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Speaker 1: As usual, in depths are Ashley's favorite thing to do

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Speaker 1: what we want to talk to Hi about. We want

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Speaker 1: to talk to him about their life post bachelor, what

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having us. We also want to talk about

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Speaker 1: in like two minutes. Wow. Yeah, siblings, parents like what

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Speaker 1: you're like in school, the shy kid, the popular kid. Sean,

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Speaker 1: I guess. I guess you could say I was the jock.

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Speaker 1: to Katherine before I go about your post grad life,

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Speaker 1: because I I remember wanting to talk about that because

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Speaker 1: Thanks Kavine. So mine was probably the opposite of Sean Low's.

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Speaker 1: I grew up in Seattle. I had two sisters. I

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Speaker 1: of it, the people who go on the show that

432
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 1: are convinced they're they're nuts. Absolutely, Sean, There's there's something

433
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,959
Speaker 1: else that I've all I've always wanted to bring up

434
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 1: to you. I think you changed the Bachelor in many ways. Uh,

435
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,959
Speaker 1: And I don't think there's one negative to how you

436
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: changed the Bachelor process. But there's one that I've always

437
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: that's always did to me. I remember watching your season

438
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: and there's this really controversial opening scene that really highlighted

439
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: who you were as a bachelor, and it was just

440
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: your abs and and you're right, this may have been

441
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: the turning point, the turning point, And like, this is

442
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: the biggest negative to me because now every single person

443
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: that comes on the show, their abs are highlighted, Like

444
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 1: every single dude has that shot. They never had that

445
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 1: shot with me. There's not one time in my whole

446
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 1: season that they did a slow mo from my feet

447
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: to my head, and if they did, nobody was like, oh,

448
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 1: holy cow shot. Watching that back as a man who

449
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: was a family man, who didn't go on this show

450
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 1: thinking that you know, you would find love, that kind

451
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: of thought, Hey, this could be fun and then you

452
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 1: have to watch a slow moo of your body being

453
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: highlighted on national television. How does that feel? It's embarrassing,

454
00:23:52,040 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: it is. I went on that show with this like happy,

455
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: go lucky, let's just have fun with that attitude. And

456
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: as you know, Ben, you've become friends with the producers,

457
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: and so the producers you're like, hey, let's get a

458
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: shot of you taking a shower? Yeah, sure, right on

459
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 1: ridiculous and over the top. And I wish if I

460
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: filmed it today, I probably would have said, yeah, can

461
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: we not do that? I can throw on a shirt.

462
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, I just went with it. It's like, yeah,

463
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: these are my buddies, it's gonna be harmless and fun.

464
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. It has changed the show forever.

465
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: I think that that shot has now been highlighted every

466
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: single time since then, other than one season and that

467
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: season twenty Um, Hey, before we get into life now,

468
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 1: because I know there's a lot of cool things going on, uh,

469
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: I would love to spend a second uh talking about now.

470
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: Advice coming as a as a couple that has known

471
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: that his love that has came from the show, What

472
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: advice do you have for your like for anybody listening

473
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: that's in a relationship to tries to make this work. Uh,

474
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: have you been do you have anything special to share? Well?

475
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: I think that the I think that the society really

476
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: um shines like a negative light on and like makes

477
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 1: it fun. Like I was watching Friends and their whole

478
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: show is about failed relationships because of things that don't matter. Right,

479
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: So like, oh, she talks too fast, You're like, oh,

480
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: never mind, I'm not going to marry that person. I

481
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: think that you take away the non negotiables and that's

482
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: if that's what you're left with, you can deal with

483
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: the other stuff. And I think a lot of people

484
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: are willing to give up something that could be great

485
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: for things that don't matter. Um. And I know that,

486
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, Sean and I are completely opposite people, and

487
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that he could say. He

488
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: could say about me, I don't want to be with

489
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: you because you're messy. Well, how ridiculous does that sound?

490
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: So like I'm not perfect? Why would I put those

491
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: expectations on a partner who could bring so much joy

492
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: and um, challenge into my life and grow me spiritually

493
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: and um, you know, just be that partner for you.

494
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: So I my advice would be kind of, I know

495
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: that you're not a perfect person, and don't put those

496
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: expectations on your partner. Solid advice. Uh As for me,

497
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: I would say, and I'm kind of echoing what she said,

498
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: but if you're gonna rely on on an emotion like

499
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in love with this person, that

500
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: will fail you because you're not gonna feel like you

501
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: love that person every day. Like marriage is hard, relationships

502
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: are hard, so you have to actively work and contribute

503
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: to the relationship. And I have to look at Catherine

504
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: and realize, like she has these needs over here that

505
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: she really wants me to feel as her husband, and

506
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 1: those don't come naturally to me, So I have to

507
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: step out of my comfort zone and do what makes

508
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: her happy. Um, And I think that's so important, but

509
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: so many times we get caught up in our emotions

510
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: and life is all about emotions. Well, I mean, you

511
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: cannot be married for fifty years and just just rely

512
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: on that feeling of love. And then she also spoke

513
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: on the spiritual component. I mean, for us, we know

514
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: that we have a God that loves us. We know

515
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 1: that we have a God that cares for us and

516
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: is guiding us and and that's our rocks. So for

517
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: those of you who maybe don't know that feeling, I

518
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: certainly encourage you to check it out. No offense to

519
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: Ben here. But Sean, why do you think you're the

520
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: only bachelor who ended up with the girl that he

521
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: chose in the end. No, no offense have been of course. Um.

522
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 1: I you know when people talk about the low success

523
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: rate of the bachelor, I always come back with intended

524
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: I think the success rate is crazy high, giving these

525
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: circuits you're grown into and then the expectation of making

526
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 1: it work post bachelor, and when you're being pulled in

527
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: a million different directions. Most likely you don't live in

528
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: the same city. You know, some person has to leave

529
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 1: their family and their job and their friends behind like

530
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: it is against you. It is so incredibly difficult. So

531
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: the fact that how many people are married four or

532
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: five whatever, there is more than that. And I gave

533
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: all the credits capturing because she was the person that

534
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: left all of that stuff behind and she's she's amazing.

535
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: I think I just got really lucky. No, I, well,

536
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: I disagree, But stuff that I'm saying, because the men

537
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: have a harder time, for multiple reasons, for fruit for

538
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: many Oh, yes, I agree with you on this. The

539
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: Bachelorrette success right makes way more sense to me. Yes. Yeah,

540
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: so I feel like if he's gonna give me credit,

541
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: I gotta give him credit because he could have easily said,

542
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: never mind, buy I'm out hot girl over here in

543
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: l A that you know, I don't know you that well,

544
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: Like we didn't know each other very well. He didn't

545
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: have to stay with me. Um. So again it's that

546
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: work hard for something that we know could be great. Um,

547
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: and we both we both did that. Just to backtrack

548
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: a little bit and get into that season. Sean, how

549
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: did the producers not exploit the fact that you were

550
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: a born again virgin? You know, honestly, they never asked me.

551
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: I never asked. They never asked one time. And yeah, yeah,

552
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: they knew I was a Christian, and they knew I

553
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: definitely had like grounded, firm beliefs, but they never once

554
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: asked me about it. I don't think it was until

555
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: after the show. Someone must have known I was a

556
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: Christian and asked me something related to sex, and I

557
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: answered it honestly, and then just that's all anyone could

558
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: talk about So yeah, I'm probably Colton probably has me

559
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: to blame for his whole season being focused on that,

560
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: because it's kind of annoying. It wasn't the time anyway. Oh,

561
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: I know, Um, and then Catherine, if you didn't think

562
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: that you were the one for so long during the filming,

563
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: who did you think he was going to pick? Oh?

564
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: Leslie Leslie? Because they are very similar and I want

565
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: to I'm Leslie and I are very close, and I

566
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: was kind of matching him up to who I thought, Um,

567
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: he would like blonde hot um nice has a really

568
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 1: good family upbringing, she likes sports, So I kind of

569
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: put them like together, like obviously they would make sense,

570
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: and so I had it. It's actually kind of embarrassing.

571
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: There's a there's a part where she leaves where he

572
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: asked her to leave, and everything about my um perspective

573
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: on this whole process was shattered. I was like, if

574
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't like her, how can you need because I

575
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: totally thought that they were a complete match. And Um,

576
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: once that happened, I thought, Okay, if she hadn't left,

577
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: I bet I would have ruled myself out and I

578
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: probably would have sabotaged sabotaged myself and not been for real.

579
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: And so we talked about Leslie and I talked about that, like,

580
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: if she didn't leave, I probably would not have been

581
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: the one. I don't know, are you giving her lots

582
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: of mommy advice? Now? I love her, and I mean,

583
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: if she asked me, I will absolutely give it to her.

584
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 1: But she's such a loving person. She has a wonderful family. Um,

585
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: so she knows I'm here for her. Yeah, we get

586
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: the nowhere on Winter Games and then less like she

587
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: came to han Duras with me a few years ago,

588
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: so I get to spend a whole week with her there.

589
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: She's an incredible human. Uh. Okay to close up this chapter, then, Sean, Uh,

590
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: why did you want to make it work with Catherine

591
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: with all the distractions going on around you? You're off

592
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: the Bachelor at this point. Uh. This is the secret

593
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: sauce that I think everybody wants to know and why

594
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 1: relationships sometimes don't work From this show? What made you

595
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: say no, I'm in this for the long haul? Oh man,

596
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: that's a big question. I would say one like me

597
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: falling in love with her on the show was very real. Yes,

598
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: there were a lot of things I didn't know about

599
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: her because you spent the limited amount of time together,

600
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: but the feeling of love was real. I knew there

601
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: was something very special about this woman, and I knew

602
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: that I just wanted that, needed that in my life forever.

603
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,959
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, it just came down to commitment at

604
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: the end, and I made a lot of dumb choices

605
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: that harmed our relationship, Dancing with the Stars being a

606
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: big one. You know, we just got engaged, We're finally

607
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: able to go out in public, and then I spend

608
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: every day, twelve hours a day dancing, Like just not

609
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: a smart decision, Um, but I just wanted to make

610
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: it work. And uh, like I said, I give her

611
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: most of the credit because she's been incredible throughout everything,

612
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: but just throughout the whole thing, we definitely had our share.

613
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: We had our share of us and downs in the beginning,

614
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: no doubt about it, as anyone will in those circumstances.

615
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: But no, I just I never wanted to let ago.

616
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: It was the I mean, it was one of the

617
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: big reasons that your relationship was one of the big

618
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: reasons I didn't do Dancing with the Stars, because you

619
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: talked about how difficult. It was now granted it still

620
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: didn't work out, but that's you know, it's still though.

621
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's unfair the woman. Yeah, Catherine was

622
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: so excited just to be public and uh, hold your hand,

623
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,479
Speaker 1: wanted to hold his hand. Yeah, because you're in hiding

624
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: for so long and finally we're in public and then

625
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: I just you know, I I'm gonna My defense is ignorance.

626
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was getting myself into. I

627
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: didn't know the time commitments. But uh yeah, looking back

628
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: at it, it was super unfair to her. Well, and

629
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: it's an exciting time, like it's a fun time, Like Sean,

630
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: you're getting opportunities throwing to you that you, you know,

631
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: a year before that would have never even imagined ever

632
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: having come your way. Well, yeah, that that was exactly

633
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: my mentality because I'm still thinking, just like on the Bachelor, hey,

634
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime opportunity. And I still see myself

635
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: as this guy that was working this job that sucks,

636
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: and then you have Dancing with the Stars say and hey,

637
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: come do something absolutely ridiculous and we'll pay you a

638
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: lot of money to do it. But I didn't really

639
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: consider her feelings or how it would all play up.

640
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: Were you telling him not to do it or did

641
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: you think it would be fine? Yeah? I think I

642
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: think I had my insecurities cut back in, like who's

643
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: your partner and you're spending how many hours with someone

644
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: that's like very attractive and you're doing sensual things like

645
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: what um? But I think again both of us were

646
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: naive to the fact that it took way more time

647
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: than um and what was proposed and dancing, and she

648
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: saw that there was nothing sensual about it. That was

649
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: another worry. Yeah, you guys, yet that's hilarious and that

650
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: was a concern. Well, hey, I think I speak on

651
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: behalf of all of Bachelor Nation and saying that we're

652
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,959
Speaker 1: glad you guys made it through. Your story is one

653
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: to be admired. Now we're gonna take a quick break.

654
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: When we come back, we want to talk about life now,

655
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: what you're up to, what you're doing, what the kids

656
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: are up to. Uh, we'll come back on the in

657
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: depth podcast with Sean and Katherine. So, would you guys

658
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: say that dancing with the stars that period of your

659
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: relationship was the most difficult. I think there was two

660
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: parts of it. It was that and then we got

661
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: over that hump and then literally right after the show

662
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 1: ended and we could be ourselves. It was amazing because

663
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: that's when our relationship really could start. We you know,

664
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: we watched Working Bad until two in the morning and

665
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: had Thai food and would wake up when everyone it

666
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 1: was awesome. That's exactly what we wanted, but it took

667
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: so long to get there. Um. And then the first

668
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: year of marriage was really really hard for us, just

669
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: there's so many factors that are that are thrown at us.

670
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: So I think those two were super challenging. So you

671
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: as were on wife Swap and marriage boot Camp early

672
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: on in your relationship. Now, I know by reading fan

673
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: comments that they love to think that those issues and

674
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: that are highlighted on those shows are real issues. But

675
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: those shows, in my opinion, are so produced and so

676
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: toxic to a relationship. Um, how do you guys think

677
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: back on those times and those decisions horribly? And Like

678
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: I always like to use that as the perfect example

679
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: when people ask me, like is the Bachelor real? Like

680
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: how manipulated are you on the Bachelor? I'm like, the

681
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: Bachelor is like the most authentic reality show there is,

682
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: because there are other reality shows like those two that

683
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: that just they're not real, They're just not they're just clownish. Well,

684
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: I think that they were hard for different reasons. I

685
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: think that Merge boot Camp would actually made us as

686
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: a cup stronger um and spiritually, because we were very

687
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: connected in that moment, like wow, it's us and then

688
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: it's like everybody else and then a wife swap. I mean,

689
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: it was just ridiculous. I don't I own his underwar.

690
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: I don't never if did anything like. I mean, it's

691
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: just ridiculous it was. But it was a challenge for

692
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: other reasons. If we're being honest, it was a money grab,

693
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: like of course, shoot this for a week and we'll

694
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: pay you a big check, like we'll want to do

695
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: with Jason and Molly, and we felt comfortable. But like

696
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: after those two because they were stacked right back to that,

697
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: after that, we're like, we are being more discerning. This

698
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: is not okay, Like this does not very healthy, like

699
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: healthy at all. I was in like I had a

700
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: very bad eating thing at Marriage boot Camp because I

701
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: was so stressed out constantly, Like I lost so much

702
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: weight because it just was and it was not so

703
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: bad and like we we ended up having friends from it,

704
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,959
Speaker 1: but like it was two weeks being in a being

705
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: completely uncomfortable. Um, Jared and I were sort of like

706
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: they were kind of asked us to do it last year.

707
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: It was never a firm offer, um, but they did

708
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: give us a number and we were just like, can

709
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: we respond to every fan that d M S S

710
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: or teats us about this show? Just I did it

711
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: for the money. We did it for the money. You

712
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: would have done it for the money, also for the

713
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 1: cast that you get. So like um Ran Tristan Ryan

714
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: did it and he had a wonderful cast, and those

715
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: people seemed more aligned with them the people that we

716
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: went on with it just it wasn't the same with us.

717
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: It just wasn't really relate to so it was it

718
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: was definitely more of a challenge for us. Is it

719
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: as much of a challenge as parenthood. No, No, there's

720
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: love and its like you can see the fruits of

721
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: your labor, like truly, you're you see this child since

722
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: trying to speak and was giving you a kiss and

723
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: waking up with I love you, momy, Like all of

724
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: this hard stuff is worth it with kids. Yeah, parenthood

725
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: is absolutely crazy and a lot of times you just

726
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: want to drive your car off the cliff, but at

727
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you kind of love the kids,

728
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: so it's it's all worth it. Sean, you did a

729
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: post on Instagram recently and it made me laugh because

730
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: it's something that Jared and I talk about all the time.

731
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: You said that you love you know, Ellie the dog

732
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 1: and your daughter equally, because that's how you should treat

733
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: your children. You spoke to Ashley what it spokes to

734
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: me because we really are confused how we're going to

735
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: love something more than our dog, and this happens apparently,

736
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: so I have Ellie and then we had a boxing

737
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: that we lost a few years ago. My dogs were

738
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: my life for so long and everyone said, as soon

739
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: as you have kids, your dog's gonna take a back seat. Yeah,

740
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: I thought my head, and you know what, and they

741
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: were all liars because it's not true. Ellie hasn't gonna

742
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: backseat for nobody good. I love that job and I

743
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: give her more affection now, just because I felt guilty

744
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: that I've brought three other animals. It's, uh, this is

745
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: this is the best So in your relationship, then, as parents,

746
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: who plays bad cop, who plays a good cup I'm

747
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: probably more bad cop. Yeah, I'll dish it out every

748
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: once in a while, but she's primarily I'm way stricter

749
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: and he It's what's funny is I think it was

750
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: like the second day in our engagement. Um, we're in

751
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: Thailand and we're with the producers and we're just trying

752
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: to be normal and talk about things like I wasn't

753
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: able to talk about wedding and marriage and kids until

754
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: I knew that he actually felt the same way about me.

755
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: Try to act but um, I think it's a second day.

756
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: And he said, you know that you're going to be

757
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: the disciplinarian, right And I thought one like I still

758
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: had that. Actually I still had that really weird like

759
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this guy is like looking at me

760
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: feeling he's telling me he's gonna be I'm gonna area

761
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: like id. I was like curved it a little bit,

762
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: like okay, But I knew I would be the disciplinarian

763
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: because he just kind of wanted to be the fun like, oh,

764
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: I want my kids to just like come up and

765
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: hug me and be so happy to see me and

766
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: all these things that I knew that I would have

767
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: to be the strict can and that's kind of how

768
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: it's gone for the most part, but he does his

769
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: his share. The parenthood has to be weird. I mean,

770
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: I can't imagine the life Like the season of life

771
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: that you guys have been in the last two years

772
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: is something that I don't know if anybody can relate with.

773
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: How much of The Bachelor still influences your life today?

774
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: A lot? Well, I would say, I would only say

775
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: a lot because The Bachelor kind of evolved into this

776
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: weird Instagram world we're into, which we're still very active

777
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: doing that stuff, and so the people that watched us

778
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: on TV eight years ago, we're still kind of following

779
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 1: along with our lives today Instagram. So I'd say a lot. Yeah,

780
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: and we love I mean, we love that, and you

781
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: guys both know you guys love of but I'm like,

782
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: you can see how people really want to support you,

783
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: and so we've been blessed with the most amazing, supportive, motivating,

784
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: genuinely loving um people that witness us. And we also

785
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: have some level of discernment there too. What do we

786
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: want to share? What seems like something that would not

787
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: be okay to share for all these reasons because we

788
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: respect them, and it's been genuine obviously, like everything that

789
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: we do, um, has been very authentic to us. And

790
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: but some obviously outliers like those shows. Uh, what can

791
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: you talk to me about like the first year of

792
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: parenthood and how that is a strain on a couple's marriage.

793
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 1: I think it brought us closer or did it bring

794
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: you closer? Okay, because I experienced two different things based

795
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: on two different couples. Whenever I asked my parents, they're like,

796
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: it was the best year of our marriage. Yeah, I

797
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: think it brought us closer. When it was just the

798
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: two of us in a house, both working from home,

799
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: she focused all her energy on me, good or bad,

800
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: so Samuel into the picture. I don't know. It was

801
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: really cool to witness her as a mom and see

802
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: all this love that she that she showed me. She

803
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: shows even more so to our children, and I love

804
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: to witness that as as her husband and as their father.

805
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, I don't think it was all that hard.

806
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: So I think pretty well, and we like to we're

807
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: not type A people at all, and I think that

808
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: the type of people might have had a harder time

809
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: because you bring your experiences into parenthood and you bring

810
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: your traditions in the way that you Like I wanted

811
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: to do cloth tapers and he was like what is

812
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: Like why would you do that? And like why would

813
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: you do that? You wouldn't. So anyway, there's there are

814
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: lots of things that you can bring in that could

815
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: hurt UM if you're degrading others like oh why would

816
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: you You're like continually saying, well, I wouldn't do it

817
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: like that. But for us, we didn't really have like

818
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: a specific way we wanted to do everything and routine

819
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: all the stuff. We were really experiencing it together, which

820
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: was super exciting, and we were we didn't know what

821
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: we were doing, and so it was really exciting for

822
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: us to to go through everything and we felt everything

823
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: and we were present and we said like this sucks together,

824
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: but we were saying this is great together. So I

825
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: think it was just a really fun time for us

826
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: and it's still continued to be because we are best friends.

827
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: We worked really well together um, and we were just

828
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: great partners. I think, yeah, that's something else. You're a

829
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: great team at great partners at is your nutral system plan?

830
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about about the

831
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: eating plan? That you guys have. Yeah, So I feel

832
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: like for the last four years, five years, really, I've

833
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,479
Speaker 1: been pregnant and had babies. Like it's just been a

834
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: NonStop cycle of I'm I'm now done breastfeeding. Oh, I'm

835
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: pregnant again. Like it's just a constant so like my

836
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: body has gone through it. And after like seven months

837
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: of having a baby, like Mia, the last baby, it

838
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: was just like I'm too comfortable and quarantine and all

839
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: these things. I'm like, I need to lose my weight

840
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: so that I could feel confident, I could be more

841
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: present with my kids and not have the insecurities that

842
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: I do. So like Neutra System has this really good plan.

843
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: It's a partner plan that Sean Shan's always been a

844
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: really good partner to me and with eating, with working out,

845
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: with parenting everything. So it felt super natural to have

846
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: him be my accountability partner in my Neuture system plan

847
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: because he knew that I wasn't feeling comfortable. So I

848
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: lost I lost six pounds with literally doing nothing for

849
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: the last month of just eating Neutral System and feeling

850
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: really good about their meals and because my issue is

851
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: forgetting to eat and then gorging and like because I

852
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: want to make a meal and I want to make

853
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: a big thing about it, but I don't have the time.

854
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: So it's super super easy for me to just go

855
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: and grab a nutral system like meal or shake or

856
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: snack and have my metabolism not go down the crapper.

857
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Speaker 1: So it's been it's been a really really good meal

858
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Speaker 1: plan for me because of the life stage that I'm

859
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: in and having a partner that's wanting to um do

860
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: it with me and we just talk about the meals together.

861
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: It's really fun because I'm like, oh, what did you like?

862
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: I'll order it for you again. And it's something to

863
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: where I don't feel alone in it and I'm a

864
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: I'm a dude who doesn't like cooking, so it's really

865
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: easy to And it's also nice because like as a girl,

866
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: like I don't know if if Sean's like this, Katherine,

867
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: but I'll be like Jared, what's going for dinner to

868
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: be like, I don't care, I'm going with anything. I'm like,

869
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: all right, you think there's something specific that you're craving,

870
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: whatever you want, it's like, okay, so just just to

871
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: get in the microwave you you deal. Yeah, Neutral systems great.

872
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: I gained like twenty pounds during the first few months

873
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,479
Speaker 1: of COVID and finally I just reached a point It's like, okay,

874
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: I better, I better buckle down here. So I gotta

875
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: sweet tooth too. They've got a ton of desserts that

876
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: are great, low calories. It's just an easy way to

877
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: to you know, eat healthy well. You guys are obviously

878
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: great accountability partners to each other in and life and

879
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: parenthood when it comes to dieting and exercise. Uh. To

880
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: close out this this whole thing, Ashley always has a

881
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: really fun game that she plays with our guests. But

882
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: before we do, I like to do two things with you.

883
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: One is ask you one final question and then give

884
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: you the stage for a second. Um. But my last

885
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 1: final question for you, is there anybody out there listening

886
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: who doesn't get the following on Instagram? Can you just

887
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: take a few minutes here and explain your kids to

888
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: the listeners one by one? Oh man, Yeah, we're doing

889
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: this together. Is that as a joint venture? I'd say

890
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: a joint venture. I know you guys are busy. I

891
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of time left, so I

892
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: want to make sure that we get this in okay.

893
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: So Samuel is extremely intelligent. He's very sensitive. He is

894
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: beyond obsessed with animals from day one. He's only cared

895
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: about animals. And not like in a in like a

896
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 1: fun like silly way. It's like a very focused um.

897
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: He reads an encyclopedia of animals every single time. That's

898
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: his that's what he wants to do. Like we're like, okay,

899
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 1: it's quiet time. He sits in his room and lines

900
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: up his animals and says, this is like the sea.

901
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: And so then he reads and he's like, this animal

902
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: does this, he eats this, he does he's not the

903
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: same as this. So he is very intentional on his animals.

904
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: And it's been a really really cool thing because he

905
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: challenges us on that, like he knows that sometimes we

906
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: get it wrong. Obsessed with Samuel, super sensitive, so loving,

907
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: so friendly, he's never met a stranger. He crawls in

908
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: bed with us every morning around for him. Yeah, you

909
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: don't even realize he's in it until you roll over

910
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: and you roll into him. But he's just the sweetest kid.

911
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: He always says, Daddy, you're the best daddy. I love you, daddy,

912
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: Like just a very very sweet uh mild mannered kid,

913
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: which is awesome. Yeah, he's very sweet. Isaiah is more

914
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: of a brute. He doesn't speak so much, but he's

915
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: really really trying. I would say that sometimes I and

916
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: sometimes I post this on Instagram where Samuel has this

917
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: wealth of knowledge about things and he loves to share

918
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: it with us. And so there's Samuel saying, like you

919
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: a placephalist. There's a type of giant store cephalist. And

920
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: then isaiahs around here like this like he's like so

921
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: proud something ridiculous and not not impressive whatsoever, but he's

922
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: so proud of himself. Uh. He's so sweet. He's so

923
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: happy all the time. Yeah, you wake wake him up

924
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: from a nap. A lot of kids will go crazy

925
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: when you wake him up. Always happy, always smiling, always

926
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: kissing her. He's very pink and very gentle with her,

927
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: although he'll like run into something and hit his head

928
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: and laugh about it like that's amazing. It's very like

929
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: um a very dichotomous relationship with himself, like just I'm

930
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: gonna go run into something in the wall, laugh about it,

931
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: and then go really sweetly and kindly terminable history kiss her. Um.

932
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: He wants to do everything his big brother does. Um.

933
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: And his favorite food is sup, which makes no sense

934
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 1: whose favorite he wanted? And then Mia. Mia is such

935
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: a wonderful baby. She is so happy. She's around chaos,

936
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 1: consoling because her two older brothers are acting like two

937
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: taller boys. Um. She is she. I think she's going

938
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: to be very decisive. She's very particular. She'll tell you

939
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: what she likes and what she doesn't like, which is

940
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: very different from the boys at that age. Loves her daddy.

941
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: She's definitely gonna say daddy first. Um. And yeah, she's

942
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: she's up for anything. She has gone a long time

943
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: without having naps and having the right schedule because her

944
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: brothers and all the things that we do interrupt her.

945
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: But she's always happy and we cannot wait to see

946
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: what type of person she grows. And she'll be tough, um,

947
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: but she will be loved. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. Well, hey,

948
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing all of this. Ashley has thirty

949
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: seconds of rapid fire. I have one final close out

950
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: for you guys. We have one minute left. Ashley, take

951
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: it away. Okay, you talk about how I scream determines

952
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: a person's personality. What is your favorite ice creams and

953
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: what does that mean about you? It means he's kind

954
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: of just like a guy's guy. In my research, I

955
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: see this, yes, Um, and mine is I love the

956
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: an ice cream like. It sounds lame, but I really

957
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: don't like ice cream unless it's vegan. Um, you're from Seattle, yeah,

958
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: or it means you don't want to have some digestive

959
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: issues afterwards. As I get older, I can't handle ice

960
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: cream anymore. He's ridiculous. Okay, next question, Um, going off

961
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: of that, has there ever been a tweet or something

962
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: that Sean has put out about your family where he's

963
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: very sarcastic about it that you actually were like that

964
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: cross the line. I think there was one that I

965
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: was like, you need to take that down. I can't

966
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: remember what it was, but he usually if it's like

967
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: skirting a line, he'll check with me first it's okay,

968
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 1: and I'll usually say, yeah, that's dumb, but whatever. Um.

969
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: But he gets so much like praise for his tweets

970
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: in his Instagram. I kind of like to deflate his

971
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: a while. Now, why have you been off Twitter? Because

972
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: it's toxic and it's absolutely depressing getting on there and

973
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: just reading people yelling at each other. I was over it.

974
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: I would like to get back on just to tell

975
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: my little dad joke. But maybe I need to be

976
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: one of those weird people that don't follow anyone just

977
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: because I don't want to read the BS. Yeah, write

978
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: my little jokes. I was looking through Twitter, your Twitter

979
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: last night to you know, do this interview. I was like,

980
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: I have been without Shawn tweets, Shawn load tweets since June,

981
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: and I hadn't real psent time that bad. You didn't

982
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: even notice, so you're okay. Last question is what is

983
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: your favorite piece of furniture from your wayfair line. Oh gosh,

984
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: there's so many. Well, the o G is our pit,

985
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: the Chelsea, but I like the Vada that's mine. I

986
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: like the Data. Yeah, I would have to say the

987
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: Chelsea sectional, which we've deemed the pit. It's just it's huge,

988
00:53:58,400 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: just like eight ft by eight feet, and it was

989
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: out of the piece that launched our business, and uh,

990
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, four years later, we're so proud of what

991
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: we've built. So it's kind of cool to look back.

992
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: It started with that one piece and now we've we've

993
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: got an entire collection. But if you like to nap.

994
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: The looks is like the absolute Yeah, they're all big, oversized,

995
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: super comfy. Check them out. They're really nice. I was

996
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: looking at the collection last night. Well, hey, Katherine and Sean,

997
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: we know you're busy. We know you gotta go. Um

998
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: final thing to close out a five second message to

999
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: anybody listening of encouragement that you guys want to pass

1000
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: on to any listeners. Yeah, oh man, I'm starting. I

1001
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: always say, oh gosh, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna start preaching.

1002
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: James four fourteen says life is but a vapor. This

1003
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: crazy world we live in will be gone in a

1004
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: blink of an eye. Your life is not that long

1005
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: in terms of eternity, so let's start looking at things

1006
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: from an eternal perspective. Love your neighbor, that's that's going.

1007
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: I feel like just I think people don't know how

1008
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 1: love they are and how capable they are of doing things.

1009
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: So if you're scared about doing something or you feel alone,

1010
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: just know that you're loved and you're capable. Guys are great. Hey,

1011
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: follow along with Ashley and I. This has been Seawan

1012
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: and Katherine on the In Depth podcast. We appreciate him

1013
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: a lot. We celebrate them as a family. Follow along

1014
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: with my league guys. Okay, you'll get it. It's easy

1015
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: with that. I've been been, I've been Ashley first. Catherine, Yeah,

1016
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: that's great. Follow the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous

1017
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: podcasts on I Heart Radio or subscribe wherever you listen

1018
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: to podcasts.