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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: Vote every week at for ballers dot com. We've got

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Speaker 1: a new top twelve poll. Here's your top four Georgia, Texas, Washington, Michigan.

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Speaker 1: The bottom eight if you want to call it that,

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Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know, Florida State, Ohio State, Penn State,

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Speaker 1: week at verbolers dot com. We saw a little bit

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Speaker 1: of movement, right, so Michigan drops two.

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Speaker 2: They won weird, Yeah that was an odd drop, but

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Speaker 2: look this is These are the hearts and minds of

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Speaker 2: is a fickle crowd because USC also one. But we'll

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Speaker 2: talk about momentarily lost a little bit of steam here

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Speaker 1: I don't think that is ill advised. They lost to

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Speaker 1: for the first time this season. I think the most

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Speaker 1: beatdown of Baylor and Washington ever slow slowly kind of

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Speaker 2: Man, you got to play a quarterback first. You have

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Speaker 1: Hold on the whole game. Yeah, hold on, that's fair.

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Speaker 1: coming for. But who has taken care of their business?

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Speaker 1: Your words, not mine? Who is taking care of their

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Speaker 1: business more than Washington so far this season. I'll wait,

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Speaker 2: I think Michigan at this moment. I think Texas at

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Speaker 1: Mean at this point, at this point, they've looked impressive, but.

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Speaker 2: You got to give me something in the way of competition.

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Speaker 1: That's so mean. That is such a mean statement for

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Speaker 2: If I gave you Oklahoma minus four and a half

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Speaker 1: I would take Duke. I would take Duke.

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Speaker 2: That's another must win game at this point for Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but it's not unlike the topic you just

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Speaker 1: USC forty two, Arizona State twenty eight. And then we

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Speaker 1: Finley threw three picks.

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Speaker 2: They weren't great picks either. They were really like pump

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Speaker 2: just I can't wait to see what this offensive line

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Speaker 2: The USC game, though, I think, is notable. Okay, it's

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Speaker 1: I'll go with that. Yeah. USC finished with five hundred

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Speaker 1: Their conference title odds are still very high. They haven't

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Speaker 2: Think I think Notre Dame is better than Utah right now,

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Speaker 1: Never going to win this game. No, they were never

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Speaker 1: Do, I do. I like Kenny Dillingham so far. I

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Speaker 1: This question came to us on Patreon from our good

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Speaker 1: friend Dan, your namesake Dan, Yeah, and he says, despite

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Speaker 2: Western Kentucky? Yes, yeah, if if I were to needle

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Speaker 1: Despite only scoring fourteen points, did notre dame offensive performance

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Speaker 1: That's why these teams are beating Ohio State and that's

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Speaker 2: The lou Holts have a point, dare No, lou Holtz

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame has scored forty one, forty five, fifty six,

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Speaker 2: many points did Notre Dame score in the first half? U?

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Speaker 1: Zero? The answer to zero points in the first half. Right.

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Speaker 2: Whatever you think about Ohio State's defense, whatever you think

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Speaker 1: But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think it's overblown because that assumption says that, like,

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Speaker 2: did they have a numbers advantage those last two plays? Sure,

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Speaker 2: but on the same token this scoundrel on the same token.

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Speaker 2: That's to me, the concern with Notre Dame is also

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Speaker 2: the inability to do all of the little things correctly

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Speaker 2: all the time. And yes, obviously that the ten men

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Speaker 2: on the field those last two plays, you know, are

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Speaker 2: going to be the big, highlighter version of that answer.

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Speaker 2: But if you go into this game thinking, or you

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Speaker 2: came out of the game thinking, oh, Notre Dame lost

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Speaker 2: that more than Ohio State won that because Ohio State

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Speaker 2: was exposed in the run game, whatever. Ohio State took

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Speaker 2: care of the tiniest business in a way that Notre

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Speaker 2: Dame didn't, And I think that's the difference on the margins.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the question. I get why he asked the question.

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Speaker 1: I think it's mostly BS personal and this is still

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Speaker 1: an extremely physical team if you go back through the

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Speaker 1: archives of college football. Yes, lou Holtz was right. They

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Speaker 1: did lose to Clemson. You know what happened when they

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Speaker 1: played Clemson the next year, they beat their brains in Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in the playoff game. Then they lost Alabama. Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: a separate topic altogether, but I don't feel like Ohio

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Speaker 1: State is that far off. If you want to go

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Speaker 1: back to last season when they played Michigan, the issue

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Speaker 1: wasn't so much them getting pushed around as it was

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Speaker 1: them giving up big plays. There were pitiotic moments, as

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Speaker 1: we like to say, in that football game, a long

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Speaker 1: kick return, that kind of turned the game on oh

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Speaker 1: I would say both.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't just the long plays, but they were set

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Speaker 2: up by the success that they had on the ground.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, but the long plays ultimately were what swung

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Speaker 1: that game in Michigan's favor, both through the air and

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Speaker 1: on the ground and the special teams game. And so

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Speaker 1: I just don't think that Ohio State's that far off.

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is part of a grave trend

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Speaker 1: that is going to lead Ryan Day down this pathway

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Speaker 1: of having to leave Ohio State. I think they're fine.

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Speaker 2: Also, its results oriented and Ohio State won a tough

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Speaker 2: game on the road against a very good team, And

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Speaker 2: so all you can really draw from that is Ohio

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Speaker 2: State is better at winning right now than a very

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Speaker 2: good team Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and my very biased opinion, if I could kind

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Speaker 1: of take this in a slightly different direction, got Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame side of things. Yeah, I don't think it exposed

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Speaker 1: Ohio State as much as it exposed Brian Kelly and

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Speaker 1: Tommy Reese. Right, their inability to get still on them, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm still on them. I can't get had their inability

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Speaker 1: to get a good quarterback in this system, and actually

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Speaker 1: know how to use them was on full display. Because

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Speaker 1: it's a good line this year. They've had good lines.

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Speaker 1: It's a good backfield this year. It's a loaded backfield

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Speaker 1: this year. They also had loaded backfields in pretty much

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Speaker 1: every previous season. They've had better defenses in previous seasons

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Speaker 1: than they had this year. The thing they did not

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Speaker 1: have was a decent quarterback. A decent quarterback to make

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Speaker 1: the defense think twice about playing too heavily against the run.

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Speaker 1: They have that, they had it this year with Sam Hartman.

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Speaker 1: Now still we're not able to get the job done.

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Speaker 1: I get it. I get it before you say it.

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Speaker 1: You don't even have to go any further. Yeah, But

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Speaker 1: the fact that they got a guy in the system

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Speaker 1: now who actually makes a defense thing twice, who can

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Speaker 1: punish you, who can find the open, guy, who can

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Speaker 1: do things differently and make it more of a multi

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Speaker 1: dimensional offense, that speaks volumes about honestly, the last coaching regime,

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Speaker 1: and maybe even Tommy Reeves because he's having some issues

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Speaker 1: with quarterback down there at Alabama as well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, I mean the Tommy Reeves Brian Kelly

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Speaker 2: quarterback last year put up what ten points against Ohio state.

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Speaker 1: Not dramatically different. So here's what we're going to do.

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Speaker 1: We've got a bunch of other questions that came through

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