WEBVTT - Adam Savage 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.400 The Craig Ferguson Pants on Fire Tour is on sale now. 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:07.880 It's a new show, it's new material, but I'm afraid 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:12.480 it's still only me, Craig Ferguson on my own, standing 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.800 on a stage telling comedy words. Come and see me, 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.520 buy tickets, bring your loved ones, or don't come and 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.400 see me. Don't buy tickets and don't bring your loved ones. 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:23.880 I'm not your dad. You come or don't come, but 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:26.160 you should at least know what's happening, and it is. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:30.160 The tour kicks off late September and goes through the 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:34.000 end of the year and beyond. Tickets are available at 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:36.960 the Craig Ferguson Show dot Com slash tour. They are 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.080 available at the Craig Ferguson Show dot com slash tour 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:44.960 or at your local outlet in your region. My name 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:49.040 is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.640 I talk to interest in people about what brings them happiness. 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:00.000 On the podcast today we have a show business slash 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.360 science member of the royal family. Now that's not fair 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.840 because he's much smarter than any member of the royal family. 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:09.800 It's a very old friend of mine. He used to 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.640 be a ginger, but he's all right now. Please welcome 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:25.440 the fantastic Adam Savage. Adam Savage, look at you. You 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:27.840 look exactly the same, if anything, a little younger. 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:31.160 The guy said, you look. 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:32.520 Have you been moisturizing? 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:33.560 What's happening? 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.119 It's all turned gray? But yeah, no, the clean living 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:38.759 is the secret to my face. 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:40.400 Well, you know, here's the thing. 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.360 Though you wear a ginger, at one point, gingers do 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:43.960 go gray. 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.559 We go white, we go like sheet white. 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:48.840 Yeah, I know, it's kind of impressive. 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.040 It's I think it's the compensation for having been a 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:56.240 ginger that you then go completely white. I've seemed to 0:01:56.240 --> 0:02:01.840 be developing some kind of weird, kind of fluffy thing 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.600 that's going on. It's very bad. I've noticed that my 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:08.080 hair has dried out completely. If you're just joining us, 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:12.160 by the way, this is the Haircare Podcast with Adam 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:20.760 Savage and Craig ferguson what what isn't? It? 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:23.320 Isn't French? Your name is it somebody that was French? 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:25.639 I was just going to say that's the correct pronunciation. 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.720 But we came over to Scotland around the fourteenth century, 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:33.080 right and from what I understand the savages or the 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:39.440 savages were mercenaries settling near the Antwerm peninsula. 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:43.760 Around the fourth that's been near Ireland then right, I. 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:45.959 Think there are a bunch of savages in Ireland as well. 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:47.880 There certainly are. 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:52.520 I I wonder if if it was your family that 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.239 brought the ginger to Scotland, or if the ginger was 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.959 already there's It is a good question, and I know 0:02:59.160 --> 0:02:59.480 no one. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.000 I think you know it would be an excellent. 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:07.200 MythBusters Red Hair was bought to Scotland or it was 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:07.880 already there? 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:10.200 What's going on with that franchise? 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:12.480 Now? Are you guys making MythBusters Junior or. 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:16.480 No, dude, I haven't made television in years. I'm a 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:17.240 YouTuber guy. 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.880 It's it's definitely the way to go. Yeah, are you 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.799 back at building? Are you back in your your your 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:26.000 day job? No? 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:30.680 I over covid. I we leaned in one hundred percent 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:35.840 of my YouTube channel. We have almost seven million subscribers, now. 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:37.840 Shut the fuck up. Seven million. 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.280 We put up a video almost every day. We put 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:41.880 up a video. 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.480 Oh my god, do you you must be an influencer? 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:47.880 Are you going to fight Mike Tyson or something that's happened. 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.600 You know, the secret to having a YouTube channel is 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.400 that you basically have to be your own ad agency, and. 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:57.240 That is what we do know, right, That's that's a 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:00.920 lot though. I like, I think I've got a YouTube channel. 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:04.000 I know that Tomas messes around with something, and I 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:06.760 know these podcasts go up, but I think I've got 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:07.120 like one. 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.440 Hundred subscribers or something. 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:14.800 It's no, it's not anything that anyone's gonna be excited about, 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.920 but it's definitely the way to go for sure. Is it? 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.080 Does it feel more comfortable being your own kind of executive? 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:23.040 Can I tell you it's so nice? 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.640 Because you know the TV executives they ride you so 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:27.719 hard on a pitch. 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.719 They want everything button down into the moment they award 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:32.560 the show. They don't care about the show at all. 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.760 They just want to know that the last five minutes 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.520 will bring all of the world to watching what you're making. 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:43.720 Yeah, and also the television executives, God bless them. I 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.200 used to hate them, but now I feel bad for 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.240 them because there's no work for those guys. 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:49.560 No. 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:53.640 Can I tell you When I pitched a book in 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.280 twenty sixteen in New York, I spent a whole day 0:04:56.320 --> 0:05:01.080 pitching all the publishers, and it was remarkable because I 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.560 realized halfway through the day, I'm repeatedly in rooms pitching 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.520 to people who love what I'm pitching. They love the 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:11.440 industry that they're in, they love books, And that's not 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.280 what I experience in television. I don't experience television executives 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.839 being like, I love television, I'm a television person. 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.400 No, it's a very rare thing. I mean, one or 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.040 two of them, but most of them are are just awful. 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:23.240 They're just. 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:26.680 I think for many of them, it's kind of a 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.640 realtor job. You know, it's like, well, let's know what 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:33.680 I wanted, but you know it's decent money, and you 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.440 know I'll do it for now. 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.000 Well that works nickel and dime them until they have 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:41.440 no compunction left. 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.360 I know. But it's quite interesting though, because I know 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:46.520 that I'm hurtling into my dotage. 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:49.360 Whenever I talk to them, I'm like, what do you want? 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:49.800 Son? 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:55.520 That's exactly that, Like, what the fuck you want? 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:59.080 Like, well, we're very excited about are you really excited? 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:03.240 Fuck you you're not excited about it? Shut out exactly that. 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.320 But I do people have to pitch you for your 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.720 YouTube channel now that do they have to like say, well, 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.479 we have this idea we'd like to blow up a hat. 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:12.480 You know. 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.360 That does happen from time to time. 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:17.480 I just had a company ask me, could you send 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.120 our product to space experimentally? 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:23.599 And I came back with a totally different idea. 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:29.040 Yeah, I am unwilling to do testing on behalf of 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:30.040 people's products. 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.359 I never was willing and I still don't want to 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:32.640 do it. 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.200 Well, I mean, doesn't it that would leave you home 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.960 to some kind of legal ramifications. Wouldn't as well? If 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:41.760 you test something and then somebody hurts themselves or something completely. 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:45.919 But also it's like the first time I make a 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.039 test and adjudicate someone's product as being one way or 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:50.720 the other, no one will trust me. 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:52.479 Ever. Again, that's the way I feel. 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:54.560 That's right, that's right now. 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.159 So what do you do in your YouTube channel? 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:59.599 Because of course, obviously I subscribe to it, But for 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:02.479 the people that don't know about that. 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.520 It is it's a fever dream of making. 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:10.400 And so I'm in here five days a week, forty 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.880 hours a week in general kind of making whatever I'm 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:16.840 interested in. Right now, I'm currently working on. This is 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.480 sitting on my bench here. This is part of an 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:23.560 elevator panel I'm working on because there's a scene in 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:27.680 the movie Elf where Will Ferrell walks into an elevator 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:29.360 and he hits a button that's really pretty, and so 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.000 he hits all the buttons at once. So I'm making 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.440 that a Christmas decoration in my house this year. 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:39.400 Oh, that's a lovely idea. And then as you make that, 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:41.760 you will film yourself making it. We'll go on the 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:46.400 YouTube and then hey, Presto Cash, absolutely yeah, and so 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.320 we do that, and then we also like I made 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.880 a raptor costume, a Utah raptor costume sixteen feet long 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.160 a few years ago, and just a few weeks ago, 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.240 I brought in a couple of friends and we spend 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:01.920 a week painting it and just a magnificent collaboration of 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.560 three dudes walking around this dinosaur for three full days 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.520 just adding and subtracting color and turning it into a 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:12.360 real character. That's really interesting. So you kind of like 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.840 you freed yourself. You've become like you're doing exactly what 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.440 you want, exactly on your own terms, and becoming a 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.400 petrillionaire at the same. 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:27.400 Time, A thousand there fit there it is. It's so 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.360 like the team is really small. It's just six of 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:34.000 us making this YouTube channel. Everyone's having a really good 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:36.280 time and we don't have to answer it anyone. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.120 I bought out all my business partners a couple of 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:38.559 years ago. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.560 That's really interesting because that's kind of I kind of 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:46.520 did the same thing when when television started to turn 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:52.439 into this weird, kind of corporate, homogenized fucking shit show 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:55.360 where you know, you say one thing wrong and suddenly 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:58.760 you know, there's lawyers saying we don't encourage Greig Ferguson 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:02.160 and all that kind of stuff that I thought, No, 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.080 I got to strip this down to analog, right back 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:10.240 down to me speaking into a microphone in a dark 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.440 room with a bunch of people pointed in my direction. 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.800 That's it, you know, just like doing stand up. And 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.240 it was only recently, like in the last I don't know, 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.280 I don't know how, but long I've been doing this podcast, 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.560 like eighteen months or something, and you know, the iHeart 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.680 people who run. I'm like, God, these guys are just 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:31.800 the same fucking assholes as everybody else, So so I'll 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.880 probably won't keep doing it, but but maybe I should buy. 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:35.920 Buy them out. 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:39.680 And well, you know, one of the things that people 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:41.680 who watch the channel tell me that they do is 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.640 they take my videos and some of them might be 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:46.319 eight minutes long, and some of them might be eighty 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.920 minutes of me like wiring something up, and they put 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.480 their laptop on their workbench with me working, and then 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:53.559 they work alongside. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.040 They do their own project while I'm working on mine. 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.439 I think that's that's very good. 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.360 And I think that the myth Bursters is quite an 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:01.959 interesting thing. 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.760 I think MythBusters was kind of like doing it. 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.200 The equivalent is if you do a vampire movie, like, 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.440 no matter what you do in your career, from that 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:14.720 point on, the vampire crowd will always consider you one 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:18.000 of their people. And I think myth Bursters has like 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:21.280 because I'm that, I'm like myth Bursters is such a thing. 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.439 Like I still see Carrie quite often. I haven't seen 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:27.280 you in ages, but you've been over in Scotland a 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.640 couple of times. And I mean I haven't seen you 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:32.120 over in a while unless you've been there and you 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:32.839 haven't told me. 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.160 I have not been there and haven't told you. 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.960 All right, good because during the lockdown. We were stuck 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.120 in Scotland all the time. We moved back to America though, 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:42.959 we're in New England. 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:45.840 Oh wow, okay, yeah, East Coast. 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.360 Yeah, well, you know that's where Meghan's people are from, 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:55.120 those icy blue blood Yankees who you know that Meghan 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.079 can trace her ancestry back to the Mayflower. 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.960 Oh so can I Actually we have some relatives that 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:04.040 were on that boat together. 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:05.080 Oh my god. 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.040 Because my theory is that only the crazy people made 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:11.480 it through that first winter. Only the angry crazy that 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:15.960 genetic code through that first winter. It was like your 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.240 Law and Megan Law. I wonder if you relate it 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:18.800 to Megan. 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.280 I didn't get COVID for the longest time, for the 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.400 first two and a half almost three years, and there 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.640 was this period of time I thought I was immune 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:32.240 because my grandmother, who can trate my who was a Monroe, 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:35.000 who can trace her, who could trace her ancestry back 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:38.920 to the Mayflower, had survived the nineteen seventeen influenza. 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.680 Oh wow, So I. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:43.480 Was thinking, like, I'm an x man, I got that 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:45.600 in my blood. But then I caught COVID and it's 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:46.400 still well. 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.680 COVID's kind of I don't know. Look, I'm not a scientist, 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:51.920 but I feel like it's new. I feel like it's 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:55.920 a slightly newer thing. And I didn't get it for 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:57.840 a while. I didn't get it at all. We had 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.840 a party of our house afterwards. Bill didn't get it. 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:02.960 You were invited to that party? You didn't, I was. 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.800 I couldn't make it outright. Carrie was at Carrie Byron 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.080 was at the party. I think I was so jealous. 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.559 I think she got COVID. Had like fifty people got 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:15.920 COVID at that party, but I didn't. And then Meghan 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:20.520 we went to I was doing name that celebrity, named 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:27.080 that tune in Dublin for some reason, and uh, and 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.680 Megan came with me and she made me go and 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:34.240 see the Book of Kels, which I was. I couldn't 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:38.040 give a shit about the Book of Kels. And while 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:39.679 I was in there, it was all American tourists and 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.319 I got the Irish lepro COVID I got. That's when 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.679 I got it. From the Book of Kels. I got 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:49.719 the original ancient Irish the OHI Diddley COVID, you get 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:54.000 a which yeah, yeah, I wish that I hadn't gone 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.040 to see the fucking Book of kels Is when I went. 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:00.479 So listen, talk to me about about. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.600 Your origins, because I haven't really talked to you ever 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:06.320 really about that. You're from Sleepy Hollow, right, is that 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:06.960 where you're from? 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.439 I was born Crane Country, born in Manhattan. 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:15.200 My parents were lovely bohemians in the West Village in 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:16.160 the late sixties. 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:18.760 Wow, that sounds like a lot of body hair. 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.520 Was They had a two They had a ten room 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.360 duplex on Eighth Street and McDougall Street. 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.640 That'd be worth like a billion dollars now. 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:34.200 They sold it to the Robert Jeoffrey Foundation in nineteen seventy. Wow, 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.680 to move their family up to Terrytown, to Sleepy Hollow, 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:41.040 New York, and where I grew up. That's where I 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:43.360 spent my whole childhood, about a block from the Hudson. 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.560 That's a lovely part of the world. Is gorgeous there. 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.440 But isn't it like there's a lot of ghost stories 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.439 and creepy stuff and all there. And I always think 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.040 of you as being someone who debunks all of that 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:58.080 kind of stuff. That is do you think that's what 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.080 started there? Was it to protect yourself from scary stories. 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.280 No, I I think it was. 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.360 I think I believed you're reminding me that. 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:10.520 There's this one moment in MythBusters when Guermo Del Toro 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.439 called us up and he was like, why don't we 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.480 go spend three days in the most haunted place in 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:20.600 the United States, an insane asylum in the Carolinas. 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:24.760 And Jamie was like, why would we do this? 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:28.080 And I was like, we would do this because it's Guermo, 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:29.920 got Giermo cal you gotta go. 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:30.720 You got it. 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:35.000 I haven't been in his crazy house of mad things. 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:35.720 Have you been in it? 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.080 I've been to I've been to Bleak House and now 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.240 apparently there's a second bleak House. 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:41.360 But yeah, he's good. 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:45.080 No, it's an amazing collection. It's a pathology kind of. 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.320 I mean, look at what are we if not a 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:49.760 collection of pathologies. 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:51.040 I've gone. 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:54.600 I was going to say, you're kind of you're kind 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.680 of a bit of a hoarder, uh. 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:58.000 High functioning hoarder. 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.640 But yes, high functioning horder. I think kids did it. 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.680 But it's but the kind of the whole ethos of 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.480 like MythBusters and you personally as well, even right down 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:09.920 to the I don't know if you're still an atheist, 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.520 but but like you're a you're a kind of you 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.160 really do like to get to the science of just 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:17.600 about everything, right. 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:19.160 I do like to get to the science of just 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:19.800 about everything. 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:21.960 But it's funny that you say, Uh, I wonder if 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:26.040 you're still an atheist because I stopped saying that and 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.560 it happened in your kitchen in in Durban. 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:31.520 Oh really, because we had come. 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.760 Back from a thing back when we were hanging back 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.000 when I was visiting you there, and you said, it's 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:43.440 it's pretty Uh. You said, it's pretty fundamentalist to say atheist, 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:47.080 because I still believe that. Yeah, yeah, And I couldn't 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.960 I couldn't disagree with that, and so I now call 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:53.640 myself a New Testament agnostic. I can't know, I can't 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.680 know who tipped the first domino, but I agree with 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:56.840 everything Jesus said. 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:09.200 Yeah, it's very interesting because I wrestled with it over 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:12.520 and over and over again. It's it's like a constant 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.120 refrain from me. I always kind of go back to 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.520 I don't want to not believe things, but I can't 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.960 believe in a kind of angry man on a cloud 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.360 with a thunderbolts and stuff. 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:25.320 I can't believe in that. 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:30.040 But then I'm interested in mystics that have become fascinated. 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:35.160 Recently by Gorvi Dal. Have you read gorfy Daals? 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.360 I have read a bunch of Gorvidale. He's the only 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:39.960 historical fiction writer who I like to read. 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.120 Oh my god, it's great. So right now I'm in 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:44.280 the middle of creation. 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:45.440 Uh. 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:50.160 When he's got that guy from Persia who meets Buddha 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:54.280 and confuses and so cars, it's it's I'm like, wow, man, 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.640 this is fucking pot boiler is fabulous. 0:16:58.080 --> 0:16:59.840 I always kneel. I always felt with him. 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:02.720 The one I read and loved the most was Burr, 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:08.359 which is a fever dream. And also with Vidal, like, 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.840 I feel like I'm absolutely getting a whole bunch of 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:15.159 editorializing an opinion, but it's informed by the point of 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.640 view he got in his research, not by a bias. 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:22.120 Yeah, I feel it's quite What's quite interesting about Gourvidal 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:27.000 as well is that I don't really know where he 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:32.560 stands in in the in the belief system, I really 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.560 and I've read extensively, and I think what it is 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:39.280 is I think he bounces around, you know, I think 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.360 he but I think. 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.320 It is almost that that is almost a defining feature 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.439 of real faith. Martin Luther King absolutely grappled with it 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:51.200 in his personal diaries. I mean, John Dunn hell Spells, 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:54.920 you know, was totally grappling with this the whole time. 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:56.280 Yeah, I think it. 0:17:56.680 --> 0:18:00.879 I think it is an essential component of faith that 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.600 it has to have doubt. If it doesn't have doubt, 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.399 it's not really faith. It's kind of it's certainty, and 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.679 certainty is a very different thing. But there's a weird 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.400 interview with Carl Young. I don't know if you've ever 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.879 seen it, or somebody asked him if he it's a 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:18.560 televised thing. I can't remember where it was, but towards 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:22.560 the end of his life where someone said do you 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.320 do you believe in God? And he said, it's different 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.840 for me now I know, I know there's a God. 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:31.359 I was like, oh man, Young freaks me out. I 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:35.480 think he's so amazing. But but I always I think 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.360 of you. It's interesting to hear you say that because 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.840 I didn't know you were into those videal historical novels, 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:45.119 because they they seem quite mystical to me, and I 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.960 feel that you are aren't that I guess you are. 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:49.520 I mean the. 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.439 Science thing is a search for truth, isn't it. It 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:57.080 is a It isn't it in its way a spiritual hunger? 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:01.320 I think science, it's absolutely and we're grappling with the 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:02.359 same questions. 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:02.840 I had. 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.720 This seems Germaine to this. I had this epiphany about 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:11.159 four years ago. I was researching measuring things. I was 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.879 research which is the field of metrology, and within the 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:18.240 field of metrology, actually I happened to I did not 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.600 plan this prop but I have this right here. Within 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.119 the field of metrology. If you want to measure something, 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.719 you pass a certain point, you don't measure it, You 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.720 actually compare it to something. And this is called a 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:33.840 gauge block. And this is the most accurate comparison system 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:36.520 there is. This is a one inch block, and I 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:38.760 can tell you that this block is one inch to 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.040 within you know, a few nanometers. 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:42.840 That's how accurate this block is. 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:46.040 And I was showing my I was doing a video 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:48.679 about how to measure gauge blocks and how accurate they are, 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:50.639 and then I had this idea, and I put the 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.240 gauge block in my hand and held it for twelve 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.720 seconds and put it back under my measuring device, and 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.719 I was able to show that in twelve seconds, the 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:03.520 heat from my body had man the gauge block one micron. 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:05.919 Thicker because of heat expansion. 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:08.879 And when I realized that, and I was looking at 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:11.159 the spec sat for these, which is every one of 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:15.199 these has been measured and certified, I realized that at 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:17.200 the bottom of the certification it says this is only 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:21.440 accurate at sixty eight degrees fahrenheit. That's amazing, which told 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:25.440 me that measurement is the faith I get in numbers 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:29.280 is misplaced because they aren't real that the measurement of 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:33.040 these blocks only exists under circumstances that we agree upon, 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.720 which means just like politics, just like culture, just like society, 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:39.040 it's all based on us being polite and trying to 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:39.639 work together. 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:40.840 That's how it works. 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:42.680 Yeah, it's it's funny. 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:46.159 I had a similar experience when I was getting my 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:48.720 pilot's license, when I was learning to fly, because I 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:54.000 kept asking people about air speeds and altitudes, and air 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:57.639 speeds and altitudes, which are extremely important if your flying 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:01.920 a freaking airplane. Well, altitude there's kind of like five 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.800 different types because there's there's altitude above the ground, but 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:07.320 there's also sea level altitude, which we all kind. 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:07.719 Of agree on. 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:10.840 Then there's density altitude because that's how the plane's going 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:18.159 to perform at certain temperatures and uh, moisture in the atmosphere. 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:24.080 So it's like like radar altitude as well, I mean it. 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:26.200 So it's like, no, we need to have one altitude. 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:29.399 But there's not the same thing about the speed of sound, 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.560 Like how fast the sound, Well, it depends on the 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:35.000 temperature and it depends on the thickness of the air. 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:39.240 And it's so fascinating to me, and I think you're right. 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:43.600 I think I think that it is. It is very 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:48.119 very confusing to try and agree on one thing to 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.639 make things black and white. That's why I'm I'm against 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:52.840 fundamentalism of all kinds. 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:55.320 And that's that's where you turn me around in your 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:56.080 kitchen table. 0:21:56.280 --> 0:22:00.280 Was I realized, Yeah, no, I can't know, So all 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:03.359 I can do is keep gathering data. And I feel 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.600 like performers like because we both spend a lot of 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:07.920 time in front of audiences. 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:10.440 We know that audiences can take on. 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:12.920 A character that is different than the people that compose 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:13.640 that audience. 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:18.359 Unbelievable, unbelievable. I mean right to the extent of the 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:20.320 one night. And you'll know this because you did those 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:22.760 live shows, and you've done so many live shows. You 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:25.560 can go out in front of an audience and roughly 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:29.040 the same sized theater, at the same room temperature, at 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:32.040 the same time of day, in a town that's a 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:35.760 similar demographic makeup, and do exactly the same thing and 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:42.879 have a wildly different experience. And that's people's collective personalities. 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:44.560 I'm like, what is it. 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:48.199 It's it's that Youngian thing, isn't it. The collective, the 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:51.520 collective unconscious? Right, the collective unconscious? 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:52.960 I do you know. 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:56.000 I once had interviewed with Stephen King on the Late 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:59.280 Night Show and I said, have you He was talking 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:02.640 about bringing stories down. He said, I bring the stories 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:06.080 down from somewhere. I was like, oh, that's fascinating. And 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:09.399 I said to him, so about the it's kind of 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:11.960 like the young the collective unconscious. 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:13.360 And he said, what is that? 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:17.560 And he didn't know what I was talking about. 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:18.720 Oh so great? 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:21.800 I was like, what I mean, you might. 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:24.080 Have been working with me, Stephen King, but it was 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:25.960 still listening. 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:29.600 But there is also that Arlott Guthrie. I saw him 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:31.840 perform once and he said, I don't write songs. I 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:33.760 stand at the side of a river and I wait 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:35.000 for one to come by and I. 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:37.159 Scoop it out. Yeah. 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:39.919 And then he said, he said, I don't think anyone 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:42.960 downstream of Bob Dylan has ever even seen a song. 0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:50.920 But I think that was kind of interesting, as though 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:54.640 that that's a kind of that's a kind of weird, 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:57.080 unmeasurable thing. 0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:00.879 But you've been in front of an audience where something 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:04.959 came out of the ether into your head, yes, and 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:07.399 dropped like a bomb in the room. 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:09.240 Yes, And it happened last night. 0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:10.639 I actually I was doing a show last night and 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:13.200 oh Chicago, and that's why I'm in the hotel in 0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:16.240 Chicago now. And about halfway through the show, I had 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:18.480 this idea and I went with it, and I was 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:21.000 making myself laugh at the audience seemed to be enjoyed too, 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:22.720 but I was having a great time with it. 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:27.360 I view that as that's that's the other to me, right, 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:30.760 that creative thing that happens late when you do all 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:32.720 the practice and you do all the rigor that you 0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:35.760 do to get yourself to this point, and then you 0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:38.800 open yourself up and some creative thing comes in. You 0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:41.240 don't know where it came from, but it informs the 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:42.320 whole thing you're building. 0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:47.040 Yeah, it's it's very interesting because it it leads me 0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:50.080 as I you know, again, as I get older, I 0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:54.360 start thinking about the inevitability of the you know, corporeal 0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:58.320 decline and you know, and immortality and all that. And 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:04.560 I can't get my head to a place where I 0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:10.960 can endorse the idea of the continuation of consciousness. I'm 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:14.800 quite happy to remain open to the idea of a god, 0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:21.160 a primover, or an unexplainable deity, but I can't get 0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:23.920 my head around the idea that it keeps going. 0:25:24.320 --> 0:25:25.800 I just don't see that. 0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:29.879 Here's one that I'm always thinking about when this conversation 0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:34.560 comes around is in Africa, they took some termite mounds 0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:41.840 and poured concrete into them and then excavated to see 0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:44.840 the shape of a termite city. 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:47.760 And when they do this, the cities. 0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:51.720 Are fifteen feet tall and twenty feet wide, and they 0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:56.359 include waste management, and they include air conditioning and convection 0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:02.119 breatheable air. They include temperature control. And I couple that 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:04.240 with the fact that ninety nine percent of the cells 0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:07.400 in my body right now are non human in origin, right, 0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:11.280 I'm mostly a colony of other bacterium and other types 0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:16.120 of organisms. So I find myself wondering if consciousness isn't 0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:20.399 just a level set for different groups of organisms, and 0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:24.200 that maybe it's not that our consciousness continues, but we're 0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:26.760 just brought back into the continuum. 0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:30.880 That's fascinating the idea. I think also, if you get 0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:36.760 the idea of infinity, of infinite time, infinite space, then 0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:40.240 it would seem to me that anything that can happen 0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:45.880 will happen, and so anything that you can think of 0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:50.880 can If I'm days going on, I wonder if that's 0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:54.040 even plausible, But it's it's this is one of the 0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:58.879 reasons why I don't take marijuana. I feel like I 0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:01.840 feel like it would be bad. Do you take recreational drugs? 0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:03.359 I wonder if that's the thing for you. 0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:09.840 I did do a lot of psychedelics back in my twenties, really, yeah, absolutely, 0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:12.280 and it was a couple of mushroom It was a 0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:16.560 couple of mushroom trips during which I really absolutely connected 0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:21.320 and still firmly believe that our consciousness is eternal and 0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:25.960 that we don't that this is not a deterministic universe. 0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:29.000 That is, we have free will here, but I'm not 0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:33.760 sure where we come from that we do. And so 0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:37.439 I make this leap that we come here onto this 0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:41.640 corporal plane because eternity is exhausting, and we come here 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:44.840 to enjoy some beginnings and endings, beginnings and endings, beginnings 0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:45.160 and ends. 0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:48.040 Oh, that's a lovely idea. I think you might be 0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:50.600 on the edge of a new religion as there could be. 0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:55.960 I think I could get behind that as an idea. 0:27:56.080 --> 0:28:01.720 That that's fascinating. I think the the idea though for 0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:08.439 me that the struggle I have with spiritual hunger or 0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:13.879 spiritual searching is it's so littered with organized religion, which 0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:19.480 is not for me. You know, I kind of make 0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:23.800 it work. You have you got any organizational structure for 0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:24.520 that for yourself? 0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:27.480 Only that it seems to me that the that the 0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:28.760 Buddhists have been right. 0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:31.760 All along, maybe maybe. 0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:35.679 That consciousnes Look, you know, at this age too, what 0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:38.040 turns out to be most important to me is the 0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:41.880 collaborations I get to do with people that I love. Yeah, 0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:44.600 it's that taking a couple of minds and intersecting them 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:47.640 on the same problem and enjoying doing that and learning 0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:52.120 from other point people's point of view. The more curious 0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:56.080 I get about other people and their process, the more 0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:59.960 I get a reward from that that interaction that's interesting. 0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:04.680 So you become fascinated by the way other people approach 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:10.000 a problem which either you have looked at yourself or 0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:13.760 are trying to or invest the gain. 0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:16.520 Yeah, one of the primary things we do on the 0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:19.520 channels we go to movie sets, and on movie sets 0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:21.840 the main thing that we do at a level that 0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:24.160 most people don't do it is we'll talk to all 0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:26.480 of the artisans about how we look. 0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:30.200 A movie crew is nothing but an army of storytellers 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:30.920 all the way down. 0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:34.280 And when you're talking to the pain or painting the problem, 0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.800 he's thinking that, she's thinking about the narrative of that piece. 0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:42.120 And I love talking about that problem. You get this thing, 0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:44.480 how do you make it fit within that narrative? Go 0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:49.040 And that's one of the great challenges of my creative 0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:51.120 life is making things to do that, and I love 0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:53.320 talking to other people about how they do it. 0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:55.200 It's funny, as you mentioned that that when we were 0:29:55.200 --> 0:30:00.360 in Scotland, we wanted to paint an old part of 0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:02.440 the house, and we didn't know how to do it. 0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:03.480 And we didn't know how to do it. And then 0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:06.120 I thought, you know what, let's call I had a 0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:09.920 buddy who was a set painter on movies. Yes, I said, 0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:12.160 let's have him come and look at it. And he 0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:13.800 looked at it, and I said, I wanted to look 0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:17.920 like it was painted three hundred years ago. But it's 0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:21.120 got damp. But then it got dry again and it's okay. 0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:24.120 Now it had woodworm, but it doesn't have woodworm anymore. 0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:26.480 He's like, got it. And he did it in two days. 0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:29.280 Right, because he's a Sunday Yeah. 0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:31.480 Right, He's like, I got I know what you're doing. Yeah. 0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:33.920 I probably bought a bunch of Hudson sprayers to add 0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:35.640 some dirt coming down the walls. 0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:35.880 Right. 0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:39.120 It was amazing though, I mean the idea of it. 0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:44.080 I'm fascinated by the idea that that. And you're right, 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:48.680 everybody is a storyteller, and like I was always interested. 0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:52.920 I haven't made a movie in forever, but the wardrobe 0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:56.280 people always fascinated me because the investigation that they do 0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:59.320 and the work that they do is amazing. 0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:01.640 And the stuff they don't even tell you, Like I 0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:05.680 was talking to Danny Glicker, who's Jason Rightman's costumer, and 0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:07.520 he was like, the thing you don't realize is all 0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.800 old clothes have shoulder burned because they've been sitting on 0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:14.000 a hangar for decades. They're always a little lighter right 0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:16.080 here on this line. And if you don't do that, 0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:21.000 you'll know that it's not quite old. That's amazing, amazing. 0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:24.600 It's a big detective thing almost you ever drawn to 0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:28.320 that you ever drun to, like forensics or police work. 0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:33.000 Absolutely, I love knowing how things work, so I love 0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:36.720 peeling behind the curtain and having you know, MythBusters is 0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:39.400 just put me in contact with tons and tons of 0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:41.200 cops all over the world. 0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:45.440 And I mean, I could not do that job. 0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:49.360 It is a view on humanity that is really intense 0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:53.760 and difficult and a and look, I have huge problems 0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:56.200 with the with the American police, but that's not what 0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:58.200 I'm talking about here. I'm just talking about the general 0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:02.720 job of being a police person and sounds both completely 0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:05.400 intriguing and I could never do it. 0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:08.479 It's funny. I got I got a tattoo once in 0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:12.600 New Orleans and it was late at night, as often 0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:17.560 tattoos are and the guy was doing it. You know, 0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:19.840 you get to talk and he's working away and we 0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:23.120 were talking and he told me that he had been 0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:23.560 a cop. 0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:24.880 He had been a homicide cop. 0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:32.200 And then during Katrina he was looking at three unsolved 0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:36.680 you know, deaths a day, and he said, I couldn't 0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:38.920 do it anymore. I couldn't do it anymore. It was 0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:40.800 I had to go and do what I really wanted 0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:44.080 to do. I couldn't. I couldn't do that. I always 0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:46.440 wanted to do, you know, to be a tattoo artist. 0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:48.400 And now I'm going to do that. And he's good 0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:51.520 and I've got some good ink from him, and it 0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:56.200 was it's a fascinating story. He said that weird thing. 0:32:56.240 --> 0:33:01.280 He said, civilization and it was a quote from some 0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:03.800 fancy French writer. I don't know. It was civilization is 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.200 three meals away from chaos. 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:11.040 That's beautiful. Wow, that's completely true. 0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:15.680 Yeah, I think so. I mean it's like I always think, 0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:18.200 as well, you know, when when people are saying, you know, 0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:21.640 they're there, there might be riots, and now, well, what's 0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:25.520 the weather like? Because people never riot in the snow. 0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:32.240 It's temperature based. It's effect. It affects the amount of rioting, 0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:33.760 you're going to get totally right. 0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:35.600 And I was thinking, whoever said that quote? 0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:37.720 I feel like they had to be French, because the 0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:40.200 French Revolution is where you learned that lesson. 0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:41.960 Yeah, I think it probably was. 0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:45.120 It was probably with some you know, somebody that was 0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:46.840 up to no good during all that. Do you know 0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:51.160 what apparently during the French Revolution as well, that the 0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:58.560 revolutionary pamphlets were all hidden inside pornography because because the 0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:04.480 fancy pant aristocracy wouldn't look at the the pornography because 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:07.600 it was for poor people. Yeah, and all the people 0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:11.200 would look at the And I'm like, oh yeah, and 0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:14.359 apparently that I feel like I might be making this up, 0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:16.680 but I think there's some truth in it that the 0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:17.600 marquis decide. 0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:21.839 That's why he was so involved in all He was writing. 0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:25.160 These crazy pornographic stories, but also he was in revolutionary 0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:25.680 as well. 0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:30.120 There's a Doris Lessing has a group of books that 0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:33.520 are field reports on planets around the universe and science fiction, 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:36.320 and the first one is a field report on Earth 0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:40.640 from about twenty thousand BC to three hundred years in 0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:42.719 the future, when the world holds the White Man on 0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:46.440 trial for crimes against humanity, okay, And in this arc, 0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:50.359 at one point, one of the benevolent aliens that sort 0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:55.400 of oversees the universe falls. He falls into the sickness 0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:59.279 of rhetoric, all right, and to cure him of his 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:03.240 addiction to rhetoric, they send him to live a short, 0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:05.920 brutal life as a peasant during the French Revolution. 0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:13.359 Oh man, I mean, it's kind of an interesting thing. 0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:16.120 I mean, you're still in San Francisco, right, yeah. 0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:23.000 San Francisco is I've always found a very complicated rhetorical 0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:28.000 environment because on the one hand, there's this very liberal idea, 0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:33.960 but we are very didactic and very hardline liberal idea 0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:38.200 of life, which is hard to navigate. I find it 0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:40.239 hard to navigate if I'm talking a law there, do 0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:40.759 you know what I mean? 0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:42.399 Yea, I feel like it's. 0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:46.719 Quite easy to annoy people and audiences. 0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:49.840 I mean, you know, San Francisco exists in this tension 0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:54.720 between that very open open end in philosophy that everyone 0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:57.439 should try what they want and let their freak flag fly, 0:35:57.600 --> 0:35:58.839 and we're all cool with it. 0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.840 But it's also one of the most beautiful physical places 0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:05.520 on Earth, which means there's a tremendous amount of money here, 0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:09.920 and the tension between the money and that hippie philosophy 0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:12.200 is I think one of the things that defines se 0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:13.160 Francisco well. 0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:15.799 And also then you get into that weird hypocrisy of 0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:19.880 Silicon Valley where they pretend to be flying her freak flag, 0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:24.280 but they are like Andrew Carnegie or. 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:26.920 The Trump one. 0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:31.840 Yeah, the the I always think that it fascinates me. 0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:35.840 Did you read the Vidal book? 0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:39.480 I think it was Hollywood the maybe Hollywood, or it 0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:41.960 may be the one before that. It's a historical novel, 0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:48.520 but he talks about the the feud between William Randolph 0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:54.239 Hurst and Teddy Roosevelt, and and Hurst comes off like 0:36:54.960 --> 0:37:00.800 proto Elon Muskets. It's very interesting. I was like, wow, 0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:04.719 that's a fascinating idea. And you know, Teddy Roosevelt doesn't 0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:11.480 come out but too great either slashes everybody trashes them all. 0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:15.960 I mean, at that level, it's all life among the narcissists, right. 0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:16.839 Yeah, Right. 0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:26.560 When's the first time you went did that tour of Washington? 0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:29.960 Have you done that? Like you go to the Senate 0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:32.160 and somebody takes you around the Capitol building. 0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:34.000 I have never done that. 0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:35.040 Oh man. 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:37.600 They used to what I was doing late night. 0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:39.799 I thought it was a thing that everybody on TV 0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:42.240 did at some point, that they would take you around. 0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:43.560 And I got. 0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:46.440 Introduced to all these different people at the Senate, the 0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:50.120 Senate and Congress and all these different offices. And it 0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:53.120 was a whole day of just like you know, shaking 0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:57.520 hands and schmoozing people. And at the end of the day, 0:37:57.560 --> 0:38:00.759 I was with Megan and I we were sitting at 0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:02.960 the end to day, I thought, Jesus Christ, you know 0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:07.279 what really surprised me. It's fucking stupid. Most of these 0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:14.240 people are there. They're they're like, not that smart, they're 0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:18.440 just like they just kind of honk. They're like geese. 0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:27.239 Believable. But it's it's annoying thing. 0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:30.000 But they've got a very nice museum there, well, a 0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:32.600 couple of nice museums there, but that year in space Museum, 0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:34.919 the Smithsonian in it. 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:38.600 Oh God, I sit on the board. Actually stop, of 0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:42.000 course you do. And right now, actually over at the 0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:47.760 airport at the Udvar Hazy Center, John Glenn's Friendship seven capsule, 0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:52.760 the first American in space, Yes, is sitting about thirty 0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:54.640 feet from a space shuttle. 0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:56.560 Wow. 0:38:56.800 --> 0:39:00.520 To see these two things this like one. 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:07.000 Millimeter thick aluminum container, I know, versus this, you know, 0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:12.759 one hundred and twenty foot long thing, and that that compression. 0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:15.160 Of human ingenuity is a really beautiful thing to stand 0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:15.880 in the middle of. 0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:18.640 Yeah, but it's fair. I mean, that was the thing 0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:22.920 that first fascinated me about America when I was I 0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:25.640 think I was seven years old, yeah, seven when the 0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:30.040 moon landing happened, and I remember seeing it. I was 0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:33.360 allowed to stay up more on television and that's when I, like, 0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:36.000 you start seeing all that American stuff and I was like, well, 0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:37.960 I'd like to hang out with those guys. 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:38.560 What did they do? 0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:41.799 I want to go there because there wasn't any I 0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:43.759 didn't see any Scottish people doing it, But I thought, 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:47.360 what's going on here? What are these people love to 0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:49.719 I find out later it's ald Scottish people coming over 0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:53.560 to America. And you know, but it's a fascinating thing 0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:58.759 because I think the science is part of America's not 0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:02.719 only just the rise of America as as as this 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:09.520 global so omnipresent superpower, but the kind of spiritual soul 0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:13.200 of America is that technology and that strive and that 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:17.040 you know, it's It's kind of like when I hear 0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:20.759 people talk about global warming, which is kind of like 0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:24.640 it is the number one issue, I guess, or climate change, 0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:27.279 And I tend to think I would be interested to 0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:29.680 hear your take on it, because I tend to think 0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:32.800 at this point, we've gone so far it's no longer 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:35.560 an emotive problem. It's an engineering problem. We got to 0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:37.480 we've got to fix a different way. It can't be 0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:41.319 we have to stop Grandma putting her you know, hot 0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:44.560 pocket thing in the correct ben that's not going to 0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:48.120 do anything anymore. It has to be and have you 0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:50.280 been keeping track of anything with that stuff? 0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:50.440 Are you? 0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:51.120 Are you? 0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:52.880 It's that I agree with you. 0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:57.200 It's it's clear now that it's not a behavioral solution. 0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:59.600 There's not a behavioral solution to this problem. 0:40:59.760 --> 0:40:59.960 Right. 0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:02.640 Humans have been given the chance, we have the knowledge, 0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:06.440 we have the data, uh, and we aren't willing to 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:11.200 make the sacrifices, and so the response is will have 0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:15.440 to be reactionary. It'll be, you know, at each stage 0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:18.440 that things get more difficult, what do we do to 0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:20.960 deal with that difficulty? And it's not a great plan. 0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:23.439 It's a terrible way to attack a problem. 0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:26.080 Yeah, But I mean, I feel like it's the only one. 0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:30.640 I mean that the idea of you know, you know 0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:33.880 this is I live in hope that someone develops a 0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:38.040 bacteria that eats plastic in the ocean and shits out 0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:41.640 tiny little you know, sea creatures or you know, these 0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:44.600 seed the clouds that bring the temperature down or even 0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:48.640 or and there is talk about all of these different things, right. 0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:53.080 Yeah, I feel like philosophically, to me, the problem is 0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:57.000 around the framing, weirdly of late stage capitalism, which is 0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:01.040 which is that like late stage capitalism posits that life 0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:04.800 is a zero sum game that my my, if I gain, 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:08.200 if you gain, it's because I lose. And I think 0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:12.240 that's why global warming or behavioral solutions to climate change 0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:15.279 aren't going to work, because everyone has this frame of like, well, 0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:17.160 if I'm going to suffer, who's benefiting? 0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:21.080 Right, instead of what can we do to benefit all 0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:21.480 of us? 0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:26.560 Right? Yeah? That sounds that does no sense politically attractive 0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:27.879 to a lot of people right now. 0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:31.799 Yes, I know, And honestly, the most amazing things that 0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:33.760 have ever happened to me in my life are because 0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:36.200 of collective action of me and a group of people. 0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:39.120 Well, I think that also that I mean, we are 0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:40.960 the sum of the people that came before us. We 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:44.000 all are. And it's funny. I'm in Chicago right now, 0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:47.200 and Chicago always makes me feel like this because it's 0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:49.800 a time that I always associate I don't know why, 0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:53.640 with the nineteenth century and early twentieth century. I guess 0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:57.720 like Prohibition and al Capone and you know, and the World's. 0:42:57.280 --> 0:43:01.160 Fair eighteen ninety seven or the Column ex Position in 0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:02.399 eight ninety five. 0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:05.480 Yeah, right, And so I think of all of that 0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:07.880 when I would walk down on the lake today and 0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:10.400 I look at it and just looking at the buildings, 0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:13.799 and you know, I'm sixty two am you know, and 0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:17.040 I'm thinking it's you're a fucking may fly, man, You're 0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:18.240 a fucking mayfly. 0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:19.520 Yeah. 0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:22.760 And but all of these buildings, all of this stuff, 0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:27.279 all of this this temple of mammon that is Chicago, 0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:30.520 and it's all built by people who have gone. 0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:34.000 Yeah, have you? Chicago has this one. I love Chicago. 0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:35.440 It's one of my favorite grit city. 0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:40.120 And Chicago has an architectural boat tour up the river 0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:43.840 that is one of the great three hour tourist trips. 0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:47.560 To do a three hour tour a three hour tour 0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:52.240 on a bound of Chicago's architecture, everything from why there's 0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:55.280 little buildings on the sides of every bridge to talking 0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:56.560 about the Sears Tower. 0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:58.279 It's a really, really fun that. 0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:01.160 Sounds like I've got the day off today. Actually I 0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:02.799 might try to figure that out. 0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:04.799 Oh, it's a good one. That's a really good one. 0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:09.600 I don't have a three hours to spare, but maybe, 0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:12.279 but maybe I do. Maybe I do have three hours 0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:14.479 to spare. I noticed that I don't know if. 0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:14.719 You have this? 0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:18.120 Are you How are you with your phone addiction? Everyone's 0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:20.440 addicted to their phone. I think, do you have a 0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:21.520 Are you okay with it? 0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:21.919 Yeah? 0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:23.560 Are you strict with yourself? 0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:24.439 No? 0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:26.480 I go easy on myself about it. 0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:29.239 Oh. I have a funny. 0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:31.160 Thing here in the shop, which is that I can't 0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:33.520 I can't pick up my phone and look at web 0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:35.600 pages while I'm standing in my shop. 0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:40.480 Okay, the ethos of this place. That doesn't feel good. 0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:42.560 I have to sit in my shop chair, which is 0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:46.120 in the corner if I want to pause and serve 0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:49.040 a couple of websites. So I almost never look at 0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:51.799 my phone while I'm working here in the cave. But 0:44:51.920 --> 0:44:55.440 at home, Yeah, it's it's it's fucked up my reading. 0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:58.160 My reading is terrible. I used to read all the time, 0:44:58.440 --> 0:45:00.400 and now I have to really push my self to 0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:03.359 put books through my brain because I am a better 0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:04.560 person when I am reading. 0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:09.000 I feel like my my feeling now is that I 0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:14.920 push myself hard into analog experiences. So I don't like 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:17.480 driving cars that have a lot of tech in them. 0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:21.719 I don't like, you know, I don't like. I like 0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:24.520 to go to a theater and talk to an audience 0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:27.000 who don't have their phones with them. You know, they're 0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:30.920 or they're they're not allowed to use them. And or 0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:34.759 a comedy club or a or a or watch a 0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:36.080 theater show and it. 0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:39.040 But it's hard because those I don't. 0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:41.839 I used to think it was my addictive personality, because 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:44.919 I clearly have one, but I don't think. I think 0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:47.759 everyone has a fuck I look at everyone seems to 0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:50.920 be kind of drawn into this mess. It's weird. 0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:54.120 Neil Stevenson wrote a book a few years ago called 0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:57.120 Seven Eves and I'm gonna spoil it right now, but 0:45:57.200 --> 0:45:58.960 it's been out for years, so I don't think that's 0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:02.600 go And in it, the moon blows up and starts 0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:05.840 to break into chunks that are going to make Earth uninhabitable, 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:10.239 and the book spans people leaving the Earth in order 0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:13.480 to survive and then going back to it several thousand 0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:14.080 years later. 0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:15.360 Wow. 0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:18.280 And when they go back to it, they have access 0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:21.239 to all the technology that existed on Earth, and one 0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:22.719 of the things they do is, yeah, we're not going 0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:24.120 to do smartphones this time. 0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:25.719 That didn't work out for everybody. 0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:26.920 That's great. 0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:30.160 Isn't that that beautiful? Yeah? 0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:33.920 There's a book by I think I can't remember the 0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:34.560 author's name. 0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:35.040 He is great. 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:37.600 I've read Evan, he's done Richard Harris. 0:46:37.640 --> 0:46:42.719 Maybe is that a guy who wrote the trilogy about Ciceroule. 0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:44.319 I don't know it. 0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:47.320 Oh, he's great, but he wrote He wrote a book 0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:51.840 called Second Sleep, which is set in. 0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:53.800 Fourteen eighty three. 0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:59.839 After the so the second Middle Ages, after the apocalypse, 0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:05.360 and as a guy starts finding old technology and starts 0:47:05.400 --> 0:47:08.640 to realize what happened, because you know, it's exactly like 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:11.560 the Middle Ages, where in fact you're you're a couple 0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:13.799 of chapters in the book before you know, he picks 0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:16.759 up something and he sees the little Apple logo on it, 0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:19.960 and you go, what the fuck? It because you think 0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:22.640 you're in the Middle Ages and then suddenly you're not. 0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:27.600 You're in the Middle Ages again. It's a fascinating, fascinating book. 0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:30.960 I was just reading a thought experiment from some researchers 0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:31.560 that were like. 0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:33.080 Okay, if. 0:47:34.480 --> 0:47:37.319 If there, if it's possible that there was an intelligent 0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:41.480 civilization of some kind of creature before human beings on 0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:45.840 Earth that existed, you know, pre Pangaea, because there's actually 0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:49.800 been there's another Pangaea that predates Pangaea. And so all 0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:52.719 of the surfaces of all the land masses on Earth 0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:56.440 have turned over, and you know, sedimentary layers have built up. 0:47:57.239 --> 0:48:01.080 What when you look for to look for a civilization 0:48:01.200 --> 0:48:04.959 that existed that long ago, what sort of non random 0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:10.680 things would give you a hint that intelligence had yielded 0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:13.279 some sort of effect on Earth's. 0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:16.600 Atmosphere, on its land masses, and we would you look for? 0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:21.600 Well, this is the thing they were just opening up 0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:26.719 the thought experiment. But there's a lovely guy, Lee Cronin. 0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:31.360 He's over in Scotland or Ireland, and he's we were 0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:34.360 at a dinner party talking about what is a reasonable 0:48:34.360 --> 0:48:36.279 definition of life? And he said, I got it. I've 0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:39.479 got the simplest definition of life. Life, he said, makes 0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:46.839 non random shit at scale. Yeah, all right, that's pretty good, 0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:48.320 isn't that unimal? 0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:53.040 Yeah? I read something recently about you know, the I 0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:56.480 can't remember the name of it. It's passed the doortage, 0:48:56.480 --> 0:49:01.080 but it was about the idea of the more successful 0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:04.200 forms of life on Earth, and that was postulating the 0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:08.360 idea that wheaked is the most successful form of like 0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:11.200 on Earth because you know, it takes up the most 0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:15.080 grounded everybody needs it. It's you know, it's now I 0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:17.840 was thinking, I also try that with Louis c. K 0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:20.759 had a bet which I loved about humans are the 0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:23.800 most successful because we're not in the food chain anymore 0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:30.400 and tweak most certainly fucking as And I think because 0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:33.640 just it's a different perspective on this, the same thing. 0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:37.320 I once saw biologists give a talk from the frame 0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:41.680 of sheep and cows were really smart when they traded 0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:44.120 sexual selection for protection from humans. 0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:46.120 Oh, but. 0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:54.440 Just I love an alternate frame of Yeah, well, I 0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:55.080 think the mover. 0:49:56.239 --> 0:50:00.920 I think that ultimately, where I come back to, or 0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:03.600 where I am at the moment anyway, is that I 0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:07.080 kind of feel like I'm with the stoics, which is 0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:11.640 the only thing you really can control is your attitude 0:50:12.120 --> 0:50:15.319 to what's happening. Everything else is outside your control. You 0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:16.680 can look at it, you can see it, you can 0:50:16.680 --> 0:50:19.480 absorb it a bit, but so few things can actually 0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:24.080 be altered by anything other than the way you think 0:50:24.160 --> 0:50:24.520 about it. 0:50:24.840 --> 0:50:27.680 Well, this is like, this is one of my favorite 0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:33.520 Buddhist prayers actually, or slogans is and it's actually it's 0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:37.120 important enough that Julia, my wife, wrote this down for 0:50:37.200 --> 0:50:39.920 me and put it in my wallet. And it's germane 0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:41.040 to what you've just said. 0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:43.959 And it's about the fact that you know, we come here, 0:50:44.000 --> 0:50:46.560 and we leave here, and we're not here for very long, 0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:48.560 and we don't have much that we can get done 0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:51.160 in the time we're here. But the last part of 0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:55.960 this is, my actions are my only true belongings. I 0:50:56.000 --> 0:51:00.200 cannot escape the consequences of my actions. My actions are 0:51:00.200 --> 0:51:01.480 the ground on which I stand. 0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:05.120 That seems like a great place to tie it all up. 0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:10.560 Well done, it's lovely, it's lovely to catch up with 0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:12.560 you atam. It's been way too long. I'll be in 0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:15.600 San Francisco. I've got to be there soon. I'm on tour. 0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:18.840 It's got to be in the future, will can you 0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:22.640 and Julian and I please have been please? Yes, it's 0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:24.680 been way too long, She sends her love. 0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:25.839 I told her I was doing this. 0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:28.960 In fact, Megan's saying turns to you, add to her. 0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:31.360 So it's all good. We're back, we're back in the game. 0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:32.200 But I love it. 0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:34.200 I love you, my friend. It's good to see. 0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:34.959 You, all right. 0:51:35.320 --> 0:51:38.000 Think it easy.