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Speaker 1: the final rows. I mean, how do we sum this

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Speaker 1: Batcher Nation, Batchler Happy Hour listeners. I know you were

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Speaker 1: But I am so excited that we are talking. Wait,

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Speaker 1: and that person is Hannah Ann. Hannah Anne, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Bats for Happy Hour. Thank you guys, happily. Well we

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Speaker 1: I mean I needed personally first say when I first

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Speaker 1: whether they're going to accept a proposal, they have no idea.

429
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,240
Speaker 1: You were struggling before the engagement. Why was that because

430
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,920
Speaker 1: we never really got those answers. Yeah, my instincts were

431
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 1: telling me I wasn't getting all the information I needed

432
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,879
Speaker 1: to make a decision with Peter. And that's intuition. That's intuition,

433
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,200
Speaker 1: and that's instincts. And should I have stayed on that

434
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 1: bed in Australia, Absolutely, But I wasn't going to give

435
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,640
Speaker 1: up on someone that I loved and he the last

436
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 1: words he told me on our last chance date was

437
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,880
Speaker 1: that he was going to make the decision that's best

438
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 1: for both of us and to trust him. And when

439
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 1: you're with someone, you know, this is a wacky situation,

440
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,880
Speaker 1: but I'm taking it for what it is. When you're

441
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,239
Speaker 1: with someone, you trust their words. Yeah, and that's why

442
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 1: I showed up. So I was going to trust his

443
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 1: words and follow through and in the end, I think he,

444
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, took advantage of the fact that he conveniently

445
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 1: left out very important information prior to me making a

446
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 1: commitment with them. And you know, as the audience is

447
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 1: watching this for the very first time, I'm just like

448
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 1: an average viewer, Like I'm just like everyone else watching this,

449
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: Like a lot of information was left out, which is

450
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 1: why Boucher happy our listeners. I need to reiterate this

451
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 1: because I was the same way when I was in

452
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 1: your position. This is Hannah Ann's first time truly watching

453
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 1: this all go down. Yes, she lived it, but there

454
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 1: are so many pieces to this entire puzzle that she

455
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: missed that she didn't see, and so she was backsage

456
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 1: watching it, just like we all were watching it. And

457
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 1: so I'm sure in those moments and even now, there's

458
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 1: going to be a lot that you're still processing. Can

459
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 1: I ask you a question when you say that there

460
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: was a lot you didn't see, are you just talking

461
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 1: about what happened post engagement or are you also talking

462
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 1: about what you watched the entire this whole journey, like

463
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,479
Speaker 1: all these weeks, this entire season, the entire season entirely,

464
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: like explained about that really it was Peter wanted me

465
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 1: to stay with him, and he downplayed his feelings towards

466
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: Madison completely, and even you know, after our breakup, he

467
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: couldn't really own up to it and reached out to

468
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: my parents and said that he you know, basically that

469
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: he was struggling processing all of his emotions. That's what

470
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 1: he left at and it was very vague. He speaks

471
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: half truths, and so when while I'm watching this season,

472
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, well, okay, that may solve our sense,

473
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: Like this why we broke up makes a whole lot

474
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: more sense because he couldn't really own up to the

475
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: fact of how he was truly feeling. I want to

476
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: know too. So after okay, so after you guys did

477
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: get engaged, and he was very vague about oh, yeah,

478
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: Madison left two days ago, but you guys still ended

479
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: up together. You have days when you're together before I'm

480
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 1: sure you flew back to the US, before you know,

481
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 1: you got back to your normal life. Did he in

482
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: those moments ever disclose more of why she left? Did

483
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: you guys get into that conversation. No, he always whenever

484
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: that conversation was brought up, it was always like, this

485
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: is the past, and always made sure to reassure me

486
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: that I was his person, that I was loved life,

487
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: and that he was always going to choose me. So

488
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 1: always kind of went in with that reassurance to where

489
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, hmm okay. But as a season started to roll,

490
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: things weren't quite adding up. And so let's break this

491
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: down because I'm an evidenced, like logical, I need to

492
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: see how things timeline out. Yeah, so we talked to Peter.

493
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: So you get engaged somewhere around a week before Thanksgiving,

494
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: around that time, you're together this whole time. We talked

495
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: to Peter first week in January, he tells us he

496
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: is so happy. We talked to his parents. As we

497
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: can see, Barb cannot control her emotions and she was

498
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: happy at that time. So if it wasn't you, we

499
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: would have already known she was not okay. So the

500
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 1: season has started, y'all are still together? Yeah? When did

501
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: you have the conversation that we saw happen on TV TV?

502
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: You know, like I said on stage, beginning of January,

503
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: was when he approached me that he needed to speak

504
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: with Hannah Brown. Yeah, that's the first red flag. But

505
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: start talk about that he told me he need to

506
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: talk to Hannah Brown. Yes, he told me he needed

507
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,719
Speaker 1: to talk to Hannah Brown because he needed closure. Did

508
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: he not get that? I was trying to convince me

509
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: that I should feel comfortable with that, and I'm like,

510
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: why did he need closure? Why do you We were

511
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: engaged right and just listen, I wasn't on that group

512
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: date with him and Hannah Brown. Yeah. I had not

513
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: seen that episode of them all cozy cozy up in

514
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: accout him crying and her possibly coming back in the house.

515
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: I had no idea, like none, and so when he

516
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: brought that up, I'm like, wait, what, Like, I know

517
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: she came back in the season, but can you explain more?

518
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: And that was kind of when the episode was coming out,

519
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: and I'm like, why should I feel comfortable with this?

520
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: This is something that I feel like if you don't,

521
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: you don't seem like you're ready for any kind of commitment,

522
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: let alone an engagement. Yeah, that was the first red flag,

523
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: and I was questioning my own self because he was

524
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: trying to convince me that that is something that he needed,

525
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I just I don't quite feel settled

526
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: with that. So did he get the closure? No, that

527
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: was that was pretty close. I think that was like

528
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: a week before we broke up. So he never reached

529
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: out to her, He never tried to come or it

530
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: was Hannah Brown code for oh, let me maybe have

531
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: conversations with other women aka Madison, where he was trying

532
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: to open up the door and like test the waters

533
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: and see how you felt. I probably, I don't quite know.

534
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: That was so close to us breaking up, and then

535
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: there was that going on, you know, and then there

536
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: was the whole Oh the season started and I have

537
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: unresolved issues. I'm like, what's unresolved issues? I mean, I'm

538
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: by your side. I gave you my word to be

539
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: by your side, and his unresolved issues we're having to

540
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: watch back the show once again. He completely downplayed it completely.

541
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: And you know, when I showed up to the breakup,

542
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: that was the very first time I heard him say

543
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: I can't give you my full heart. And I told

544
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: him before I even went out there, I said, hey,

545
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: like you're wanting to in things, giving me a little

546
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: bit of heads up. I'll be fine, trust me, I'll cry,

547
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, just just giving me a heads up. And

548
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: we actually had talked that morning that we weren't going

549
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: to break up, that we were going to work through it.

550
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: When was this, um February, February, the very end of January,

551
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: very end of January. So y'all went all through December, Christmas. Cool.

552
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: It's fine. You never had any inkling that he was

553
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: because you during your breakup you kept saying I know

554
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: you've been struggling, and I'm here for you. That that

555
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: didn't start till January. That did not start till January.

556
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, because one of the one of the questions

557
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: we had when we were watching was seeing how happy

558
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: he was to go get that ring for you, Nileing.

559
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: We were sitting with Ni Ling watching tonight, and he

560
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: was like, the man I saw get that ring is

561
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: not the man that I see now, Like just totally

562
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: different he was. He was ecstatic, approsing, he was kissingures

563
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: of the day of Peter, kissing them the ring he

564
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: picked out. So I think what we're all trying to understand,

565
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: like Becca and I but also just like our listeners

566
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: batter Nation, is what happened. I yet the Hannah Brown unresolved.

567
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what that was. But with whatever he

568
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: said to you, where you started for you to say

569
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: when you were headed to la Hey, if we're breaking up,

570
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: let me know what was happening, because that's not the

571
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: first thing I would say. Yeah, I mean, it's just

572
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: like what he told my parents. Even after a breakup,

573
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: he was having trouble processing all of his emotions. Peter

574
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: does not own up completely to the full truth. Just

575
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: kind of like on our engagement day, he knew that

576
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: if he told me the full extent of where his

577
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: heart and head was at that entire week, he knew

578
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: the outcome would have been different. He knew that when

579
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: we sat down had to open an honest conversation, my

580
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: instincts would have picked up on that he was not

581
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: ready for a commitment. I think that's not what he wanted.

582
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: I think the Peter that we've seen all season is

583
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: he's a hopeless romantic. He kind of he has his

584
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: head in the clouds where I think he hypes himself

585
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: up to think he wants certain things, and it's not

586
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: until he can take a step back or start rewatching

587
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,239
Speaker 1: this season where he sees the things that he now

588
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: can't have. And I will say, like when I was

589
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: still with Ari, because we were together for about a

590
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: month and a half had three happy couples together, Like

591
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: you guys, you know, I knew he had been startling,

592
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: and he felt guilty for how things went down with

593
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: obviously Lauren and I'm sure the other girls, like that's

594
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: just a human instinct, but it wasn't. You know. He

595
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: started watching this season back. Our season started when we

596
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: were still together, and he said he watched our season,

597
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: our first episode because we the first date. It's like,

598
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'm more in love with you now

599
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: than I ever was. And then fast forward to the

600
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: next week where I wasn't on that date with him,

601
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: and he started seeing other things. And I think it's

602
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: in that moment where you watch it back as a man,

603
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: because I don't think I got this as a woman,

604
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to try to kind of process and

605
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: put my feet were what am I trying to say,

606
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: put my feet in his shoes? Whatever? Yeah, where he

607
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: started then watching it back and started seeing his first

608
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: date with Maddie and realizing the feelings were buried that

609
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: he couldn't, as you said, quite on up to and

610
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: acknowledge are hard human beings to try the thing that

611
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: I think makes me feel for you is that we

612
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: see him get down on one knee. Well, did we

613
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: see him get down on one knee? He did get down.

614
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: I think I missed the part. I think I was

615
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: so frazzled on it. But you're like, you know, he

616
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: gets engaged you, he proposes you, he promises you all

617
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: these things without being fully honest, and for everyone listening,

618
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: for all the men out there, if you think that

619
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: you have to do a certain thing because it's gonna

620
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: make us feel better, don't like, be honest with us

621
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: and give us the respect and the courtesy to make

622
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: our decisions. Maybe had you known the full extent of everything,

623
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: who knows what have happened, you could have very easily said,

624
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: you know, I love you, I want to be with you,

625
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: I want to work through things. Maybe an engagement won't

626
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: necessarily happen, But every woman and man who's on the

627
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: show too deserves that respect and deserves the truth. And

628
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: so I don't know exactly what happened. I mean, nothing

629
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: really surprises me by Peter. Watching back the season has

630
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: actually been really helpful for me because it's helped me

631
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: work through any unresolved feelings that had towards him. Because

632
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: I'm able to see how he is consistently indecisive and confusing,

633
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: and who wants to be with that? And that doesn't

634
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: make me feel secure in being with him. And so

635
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: it's really helped me move forward because I know I

636
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: deserve more than just someone giving, you know, than someone

637
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: just half loving me. You know, I deserve someone hut,

638
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, someone who's gonna give me a one hundred percent.

639
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: And I felt like me being so clear and not

640
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: playing mind games with him, that he would give me

641
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: that return, but really he was just reckless with my heart.

642
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: Well when he had been, he had said all season

643
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: I want someone to love me as much as I

644
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: love them, and that was you. You gave that to him,

645
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: You did, you loved him more of anything, and so

646
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: I think he didn't. I think he went into this

647
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: season thinking one thing, thinking it was going to be

648
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: this magical, like beautiful, super easy, great seas love story,

649
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,719
Speaker 1: and that wasn't the case, and I think he couldn't

650
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: quite own up to what it was he truly wants

651
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: and needs in a partner. All Right, Bachelor Happy Our

652
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: Listeners Part two with the amazing Hannah and will be

653
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: coming up this Friday. But you know, we have to

654
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: get into everything that happened during the finale. So Rachel,

655
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: we got to dive in. You and I need to

656
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: talk Beck up. We need to talk about what we saw.

657
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: So Hannah Ann came out. She was a boss. She

658
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: killed it, She said her piece. She put Peter in

659
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: his place. He couldn't even defend himself. All he could

660
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: say was you're right. So the second half of the

661
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: episode we deal with what happened with Madison. Chris Harrison

662
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: goes to her. I'm gonna sum this up real quick

663
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: because we just want to get to the meat of it.

664
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison goes to see Madison. Madison says she's still

665
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: into Peter, and she goes out to fly with Peter.

666
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: We don't know the exact timeline. We don't know how

667
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: much time was. It seemed like it was very quick.

668
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: Seemed like she hopped on a plane and flew out

669
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: with Chris Harrison to La. That's how it was presented

670
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: to right. She gets to La, Peters no idea, who's

671
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: going to see here? They see each other, they say

672
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: they have this. There's so much to talk about. Of course,

673
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: in true fashion this season, we see them talk about

674
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing other than they have feelings for each other,

675
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: and then it cuts to Peter talking about Madison. We

676
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: see Madison come out, We see them sitting there there,

677
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: seem happy, but they're not touching. There seems to still

678
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: be some space in between them, and we see them

679
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: once again kind of dance around what it is that

680
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: they are. We still are they boyfriend girlfriend? We know

681
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: they're not engaged. We obviously know they're not married. And

682
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: one thing we learn for sure is that Barbe and

683
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: the rest of the family and apparently the friends as well,

684
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: do not approve of their relationships. So Becca, that sums

685
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: up what we saw. Where do we even start to

686
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: begin about it? I mean, all of that being said,

687
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: what was your take when it came to watching what

688
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: went down tonight? Because I didn't expect any of this.

689
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: You could read a spoiler an article, have your own

690
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: preconceived notions, but you didn't know it was going to

691
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: go down like this. No, And the best way I

692
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: can describe it is when we first sat down with

693
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: Peter at the very beginning of his season, he said

694
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: he felt like there was something new and crazy thrown

695
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: his way every week, and I feel like that didn't

696
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: stop even through the finale, and like, think of everything

697
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: that went down tonight, people, the main craziest part should

698
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: have been that switched rou in the breakup with Hannah

699
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: Ann and it wasn't. It was everything that played out

700
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: after and Rachel, as you said, we don't know, we're

701
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: Madison and Peter stand. We don't know what is going on.

702
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: We don't even know if they're in a relationship, if

703
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: they're not in a relationship. Rachel is currently holding up

704
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: a picture of Madison right now, and I don't know

705
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: what that means. But Laura K Publications just couldn't help

706
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: herself and put posted a picture of Madison her new

707
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: client about how she's the epitome of a class acts.

708
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: So Madison already has a manager slash pr person slash

709
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: agent who couldn't wait five seconds to posts that this

710
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: is her new client. I'm sorry, Becca, I know that

711
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: you're talking and I'm so distracted, but it just so

712
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: goes into something that we talked about this season when

713
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: it comes to we couldn't understand and I really wish

714
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: we had the opportunity to talk to Madison, and I

715
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: really wish we had the opportunity to talk to Peter

716
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: about why are you here when you're looking for a

717
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: certain type of man who has certain values, certain standards,

718
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with that. You should want what

719
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: you want for yourself. But the confusing part comes in

720
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: you're looking for him in a place where usually those

721
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: type of men don't dwell and as we have understood,

722
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: as we understand, Peter is not that type of man

723
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: for you, which is his parents and friends concern. And

724
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: in trying to figure out the logical way of what

725
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: could her possible motivation reason be for being here, one

726
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: of those is that she wants to experience the platform,

727
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: the Bachelorette, the followers, whatever. And I just find it

728
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: very coincidental that she has hired a manager slash pr

729
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: person slash agent to represent her, which we know prior

730
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: to the season being over with, because that person posted

731
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: her on International Women's Day and the season was still

732
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: going and now could miss a beat to let everybody know, Hey,

733
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: if you want deals on Madison, I represent her, which

734
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: makes me question her motives this entire time. I'm sorry, sorry,

735
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: I know Madison fans are going to come after me,

736
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: but I'm sorry. You have to be logical about this. Situation.

737
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: Hannah Anne told us she doesn't even have one, and

738
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: this girl's been modeling for years. Yeah, no, Rachel, you

739
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: are talking to a rule follower here, because there are

740
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: certain timelines that we have to adhere to as the

741
00:36:54,520 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: lead and getting representation, and at that point doesn't add up. I,

742
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: for one, don't even have an agent still, and I've

743
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: been Bacherette, i mean two years ago, and I still

744
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: just do most things myself. So you know, as you

745
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: just mentioned, you're probably going to get a lot of

746
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: backlash for that. But that's on the case people. I mean,

747
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: Rachel's calling it like it is, and it's a very

748
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: strange scenario that we find ourselves in after this whole

749
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 1: Bachelor world. But it doesn't add up. It's very interesting

750
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: to me given the timeline of everything. Yeah, it doesn't

751
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: make sense that aside. I like, my main takeaway from

752
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: tonight is we watched last night's episode and we watched

753
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: Madison send herself home two days before the finale because,

754
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: as she said, their lifestyles and their morals don't line up,

755
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: they don't match, so she removes herself. Okay, that's one

756
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: thing good for her in that moment, for standing up

757
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: for what she believes, what she thinks is right and logical. Yes,

758
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: nothing since then has changed though, besides Peter is still

759
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: saying he loves her. Yeah, you know, guess Chris Harrison

760
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: flew out to Auburn to tell her that Peter was

761
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: engaged and then ended this engagement because he still loves medicine.

762
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: But regardless, like their lifestyles are still the same, he

763
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: was still engaged. She had an issue with him being

764
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: intimate with women in the fantasy suite. Well, what do

765
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: you think happened during those couple months when he was engaged.

766
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: He had a woman he was engaged to being intimate with.

767
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: Nothing has changed. I just don't understand how if I

768
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: understand her feeling, even if I don't agree with it,

769
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that I don't understand it. I understand

770
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: the feeling of how difficult that is to accept a

771
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: proposal from someone that you know that just was intimate

772
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,479
Speaker 1: with other a woman or other women where we don't

773
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: know for sure. So that's fine, that's what you believe in.

774
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: What people have been so proud of her and praising

775
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: her for is that she has these morals and these convictions,

776
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: and she holds true to them. Now, you know, as

777
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: you were saying, Becca, he got down on one knee

778
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: and said he wanted to give his whole heart and

779
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 1: spend the rest of his life with another woman. Has

780
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: spent time, you know, cultivating that relationship, and then breaks

781
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: it off and says he, well, he didn't tell her

782
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: he wanted her, but you knew that he broke it off.

783
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: And I think Chris Harrison said it was because of her,

784
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: so she did know. And you're so easily willing to

785
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: take him back. It's, you know, the same people who

786
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: were praising her for that. How can you still hold

787
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: true that, Oh she knows what she wants and she

788
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: deserves better, But yes, she goes running back to him,

789
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: And there's just so many contradictions. It's so confusing that

790
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: I understand why his family has their concerns, which brings

791
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: us to a whole another topic. They had that camera

792
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: on poor Barb with I don't even think she knew

793
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: the whole time. Oh my gosh, I felt so bad

794
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: for her. I mean, I'm a person who cannot control

795
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,959
Speaker 1: my facial expressions. Becca, you say you can't control your hands.

796
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: You don't know what to do with them in a picture.

797
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: I cannot control my facial expressions, so I just wear

798
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 1: it all all my face. And this is a mother,

799
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: you guys. You may not agree with her, but this

800
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 1: is a mother who is concerned about the well being

801
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: and the heart of her son, and she wants somebody

802
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: who loves her son unconditionally. And she had that with

803
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: Hannah Anne. Yes, maybe her delivery was a little bit off. Yes, Rachel,

804
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: as you said, it is a mother and I am

805
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: not a mum, but I can only imagine that protectiveness,

806
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: that mother bear instinct that you have for a children

807
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: a child, and we saw that with her and all

808
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: she wanted she's been saying this the entire time, is

809
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: that she wants somebody to love her son the same

810
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: way she fell in love with her husband. And she

811
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: saw that with Hannah Anne. Now one thing that I'm

812
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: glad that she brought up. And maybe this is the

813
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: moment where she should have been cut off after she

814
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 1: said this the first time, but she said, you know, Madison,

815
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: when she came in after having this great moment with

816
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: Hannah Anne, Madison came in. She made them wait for

817
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: three hours. She didn't say sorry, you know, apologies for

818
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: making you wait. This is already a long process as

819
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: it is, like they've been waiting to see their son.

820
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: They've only seen him for one day in the span

821
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: of a couple months, and so that in itself, I'm

822
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: sure it's frustrating. But and Barb discloses very briefly today

823
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: to us and on the TV. But when she had

824
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: that moment with Madison, and it wasn't aired, but she

825
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: asked Madison, do you love my son? And Madison in

826
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: that moment said no. So as a mom, I can

827
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: only put myself in that position and say, well, I

828
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: have one woman here who's all in, wholeheartedly ready to

829
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: give herself to my son, and one who, at this

830
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: moment in time, you know he's already to get engaged tomorrow,

831
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: is saying no, I don't love your son. Of Course

832
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: she's gonna have questions. Of course she's going to call

833
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: that out to Peter and say maybe she's not the

834
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: one for you. And now, granted, people, I know that

835
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: there's a lot that we don't see. You know, we're

836
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: trying to make a show in a two hour period

837
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: once a week. There's so much that goes down. But

838
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: going off of what we know that is alarming. Yeah,

839
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: and Blake, let's break this down what you said. So

840
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: a lot of times people say to us, you know,

841
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: you're not taking into consideration what you didn't see. Well,

842
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: you're welcome, you guys, to bar because she told you

843
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: what you didn't see. So just imagine last night. You

844
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: hear Barbe express her feelings and you see her crying,

845
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: and you see her saying but she's just not into you,

846
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: She's not here for you, and you're wondering, how in

847
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: the world is she saying that. Then people go on

848
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: social media and are all in Barbe's comments and they're

849
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: saying all these things to her. So Barb feels the

850
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: need to defend herself. Okay, whether you agree with her

851
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: or not, she felt the need to speak her truth.

852
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: So what did she do the first opportunity she was

853
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: given the chance to do it? She spoke her truth.

854
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: And she explained to you guys that three hours or

855
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: she waited three hours for Madison to come speak to her,

856
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: and Madison did not even want to come in and

857
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: meet the parents. How would that make you feel as

858
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: a family member, possibly meeting your fiance of your son,

859
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: the potential fiance of your son. The girl doesn't even

860
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: want to walk in and meet you. Then she does

861
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: come in and meet you, and that's only because your

862
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: son begged her to come in. How do you accept

863
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: somebody into your family when that's how you're starting off.

864
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: Then when she does come inside, she doesn't even have

865
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: the courtesy to apologize for the three hours she kept

866
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: the family waiting, So you're already setting this scene and

867
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: this mood for the family to come and talk to you.

868
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: Then Barb Reville that when she did talk to her,

869
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: as Becca stated, she said, I don't I don't love

870
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: him when asked, and she said she wouldn't accept a proposal.

871
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: So of course Barbe is crying knowing that her son

872
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: is maddening in love with a girl who does not

873
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: reciprocate those feelings. And that is the emotion that you're

874
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: seeing come from Barb. So before you judge her and

875
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: you jump on her, Yes, Beck and I both agree

876
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: she took it just a little too far and aired

877
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: a little too much information. But in that moment, in

878
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: what she said, that she is giving you the background

879
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: that you guys so desperately beg for, and you're still

880
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: holding it against her because we've seen social media today

881
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: and you guys are ripping Barb. That is what I

882
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: just like, don't think it's fair, and I don't understand

883
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: how when she said that, and she put it back

884
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: the ball back in Madison in Pete Peter's court. What

885
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: was Madison's response? Nothing. She never addressed what Barbe said.

886
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 1: She never addressed saying she wasn't in love with Peter.

887
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: She never addressed saying she wouldn't accept a proposal, that

888
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 1: she made them wait for three hours, that she didn't

889
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: want to meet them. She skirted over that and simply

890
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: responded by saying, I have always been myself this entire time.

891
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 1: And what did the audience do? Clap? I will say this, though,

892
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot that went down tonight that

893
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: was painful to watch and to take in. I really

894
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: am struggling with the lack of conversation. Yeah, between I

895
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: wanted her to explain why she did that, and she

896
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: did and she just said I've been myself and you

897
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: guys clapped. But she did say one thing that I

898
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: will say warranted a good response from the audience, as

899
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: she said, it's not just Peter finding love, it's me too,

900
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: and it's fifty fifty, which I will back her up

901
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: in that regard and say, yes, girlfriend, it is fifty fifty.

902
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. But still there was that lack of communication.

903
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: There was that lack of conversation. She didn't address the

904
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: conversation with Barb that Barb had brought up. Also to

905
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: the moment when we saw Madison go back to la

906
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 1: and see Peter for the first time, I mean, clearly

907
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: he was shocked, as he said he thought it was

908
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: Chris walking behind him. But in that moment too, when

909
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: they reunited, there wasn't really any depth to that conversation either,

910
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: other than love and Rachel you said it best when

911
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: we were talking to Hannah Anne is that it's a room.

912
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: Ever for the most part, vateranation is made up of

913
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: hopeless romantics. It's a room of people who want the lead,

914
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: and these people on TV two find love. That's the

915
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: base of it. And yes, Peter's expressing that to Madison,

916
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: But there needs to be more than that. There needs

917
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: to be more addressed than just I love you. I

918
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: ended my engagement for you. Like all of the reasons

919
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 1: why you guys ended in the first place are still

920
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: there and that needs to be brought up because me

921
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: as a viewer, and I've said this all season, is

922
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: that I feel like I'm missing so much. I guess

923
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: my thing is is the whole It's fifty fifty and

924
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: that's right, But are you giving fifty fifty because that's

925
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: not what we're saying. And then also, it's my journey. Okay,

926
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: that's true. It is your journey, and nobody's taking that

927
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 1: away from you. But we're trying to understand the contradictions

928
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: that are within your journey. We're trying to understand where

929
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 1: you are with Peter and where your heart is. Because

930
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I didn't see it on that stage tonight.

931
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: I don't doubt that Peter and Madison have love for

932
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: each other. I a hundred percent agree with that. But

933
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: what I saw on that stage tonight, all I saw

934
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: was that it's not if this is going to end,

935
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: it's when it's going to end. The odds are always

936
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: against you already, And if you don't believe what I'm

937
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: saying or what Becca saying, can we talk about the

938
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: voice of reason in the family, Pete Senior. When Pete

939
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: Senior spoke, he said, when you're in the beginning of

940
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: a relationship, that's when it's light and it's fun, and

941
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: you're so like two getty kids getting to know each other.

942
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: And that has not been the case for Madison and Peter.

943
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: It's been difficult. It's been hard. They're so opposite to attract.

944
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: But your morals and your values have to be the same,

945
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: and that what Peter's family is saying is that they're

946
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: not on the same level. So this relationship is kind

947
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: of doomed. If Madison is really that strong into her convictions,

948
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: which no one's faulting her for, then you can't possibly

949
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: want the type of man that Peter is, which again

950
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: that's not a problem for him, that's who he is.

951
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: It it just won't work. It's just you can want

952
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: to see them together and want love for Peter and

953
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: want love for Madison, but the two of them together,

954
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: it just doesn't work. And if you didn't think, if

955
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: you thought it was because they were different in their

956
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: lifestyles and their values. Now, add on top that the

957
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: family does not like her. The family does not get

958
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: along with her, and she went back at Barbe not

959
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: faulting her for defending herself at all. I probably would

960
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: have done the same thing, but on Live TV went

961
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 1: back and forth. It is clear that there is tension

962
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: there that they don't get along. Peter's very into his

963
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: family and there's just no way that Madison herself is

964
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: going to want to be a part of a family

965
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: that's not into her and that doesn't accept her, which

966
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: Barb just said in front of millions and people, in

967
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: front of the whole world, like it's doomed. And it's

968
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: sad to say that because we wanted Peter to find love,

969
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: but it's doomed. Yeah. And one thing too, like playing

970
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: into feelings and emotions. You know, I'm I really try

971
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: to watch body language, and tonight we saw out on stage.

972
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: But even last night, in the date that Peter and

973
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: Madison had together, when he's trying to convince her to

974
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: come meet his parents, there's the physicality there is lacking,

975
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: like she there. If people please will go back and

976
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: watch that moment from yesterday, there's moments where Peter tries

977
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: to go in to kiss her, to hold her, and

978
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: she's like recoiling from him. And then tonight you get

979
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: on stage and I remember, you know, granted my situation

980
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: with Garrett a couple years ago during my finale is

981
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: completely different from this. I cannot compare the two. But

982
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: in this moment, for the most part, this should be

983
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: you're finally in public together, you can finally say so,

984
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: there's names in front of everyone. There should be some

985
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: sort of excitement and giddiness and like I couldn't keep

986
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: my hands off Garrett and the couches seem to get

987
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: smaller here by here on the stage. But when Peter

988
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: and Madison were sitting on it together, it's like they

989
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: weren't touching whatsoever. It was like they I don't know,

990
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 1: it just felt off to me. It felt very strange.

991
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: And of course, as you said, yes there was tension

992
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: with the family and Barbe had met with his friends too,

993
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: But still, if you still want to make this relationship work,

994
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: you still have to have some sort of communication internally

995
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 1: with each other. And if they want to make this work,

996
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: like Peter, have her back, like grab or hold her close,

997
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: like do something to reassure her in this moment, Yeah,

998
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: and it just wasn't there. It should have taken up

999
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: for her, Like I don't agree with going up against

1000
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: your family like that, and I definitely believe in respect,

1001
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,479
Speaker 1: but I felt like he, like you said, he should

1002
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: have butted in a bit and defended her a little

1003
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: bit more. Yeah. Well, and we were watching it and

1004
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: in that moment, I'm like, Peter, stand up for her,

1005
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: have her back, say something. You know. We saw him

1006
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: be like, well, dad, say something. But it's like, if

1007
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: that was my man, I would want him to have

1008
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: my back regardless. Yeah, and I would want to feel

1009
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: safe and secure in that moment. Goods terrifying. You're on

1010
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: You're in front of a live audience on live TV

1011
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: with millions of people watching. Yeah, like you need to

1012
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,959
Speaker 1: be together if that's what you're trying to be. Yeah,

1013
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: And you hit the nail on the head because you

1014
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: knew how your family felt about her before we did tonight,

1015
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: and so you should have been prepared to fight for

1016
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: your relationship just a little bit more. If you choose Madison,

1017
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: then stand behind and behind it and fight for it

1018
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,959
Speaker 1: and fight for what you guys have. And we didn't

1019
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: see that from them tonight. I just this whole thing.

1020
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: It was more. We've been calling this season a shit show,

1021
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: but tonight it really was the culmination of that. I mean,

1022
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: it was way way crazier than I expected. My advice

1023
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: to Peter and Madison at this point would just be like,

1024
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: you just need to go away from the public and

1025
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: find yourselves, because I do know what it's like for

1026
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: everybody to have an opinion about your relationship, and sorry,

1027
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: this is what we do on this podcast. We have

1028
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: opinions about what we just saw, so I get that,

1029
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: but you need to go away from the spotlight do

1030
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 1: you and figure yourselves out without anybody else having their

1031
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: own opinion, even his family. Madison and Peter need to

1032
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: define who they are away from everybody else. I'm not

1033
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: quite sure what's going to happen. I hope she focuses

1034
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: on their relationship and if you're going to come back

1035
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: to Peter and knowing what you're walking into because she

1036
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: kind of got into it with the mom before, then

1037
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: I hope that you give it your all and I

1038
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: hope that's your focus more than whatever your new career.

1039
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: I want to end it on a high note, though,

1040
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: because we've this entire season, we've seen so much stuff

1041
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: go down, and tonight that was no exception. But we

1042
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: did introduce one other badass lady to the stage, which

1043
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: was our upcoming back store at Claire Crawley, which you know,

1044
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: we didn't get to see too much of her. I'm

1045
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: kind of bummed because I was hoping she'd be able

1046
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: to meet a couple of her guys that she will

1047
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: soon be dating. But she is going to be a

1048
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: brother of fresh Air, I think for us, and I

1049
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: really liked not to bring up anyone's past, but I

1050
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: liked the scene that Chris pulled up of her with

1051
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: Juan Pablo and putting him in his place and saying

1052
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: what she had to say, because we know going into

1053
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: this upcoming season she's not going to be afraid to

1054
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: call out guys. I think she's gonna nip the bullshit

1055
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: in the butt when she can, and it's gonna be

1056
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 1: such a different vibe from what we've seen in Peter's season,

1057
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: i think in the couple of seasons past. So I'm

1058
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: really excited and looking forward to Claire agreed. I feel

1059
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: like the franchise has spoken, they heard you, Bachelination. They're

1060
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: wiping the slate clean. I think we've gone through this

1061
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: phase of leads and I think we're a little over

1062
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: it at this point with the outcomes that we've received.

1063
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: So it'll be nice to see what Claire brings to

1064
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: the table because it's gonna be something different. So I

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Speaker 1: hope you guys are excited as we are to watch it,

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Speaker 1: and you know we'll be covering it here on bats

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Speaker 1: were happy. I also really the hope that Claire finds

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Speaker 1: what a lasting ring looks like, because I feel like

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Speaker 1: they've been so brief we can barely even see them

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Speaker 1: these past couple of seasons. That's well said. We need

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Speaker 1: more of the got to put an l into work,

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Speaker 1: all right, So let's put a pen in it because

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Speaker 1: we've got more for you guys. You're welcome coming up

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Speaker 1: on Friday. We've got part two of our Hannah and

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Speaker 1: interview because we just couldn't get enough of her. We

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Speaker 1: had to keep the conversation going, and we know you

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Speaker 1: guys want to hear a whole lot more from her,

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Speaker 1: So Friday we'll be back