16>If you don't have a pre approved card, you have

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 16>to like go through wait and line, wait in this

0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 16>long ass line, and then you know, you go and

0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:38.360
<v Speaker 16>get vetted by CDP. They ask you some questions or

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 16>they just wave you through, depending on what kind of

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 16>day they're having or whatever. So in my case, I

0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:46.279
<v Speaker 16>started getting pulled into secondary inspection more and more so

0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:48.759
<v Speaker 16>they would wave my car over and then take me

0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 16>into this secondary place where it's sort of like this

0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:55.880
<v Speaker 16>back it's like a quonset pet sort of and in it,

0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:57.759
<v Speaker 16>like all these cars drive in and out, and they'll

0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:00.720
<v Speaker 16>they'll go through your things, they'll get in your face,

0:40:00.960 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 16>you know, they'll do all kinds of stuff. And I

0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 16>don't there have to be cameras in there somewhere, but

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:10.120
<v Speaker 16>I've never seen any. So I just kept getting pulled

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:11.960
<v Speaker 16>into secondary more and more as though I was this

0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:14.960
<v Speaker 16>suspicious person, as though I was suspected of something, and

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:16.480
<v Speaker 16>every time I asked, they'd be like, I don't know,

0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:19.120
<v Speaker 16>it's just random, ma'am, and ma'am, it's just random. So

0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:22.200
<v Speaker 16>actually this started about twenty fourteen for me, but it

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:25.279
<v Speaker 16>started to escalate in twenty eighteen. Twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen

0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:27.640
<v Speaker 16>started to escalating. I was like a fucking Trump administration,

0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:28.840
<v Speaker 16>of course going to escalate.

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Right under Trump, she said, things got worse.

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:34.319
<v Speaker 16>From twenty seventeen through twenty eighteen. It kind of worked

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:35.960
<v Speaker 16>where you push back and I'd be like, you need

0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:38.960
<v Speaker 16>to let me fucking go. You know, I'm century, I'm

0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:41.799
<v Speaker 16>already pre checked. If you think that there's something wrong

0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:44.040
<v Speaker 16>that I'm doing, and take my fucking century away, and

0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:45.960
<v Speaker 16>I want to talk to your manager type stuff, right,

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:49.000
<v Speaker 16>So I was doing that That worked until twenty eighteen,

0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:50.320
<v Speaker 16>and then it started to get really normally.

0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Eventually things came to a head. The day before the

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:55.439
<v Speaker 1>migrants of the caravan were tear gassed. And I've seen

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 1>most people remember from twenty eighteen.

0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:01.560
<v Speaker 16>So but on that night, as I was coming back,

0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:05.040
<v Speaker 16>I drove through and I did the sentry thing, you know,

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:08.080
<v Speaker 16>the usual stuff, and got pulled into secondary. And this

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:11.920
<v Speaker 16>time it was really like gnarly. The time before that

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:14.520
<v Speaker 16>had also been really gnarlly, like nobody hurt me, nobody

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:16.920
<v Speaker 16>did anything. But they got really close to my face,

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:20.279
<v Speaker 16>like brighten my face, you know, and started screaming at me,

0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:23.319
<v Speaker 16>like screaming over me. And I kept going, I'd like

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:26.480
<v Speaker 16>to speak to your manager, you know, sir, like please

0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:30.879
<v Speaker 16>please get out of my face, sir. And it was

0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:33.799
<v Speaker 16>it was gross and they were going through my shit

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:36.000
<v Speaker 16>and that was gross. Like they didn't find anything, but

0:41:36.040 --> 0:41:39.319
<v Speaker 16>it was just an invasive, hostile, disgusting thing.

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:41.000
<v Speaker 10>And that was when so I.

0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:44.759
<v Speaker 16>Said, can I speak to your manager? Which is a

0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:47.680
<v Speaker 16>magic phrase when you're a middle aged white woman. So

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:51.200
<v Speaker 16>I say this, and they bring over some guy and

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 16>he goes, ma'am, can I help you? I'm like yeah,

0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:55.600
<v Speaker 16>what the fuck. You know, why are you treating me

0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:59.359
<v Speaker 16>this way? Why did any of this happen? And he goes, oh, yeah,

0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:01.640
<v Speaker 16>I'm sorry. Your name's on a list somewhere. You've been

0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:05.040
<v Speaker 16>flat And I'm like, so every time I've crossed, I've

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:07.799
<v Speaker 16>been flagged. He's like, yeah, and yeah, you've been. There's

0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 16>a flag on your passport or against your name and

0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 16>that's why. And I said, well, why is there a

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:15.800
<v Speaker 16>flag against my name? And he goes, I don't know,

0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:17.760
<v Speaker 16>You're going to have to do a Freedom of Information

0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:19.600
<v Speaker 16>Act request or something. I don't even know if he

0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:19.920
<v Speaker 16>knew I.

0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Was a journalist Sadly Brook last crossing twenty eighteen, and

0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:26.200
<v Speaker 1>since I photographed those Cumi folks in ceremony near Campo,

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:29.040
<v Speaker 1>the border wall has only got longer. Every mile it

0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:31.799
<v Speaker 1>stretches out means another milet of desert people have to walk,

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:34.000
<v Speaker 1>and that means that more people won't walk out of

0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:37.080
<v Speaker 1>that desert. Those people who lost their lives and an

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:39.720
<v Speaker 1>attempt to save them. A mark with little red dots

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:42.279
<v Speaker 1>on the various maps that attempt to put the humanitarian

0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 1>crisis into a visual form. Those dots begin in South

0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:49.880
<v Speaker 1>America's people die traveling north, but they're sparse and isolated.

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Where that changes is the places I've been driving all week,

0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Eastern California, southern Arizona. Places I know from years of hiking, climbing,

0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:03.120
<v Speaker 1>and cycling. Places when one mistake can be fatal. I

0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:05.560
<v Speaker 1>know for my friends who spend time resupplying water caches

0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:08.000
<v Speaker 1>and searching for missing people. The You don't have to

0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 1>make any mistakes to die in the desert, especially if

0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:13.879
<v Speaker 1>you're young or old, or sick or afraid to ask

0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 1>for help. These are the places we force people to

0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:20.080
<v Speaker 1>travel through on foot to come here and create a

0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:25.239
<v Speaker 1>better future for themselves. Dehydration, exposure and drowning or rank

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:28.480
<v Speaker 1>highly as caused a death along the border. Last year

0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:31.400
<v Speaker 1>saw a record for border death, and with Biden attempting

0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:33.399
<v Speaker 1>to take a hard line going into twenty twenty four,

0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:37.279
<v Speaker 1>and climate change and instability continuing to drive migrants north

0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:39.760
<v Speaker 1>to the place that causes so much of that climate

0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:42.560
<v Speaker 1>change and instability, there's no reason to believe things will

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:46.160
<v Speaker 1>get better. I want to point to one tragic loss,

0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 1>one of thousands, that happened not far from where I live.

0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:53.920
<v Speaker 1>In February of twenty twenty, Juana Margarita and Paula Santosarthe

0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:56.800
<v Speaker 1>were traveling by foot from Wahaka to their future in

0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 1>the United States along a trail sometimes known as the

0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:02.799
<v Speaker 1>Shrine Trail. Their family told media back home that they

0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:05.000
<v Speaker 1>were searching for us. When you are a Medicano the

0:44:05.040 --> 0:44:08.960
<v Speaker 1>American dream. Along their route is a small religious shrine

0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:11.279
<v Speaker 1>which marks the last point from which you can see

0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:15.759
<v Speaker 1>in Mexico. It's well inside the US along a dry

0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 1>creek bed in the Laguna Mountains. It can be hot

0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:22.400
<v Speaker 1>in the summer and cold in the winter. Last November

0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:24.720
<v Speaker 1>I camped out there, and even with thousands of dollars

0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:28.279
<v Speaker 1>in gear, I was dangerously close to cold injury. I've

0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:32.920
<v Speaker 1>also rescued hikers with dehydration symptoms near here. The desert

0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:35.840
<v Speaker 1>and the weather might be part of the story, but

0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:38.440
<v Speaker 1>the desert doesn't kill people on its own. It's the

0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:41.520
<v Speaker 1>border that forces people deep into the desert that kills them.

0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:43.840
<v Speaker 1>The desert is just a tool for a system that

0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:47.200
<v Speaker 1>uses death of the torrent. When the girls crossed the

0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:49.720
<v Speaker 1>border near Campo on the ninth of February, it was raining.

0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:53.160
<v Speaker 1>As it climbed in the Laguna Mountains, it started to snow,

0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:56.040
<v Speaker 1>They huddled under a bolder for warmth, and the two

0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:58.280
<v Speaker 1>men smuggling them across struck out to get SAR reception

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 1>and call nine to one one. By the time boor

0:45:01.600 --> 0:45:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Star Border Patrol Search Trauma and Rescue team arrived, two

0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:08.480
<v Speaker 1>of the girls had died as they tried to save Juana.

0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:11.479
<v Speaker 1>Their request for air support was declined, and she died

0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:13.400
<v Speaker 1>with one of the agent's jack kits wrapped around her

0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:17.800
<v Speaker 1>and another agent's beanie on her head. For some reason,

0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:20.480
<v Speaker 1>the girl's remains were not recovered right away, and they

0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 1>were not rewarmed, and so they last their last chance

0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:28.120
<v Speaker 1>at the American dream and not life. Today, their final

0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:30.319
<v Speaker 1>resting place is marked by three crosses and a cash

0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:34.440
<v Speaker 1>of supplies placed there by volunteers. At the time I'm

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:36.880
<v Speaker 1>recording this, we don't know where all the folks we

0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:39.279
<v Speaker 1>met at the border are now. Then we might never know.

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:42.839
<v Speaker 1>Not being able to follow stories is the sad part

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:46.000
<v Speaker 1>of this reporting. Sometimes knows people will have my phone number,

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:49.000
<v Speaker 1>but they might not. Only more have their phones or

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.959
<v Speaker 1>this scrap of paper are wroteed on. Often these things

0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:54.880
<v Speaker 1>can be taken for them in custody. What we do

0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:57.359
<v Speaker 1>know is that on May eighteenth, exactly one week after

0:45:57.400 --> 0:46:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Title forty two ended, Immigration and Customer to Enforcement also

0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:04.000
<v Speaker 1>known as ICE, tweeted a video of Customs Enforcement and

0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Removal Operations agents walking down the corridor of a flight

0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:12.240
<v Speaker 1>full of mass people. The caption read ICE conducted multiple

0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:16.279
<v Speaker 1>removal flights including Ecuador, Guatemala, and Honduras as part of

0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:19.319
<v Speaker 1>dozens flights conducted each week. On the wall of my

0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 1>office as I write this, there are several propaganda posters

0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:25.839
<v Speaker 1>from the Spanish Second Republic. One is as simple as

0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:29.120
<v Speaker 1>it is heartbreaking. The poster depicts a squadron of fascist

0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:32.960
<v Speaker 1>bombers and the dead body of a child. The slogan

0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:36.200
<v Speaker 1>underneath reads, if you tolerate this, then your children will

0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:40.239
<v Speaker 1>be next. The poster was, of course correct. It was

0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:42.760
<v Speaker 1>the inspiration for songs for the Clash and the Manstree Preachers,

0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:44.719
<v Speaker 1>which are what, in turn made me want to learn

0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:48.320
<v Speaker 1>about the Spanish Civil War. The slogan, coined in nineteen

0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 1>thirty seven, feels as relevant today as it does then.

0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:54.279
<v Speaker 1>It was one that folks on the border might as

0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:57.319
<v Speaker 1>well have been screaming by twenty eighteen, but one that

0:46:57.360 --> 0:46:59.960
<v Speaker 1>went ignored, just as it did in nineteen thirty seven.

0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:03.600
<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty, folks began to realize what it meant

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<v Speaker 1>when border patrol drones circled the Skuise around Minneapolis and

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<v Speaker 1>cell phone signal interceptors tracked citizens all over the US

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<v Speaker 1>when they came together to demand that the police stop

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<v Speaker 1>murdering people. It became more real in twenty twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>when under DeSantis, Florida began the process of legalizing state

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<v Speaker 1>kidnapping of trans and gender nonperforming kids from their loving families.

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<v Speaker 1>But that all began when the state ripped Indigenous children

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<v Speaker 1>for their families in nineteenth and twentieth centuries who tried

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<v Speaker 1>to destroy their culture by punishing them for wearing their clothes,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking their languages, or using their names. Wasn't a big

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<v Speaker 1>leap from there to Trump's family separation policy, which detained

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<v Speaker 1>kids on their own away from their families as a

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<v Speaker 1>means of punishing a deterring migrants, and it's reached its

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<v Speaker 1>obvious endpoint in Florida, because despite all the people chanting

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<v Speaker 1>about kids in courages in twenty twenty, it's almost universal

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<v Speaker 1>bipartisan agreement on treating people of our southern border like

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<v Speaker 1>humans without rights and because for two decades we've allowed

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<v Speaker 1>the border surveillance industrial complex to grow to an unprecedented

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<v Speaker 1>and uncontrollable scale. But what you us all changing things

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<v Speaker 1>now will be very difficult. DHS aren't numbers many nations armies,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's considerably better equipped. But unless people show up

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<v Speaker 1>and take action, things are going to get considerably worse,

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of who you vote for or what they say

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<v Speaker 1>in order to get you to vote for them. As

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<v Speaker 1>Katie said, little things can make a difference, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you listen this far, I hope you'll take the time

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<v Speaker 1>to try and do those little things. Before we go,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to update you on what's happened in the

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<v Speaker 1>week we've been publishing this. Although there are no longer

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<v Speaker 1>people held out in the open in ho Gomber and

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<v Speaker 1>sant Asedra, there are still many people trying to present

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<v Speaker 1>themselves at the sant Asedra border to claim asylum. Today

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<v Speaker 1>I was told they about one hundred of them. They're

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<v Speaker 1>waiting there often for days. Most of them are getting

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<v Speaker 1>turned away. They're all frustrated with CVP one which continues

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<v Speaker 1>to be buggy, offer no appointments and struggle to photograph

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<v Speaker 1>black faces. I also wanted to mention some of the

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<v Speaker 1>organizations you can find and donate to if you'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to support the refor They are the Asian Solidarity Collective,

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<v Speaker 1>Alo Trollaro, the American Friends Service Committee, Border Kindness, Borderlands

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<v Speaker 1>Relief Collective, the Haitian Bridge Alliance, the Partnership for the

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<v Speaker 1>Advancement of New Americans, and PREVENKASA pr E V E

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<v Speaker 1>n C A s A. I'd also like to thank

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Oriana his Twitter is at Joe or Photo for

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<v Speaker 1>his reporting which very much contributed to this series.

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