WEBVTT - EXCLUSIVE: Hannah Ann Interview, Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know where to start with this one.

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<v Speaker 1>So first of all, I just have to announce that

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<v Speaker 1>we are coming to you live from backstage at after

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<v Speaker 1>the final rows. I mean, how do we sum this

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<v Speaker 1>up into one word? Becca? I mean, barb is what

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<v Speaker 1>I've been saying, But I'm speechless. You guys, we have

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<v Speaker 1>so much to get into, so much to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>Batcher Nation, Batchler Happy Hour listeners. I know you were

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<v Speaker 1>upset that we didn't have a podcast yesterday, but my god,

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<v Speaker 1>was it not worth the way? Were we not all

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for what was going to happen tonight? We have

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<v Speaker 1>a special guest with us in studio today. But first

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<v Speaker 1>I just have to say that I'm so happy that

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<v Speaker 1>I am not doing this alone like I had to

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<v Speaker 1>women till all, I have my wonderful co host with

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<v Speaker 1>me Becca Cooper, and it's end. The buildings are back.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm back. I am here off the road, taking a

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<v Speaker 1>break from the tour for a couple of days. And Rachel,

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<v Speaker 1>as you said, I mean, obviously we could have had

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast today, but there was so much that was

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<v Speaker 1>left unsaid that we had to see go down. So

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<v Speaker 1>now you're getting the full JUSTI of everything that we

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<v Speaker 1>saw in the past two days, which I mean this

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<v Speaker 1>entire season was a crazy wild ride, and this evening

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<v Speaker 1>just really I think summed everything that we've seen in

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<v Speaker 1>the past ten weeks up in one night. And my

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<v Speaker 1>mind is I mean, I feel like I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 1>shaken right now. My mind is still a little bit blown. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think what's so great is, I'll be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't get a lot of answers tonight. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we heard a lot of talking, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of talking in circles except for one person

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<v Speaker 1>who I'm so thankful we get to talk to tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of circular talking. And I think that what's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be so great about our podcast tonight is

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<v Speaker 1>that we're going to unravel exactly what happened. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get down to it. We're going to ask the

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<v Speaker 1>hard questions that weren't asked on stage, and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure we get those answers that we know

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<v Speaker 1>Vatchination needs. So we're going to talk to some people tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>But I am so excited that we are talking. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>let me give you a drum roll. We need a

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<v Speaker 1>drum roll for the person, only one person, one tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>and that person is Hannah Ann. Hannah Anne, Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Bats for Happy Hour. Thank you guys, happily. Well we

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I needed personally first say when I first

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<v Speaker 1>met you five seconds ago, you walked in and I

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<v Speaker 1>was hugging you, and I felt like I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>just take you under my wing because throughout this entire

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<v Speaker 1>journey that I've had for years, there's probably only one

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<v Speaker 1>other person who has now experienced things like I have experienced,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is you. And let me first start by saying, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we're so excited to have you. We can't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>dive in and get your side of everything. But the

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<v Speaker 1>way you handle things when Peter ended things and even

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<v Speaker 1>tonight on stage, it was with so much grace and dignity.

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<v Speaker 1>But I looked up to you in a way you

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<v Speaker 1>said the things that you had to say, and when

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<v Speaker 1>I was in your position, I was so I think

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<v Speaker 1>blinded and nervous and anxious and feeling like so constricted

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<v Speaker 1>that it was finally nice to see a badass woman

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<v Speaker 1>stand up there and say what she needed to say

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<v Speaker 1>to put Peter in his place. And as Rachel said,

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<v Speaker 1>I really do feel like you're the winner of tonight

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<v Speaker 1>because you handled it with so much dignity. I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>happy that you're here. And I think I speak on

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<v Speaker 1>behalf of all of Batnation when I say our hearts

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<v Speaker 1>broke for you. I mean we were watching backstage and

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<v Speaker 1>I truly felt how I felt years ago. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>so thank you for being here. Thank you for putting

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<v Speaker 1>your heart and everything, your love life on the line.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's a weird it's a weird world when

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<v Speaker 1>it's for other people's entertainment, but you handled everything beautifully,

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<v Speaker 1>and I keep saying with so much grace, but thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Thank you, guys, it was great. And I

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<v Speaker 1>like the whole time that we were watching what happened tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>Becca and I just like kept like chatting like two

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<v Speaker 1>little girls. And Becca kept saying that she understood you

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<v Speaker 1>and what you went through. And I know that we're gonna,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, dive into that even further into the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is the first podcast that you've done, as

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<v Speaker 1>you said, so thank you so much for doing our

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<v Speaker 1>podcast first. And you can stop after that all off,

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<v Speaker 1>But because no one has talked to you, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the first time we really heard you speak. I really

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<v Speaker 1>want to get start from the beginning because we saw

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<v Speaker 1>you one way and then we do not It's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that we did not get the answer to,

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<v Speaker 1>even with you talking and standing up for yourself, we

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<v Speaker 1>did not understand how it got to where it did,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're so help hoping to get those answers tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>So I really want to get into it because I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you have been unfairly judged, and I'll even

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<v Speaker 1>say that I did it as well. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>first time we talked to Peter and I saw you

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<v Speaker 1>still him so many times I compared you to Luke

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<v Speaker 1>p I was like, is she a little bit luke Pish?

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, no, she's not, and he was like

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<v Speaker 1>really defensive. So I was like, Okay, we got it.

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<v Speaker 1>She's going some places. No. But I feel like one

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<v Speaker 1>one theme in y'all season is that there was a

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<v Speaker 1>lack of communication and people weren't really communicating their feelings

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<v Speaker 1>and their thoughts. You got a lot of heat for

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<v Speaker 1>it as well, but tonight you put all that to rest.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's kind of start from the beginning with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you getting the first impression Rows and how that night

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<v Speaker 1>went down and so I guess one, did you think

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<v Speaker 1>you were going to get it? And did you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you had a target on your back? And this

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<v Speaker 1>is pre champagne cake. Let's just oh yeah, yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>the first night, you know, getting the first impression, I

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a lot of girls around, and I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted you know, I was excited to see Peter. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we film all night long, hours and hours and hours,

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<v Speaker 1>so the times that I would go up and see

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<v Speaker 1>him again hours have passed. I'm like, of course I

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<v Speaker 1>want to go see him again if I get the opportunity,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go speak with him again. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been waiting to like speak with him, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>here for a purpose. My words have a purpose and

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<v Speaker 1>meaning behind them, and I was excited to get to

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<v Speaker 1>know him. Plus, if I'm taking the time to start

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<v Speaker 1>this journey, I want to be sure if we even

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<v Speaker 1>have a connection. You know, I enjoyed spending time with

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<v Speaker 1>the other girls, but at the forefront of my mind

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<v Speaker 1>was always going to be Peter and seeing if we

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<v Speaker 1>had that connection, and if I didn't ever feel that,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have parted ways. You know, we weren't you

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<v Speaker 1>worried about being that girl, that girl who's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the one stealing him because you didn't know you

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<v Speaker 1>were going to get the first impression risk. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>did that not cross your mind at all? Because I

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<v Speaker 1>know at one point you said, I'm not typically like this,

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<v Speaker 1>but we couldn't tell right right, And I think in

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning I came off completely like the wrong way,

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<v Speaker 1>and looking back on it, I'm like, oh my goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>like that was not what I wanted to come across as.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was just focused on me and Peter and

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<v Speaker 1>tried to keep that at the forefront of my mind

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<v Speaker 1>at all times and enjoyed the entire process, even if

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<v Speaker 1>that meant, you know, spending time with the girls. But

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, when I was there

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<v Speaker 1>Peter and Peter only and trying to figure out and

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<v Speaker 1>give our give us the best shot. Well, and I

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<v Speaker 1>will say because we did sit down with Peter at

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<v Speaker 1>the very beginning and I asked him, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>did you like that that hannah An stole you so

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<v Speaker 1>many times? And he did. He was all for it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he said he was wanting to talk to me more

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<v Speaker 1>that night. Yeah, okay, so he liked it, so clearly

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<v Speaker 1>it was reciprocated on both ends. It wasn't like he

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<v Speaker 1>was like, who's this crazy girl who keeps stealing me? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I know it might seem like I was pressing myself

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<v Speaker 1>on him, but he was telling me he wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to me more that night, you know, and opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>were presented to me to talk to him, and it

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<v Speaker 1>spent a couple of hours. I'm like, sure, yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>told me to talk to him again, so I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to So feelings were, you know, on both

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<v Speaker 1>sides wanting to communicate and talk more. Yeah, it worked,

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<v Speaker 1>it did, It clearly did. And then we go on

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<v Speaker 1>to I mean fast forward a little bit. This whole

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<v Speaker 1>Champagne gate, which was champagne was such a common theme.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like throughout what was your take? Because when

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<v Speaker 1>we recapped that week, I was saying, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>clearly the show does certain things. They said up certain

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<v Speaker 1>things to you know, stir the pot and to cause

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<v Speaker 1>that drama. And I really truly was like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think Hannah knew that that was a cute sent for

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<v Speaker 1>her and Peter, so we didn't think you did it maliciously.

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<v Speaker 1>But what was your take when that all went down.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness. When all that went down, I was

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<v Speaker 1>really blindsided by it and I didn't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>handle it, and um, you know, and the end, me

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<v Speaker 1>and Kelsey were able to like, you know, put aside

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<v Speaker 1>our differences and become friends because we were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we have like you know, a couple more weeks with

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<v Speaker 1>each other, hopefully, like we have to pull you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to put this bull crap aside and like

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<v Speaker 1>learned to you know, be friends or at least live

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<v Speaker 1>like in the same house together. Um. So when all

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<v Speaker 1>that went down, I was like, oh crap, Like I've

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<v Speaker 1>never had that conflict like this, Like how do I

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<v Speaker 1>handle this? So like I was just trying to be

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<v Speaker 1>as logical as possible and just be like, hey, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't steal your champagne, and like that came across maybe

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<v Speaker 1>just some people as like coldhearted, but I was just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to like be as straightforward and concise as possible

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<v Speaker 1>and not let the emotions get to me. And it

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<v Speaker 1>did upset me. I remember that night. I cried all

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<v Speaker 1>night long. And I'm some of the girls in the

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<v Speaker 1>house where like you know, they can add like people

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<v Speaker 1>like like the other girls need to see the side

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<v Speaker 1>of you, like they need to see that you're upset

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<v Speaker 1>and see that you didn't mean that. But in the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>I was just trying to be as clear as possible

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<v Speaker 1>with her so she knew that my point got across.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not steal your champagne. That's where you know

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a champagne. I was just trying to like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we'll let her know that. And I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I never was in a sorority. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a big group of girlfriends. But when you're

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<v Speaker 1>living with twenty plus people from all across the country,

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<v Speaker 1>people that you don't know, you don't know how they interact,

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<v Speaker 1>how they process things, it's a really scary thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I and I think you handled it well, I

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<v Speaker 1>will say, I mean I would have probably done the same.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have been like, look, I can't feel this

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<v Speaker 1>fire so much. I'll say what I have to sail

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<v Speaker 1>confront it and like hopefully it dies. But it's really

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<v Speaker 1>people I don't think realize how scary that first week is.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's all unknown, so you have no idea what

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<v Speaker 1>to expect with the lead, with the production aspect, with

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<v Speaker 1>living with so many people, and so it's it's unturned

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<v Speaker 1>territory that no one, no one should actually know how

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<v Speaker 1>to handle that, right, right. And me and Kelsey didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know each other at that point, so we didn't kind

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<v Speaker 1>of know, you know, how we both you know, how

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<v Speaker 1>we both respond to situations are very different. But what

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<v Speaker 1>I know now about her and what she knows now

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<v Speaker 1>about me, it would have been completely different. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that was like day five, so we didn't know each

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<v Speaker 1>other at all, which would have changed, you know, both

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<v Speaker 1>of our responses to the situation. I think what was

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<v Speaker 1>hard for people to handle is you were so cool,

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<v Speaker 1>calm and collected in your response. And I remember saying

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I probably would have responded the same

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<v Speaker 1>way that it came across as nonchalant, right, And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I think that it's being misunderstood because I

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<v Speaker 1>got it. I was like, kudos to her, like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even think I could have handled it that well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the one thing was that I think you

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<v Speaker 1>said it was bullying her, and yeah, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a word that we throw out around too often. She

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<v Speaker 1>definitely cursed you out, which was wrong. She was wrong

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<v Speaker 1>and how she handled it, for sure, But I think

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<v Speaker 1>the way you had handled it, I didn't think you

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<v Speaker 1>needed to cry and match her emotion in that. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that the way that you handled it to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of diffuse the situation and it didn't create a Finasco.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about that Fco that happened. Yes, she is, and

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<v Speaker 1>what happened this whole season has been a Finasco. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's my cap on the whole entire season. I was

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<v Speaker 1>actually gonna you know the right word, right, yeah, finasco.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you say the right word right? Fiasco? Fiasco. I

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to give you. I was trying to give

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<v Speaker 1>you a chance. You know what I like to say, Finasco.

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<v Speaker 1>And but for the record, you do know it's fiasco. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but you should trademark Finasco. Finasco. There's something you should.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like, and you know what's so funny is

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<v Speaker 1>that in the moment I said that, and I had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea that I even like misspoke, Like I no idea,

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<v Speaker 1>and like that's not even like a word that I

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<v Speaker 1>had used in the bass. I don't know why you

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<v Speaker 1>said it in your vocabulary. I had no idea where

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<v Speaker 1>that came from. Look, your brain was jumbled that first

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<v Speaker 1>week a lot went down. I would have been making

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<v Speaker 1>them my own I do still make up my own words,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't blame you for that. Um, so we

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<v Speaker 1>go on. Well, of course we see you form friendships

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<v Speaker 1>like you and Kelsey seems. Yeah, she's a really sweet girl,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys. Yeah, she doesn't have a mean bone in

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<v Speaker 1>her body. She's very right. How to get past the

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<v Speaker 1>champagne champagnie women's hell off, she was cool. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>steal your champagne. After that, she became like a really

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<v Speaker 1>great friend, honestly, And you're still friends. Yeah, we are,

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<v Speaker 1>we are. She's a really nice person. So let's jump.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just just move on. Well, you know you got roses,

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<v Speaker 1>we were. We knew you were a front runner, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>after you won the modeling thing, which totally should have

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<v Speaker 1>How those is that revolved that you're wearing are the

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<v Speaker 1>revolt close? Working like a girl's dream right? Like, just

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to get twenty five twenty four thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars worth whatever it was worth a clothes, Does it

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<v Speaker 1>face your it? No, it's not, and it show that's

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<v Speaker 1>a good problem to happen. So I want to just

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<v Speaker 1>just get right to fantasy. Suits because you have a

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<v Speaker 1>meme that's going around where you're looking and I wish

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<v Speaker 1>you guys. You guys know that's where happy our listeners

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm talking about, where you're like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the best meme ever with the brown and the squinty

0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.559
<v Speaker 1>guys like say what, no, that's that's what the face is.

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<v Speaker 1>So we learn in the Fantasy Suite. We all know

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<v Speaker 1>what goes down to Fantasy Suite. Nobody, whether you've watched

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<v Speaker 1>Bapsort or not, you know what Fantasy Suite is about.

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<v Speaker 1>And in this Fantasy this week, you guys all stay together, right,

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<v Speaker 1>which is crazy. But Chris Harrison gave us the breakdown.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi Chris Harrison, as you said when you saw him

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<v Speaker 1>at the proposal, which we cantle that normally people say

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<v Speaker 1>Hi Chris, you said, Hi Chris Harrison, I will do

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<v Speaker 1>so much like some people, you have to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I was nervous, no, but it was the cutest thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi Chris Harrison. But Chris Harrison explained why you guys

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<v Speaker 1>were all together, so we don't have to delve into that.

0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:08.720
<v Speaker 1>But you learn about Madison. You learn her thoughts about

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<v Speaker 1>Fantasy Sweet Week, which at that point she had shared

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<v Speaker 1>with you, but she hadn't shared with Peter himself, right, Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it became this whole ultimatum thing. Was it

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<v Speaker 1>an ultimatum? Was it not? I'm asking you? Was it

0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:25.280
<v Speaker 1>an ultimatum? Was an ultimatum? You know? For me, me

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<v Speaker 1>and Madison are just two different people. We make different decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>And I felt completely uncomfortable that entire weekend that I

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<v Speaker 1>even knew, you know, the conversations that she was wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to have with Peter. I was just wanting to focus

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<v Speaker 1>on me and him and not let anything distract me

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<v Speaker 1>from that. So thinking that it's an ultimatum between Madison

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<v Speaker 1>and Peter um, not necessarily because I think Madison was

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<v Speaker 1>doing what was best for her. But that's not an

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate That's not the definition of an ultimatum is like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you do this, then this, Yes, it's like, doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter motive behind that, because it's not wrong to believe

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<v Speaker 1>what you believe and to feel that. But nobody's that.

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<v Speaker 1>I never judged her for that. Was I taken back

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<v Speaker 1>by it? Yes? Because I didn't want to be involved

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<v Speaker 1>in it. I don't want to have these conversations with anyone. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know about them and Peter. I was focused on me,

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<v Speaker 1>and so when she was telling me, you know, she

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<v Speaker 1>felt like he couldn't do certain things for her to

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<v Speaker 1>move forward with him. I was just kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>gave her a look of a what were you close

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<v Speaker 1>with her in the house? Yeah? Yeah, I was, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was close with her. I want to know did

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<v Speaker 1>she talk because we didn't see her bring up this

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with Peter and tell the very end. And was

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<v Speaker 1>this something because I feel like when I was on

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<v Speaker 1>ra season with all the girls, we talked about a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>like everything was out in the open. There wasn't many

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<v Speaker 1>secrets between us. So was this something that was brought

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<v Speaker 1>up in the in the house with all of the

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<v Speaker 1>girls beforehand or was that the first time you were

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<v Speaker 1>hearing about it too. I think when we sat down,

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<v Speaker 1>we you know, had to have that conversation about her

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<v Speaker 1>telling Peter her standards and stuff. You know, I gave

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<v Speaker 1>that look because I was kind of taken back by it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you hadn't heard it before? No, I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>and my I knew, you know, she had certain lifestyle

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<v Speaker 1>values and I knew that they didn't line up with Peters.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was thinking that they might have had that

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<v Speaker 1>conversation weeks before, and we should prior, but my face

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of like, oh gosh, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>get involved in this, like you know you do you

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<v Speaker 1>know for me, I was never intending to give Peter

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<v Speaker 1>a hall pass of you do whatever you want. My

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<v Speaker 1>intention was I see the big picture and me and

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<v Speaker 1>you truly began after all this is over, after when

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<v Speaker 1>it's just me and you, And that was my intention

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<v Speaker 1>behind it. I just wanted him to, you know, focus

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<v Speaker 1>on him and try to be as understanding as possible

0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.840
<v Speaker 1>the amount of stress and pressure he's under. And if

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<v Speaker 1>we meet each other and the end great, that's when

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<v Speaker 1>we start. Yeah, that's when it's just about me and you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an uncomfortable week period, no matter what your values are.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just uncomfortable knowing while I sitting here something else

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<v Speaker 1>is going on. Like it it gets to everybody. Becca

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<v Speaker 1>and I have both been there on both sides of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to know you went first, and obviously

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<v Speaker 1>Victoria and then Madison. Do you think had well a

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<v Speaker 1>had you guys all been removed from each other and

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<v Speaker 1>be it gone in a different order, would things have changed? No?

0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:25.160
<v Speaker 1>Because I think Peter Madison hold different lifestyles or lived.

0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I think Peter Madison lived different lifestyles and hold different values.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't think this is exactly just an issue

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<v Speaker 1>with the Fantasy seas. I think it's lifestyles and how

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<v Speaker 1>you see life and how you judge everything out of life.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's so interesting that you say that, because, like

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<v Speaker 1>Becca was saying, as women in the house, you chitchat

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<v Speaker 1>and you talk. You get to know each other better

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<v Speaker 1>than you get to know whoever the lead is. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying, you say you knew that they had different

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<v Speaker 1>lifestyles and they were on different pages. As a viewer,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't get that till week seven, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>only that we got that they were different as far

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<v Speaker 1>as religion. We had no idea they had different lifestyles.

0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:07.320
<v Speaker 1>But obviously you were privy to that information. So Madison

0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:09.960
<v Speaker 1>made a point during Fantasy Sweet Week where she said

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<v Speaker 1>to Peter, I've been struggling this entire time, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>been having a really hard time. Is that something that

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<v Speaker 1>you saw in the house. Yeah, so we didn't see that,

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<v Speaker 1>and and what did you see? I saw? You know,

0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.840
<v Speaker 1>she was struggling with the week and just knowing that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she was coming to the realization that they

0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.040
<v Speaker 1>live very different lifestyles, which is hard to kind of

0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.520
<v Speaker 1>comprehend when you're in when you're on the show and

0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:36.640
<v Speaker 1>you're not in your lifestyle. You're not on your day

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<v Speaker 1>to day basis of your hobbies and like your schedule

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<v Speaker 1>and how you live your life. So I think that

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<v Speaker 1>was trying. I think at that point that was coming

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<v Speaker 1>very apparent to her, and I think that that's what

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<v Speaker 1>she was struggling with, along with just the stress of

0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Fantasy Fantasy Sweet Week, which is stressful for anyone. I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to get to the whole lifestyle thing in

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<v Speaker 1>a bit because it leads me into some questions like

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<v Speaker 1>after you and Peter, we're already together, so can we

0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.879
<v Speaker 1>fast forward? Yeah, because I want to get to the juicy,

0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:11.800
<v Speaker 1>the juicy part everyone. So obviously the last week you

0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:16.399
<v Speaker 1>met the family, they fell in up with you. Madison

0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.120
<v Speaker 1>at the family, it wasn't this, it wasn't the same,

0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.800
<v Speaker 1>and that you know, I don't want to talk about

0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Madison too too much because she's not here. I want

0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.159
<v Speaker 1>to focus on you and your time with Peter. So

0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.359
<v Speaker 1>you get to that last week and you had absolutely

0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:33.840
<v Speaker 1>then no idea that Madison had left early. Correct, no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>So when he told you, because we've seen the proposal,

0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:38.440
<v Speaker 1>he's standing there and we also didn't know if you

0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:40.280
<v Speaker 1>were going to show up at first. Yeah, you know,

0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:42.600
<v Speaker 1>you're kind of making us wait. So you get to

0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:45.399
<v Speaker 1>that moment and he's in the middle of this speech

0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:47.399
<v Speaker 1>to you where it shouldn't be about you, guys, and

0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:51.879
<v Speaker 1>he goes, but Madison left two days ago, and in

0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:53.280
<v Speaker 1>that moment, I don't know if you guys caught it,

0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:55.679
<v Speaker 1>but when he said Madison, his tone switched a little bit,

0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:57.680
<v Speaker 1>and all he says is that all he said. I

0:19:57.800 --> 0:19:59.160
<v Speaker 1>want to know it was he just like she left

0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:00.760
<v Speaker 1>a couple of days ago, and then goes on to

0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.680
<v Speaker 1>all these great things about you. Yes, yes, it was

0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:08.080
<v Speaker 1>completely downplayed. Didn't give me the courtesy or respect to

0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.239
<v Speaker 1>have a sit down conversation. Hey, this is what's been

0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:12.680
<v Speaker 1>going on this week, this is where my headspace is at.

0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk this through. Didn't owe me that, just told

0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:20.760
<v Speaker 1>me that very quickly and downplayed it, and then immediately

0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:23.040
<v Speaker 1>went to but my heart chooses you and your love

0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:24.840
<v Speaker 1>my life. But I don't want to spend forever with you.

0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:28.240
<v Speaker 1>Did you get an inkling that kind of what we

0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:32.480
<v Speaker 1>saw happen post engagement was going to happen that night,

0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.680
<v Speaker 1>because we never usually see someone say I don't know

0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:37.879
<v Speaker 1>if I want to show up right. Usually when you

0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.240
<v Speaker 1>get to that point, that person is ready to go there,

0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:42.800
<v Speaker 1>whether they're going to accept a proposal, they have no idea.

0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.240
<v Speaker 1>You were struggling before the engagement. Why was that because

0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.920
<v Speaker 1>we never really got those answers. Yeah, my instincts were

0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:52.960
<v Speaker 1>telling me I wasn't getting all the information I needed

0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:56.879
<v Speaker 1>to make a decision with Peter. And that's intuition. That's intuition,

0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.200
<v Speaker 1>and that's instincts. And should I have stayed on that

0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.720
<v Speaker 1>bed in Australia, Absolutely, But I wasn't going to give

0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:04.640
<v Speaker 1>up on someone that I loved and he the last

0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:06.960
<v Speaker 1>words he told me on our last chance date was

0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:08.880
<v Speaker 1>that he was going to make the decision that's best

0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:11.359
<v Speaker 1>for both of us and to trust him. And when

0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:14.120
<v Speaker 1>you're with someone, you know, this is a wacky situation,

0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:15.880
<v Speaker 1>but I'm taking it for what it is. When you're

0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:19.239
<v Speaker 1>with someone, you trust their words. Yeah, and that's why

0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:20.840
<v Speaker 1>I showed up. So I was going to trust his

0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:24.480
<v Speaker 1>words and follow through and in the end, I think he,

0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:28.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, took advantage of the fact that he conveniently

0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:31.520
<v Speaker 1>left out very important information prior to me making a

0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:34.720
<v Speaker 1>commitment with them. And you know, as the audience is

0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:37.119
<v Speaker 1>watching this for the very first time, I'm just like

0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.520
<v Speaker 1>an average viewer, Like I'm just like everyone else watching this,

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<v Speaker 1>Like a lot of information was left out, which is

0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:47.480
<v Speaker 1>why Boucher happy our listeners. I need to reiterate this

0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:48.840
<v Speaker 1>because I was the same way when I was in

0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:52.200
<v Speaker 1>your position. This is Hannah Ann's first time truly watching

0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:54.080
<v Speaker 1>this all go down. Yes, she lived it, but there

0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:57.159
<v Speaker 1>are so many pieces to this entire puzzle that she

0:21:57.440 --> 0:21:59.840
<v Speaker 1>missed that she didn't see, and so she was backsage

0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:02.119
<v Speaker 1>watching it, just like we all were watching it. And

0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:04.960
<v Speaker 1>so I'm sure in those moments and even now, there's

0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:07.119
<v Speaker 1>going to be a lot that you're still processing. Can

0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:09.080
<v Speaker 1>I ask you a question when you say that there

0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:11.320
<v Speaker 1>was a lot you didn't see, are you just talking

0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:14.879
<v Speaker 1>about what happened post engagement or are you also talking

0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:19.119
<v Speaker 1>about what you watched the entire this whole journey, like

0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:23.479
<v Speaker 1>all these weeks, this entire season, the entire season entirely,

0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:28.960
<v Speaker 1>like explained about that really it was Peter wanted me

0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:33.720
<v Speaker 1>to stay with him, and he downplayed his feelings towards

0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Madison completely, and even you know, after our breakup, he

0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:41.840
<v Speaker 1>couldn't really own up to it and reached out to

0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:45.600
<v Speaker 1>my parents and said that he you know, basically that

0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:50.200
<v Speaker 1>he was struggling processing all of his emotions. That's what

0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:53.919
<v Speaker 1>he left at and it was very vague. He speaks

0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:57.560
<v Speaker 1>half truths, and so when while I'm watching this season,

0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:00.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, well, okay, that may solve our sense,

0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Like this why we broke up makes a whole lot

0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.000
<v Speaker 1>more sense because he couldn't really own up to the

0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:07.879
<v Speaker 1>fact of how he was truly feeling. I want to

0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:11.560
<v Speaker 1>know too. So after okay, so after you guys did

0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:13.720
<v Speaker 1>get engaged, and he was very vague about oh, yeah,

0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Madison left two days ago, but you guys still ended

0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:18.840
<v Speaker 1>up together. You have days when you're together before I'm

0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:21.639
<v Speaker 1>sure you flew back to the US, before you know,

0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:24.879
<v Speaker 1>you got back to your normal life. Did he in

0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:29.760
<v Speaker 1>those moments ever disclose more of why she left? Did

0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:33.040
<v Speaker 1>you guys get into that conversation. No, he always whenever

0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:35.480
<v Speaker 1>that conversation was brought up, it was always like, this

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:38.399
<v Speaker 1>is the past, and always made sure to reassure me

0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:40.920
<v Speaker 1>that I was his person, that I was loved life,

0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:43.960
<v Speaker 1>and that he was always going to choose me. So

0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:46.160
<v Speaker 1>always kind of went in with that reassurance to where

0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:49.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, hmm okay. But as a season started to roll,

0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:52.800
<v Speaker 1>things weren't quite adding up. And so let's break this

0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:56.639
<v Speaker 1>down because I'm an evidenced, like logical, I need to

0:23:56.720 --> 0:24:01.520
<v Speaker 1>see how things timeline out. Yeah, so we talked to Peter.

0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:05.200
<v Speaker 1>So you get engaged somewhere around a week before Thanksgiving,

0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:09.119
<v Speaker 1>around that time, you're together this whole time. We talked

0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:12.560
<v Speaker 1>to Peter first week in January, he tells us he

0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:15.600
<v Speaker 1>is so happy. We talked to his parents. As we

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:18.080
<v Speaker 1>can see, Barb cannot control her emotions and she was

0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:20.240
<v Speaker 1>happy at that time. So if it wasn't you, we

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 1>would have already known she was not okay. So the

0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:27.400
<v Speaker 1>season has started, y'all are still together? Yeah? When did

0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:32.080
<v Speaker 1>you have the conversation that we saw happen on TV TV?

0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:38.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, like I said on stage, beginning of January,

0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:42.280
<v Speaker 1>was when he approached me that he needed to speak

0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:47.920
<v Speaker 1>with Hannah Brown. Yeah, that's the first red flag. But

0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:51.560
<v Speaker 1>start talk about that he told me he need to

0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:53.960
<v Speaker 1>talk to Hannah Brown. Yes, he told me he needed

0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:56.719
<v Speaker 1>to talk to Hannah Brown because he needed closure. Did

0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:59.359
<v Speaker 1>he not get that? I was trying to convince me

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.280
<v Speaker 1>that I should feel comfortable with that, and I'm like,

0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:06.840
<v Speaker 1>why did he need closure? Why do you We were

0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:09.720
<v Speaker 1>engaged right and just listen, I wasn't on that group

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:11.639
<v Speaker 1>date with him and Hannah Brown. Yeah. I had not

0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:15.480
<v Speaker 1>seen that episode of them all cozy cozy up in

0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:19.200
<v Speaker 1>accout him crying and her possibly coming back in the house.

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I had no idea, like none, and so when he

0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:25.399
<v Speaker 1>brought that up, I'm like, wait, what, Like, I know

0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:28.000
<v Speaker 1>she came back in the season, but can you explain more?

0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:29.920
<v Speaker 1>And that was kind of when the episode was coming out,

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:32.720
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, why should I feel comfortable with this?

0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:35.240
<v Speaker 1>This is something that I feel like if you don't,

0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:37.320
<v Speaker 1>you don't seem like you're ready for any kind of commitment,

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:41.280
<v Speaker 1>let alone an engagement. Yeah, that was the first red flag,

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:43.920
<v Speaker 1>and I was questioning my own self because he was

0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 1>trying to convince me that that is something that he needed,

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.399
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, I just I don't quite feel settled

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:52.920
<v Speaker 1>with that. So did he get the closure? No, that

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 1>was that was pretty close. I think that was like

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:58.639
<v Speaker 1>a week before we broke up. So he never reached

0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 1>out to her, He never tried to come or it

0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:03.680
<v Speaker 1>was Hannah Brown code for oh, let me maybe have

0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:07.520
<v Speaker 1>conversations with other women aka Madison, where he was trying

0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:09.840
<v Speaker 1>to open up the door and like test the waters

0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 1>and see how you felt. I probably, I don't quite know.

0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:17.199
<v Speaker 1>That was so close to us breaking up, and then

0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:19.480
<v Speaker 1>there was that going on, you know, and then there

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:23.000
<v Speaker 1>was the whole Oh the season started and I have

0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 1>unresolved issues. I'm like, what's unresolved issues? I mean, I'm

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:29.399
<v Speaker 1>by your side. I gave you my word to be

0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:32.440
<v Speaker 1>by your side, and his unresolved issues we're having to

0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:36.160
<v Speaker 1>watch back the show once again. He completely downplayed it completely.

0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:38.680
<v Speaker 1>And you know, when I showed up to the breakup,

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:40.560
<v Speaker 1>that was the very first time I heard him say

0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:42.760
<v Speaker 1>I can't give you my full heart. And I told

0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:44.600
<v Speaker 1>him before I even went out there, I said, hey,

0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:47.440
<v Speaker 1>like you're wanting to in things, giving me a little

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:51.399
<v Speaker 1>bit of heads up. I'll be fine, trust me, I'll cry,

0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:53.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, just just giving me a heads up. And

0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:56.919
<v Speaker 1>we actually had talked that morning that we weren't going

0:26:57.000 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 1>to break up, that we were going to work through it.

0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:04.080
<v Speaker 1>When was this, um February, February, the very end of January,

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:08.760
<v Speaker 1>very end of January. So y'all went all through December, Christmas. Cool.

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:11.920
<v Speaker 1>It's fine. You never had any inkling that he was

0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:15.720
<v Speaker 1>because you during your breakup you kept saying I know

0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:18.399
<v Speaker 1>you've been struggling, and I'm here for you. That that

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:21.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't start till January. That did not start till January.

0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:26.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, because one of the one of the questions

0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 1>we had when we were watching was seeing how happy

0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 1>he was to go get that ring for you, Nileing.

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 1>We were sitting with Ni Ling watching tonight, and he

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:38.119
<v Speaker 1>was like, the man I saw get that ring is

0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 1>not the man that I see now, Like just totally

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:47.760
<v Speaker 1>different he was. He was ecstatic, approsing, he was kissingures

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:49.920
<v Speaker 1>of the day of Peter, kissing them the ring he

0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:53.240
<v Speaker 1>picked out. So I think what we're all trying to understand,

0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:55.880
<v Speaker 1>like Becca and I but also just like our listeners

0:27:55.960 --> 0:28:01.679
<v Speaker 1>batter Nation, is what happened. I yet the Hannah Brown unresolved.

0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that was. But with whatever he

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:08.400
<v Speaker 1>said to you, where you started for you to say

0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:11.199
<v Speaker 1>when you were headed to la Hey, if we're breaking up,

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 1>let me know what was happening, because that's not the

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 1>first thing I would say. Yeah, I mean, it's just

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:18.600
<v Speaker 1>like what he told my parents. Even after a breakup,

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:21.640
<v Speaker 1>he was having trouble processing all of his emotions. Peter

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:25.240
<v Speaker 1>does not own up completely to the full truth. Just

0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of like on our engagement day, he knew that

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 1>if he told me the full extent of where his

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:32.160
<v Speaker 1>heart and head was at that entire week, he knew

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 1>the outcome would have been different. He knew that when

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:36.960
<v Speaker 1>we sat down had to open an honest conversation, my

0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:38.720
<v Speaker 1>instincts would have picked up on that he was not

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 1>ready for a commitment. I think that's not what he wanted.

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 1>I think the Peter that we've seen all season is

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:49.040
<v Speaker 1>he's a hopeless romantic. He kind of he has his

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:52.080
<v Speaker 1>head in the clouds where I think he hypes himself

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 1>up to think he wants certain things, and it's not

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:58.440
<v Speaker 1>until he can take a step back or start rewatching

0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:01.239
<v Speaker 1>this season where he sees the things that he now

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 1>can't have. And I will say, like when I was

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 1>still with Ari, because we were together for about a

0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 1>month and a half had three happy couples together, Like

0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 1>you guys, you know, I knew he had been startling,

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 1>and he felt guilty for how things went down with

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 1>obviously Lauren and I'm sure the other girls, like that's

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:20.640
<v Speaker 1>just a human instinct, but it wasn't. You know. He

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 1>started watching this season back. Our season started when we

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 1>were still together, and he said he watched our season,

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 1>our first episode because we the first date. It's like,

0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, I'm more in love with you now

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:31.720
<v Speaker 1>than I ever was. And then fast forward to the

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>next week where I wasn't on that date with him,

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 1>and he started seeing other things. And I think it's

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:38.720
<v Speaker 1>in that moment where you watch it back as a man,

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 1>because I don't think I got this as a woman,

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 1>but I'm trying to try to kind of process and

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 1>put my feet were what am I trying to say,

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 1>put my feet in his shoes? Whatever? Yeah, where he

0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>started then watching it back and started seeing his first

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 1>date with Maddie and realizing the feelings were buried that

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't, as you said, quite on up to and

0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 1>acknowledge are hard human beings to try the thing that

0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I think makes me feel for you is that we

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 1>see him get down on one knee. Well, did we

0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:14.840
<v Speaker 1>see him get down on one knee? He did get down.

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 1>I think I missed the part. I think I was

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:20.080
<v Speaker 1>so frazzled on it. But you're like, you know, he

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 1>gets engaged you, he proposes you, he promises you all

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 1>these things without being fully honest, and for everyone listening,

0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:30.080
<v Speaker 1>for all the men out there, if you think that

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:32.920
<v Speaker 1>you have to do a certain thing because it's gonna

0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 1>make us feel better, don't like, be honest with us

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:38.440
<v Speaker 1>and give us the respect and the courtesy to make

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 1>our decisions. Maybe had you known the full extent of everything,

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:43.960
<v Speaker 1>who knows what have happened, you could have very easily said,

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, I love you, I want to be with you,

0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I want to work through things. Maybe an engagement won't

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 1>necessarily happen, But every woman and man who's on the

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 1>show too deserves that respect and deserves the truth. And

0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know exactly what happened. I mean, nothing

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 1>really surprises me by Peter. Watching back the season has

0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 1>actually been really helpful for me because it's helped me

0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 1>work through any unresolved feelings that had towards him. Because

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm able to see how he is consistently indecisive and confusing,

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.360
<v Speaker 1>and who wants to be with that? And that doesn't

0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 1>make me feel secure in being with him. And so

0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 1>it's really helped me move forward because I know I

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:28.200
<v Speaker 1>deserve more than just someone giving, you know, than someone

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 1>just half loving me. You know, I deserve someone hut,

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, someone who's gonna give me a one hundred percent.

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>And I felt like me being so clear and not

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 1>playing mind games with him, that he would give me

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 1>that return, but really he was just reckless with my heart.

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 1>Well when he had been, he had said all season

0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I want someone to love me as much as I

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 1>love them, and that was you. You gave that to him,

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 1>You did, you loved him more of anything, and so

0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 1>I think he didn't. I think he went into this

0:31:56.440 --> 0:31:58.080
<v Speaker 1>season thinking one thing, thinking it was going to be

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 1>this magical, like beautiful, super easy, great seas love story,

0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:04.719
<v Speaker 1>and that wasn't the case, and I think he couldn't

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 1>quite own up to what it was he truly wants

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 1>and needs in a partner. All Right, Bachelor Happy Our

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Listeners Part two with the amazing Hannah and will be

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:18.080
<v Speaker 1>coming up this Friday. But you know, we have to

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:22.080
<v Speaker 1>get into everything that happened during the finale. So Rachel,

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 1>we got to dive in. You and I need to

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 1>talk Beck up. We need to talk about what we saw.

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 1>So Hannah Ann came out. She was a boss. She

0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 1>killed it, She said her piece. She put Peter in

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 1>his place. He couldn't even defend himself. All he could

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:34.960
<v Speaker 1>say was you're right. So the second half of the

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:40.600
<v Speaker 1>episode we deal with what happened with Madison. Chris Harrison

0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 1>goes to her. I'm gonna sum this up real quick

0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:43.760
<v Speaker 1>because we just want to get to the meat of it.

0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Chris Harrison goes to see Madison. Madison says she's still

0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 1>into Peter, and she goes out to fly with Peter.

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 1>We don't know the exact timeline. We don't know how

0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:53.040
<v Speaker 1>much time was. It seemed like it was very quick.

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Seemed like she hopped on a plane and flew out

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:57.800
<v Speaker 1>with Chris Harrison to La. That's how it was presented

0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 1>to right. She gets to La, Peters no idea, who's

0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 1>going to see here? They see each other, they say

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 1>they have this. There's so much to talk about. Of course,

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 1>in true fashion this season, we see them talk about

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 1>absolutely nothing other than they have feelings for each other,

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:14.600
<v Speaker 1>and then it cuts to Peter talking about Madison. We

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>see Madison come out, We see them sitting there there,

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>seem happy, but they're not touching. There seems to still

0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 1>be some space in between them, and we see them

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>once again kind of dance around what it is that

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 1>they are. We still are they boyfriend girlfriend? We know

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 1>they're not engaged. We obviously know they're not married. And

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 1>one thing we learn for sure is that Barbe and

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the family and apparently the friends as well,

0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:46.800
<v Speaker 1>do not approve of their relationships. So Becca, that sums

0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:50.200
<v Speaker 1>up what we saw. Where do we even start to

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:54.200
<v Speaker 1>begin about it? I mean, all of that being said,

0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 1>what was your take when it came to watching what

0:33:56.800 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 1>went down tonight? Because I didn't expect any of this.

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>You could read a spoiler an article, have your own

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 1>preconceived notions, but you didn't know it was going to

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 1>go down like this. No, And the best way I

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 1>can describe it is when we first sat down with

0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Peter at the very beginning of his season, he said

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:16.840
<v Speaker 1>he felt like there was something new and crazy thrown

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 1>his way every week, and I feel like that didn't

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:25.160
<v Speaker 1>stop even through the finale, and like, think of everything

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:28.359
<v Speaker 1>that went down tonight, people, the main craziest part should

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:31.280
<v Speaker 1>have been that switched rou in the breakup with Hannah

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:33.759
<v Speaker 1>Ann and it wasn't. It was everything that played out

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:37.759
<v Speaker 1>after and Rachel, as you said, we don't know, we're

0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Madison and Peter stand. We don't know what is going on.

0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:42.920
<v Speaker 1>We don't even know if they're in a relationship, if

0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:45.719
<v Speaker 1>they're not in a relationship. Rachel is currently holding up

0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 1>a picture of Madison right now, and I don't know

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:52.879
<v Speaker 1>what that means. But Laura K Publications just couldn't help

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:55.920
<v Speaker 1>herself and put posted a picture of Madison her new

0:34:56.000 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 1>client about how she's the epitome of a class acts.

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:06.160
<v Speaker 1>So Madison already has a manager slash pr person slash

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 1>agent who couldn't wait five seconds to posts that this

0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:11.960
<v Speaker 1>is her new client. I'm sorry, Becca, I know that

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 1>you're talking and I'm so distracted, but it just so

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:19.719
<v Speaker 1>goes into something that we talked about this season when

0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 1>it comes to we couldn't understand and I really wish

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:24.800
<v Speaker 1>we had the opportunity to talk to Madison, and I

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 1>really wish we had the opportunity to talk to Peter

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:31.520
<v Speaker 1>about why are you here when you're looking for a

0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:35.400
<v Speaker 1>certain type of man who has certain values, certain standards,

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 1>And there's nothing wrong with that. You should want what

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:41.840
<v Speaker 1>you want for yourself. But the confusing part comes in

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 1>you're looking for him in a place where usually those

0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 1>type of men don't dwell and as we have understood,

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 1>as we understand, Peter is not that type of man

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:53.960
<v Speaker 1>for you, which is his parents and friends concern. And

0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:58.080
<v Speaker 1>in trying to figure out the logical way of what

0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 1>could her possible motivation reason be for being here, one

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:04.440
<v Speaker 1>of those is that she wants to experience the platform,

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:09.279
<v Speaker 1>the Bachelorette, the followers, whatever. And I just find it

0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:15.960
<v Speaker 1>very coincidental that she has hired a manager slash pr

0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 1>person slash agent to represent her, which we know prior

0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:22.880
<v Speaker 1>to the season being over with, because that person posted

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:25.160
<v Speaker 1>her on International Women's Day and the season was still

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:29.440
<v Speaker 1>going and now could miss a beat to let everybody know, Hey,

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 1>if you want deals on Madison, I represent her, which

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:37.760
<v Speaker 1>makes me question her motives this entire time. I'm sorry, sorry,

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I know Madison fans are going to come after me,

0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 1>but I'm sorry. You have to be logical about this. Situation.

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:45.320
<v Speaker 1>Hannah Anne told us she doesn't even have one, and

0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:48.279
<v Speaker 1>this girl's been modeling for years. Yeah, no, Rachel, you

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:52.040
<v Speaker 1>are talking to a rule follower here, because there are

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:54.400
<v Speaker 1>certain timelines that we have to adhere to as the

0:36:54.520 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 1>lead and getting representation, and at that point doesn't add up. I,

0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:06.359
<v Speaker 1>for one, don't even have an agent still, and I've

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:09.120
<v Speaker 1>been Bacherette, i mean two years ago, and I still

0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:14.480
<v Speaker 1>just do most things myself. So you know, as you

0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:16.239
<v Speaker 1>just mentioned, you're probably going to get a lot of

0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:18.360
<v Speaker 1>backlash for that. But that's on the case people. I mean,

0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:20.879
<v Speaker 1>Rachel's calling it like it is, and it's a very

0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 1>strange scenario that we find ourselves in after this whole

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:30.280
<v Speaker 1>Bachelor world. But it doesn't add up. It's very interesting

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:34.160
<v Speaker 1>to me given the timeline of everything. Yeah, it doesn't

0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 1>make sense that aside. I like, my main takeaway from

0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:45.040
<v Speaker 1>tonight is we watched last night's episode and we watched

0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Madison send herself home two days before the finale because,

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:53.000
<v Speaker 1>as she said, their lifestyles and their morals don't line up,

0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:56.440
<v Speaker 1>they don't match, so she removes herself. Okay, that's one

0:37:56.480 --> 0:37:58.920
<v Speaker 1>thing good for her in that moment, for standing up

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:01.680
<v Speaker 1>for what she believes, what she thinks is right and logical. Yes,

0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 1>nothing since then has changed though, besides Peter is still

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 1>saying he loves her. Yeah, you know, guess Chris Harrison

0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:13.360
<v Speaker 1>flew out to Auburn to tell her that Peter was

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:16.440
<v Speaker 1>engaged and then ended this engagement because he still loves medicine.

0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:19.480
<v Speaker 1>But regardless, like their lifestyles are still the same, he

0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:21.960
<v Speaker 1>was still engaged. She had an issue with him being

0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 1>intimate with women in the fantasy suite. Well, what do

0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:27.440
<v Speaker 1>you think happened during those couple months when he was engaged.

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:31.560
<v Speaker 1>He had a woman he was engaged to being intimate with.

0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:36.759
<v Speaker 1>Nothing has changed. I just don't understand how if I

0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 1>understand her feeling, even if I don't agree with it,

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:42.800
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't mean that I don't understand it. I understand

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:45.360
<v Speaker 1>the feeling of how difficult that is to accept a

0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 1>proposal from someone that you know that just was intimate

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:51.479
<v Speaker 1>with other a woman or other women where we don't

0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:55.279
<v Speaker 1>know for sure. So that's fine, that's what you believe in.

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:57.800
<v Speaker 1>What people have been so proud of her and praising

0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:00.759
<v Speaker 1>her for is that she has these morals and these convictions,

0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 1>and she holds true to them. Now, you know, as

0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:06.400
<v Speaker 1>you were saying, Becca, he got down on one knee

0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:08.759
<v Speaker 1>and said he wanted to give his whole heart and

0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:11.439
<v Speaker 1>spend the rest of his life with another woman. Has

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:16.840
<v Speaker 1>spent time, you know, cultivating that relationship, and then breaks

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:20.120
<v Speaker 1>it off and says he, well, he didn't tell her

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:22.080
<v Speaker 1>he wanted her, but you knew that he broke it off.

0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:23.759
<v Speaker 1>And I think Chris Harrison said it was because of her,

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 1>so she did know. And you're so easily willing to

0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:30.160
<v Speaker 1>take him back. It's, you know, the same people who

0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:32.960
<v Speaker 1>were praising her for that. How can you still hold

0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:35.120
<v Speaker 1>true that, Oh she knows what she wants and she

0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:37.480
<v Speaker 1>deserves better, But yes, she goes running back to him,

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:40.759
<v Speaker 1>And there's just so many contradictions. It's so confusing that

0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:46.839
<v Speaker 1>I understand why his family has their concerns, which brings

0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:50.400
<v Speaker 1>us to a whole another topic. They had that camera

0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 1>on poor Barb with I don't even think she knew

0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 1>the whole time. Oh my gosh, I felt so bad

0:39:57.239 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 1>for her. I mean, I'm a person who cannot control

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:02.959
<v Speaker 1>my facial expressions. Becca, you say you can't control your hands.

0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:04.920
<v Speaker 1>You don't know what to do with them in a picture.

0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:08.080
<v Speaker 1>I cannot control my facial expressions, so I just wear

0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:11.280
<v Speaker 1>it all all my face. And this is a mother,

0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:13.920
<v Speaker 1>you guys. You may not agree with her, but this

0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:16.479
<v Speaker 1>is a mother who is concerned about the well being

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 1>and the heart of her son, and she wants somebody

0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:23.320
<v Speaker 1>who loves her son unconditionally. And she had that with

0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Hannah Anne. Yes, maybe her delivery was a little bit off. Yes, Rachel,

0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:30.759
<v Speaker 1>as you said, it is a mother and I am

0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 1>not a mum, but I can only imagine that protectiveness,

0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 1>that mother bear instinct that you have for a children

0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:43.080
<v Speaker 1>a child, and we saw that with her and all

0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:45.279
<v Speaker 1>she wanted she's been saying this the entire time, is

0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:48.000
<v Speaker 1>that she wants somebody to love her son the same

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:50.800
<v Speaker 1>way she fell in love with her husband. And she

0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:53.839
<v Speaker 1>saw that with Hannah Anne. Now one thing that I'm

0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:56.239
<v Speaker 1>glad that she brought up. And maybe this is the

0:40:56.360 --> 0:40:58.640
<v Speaker 1>moment where she should have been cut off after she

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:02.240
<v Speaker 1>said this the first time, but she said, you know, Madison,

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:04.560
<v Speaker 1>when she came in after having this great moment with

0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Hannah Anne, Madison came in. She made them wait for

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:11.440
<v Speaker 1>three hours. She didn't say sorry, you know, apologies for

0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:14.400
<v Speaker 1>making you wait. This is already a long process as

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 1>it is, like they've been waiting to see their son.

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:17.759
<v Speaker 1>They've only seen him for one day in the span

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:20.359
<v Speaker 1>of a couple months, and so that in itself, I'm

0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:25.560
<v Speaker 1>sure it's frustrating. But and Barb discloses very briefly today

0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:30.200
<v Speaker 1>to us and on the TV. But when she had

0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:32.880
<v Speaker 1>that moment with Madison, and it wasn't aired, but she

0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:35.840
<v Speaker 1>asked Madison, do you love my son? And Madison in

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:38.640
<v Speaker 1>that moment said no. So as a mom, I can

0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:40.840
<v Speaker 1>only put myself in that position and say, well, I

0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:44.880
<v Speaker 1>have one woman here who's all in, wholeheartedly ready to

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 1>give herself to my son, and one who, at this

0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:51.040
<v Speaker 1>moment in time, you know he's already to get engaged tomorrow,

0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:53.920
<v Speaker 1>is saying no, I don't love your son. Of Course

0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:57.480
<v Speaker 1>she's gonna have questions. Of course she's going to call

0:41:57.560 --> 0:42:00.160
<v Speaker 1>that out to Peter and say maybe she's not the

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:01.680
<v Speaker 1>one for you. And now, granted, people, I know that

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:04.279
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot that we don't see. You know, we're

0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:06.920
<v Speaker 1>trying to make a show in a two hour period

0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:09.920
<v Speaker 1>once a week. There's so much that goes down. But

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 1>going off of what we know that is alarming. Yeah,

0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:16.440
<v Speaker 1>and Blake, let's break this down what you said. So

0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:19.759
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times people say to us, you know,

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:22.600
<v Speaker 1>you're not taking into consideration what you didn't see. Well,

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:25.440
<v Speaker 1>you're welcome, you guys, to bar because she told you

0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 1>what you didn't see. So just imagine last night. You

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 1>hear Barbe express her feelings and you see her crying,

0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:35.320
<v Speaker 1>and you see her saying but she's just not into you,

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 1>She's not here for you, and you're wondering, how in

0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:40.600
<v Speaker 1>the world is she saying that. Then people go on

0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:44.120
<v Speaker 1>social media and are all in Barbe's comments and they're

0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:46.400
<v Speaker 1>saying all these things to her. So Barb feels the

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:49.440
<v Speaker 1>need to defend herself. Okay, whether you agree with her

0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:51.960
<v Speaker 1>or not, she felt the need to speak her truth.

0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:54.560
<v Speaker 1>So what did she do the first opportunity she was

0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:56.759
<v Speaker 1>given the chance to do it? She spoke her truth.

0:42:57.080 --> 0:43:01.239
<v Speaker 1>And she explained to you guys that three hours or

0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 1>she waited three hours for Madison to come speak to her,

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:06.560
<v Speaker 1>and Madison did not even want to come in and

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:09.480
<v Speaker 1>meet the parents. How would that make you feel as

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:14.279
<v Speaker 1>a family member, possibly meeting your fiance of your son,

0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:17.399
<v Speaker 1>the potential fiance of your son. The girl doesn't even

0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 1>want to walk in and meet you. Then she does

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:23.279
<v Speaker 1>come in and meet you, and that's only because your

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:26.520
<v Speaker 1>son begged her to come in. How do you accept

0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:29.040
<v Speaker 1>somebody into your family when that's how you're starting off.

0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Then when she does come inside, she doesn't even have

0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:35.439
<v Speaker 1>the courtesy to apologize for the three hours she kept

0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:38.880
<v Speaker 1>the family waiting, So you're already setting this scene and

0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:40.880
<v Speaker 1>this mood for the family to come and talk to you.

0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Then Barb Reville that when she did talk to her,

0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:47.319
<v Speaker 1>as Becca stated, she said, I don't I don't love

0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:50.840
<v Speaker 1>him when asked, and she said she wouldn't accept a proposal.

0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:54.440
<v Speaker 1>So of course Barbe is crying knowing that her son

0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 1>is maddening in love with a girl who does not

0:43:56.960 --> 0:44:00.239
<v Speaker 1>reciprocate those feelings. And that is the emotion that you're

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:02.759
<v Speaker 1>seeing come from Barb. So before you judge her and

0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:05.520
<v Speaker 1>you jump on her, Yes, Beck and I both agree

0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:07.640
<v Speaker 1>she took it just a little too far and aired

0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:10.360
<v Speaker 1>a little too much information. But in that moment, in

0:44:10.480 --> 0:44:13.320
<v Speaker 1>what she said, that she is giving you the background

0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:16.640
<v Speaker 1>that you guys so desperately beg for, and you're still

0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:19.320
<v Speaker 1>holding it against her because we've seen social media today

0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 1>and you guys are ripping Barb. That is what I

0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:24.840
<v Speaker 1>just like, don't think it's fair, and I don't understand

0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:29.120
<v Speaker 1>how when she said that, and she put it back

0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:34.880
<v Speaker 1>the ball back in Madison in Pete Peter's court. What

0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 1>was Madison's response? Nothing. She never addressed what Barbe said.

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:43.439
<v Speaker 1>She never addressed saying she wasn't in love with Peter.

0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:45.759
<v Speaker 1>She never addressed saying she wouldn't accept a proposal, that

0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:47.399
<v Speaker 1>she made them wait for three hours, that she didn't

0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:50.560
<v Speaker 1>want to meet them. She skirted over that and simply

0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:54.160
<v Speaker 1>responded by saying, I have always been myself this entire time.

0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:58.919
<v Speaker 1>And what did the audience do? Clap? I will say this, though,

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a lot that went down tonight that

0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:04.640
<v Speaker 1>was painful to watch and to take in. I really

0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:08.160
<v Speaker 1>am struggling with the lack of conversation. Yeah, between I

0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:10.840
<v Speaker 1>wanted her to explain why she did that, and she

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:12.640
<v Speaker 1>did and she just said I've been myself and you

0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 1>guys clapped. But she did say one thing that I

0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:19.359
<v Speaker 1>will say warranted a good response from the audience, as

0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:21.960
<v Speaker 1>she said, it's not just Peter finding love, it's me too,

0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:24.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's fifty fifty, which I will back her up

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:27.399
<v Speaker 1>in that regard and say, yes, girlfriend, it is fifty fifty.

0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:30.719
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that. But still there was that lack of communication.

0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:33.040
<v Speaker 1>There was that lack of conversation. She didn't address the

0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:36.200
<v Speaker 1>conversation with Barb that Barb had brought up. Also to

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.520
<v Speaker 1>the moment when we saw Madison go back to la

0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:42.280
<v Speaker 1>and see Peter for the first time, I mean, clearly

0:45:42.320 --> 0:45:43.960
<v Speaker 1>he was shocked, as he said he thought it was

0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:47.040
<v Speaker 1>Chris walking behind him. But in that moment too, when

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:51.160
<v Speaker 1>they reunited, there wasn't really any depth to that conversation either,

0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 1>other than love and Rachel you said it best when

0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:58.239
<v Speaker 1>we were talking to Hannah Anne is that it's a room.

0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Ever for the most part, vateranation is made up of

0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:04.600
<v Speaker 1>hopeless romantics. It's a room of people who want the lead,

0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:07.480
<v Speaker 1>and these people on TV two find love. That's the

0:46:07.520 --> 0:46:10.960
<v Speaker 1>base of it. And yes, Peter's expressing that to Madison,

0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:13.640
<v Speaker 1>But there needs to be more than that. There needs

0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:16.000
<v Speaker 1>to be more addressed than just I love you. I

0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:18.960
<v Speaker 1>ended my engagement for you. Like all of the reasons

0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:21.439
<v Speaker 1>why you guys ended in the first place are still

0:46:21.560 --> 0:46:24.520
<v Speaker 1>there and that needs to be brought up because me

0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:27.239
<v Speaker 1>as a viewer, and I've said this all season, is

0:46:27.280 --> 0:46:30.319
<v Speaker 1>that I feel like I'm missing so much. I guess

0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:32.800
<v Speaker 1>my thing is is the whole It's fifty fifty and

0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:35.560
<v Speaker 1>that's right, But are you giving fifty fifty because that's

0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:39.680
<v Speaker 1>not what we're saying. And then also, it's my journey. Okay,

0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:42.320
<v Speaker 1>that's true. It is your journey, and nobody's taking that

0:46:42.360 --> 0:46:45.760
<v Speaker 1>away from you. But we're trying to understand the contradictions

0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:48.160
<v Speaker 1>that are within your journey. We're trying to understand where

0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:50.760
<v Speaker 1>you are with Peter and where your heart is. Because

0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:53.520
<v Speaker 1>I'll be honest, I didn't see it on that stage tonight.

0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:56.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't doubt that Peter and Madison have love for

0:46:57.080 --> 0:46:59.759
<v Speaker 1>each other. I a hundred percent agree with that. But

0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:03.000
<v Speaker 1>what I saw on that stage tonight, all I saw

0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:05.440
<v Speaker 1>was that it's not if this is going to end,

0:47:05.520 --> 0:47:08.080
<v Speaker 1>it's when it's going to end. The odds are always

0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:11.560
<v Speaker 1>against you already, And if you don't believe what I'm

0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:14.000
<v Speaker 1>saying or what Becca saying, can we talk about the

0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:17.640
<v Speaker 1>voice of reason in the family, Pete Senior. When Pete

0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Senior spoke, he said, when you're in the beginning of

0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:23.320
<v Speaker 1>a relationship, that's when it's light and it's fun, and

0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:26.719
<v Speaker 1>you're so like two getty kids getting to know each other.

0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:29.640
<v Speaker 1>And that has not been the case for Madison and Peter.

0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:34.200
<v Speaker 1>It's been difficult. It's been hard. They're so opposite to attract.

0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:37.200
<v Speaker 1>But your morals and your values have to be the same,

0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:39.719
<v Speaker 1>and that what Peter's family is saying is that they're

0:47:39.800 --> 0:47:42.279
<v Speaker 1>not on the same level. So this relationship is kind

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:45.880
<v Speaker 1>of doomed. If Madison is really that strong into her convictions,

0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:48.840
<v Speaker 1>which no one's faulting her for, then you can't possibly

0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:51.839
<v Speaker 1>want the type of man that Peter is, which again

0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:53.600
<v Speaker 1>that's not a problem for him, that's who he is.

0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:57.800
<v Speaker 1>It it just won't work. It's just you can want

0:47:57.880 --> 0:47:59.880
<v Speaker 1>to see them together and want love for Peter and

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:02.040
<v Speaker 1>want love for Madison, but the two of them together,

0:48:02.640 --> 0:48:04.480
<v Speaker 1>it just doesn't work. And if you didn't think, if

0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:06.560
<v Speaker 1>you thought it was because they were different in their

0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:09.440
<v Speaker 1>lifestyles and their values. Now, add on top that the

0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:12.520
<v Speaker 1>family does not like her. The family does not get

0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:16.759
<v Speaker 1>along with her, and she went back at Barbe not

0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:19.600
<v Speaker 1>faulting her for defending herself at all. I probably would

0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:22.319
<v Speaker 1>have done the same thing, but on Live TV went

0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:24.280
<v Speaker 1>back and forth. It is clear that there is tension

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:27.239
<v Speaker 1>there that they don't get along. Peter's very into his

0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:30.520
<v Speaker 1>family and there's just no way that Madison herself is

0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:31.960
<v Speaker 1>going to want to be a part of a family

0:48:32.040 --> 0:48:34.759
<v Speaker 1>that's not into her and that doesn't accept her, which

0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Barb just said in front of millions and people, in

0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:39.600
<v Speaker 1>front of the whole world, like it's doomed. And it's

0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:42.600
<v Speaker 1>sad to say that because we wanted Peter to find love,

0:48:42.880 --> 0:48:47.000
<v Speaker 1>but it's doomed. Yeah. And one thing too, like playing

0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:50.840
<v Speaker 1>into feelings and emotions. You know, I'm I really try

0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:55.360
<v Speaker 1>to watch body language, and tonight we saw out on stage.

0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:58.560
<v Speaker 1>But even last night, in the date that Peter and

0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Madison had together, when he's trying to convince her to

0:49:02.719 --> 0:49:07.400
<v Speaker 1>come meet his parents, there's the physicality there is lacking,

0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:10.440
<v Speaker 1>like she there. If people please will go back and

0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:13.879
<v Speaker 1>watch that moment from yesterday, there's moments where Peter tries

0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:15.360
<v Speaker 1>to go in to kiss her, to hold her, and

0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:18.440
<v Speaker 1>she's like recoiling from him. And then tonight you get

0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:22.040
<v Speaker 1>on stage and I remember, you know, granted my situation

0:49:22.160 --> 0:49:24.560
<v Speaker 1>with Garrett a couple years ago during my finale is

0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:28.360
<v Speaker 1>completely different from this. I cannot compare the two. But

0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:30.239
<v Speaker 1>in this moment, for the most part, this should be

0:49:30.920 --> 0:49:33.279
<v Speaker 1>you're finally in public together, you can finally say so,

0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:35.640
<v Speaker 1>there's names in front of everyone. There should be some

0:49:35.920 --> 0:49:40.200
<v Speaker 1>sort of excitement and giddiness and like I couldn't keep

0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:44.399
<v Speaker 1>my hands off Garrett and the couches seem to get

0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:47.520
<v Speaker 1>smaller here by here on the stage. But when Peter

0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:50.040
<v Speaker 1>and Madison were sitting on it together, it's like they

0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:53.360
<v Speaker 1>weren't touching whatsoever. It was like they I don't know,

0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:55.240
<v Speaker 1>it just felt off to me. It felt very strange.

0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:57.920
<v Speaker 1>And of course, as you said, yes there was tension

0:49:58.000 --> 0:50:01.279
<v Speaker 1>with the family and Barbe had met with his friends too,

0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:05.319
<v Speaker 1>But still, if you still want to make this relationship work,

0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:10.600
<v Speaker 1>you still have to have some sort of communication internally

0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:12.399
<v Speaker 1>with each other. And if they want to make this work,

0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:15.680
<v Speaker 1>like Peter, have her back, like grab or hold her close,

0:50:15.800 --> 0:50:19.719
<v Speaker 1>like do something to reassure her in this moment, Yeah,

0:50:20.040 --> 0:50:21.960
<v Speaker 1>and it just wasn't there. It should have taken up

0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:24.400
<v Speaker 1>for her, Like I don't agree with going up against

0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:27.080
<v Speaker 1>your family like that, and I definitely believe in respect,

0:50:27.280 --> 0:50:30.479
<v Speaker 1>but I felt like he, like you said, he should

0:50:30.520 --> 0:50:33.799
<v Speaker 1>have butted in a bit and defended her a little

0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:35.759
<v Speaker 1>bit more. Yeah. Well, and we were watching it and

0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:38.480
<v Speaker 1>in that moment, I'm like, Peter, stand up for her,

0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:40.600
<v Speaker 1>have her back, say something. You know. We saw him

0:50:40.640 --> 0:50:43.040
<v Speaker 1>be like, well, dad, say something. But it's like, if

0:50:43.120 --> 0:50:45.239
<v Speaker 1>that was my man, I would want him to have

0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:48.040
<v Speaker 1>my back regardless. Yeah, and I would want to feel

0:50:48.080 --> 0:50:51.680
<v Speaker 1>safe and secure in that moment. Goods terrifying. You're on

0:50:52.160 --> 0:50:54.200
<v Speaker 1>You're in front of a live audience on live TV

0:50:54.360 --> 0:50:57.920
<v Speaker 1>with millions of people watching. Yeah, like you need to

0:50:58.360 --> 0:51:00.959
<v Speaker 1>be together if that's what you're trying to be. Yeah,

0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:04.480
<v Speaker 1>And you hit the nail on the head because you

0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:07.800
<v Speaker 1>knew how your family felt about her before we did tonight,

0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:10.560
<v Speaker 1>and so you should have been prepared to fight for

0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:13.960
<v Speaker 1>your relationship just a little bit more. If you choose Madison,

0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:16.640
<v Speaker 1>then stand behind and behind it and fight for it

0:51:16.760 --> 0:51:18.959
<v Speaker 1>and fight for what you guys have. And we didn't

0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:22.319
<v Speaker 1>see that from them tonight. I just this whole thing.

0:51:23.000 --> 0:51:26.080
<v Speaker 1>It was more. We've been calling this season a shit show,

0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:31.160
<v Speaker 1>but tonight it really was the culmination of that. I mean,

0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:38.960
<v Speaker 1>it was way way crazier than I expected. My advice

0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:41.520
<v Speaker 1>to Peter and Madison at this point would just be like,

0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:46.040
<v Speaker 1>you just need to go away from the public and

0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:48.440
<v Speaker 1>find yourselves, because I do know what it's like for

0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:51.040
<v Speaker 1>everybody to have an opinion about your relationship, and sorry,

0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:52.719
<v Speaker 1>this is what we do on this podcast. We have

0:51:52.840 --> 0:51:55.840
<v Speaker 1>opinions about what we just saw, so I get that,

0:51:56.480 --> 0:51:59.640
<v Speaker 1>but you need to go away from the spotlight do

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:03.919
<v Speaker 1>you and figure yourselves out without anybody else having their

0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:07.640
<v Speaker 1>own opinion, even his family. Madison and Peter need to

0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:10.640
<v Speaker 1>define who they are away from everybody else. I'm not

0:52:10.800 --> 0:52:14.120
<v Speaker 1>quite sure what's going to happen. I hope she focuses

0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:17.439
<v Speaker 1>on their relationship and if you're going to come back

0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:21.560
<v Speaker 1>to Peter and knowing what you're walking into because she

0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:24.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of got into it with the mom before, then

0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I hope that you give it your all and I

0:52:27.040 --> 0:52:31.920
<v Speaker 1>hope that's your focus more than whatever your new career.

0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:35.239
<v Speaker 1>I want to end it on a high note, though,

0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:38.400
<v Speaker 1>because we've this entire season, we've seen so much stuff

0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:42.880
<v Speaker 1>go down, and tonight that was no exception. But we

0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:47.080
<v Speaker 1>did introduce one other badass lady to the stage, which

0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:50.840
<v Speaker 1>was our upcoming back store at Claire Crawley, which you know,

0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:52.560
<v Speaker 1>we didn't get to see too much of her. I'm

0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:54.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of bummed because I was hoping she'd be able

0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:56.279
<v Speaker 1>to meet a couple of her guys that she will

0:52:56.320 --> 0:53:00.160
<v Speaker 1>soon be dating. But she is going to be a

0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:03.360
<v Speaker 1>brother of fresh Air, I think for us, and I

0:53:03.520 --> 0:53:06.480
<v Speaker 1>really liked not to bring up anyone's past, but I

0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:08.920
<v Speaker 1>liked the scene that Chris pulled up of her with

0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Juan Pablo and putting him in his place and saying

0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:14.319
<v Speaker 1>what she had to say, because we know going into

0:53:14.520 --> 0:53:17.480
<v Speaker 1>this upcoming season she's not going to be afraid to

0:53:17.600 --> 0:53:20.400
<v Speaker 1>call out guys. I think she's gonna nip the bullshit

0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:23.040
<v Speaker 1>in the butt when she can, and it's gonna be

0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:27.240
<v Speaker 1>such a different vibe from what we've seen in Peter's season,

0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:30.000
<v Speaker 1>i think in the couple of seasons past. So I'm

0:53:30.160 --> 0:53:34.560
<v Speaker 1>really excited and looking forward to Claire agreed. I feel

0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:38.080
<v Speaker 1>like the franchise has spoken, they heard you, Bachelination. They're

0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:41.200
<v Speaker 1>wiping the slate clean. I think we've gone through this

0:53:41.760 --> 0:53:45.200
<v Speaker 1>phase of leads and I think we're a little over

0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:47.840
<v Speaker 1>it at this point with the outcomes that we've received.

0:53:48.000 --> 0:53:50.560
<v Speaker 1>So it'll be nice to see what Claire brings to

0:53:50.600 --> 0:53:52.920
<v Speaker 1>the table because it's gonna be something different. So I

0:53:53.040 --> 0:53:55.320
<v Speaker 1>hope you guys are excited as we are to watch it,

0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:58.319
<v Speaker 1>and you know we'll be covering it here on bats

0:53:58.360 --> 0:54:02.600
<v Speaker 1>were happy. I also really the hope that Claire finds

0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:05.359
<v Speaker 1>love and there's an engagement, because I want to see

0:54:05.480 --> 0:54:08.120
<v Speaker 1>what a lasting ring looks like, because I feel like

0:54:08.200 --> 0:54:10.680
<v Speaker 1>they've been so brief we can barely even see them

0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:13.600
<v Speaker 1>these past couple of seasons. That's well said. We need

0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:15.399
<v Speaker 1>more of the got to put an l into work,

0:54:16.920 --> 0:54:19.680
<v Speaker 1>all right, So let's put a pen in it because

0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:23.200
<v Speaker 1>we've got more for you guys. You're welcome coming up

0:54:23.239 --> 0:54:25.040
<v Speaker 1>on Friday. We've got part two of our Hannah and

0:54:25.200 --> 0:54:27.120
<v Speaker 1>interview because we just couldn't get enough of her. We

0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:29.600
<v Speaker 1>had to keep the conversation going, and we know you

0:54:29.680 --> 0:54:31.600
<v Speaker 1>guys want to hear a whole lot more from her,

0:54:31.680 --> 0:54:33.640
<v Speaker 1>So Friday we'll be back