Speaker 1: I don't even know where to start with this one.
Speaker 1: So first of all, I just have to announce that
Speaker 1: we are coming to you live from backstage at after
Speaker 1: the final rows. I mean, how do we sum this
Speaker 1: up into one word? Becca? I mean, barb is what
Speaker 1: I've been saying, But I'm speechless. You guys, we have
Speaker 1: so much to get into, so much to talk about,
Speaker 1: Batcher Nation, Batchler Happy Hour listeners. I know you were
Speaker 1: upset that we didn't have a podcast yesterday, but my god,
Speaker 1: was it not worth the way? Were we not all
Speaker 1: waiting for what was going to happen tonight? We have
Speaker 1: a special guest with us in studio today. But first
Speaker 1: I just have to say that I'm so happy that
Speaker 1: I am not doing this alone like I had to
Speaker 1: women till all, I have my wonderful co host with
Speaker 1: me Becca Cooper, and it's end. The buildings are back.
Speaker 1: I'm back. I am here off the road, taking a
Speaker 1: break from the tour for a couple of days. And Rachel,
Speaker 1: as you said, I mean, obviously we could have had
Speaker 1: a podcast today, but there was so much that was
Speaker 1: left unsaid that we had to see go down. So
Speaker 1: now you're getting the full JUSTI of everything that we
Speaker 1: saw in the past two days, which I mean this
Speaker 1: entire season was a crazy wild ride, and this evening
Speaker 1: just really I think summed everything that we've seen in
Speaker 1: the past ten weeks up in one night. And my
Speaker 1: mind is I mean, I feel like I'm kind of
Speaker 1: shaken right now. My mind is still a little bit blown. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think what's so great is, I'll be honest,
Speaker 1: we didn't get a lot of answers tonight. I feel
Speaker 1: like we heard a lot of talking, and there was
Speaker 1: a lot of talking in circles except for one person
Speaker 1: who I'm so thankful we get to talk to tonight.
Speaker 1: A lot of circular talking. And I think that what's
Speaker 1: going to be so great about our podcast tonight is
Speaker 1: that we're going to unravel exactly what happened. We're going
Speaker 1: to get down to it. We're going to ask the
Speaker 1: hard questions that weren't asked on stage, and we're going
Speaker 1: to make sure we get those answers that we know
Speaker 1: Vatchination needs. So we're going to talk to some people tonight,
Speaker 1: But I am so excited that we are talking. Wait,
Speaker 1: let me give you a drum roll. We need a
Speaker 1: drum roll for the person, only one person, one tonight,
Speaker 1: and that person is Hannah Ann. Hannah Anne, Welcome to
Speaker 1: Bats for Happy Hour. Thank you guys, happily. Well we
Speaker 1: I mean I needed personally first say when I first
Speaker 1: met you five seconds ago, you walked in and I
Speaker 1: was hugging you, and I felt like I wanted to
Speaker 1: just take you under my wing because throughout this entire
Speaker 1: journey that I've had for years, there's probably only one
Speaker 1: other person who has now experienced things like I have experienced,
Speaker 1: and that is you. And let me first start by saying, yes,
Speaker 1: we're so excited to have you. We can't wait to
Speaker 1: dive in and get your side of everything. But the
Speaker 1: way you handle things when Peter ended things and even
Speaker 1: tonight on stage, it was with so much grace and dignity.
Speaker 1: But I looked up to you in a way you
Speaker 1: said the things that you had to say, and when
Speaker 1: I was in your position, I was so I think
Speaker 1: blinded and nervous and anxious and feeling like so constricted
Speaker 1: that it was finally nice to see a badass woman
Speaker 1: stand up there and say what she needed to say
Speaker 1: to put Peter in his place. And as Rachel said,
Speaker 1: I really do feel like you're the winner of tonight
Speaker 1: because you handled it with so much dignity. I'm so
Speaker 1: happy that you're here. And I think I speak on
Speaker 1: behalf of all of Batnation when I say our hearts
Speaker 1: broke for you. I mean we were watching backstage and
Speaker 1: I truly felt how I felt years ago. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: so thank you for being here. Thank you for putting
Speaker 1: your heart and everything, your love life on the line.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a weird it's a weird world when
Speaker 1: it's for other people's entertainment, but you handled everything beautifully,
Speaker 1: and I keep saying with so much grace, but thank you.
Speaker 1: It was Thank you, guys, it was great. And I
Speaker 1: like the whole time that we were watching what happened tonight,
Speaker 1: Becca and I just like kept like chatting like two
Speaker 1: little girls. And Becca kept saying that she understood you
Speaker 1: and what you went through. And I know that we're gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, dive into that even further into the podcast.
Speaker 1: But this is the first podcast that you've done, as
Speaker 1: you said, so thank you so much for doing our
Speaker 1: podcast first. And you can stop after that all off,
Speaker 1: But because no one has talked to you, and then
Speaker 1: the first time we really heard you speak. I really
Speaker 1: want to get start from the beginning because we saw
Speaker 1: you one way and then we do not It's one
Speaker 1: of the things that we did not get the answer to,
Speaker 1: even with you talking and standing up for yourself, we
Speaker 1: did not understand how it got to where it did,
Speaker 1: and we're so help hoping to get those answers tonight.
Speaker 1: So I really want to get into it because I
Speaker 1: feel like you have been unfairly judged, and I'll even
Speaker 1: say that I did it as well. You know, I
Speaker 1: first time we talked to Peter and I saw you
Speaker 1: still him so many times I compared you to Luke
Speaker 1: p I was like, is she a little bit luke Pish?
Speaker 1: And he said, no, she's not, and he was like
Speaker 1: really defensive. So I was like, Okay, we got it.
Speaker 1: She's going some places. No. But I feel like one
Speaker 1: one theme in y'all season is that there was a
Speaker 1: lack of communication and people weren't really communicating their feelings
Speaker 1: and their thoughts. You got a lot of heat for
Speaker 1: it as well, but tonight you put all that to rest.
Speaker 1: So let's kind of start from the beginning with you know,
Speaker 1: you getting the first impression Rows and how that night
Speaker 1: went down and so I guess one, did you think
Speaker 1: you were going to get it? And did you feel
Speaker 1: like you had a target on your back? And this
Speaker 1: is pre champagne cake. Let's just oh yeah, yeah. So
Speaker 1: the first night, you know, getting the first impression, I
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of girls around, and I
Speaker 1: wanted you know, I was excited to see Peter. You know,
Speaker 1: we film all night long, hours and hours and hours,
Speaker 1: so the times that I would go up and see
Speaker 1: him again hours have passed. I'm like, of course I
Speaker 1: want to go see him again if I get the opportunity,
Speaker 1: I want to go speak with him again. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been waiting to like speak with him, and I'm
Speaker 1: here for a purpose. My words have a purpose and
Speaker 1: meaning behind them, and I was excited to get to
Speaker 1: know him. Plus, if I'm taking the time to start
Speaker 1: this journey, I want to be sure if we even
Speaker 1: have a connection. You know, I enjoyed spending time with
Speaker 1: the other girls, but at the forefront of my mind
Speaker 1: was always going to be Peter and seeing if we
Speaker 1: had that connection, and if I didn't ever feel that,
Speaker 1: I would have parted ways. You know, we weren't you
Speaker 1: worried about being that girl, that girl who's going to
Speaker 1: be the one stealing him because you didn't know you
Speaker 1: were going to get the first impression risk. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: did that not cross your mind at all? Because I
Speaker 1: know at one point you said, I'm not typically like this,
Speaker 1: but we couldn't tell right right, And I think in
Speaker 1: the beginning I came off completely like the wrong way,
Speaker 1: and looking back on it, I'm like, oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: like that was not what I wanted to come across as.
Speaker 1: But I was just focused on me and Peter and
Speaker 1: tried to keep that at the forefront of my mind
Speaker 1: at all times and enjoyed the entire process, even if
Speaker 1: that meant, you know, spending time with the girls. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, when I was there
Speaker 1: Peter and Peter only and trying to figure out and
Speaker 1: give our give us the best shot. Well, and I
Speaker 1: will say because we did sit down with Peter at
Speaker 1: the very beginning and I asked him, I was like,
Speaker 1: did you like that that hannah An stole you so
Speaker 1: many times? And he did. He was all for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said he was wanting to talk to me more
Speaker 1: that night. Yeah, okay, so he liked it, so clearly
Speaker 1: it was reciprocated on both ends. It wasn't like he
Speaker 1: was like, who's this crazy girl who keeps stealing me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I know it might seem like I was pressing myself
Speaker 1: on him, but he was telling me he wanted to
Speaker 1: talk to me more that night, you know, and opportunities
Speaker 1: were presented to me to talk to him, and it
Speaker 1: spent a couple of hours. I'm like, sure, yeah, he
Speaker 1: told me to talk to him again, so I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to So feelings were, you know, on both
Speaker 1: sides wanting to communicate and talk more. Yeah, it worked,
Speaker 1: it did, It clearly did. And then we go on
Speaker 1: to I mean fast forward a little bit. This whole
Speaker 1: Champagne gate, which was champagne was such a common theme.
Speaker 1: I feel like throughout what was your take? Because when
Speaker 1: we recapped that week, I was saying, you know, there's
Speaker 1: clearly the show does certain things. They said up certain
Speaker 1: things to you know, stir the pot and to cause
Speaker 1: that drama. And I really truly was like, I don't
Speaker 1: think Hannah knew that that was a cute sent for
Speaker 1: her and Peter, so we didn't think you did it maliciously.
Speaker 1: But what was your take when that all went down.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. When all that went down, I was
Speaker 1: really blindsided by it and I didn't know how to
Speaker 1: handle it, and um, you know, and the end, me
Speaker 1: and Kelsey were able to like, you know, put aside
Speaker 1: our differences and become friends because we were like, hey,
Speaker 1: we have like you know, a couple more weeks with
Speaker 1: each other, hopefully, like we have to pull you know,
Speaker 1: we have to put this bull crap aside and like
Speaker 1: learned to you know, be friends or at least live
Speaker 1: like in the same house together. Um. So when all
Speaker 1: that went down, I was like, oh crap, Like I've
Speaker 1: never had that conflict like this, Like how do I
Speaker 1: handle this? So like I was just trying to be
Speaker 1: as logical as possible and just be like, hey, I
Speaker 1: didn't steal your champagne, and like that came across maybe
Speaker 1: just some people as like coldhearted, but I was just
Speaker 1: trying to like be as straightforward and concise as possible
Speaker 1: and not let the emotions get to me. And it
Speaker 1: did upset me. I remember that night. I cried all
Speaker 1: night long. And I'm some of the girls in the
Speaker 1: house where like you know, they can add like people
Speaker 1: like like the other girls need to see the side
Speaker 1: of you, like they need to see that you're upset
Speaker 1: and see that you didn't mean that. But in the moment,
Speaker 1: I was just trying to be as clear as possible
Speaker 1: with her so she knew that my point got across.
Speaker 1: I did not steal your champagne. That's where you know
Speaker 1: I'm not a champagne. I was just trying to like,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll let her know that. And I get it.
Speaker 1: I mean I never was in a sorority. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have a big group of girlfriends. But when you're
Speaker 1: living with twenty plus people from all across the country,
Speaker 1: people that you don't know, you don't know how they interact,
Speaker 1: how they process things, it's a really scary thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I and I think you handled it well, I
Speaker 1: will say, I mean I would have probably done the same.
Speaker 1: I would have been like, look, I can't feel this
Speaker 1: fire so much. I'll say what I have to sail
Speaker 1: confront it and like hopefully it dies. But it's really
Speaker 1: people I don't think realize how scary that first week is.
Speaker 1: Like it's all unknown, so you have no idea what
Speaker 1: to expect with the lead, with the production aspect, with
Speaker 1: living with so many people, and so it's it's unturned
Speaker 1: territory that no one, no one should actually know how
Speaker 1: to handle that, right, right. And me and Kelsey didn't
Speaker 1: know each other at that point, so we didn't kind
Speaker 1: of know, you know, how we both you know, how
Speaker 1: we both respond to situations are very different. But what
Speaker 1: I know now about her and what she knows now
Speaker 1: about me, it would have been completely different. I mean
Speaker 1: that was like day five, so we didn't know each
Speaker 1: other at all, which would have changed, you know, both
Speaker 1: of our responses to the situation. I think what was
Speaker 1: hard for people to handle is you were so cool,
Speaker 1: calm and collected in your response. And I remember saying
Speaker 1: I was like, I probably would have responded the same
Speaker 1: way that it came across as nonchalant, right, And I
Speaker 1: was like, I think that it's being misunderstood because I
Speaker 1: got it. I was like, kudos to her, like, I
Speaker 1: don't even think I could have handled it that well.
Speaker 1: I think the one thing was that I think you
Speaker 1: said it was bullying her, and yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: a word that we throw out around too often. She
Speaker 1: definitely cursed you out, which was wrong. She was wrong
Speaker 1: and how she handled it, for sure, But I think
Speaker 1: the way you had handled it, I didn't think you
Speaker 1: needed to cry and match her emotion in that. I
Speaker 1: thought that the way that you handled it to kind
Speaker 1: of diffuse the situation and it didn't create a Finasco.
Speaker 1: Talk about that Fco that happened. Yes, she is, and
Speaker 1: what happened this whole season has been a Finasco. And
Speaker 1: that's my cap on the whole entire season. I was
Speaker 1: actually gonna you know the right word, right, yeah, finasco.
Speaker 1: Can you say the right word right? Fiasco? Fiasco. I
Speaker 1: was trying to give you. I was trying to give
Speaker 1: you a chance. You know what I like to say, Finasco.
Speaker 1: And but for the record, you do know it's fiasco. Yes,
Speaker 1: but you should trademark Finasco. Finasco. There's something you should.
Speaker 1: It's just like, and you know what's so funny is
Speaker 1: that in the moment I said that, and I had
Speaker 1: no idea that I even like misspoke, Like I no idea,
Speaker 1: and like that's not even like a word that I
Speaker 1: had used in the bass. I don't know why you
Speaker 1: said it in your vocabulary. I had no idea where
Speaker 1: that came from. Look, your brain was jumbled that first
Speaker 1: week a lot went down. I would have been making
Speaker 1: them my own I do still make up my own words,
Speaker 1: so I don't blame you for that. Um, so we
Speaker 1: go on. Well, of course we see you form friendships
Speaker 1: like you and Kelsey seems. Yeah, she's a really sweet girl,
Speaker 1: you guys. Yeah, she doesn't have a mean bone in
Speaker 1: her body. She's very right. How to get past the
Speaker 1: champagne champagnie women's hell off, she was cool. I didn't
Speaker 1: steal your champagne. After that, she became like a really
Speaker 1: great friend, honestly, And you're still friends. Yeah, we are,
Speaker 1: we are. She's a really nice person. So let's jump.
Speaker 1: Let's just just move on. Well, you know you got roses,
Speaker 1: we were. We knew you were a front runner, you know,
Speaker 1: after you won the modeling thing, which totally should have
Speaker 1: How those is that revolved that you're wearing are the
Speaker 1: revolt close? Working like a girl's dream right? Like, just
Speaker 1: to be able to get twenty five twenty four thousand
Speaker 1: dollars worth whatever it was worth a clothes, Does it
Speaker 1: face your it? No, it's not, and it show that's
Speaker 1: a good problem to happen. So I want to just
Speaker 1: just get right to fantasy. Suits because you have a
Speaker 1: meme that's going around where you're looking and I wish
Speaker 1: you guys. You guys know that's where happy our listeners
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about, where you're like, it's
Speaker 1: the best meme ever with the brown and the squinty
Speaker 1: guys like say what, no, that's that's what the face is.
Speaker 1: So we learn in the Fantasy Suite. We all know
Speaker 1: what goes down to Fantasy Suite. Nobody, whether you've watched
Speaker 1: Bapsort or not, you know what Fantasy Suite is about.
Speaker 1: And in this Fantasy this week, you guys all stay together, right,
Speaker 1: which is crazy. But Chris Harrison gave us the breakdown.
Speaker 1: Hi Chris Harrison, as you said when you saw him
Speaker 1: at the proposal, which we cantle that normally people say
Speaker 1: Hi Chris, you said, Hi Chris Harrison, I will do
Speaker 1: so much like some people, you have to do that.
Speaker 1: I was nervous, no, but it was the cutest thing.
Speaker 1: Hi Chris Harrison. But Chris Harrison explained why you guys
Speaker 1: were all together, so we don't have to delve into that.
Speaker 1: But you learn about Madison. You learn her thoughts about
Speaker 1: Fantasy Sweet Week, which at that point she had shared
Speaker 1: with you, but she hadn't shared with Peter himself, right, Um.
Speaker 1: And then it became this whole ultimatum thing. Was it
Speaker 1: an ultimatum? Was it not? I'm asking you? Was it
Speaker 1: an ultimatum? Was an ultimatum? You know? For me, me
Speaker 1: and Madison are just two different people. We make different decisions.
Speaker 1: And I felt completely uncomfortable that entire weekend that I
Speaker 1: even knew, you know, the conversations that she was wanting
Speaker 1: to have with Peter. I was just wanting to focus
Speaker 1: on me and him and not let anything distract me
Speaker 1: from that. So thinking that it's an ultimatum between Madison
Speaker 1: and Peter um, not necessarily because I think Madison was
Speaker 1: doing what was best for her. But that's not an
Speaker 1: ultimate That's not the definition of an ultimatum is like,
Speaker 1: if you do this, then this, Yes, it's like, doesn't
Speaker 1: matter motive behind that, because it's not wrong to believe
Speaker 1: what you believe and to feel that. But nobody's that.
Speaker 1: I never judged her for that. Was I taken back
Speaker 1: by it? Yes? Because I didn't want to be involved
Speaker 1: in it. I don't want to have these conversations with anyone. Um,
Speaker 1: you know about them and Peter. I was focused on me,
Speaker 1: and so when she was telling me, you know, she
Speaker 1: felt like he couldn't do certain things for her to
Speaker 1: move forward with him. I was just kind of like
Speaker 1: gave her a look of a what were you close
Speaker 1: with her in the house? Yeah? Yeah, I was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was close with her. I want to know did
Speaker 1: she talk because we didn't see her bring up this
Speaker 1: conversation with Peter and tell the very end. And was
Speaker 1: this something because I feel like when I was on
Speaker 1: ra season with all the girls, we talked about a lot,
Speaker 1: like everything was out in the open. There wasn't many
Speaker 1: secrets between us. So was this something that was brought
Speaker 1: up in the in the house with all of the
Speaker 1: girls beforehand or was that the first time you were
Speaker 1: hearing about it too. I think when we sat down,
Speaker 1: we you know, had to have that conversation about her
Speaker 1: telling Peter her standards and stuff. You know, I gave
Speaker 1: that look because I was kind of taken back by it.
Speaker 1: So you hadn't heard it before? No, I was thinking
Speaker 1: and my I knew, you know, she had certain lifestyle
Speaker 1: values and I knew that they didn't line up with Peters.
Speaker 1: But I was thinking that they might have had that
Speaker 1: conversation weeks before, and we should prior, but my face
Speaker 1: is kind of like, oh gosh, I don't want to
Speaker 1: get involved in this, like you know you do you
Speaker 1: know for me, I was never intending to give Peter
Speaker 1: a hall pass of you do whatever you want. My
Speaker 1: intention was I see the big picture and me and
Speaker 1: you truly began after all this is over, after when
Speaker 1: it's just me and you, And that was my intention
Speaker 1: behind it. I just wanted him to, you know, focus
Speaker 1: on him and try to be as understanding as possible
Speaker 1: the amount of stress and pressure he's under. And if
Speaker 1: we meet each other and the end great, that's when
Speaker 1: we start. Yeah, that's when it's just about me and you.
Speaker 1: It's an uncomfortable week period, no matter what your values are.
Speaker 1: It's just uncomfortable knowing while I sitting here something else
Speaker 1: is going on. Like it it gets to everybody. Becca
Speaker 1: and I have both been there on both sides of it.
Speaker 1: I just want to know you went first, and obviously
Speaker 1: Victoria and then Madison. Do you think had well a
Speaker 1: had you guys all been removed from each other and
Speaker 1: be it gone in a different order, would things have changed? No?
Speaker 1: Because I think Peter Madison hold different lifestyles or lived.
Speaker 1: I think Peter Madison lived different lifestyles and hold different values.
Speaker 1: And I don't think this is exactly just an issue
Speaker 1: with the Fantasy seas. I think it's lifestyles and how
Speaker 1: you see life and how you judge everything out of life.
Speaker 1: So it's so interesting that you say that, because, like
Speaker 1: Becca was saying, as women in the house, you chitchat
Speaker 1: and you talk. You get to know each other better
Speaker 1: than you get to know whoever the lead is. So
Speaker 1: you're saying, you say you knew that they had different
Speaker 1: lifestyles and they were on different pages. As a viewer,
Speaker 1: we didn't get that till week seven, and it was
Speaker 1: only that we got that they were different as far
Speaker 1: as religion. We had no idea they had different lifestyles.
Speaker 1: But obviously you were privy to that information. So Madison
Speaker 1: made a point during Fantasy Sweet Week where she said
Speaker 1: to Peter, I've been struggling this entire time, and I've
Speaker 1: been having a really hard time. Is that something that
Speaker 1: you saw in the house. Yeah, so we didn't see that,
Speaker 1: and and what did you see? I saw? You know,
Speaker 1: she was struggling with the week and just knowing that.
Speaker 1: I think she was coming to the realization that they
Speaker 1: live very different lifestyles, which is hard to kind of
Speaker 1: comprehend when you're in when you're on the show and
Speaker 1: you're not in your lifestyle. You're not on your day
Speaker 1: to day basis of your hobbies and like your schedule
Speaker 1: and how you live your life. So I think that
Speaker 1: was trying. I think at that point that was coming
Speaker 1: very apparent to her, and I think that that's what
Speaker 1: she was struggling with, along with just the stress of
Speaker 1: Fantasy Fantasy Sweet Week, which is stressful for anyone. I
Speaker 1: do want to get to the whole lifestyle thing in
Speaker 1: a bit because it leads me into some questions like
Speaker 1: after you and Peter, we're already together, so can we
Speaker 1: fast forward? Yeah, because I want to get to the juicy,
Speaker 1: the juicy part everyone. So obviously the last week you
Speaker 1: met the family, they fell in up with you. Madison
Speaker 1: at the family, it wasn't this, it wasn't the same,
Speaker 1: and that you know, I don't want to talk about
Speaker 1: Madison too too much because she's not here. I want
Speaker 1: to focus on you and your time with Peter. So
Speaker 1: you get to that last week and you had absolutely
Speaker 1: then no idea that Madison had left early. Correct, no idea.
Speaker 1: So when he told you, because we've seen the proposal,
Speaker 1: he's standing there and we also didn't know if you
Speaker 1: were going to show up at first. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you're kind of making us wait. So you get to
Speaker 1: that moment and he's in the middle of this speech
Speaker 1: to you where it shouldn't be about you, guys, and
Speaker 1: he goes, but Madison left two days ago, and in
Speaker 1: that moment, I don't know if you guys caught it,
Speaker 1: but when he said Madison, his tone switched a little bit,
Speaker 1: and all he says is that all he said. I
Speaker 1: want to know it was he just like she left
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, and then goes on to
Speaker 1: all these great things about you. Yes, yes, it was
Speaker 1: completely downplayed. Didn't give me the courtesy or respect to
Speaker 1: have a sit down conversation. Hey, this is what's been
Speaker 1: going on this week, this is where my headspace is at.
Speaker 1: Let's talk this through. Didn't owe me that, just told
Speaker 1: me that very quickly and downplayed it, and then immediately
Speaker 1: went to but my heart chooses you and your love
Speaker 1: my life. But I don't want to spend forever with you.
Speaker 1: Did you get an inkling that kind of what we
Speaker 1: saw happen post engagement was going to happen that night,
Speaker 1: because we never usually see someone say I don't know
Speaker 1: if I want to show up right. Usually when you
Speaker 1: get to that point, that person is ready to go there,
Speaker 1: whether they're going to accept a proposal, they have no idea.
Speaker 1: You were struggling before the engagement. Why was that because
Speaker 1: we never really got those answers. Yeah, my instincts were
Speaker 1: telling me I wasn't getting all the information I needed
Speaker 1: to make a decision with Peter. And that's intuition. That's intuition,
Speaker 1: and that's instincts. And should I have stayed on that
Speaker 1: bed in Australia, Absolutely, But I wasn't going to give
Speaker 1: up on someone that I loved and he the last
Speaker 1: words he told me on our last chance date was
Speaker 1: that he was going to make the decision that's best
Speaker 1: for both of us and to trust him. And when
Speaker 1: you're with someone, you know, this is a wacky situation,
Speaker 1: but I'm taking it for what it is. When you're
Speaker 1: with someone, you trust their words. Yeah, and that's why
Speaker 1: I showed up. So I was going to trust his
Speaker 1: words and follow through and in the end, I think he,
Speaker 1: you know, took advantage of the fact that he conveniently
Speaker 1: left out very important information prior to me making a
Speaker 1: commitment with them. And you know, as the audience is
Speaker 1: watching this for the very first time, I'm just like
Speaker 1: an average viewer, Like I'm just like everyone else watching this,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of information was left out, which is
Speaker 1: why Boucher happy our listeners. I need to reiterate this
Speaker 1: because I was the same way when I was in
Speaker 1: your position. This is Hannah Ann's first time truly watching
Speaker 1: this all go down. Yes, she lived it, but there
Speaker 1: are so many pieces to this entire puzzle that she
Speaker 1: missed that she didn't see, and so she was backsage
Speaker 1: watching it, just like we all were watching it. And
Speaker 1: so I'm sure in those moments and even now, there's
Speaker 1: going to be a lot that you're still processing. Can
Speaker 1: I ask you a question when you say that there
Speaker 1: was a lot you didn't see, are you just talking
Speaker 1: about what happened post engagement or are you also talking
Speaker 1: about what you watched the entire this whole journey, like
Speaker 1: all these weeks, this entire season, the entire season entirely,
Speaker 1: like explained about that really it was Peter wanted me
Speaker 1: to stay with him, and he downplayed his feelings towards
Speaker 1: Madison completely, and even you know, after our breakup, he
Speaker 1: couldn't really own up to it and reached out to
Speaker 1: my parents and said that he you know, basically that
Speaker 1: he was struggling processing all of his emotions. That's what
Speaker 1: he left at and it was very vague. He speaks
Speaker 1: half truths, and so when while I'm watching this season,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, well, okay, that may solve our sense,
Speaker 1: Like this why we broke up makes a whole lot
Speaker 1: more sense because he couldn't really own up to the
Speaker 1: fact of how he was truly feeling. I want to
Speaker 1: know too. So after okay, so after you guys did
Speaker 1: get engaged, and he was very vague about oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: Madison left two days ago, but you guys still ended
Speaker 1: up together. You have days when you're together before I'm
Speaker 1: sure you flew back to the US, before you know,
Speaker 1: you got back to your normal life. Did he in
Speaker 1: those moments ever disclose more of why she left? Did
Speaker 1: you guys get into that conversation. No, he always whenever
Speaker 1: that conversation was brought up, it was always like, this
Speaker 1: is the past, and always made sure to reassure me
Speaker 1: that I was his person, that I was loved life,
Speaker 1: and that he was always going to choose me. So
Speaker 1: always kind of went in with that reassurance to where
Speaker 1: I'm like, hmm okay. But as a season started to roll,
Speaker 1: things weren't quite adding up. And so let's break this
Speaker 1: down because I'm an evidenced, like logical, I need to
Speaker 1: see how things timeline out. Yeah, so we talked to Peter.
Speaker 1: So you get engaged somewhere around a week before Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: around that time, you're together this whole time. We talked
Speaker 1: to Peter first week in January, he tells us he
Speaker 1: is so happy. We talked to his parents. As we
Speaker 1: can see, Barb cannot control her emotions and she was
Speaker 1: happy at that time. So if it wasn't you, we
Speaker 1: would have already known she was not okay. So the
Speaker 1: season has started, y'all are still together? Yeah? When did
Speaker 1: you have the conversation that we saw happen on TV TV?
Speaker 1: You know, like I said on stage, beginning of January,
Speaker 1: was when he approached me that he needed to speak
Speaker 1: with Hannah Brown. Yeah, that's the first red flag. But
Speaker 1: start talk about that he told me he need to
Speaker 1: talk to Hannah Brown. Yes, he told me he needed
Speaker 1: to talk to Hannah Brown because he needed closure. Did
Speaker 1: he not get that? I was trying to convince me
Speaker 1: that I should feel comfortable with that, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: why did he need closure? Why do you We were
Speaker 1: engaged right and just listen, I wasn't on that group
Speaker 1: date with him and Hannah Brown. Yeah. I had not
Speaker 1: seen that episode of them all cozy cozy up in
Speaker 1: accout him crying and her possibly coming back in the house.
Speaker 1: I had no idea, like none, and so when he
Speaker 1: brought that up, I'm like, wait, what, Like, I know
Speaker 1: she came back in the season, but can you explain more?
Speaker 1: And that was kind of when the episode was coming out,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, why should I feel comfortable with this?
Speaker 1: This is something that I feel like if you don't,
Speaker 1: you don't seem like you're ready for any kind of commitment,
Speaker 1: let alone an engagement. Yeah, that was the first red flag,
Speaker 1: and I was questioning my own self because he was
Speaker 1: trying to convince me that that is something that he needed,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I just I don't quite feel settled
Speaker 1: with that. So did he get the closure? No, that
Speaker 1: was that was pretty close. I think that was like
Speaker 1: a week before we broke up. So he never reached
Speaker 1: out to her, He never tried to come or it
Speaker 1: was Hannah Brown code for oh, let me maybe have
Speaker 1: conversations with other women aka Madison, where he was trying
Speaker 1: to open up the door and like test the waters
Speaker 1: and see how you felt. I probably, I don't quite know.
Speaker 1: That was so close to us breaking up, and then
Speaker 1: there was that going on, you know, and then there
Speaker 1: was the whole Oh the season started and I have
Speaker 1: unresolved issues. I'm like, what's unresolved issues? I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: by your side. I gave you my word to be
Speaker 1: by your side, and his unresolved issues we're having to
Speaker 1: watch back the show once again. He completely downplayed it completely.
Speaker 1: And you know, when I showed up to the breakup,
Speaker 1: that was the very first time I heard him say
Speaker 1: I can't give you my full heart. And I told
Speaker 1: him before I even went out there, I said, hey,
Speaker 1: like you're wanting to in things, giving me a little
Speaker 1: bit of heads up. I'll be fine, trust me, I'll cry,
Speaker 1: you know, just just giving me a heads up. And
Speaker 1: we actually had talked that morning that we weren't going
Speaker 1: to break up, that we were going to work through it.
Speaker 1: When was this, um February, February, the very end of January,
Speaker 1: very end of January. So y'all went all through December, Christmas. Cool.
Speaker 1: It's fine. You never had any inkling that he was
Speaker 1: because you during your breakup you kept saying I know
Speaker 1: you've been struggling, and I'm here for you. That that
Speaker 1: didn't start till January. That did not start till January.
Speaker 1: I'm like, because one of the one of the questions
Speaker 1: we had when we were watching was seeing how happy
Speaker 1: he was to go get that ring for you, Nileing.
Speaker 1: We were sitting with Ni Ling watching tonight, and he
Speaker 1: was like, the man I saw get that ring is
Speaker 1: not the man that I see now, Like just totally
Speaker 1: different he was. He was ecstatic, approsing, he was kissingures
Speaker 1: of the day of Peter, kissing them the ring he
Speaker 1: picked out. So I think what we're all trying to understand,
Speaker 1: like Becca and I but also just like our listeners
Speaker 1: batter Nation, is what happened. I yet the Hannah Brown unresolved.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that was. But with whatever he
Speaker 1: said to you, where you started for you to say
Speaker 1: when you were headed to la Hey, if we're breaking up,
Speaker 1: let me know what was happening, because that's not the
Speaker 1: first thing I would say. Yeah, I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: like what he told my parents. Even after a breakup,
Speaker 1: he was having trouble processing all of his emotions. Peter
Speaker 1: does not own up completely to the full truth. Just
Speaker 1: kind of like on our engagement day, he knew that
Speaker 1: if he told me the full extent of where his
Speaker 1: heart and head was at that entire week, he knew
Speaker 1: the outcome would have been different. He knew that when
Speaker 1: we sat down had to open an honest conversation, my
Speaker 1: instincts would have picked up on that he was not
Speaker 1: ready for a commitment. I think that's not what he wanted.
Speaker 1: I think the Peter that we've seen all season is
Speaker 1: he's a hopeless romantic. He kind of he has his
Speaker 1: head in the clouds where I think he hypes himself
Speaker 1: up to think he wants certain things, and it's not
Speaker 1: until he can take a step back or start rewatching
Speaker 1: this season where he sees the things that he now
Speaker 1: can't have. And I will say, like when I was
Speaker 1: still with Ari, because we were together for about a
Speaker 1: month and a half had three happy couples together, Like
Speaker 1: you guys, you know, I knew he had been startling,
Speaker 1: and he felt guilty for how things went down with
Speaker 1: obviously Lauren and I'm sure the other girls, like that's
Speaker 1: just a human instinct, but it wasn't. You know. He
Speaker 1: started watching this season back. Our season started when we
Speaker 1: were still together, and he said he watched our season,
Speaker 1: our first episode because we the first date. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'm more in love with you now
Speaker 1: than I ever was. And then fast forward to the
Speaker 1: next week where I wasn't on that date with him,
Speaker 1: and he started seeing other things. And I think it's
Speaker 1: in that moment where you watch it back as a man,
Speaker 1: because I don't think I got this as a woman,
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to try to kind of process and
Speaker 1: put my feet were what am I trying to say,
Speaker 1: put my feet in his shoes? Whatever? Yeah, where he
Speaker 1: started then watching it back and started seeing his first
Speaker 1: date with Maddie and realizing the feelings were buried that
Speaker 1: he couldn't, as you said, quite on up to and
Speaker 1: acknowledge are hard human beings to try the thing that
Speaker 1: I think makes me feel for you is that we
Speaker 1: see him get down on one knee. Well, did we
Speaker 1: see him get down on one knee? He did get down.
Speaker 1: I think I missed the part. I think I was
Speaker 1: so frazzled on it. But you're like, you know, he
Speaker 1: gets engaged you, he proposes you, he promises you all
Speaker 1: these things without being fully honest, and for everyone listening,
Speaker 1: for all the men out there, if you think that
Speaker 1: you have to do a certain thing because it's gonna
Speaker 1: make us feel better, don't like, be honest with us
Speaker 1: and give us the respect and the courtesy to make
Speaker 1: our decisions. Maybe had you known the full extent of everything,
Speaker 1: who knows what have happened, you could have very easily said,
Speaker 1: you know, I love you, I want to be with you,
Speaker 1: I want to work through things. Maybe an engagement won't
Speaker 1: necessarily happen, But every woman and man who's on the
Speaker 1: show too deserves that respect and deserves the truth. And
Speaker 1: so I don't know exactly what happened. I mean, nothing
Speaker 1: really surprises me by Peter. Watching back the season has
Speaker 1: actually been really helpful for me because it's helped me
Speaker 1: work through any unresolved feelings that had towards him. Because
Speaker 1: I'm able to see how he is consistently indecisive and confusing,
Speaker 1: and who wants to be with that? And that doesn't
Speaker 1: make me feel secure in being with him. And so
Speaker 1: it's really helped me move forward because I know I
Speaker 1: deserve more than just someone giving, you know, than someone
Speaker 1: just half loving me. You know, I deserve someone hut,
Speaker 1: you know, someone who's gonna give me a one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: And I felt like me being so clear and not
Speaker 1: playing mind games with him, that he would give me
Speaker 1: that return, but really he was just reckless with my heart.
Speaker 1: Well when he had been, he had said all season
Speaker 1: I want someone to love me as much as I
Speaker 1: love them, and that was you. You gave that to him,
Speaker 1: You did, you loved him more of anything, and so
Speaker 1: I think he didn't. I think he went into this
Speaker 1: season thinking one thing, thinking it was going to be
Speaker 1: this magical, like beautiful, super easy, great seas love story,
Speaker 1: and that wasn't the case, and I think he couldn't
Speaker 1: quite own up to what it was he truly wants
Speaker 1: and needs in a partner. All Right, Bachelor Happy Our
Speaker 1: Listeners Part two with the amazing Hannah and will be
Speaker 1: coming up this Friday. But you know, we have to
Speaker 1: get into everything that happened during the finale. So Rachel,
Speaker 1: we got to dive in. You and I need to
Speaker 1: talk Beck up. We need to talk about what we saw.
Speaker 1: So Hannah Ann came out. She was a boss. She
Speaker 1: killed it, She said her piece. She put Peter in
Speaker 1: his place. He couldn't even defend himself. All he could
Speaker 1: say was you're right. So the second half of the
Speaker 1: episode we deal with what happened with Madison. Chris Harrison
Speaker 1: goes to her. I'm gonna sum this up real quick
Speaker 1: because we just want to get to the meat of it.
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison goes to see Madison. Madison says she's still
Speaker 1: into Peter, and she goes out to fly with Peter.
Speaker 1: We don't know the exact timeline. We don't know how
Speaker 1: much time was. It seemed like it was very quick.
Speaker 1: Seemed like she hopped on a plane and flew out
Speaker 1: with Chris Harrison to La. That's how it was presented
Speaker 1: to right. She gets to La, Peters no idea, who's
Speaker 1: going to see here? They see each other, they say
Speaker 1: they have this. There's so much to talk about. Of course,
Speaker 1: in true fashion this season, we see them talk about
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing other than they have feelings for each other,
Speaker 1: and then it cuts to Peter talking about Madison. We
Speaker 1: see Madison come out, We see them sitting there there,
Speaker 1: seem happy, but they're not touching. There seems to still
Speaker 1: be some space in between them, and we see them
Speaker 1: once again kind of dance around what it is that
Speaker 1: they are. We still are they boyfriend girlfriend? We know
Speaker 1: they're not engaged. We obviously know they're not married. And
Speaker 1: one thing we learn for sure is that Barbe and
Speaker 1: the rest of the family and apparently the friends as well,
Speaker 1: do not approve of their relationships. So Becca, that sums
Speaker 1: up what we saw. Where do we even start to
Speaker 1: begin about it? I mean, all of that being said,
Speaker 1: what was your take when it came to watching what
Speaker 1: went down tonight? Because I didn't expect any of this.
Speaker 1: You could read a spoiler an article, have your own
Speaker 1: preconceived notions, but you didn't know it was going to
Speaker 1: go down like this. No, And the best way I
Speaker 1: can describe it is when we first sat down with
Speaker 1: Peter at the very beginning of his season, he said
Speaker 1: he felt like there was something new and crazy thrown
Speaker 1: his way every week, and I feel like that didn't
Speaker 1: stop even through the finale, and like, think of everything
Speaker 1: that went down tonight, people, the main craziest part should
Speaker 1: have been that switched rou in the breakup with Hannah
Speaker 1: Ann and it wasn't. It was everything that played out
Speaker 1: after and Rachel, as you said, we don't know, we're
Speaker 1: Madison and Peter stand. We don't know what is going on.
Speaker 1: We don't even know if they're in a relationship, if
Speaker 1: they're not in a relationship. Rachel is currently holding up
Speaker 1: a picture of Madison right now, and I don't know
Speaker 1: what that means. But Laura K Publications just couldn't help
Speaker 1: herself and put posted a picture of Madison her new
Speaker 1: client about how she's the epitome of a class acts.
Speaker 1: So Madison already has a manager slash pr person slash
Speaker 1: agent who couldn't wait five seconds to posts that this
Speaker 1: is her new client. I'm sorry, Becca, I know that
Speaker 1: you're talking and I'm so distracted, but it just so
Speaker 1: goes into something that we talked about this season when
Speaker 1: it comes to we couldn't understand and I really wish
Speaker 1: we had the opportunity to talk to Madison, and I
Speaker 1: really wish we had the opportunity to talk to Peter
Speaker 1: about why are you here when you're looking for a
Speaker 1: certain type of man who has certain values, certain standards,
Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with that. You should want what
Speaker 1: you want for yourself. But the confusing part comes in
Speaker 1: you're looking for him in a place where usually those
Speaker 1: type of men don't dwell and as we have understood,
Speaker 1: as we understand, Peter is not that type of man
Speaker 1: for you, which is his parents and friends concern. And
Speaker 1: in trying to figure out the logical way of what
Speaker 1: could her possible motivation reason be for being here, one
Speaker 1: of those is that she wants to experience the platform,
Speaker 1: the Bachelorette, the followers, whatever. And I just find it
Speaker 1: very coincidental that she has hired a manager slash pr
Speaker 1: person slash agent to represent her, which we know prior
Speaker 1: to the season being over with, because that person posted
Speaker 1: her on International Women's Day and the season was still
Speaker 1: going and now could miss a beat to let everybody know, Hey,
Speaker 1: if you want deals on Madison, I represent her, which
Speaker 1: makes me question her motives this entire time. I'm sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: I know Madison fans are going to come after me,
Speaker 1: but I'm sorry. You have to be logical about this. Situation.
Speaker 1: Hannah Anne told us she doesn't even have one, and
Speaker 1: this girl's been modeling for years. Yeah, no, Rachel, you
Speaker 1: are talking to a rule follower here, because there are
Speaker 1: certain timelines that we have to adhere to as the
Speaker 1: lead and getting representation, and at that point doesn't add up. I,
Speaker 1: for one, don't even have an agent still, and I've
Speaker 1: been Bacherette, i mean two years ago, and I still
Speaker 1: just do most things myself. So you know, as you
Speaker 1: just mentioned, you're probably going to get a lot of
Speaker 1: backlash for that. But that's on the case people. I mean,
Speaker 1: Rachel's calling it like it is, and it's a very
Speaker 1: strange scenario that we find ourselves in after this whole
Speaker 1: Bachelor world. But it doesn't add up. It's very interesting
Speaker 1: to me given the timeline of everything. Yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense that aside. I like, my main takeaway from
Speaker 1: tonight is we watched last night's episode and we watched
Speaker 1: Madison send herself home two days before the finale because,
Speaker 1: as she said, their lifestyles and their morals don't line up,
Speaker 1: they don't match, so she removes herself. Okay, that's one
Speaker 1: thing good for her in that moment, for standing up
Speaker 1: for what she believes, what she thinks is right and logical. Yes,
Speaker 1: nothing since then has changed though, besides Peter is still
Speaker 1: saying he loves her. Yeah, you know, guess Chris Harrison
Speaker 1: flew out to Auburn to tell her that Peter was
Speaker 1: engaged and then ended this engagement because he still loves medicine.
Speaker 1: But regardless, like their lifestyles are still the same, he
Speaker 1: was still engaged. She had an issue with him being
Speaker 1: intimate with women in the fantasy suite. Well, what do
Speaker 1: you think happened during those couple months when he was engaged.
Speaker 1: He had a woman he was engaged to being intimate with.
Speaker 1: Nothing has changed. I just don't understand how if I
Speaker 1: understand her feeling, even if I don't agree with it,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that I don't understand it. I understand
Speaker 1: the feeling of how difficult that is to accept a
Speaker 1: proposal from someone that you know that just was intimate
Speaker 1: with other a woman or other women where we don't
Speaker 1: know for sure. So that's fine, that's what you believe in.
Speaker 1: What people have been so proud of her and praising
Speaker 1: her for is that she has these morals and these convictions,
Speaker 1: and she holds true to them. Now, you know, as
Speaker 1: you were saying, Becca, he got down on one knee
Speaker 1: and said he wanted to give his whole heart and
Speaker 1: spend the rest of his life with another woman. Has
Speaker 1: spent time, you know, cultivating that relationship, and then breaks
Speaker 1: it off and says he, well, he didn't tell her
Speaker 1: he wanted her, but you knew that he broke it off.
Speaker 1: And I think Chris Harrison said it was because of her,
Speaker 1: so she did know. And you're so easily willing to
Speaker 1: take him back. It's, you know, the same people who
Speaker 1: were praising her for that. How can you still hold
Speaker 1: true that, Oh she knows what she wants and she
Speaker 1: deserves better, But yes, she goes running back to him,
Speaker 1: And there's just so many contradictions. It's so confusing that
Speaker 1: I understand why his family has their concerns, which brings
Speaker 1: us to a whole another topic. They had that camera
Speaker 1: on poor Barb with I don't even think she knew
Speaker 1: the whole time. Oh my gosh, I felt so bad
Speaker 1: for her. I mean, I'm a person who cannot control
Speaker 1: my facial expressions. Becca, you say you can't control your hands.
Speaker 1: You don't know what to do with them in a picture.
Speaker 1: I cannot control my facial expressions, so I just wear
Speaker 1: it all all my face. And this is a mother,
Speaker 1: you guys. You may not agree with her, but this
Speaker 1: is a mother who is concerned about the well being
Speaker 1: and the heart of her son, and she wants somebody
Speaker 1: who loves her son unconditionally. And she had that with
Speaker 1: Hannah Anne. Yes, maybe her delivery was a little bit off. Yes, Rachel,
Speaker 1: as you said, it is a mother and I am
Speaker 1: not a mum, but I can only imagine that protectiveness,
Speaker 1: that mother bear instinct that you have for a children
Speaker 1: a child, and we saw that with her and all
Speaker 1: she wanted she's been saying this the entire time, is
Speaker 1: that she wants somebody to love her son the same
Speaker 1: way she fell in love with her husband. And she
Speaker 1: saw that with Hannah Anne. Now one thing that I'm
Speaker 1: glad that she brought up. And maybe this is the
Speaker 1: moment where she should have been cut off after she
Speaker 1: said this the first time, but she said, you know, Madison,
Speaker 1: when she came in after having this great moment with
Speaker 1: Hannah Anne, Madison came in. She made them wait for
Speaker 1: three hours. She didn't say sorry, you know, apologies for
Speaker 1: making you wait. This is already a long process as
Speaker 1: it is, like they've been waiting to see their son.
Speaker 1: They've only seen him for one day in the span
Speaker 1: of a couple months, and so that in itself, I'm
Speaker 1: sure it's frustrating. But and Barb discloses very briefly today
Speaker 1: to us and on the TV. But when she had
Speaker 1: that moment with Madison, and it wasn't aired, but she
Speaker 1: asked Madison, do you love my son? And Madison in
Speaker 1: that moment said no. So as a mom, I can
Speaker 1: only put myself in that position and say, well, I
Speaker 1: have one woman here who's all in, wholeheartedly ready to
Speaker 1: give herself to my son, and one who, at this
Speaker 1: moment in time, you know he's already to get engaged tomorrow,
Speaker 1: is saying no, I don't love your son. Of Course
Speaker 1: she's gonna have questions. Of course she's going to call
Speaker 1: that out to Peter and say maybe she's not the
Speaker 1: one for you. And now, granted, people, I know that
Speaker 1: there's a lot that we don't see. You know, we're
Speaker 1: trying to make a show in a two hour period
Speaker 1: once a week. There's so much that goes down. But
Speaker 1: going off of what we know that is alarming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Blake, let's break this down what you said. So
Speaker 1: a lot of times people say to us, you know,
Speaker 1: you're not taking into consideration what you didn't see. Well,
Speaker 1: you're welcome, you guys, to bar because she told you
Speaker 1: what you didn't see. So just imagine last night. You
Speaker 1: hear Barbe express her feelings and you see her crying,
Speaker 1: and you see her saying but she's just not into you,
Speaker 1: She's not here for you, and you're wondering, how in
Speaker 1: the world is she saying that. Then people go on
Speaker 1: social media and are all in Barbe's comments and they're
Speaker 1: saying all these things to her. So Barb feels the
Speaker 1: need to defend herself. Okay, whether you agree with her
Speaker 1: or not, she felt the need to speak her truth.
Speaker 1: So what did she do the first opportunity she was
Speaker 1: given the chance to do it? She spoke her truth.
Speaker 1: And she explained to you guys that three hours or
Speaker 1: she waited three hours for Madison to come speak to her,
Speaker 1: and Madison did not even want to come in and
Speaker 1: meet the parents. How would that make you feel as
Speaker 1: a family member, possibly meeting your fiance of your son,
Speaker 1: the potential fiance of your son. The girl doesn't even
Speaker 1: want to walk in and meet you. Then she does
Speaker 1: come in and meet you, and that's only because your
Speaker 1: son begged her to come in. How do you accept
Speaker 1: somebody into your family when that's how you're starting off.
Speaker 1: Then when she does come inside, she doesn't even have
Speaker 1: the courtesy to apologize for the three hours she kept
Speaker 1: the family waiting, So you're already setting this scene and
Speaker 1: this mood for the family to come and talk to you.
Speaker 1: Then Barb Reville that when she did talk to her,
Speaker 1: as Becca stated, she said, I don't I don't love
Speaker 1: him when asked, and she said she wouldn't accept a proposal.
Speaker 1: So of course Barbe is crying knowing that her son
Speaker 1: is maddening in love with a girl who does not
Speaker 1: reciprocate those feelings. And that is the emotion that you're
Speaker 1: seeing come from Barb. So before you judge her and
Speaker 1: you jump on her, Yes, Beck and I both agree
Speaker 1: she took it just a little too far and aired
Speaker 1: a little too much information. But in that moment, in
Speaker 1: what she said, that she is giving you the background
Speaker 1: that you guys so desperately beg for, and you're still
Speaker 1: holding it against her because we've seen social media today
Speaker 1: and you guys are ripping Barb. That is what I
Speaker 1: just like, don't think it's fair, and I don't understand
Speaker 1: how when she said that, and she put it back
Speaker 1: the ball back in Madison in Pete Peter's court. What
Speaker 1: was Madison's response? Nothing. She never addressed what Barbe said.
Speaker 1: She never addressed saying she wasn't in love with Peter.
Speaker 1: She never addressed saying she wouldn't accept a proposal, that
Speaker 1: she made them wait for three hours, that she didn't
Speaker 1: want to meet them. She skirted over that and simply
Speaker 1: responded by saying, I have always been myself this entire time.
Speaker 1: And what did the audience do? Clap? I will say this, though,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot that went down tonight that
Speaker 1: was painful to watch and to take in. I really
Speaker 1: am struggling with the lack of conversation. Yeah, between I
Speaker 1: wanted her to explain why she did that, and she
Speaker 1: did and she just said I've been myself and you
Speaker 1: guys clapped. But she did say one thing that I
Speaker 1: will say warranted a good response from the audience, as
Speaker 1: she said, it's not just Peter finding love, it's me too,
Speaker 1: and it's fifty fifty, which I will back her up
Speaker 1: in that regard and say, yes, girlfriend, it is fifty fifty.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. But still there was that lack of communication.
Speaker 1: There was that lack of conversation. She didn't address the
Speaker 1: conversation with Barb that Barb had brought up. Also to
Speaker 1: the moment when we saw Madison go back to la
Speaker 1: and see Peter for the first time, I mean, clearly
Speaker 1: he was shocked, as he said he thought it was
Speaker 1: Chris walking behind him. But in that moment too, when
Speaker 1: they reunited, there wasn't really any depth to that conversation either,
Speaker 1: other than love and Rachel you said it best when
Speaker 1: we were talking to Hannah Anne is that it's a room.
Speaker 1: Ever for the most part, vateranation is made up of
Speaker 1: hopeless romantics. It's a room of people who want the lead,
Speaker 1: and these people on TV two find love. That's the
Speaker 1: base of it. And yes, Peter's expressing that to Madison,
Speaker 1: But there needs to be more than that. There needs
Speaker 1: to be more addressed than just I love you. I
Speaker 1: ended my engagement for you. Like all of the reasons
Speaker 1: why you guys ended in the first place are still
Speaker 1: there and that needs to be brought up because me
Speaker 1: as a viewer, and I've said this all season, is
Speaker 1: that I feel like I'm missing so much. I guess
Speaker 1: my thing is is the whole It's fifty fifty and
Speaker 1: that's right, But are you giving fifty fifty because that's
Speaker 1: not what we're saying. And then also, it's my journey. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's true. It is your journey, and nobody's taking that
Speaker 1: away from you. But we're trying to understand the contradictions
Speaker 1: that are within your journey. We're trying to understand where
Speaker 1: you are with Peter and where your heart is. Because
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I didn't see it on that stage tonight.
Speaker 1: I don't doubt that Peter and Madison have love for
Speaker 1: each other. I a hundred percent agree with that. But
Speaker 1: what I saw on that stage tonight, all I saw
Speaker 1: was that it's not if this is going to end,
Speaker 1: it's when it's going to end. The odds are always
Speaker 1: against you already, And if you don't believe what I'm
Speaker 1: saying or what Becca saying, can we talk about the
Speaker 1: voice of reason in the family, Pete Senior. When Pete
Speaker 1: Senior spoke, he said, when you're in the beginning of
Speaker 1: a relationship, that's when it's light and it's fun, and
Speaker 1: you're so like two getty kids getting to know each other.
Speaker 1: And that has not been the case for Madison and Peter.
Speaker 1: It's been difficult. It's been hard. They're so opposite to attract.
Speaker 1: But your morals and your values have to be the same,
Speaker 1: and that what Peter's family is saying is that they're
Speaker 1: not on the same level. So this relationship is kind
Speaker 1: of doomed. If Madison is really that strong into her convictions,
Speaker 1: which no one's faulting her for, then you can't possibly
Speaker 1: want the type of man that Peter is, which again
Speaker 1: that's not a problem for him, that's who he is.
Speaker 1: It it just won't work. It's just you can want
Speaker 1: to see them together and want love for Peter and
Speaker 1: want love for Madison, but the two of them together,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't work. And if you didn't think, if
Speaker 1: you thought it was because they were different in their
Speaker 1: lifestyles and their values. Now, add on top that the
Speaker 1: family does not like her. The family does not get
Speaker 1: along with her, and she went back at Barbe not
Speaker 1: faulting her for defending herself at all. I probably would
Speaker 1: have done the same thing, but on Live TV went
Speaker 1: back and forth. It is clear that there is tension
Speaker 1: there that they don't get along. Peter's very into his
Speaker 1: family and there's just no way that Madison herself is
Speaker 1: going to want to be a part of a family
Speaker 1: that's not into her and that doesn't accept her, which
Speaker 1: Barb just said in front of millions and people, in
Speaker 1: front of the whole world, like it's doomed. And it's
Speaker 1: sad to say that because we wanted Peter to find love,
Speaker 1: but it's doomed. Yeah. And one thing too, like playing
Speaker 1: into feelings and emotions. You know, I'm I really try
Speaker 1: to watch body language, and tonight we saw out on stage.
Speaker 1: But even last night, in the date that Peter and
Speaker 1: Madison had together, when he's trying to convince her to
Speaker 1: come meet his parents, there's the physicality there is lacking,
Speaker 1: like she there. If people please will go back and
Speaker 1: watch that moment from yesterday, there's moments where Peter tries
Speaker 1: to go in to kiss her, to hold her, and
Speaker 1: she's like recoiling from him. And then tonight you get
Speaker 1: on stage and I remember, you know, granted my situation
Speaker 1: with Garrett a couple years ago during my finale is
Speaker 1: completely different from this. I cannot compare the two. But
Speaker 1: in this moment, for the most part, this should be
Speaker 1: you're finally in public together, you can finally say so,
Speaker 1: there's names in front of everyone. There should be some
Speaker 1: sort of excitement and giddiness and like I couldn't keep
Speaker 1: my hands off Garrett and the couches seem to get
Speaker 1: smaller here by here on the stage. But when Peter
Speaker 1: and Madison were sitting on it together, it's like they
Speaker 1: weren't touching whatsoever. It was like they I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just felt off to me. It felt very strange.
Speaker 1: And of course, as you said, yes there was tension
Speaker 1: with the family and Barbe had met with his friends too,
Speaker 1: But still, if you still want to make this relationship work,
Speaker 1: you still have to have some sort of communication internally
Speaker 1: with each other. And if they want to make this work,
Speaker 1: like Peter, have her back, like grab or hold her close,
Speaker 1: like do something to reassure her in this moment, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it just wasn't there. It should have taken up
Speaker 1: for her, Like I don't agree with going up against
Speaker 1: your family like that, and I definitely believe in respect,
Speaker 1: but I felt like he, like you said, he should
Speaker 1: have butted in a bit and defended her a little
Speaker 1: bit more. Yeah. Well, and we were watching it and
Speaker 1: in that moment, I'm like, Peter, stand up for her,
Speaker 1: have her back, say something. You know. We saw him
Speaker 1: be like, well, dad, say something. But it's like, if
Speaker 1: that was my man, I would want him to have
Speaker 1: my back regardless. Yeah, and I would want to feel
Speaker 1: safe and secure in that moment. Goods terrifying. You're on
Speaker 1: You're in front of a live audience on live TV
Speaker 1: with millions of people watching. Yeah, like you need to
Speaker 1: be together if that's what you're trying to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you hit the nail on the head because you
Speaker 1: knew how your family felt about her before we did tonight,
Speaker 1: and so you should have been prepared to fight for
Speaker 1: your relationship just a little bit more. If you choose Madison,
Speaker 1: then stand behind and behind it and fight for it
Speaker 1: and fight for what you guys have. And we didn't
Speaker 1: see that from them tonight. I just this whole thing.
Speaker 1: It was more. We've been calling this season a shit show,
Speaker 1: but tonight it really was the culmination of that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was way way crazier than I expected. My advice
Speaker 1: to Peter and Madison at this point would just be like,
Speaker 1: you just need to go away from the public and
Speaker 1: find yourselves, because I do know what it's like for
Speaker 1: everybody to have an opinion about your relationship, and sorry,
Speaker 1: this is what we do on this podcast. We have
Speaker 1: opinions about what we just saw, so I get that,
Speaker 1: but you need to go away from the spotlight do
Speaker 1: you and figure yourselves out without anybody else having their
Speaker 1: own opinion, even his family. Madison and Peter need to
Speaker 1: define who they are away from everybody else. I'm not
Speaker 1: quite sure what's going to happen. I hope she focuses
Speaker 1: on their relationship and if you're going to come back
Speaker 1: to Peter and knowing what you're walking into because she
Speaker 1: kind of got into it with the mom before, then
Speaker 1: I hope that you give it your all and I
Speaker 1: hope that's your focus more than whatever your new career.
Speaker 1: I want to end it on a high note, though,
Speaker 1: because we've this entire season, we've seen so much stuff
Speaker 1: go down, and tonight that was no exception. But we
Speaker 1: did introduce one other badass lady to the stage, which
Speaker 1: was our upcoming back store at Claire Crawley, which you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't get to see too much of her. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of bummed because I was hoping she'd be able
Speaker 1: to meet a couple of her guys that she will
Speaker 1: soon be dating. But she is going to be a
Speaker 1: brother of fresh Air, I think for us, and I
Speaker 1: really liked not to bring up anyone's past, but I
Speaker 1: liked the scene that Chris pulled up of her with
Speaker 1: Juan Pablo and putting him in his place and saying
Speaker 1: what she had to say, because we know going into
Speaker 1: this upcoming season she's not going to be afraid to
Speaker 1: call out guys. I think she's gonna nip the bullshit
Speaker 1: in the butt when she can, and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: such a different vibe from what we've seen in Peter's season,
Speaker 1: i think in the couple of seasons past. So I'm
Speaker 1: really excited and looking forward to Claire agreed. I feel
Speaker 1: like the franchise has spoken, they heard you, Bachelination. They're
Speaker 1: wiping the slate clean. I think we've gone through this
Speaker 1: phase of leads and I think we're a little over
Speaker 1: it at this point with the outcomes that we've received.
Speaker 1: So it'll be nice to see what Claire brings to
Speaker 1: the table because it's gonna be something different. So I
Speaker 1: hope you guys are excited as we are to watch it,
Speaker 1: and you know we'll be covering it here on bats
Speaker 1: were happy. I also really the hope that Claire finds
Speaker 1: love and there's an engagement, because I want to see
Speaker 1: what a lasting ring looks like, because I feel like
Speaker 1: they've been so brief we can barely even see them
Speaker 1: these past couple of seasons. That's well said. We need
Speaker 1: more of the got to put an l into work,
Speaker 1: all right, So let's put a pen in it because
Speaker 1: we've got more for you guys. You're welcome coming up
Speaker 1: on Friday. We've got part two of our Hannah and
Speaker 1: interview because we just couldn't get enough of her. We
Speaker 1: had to keep the conversation going, and we know you
Speaker 1: guys want to hear a whole lot more from her,
Speaker 1: So Friday we'll be back