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Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it put? Is it put? Oh? My goodness,

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Speaker 1: it's pot. DeAndre Hopkins pot he put it for a dockdown.

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Speaker 1: Problem solved, up down Tyler Murray. That defender is in

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Speaker 1: multiple pieces? All that was nasty right there? Rights the

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Speaker 1: latest news and notes from the guys who covered the teams.

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Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slam the ground by foota baker like

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Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared

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Speaker 1: of nobody. Here's Paul Calvic. I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: guys are believers in big things happening in threes. You know,

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Speaker 1: show a hands doesn't really matter. If we did believe

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Speaker 1: me and Darren, I'm sure Kyle would not believe. But

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Speaker 1: even so, may I site that so far in two

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Speaker 1: twenty one. If you're scoring at home, Yes, we did

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Speaker 1: land on Mars. Yes, alas unfortunately Kim and Kanye are

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Speaker 1: getting in a divorce. And yes we can confirm JJ

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Speaker 1: Watt is still an Arizona Cardinal. Hello and welcome to

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground, Paul calBC, Darren Urban Kowota guard. All brought

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. Let that wash over you, Darren, just

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Speaker 1: in case you needed to remind yourself, because did we

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Speaker 1: not a year ago? At this time with DeAndre Hopkins,

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Speaker 1: you'd have to remind yourself several times per week, if

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Speaker 1: not per day. Hello, d hop as an Arizona cardinal. Well,

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Speaker 1: same deal all over again with JJ Watt. Well, there's

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Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a difference, Paul, and that

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Speaker 1: is at this point last week or last year, you

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Speaker 1: would have the conversation with yourself of oh, that's right,

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins is an Arizona Cardinal. But then you also,

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Speaker 1: for a number of weeks, had the conversation, oh god,

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Speaker 1: he hasn't taken his physical yet, this trade is not

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Speaker 1: yet official. Oh god, Well, the Texans back out of

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Speaker 1: this that cannot happen here. J J. Watt was on

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Speaker 1: the market. I was in the building when he signed

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Speaker 1: the contract, and that's a done deal. So the differences

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Speaker 1: there is there's absolutely no chance this could fall through.

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Speaker 1: And there was that little nagging thing which I believe

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Speaker 1: you continue to bring up a lot because you apparently

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Speaker 1: can't deal with something like that last year, Paul. So

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Speaker 1: if I recall correctly, well, once again, you know I

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Speaker 1: couldn't get where is it here? It is the trophy

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Speaker 1: until it was officially official. And did we not all

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Speaker 1: have that pit in the bottom of our stomach, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: that somehow, some way that since would sober up and

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Speaker 1: reverse the trade, which never did happen. All you've always

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Speaker 1: have been a huge dot your eye and cross your teas. Guy,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad it became official for you. Nothing to worry

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Speaker 1: about now JJ Watt signed. You always thought like maybe

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Speaker 1: it off. But yes, the ink is dry. The signing

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Speaker 1: official too. That's right, is somebody who lives by the

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Speaker 1: hashtag no math. You're right, I'm always buttoned up. I mean,

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Speaker 1: The fact that he kept it a secret, the fact

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Speaker 1: He was still only a finalist at that point, so

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Speaker 1: That would have been really interesting. Had like he was

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Speaker 1: get into what matters here in the Cardinals offseason. Darren,

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Speaker 1: were you offended at all by the fact that number

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Speaker 1: ninety nine became available my opinion, Thanks for asking, real quick.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand some of the blowback that you've seen,

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Speaker 1: And I would dare say that even with his retired number,

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Speaker 1: and not everybody was going to know that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: did remember because he wasn't that long ago of a

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Speaker 1: Because hey, in all likelihood, JJ Watt is getting his

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Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, Kyle, it won't be the

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Speaker 1: one of two defensive lineman last year to play more

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Speaker 1: than a thousand snaps. He led the league in tackles

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Speaker 1: for loss against the run, and he had the highest

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Speaker 1: percentage of double teams of any defensive linemen in the league.

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Speaker 1: You put him down with a Chandler Jones where they

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Speaker 1: can't get away with that to nearly the same degree.

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Speaker 1: And if you go back to the year he had

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Speaker 1: Jadeveon Clowney, he had sixteen sacks, and in some of

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Speaker 1: the other years when he came off injury, he had

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Speaker 1: twenty sacks in each of those So were that some

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Speaker 1: of the evidence I cited, We don't know, obviously, But

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Speaker 1: to get back to his answer, a lot, a whole

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Speaker 1: lot those numbers would seem to bolster his case. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to look at his PFF grades because that

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Speaker 1: I think that tells you a lot more more than

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Speaker 1: just a sack total. When you got five sacks, it's

444
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Speaker 1: like Dennis Gardeck had more sacks than JJ Watt last season.

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Speaker 1: That certainly doesn't tell you the whole story. And I

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Speaker 1: agree that it seems like he still has a lot

447
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Speaker 1: left because he's playing at a high level when you

448
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Speaker 1: look at pressures and run defense and all that, and

449
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Speaker 1: then I just think he's the type of player where

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Speaker 1: if if he gets hurt and misses a few games,

451
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Speaker 1: to me, that's the bigger concern as the injury history,

452
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Speaker 1: not at the level he's playing at, because maybe he's

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Speaker 1: not peaked JJ Watt of age twenty five twenty six,

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Speaker 1: when he's consistently the NFL defensive Player of the Year,

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Speaker 1: But that's such a ridiculously high ceiling that even if

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Speaker 1: he's a tier or two below that, he's still a

457
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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl player if things come together personally correctly, I

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Speaker 1: think he could be an All Pro player still because

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Speaker 1: he's thirty two. He's not thirty six, So I feel

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Speaker 1: like if he stays healthy, he's certainly still going to

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Speaker 1: be a game wrecker. And obviously the Cardinals think that too,

462
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Speaker 1: or else they're not giving him that type of money.

463
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Speaker 1: I found it incredibly interesting because this did not come

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Speaker 1: up when he talked with us, and obviously he's been

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Speaker 1: a few places. But he did a podcast, short podcast interview.

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Speaker 1: He didn't do a whole podcast. It it was like

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Speaker 1: a ten minute segment, but he talked to Adam Schefter

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Speaker 1: on Adam Schefter's podcast, and this point I have not

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Speaker 1: seen have him having made it anywhere else, but I

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Speaker 1: thought it was really interesting. You know, he's from Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: He grew up in Wisconsin, and when he was younger,

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Speaker 1: obviously he was paying attention to the Packers and was

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Speaker 1: a big Packers fan when they signed Reggie White as

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Speaker 1: a free agent. Now, Reggie White, one of the best

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Speaker 1: defensive linemen of all time, bounced around a little bit,

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Speaker 1: started in the USFL, you know, went to the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: started dominating. I did not know this, but he did

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Speaker 1: because you know, JJ turns thirty two later this month.

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Speaker 1: When Reggie White signed with the Packers, he was thirty

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Speaker 1: two years old, and he obviously had a number of excellent,

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Speaker 1: over the top great seasons with Green Bay, including winning

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. Now, JJ Watt wasn't saying that's exactly

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Speaker 1: what he's gonna do, but it is interesting to note

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Speaker 1: that if he can stay healthy, you know, there there

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Speaker 1: is that possibility, and there are defensive linemen that last

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Speaker 1: a good chunk of time. And again, this is a

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Speaker 1: two year deal for the Cardinals. You know, yeah, they

488
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Speaker 1: paid a lot of money, but if he's a game

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Speaker 1: Wrecker for two years thirty million dollars is going to

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Speaker 1: be a bargain quite frankly, if he plays at the

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Speaker 1: level that he thinks he can play at. Speaking of

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Speaker 1: the numbers, so the financial figures reportedly two years, thirty

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Speaker 1: one million total, twenty three million guaranteed at twelve million

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Speaker 1: dollars signing bonus. The base is twenty eight over two years,

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Speaker 1: within three million available incentives predicated on double digit sacks

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Speaker 1: reaching ten in each of the two years. What's the

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Speaker 1: cap number though? That's the unknown, isn't it, guys? Right? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you know, we were, you know, Kyle and

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Speaker 1: I were kind of talking about this off lot. You

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Speaker 1: can if it's a truly a two year deal, what

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Speaker 1: did you figure it out, Kyle? Based on what we know,

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Speaker 1: it would be about eight this year. Yeah, So if

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Speaker 1: it's truly a two year deal, it could be eight

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Speaker 1: point five million, which is still a relatively large chunk

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Speaker 1: if you've only got eleven or twelve million dollars a

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Speaker 1: cap space. However, and this is what we don't know

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Speaker 1: yet because we don't have the actual details to the

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Speaker 1: point that we need them. If you, for instance, you're

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals and you give him all that money and

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Speaker 1: it's two but it's really on paper a five year

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Speaker 1: contract and it automatically voids after two years. Then you

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Speaker 1: can spread that signing bonus over five years, and that

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Speaker 1: would appreciably lessen this year's cap especially, and then it

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Speaker 1: would all accelerate in two years after he's done, and

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Speaker 1: then all of the rest of the signing bonus would

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Speaker 1: accelerate under your dead cap It's the same thing they

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Speaker 1: did with Devondary Campbell this year, where they're going to

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Speaker 1: carry a four million dollar capit this year, even though

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Speaker 1: they probably won't have Divondary Campbell because they wanted to

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Speaker 1: give him six million dollars last year and only wanted

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Speaker 1: to take a two million dollar capits. So if we

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Speaker 1: didn't get too far in the weeds. Until we know

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Speaker 1: the exact contract structure, we're not going to know. But

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Speaker 1: it's very possible that if they use some avoidable years

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Speaker 1: in there, that the number could be as low as

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Speaker 1: five or six maybe. And I'm just spitballing not knowing exactly.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to put anything out there that we know,

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Speaker 1: but all of a sudden and for everything, if you

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Speaker 1: managed to lower it for whatever reason kicking the can

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Speaker 1: down the road that you lower it to a four

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Speaker 1: or five million dollars cap hit in that first year,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty significant. So when Steve Kaye at the media

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Speaker 1: and said that he wants to bring back a number

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Speaker 1: of his own star players and that, in addition to that,

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Speaker 1: the jj WAT signing does not preclude the Cardinals from

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Speaker 1: pursuing other big name, big time free agents. Is that realistic, Kyle?

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Speaker 1: You think, yeah, for sure. I mean you look at

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Speaker 1: it now, and okay, they might it might look like

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Speaker 1: they only have four or five million dollars of cap room.

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Speaker 1: But if they release guys like a lot of the

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Speaker 1: NFL has started to do, if they restructure contracts, if

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Speaker 1: they extend certain players. We've talked about Chandler Jones in

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Speaker 1: past podcasts. If you give him an extension, that cap

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Speaker 1: number comes down. So there's a lot of wiggle room

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Speaker 1: and ways to change salary cap numbers. You can take

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Speaker 1: a high paid guy right now, drop his base salary down,

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Speaker 1: give him a signing bonus, and push it down the road.

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Speaker 1: So if you want to spend a lot of money

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Speaker 1: for this season, you can, and there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: different ways to get there. And maybe the Cardinals are

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Speaker 1: looking at it like we've got Kyler Murray on a

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Speaker 1: cheap deal. We feel like we are on the edge

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Speaker 1: of competitiveness and contender status. All these guys in the

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Speaker 1: free agent market are going to be cheaper than a

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Speaker 1: normal year because of the way the cap is shrinking.

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Speaker 1: So let's go for it. And if they do that,

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Speaker 1: I think there are definitely the means to make that happen,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see exactly how aggressive they are. But if

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Speaker 1: there's somebody the Cardinals want, I think jj Wat's a

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Speaker 1: great example here. His cap hit is six million dollars. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna pay for down the road and it's going

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Speaker 1: to be more expensive and ensuing years, but for this

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Speaker 1: year in particular, he's not very expensive. And that's the

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Speaker 1: way you can really add a lot of talent to

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Speaker 1: this year's team. And let's make it clear, Paul, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to insult you in any way, shape

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Speaker 1: or form, but sorry, I could take it. Definitely, definitely

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be the first time I'm did say why to

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Speaker 1: resign some of his own guys. Big name was never phrased.

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Speaker 1: He put in there, and I think that's a kind

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Speaker 1: kind quite frankly, I think that's crucial with the number

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Speaker 1: of free agents they have left. When he said I

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Speaker 1: want to sign resign a number of our guys, that's

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Speaker 1: a number of guys. I mean you could sign ten

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Speaker 1: of the guys that are free agents and not touch

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Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick and Larry Fitzgerald and Patrick Peterson. And there

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Speaker 1: are still important players, guys that you need on special

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Speaker 1: teams and stuff. But who knows. So I'm am curious

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Speaker 1: to know where this goes, especially when you start talking

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Speaker 1: about a Reddick or Patrick Peterson in particular, Marcus Golden

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Speaker 1: maybe or what it might mean and the other thing.

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Speaker 1: And as Kyle was saying, you know, you don't know

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Speaker 1: what the market is going to look like. And the

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Speaker 1: next seven days, ten days, we're going to see so

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Speaker 1: many guys getting cut. The market is absolutely gonna get

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Speaker 1: flooded with people that are looking for contracts. And that's

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Speaker 1: not just bad for the guys that get cut. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's too bad, but that also hurts anybody out of

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Speaker 1: your own that's going to become a free agent. Because

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be that many more people on the market.

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Speaker 1: It's going to depress salaries. It just is because that's

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Speaker 1: what was going to happen this year, and it's going

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Speaker 1: to naturally happen, and I think that's kind of where

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals are right now. That's the other thing fans

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Speaker 1: I think need to get their head around is I

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Speaker 1: agree with Kyle that they are going to push their

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Speaker 1: chips in here and do some moves so they can

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Speaker 1: make a big move in twenty twenty one. But the

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Speaker 1: reality on the backside of that is they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a ton and I think a lot of teams will.

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Speaker 1: They are going to have a ton of free agents

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Speaker 1: again next year, and they're not necessarily going to be

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Speaker 1: able to keep them all beyond one year because those

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00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be able to go back out in

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Speaker 1: the market and have a much grander place where they

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Speaker 1: can sell their wares. The big name guys might not

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Speaker 1: be big money guys. That might be the harsh reality.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, Kid didn't say just a guy,

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Speaker 1: So you know, hopefully I'm not remiss and maybe throwing that,

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Speaker 1: you know, because that's what he's not saying, just the

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Speaker 1: guy that that would tend to insult, especially when you

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Speaker 1: talk about your own guys. You're just a jag, that's right,

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Speaker 1: But it was a two years ago we went with

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Speaker 1: the hashtag Kyle tick tid on the pending arrival of

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. I think I need to bust that out

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Speaker 1: again at this point based on what we're hearing. To

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Speaker 1: Darren's point, did you hear what Michael Bidwell also said

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Speaker 1: on Serious NFL Radio quote, there's going to be a

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Speaker 1: seismic shift in talent across the NFL teams projected to

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Speaker 1: be well above and well under the cap. Lots free

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Speaker 1: agents think that they're going to get released, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: get paid, but they'll end up getting released and there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of surprises here. We're going to

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Speaker 1: see a big shift in talent moving around. There's going

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Speaker 1: to be an opportunity for us quote end quote from

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Speaker 1: Michael Bidwell. So is this truly a situation where Okay,

627
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Speaker 1: had clock is ticking and there's gonna be a day

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Speaker 1: of reckoning coming real soon by March seventeenth. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think we've seen a lot of players. Desmond Truffont

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Speaker 1: was one of the most recent guys to get released.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's a star cornerback where he was before

632
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Speaker 1: his injuries. There's gonna be a lot of big names,

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Speaker 1: and the way Michael Bidwell has been talking about it,

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Speaker 1: the way Steve Kime and Cliff Kingsbury have been talking

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Speaker 1: about it, obviously they're well aware that teams have had

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Speaker 1: a lot of success in this year two, year, three,

637
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: year four window of good rookie quarterbacks and there's not

638
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: time to waste. I mean, they have to go for

639
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: it because Kyler Murray is going to get expensive as

640
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: soon as next offseason. If they decided to give him

641
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: a lucrative extension, and if they don't start it after

642
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: a year four, that's all of a sudden going to

643
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: start adding money to the twenty twenty two cap. And

644
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: we'll see exactly how they want to work that out.

645
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of different ways to do extensions.

646
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: You can just wait, like Jared Goff just did his

647
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: rookie deal and then they added it on after that.

648
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: But you could start making Kyler Murray more expensive in

649
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: year four after you do that extension, so we know

650
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: he's going to be cheap this year. We'll see what

651
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: happens moving forward, but I think clearly twenty twenty one

652
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: is a season where Kyler Murray is getting to the

653
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: point where he's gonna start getting close to his athletic prime,

654
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna understand things more mentally, he's going to continue

655
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 1: to progress, and you still have him for a good price.

656
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: So I feel like it's just kind of the perfect

657
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: meld of a quarterback that's ascending, a team that has

658
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: cap room, and you're really going to push your chips in.

659
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: Jared Goff hadn't even officially started his one hundred plus

660
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: a million dollar contract extension and they traded him way.

661
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: And that is the Cardinals competitive advantage in the division

662
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: right now. Guess what the Rams are paying Matthew Stafford.

663
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: The Niners have big money attached to Jimmy g even

664
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: though they can get out with less than a four

665
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: million dollar cap hit. And keep your eye on the

666
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: forty nine ers right now, because we're hearing a few

667
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: things about Sam Darnold maybe going to the forty nine ers.

668
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: We'll see about that. Russell Wilson obviously with the Mondo contract.

669
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: But something is afoot when you see Joe Banner on Twitter,

670
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: and unlike all the current gms and execs who are

671
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: not allowed to say stuff, like this. A former exec

672
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: of the Eagles and Browns tweets out and I quote,

673
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: the league is about to go through four of the

674
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: more interesting weeks ever, and all the conversation is still

675
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: about quarterbacks. They matter a lot, but the rest of

676
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: the story is going mostly untold. There is a lot

677
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: going on behind the scenes. It's going to be a

678
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: great opportunity for smart teams. Joe Banner and I think

679
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: that's exactly what Michael Bidwell is alluding to in his conversation,

680
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: which really makes you wonder if this all season is

681
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: about to get real interesting. Darren, Yeah, I mean I

682
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: think it was always going to be interesting. I think

683
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: it's becoming into focus as we get closer. But I mean,

684
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: this is something that I've been anticipating in thinking about

685
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: basically since last year, when it was collectively bargained that

686
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: there would be a salary cap floor at the time

687
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: of one hundred and seventy five million dollars going into

688
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: this season. It's sent the floor has since been raised

689
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: to one eighty and there's still a chance it could

690
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: be one eighty three or whatever it might be. We

691
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: still don't have a final cat number, which is an issue,

692
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: but This is the reality because the best players are

693
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: still going to get their regular deals because they're the

694
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: best players, and there's nothing you can do about it.

695
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: And there's so many teams that are underwater in terms

696
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: of the cap that they're cutting players just to get

697
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: somewhere close to the cap. I mean, the Cardinals before

698
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: JJ Watt had whatever it was in twelve million dollars

699
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: in cap space and that put him near the top

700
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: of the division. That the forty nine ers we are

701
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: right around thirteen million, and the Seahawks hardly have any

702
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: and the Rams are well over the cap at this point.

703
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: So you know, it's not like this division can do

704
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: a whole lot without making some moves. And we've talked

705
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: about this before. It's easy. It's relatively easy to make moves.

706
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: It's relatively easy to do accounting magic to make sure

707
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: that you can get more cap room. It just means

708
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: that somewhere down the road that it's going to hit

709
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: your cap and you try and get to a point.

710
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: Steve Time talks about it all the time. He's looking

711
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: at this from a three year view. They are going

712
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: to push their chips and they are going to do stuff,

713
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: but they'll never do what like the Saints have done,

714
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: which has gotten them to the point where at one

715
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: point they were going to be something like seventy five

716
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: million dollars over the cap. Now again cap dropped, but

717
00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: they were still going to be well over the cap

718
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: because all they did is keep pushing money forward, pushing

719
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: money forward, pushing money forward. The Cardinals are going to

720
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: try and be somewhat smart about that to an extent. Right,

721
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: So if they invest big money, significant money, let's say

722
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: in a big name or established veteran where what position group, Kyle,

723
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: what do you think, give me, give me your power

724
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: poll of most vital positions where you think that Cardinals

725
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: are going to target? Cornerback to me would be number one.

726
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: I think that's obvious looking at where they stand without

727
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: either outside corner exactly nailed down. Wide receiver is another

728
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,479
Speaker 1: one where I think they could go after one. Still

729
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: kind of with limbo with Larry Fitzgerald. I don't know

730
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: what you do if he comes back, if they still

731
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: targeted number two, and then I mean, then you have

732
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: four starting receivers and it gets a little bit murky

733
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: at that point how that all shakes out. But I

734
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: still think wide receiver is a natural one tight end

735
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: as well. I mean, if you if if Larry comes

736
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: back and you feel like you're going to run it

737
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: back with Larry Fitzgerald, Christian Kirk and DeAndre Hopkins, maybe

738
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: the way you add to those pass catchers is you

739
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: get one of the better tight ends and put him

740
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: in that mix. So I think all three of those positions,

741
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: and then interior offensive line and maybe still edge rusher

742
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: or in that mix, depending on what your plan is

743
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: what you want to do. But to me, corner and

744
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: then some sort of pass catching option, whether it be

745
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: wide receiver at tight end, would be my top two. Darren.

746
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: Your reaction to that, you know, I don't know how

747
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: you could go with anything but cornerback right out of

748
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: the box, just because of the situation they're in and

749
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: the unknowns when you're talking about both your starters are

750
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: going to be free agents, not knowing what Patrick Peterson's

751
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: market might be, and just the fact that they haven't

752
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: the couple of cornerbacks they have other than Byron Murphy.

753
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: They they've tried to use some eight round picks on

754
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: cornerbacks and I haven't really developed anything. You know that

755
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: Kevin Peterson has been basically their most reliable number four

756
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: cornerback the last couple of years because of Robert Alford's injuries,

757
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: and with all due respects Kevin Peterson, I'm sure they'd

758
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 1: like to upgrade there. So I think the Patrick Peterson

759
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: thing is the most interesting. Now that JJ Watt is here,

760
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: does that change his mindset and what does his market

761
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: look like by the time we get to March seventeenth,

762
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: because I do think he could still have a decent market.

763
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: But they're supposed to be a lot of cornerbacks out there.

764
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: I know Pro Football Focus only has him is like

765
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: the thirteenth best scheduled free agent to be and that's

766
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: before guys like Desmond Truffon are being released. And so

767
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: again it goes back to what we were talking about before.

768
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: This market is going to be flooded in a lot

769
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: of ways. How much does that impact every single individual player.

770
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: It's going to be very very interesting. I find it

771
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: intriguing too that when Michael Bidwell and Steve Kime have

772
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: been asked recently on air about the future of Patrick Peterson,

773
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 1: they tend to hit zoom out and then talk about

774
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: veterans in general having to realize the cap ramifications this year,

775
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: and if you put one plus one together, it sort

776
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: of leads me to believe that Pat hasn't come to

777
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: that reality yet. Perhaps and maybe he doesn't have to.

778
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: Maybe he hits the open market, to Darren's point, and

779
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: there is a team. All it takes is one that's

780
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: going to give him an eight figure salary that he's

781
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: accustomed to. I'm just guessing, Kyle, the Cardinals aren't that

782
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: team right now, and that they love an answer to

783
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: Pat Pete before March seventeenth. I don't think they're gonna

784
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: get it. I think there's a divide and he's gonna

785
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: have to test the market to see it for himself.

786
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: I think we always kind of felt like that would

787
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: be the case. I mean, Patrick Peterson has this incredible

788
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: resume from the past, all pro, eight time Pro bowler,

789
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he's done everything you want from a cornerback,

790
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: and he's saying, look at what I've done and look

791
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: what I can still be. And then teams might say, Okay,

792
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 1: what are you going to be in the future. It's

793
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: great that you've done that, but can you continue to

794
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: play at that level? And I think that's an interesting

795
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: conversation and one that they have to figure out whether

796
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: there's a meeting spot in between both of those ideas,

797
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: or if there is a team that thinks Patrick Peterson

798
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: is a Pro Bowl cornerback. Because if there's one team

799
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: out there that thinks he has that within him, then

800
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: they're going to give him a decent deal, especially a

801
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: team that is on the brink of contention. I mean,

802
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: if you can get a number one cornerback added to

803
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: your group for a decent deal this offseason, that's a

804
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: really good value. So I think a lot of it

805
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: depends on how he has looked at across the league. Like, yeah,

806
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: if you look at the PF numbers and you think

807
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: he's an average cornerback, then nobody's going to pay him.

808
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: But PFF doesn't always tell the same story that team

809
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: evaluations do. They look at it a lot differently. So

810
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: we're going to know Patrick Peterson's market value pretty quickly.

811
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: And I agree over the next you know, eight ten days,

812
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: I think we're going to have a good idea of

813
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: exactly what Patrick Peterson thinks he's worth, and then what

814
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: he is worth and whether that means coming back to

815
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, are going somewhere else. I still have no idea,

816
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: but it's certainly to me now the most intriguing thing

817
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: after the Watts signing where the Hussan Reddick is more

818
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: on the back burner because they found another pass rusher. Now,

819
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: still what is going to happen at cornerback? But do

820
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: you think Reddick Darren fits that same scenario where he's

821
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: going to have to get the open market too before

822
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 1: the Cardinals even consider making an offer because I'm guessing

823
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: what he's expecting where the Cardinals are willing to offer.

824
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: There's a large gap right there. Well, I hope I'm

825
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 1: not speaking out of school, but quite frankly, with those guys,

826
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: the son Reddick definitely, but with Patrick Peterson you'd be

827
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: dumb not to investigate the market. Now, the issue with

828
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 1: every player when you talk about because this has happened

829
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: in the past and regular off seasons with a regular cap,

830
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: is that sometimes the Cardinals say, look, this is gonna

831
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: be what we're offering, and if you don't want it,

832
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: that's cool. But if we get to free and see

833
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: that offer might not be there because we might spend

834
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: that money elsewhere, whether it's the money or fill that position.

835
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: So that's the risk you're taking if you don't take

836
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: it beforehand. So that always could be part of this

837
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: with anybody. But when it comes to Reddick, I mean, again,

838
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: you only get to be a free agent so many times,

839
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: and I think, as we said the other day, I

840
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: think he's more likely than Patrick Peterson to take a

841
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: one year deal to cash in if if the contract

842
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: isn't here. But as we saw with Marcus Golden, that's

843
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: what Marcus Golden did in New York and then had

844
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: a ten sax season and he still never got the

845
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: market he was expecting. So there's a risk there too.

846
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: I think Hassan Reddick would flourish in a defense that

847
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: featured J. J. Watton Chandler Jones, But if he's not

848
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: going to get paid like he wants to when somebody

849
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: else is willing to do that, he's got to consider that.

850
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I do think, like Patrick Peterson, he

851
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: needs to touch the market. I don't think he would

852
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: close the door and coming back to the Cardinals even

853
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: if he did that. But usually if you get to

854
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: the market and somebody wows you, that's it. It reminds

855
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: me of that Klais when Klais left and he desperately

856
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: wanted to stay with the Cardinals so badly that he

857
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: even called them after that, even though he knew they

858
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: weren't going to go up to it. He called them

859
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: back saying, this is what I'm being offered from Jacksonville.

860
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: And he didn't say this, but and almost he was

861
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: almost begging his agent to beg them to like make

862
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: something work, and it just wasn't going to. And so

863
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: we'll see how that plays out. If I remember that

864
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: all access to Calais video, because I was thinking of

865
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: exactly that. Didn't the Cardinals come up a little bit

866
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: to twelve per year? But then when Jacksonville hit fifteen

867
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: per year, Cardinals were like out, you know, just that

868
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: just it just wasn't happening well. And to clarify with

869
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: the Claiss stuff, because I still see fans kind of

870
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: off and and and first of all, he proved that

871
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: he was worth that money through the four years which

872
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: just ended, so he over he exceeded expectations. The Cardinals

873
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: did not think Claiss was done when they let him go.

874
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: What they thought was he had two more really good

875
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: years left in him, and they didn't want to pay

876
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: for four years of really good years, and so that's

877
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: what they were hesitant about, and that's what Jacksonville was

878
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: willing to do. Now it turned out Campbell was worth it,

879
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: but that's where they were going with it. They were

880
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: trying to be smart for the long term and take

881
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: the short term hit. Oh and they were kind of

882
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: hoping Robert Candici was going to turn into something, which

883
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 1: he did not. So there there again, with all these

884
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: free agents, there's there's a risk you take for letting

885
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: a guy go, and there's a risk you take in

886
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: JJ Watt and signing a guy. And I just read

887
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: an article by Michael Lombardi, the former front office guy,

888
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: basically drilling the Cardinals for giving JJ Wat way too

889
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: much money for how old he is. And again, if

890
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: he doesn't perform, the Cardinals are gonna get roasted. And

891
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: if he does perform, they're gonna look like geniuses. And

892
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: we'll see where it'll lands. And then you have a

893
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: certain somebody who might not have his future known until

894
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: after March seventeenth. Not that he's hitting in the open market.

895
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,959
Speaker 1: But when Steve Kim was asked about Larry Fitzgerald Kyle

896
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: and he said he didn't necessarily need an answer by

897
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: the start of the league year. That opened an eye

898
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: for me. I wasn't expecting that response. Yeah, I mean

899
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: he might not necessarily need one. I think it would

900
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: behove Steve Kim to have an idea of what Larry

901
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald wants to do. And I mean that was an

902
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: answer in a press conference, so who knows about the

903
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: behind the scenes machinations with that. But it's interesting from

904
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: a team building standpoint, if you don't know what Larry

905
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald's gonna do, how you handle wide receiver in free agency.

906
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: I mean, if you wanted to go after a number

907
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: two if he retires and you don't, if he's coming back,

908
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: that's a pretty big deal and you have to figure

909
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: that out. Or maybe they say, hey, Larry fitzeniald future

910
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: isn't as big of a deal because we want to

911
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 1: sign a guy for the next three seasons and he's

912
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: going to be here as part of our future no

913
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: matter what. So I think it depends on what the

914
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: Cardinals are thinking internally. But either way, I mean, having

915
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: a resolution with Larry Fitzgerald before free agency I think

916
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: would be obviously the more optimal situation for Steve Kime.

917
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: I do wonder a little bit that we're this far

918
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: down the road, And then when he says that he

919
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have to know, it makes me wonder how

920
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: much they're willing to give him money wise, And it

921
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: makes me wonder if maybe again that's one of the

922
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: things that fits his mulling is Okay, I get to play,

923
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: and I'm playing on a team that's pushing its chips

924
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: in desperately for this run this year. But to do

925
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: all that and be a part of it, I'm going

926
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: to have to take five million dollars or something drastically

927
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: lower than what he's ever made. And maybe that's part

928
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: of the reason he's thinking about it. Who knows. I mean,

929
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: this is all speculation here, but it's fairly all on

930
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: the table at this point as we wait. Now, As

931
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: you guys know, I've never been highly sought after and

932
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: highly marketable pro athlete. But I'm wondering, even if he

933
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: takes a serious haircut, not literally, but financially, Let's say

934
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: he goes down from eleven million plus to five million

935
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: per year, that still enables him to keep his platform

936
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: for all the marketing deals, right. I mean, it's much

937
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: different to be a current active player than a retired player.

938
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: Sony has deals with some of those mega corporations that

939
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: are include national advertising. You know, to be a current

940
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: player in his eighteen season and to be active on

941
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: game day, I think he's a much different level of

942
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: appeal for those companies to continue to employ him as

943
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: an endorser, right and to represent their brand. So that's

944
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: just me. You know, your salary might be one thing,

945
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: but you know there's a lot more to the FITS

946
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: revenue streams than just his seventeen paychecks, right that he

947
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 1: gets every year from the Cardinals. Yeah, until you figure

948
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 1: out that he's such a good businessman that he's going

949
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: to make more money off the field next year because

950
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: he's going to be in all these different projects and

951
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: he's going to be announcing this and doing this commercial

952
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: and stuff. So who knows what's more lucrative for him,

953
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean making five million is five million

954
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: more than he wouldn't be making if he didn't play.

955
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: But he has a lot of money, and maybe that's

956
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: the big driving for us. Maybe it's not, and maybe

957
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: he feels like I will only play for a certain amount.

958
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: Who knows how much the money has to do with it,

959
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I just feel like, if anybody

960
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: gives me five million dollars, I'll go play football. No

961
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: one's giving you five million dollars. You know, he'll he'll

962
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: just flip another Paradise Valley house for you know, three times, right,

963
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: He'll have more time just to flip houses, or you know,

964
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: buy more stakes and NBA franchises. If you saw the

965
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: Forbes team valuations the NBA, I'm sure Larry has made

966
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: a good twenty percent of that investment already. So you know,

967
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: all I know is Cliff Kingsbury told he looks straight

968
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: in the camera via the zoom presser and said, quote,

969
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: I don't know anything when asked about the future of

970
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: Lara Fitzgerald, and then proceeded to say I hope he

971
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: plays five more years, which I think he said every

972
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: single time it's ever been brought up. Yes, it does

973
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: make me wonder though, I will say this, and you

974
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: know I'm not I'm not. This isn't sweet smoth. I'm

975
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: not trying to be all sensational here, okay, or buck

976
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: for a job at TMZ. But if he was waiting

977
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: and he got his answer on the JJ, way, is

978
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: he waiting for something else? Dot dot dot? Is there

979
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: something thing else that might just unfold that might be

980
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: a mega headline that he's waiting to see? Will this transpire? Now?

981
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: Now I'm really in because guess what, the Arizona Cardinals

982
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: are able to make this move? I wonder if he

983
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: is waiting on something because everything else has to be

984
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: known at this point. Wait wait, wait, wait wait, everything

985
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: has to be known at this point. What's left except

986
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: maybe a roster maneuver? Okay, but wait a minute. Are

987
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: you saying are you bringing up something in particular, a

988
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: certain move, or you're just saying another big move? No,

989
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not. I'm not naming names. I'm not projecting.

990
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm just saying I feel like and can

991
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: we go to the tape here? I feel like you

992
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: said the exact same thing when we were talking about

993
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: fits like two weeks ago, and said maybe he's waiting

994
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: for a roster move, and then they just signed J. G. Watt,

995
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: so material again, that was waiting for another one, Like

996
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: you just gonna They're gonna keep signing guys. You're like,

997
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: maybe he's waiting for another one and until they have

998
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: like forty two sightings here. Well, Dearren, that's what I'm saying.

999
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: He's Michael Bidwell gave sort of a cryptic response on

1000
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: satellite radio about what potentially could happen over the next

1001
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: two weeks in the start of the league year, and

1002
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: so it does make me wonder and maybe Larry, you know,

1003
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 1: it's a catalyst like we threw out there earlier. Maybe

1004
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: Larry's continuing to work the cell phone and the contact

1005
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: list and who knows what sort of a superteam he

1006
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: might be trying to build at this point. He is

1007
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: going to play for the minimum missing Oh maybe he'll

1008
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: take a percentage of all these other guys contracts that

1009
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: he helps recruit. He's gonna be there agent, right, you

1010
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: know it some how. You know, he's got to wet

1011
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: his beak a little bit. You know, there's got to

1012
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: be something in there for him, right, you know, mafia

1013
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: Style's he's orchestrating this behind the scenes. This has definitely

1014
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: taken longer than I figured it would. I mean, now

1015
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: that we're in the March and there's still no decision,

1016
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: but it's certainly just opening up Paul kelvc for the

1017
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories talk and looking at all these different ways

1018
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: to dissect what Larry Fitzgerald's gonna do. I feel like

1019
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: he has a pretty good idea one way or the

1020
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: other at this point. And like he said on the

1021
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: press conference, maybe he's just not announcing it to make

1022
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: Steve Kind's sweat, to make Paul Calvisi sweat. He's probably

1023
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: just toying with everybody. And and like the day before

1024
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: free agency, he'll just put it out there of facts

1025
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: like Michael Jordan, I'm back or I'm retired, you know,

1026
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. Come on now, it's It's not like I'm

1027
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: sitting here with a fur hat with horns on it,

1028
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, and in breaching the capitol. Come on now,

1029
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know there there's there's there's legitimate reasoning

1030
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 1: behind rationale, behind what I'm trying to surmise here. Everything

1031
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: is known. You would think what is he waiting for?

1032
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: That's all. I don't know. Yeah, all right, but I

1033
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think like if they go sign

1034
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 1: a certain one player, I don't feel like that would

1035
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: tip the scales. I don't. I don't think. I think

1036
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: you either. I mean, you have the quarterback. You either

1037
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: believe that Kyler Murray and kind of this, this system,

1038
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: the way the team is tracking, has championship potential or

1039
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: you don't and they're there. I mean, they could add

1040
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: a big piece, but a number two wide receiver or

1041
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 1: a cornerback. Is that necessarily gonna like raise your expectations

1042
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: that much? Now, if they if they're able to sign

1043
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: three Pro bowlers and they absolutely go for broke for

1044
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: one season, then maybe that's more enticing. But like Darren

1045
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: talked about earlier, Steve Kime is the one worrying about

1046
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: not only this season, but the future too. So yeah,

1047
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: if it's up to Larry, they could just pile everything

1048
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 1: in this season and go for it, but you still

1049
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: have to think about the future. Okay, what would be

1050
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: the most intriguing name? And we're just spitballing here, but

1051
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: I have one in particular. Okay, let's say they somehow

1052
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: and I don't think he's gonna leave Tampa, but let's

1053
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: say they somehow signed Chris Godden. Oh oh, what about

1054
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: Alan Robinson? What about it? Right? Alan Robinson? I don't care,

1055
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: high brow wide receiver. Let's say this side. Okay, what's

1056
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: Larry gonna do? Okay, maybe they sign a guy that

1057
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 1: makes them better. But then he squeezed out, is he not? Okay?

1058
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: You guys are gonna make me say it. You're gonna

1059
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: make me say it. I didn't want to say it.

1060
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: And this is gonna bring Cardinals Underground to a screeching halt.

1061
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: But if we're in the trust tree right now and

1062
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: we're truly just quote spitballing, as Darren says, I know

1063
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: where you're going with this because I saw it on

1064
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: your face when you brought it up originally, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: what if a Texas guy I knew it goes to

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Speaker 1: the Texans? What if you used to do it? Because

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Speaker 1: how did we start this edition to Cardinals Underground? The

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Speaker 1: big things happen in threes? DeAndre Hopkins, JJ Watt and

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Speaker 1: you know who. When it comes to a certain quarterback

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Speaker 1: who currently plays for the Houston Texans but says they'll

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Speaker 1: never play again for the Houston Texans and if they're

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Speaker 1: forced to make a deal, what do they do for

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Speaker 1: a future quarterback? Then maybe trade for a Texas guy.

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Speaker 1: You made me say it. I'm not happy with myself.

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Speaker 1: I'm certainly not proud of myself. We don't want to

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Speaker 1: get in trouble either. Look, the bottom line is bottom

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Speaker 1: line is I just feel like I think we talked

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Speaker 1: about this before, and I think ultimately we're all on

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Speaker 1: the same page in this. I think I think Larry

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Speaker 1: is waiting because he can wait. It's the same reason.

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Speaker 1: It's the same reason that when you have a sit

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Speaker 1: down interview with Larry Fitzgerald, you're offering waiting another hour

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Speaker 1: or two what it kind of takes his time and

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Speaker 1: Mosey's over and when he finally gets there, he's like, Hey,

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Speaker 1: how are you guys doing? Oh, I didn't make you

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00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: wait too long? And you know, it's one of those things.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Larry has a good idea of

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Speaker 1: what he wants to do, and I do think what

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Speaker 1: could make a difference. But I think I also think,

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Speaker 1: quite frankly, that if he came back now, while JJ

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Speaker 1: Watt was an important part of it, because it shows something,

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Speaker 1: I think not being able to play in front of fans,

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00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: or not being able to play in his final game

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Speaker 1: would mean would make it more of an impact if

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Speaker 1: he came back than otherwise. And that's and that's all

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Speaker 1: I got to say about that. And you know what,

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Speaker 1: that's a great point, you know, if Larry's looking for

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Speaker 1: some value added advice from US Media Pencil. Next may

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Speaker 1: I just throw out there what Darren hinted at. But

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Speaker 1: once again, I guess I'm forced to say it. Hey, Larry,

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00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: is there any chance you could hold your media availability

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of the window. Okay, there's like an

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Speaker 1: hour that we're allowed in there, because what happens is

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Speaker 1: is the moment the locker room opens, we rush over

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00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: to your locker to get position. I'm sitting there trying

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Speaker 1: to box out Craig GRIOLIU and Cam from Channel twelve,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I got Richard's signs over here, and

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Speaker 1: I'm giving these, you know, these pointed elbows, and I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to hold my spot with my microphone. Meantime, we

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Speaker 1: wait the entirety of the media availability, and I miss

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Speaker 1: any interviews with anybody else's available in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: And they know it, and they're hanging out the locker

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Speaker 1: just smiling because they know nobody's willing to leave Larry's

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Speaker 1: locker and lose their spot. So, you know, going forward,

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Speaker 1: if we can make that slight adjustment, I think we'd

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Speaker 1: all appreciate that. At my wrong, Kyle. That's the joy

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Speaker 1: of being a writer where you can be talking to

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Speaker 1: somebody and then the minute Larry Fitzgerald starts talking, I

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Speaker 1: just siddle over, go on the side and stick the

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Speaker 1: recorder in. I can't really hear anything what's going on,

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Speaker 1: or any questions or responses because Larry Fitzgerald talks quietly.

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Speaker 1: But then you kind of hear every once in a

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Speaker 1: while a few words, and you play it back on

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Speaker 1: your recorder and you got your interview, and you also

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Speaker 1: talk to Jalen Thompson across the locker room for five minutes,

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Speaker 1: so it's it's a win win for writers. Well, if

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Speaker 1: Larry was listening to my whining right now, he'd say

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Speaker 1: two words champagne problems, yeah, and he'd be good. He

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Speaker 1: would be right. And I will end it right there

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Speaker 1: with some whining from Pauli Pensilvania on Cardinals Underground, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner of the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals.