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Speaker 3: Welcome into North Side Territory, Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sahad Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney, where your

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Speaker 3: Cubs beat writers from the Athletic Patrick, After that exciting

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Speaker 3: no hitter from Wednesday night, we have to bring bring

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Speaker 3: the bring it all down to talk about injury news

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Speaker 3: and the Cubs kind of blowing a series against the

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Speaker 3: It's elbow inflammation, right, is that what they're calling it, Patrick?

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Speaker 2: They called it tendonitis.

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Speaker 1: Steel had described it as information in terms of what

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Speaker 1: So yeah, at least there's Thursday's off day here to

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Speaker 1: like let that no hitter just breathe for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: This season has had such an extreme back and forth nature,

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Speaker 1: I mean Steele would have been kind of like the

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Speaker 1: the front page, and Steele still has symptoms. He did

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Speaker 1: not play catch on Wednesday. That was sort of the plan.

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Speaker 1: The idea was like, you know, maybe he'll throw and

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Speaker 1: as Counsel said, these next ten days will be important.

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Speaker 1: If steals healthy, he will pitch. That is what council

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Speaker 2: This year and finish the season.

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Speaker 1: But obviously, when you're looking at a fifteen day I

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Speaker 3: And you know, like that there, this doesn't sound serious

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Speaker 3: when when they talk about you know, they're they're hoping

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Speaker 3: There's probably a few other injuries that I'm missing, but

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Speaker 3: this has happened with Steel before. He's it. He last

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Speaker 3: It was four arm tightness last year. This year is

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Speaker 3: council kind of nailed it as far as like these

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Speaker 3: but we don't need to push this right now. Let's

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Speaker 1: There is not enough time for him to stretch out

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Speaker 1: I've been running here and available to be an outgetter,

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Speaker 1: You know, there is not really a sense of urgency

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Speaker 1: The Cubs have wix Aside and tie On lined up

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Speaker 2: As you were talking Abide, it just kind of hit me, like.

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Speaker 1: You know, beating cancer certainly widened his perspective and I

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Speaker 1: long time, some of those widely respected. He had a

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Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, went up to Borzella and the

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Speaker 1: planes like all right, like how would you get me out?

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Speaker 2: Like what do you got? Like what?

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Speaker 1: Like help me see my game from that, you know,

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Speaker 1: game planning perspective of how people get me out? And

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Speaker 1: there was that edge to Rizzo to want to be great.

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Speaker 2: I remember.

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Speaker 1: And thin it was you over to Joey Vada once

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Speaker 1: kind of around that time too, and talking to you

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Speaker 1: for like twenty twenty five minutes. Yeah, uh, Rizzo, which

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Speaker 1: And that stuck with me and I think that, you know,

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Speaker 1: you need things like that to happen, like you know,

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Speaker 1: to to win a World Series, to break a century

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Speaker 1: and counting curse, you know, you need he needs to

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Speaker 1: get things right, because Rizzo was was kind of a

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Speaker 1: question mark coming out of San Diego, and that was

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Speaker 1: you know, one of Jed Hoyer's best trades. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he gives up Adrian Gonzalez and Rizzo was not the

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Speaker 2: I'd say like he was a good, solid prospect.

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Speaker 1: But I believe it was was Casey Kelly maybe was

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, Casey picture prospect, and then.

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Speaker 1: He really they put all this pressure on him in

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Speaker 1: San Diego, which I still it's it's San.

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Speaker 2: Diego, right there couldn't have been that much, you know,

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Speaker 1: Was a lot of expectations and he didn't handle it well.

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Speaker 1: And I think the thread throughout baseball is what's interesting is,

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Speaker 1: you know, Jed referenced rizzo struggles in San Diego when

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Speaker 1: he uh talked to Pete crow Armstrong after his really

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Speaker 1: rough major league debut.

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Speaker 2: We've seen what PC.

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Speaker 1: Done now, but you know, the Cubs training for Rizzo

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Speaker 1: is just one of those like you know, all time

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Speaker 1: franchise moves, you know, like twenty sixteen and everything around

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Speaker 1: that doesn't happen without Rizzo. There are a lot of

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Speaker 1: people that go into something like that, but he certainly

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Speaker 1: was at the forefront. Was there kind of on the

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Speaker 1: ground floor of the rebuild. And you know, there are

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Speaker 1: definitely things we've learned this the more we cover the

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Speaker 1: game of They're just things you can't measure and there

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Speaker 1: was just something about Rizzo, this like charisma, this love

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Speaker 1: for the spotlight. You know, you know, he he wanted

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Speaker 1: to be the man. You know, I think there are

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Speaker 2: You know, he wasn't like an envy he.

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Speaker 1: Winner, He's not a future Hall of Famer, But like,

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Speaker 1: how many people have had a better career than Anthony Rizzo,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I just like whenever this

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Speaker 1: ends for him, And it's been a rough, rougher stretch

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Speaker 1: this year. I mean, just talk about a guy who's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, gotten everything he could out of this game

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Speaker 1: and has left you know, just a ton of people

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Speaker 1: happy for what he accomplished in Chicago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this will be the the of all

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Speaker 3: the returns who have gone through over the past three years,

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Speaker 3: this will be the most interesting one to watch. I

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Speaker 3: think that, you know, they've all been really nice receptions,

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Speaker 3: but this is this is the one I'm most interested in.

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Speaker 3: You know, Rizzou was the face of that that team.

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Speaker 3: I believe you had a headline with the mister cub

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Speaker 3: two point zero or something like that, right, so you

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Speaker 3: know this this matters. This is a big deal. I'm sure,

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Speaker 3: sure It's a big deal for Rizzo and his family,

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Speaker 3: and it matters a lot to the fans. So I'm

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Speaker 3: looking to looking forward to seeing the reception and seeing

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Speaker 3: what he does in his return to Wrigley. Obviously, three

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Speaker 3: really important games too for the Cubs. They need to win.

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Speaker 3: There's not series losses can't happen. They a sweep maybe needed, right,

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be really hard, but that that may be

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Speaker 3: ultimately what they what they need to kind of get

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Speaker 3: people at least to get people on the outside looking

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Speaker 3: in to to like believe that they have that outside

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Speaker 3: chance still, you know, hold on to that hope. So

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Speaker 3: three big games this weekend, Patrick, I'll be there for

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Speaker 3: all three. We will be covering this. You'll be out

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Speaker 3: in the West Coast next week. We'll be back with

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Speaker 3: more episodes next week. Thanks so much for listening everyone.

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