Speaker 1: The Fancy Rascal Tour is just me, Craig Ferguson. I'm
Speaker 1: the only performer. There's no opener. How are you going
Speaker 1: to do that, Craig, Well, I'll suck for the first
Speaker 1: twenty minutes and charge myself a grant so we get
Speaker 1: the full effect. Anyway, this weekend I'm hitting the following places. Northampton, Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: Foxwood's Casino in Connecticut, Boston, Massachusetts. Two shows at the
Speaker 1: Wilburg this weekend August seventh through August ninth. Get your
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Speaker 2: My name is Craig Ferguson. This podcast is called Joy.
Speaker 2: It's not Rocket Science. I talk to people I like
Speaker 2: about their pursuit of happiness. Here's Wendy Malick, a beloved
Speaker 2: American actress who, amongst other things, is the voice of
Speaker 2: O Jack Horsefleso.
Speaker 3: She's one of my classier friends. Enjoy.
Speaker 2: Hey, I haven't seen you since I was the Owl
Speaker 2: House on the Disney Channel.
Speaker 3: Or did you catch it before it ended? Did it
Speaker 3: end sadly? Yes, it was canceled. I think Disney got
Speaker 3: nervous because we had a girl kissing a girl on
Speaker 3: that show.
Speaker 4: That's some of my favorite stuff is girl.
Speaker 2: Why did they not want that because Disney could use that,
Speaker 2: could they?
Speaker 3: Well? I think Disney could could branch out a little more.
Speaker 4: As you are, are they making any money?
Speaker 3: I think they've lost money recently, have they really?
Speaker 2: I think they could probably lose a little bit and
Speaker 2: be okay. I was just talking to someone of that
Speaker 2: this morning. Like, you're famously immensely wealthy, right, I don't
Speaker 2: have a castle? Well, the castle I live in, to
Speaker 2: be fair, it.
Speaker 3: Needs to be totally replumbed.
Speaker 2: Well no, well yeah they do. But also you know
Speaker 2: you couldn't get an apartment in New York.
Speaker 4: For the price of my castle.
Speaker 3: Well that's true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's not.
Speaker 3: A lot of space there in Scotland.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like a lot of like very people. You
Speaker 2: live in a land, though, how many how much land
Speaker 2: do you have?
Speaker 3: Your fifty acres?
Speaker 4: That's plenty, that's fine.
Speaker 3: It's a lot for here, although it's almost entirely unusable,
Speaker 3: very very steep up and down?
Speaker 4: Is it fiery? Do you get fires near your house?
Speaker 3: Is it fiery? It's it's vulnerable to fires? Yeah, because
Speaker 3: we abut the state park. Okay, so we have a
Speaker 3: lot of fuel out there, and our nearest neighbor is
Speaker 3: a quarter mile away.
Speaker 2: So yeah, have you been affected by the fires.
Speaker 3: Of course, I think everybody here is. And you've got
Speaker 3: horses too, do I make Do you have a horse transport?
Speaker 3: Thing have a horse? We have a two horse trailer,
Speaker 3: which doesn't do you much good if you have four
Speaker 3: horses and a donkey.
Speaker 4: Now do you have four horses and a donkey? Or
Speaker 4: three horses?
Speaker 3: Now we have three? I forgot okay.
Speaker 2: Because I thought, wait a minute, you told me.
Speaker 3: We have three and a half animals. And you've always
Speaker 3: been a horsey person. No, No, I mean I lived
Speaker 3: in New York for seventeen years before I moved here,
Speaker 3: and as a kid, I did those trail rides where
Speaker 3: the only time you go fast is when you're on
Speaker 3: the way back to the bar. Yeah, they're barely a
Speaker 3: person in front of you.
Speaker 4: It's kind of in the Hollywood Hills.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So when you see people you walk up the hills,
Speaker 2: you see people in the bike, they're just like that.
Speaker 3: You can dress it up, but you can't teach him
Speaker 3: how to ride. No. I didn't start until I was
Speaker 3: forty when I moved to to Panga.
Speaker 4: I think that.
Speaker 2: First of all, I'm surprised to hear that you're over forty,
Speaker 2: and also.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm older than you are. No, you have to
Speaker 3: show me some respect.
Speaker 4: Really, are you? You know me? I'm not going to
Speaker 4: ask you, but you're nobody thinks.
Speaker 3: So, I think so. No, I am definitely in my
Speaker 3: third act, well into my third act.
Speaker 4: Do you worry about it?
Speaker 3: What are you going to do?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: I know, but I but worry is something that you
Speaker 2: do you even if you there is nothing to do, like.
Speaker 3: I That's why I keep busy, so I don't have
Speaker 3: time to, like, you know, worry too much.
Speaker 2: You do like you go out and clean the horses
Speaker 2: and stuff.
Speaker 3: That's part of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my wife does that.
Speaker 3: Well. I hate to meet your wife.
Speaker 4: Yeah you do.
Speaker 3: I think that shoveling ship is a very relaxing zen exercise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never found it particularly appealing whenever I've had
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 3: Do you have dogs as well? Yes?
Speaker 4: What kind of dogs?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: We have a shepherd. I think she's a what does
Speaker 3: she called the melt malono? Yeah, yeah, Melani. She's a
Speaker 3: rescue but she's like a greyhound shepherd mixed. She's really fast,
Speaker 3: has a long, thin tail, really long legs. Yeah, kind
Speaker 3: of like you, A little bit kind of like me. Actually,
Speaker 3: we do look alike a picture later.
Speaker 4: Normally, I mean, I would never say you wear a melon.
Speaker 2: Wow. But if I had the long face, yeah I was.
Speaker 2: If I was, you know, looking for a voice of
Speaker 2: a Malon, wir would be me and a cartoon I
Speaker 2: was doing, I'd be like, I wonder if Wendy's available,
Speaker 2: because she's got totally doing I think I should. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So have you been doing a lot of that cartoon
Speaker 2: voicey stuff? Yeah? Did you have very a very sexy voice? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I do, Yeah, you do right now.
Speaker 4: Sexy voice. It's it's low.
Speaker 3: Actually. Lauras Sandracomo years ago said, did you ever do
Speaker 3: you know voiceovers or do cartoons stuff like that? And
Speaker 3: and I thought, you know, I did some commercials when
Speaker 3: I was starting out in New York and figured, well,
Speaker 3: I don't have to do those anymore. I think I'm
Speaker 3: going to bag it. And she said, no, you really should.
Speaker 3: They're really kind of fun. And I got this great
Speaker 3: Cadillac commercial right out of the box and started doing
Speaker 3: animated stuff and I love it. I love to just
Speaker 3: work with my voice. Yeah, it's nice. I like doing it.
Speaker 3: I mean some of it is just a lot of
Speaker 3: screaming and stupid.
Speaker 4: When they call it walla when you have to go.
Speaker 3: I don't really to bring people in to do your own. No,
Speaker 3: I don't. But some of them are way more fun
Speaker 3: than others. I mean, for me, BoJack Horse and I
Speaker 3: played his mother. I know that.
Speaker 2: To me, that's the greatest animated series.
Speaker 3: I think it's so brilliant and the art direction is
Speaker 3: so insanely good, and you can watch them three or
Speaker 3: four times and see new stuff. It's so densely animated
Speaker 3: and gorgeous and funny and heartbreaking. And they gave me
Speaker 3: this amazing thing to do in the last season where
Speaker 3: you found out why I was such a witch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were evil. You were an evil character.
Speaker 3: And I had a horrible childhood.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you personally didn't have a horrible.
Speaker 3: No, I had a really good one. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's weird that you would become a performer and a
Speaker 2: successful performer and have a happy childhood. I don't think
Speaker 2: that's common.
Speaker 3: Betty White did. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: But when Betty, I mean Betty who we both knew
Speaker 2: and loved.
Speaker 4: But when Betty was a child, you know, it was
Speaker 4: a different time. There were like they'd just come up
Speaker 4: with a wheel.
Speaker 3: They just they just came up with television, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Well they actually hadn't, because I remember right, and she
Speaker 3: was doing radio still in theater before TV predated television.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 4: I met because I was so sad.
Speaker 2: Well, obviously when Betty passed, it was very sad.
Speaker 3: But she loved you too, Oh, I ado order.
Speaker 4: You know, she was the first person I worked with
Speaker 4: when I came to Hollywood.
Speaker 3: You're kidding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she had just come off the Golden Palace, which
Speaker 2: was the one after.
Speaker 4: The Golden Girls.
Speaker 3: God I missed that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't the was the worst thing she did,
Speaker 2: because the worst thing she did was the one she
Speaker 2: did after the Golden Palace.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was a show called Maybe This Time Maybe it
Speaker 2: was Me, Betty White, Marie Osmond.
Speaker 4: Oh my, yeah, but you know.
Speaker 3: What, you know, in my wildest dreams, I can't imagine
Speaker 3: that cast.
Speaker 2: You know. Actually, both of those women, I loved them
Speaker 2: both and I still do. They were both great to me.
Speaker 2: They were both fabulous. Marie had some personal stuff that
Speaker 2: I don't connect to in the same way religiony wise,
Speaker 2: but religion, Yeah, religion. It's very earthy, kind of like
Speaker 2: funny person. And Betty, of course is that's forcing it.
Speaker 2: How long did you guys do Hot in Cleveland?
Speaker 3: I think it was six years.
Speaker 4: God, that was a great show to do.
Speaker 3: It was such a gift and so utterly unexpected. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, for well, you realize you look around in
Speaker 3: how many series are anchored by women over fifty? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess, and we were like fifty sixty ninety Yeah,
Speaker 3: so pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: It was the best smelling set I've ever been out
Speaker 2: of my life.
Speaker 4: There was that kind of when you.
Speaker 2: Like there was lavender near Betty and then there was
Speaker 2: the more exotic perfumes.
Speaker 4: It was you in Valerie Dan.
Speaker 3: Mine was Egyptian must oh.
Speaker 2: I know you are Egyptian, right, or you are Egyptian
Speaker 2: heritage a quarter that I think that's fascinating.
Speaker 3: Have you been to Egypt? No? And I was invited
Speaker 3: by my grandfather, but he was a Pentecostal minister and
Speaker 3: way too strict, so I didn't go with him, right,
Speaker 3: But I do need to. I've been to Africa many times.
Speaker 3: But never to Egypt. I'd like to go to Perhaps
Speaker 3: we could go together, maybe we'll go.
Speaker 2: Well, Megan is the name of the women I'm married to,
Speaker 2: so I've heard right. So Meghan and I were talking
Speaker 2: about maybe doing a Nile cruise.
Speaker 3: I know, I think that would be really fascinating.
Speaker 2: Does this fact you go down then Isle and you
Speaker 2: kind of see the pyramids and stuff, but you're still
Speaker 2: on your own.
Speaker 3: Little bit can touch you or talk to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I see, exact quite like that. I'm not good
Speaker 4: at mixing. I.
Speaker 1: Craig Ferguson will be hitting the road again this summer
Speaker 1: and fall, bringing the Fancy Rascal Tour to your region.
Speaker 1: For tickets and full list of tour dates, go to
Speaker 1: my website, the Craig Ferguson Show dot com slash tour.
Speaker 2: Come see me live or don't so listen. You started
Speaker 2: out in Buffalo, is that right? You're from Buffalo, which
Speaker 2: is almost Canadian? Are you okay with that?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Okay? Oh yeah? Did you go up to Canada every summer?
Speaker 3: Were you? Summer? We had a summer house on Lake Erie.
Speaker 4: See, so you were well Ontario?
Speaker 3: You're well, no, no, no, I grew up in a very
Speaker 3: middle class family my grandparents. My grandfather did quite well
Speaker 3: and was able to retire early.
Speaker 4: And they built this is the Pentecostal No, no, no, this is
Speaker 4: the fun.
Speaker 3: One, right. He had a hotel and restaurants, okay, And
Speaker 3: they built that house the year I was born on
Speaker 3: the beach and it was three sides of it were
Speaker 3: a Carolinian forest and the front was was just sand
Speaker 3: dunes going down to this beautiful beach and the water
Speaker 3: was right there. And uh, do you have siblings, Yeah,
Speaker 3: a brother and a sister.
Speaker 4: So you guys were just swallows and amazons around.
Speaker 3: Oh, you could just you could just be free all
Speaker 3: day and play. And the woods. My mother always called
Speaker 3: it a cathedral of trees, and that to this day
Speaker 3: is kind of my church. Trees.
Speaker 2: So you're not a Pentecostal, Coptic Christian or anything.
Speaker 3: I'm a nature advocate.
Speaker 4: Are you religious?
Speaker 3: So no? No, but I would say spiritual.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I just I rejected all of it for years.
Speaker 2: But as I get older, I found myself hedging my
Speaker 2: bets a little more.
Speaker 3: So do you go to church? I built one near
Speaker 3: the castle.
Speaker 2: There was an old building in the place where I
Speaker 2: live in Scotland and it was derelict and during the lockdown,
Speaker 2: I did an event to do so I thought, I
Speaker 2: think that was a church, and I'm going to put
Speaker 2: it back.
Speaker 4: So I went on YouTube and there's.
Speaker 2: Very much I'm not religious at all, but I thought,
Speaker 2: you know, it probably should be a church if there's
Speaker 2: a if there was an old estate like this.
Speaker 3: So I put it back and I you know, pain
Speaker 3: do you go in and meditate?
Speaker 4: And I do.
Speaker 2: I'm not churchy, but I like, I don't invite other
Speaker 2: people in. But I bought church pews from a place that,
Speaker 2: you know, salvage yard.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The guys that were delivering it said, this isn't a bar.
Speaker 2: I went no, I said, we've never delivered church pews
Speaker 2: to a church before. They usually take them out of
Speaker 2: churches and put them in bars. But I'd bought them
Speaker 2: and I put them in and it looks just like
Speaker 2: a little Scottish church.
Speaker 3: I go, do you have stained glass windows?
Speaker 2: No, we're we're from a different flavor where stained glass
Speaker 2: windows are.
Speaker 3: That's probably a little too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little it's like, yeah, it's a little
Speaker 2: imagery wise.
Speaker 3: I mean they do it in Protestant churches.
Speaker 2: They do, and actually I don't, but I will be
Speaker 2: honest with you. I have ordered some the but just
Speaker 2: tiny little ones like window pantes. It's not a giant
Speaker 2: it's a tiny wee building pews.
Speaker 3: Like a chapel. Yeah, oh no, I think you don't
Speaker 3: think of doing that? In you what I do? If
Speaker 3: I may share it with you, Yes, that's why I'm here. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Have you ever been to Big Sir? Yes?
Speaker 4: I have.
Speaker 3: Okay, we we did a retreat there, a tai Chi retreat.
Speaker 3: You I didn't. I mean I'd had a little training
Speaker 3: that I didn't really know what I was doing. But
Speaker 3: a year ago Thanksgiving, we went for a tai chi
Speaker 3: retreat class thing with this Chinese master and one of
Speaker 3: the things we did was this morning salutation to the sunrise,
Speaker 3: and we'd all gather on this cliff and watch the
Speaker 3: sun and come up behind the mountain. And he taught
Speaker 3: us just some basic moves of welcoming the day. And
Speaker 3: it's a it's a gratitude ritual. So I now do
Speaker 3: that every morning, do you really? I do it when
Speaker 3: I want my dog first thing, and when I'm out
Speaker 3: just looking at the mountains and the beauty and I
Speaker 3: sort of say thank you, and I take in energy
Speaker 3: that I need and send out healing or forgiveness or
Speaker 3: peace or whatever it is I want to sort of
Speaker 3: send into the world and then gratitude for what remains,
Speaker 3: including my own body. Well, it's not quite what it
Speaker 3: used to be.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I look.
Speaker 2: I know that it's not allowed to comment on people's appearance,
Speaker 2: but yours is spectacular. So you may say that, yeah,
Speaker 2: well then it is, though I mean, but I.
Speaker 3: Mean things like you know, arthritis and you know the
Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of cartilage, stuff like that.
Speaker 3: It's just part of the deal.
Speaker 2: Well, you because you started out, you were a model.
Speaker 2: When you started, right you were doing modeling. Were you
Speaker 2: very self conscious? Because whenever I've talked to Megan, my
Speaker 2: wife did modeling when she was young as well. And
Speaker 2: she's still young obviously but always always forever young. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but she's quite she's very critical of herself.
Speaker 4: Are you like that?
Speaker 3: I certainly was when I started, because I knew what
Speaker 3: my good side was. I just was, you know, very
Speaker 3: self conscious about how to stand, how to move. You know,
Speaker 3: my smile is crooked, which I'm really aware of. I
Speaker 3: think there was a time. It's probably during dream On,
Speaker 3: which was in nineteen ninety. I think we shot the
Speaker 3: pilot right where I went from being the straight woman
Speaker 3: for Brian ben Ben to being a real character actress,
Speaker 3: like I was a neurotic psychologist and they found out
Speaker 3: I was funny and they let me run with it.
Speaker 3: And that was a huge gift because I didn't have
Speaker 3: to be per effect. I didn't have to be angreen
Speaker 3: new like and I never really was. I was always
Speaker 3: sort of the.
Speaker 2: Did you feel like? It was an overused word. But
Speaker 2: the environment for models, I think is very tough. But
Speaker 2: I don't know what it's like because I'm not a
Speaker 2: modal and I never have beened. But whenever I talked
Speaker 2: to male or female people who have done it, it's
Speaker 2: a very kind of abusive almost environment that people are
Speaker 2: so mean to do.
Speaker 3: Well, and it's you know, there's nothing to back up this.
Speaker 3: This is kind of what you've got to offer. So
Speaker 3: no matter how interesting you are talented in other ways,
Speaker 3: it really is all about your face and your body.
Speaker 3: And when that's all you have to go on, you
Speaker 3: can really lose your mind.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I think, so, did you lose your mind?
Speaker 3: When you were doing no, because I never started. I
Speaker 3: mean I went to New York to act after college
Speaker 3: and I was making like seventy five dollars a week
Speaker 3: and having to waitress on the side, right, And someone
Speaker 3: came up to me in Times Square and asked me
Speaker 3: if I'd ever modeled, and I, wow, I've done that.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I think someone said that to me
Speaker 2: once in Times Square and it went very.
Speaker 3: Badly, and it was for a different kind of magazine.
Speaker 3: He said, you should come meet. Well, I mean you
Speaker 3: I wish I did. And I just took five years
Speaker 3: because I wanted to travel. I have huge wander lust
Speaker 3: and I couldn't afford to do it until I became
Speaker 3: a model. So then I ended up living in Paris
Speaker 3: for a year and I went all over the world
Speaker 3: shooting because I got ten in a day because of
Speaker 3: the Egyptian and I had a blast. But I knew
Speaker 3: it was just for temporary, that I was going to
Speaker 3: go back and go back to acting, which I did
Speaker 3: in when I was thirty.
Speaker 2: Right, So, because I guess model, it's kind of that
Speaker 2: kind of thing to describe, and then certainly your career
Speaker 2: is over as a model of.
Speaker 3: It I mean, there are models out there that have
Speaker 3: been doing it for twenty five years and they look amazing.
Speaker 4: I think, no, it's a little different. I think you.
Speaker 2: I mean you could model. You could do a modeling
Speaker 2: campaign right now.
Speaker 3: Road Hard and put Away No, although that is.
Speaker 4: A good name for a brand.
Speaker 3: I think road Hard.
Speaker 2: You can put them away wet, they'll come out the next.
Speaker 3: Day to the great.
Speaker 2: So you went back to did you come to LA
Speaker 2: after that then? Or you used to go back to me?
Speaker 3: I went back to New York and was there until well,
Speaker 3: my ex husband and I we had a place in
Speaker 3: the village and were there from eighty two to eighty nine,
Speaker 3: I guess, And we're going back and forth a lot.
Speaker 3: He's a screenwriter. But then I got a job here
Speaker 3: and a series, my first one in No Actually it
Speaker 3: was called Trauma Center Doctor Bridget Blaine.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I waste I see Trauma Center. Is
Speaker 2: they don't make enough of that kind of thing anymore?
Speaker 3: Or maybe the time I had a mask on so
Speaker 3: it was all about the eyes. Reminded me of all
Speaker 3: the all the nurses during the pandemic who all got
Speaker 3: those eyelashes because that's the only thing they had to
Speaker 3: do in the morning to sort of get ready for
Speaker 3: the day out. Strange by the way it was after
Speaker 3: the pandemic. You'd be you'd have worked with people, well
Speaker 3: you didn't work during the pandemic. That you probably don't know.
Speaker 3: But I would see the same people every day on
Speaker 3: sets and in the medical the people who would test you,
Speaker 3: and I knew them all by their eyes. But then
Speaker 3: every once in a while you'd be outside and somebody
Speaker 3: would take their mask off, and it was just so shocking.
Speaker 3: It was like potato head. Sometimes it didn't match.
Speaker 2: Or it was like someone taking their pants off or
Speaker 2: something like.
Speaker 4: It was shocked.
Speaker 2: So I saw the full faced, nose, lips, everything. No,
Speaker 2: it was a revolution, Yeah, no, it was. It was
Speaker 2: weird how it quickly went. And that's if you wore masks.
Speaker 2: Some people didn't wear them because they didn't believe.
Speaker 3: Do you want to go down that road? You have
Speaker 3: a lot of touchers. I don't think i've ever seen
Speaker 3: your arms before.
Speaker 2: Well, I used to mask them up when I was
Speaker 2: on hout in Cleveland.
Speaker 3: Because it wasn't appropriate for the housekeeper. Nobody when you're
Speaker 3: in drag, it wouldn't have worked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did do some drag working missus. Doubtfire, that's right.
Speaker 2: I think that would get me in trouble, now, wouldn't it.
Speaker 2: Or people are angry at drag queens or I'm not
Speaker 2: a drag queen. But I did my best, and certainly
Speaker 2: they were drag queens were charming, Thank you.
Speaker 4: I did my very best.
Speaker 2: I always felt, and I've had to in my life
Speaker 2: dress up as a lady for various different roles, and
Speaker 2: whenever I dress up as a lady, I look more
Speaker 2: like a guy.
Speaker 4: It's a very.
Speaker 3: Reverse You wouldn't transition.
Speaker 2: Well, no, no, it's not for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Fabulous hair though, thank you? And so have you ever
Speaker 2: dre you? I think could maybe did drag queen? Well,
Speaker 2: I think you could pull off androgeny a little bit.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're very totally.
Speaker 3: I totally do.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I love to wear men suiting and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that would be a good look for you.
Speaker 2: Did you play around with that when you were younger,
Speaker 2: like they.
Speaker 3: Well, my best friend was a boy until I was twelve,
Speaker 3: Johnny Proseski, and we used to play John and Mary
Speaker 3: Pioneer family, and we each had little baby guns and
Speaker 3: stuff from we used to Yeah, wow, we slept out
Speaker 3: in a ford together and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: I was actually going a bit later.
Speaker 2: I was thinking in New York, like, but you went
Speaker 2: to twelve years old with Johnny as a pioneer family.
Speaker 4: That's good. Did you guys have children or no?
Speaker 3: No, we didn't have a children. It wasn't about the sex.
Speaker 3: It was all.
Speaker 2: About did you have children as a pioneer family.
Speaker 3: No? No, no kids. We didn't have time because we
Speaker 3: were too busy defending our fort oh.
Speaker 2: Against imaginary invaders. Okay, I got it. So you came
Speaker 2: out to La and you started working here, and the
Speaker 2: dream on was that what was the name of your
Speaker 2: character in Trauma Center again?
Speaker 3: Bridget Blane? Bridget Blane, I see, I proad they know
Speaker 3: some Bridge of Plaines, Yeah.
Speaker 2: A lot of I've had some Bridget Plane jobs over
Speaker 2: the years as well.
Speaker 3: I think it was pretty silly, but it was my first,
Speaker 3: you know, I think it g gig and I was
Speaker 3: very excited.
Speaker 4: I thought, La, when was this be the eighties.
Speaker 3: Ninetees, nineteen ninety, I think nineteen eighty. I think I
Speaker 3: got that job in eighty four, eighty five something like that, because.
Speaker 2: I remember La and I moved here in the mid nineties,
Speaker 2: and I always thought Ellie was for a town as
Speaker 2: big as it was kind of like sleepy in an
Speaker 2: old way. It was quiet, and then certainly people who
Speaker 2: were working were they all went home at eight.
Speaker 3: O'clock at night or it's such an early town. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it really is. I mean there's there is a sector
Speaker 3: of LA that is the clubs and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're not working.
Speaker 3: They're not working too. They don't have to get up
Speaker 3: the next morning.
Speaker 4: They're not going to the set.
Speaker 3: But it's not like New York where you can go
Speaker 3: out to dinner at ten o'clock.
Speaker 2: And no, I can't do that now anyway. I get
Speaker 2: I get acid reflux if Yeah. I sat next to
Speaker 2: a very attractive women at a wedding about six months
Speaker 2: ago and we were just chatting and I said, oh,
Speaker 2: it's so funny, like back of the day, we would
Speaker 2: have both had drugs as she went yeah, and then
Speaker 2: she brought acid tablets and I had a tablet we
Speaker 2: both had. We both had stuff for asid reflux. But
Speaker 2: you know, tit moves on.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I have friends who say, do you want
Speaker 3: to do a blue hair dinner? Tonight at five.
Speaker 2: Thirty, five thirty.
Speaker 4: I love it. Well, I need to have four hours
Speaker 4: before I lie down or.
Speaker 3: Um yeah, yeah no. And it's also here, I think
Speaker 3: you're much more in tune with nature, so you get
Speaker 3: up when the sun gets comes up. And out there
Speaker 3: in the Santa Monica Mountains.
Speaker 2: The Santamonica Mountains, Yeah, it's lovely out there.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful. No, it's I call it my nearest barrowing place.
Speaker 2: Don't you hate the commune coming in though? Did you
Speaker 2: drive yourself?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I like to drive. Yeah, no, I think if
Speaker 3: you live in a because you know, one of my
Speaker 3: joys is oh yeah, that's right, Oh thanks pal. Yeah.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite things is finding music and blasting it,
Speaker 3: which is why I don't like people to be in
Speaker 3: the car with me very often, right because I listened
Speaker 3: to it pretty loud. Do you listen to me? A
Speaker 3: very eclectic taste. But right now I'm listening to this song,
Speaker 3: this sting song, she Walks upon the Earth. It's a
Speaker 3: little bit of a also rhythm. It's some Brazilian guy
Speaker 3: I think wrote it. But that's my latest addition to
Speaker 3: my playlist. And when I'm driving and I hear a
Speaker 3: great song that just brings me so much joy. I
Speaker 3: can't tell you so. I love to drive and listen
Speaker 3: to music.
Speaker 2: But you're quite solitary. Then it seems to me that
Speaker 2: you quite like your own company. You're out there doing
Speaker 2: slow Kung Fu in the morning, and then you're just
Speaker 2: you in the malinoir and then you like to drive
Speaker 2: in your own.
Speaker 3: I like to drive it on my own, but then
Speaker 3: I like to get to the place where I get
Speaker 3: to hang out with people I like, and then I
Speaker 3: get to go and play. When I arrive.
Speaker 4: Does it still hold like acting is still fun?
Speaker 3: Then it's still playing? Absolutely? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 3: don't want to ever stop. I don't think I could
Speaker 3: do what you did and go off for two years
Speaker 3: and live in a castle where it rains every day.
Speaker 3: I don't think I could do that.
Speaker 4: Well, you'd end up building the church.
Speaker 3: Is what happens. Is you're building a time I become
Speaker 3: a nun.
Speaker 4: You never know you'd be a great nun.
Speaker 3: I played a nun in a movie, and yeah, it
Speaker 3: was called what was it called?
Speaker 2: Because I think I've seen that movie, because I think
Speaker 2: I've seen you as aenough big.
Speaker 3: Show who was a big wrestler in the w W
Speaker 3: really a wrestling non movie. He was he was in
Speaker 3: an orphan. She was an oversized orphan, right, and I was.
Speaker 4: It was the Rock. It was the Rock, isn't It.
Speaker 3: Wasn't the Rock, but it was. His name was Big Show.
Speaker 2: That was his name was a big show, Big Show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And uh, I just don't need to go any further.
Speaker 2: But no, I think you played the nun in the
Speaker 2: orphanage the Big Show was an orphan and then went
Speaker 2: on to wrestle.
Speaker 3: I guess I don't know.
Speaker 4: You didn't see the movie.
Speaker 3: I missed that. You know.
Speaker 2: I have to say I have done movies I haven't
Speaker 2: seen and I have no interest in seeing.
Speaker 3: I know, well and and maybe I'll just want to
Speaker 3: see my scene. But that's enough. Yeah.
Speaker 2: When sometimes when you be honest, when you get a script,
Speaker 2: you just look at your lines and go yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I do that time. So I was very surprised, especially
Speaker 2: with voiceover stuff. When I did the How To Train
Speaker 2: Your Dragon movies. I went to the premiere, I was like,
Speaker 2: this is really good.
Speaker 3: Oh you had no idea what the story.
Speaker 4: I just it was like me going.
Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh, this is a good movie.
Speaker 3: I'm really pleased.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because usually, with the exception of Hot in Cleveland
Speaker 2: and a couple of other things, mostly what I'm in
Speaker 2: his garbage?
Speaker 3: Do you think that so? Did you have aspirations to
Speaker 3: do something a little meteor? Yeah? I think so. At
Speaker 3: the beginning, did you ever do like, were you ever
Speaker 3: classically trained or no? No, no, no, nothing like that, But.
Speaker 2: I kind of I think at the beginning, before I
Speaker 2: knew how the sausage was made, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: I want to really act, like, really do some serious acting.
Speaker 4: Then you meet some serious actors, they go, this guy's
Speaker 4: a fucking dick.
Speaker 3: I can't take this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2: There's like people like, you know, squinting into the l
Speaker 2: and that quizzical look and being very worried about it.
Speaker 3: Very Oh. There's a lot of that, especially for men.
Speaker 3: A lot of yeallow, looks like it's going to rain,
Speaker 3: looks like yeah, a lot of mumbley.
Speaker 4: I'd like to do a Western.
Speaker 2: I would like to I would too, I'd love to
Speaker 2: do we could do Pioneering Family.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's think about let's Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not I'm not sensing a huge deal of
Speaker 2: enthusiasm for.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'd love to. I mean I can
Speaker 3: ride still, right, and I should do it. Do you
Speaker 3: know Bill Shatner he was on Hot in Cleveland. Of course,
Speaker 3: he was his gallery's neighbor, I think, right. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Bill didn't start riding horses till he was fifty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I was forty. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's why he's still healthy and you know,
Speaker 2: around healthy. Esh well, not in his brain, but I
Speaker 2: think he'd be the first to admit it. He's fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, he's crazy and angry, but it's a
Speaker 2: lot of fun if you get in the right side.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he is fun. Yeah he has He's Canadian.
Speaker 3: A lot of Canadians are fun, you know, people say people.
Speaker 2: Say that.
Speaker 3: Enrico calling Tony Okay, have you ever like interviewed him
Speaker 3: one of the most hilarious, brilliant, fabulous He was on
Speaker 3: Just Shoot Me with Me. He was the bald guy,
Speaker 3: the photographer. Oh yeah, yes, amazing, amazing actor and a
Speaker 3: fabulous human. Jim Carrey, Jim Carrey.
Speaker 2: Well, Mike Myers. So that proves your Pat O'Hara.
Speaker 4: Catherine O'Hara is great.
Speaker 3: It was hilarious.
Speaker 2: Did she ever known in Cleveland. Mm hmm yeah on
Speaker 2: Cleveland to me seemed like it was. It was a
Speaker 2: really good place to meet people that you were in
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no stars.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember Kay was there one day. I was like
Speaker 2: and he said, could I have a selfie with you?
Speaker 2: I was like, yes, you got George Kay.
Speaker 3: My favorite was when when Carol Burnett came and she
Speaker 3: played my mother and I'd grown up you know, watching
Speaker 3: her show, and.
Speaker 4: Which was that?
Speaker 2: Because funny woman Jews? Were you drawn to comedy right away?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah. My favorite thing that brings me great joy,
Speaker 3: thank you for doing that, is when you get to
Speaker 3: dive into something that's really well written and you get
Speaker 3: to be human with all of that that that entails.
Speaker 3: So I think Fraser did it really well right. Fraser
Speaker 3: was a comedy where they also allowed for people to
Speaker 3: go into a dark place and to have a serious
Speaker 3: moment that was earned and it didn't have to always
Speaker 3: end on some sort of yucky, you know, sticky laughter,
Speaker 3: which a lot of very It was a really smart
Speaker 3: group of writers.
Speaker 2: And uh, yeah, they're rebooting that. I think they're going
Speaker 2: to make a new Fraser.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's not anything like nobody from Kelsey's the
Speaker 3: only one in it, James. No, No, it's not nor
Speaker 3: Perry nor David so uh yeah. But that was a
Speaker 3: fun one to work on. But I'm I'm working right
Speaker 3: now on an Apple TV show, shrinking. Have you seen it?
Speaker 2: I've not seen it yet, But is that the one
Speaker 2: with Harrison Ford and Jason Siegel.
Speaker 3: You probably know Jessica Miller, who's so great. He was
Speaker 3: on The Daily Show. She was a correspondent. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but I do know Jason hilarious woman. I play Harrison's neurologist,
Speaker 3: nice and we end up having a thing Harrison Ford.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, that's all right, it's all right. And it
Speaker 3: was so much fun to work with him, for one thing,
Speaker 3: because he's a doll.
Speaker 4: He was on the Late Night Show. He was a
Speaker 4: lot of fun.
Speaker 3: He's really great. Yeah he's like real curmudgeingly, but he's
Speaker 3: actually really fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's that funny thing.
Speaker 3: Very and I told him he was like an old
Speaker 3: he was like my favorite old pair of jeans. And
Speaker 3: that's the highest compliment I could pay a man. But
Speaker 3: that show allows you to go into some darker places.
Speaker 3: It's the same people who did Ted Lazo and you know,
Speaker 3: which is just a wonderful It just sort of the
Speaker 3: whole spectrum of human behavior, and so people can find
Speaker 3: joy and sorrow and all of it. And as actors,
Speaker 3: getting a chance to play in that kind of a
Speaker 3: playground is much more gratifying than just join stray comedy.
Speaker 3: If there's no underlying thing, you earn your laps much
Speaker 3: more when you let people in to see your vulnerability.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that that draws me more than just stick.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the idea of even even this podcast was all
Speaker 2: about I hate the word podcast.
Speaker 3: It feels like, I know, let's find a different word.
Speaker 2: Radio conversation, radio program, this radio program that goes on
Speaker 2: computers and phones. Now, the whole idea behind these conversations
Speaker 2: that is that I wanted to talk to people, not
Speaker 2: necessarily about joy, but that had a positive impact on me.
Speaker 4: People I liked.
Speaker 3: Oh really, is that why you invited me? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I like you.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: I don't want to invite people if I don't know them,
Speaker 2: like you, I know, because we work together, and I
Speaker 2: liked you, and I still like you even although when
Speaker 2: you come in you said, oh, you've gained a few
Speaker 2: pounds and the uh, And I still want.
Speaker 3: It's only because I care about you.
Speaker 2: Yes, I know, because I speak La and you've gained
Speaker 2: a few pounds.
Speaker 4: Means, my god, what.
Speaker 3: The fuck is deer in the rain in Scotland.
Speaker 2: God, you've been sitting in Scotland eating pies magis.
Speaker 4: I don't eat the high as much.
Speaker 3: You invited me once to my husband. I were going
Speaker 3: to be in England, and you said, if you come
Speaker 3: up to Scotland if fedure some magas from Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, and that remains open.
Speaker 3: You can never eat eggs vegetation anymore. Yeah, but I
Speaker 3: would have some of your salmon if it's fresh.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I got about of salmon. But I tell
Speaker 2: you what Mick Sweden's vegetarian agis. Oh yeah, you may
Speaker 2: make that face, but I'm telling you it's great.
Speaker 3: But see, I don't like any of that plant based
Speaker 3: stuff that's supposed to taste like meat.
Speaker 4: It's not meant to taste like me.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's vegetarian hagis, and it predates plant based stuff. Even
Speaker 2: although it's plant based, it predates plants, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's made of dinosaurs.
Speaker 2: It's dinosaury, which counts. Yeah, it's Prestride, Dinosaury. It's it's
Speaker 2: vegetarian haggis from Xsweens and Edinburgh's delicious.
Speaker 3: Now how about I just come and we have salmon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can have salmon as well.
Speaker 2: It's the church and you can go to the I'll
Speaker 2: show you the church that you'd be very You'd be like,
Speaker 2: this isn't a church a building?
Speaker 3: The church?
Speaker 4: It's the church.
Speaker 3: I love that. Yeah. No, it's a chapel.
Speaker 2: No, chapel sounds a little Oh it's bigger than a
Speaker 2: chap No, no, no, no, it's it's small. I mean
Speaker 2: it's about the size of maybe the rumor in right now,
Speaker 2: that's a chapel. Is that a chapel? Right, it's a
Speaker 2: little chapel, man, And you can go and do the
Speaker 2: chap You don't get married in there now. But the
Speaker 2: thing is, I used to be quite atheistic.
Speaker 4: I'm not atheistic anymore. Are you an atheist?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think I still believe there
Speaker 3: is some greater thing and something I love. My daughter
Speaker 3: is in Europe right now and she keeps just randomly
Speaker 3: running into people she knows from like boarding school. I
Speaker 3: mean she's twenty one and she three times has run
Speaker 3: into people in Paris, in Amsterdam that's very cool, which
Speaker 3: I just love. And she said, can you believe it?
Speaker 3: And I said, you know, I really do think there's
Speaker 3: a master plan to all of this. I don't think
Speaker 3: these things are accidents. I think that a lot of this,
Speaker 3: a lot of this is an unfolding script that's already
Speaker 3: been written.
Speaker 2: I think that that's right, and I think that you
Speaker 2: can choose to believe it.
Speaker 4: It's almost like you can choose to be positive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can choose to believe, or you can dismiss
Speaker 2: it as it's all random and chaotic, which is they're
Speaker 2: both equally unprovable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you might as well. I mean that.
Speaker 2: I remember I was talking to a friend of mine
Speaker 2: who's very devout, I suppose, and he said, look, if
Speaker 2: I get to the other side after all of this
Speaker 2: and somebody or nothing happens, or somebody says, no, you
Speaker 2: got it totally wrong, what does it matter. I had
Speaker 2: a good time, I liked it made me feel better,
Speaker 2: and I kind of I'm impressed by that. Also, the idea,
Speaker 2: because atheism is so didactic and religious as a stance,
Speaker 2: and it's fundamentalism.
Speaker 3: I don't do well with that, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And also you're saying Einstein wrong, Socrates is wrong, Isaac
Speaker 2: Newton wrong, Planto wrong.
Speaker 3: And on that note, I told you I lost my
Speaker 3: mom about three weeks agow very sorry at ninety four.
Speaker 3: She had a great run, and she was ready there
Speaker 3: at the end of she said to my brother. At
Speaker 3: one point she looked up and said, oh, you kids
Speaker 3: are so darling to be here. I know you have
Speaker 3: lives of your own, and I'm sorry it's taking me
Speaker 3: so long to die.
Speaker 4: She was, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: But when she finally left, same thing happened with my dad.
Speaker 3: He waited for us. But I realized that. And if
Speaker 3: you've ever been around I've never been around a person
Speaker 3: when they actually passed, but I've been around many many
Speaker 3: animals that we've had to put down over the years,
Speaker 3: and the second they go, the energy just goes wosh. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because energy doesn't die. So whatever that soul or that
Speaker 3: spirit is, that that is in all of us, that
Speaker 3: continues somewhere somehow how I don't know, but it isn't
Speaker 3: a complete end of everything that was that person, no,
Speaker 3: or that that creature. I think that's right.
Speaker 2: I think also whenever you talk, particularly with atheists, who
Speaker 2: are you know, it's kind of like people who are
Speaker 2: really into weed.
Speaker 3: I'm like, shut up about your atheism and your fucking weed.
Speaker 2: Shut up. I don't mind you having't it. Just keep
Speaker 2: the stank of me. And do you smoke a little
Speaker 2: weed on occasion?
Speaker 4: Well you don't smell of it, So well done.
Speaker 3: I'm just oh, very rarely. Yeah, but I do like
Speaker 3: I like a little chocolate at night, dark chocolate.
Speaker 2: You were going to see pod or something like.
Speaker 3: A little acid on weekends? Me?
Speaker 4: Did you ever get into that? Did you ever get
Speaker 4: druggy for any length of time?
Speaker 3: Sure? Really? Oh? Yeah, cocaine, I suppose No, I never
Speaker 3: liked coke. I'm wired enough. I like things that are chill.
Speaker 4: You like the base.
Speaker 3: I did love I love tripping when I was in college.
Speaker 3: Really yeah. Oh it was so much fun for a
Speaker 3: group of people that you knew and trusted, and it
Speaker 3: was really really fascinating and mind blowing. And I'm kind of.
Speaker 2: Great, quite surprised to hear you say that that that
Speaker 2: you were into psychedelics. That would you get so you
Speaker 2: do it properly. You set together, we're all going to
Speaker 2: take this.
Speaker 3: Yes, the same yah with people that we loved, and
Speaker 3: we always could be in nature outside and uh, total
Speaker 3: trust thing. And yeah, I know it was quite wonderful,
Speaker 3: but it just takes way too long to come back
Speaker 3: down from when.
Speaker 4: You laugh and then it's day three.
Speaker 3: Well, and having just these amazing epiphanies you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what epiphanies did you have?
Speaker 3: Oh? I just yes, I do. Remember. It was kind
Speaker 3: of the same thing I had first thought about when
Speaker 3: I was sitting on the we used to sleep on
Speaker 3: the beach at that place in Canada, my summer rouge,
Speaker 3: and I remember being a kid and looking up at
Speaker 3: the stars and thinking, so, I wonder what is beyond
Speaker 3: what I can see, and what's beyond that, and that
Speaker 3: whole concept of infinity, which is like so mind boxing,
Speaker 3: but the whole idea that we are just this tiny
Speaker 3: little speck in this giant universe among other universes. And
Speaker 3: there was something about all of that that I think
Speaker 3: has informed my adulthood and realizing that there is something
Speaker 3: else going on here that we can't quite fully comprehend,
Speaker 3: and not just about the small stuff too much.
Speaker 2: I think that that it's very helpful in that regard.
Speaker 2: I mean, if I have a belief in a deity
Speaker 2: or a god, and I'm like you, there's something it's
Speaker 2: not all normal. And I can't imagine that that deity,
Speaker 2: that enormity would be worried about what I would wear when,
Speaker 2: and who I would love and what you should read? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and what words I say out loud, like if one's
Speaker 2: got an F in the front or something. It's like,
Speaker 2: I don't get all the the pressure of all that.
Speaker 2: That's a people thing, I think, is not a god thing.
Speaker 3: Now, And I think this whole kind of extremist sort
Speaker 3: of positioning on who you should love, yeah, and what
Speaker 3: you should read.
Speaker 4: And it's a real throwback all that.
Speaker 3: It is a throwback. It seems like we're going back
Speaker 3: into like the Stone agers.
Speaker 2: It's just not It's funny because I think about that.
Speaker 2: You have a daughter who's twenty one. I have a
Speaker 2: son who's the same age, twenty one. That generation are
Speaker 2: much maligned by people of our generation. I was calling
Speaker 2: them woke and calling them names basically because they believe
Speaker 2: in a different way. And I fell into that trap
Speaker 2: a little bit myself. But because I work in humor
Speaker 2: and so I'm like.
Speaker 4: I should be able to say what I want.
Speaker 3: Then I know I get yelled at about pronouns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, if you change the reals that fast,
Speaker 2: you got to give me a chance to catch out.
Speaker 2: I mean, but I think the thing is my son
Speaker 2: said to me, well, what do you want to say
Speaker 2: that you're not getting llowed to say? I said, well, nothing,
Speaker 2: I guess, but I should be allowed to say what
Speaker 2: I said. You can't say what you want, But what
Speaker 2: do you want to say that it's so injectionable?
Speaker 4: I went, I don't think there is anything.
Speaker 2: But I think it's fear of getting older for a
Speaker 2: lot of people. I think the idea of calling younger
Speaker 2: people names is because as you're afraid.
Speaker 3: Well, and I think and I remember going back to
Speaker 3: when Obama won the election and my mother, who was
Speaker 3: a lovely person and doesn't have a mean or racist
Speaker 3: bone in her body, but she actually was thinking about
Speaker 3: voting for him. But she said, I'd never vote for Hillary.
Speaker 3: But my dad got to her and she ended up
Speaker 3: voting for Hillary. No oh oh, oh, oh, she went
Speaker 3: the other way. Yeah, she went the other way. But afterwards,
Speaker 3: when Obama won, she said, you must be very happy.
Speaker 3: She knew I had gone out and canvassed and worked
Speaker 3: hard for him, and she said, well, I guess it's
Speaker 3: just hard for me because I don't recognize this country
Speaker 3: anymore because she was so accustomed to it being run
Speaker 3: by people who looked like her father, who were old,
Speaker 3: white guys. And I think it was just such a change,
Speaker 3: and she was worried that. And it was when we
Speaker 3: had the House and the Senate and Obama, you know,
Speaker 3: that brief period of time, and she said, I just
Speaker 3: want there to be more of a balance, and I
Speaker 3: feel like everything is changing so fast I can't keep up.
Speaker 2: I think that's what age feels like sometimes. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think your mother is accurate in the sense of the
Speaker 2: sensation of it. But if you think back to your
Speaker 2: Pentecostal grandfather and how your life in Paris when you
Speaker 2: were a young woman, how different and terrifying that would
Speaker 2: have been to him. I think watching the youth is
Speaker 2: frightening because they don't need you.
Speaker 3: I think that, And at the same time, that's exactly
Speaker 3: what you hope for, exactly.
Speaker 4: It's it's the weird thing.
Speaker 2: It's like when I look at, you know, as my
Speaker 2: younger son is only twelve and he needs me, but
Speaker 2: not as much as he needed me five years ago,
Speaker 2: and five years from now is going to need me
Speaker 2: even less, you know, And it's unnerving a little. I
Speaker 2: think on societal level as well, Like America of course
Speaker 2: is changing, It is changing. Everything changes all the time,
Speaker 2: and I think that there is an idea that people
Speaker 2: have that it always gets better, and I don't.
Speaker 4: Know if that's true.
Speaker 3: We don't know, do we No.
Speaker 4: Are you a student of history at all?
Speaker 3: And do you little yeah, little yeah, like looking at
Speaker 3: the circular way that history unfolds, that we go too
Speaker 3: far in one direction and then in another and then
Speaker 3: find our balance again, you know. I think in terms
Speaker 3: of the environmental stuff, that's the part that is the
Speaker 3: most chilling for me, because we don't have time to
Speaker 3: dick around with this stuff anymore, we don't.
Speaker 2: I think that the environmental stuff fascinates me because it's
Speaker 2: such an emotional thing.
Speaker 4: See.
Speaker 2: I have a feeling that Americans in particular, but really
Speaker 2: everyone in the world, but particularly Americans, are not political
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 3: They're emotional.
Speaker 2: And I think that the argument for in climate change
Speaker 2: right now is very high on everyone's emotional level. But
Speaker 2: I think it's also an engineering problem, and I think
Speaker 2: that that's a little different. And what I mean is,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not in any way saying that one
Speaker 2: of this, because of course it exists. But I think
Speaker 2: you must add to the emotion the engineering challenge of this.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what I mean by it. In
Speaker 2: the early nineteen hundreds, there was a lot of fear
Speaker 2: in Victorian England, particularly in London, that if they didn't
Speaker 2: solve the horse problem, that London was actually going to
Speaker 2: be under about twenty foot of horseship by fifty years.
Speaker 2: And of course the engineering thing changed, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's the whack a moll. We're not worried about horseship,
Speaker 2: but now we're worried about fossil fuels, and so yes,
Speaker 2: the emotion drives the engineering, but there's also the engineering.
Speaker 2: I think there has to be. It's not just stopping
Speaker 2: carbon emissions, is what I'm saying. It's like, we have
Speaker 2: to do something to reverse the problem in the first place.
Speaker 3: I agree with you, but I think that it is
Speaker 3: now at the level where it is changing so rapidly,
Speaker 3: and we are such pigs in this country in terms
Speaker 3: of our consumption. I mean, the States is the worst offender.
Speaker 4: Is it really I didn't.
Speaker 2: Pila definitely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you look at Africa, who I think. I
Speaker 3: think it's like five percent of the pollution comes from
Speaker 3: the entire continent of Africa, you know, and they're probably
Speaker 3: going to have the hardest. This will impact them the
Speaker 3: most drastically.
Speaker 2: Are you very involved in that world?
Speaker 3: Do you?
Speaker 4: What do you do with them?
Speaker 2: I mean, how does an individual do that? I mean,
Speaker 2: because I find it hard to believe that if I
Speaker 2: put you know, plastic in one container and you know,
Speaker 2: vegetables in another, that it will help Africa.
Speaker 4: Does it work?
Speaker 3: So I'm on the Environmental Media Association board. We just
Speaker 3: had a Climate and Impact summit last week. It was
Speaker 3: a three day thing where different people who are trying
Speaker 3: to work on ways of solving this and a youth
Speaker 3: board which we also have, sort of come together and
Speaker 3: figure out positive steps you can take, you know, going forward.
Speaker 3: But what it seems to always boil down to is consumption,
Speaker 3: and we are such huge consumers here and breaking that
Speaker 3: kind of addiction is going to be the biggest challenge.
Speaker 3: Like I have to say, if somebody told me, Okay,
Speaker 3: you're not gonna be able to drive anymore, You're going
Speaker 3: to have to take mass transit. What am I going
Speaker 3: to do about my music?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: Well, I guess I'm going to have to put my
Speaker 3: earbuts in just blasted that way. I'm being facetious. But
Speaker 3: I was sitting the other day when it was pouring rain.
Speaker 3: I was going to come and see you, and it
Speaker 3: was just way too crazy in story and thinking, God,
Speaker 3: how blessed am I to be sitting in this cozy
Speaker 3: house with a fire going, and I'm dry and safe
Speaker 3: and warm, And there are so many people who are
Speaker 3: not in this situation or it's either too fucking hot
Speaker 3: or it's too freezing cold, and it's they don't have
Speaker 3: any options. And we have so many options. But it's
Speaker 3: going to take those of us who do have those
Speaker 3: options to just sort of lead the charge if we're
Speaker 3: going to fundamentally change the way this is going in
Speaker 3: the direction we're going in.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because I of course agree with you, and
Speaker 2: I think that a law, I think probably the majority
Speaker 2: of people would agree with you. I think that there
Speaker 2: is an emotional distrust out there of the system and
Speaker 2: how to do it. I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: have lost faith and because there is no real news
Speaker 2: outlet that you can trust like.
Speaker 3: None, like I don't. I still I still find NPR comforting,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't listen to enough NPR, but I like the
Speaker 2: idea of you being out there in the rainy house
Speaker 2: for the fire going and NPR.
Speaker 3: I still listen to the BBC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't hold with the BBC anymore.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the journalism.
Speaker 3: Is great, but they've let you do.
Speaker 2: But they've let me down a couple of times, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, that's not what happened, or why didn't
Speaker 2: you report on that? Or you know, it's like there
Speaker 2: is subject to pressure from outside horses as everyone else.
Speaker 3: You know, what we might need an alien invasion.
Speaker 4: That would certainly bring us all together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, something that unifies you to realize you really do
Speaker 3: share this planet.
Speaker 4: Or maybe a giant comet.
Speaker 3: Or a giant commet, you know, asteroid.
Speaker 2: Like asteroid, big asteroid coming towards that.
Speaker 3: It be not an invasion, but the aliens come, but
Speaker 3: they're far more wise wiser than we are. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, like e T or did you ever see
Speaker 3: the Day of the Earth stood still? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Of course, which one corp like Klattultu Metico. Yeah, now
Speaker 5: you're talking the Brian the original one, right, That was
Speaker 5: Michael Rennie.
Speaker 2: Michael Rannie, not Brian Rennie. I think Brian Rennie was
Speaker 2: the guy that does.
Speaker 4: Let Go with like I was.
Speaker 2: I don't remember being in a nut film Michael Ranni
Speaker 2: and then Kenna Reeves did the remake of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you can't rent that movie.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: Although if you've got a chance of doing anything good,
Speaker 2: it's with Kenny's really Yeah, I'm a big fan, are you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I am. Well I should probably revisit him because
Speaker 3: I fell out.
Speaker 4: Of in what movie one?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just I found him not so interesting.
Speaker 4: You have to have you seen the John Wick movies. No,
Speaker 4: they're awesome.
Speaker 3: Okay, they're like a dark.
Speaker 4: Tom Cruise movie, like bad, violent, scary.
Speaker 3: That's why I haven't seen that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't imagine that it's your thing, you know what.
Speaker 2: It's not really my thing either. But I watched one
Speaker 2: and I thought, oh, you know what, that's awesome. I'm
Speaker 2: going to watch that.
Speaker 3: I get it's like a guy thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a little bit.
Speaker 3: I know. I remember somebody in New York years ago,
Speaker 3: who was a writer on Saturday Night Live in the
Speaker 3: early days, printed cards saying violence is not entertainment. I'm
Speaker 3: kind of I'm sort of a subscriber with that. So
Speaker 3: I don't watch violent things. I get that, but I
Speaker 3: think it is Saturday Life.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: Also, it's kind of like the gunfight scene or Star
Speaker 2: Wars or you know what I mean. It's like violences
Speaker 2: and entertainment, you know, Three Stooges. Even in Marks Brought.
Speaker 3: There's something about the violence that's kind of silly and
Speaker 3: fun and fantastical, and something about the real terrifying. And
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I'm just speaking for myself,
Speaker 3: because perhaps that can put some people off and make
Speaker 3: them a little more wary of doing that. But we
Speaker 3: are such a violent society right now in this country
Speaker 3: that I don't know that it's good to glorify that.
Speaker 4: Oh I suppose you're right.
Speaker 2: Does it desensitize you to violence?
Speaker 4: I suppose it does?
Speaker 3: I think so?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. I think they had to do that.
Speaker 3: Do you remember do you remember did you ever see
Speaker 3: the movie Alan Ladd was a George Stevens movie? All right,
Speaker 3: George Stevens, Yeah, but it was the first Western where
Speaker 3: he said, I want real gun on fire. I want
Speaker 3: to hear how loud it is. And when it was
Speaker 3: first screened in the in the theaters, people said, turn
Speaker 3: that way down, it's way too loud. They said, no,
Speaker 3: that's the sound of a real gun going off. And
Speaker 3: when they punch somebody, you really heard the punch and
Speaker 3: you saw the guy go down hard, and it was
Speaker 3: it was important. Shane Shane, Shane, you know what.
Speaker 4: I have seen that movie a lot.
Speaker 3: He wanted people to understand that this was real, that
Speaker 3: it's not just a boom boom boom boom. You know,
Speaker 3: it's uh that that guns kill and punch is hurt.
Speaker 2: I remember seeing that when I was a kid in
Speaker 2: the Rockford Files the first time, when Jim Gardner would
Speaker 2: punch somebody, they go ow ow.
Speaker 3: His hand was sort of everything and it was kind
Speaker 3: of cartoony.
Speaker 2: But I remember thinking, because I was, you know, I
Speaker 2: get into some scrapes and I was a kid, and
Speaker 2: I remember.
Speaker 4: Really really hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't just get up and do it again
Speaker 3: and then run after the guy after you've had that. No,
Speaker 3: I still see these things. Occasionally I'll catch something and
Speaker 3: it'll be a guy getting the shit beat out of
Speaker 3: them and he gets up and runs after the one
Speaker 3: who did it.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, that's also true when people get
Speaker 2: drunk in movies. They don't feel that well, they get
Speaker 2: I'm really drunk, and then then they say, but we
Speaker 2: have to go and do this and go okay, and
Speaker 2: they kind of shake it off like that's the arena.
Speaker 3: Apparently that's the adrenaline.
Speaker 2: It's like two months in fucking rehab to stop being
Speaker 2: drunk nasty.
Speaker 4: So listen as we get onto that, just very briefly.
Speaker 2: You never because we talked about you taking the bass
Speaker 2: notes and the psychedelics.
Speaker 4: But it never drew you in. You never got into
Speaker 4: a problem with any of it.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I actually I think I'm blessed with
Speaker 3: moderation and.
Speaker 2: You are a very temperate person emotionally, I think. But
Speaker 2: I've never been married to you, so I don't.
Speaker 3: Well that's true. Yeah, no, I would say, I say,
Speaker 3: that's that's kind of I think that's how I'm wired.
Speaker 3: So I enjoyed it. But it never interfered with you know,
Speaker 3: school or work or anything like that. Admirable, and I'd
Speaker 3: like to drink, but you know, not long access. Do
Speaker 3: you like to drink Scotch in the winter when it's
Speaker 3: really cold, You would really enjoy Scotland. Apart from the
Speaker 3: hag Gus, I'm more of a Martini person, but I.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, well also they drink Martini's.
Speaker 2: So you and your husband come to Scotland and we'll
Speaker 2: feed you some salmon and whiskey, and you can go to.
Speaker 3: The re church and the Wee Church and you go
Speaker 3: to the we church. Sounds like a plan.
Speaker 4: All right, Thanks for coming back.
Speaker 3: It's my joy to be here. See.
Speaker 4: I love that you're so professional.
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to help.
Speaker 4: No, it's all right.
Speaker 3: I like you.
Speaker 2: I think you two.
Speaker 4: That's why we did this.