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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of My

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Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryan over there,

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Speaker 1: and there's guest producer and Loll Loll today and this

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Speaker 1: is Stuff you should Know. I over enunciated Lowell's name

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Speaker 1: because I didn't want you to perk up and be

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Speaker 1: like Noel. I wanted the people who who get perked

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Speaker 1: up by Lowell to perk up. That's right, which is

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Speaker 1: to say the whole world. And you know, I think

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Speaker 1: about it. I think Lowe has said in once before. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and did we record two episodes? I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: Lowell even got a shout out at a live show,

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Speaker 1: that's right, So we have released an episode with Lowell.

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Speaker 1: So this isn't as far as everyone is concerned. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a I don't know if we ever told Lowell,

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Speaker 1: but yes, he got a shout out. Did we ever

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Speaker 1: tell you that lot? No, he's not answering. He knows

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Speaker 1: what he's doing. Look at my thumb here and you'll

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Speaker 1: notice that the double band aid I uh cut pretty

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Speaker 1: deep into the tip of my thumb, slicing a bagel

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Speaker 1: with the brand new sharp serrated knife. And uh, it's amazing,

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Speaker 1: how like how much not having the use of a

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Speaker 1: thumb takes out of your life? Yes, man, it's I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe just because it really hurts, so I'm

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Speaker 1: not using it, but everything from like unbuttoning my pants,

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Speaker 1: two buttoning your pants, buttoning my pants. I'm like, man,

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Speaker 1: I usually just pop it off with my left thumb um.

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Speaker 1: But there's so many things that I'm not able to

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Speaker 1: do or have a struggle to do. And trust me,

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Speaker 1: I'm not complaining generally about this is an affliction in life,

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Speaker 1: but just to point out, like the deal with like

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Speaker 1: just one thumb, you really got to rethink some things. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's crazy because you hear those things like you know,

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Speaker 1: you you can't really walk if you're missing your peaky

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Speaker 1: toe or your big toe or something like that. It's like,

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Speaker 1: try me. That sounds like a wager to me. But

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Speaker 1: when you when you injure yourself like that, you really

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Speaker 1: find out just how true that kind of thing is,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and especially of course texting has been maddening. Yes,

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Speaker 1: to try in one thumb text you need to just

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Speaker 1: now is the time to start using Sirie to text. Well,

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Speaker 1: I have I don't use Siri, but whatever, the the

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Speaker 1: little microphone button when I voice to text or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Sure it works pretty good. Yeah, but you can do

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Speaker 1: like you can just say series send a text. I

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Speaker 1: haven't tried this myself, but you just say the text

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Speaker 1: voice recording. Oh no, no, no it when I say

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Speaker 1: voice to text, I mean I say it out loud

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Speaker 1: and it makes it good to text. And you're using

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Speaker 1: something other and Siri. Huh, Well I just hit the

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Speaker 1: little microphone button. Huh. I gotta try that because I

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Speaker 1: know the microphone button. Then you're speaking of well, there's two.

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Speaker 1: There's one that where you're talking about where you can

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Speaker 1: record a message. Uh, and then there's one when you

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Speaker 1: go to type in the very bottom. Oh no, did

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Speaker 1: you hear that? Sorry? Oh this is so boring, everybody.

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Thumbs down. No, you can, but the

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Speaker 1: it's incomplete, so chuck. Um. We're talking about safe cracking

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Speaker 1: obviously today obviously, and there have been some really great

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Speaker 1: safe cracking movies, movies that featured safe cracking. What's your favorite?

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Speaker 1: Die Hard is as far as safe cracking goes. That

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Speaker 1: had its own subplot, but that's not my favorite safe

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Speaker 1: cracking movie. Favorite safe cracking movie is bad, Sannah. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so you know what's funny. When I was looking over

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Speaker 1: this list, I got to die Hard and I was like,

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Speaker 1: Really it's its own thing, and no, it's I think

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Speaker 1: because it's a vault. It temporarily tripped me up because

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Speaker 1: a large safe. And then I felt like a dumb dumb. No,

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Speaker 1: don't you can feel like a dumb dumb for cutting

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Speaker 1: your own thumb off. Man, it was bad. But other

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Speaker 1: because she's been obsessed lately with I've been telling her

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Speaker 1: movies I think. Uh. I mean, I'm a big fan

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Speaker 1: It's a great movie. I don't recall the safe cracking

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Speaker 1: this and uh slight spoiler. But I thought it was

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Speaker 1: it as part of the I think it's it's been

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Speaker 1: a while, but I think it's part of disabling security.

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Speaker 1: So they did the whole thing underwater, which was really

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Speaker 1: a twist I had not seen before. That's neat. I

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Speaker 1: remember it being good. It was great. Okay, so that's

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Speaker 1: Sexy Beast and Bad Santa and with die Hard is

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Speaker 1: with a sledgehammer at least the one scene that we

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Speaker 1: I don't remember Sexy Beasts. But normally, in like a movie,

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Speaker 1: that expands greatly. But there's still just crumbs among humanity

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Speaker 1: But that's kind of the range that safe cracking takes up,

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Speaker 1: Edgar Winner. Okay, I also was reminded when you were

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Speaker 1: saw The Lie Me. Oh that's right, great movie. It

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Speaker 1: was great man. Yeah, you were absolutely right. It was

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Speaker 1: a very good movie. Yeah. I had a feeling you'd

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch that one next. I promise I'm not

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Speaker 1: I know you won't. I don't think you ever have

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Speaker 1: throw a few year away. Nah, surely I have. I

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Speaker 1: Hunter is great. Yeah. See, some people might say it wasn't,

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Speaker 1: it's graphic and disturbing. Well, this is what I proposed, Charles. Okay,

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Speaker 1: to save cracking with guns blazing. Alright, very controversial. Let's

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Speaker 1: do it all right? You ready? So I was taking

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Speaker 1: a poop this morning. Yes, I'm ready. And the first

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Speaker 1: stuff works article, they talk about, and it makes a

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Speaker 1: it without knowing the combination, right Like, it has to

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Speaker 1: be accessible to anybody who who needs to get into it,

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Speaker 1: which in some of those anybody's can be burglars. So

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Speaker 1: might be some guy sitting at your in your house

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Speaker 1: really good safe, he's either going to give up or

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Speaker 1: spend enough time there that he gets caught. Um And

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Speaker 1: either way, your stuff should be protected. That seems to

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Speaker 1: be what they're after when they make safe. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you know what I did yesterday while I was researching this,

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Speaker 1: did you buy a safe? Safe? It's something that had

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Speaker 1: me put imported documents or irreplaceable things in here. They're

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Speaker 1: from like flood and fire is a general idea. Then

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Speaker 1: there are burglary safes, which don't keep your stuff safe

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Speaker 1: I got the fire safe, but what they don't make

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Speaker 1: out there that they'll they'll all share information, but you

426
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: can tell, and I've figured this out in the research too,

427
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff they're not they're not sharing.

428
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: It's really tough to go figure out how to crack

429
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,239
Speaker 1: a safe just um, you know, without becoming part of

430
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: like the inner circle of safe crackers. From what I

431
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: can tell been with the information that's out there, and

432
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot of information out there, it's just there's

433
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 1: not a lot of it that's complete from what I

434
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: can tell. Well, before we jump into lock manipulation, which

435
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: is uh, the one that Harry Miller had perfected. Uh,

436
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: we'll go sort of with the dumb dumb methods. When

437
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: you get your safe, it's gonna have it's it's called

438
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: a tryout combination, or basically the default combination that it

439
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,239
Speaker 1: comes with. And a lot of people don't reset this,

440
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: even though they tell you really need to reset your combination,

441
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 1: some people just don't do it. And uh, they are

442
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: known combinations. So the first thing a safe cracker will

443
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,479
Speaker 1: try is that default combination, because you never know, you

444
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: might have a fifty shot of that thing opening up

445
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: without anything other than just twisting the old dial right exactly. UM.

446
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: And you know, since so many of them are like

447
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: industry standards, they'll just use you know, they'll try a

448
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: few of them, maybe spend a couple of minutes just

449
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: giving it a shot, and if it happens, awesome, there's

450
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: all so something called daylocking, which is if you have

451
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: a safe and you dial in the combination of the safe, um,

452
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: you can turn the lever and open the safe. You

453
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: can also close the safe and close the lever without

454
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: changing the combo again, so it's technically unlocked. You just

455
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: have to open the lever to open the safe, and

456
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: apparently a lot of people just kind of leave their

457
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: safes that way. And if you're a burglar, step one,

458
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: even before you try some of those industry standards combinations

459
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: try out combinations, is yeah, try the lever. Just try

460
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: that first, Yeah, because I guess you don't want to

461
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: spin the thing at all, because that would reset it

462
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: right exactly. Uh. The other thing you can do is

463
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: just look at the safe and see if there's a

464
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: sticky note on it with the safe combination, because there

465
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: are plenty of dumb dumbs who do that as well.

466
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: I love that one too, or screwed scribbled on the

467
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 1: wall nearby or something like that. Yeah, there's even if

468
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 1: you went to the trouble of hiding it, it's probably

469
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: in the same room as the safe, and it's probably

470
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: on some little scrap of paper that you tried to

471
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: make look as innocent as possible. But to to cab

472
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: burglar a safe cracker, they're they're going to be able

473
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: to say this is the combination to the safe. Thank

474
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 1: you chump. Yeah, like it says, um, you know, they

475
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: just scrambled the word safe and it says off say combination. Right,

476
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: they use pig land. That'll that'll trick them. So we're

477
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: at the point where we're at lock manipulation. And uh yeah,

478
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: this is the process of opening a safe without drilling it,

479
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: without defacing it. This requires you too. This is what

480
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: you see in the movies. But it doesn't go down

481
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: like you see in the movies because it takes a

482
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: lot longer than it does in the movies. Even Harry Miller,

483
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: the most genius safe cracker of all time, apparently, uh

484
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: it took him like twenty minutes. So in a movie,

485
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: you don't have that kind of time. You got they

486
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: do that thing in like thirty seconds, right they do.

487
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: And and so when you see like, um, someone in

488
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: a movie um using like a stethoscope, that's actually kind

489
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: of accurate. That's not far off at least um so

490
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: that that's not entirely made up or anything like that.

491
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: But it takes way longer, Like you're saying. The reason

492
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: why it takes way longer because you're actually graphing the

493
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: these different attempts. You're making over say all hundred numbers

494
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: of the dial. You're doing them two to three numbers

495
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: at a time, and you're going through this procedure um

496
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: back and forth to kind of find where possibly the

497
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: um those slots and the wheels line up for each

498
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: each number. And because this takes so many attempts, say

499
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: so say just real quick, say there's like four wheels

500
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: in a lock um. That means that for every single

501
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: one of those wheels, while you're trying to figure out

502
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: the number over a hundred numbers, you're doing them in

503
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: increments of two, right, And for each one of those

504
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: increments of two, you're graphing down where you think the

505
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: lever is, and this takes a tremendous amount of time.

506
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: After you graph it, you have to go back and

507
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: look to see where these dips are, where it seems

508
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: like the levers are, and then you start to narrow

509
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: down where the number might be for each of those wheels.

510
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: And then when you finally have it narrowed down, you

511
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: have it at four different numbers that you're pretty sure

512
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: the numbers of the combination. You still don't know what

513
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: order they go in, so you have to try every

514
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: single combination of those four numbers left and right until

515
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: you finally hit the one that opens the safe. That

516
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: is the the standard, that's the one that Harry Miller

517
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: came up with. That's the highest level of safe cracking.

518
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: UM and even that takes a tremendous amount of time.

519
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: To be able to do that in twenty minutes is

520
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: mind boggling. Yeah, I mean, I think you hit it

521
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: on the head and that what you're doing is is

522
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: narrowing it down because while you are listening for clicks,

523
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: just like in the movies, it's not like you turn

524
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: something and you hear a click and you're like, well

525
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: that's the number. Let me go back left click, Well

526
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: there's the other one. Because like anybody could do that

527
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: that that's super easy. And I can't believe that, like

528
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: the movie going public has been buying it for this

529
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: long the solid to you know, Yeah, it's kind of

530
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: like that thing where um or like they don't have

531
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: to reload the gun um because you know, no one

532
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: wants to see him reload the gun. And I actually

533
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: saw that there was a a um A focus group

534
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: done in like the eighties or something at the heyday

535
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: of like Schwarzenegrance Stallone and the movie studios wanted to

536
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: know if people wanted to see that. They were like,

537
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: do you want realistic where they stop and reload, or

538
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: do you want them to just shoot a million bullets

539
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: in a scene? And overwhelmingly people were responded with a

540
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: million bullets in a scene. Police, that's what we want

541
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: to see. I generally don't care, but when whenever there's

542
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: a wee gun revolver, I still find myself counting and

543
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: I try not to and it doesn't like, it doesn't

544
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: tick me off, and like that's not possible. But I'm

545
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: always kinda like six eight Okay, all right, here we go.

546
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: I thought you I thought you were talking about that

547
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: wheelgun they had in Predator that Jesse Ventura had, Remember

548
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: that one? Was it a Gatlin gun? Yeah? That was amazing. No,

549
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: I just mean a standard revolver. They're called wheel gun.

550
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying, Like this, this Stallone movie

551
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: is just completely unbelievable. Exactly. That was the only thing.

552
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: But so it's the same thing. My point was, I'm sorry,

553
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: we got kind of far away from My point was

554
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: that is a kind of boiled down, simplified version of

555
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: what they're doing, but rather than just hearing the click safe,

556
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: you just have to find four clicks for each for

557
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: this four number combination, and then you're in the safe.

558
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: You have to go over this hundreds of times to

559
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: go over a graph and then go back and narrow

560
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: it down X number of times depending on how many

561
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: numbers there are in the combination. You have to try

562
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: every combination of those numbers. So it's like a boiled

563
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: down version of that. It's not entirely made up, but

564
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: it's pretty far off from reality. Yeah, I mean it's

565
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: the movie version. I think. What would be fun to see,

566
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: and I'm surprised no one's done this yet, is for

567
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: someone to kind of, uh, what's a nice way to say,

568
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: take the piss um, take the piss. I believe, to

569
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: take the piss out of a scene like that and

570
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: have a non safe cracker be like here's you know,

571
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: here's your stethoscope. It'll take like a minute, right, and

572
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: for the person to say like, no, you gotta graph

573
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: this stuff out and you gotta narrow it down, like

574
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: you've seen too many movies that kind of right, exactly

575
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: pretty creepy. I don't know, I'm waiting for it to

576
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: We need uh one of the Zucker brothers to make

577
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: it for us. Oh man, I miss those fans. So um.

578
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: So that's lock manipulation. That is the the pinnacle of

579
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: safe cracking, because whether you're a safe tech mission or

580
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: a cat burglar um, you have basically left no trace.

581
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: It's like you just came in and figured out through

582
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: sight and sound, um, in precise detail, what the combination

583
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: of that safe was, and then you opened the safe.

584
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: You didn't beat it up, you didn't do anything. Um,

585
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: you are even the cops consider you a master criminal

586
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: in one of basically a dying or dead breed. Um.

587
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: That is a very very small number of people, not

588
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: just alive today but in the history of crime who've

589
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: done that. Most people have looked at a safe and

590
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: been like, let me just blow that open. Yeah. And

591
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: I also thought lock manipulation before I read what that meant.

592
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: I thought that might have been like emotional manipulation, Like

593
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: you go to the lock and you're like, you probably

594
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: can't even unlock yourself, can you that kind of yeah,

595
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: Oh you're clad in that, yeah, and then the yeah

596
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: with the sad face. So safe manipulation is well hold on,

597
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: Should we take another break? Should we? I'm calling for

598
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: the bra today, baby, All right, let's do it, all right?

599
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: Safe manipulation, We're back, everybody. Oh yeah. Safe manipulation is

600
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: sort of the the guerilla method to the technicians method

601
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: that we mentioned before. And there are many ways to

602
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: manipulate a safe, uh, And we'll get to some of

603
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: the louder bang bang types in a minute. But drilling

604
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: is the kind you see a lot in movies, and

605
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: it's a really common way to get into a safe

606
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: in a movie. You're generally working against a clock or something.

607
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: But I don't think we pointed out a lot of

608
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: times you will just try and steal the safe and

609
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: bring it back to your you know, your villain's warehouse

610
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: to do all the work there your layer, Yeah, where

611
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 1: you've got all the time in the world to drill

612
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: into that thing. Um. But that's generally what you're doing.

613
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: You're drilling, uh. And you've got a serious drill because

614
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: they do make them very tough to get into. So

615
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: you've either got like a diamond bit or something to

616
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: try and drill through what's usually a cobalt plate that

617
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: is designed to keep you from drilling into it or

618
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: at least slow it down. Yeah. Right, So, like if

619
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: you use a regular you know, metal drill bit for

620
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: for drilling into metal, that that cobalt plate will just

621
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: eat those things up, like you'll just never get through them.

622
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: But if you have diamond tip or tungsten carbide is

623
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: another preferable tip um when you're drilling through it, if

624
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: you're if you have enough time and enough um drills,

625
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: because apparently the drill bits will outlast the drills when

626
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: you're using them like this um, you will eventually punch

627
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: through that that cobalt plate. UM and drilling is a

628
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: is a pretty I think drilling is actually the most

629
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: widespread method of breaking into safes, whether you're a safe

630
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: technician or a burglar um because it's it's it's precise,

631
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: but at the same time, it doesn't require anywhere near

632
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: the skills of um lock manipulation. Yeah, and when you're drilling,

633
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: there's a few different ways or places you can drill

634
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: the you know what. A common one and a pretty

635
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: obvious one is to go right through that combination lock itself,

636
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: right through the face of the lock. Uh, that's a

637
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: pretty easy way to do it. But that's where that

638
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: cobalt plate is. So you can also avoid that thing.

639
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: And you can drill in above it and an angle

640
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: and dodge the plate. I guess you know you've done

641
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: your research. If you're a safe cracker, you know how

642
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: big that plate is. Probably yeah, So you go in

643
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: at an angle from the top, let's say, or I

644
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: guess the bottom, and then you put in a fibroc

645
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: to UH fiber optic camera called a boroscope. And you

646
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: can just get these at a hardware store, any kind

647
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: of specialty equipment. Sometimes they'll use like medical devices like

648
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: that they stick in your bottom, they'll use those two. Okay,

649
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: I've just seen it out there. There's a guy who's

650
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: actually a master safe Cracker UM who has what are

651
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: called penetration parties unfortunately named penetration parties. His name is

652
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: Dave mccomi, and I believe he is the founder or

653
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: at least the guy who's running the show at the

654
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: National Safe Cracker International Safe Cracker support for him UM

655
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: and he and UH at least one of these these

656
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: UM he creates like a newsletter for the industry, like

657
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: for real and in the bottom he's got he sells

658
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: two scope kids with light source and cases for fifty

659
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: dollars and their medical grade arthroscopes. So I mean, yes,

660
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: at least some pros use the medical stuff. I'm sure

661
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: they haven't been in anyone's but although if they have been,

662
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: I'll bet you can get them for a deep discount.

663
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: So he has held penetration parties and it has a

664
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: drill bit newsletter called just the Tip, Chuck, you have

665
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: been on fire my man in que four. All right.

666
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: So what you're doing though when you insert that camera

667
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: is once you have drilled in from above it at

668
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: an angle, you put in the camera and then you

669
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: can just see the whole mechanism from inside there and

670
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: just line everything. Yeah yeah, yeah, rather than using a

671
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: stethoscope in your you know, site and sound. You're just

672
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: watching to see where the levers are and twisting the

673
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: thing until they line up and there's your safe open.

674
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: Which is that was news to me. I thought when

675
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: you drilled into a safe your point was to like

676
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: destroy the locking mechanism. I didn't realize to see, you

677
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: can also drill into the safe. Um. Sometimes they'll use

678
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: multiple holes depending on how easy it is to get through,

679
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: one for the arthroscope and one one for I didn't

680
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: realize this is gonna turn so sexual, one for the

681
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: bores cope, and then one for like a punching rod.

682
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: Good lord, um, and the punching rod. Will you can

683
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: manipulate the inside of the lock with the punching rod

684
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: to like move the stuff around while you're watching, Lord,

685
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: maybe a partner's watching, who knows. Uh. There's also oh man,

686
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: what is happening? I don't know, but the walls are

687
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: melting all of a sudden. So there's also another backup system.

688
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: Because here's the deal. Every time you find a work

689
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: around to get into a safe, there's some manufacturer that's

690
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: trying to destroy that work around, and there's something called

691
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: a relocker, and that is tripped when your drill bit

692
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: breaks through some sort of indicator, like a piece of

693
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: plastic or glass that you drill through, and once that

694
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: thing is breached, it's gonna trigger an auxiliary locking device.

695
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: And apparently this like completely locks you out to the

696
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: point where you have to go to a unlocksmith or

697
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: a safe technician. Yeah. And the reason why is because

698
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: it's this locking device is unrelated to the combination lock. Uh,

699
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: It's it's just like basically a booby trap. And then

700
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: once it's tripped there, you can't unlock it. You have

701
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: to go in and drill and then manipulate the thing

702
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: to open it back up. So um, it's it's kind

703
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: of like a a self destruct mechanism for the safe.

704
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: And because it's not related to the combination lock, it's

705
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: a separate, independent lock. You can twist the combination all

706
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: day long and know the combination it's not going to

707
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: do anything. It's locked separately. Um and apparently not just

708
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: cat burglars and and um uh, you know homeowners accidentally

709
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: tripped this thing. It's pretty frequently tripped by safe technicians

710
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: to um who live in dread. I read on one

711
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: safe technicians forum that at the very least, when you

712
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: break the glass and trip the relocker, you can relax

713
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: because you know the worst case scenario has now happened,

714
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: and then you have to dig your way out of it.

715
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: Another drilling method is if you go in on the

716
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: back side, you can drill a couple of holes. And

717
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: this is the one we mentioned earlier where I thought

718
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: rivets might come in handy. You put in the boroscope

719
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: and then you have a really long screwdriver and you

720
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: just unscrew that cobalt plate. But again I don't know

721
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 1: why they would ever use a simple screw, So then

722
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: you've got cobalt plates relockers. I also saw chuck that

723
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: there was a trend early in the last century where

724
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: they would add either manufacturers would put them on, or

725
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: you could buy them and put them on like aftermarket parts.

726
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: Um a a little like steel plate thing that you

727
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: riveted onto the safe, and then inside the steel plate

728
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: were extremely fragile glass vials that contained phosgene gas or

729
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: incredibly potent tear gas, so that if you attacked a

730
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: safe using you know, a drill or a hammer or

731
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: try to drop it or something like that, you'd break

732
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: these vials of gas and would basically poise in yourself,

733
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: and you would be run away from the safe as

734
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: fast as possible. Apparently it is a great idea, or

735
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: so it was for you know, old timy days before

736
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: they had laws um. But as people kind of got

737
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: wise to the dangerousness of this whole thing, they started

738
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: removing them. But every once in a while you'll still

739
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: find an old safe. And there is a legend, an

740
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: urban legend among lock um locksmiths and safe technicians that

741
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: over the decades this gas turns into nitroglycerin, and so

742
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: it'll actually blow up if you break these vials. So

743
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: more than one bomb squad has been called out when

744
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: like a locksmith came upon one of these things and

745
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: believed the urban legend that he'd heard all these years

746
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: this this is probably nitroglysten, when really, I mean, it

747
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: was just phosgene gas, which is not good. But it

748
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: certainly wasn't explosive like nitroglyscer and it certainly hadn't spontaneously

749
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: turned into it. Very interesting, I thought so too. You know,

750
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: I wondered if just thought about the rivet thing again.

751
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: I wonder if that cobalt is so. I wonder if

752
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: it's not rivetable. You know, you seem like a frog

753
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: right now, you know what I mean. Though, maybe you

754
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: can't rive it through that thing. I mean, if you

755
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: can drill through it with diamond tip um, you could

756
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: rivet it, especially if you're the manufacturer, you totally could.

757
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: They're just being lazy. Let's talk about some of the

758
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: other things you see in a movie sometimes, which are

759
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 1: the use of torches um. Sometimes you will see something

760
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: like an oxy acetylene torch, and they those daddies can

761
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 1: go up to degrees useless useless you think, you think, yeah,

762
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: from what I saw, like a good burglar safe would

763
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: resist that. So those were the old days, yes, I

764
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: or they were just never used. It might be like

765
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: movie kind of thing because what I saw it takes

766
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: something like a thermal lance which gets up to eight

767
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: thousand degrees fahrenheight. Those are pretty cool, or they are

768
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: very cool. Or get this, a plasma cutter, which uses

769
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: a current of electricity to convert um highly compressed gas

770
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: into plasma, which plasma is the fourth state of energy

771
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: um and it gets apparently up to fifty thousand degrees fahrenheight.

772
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: And we'll just cut right through a safe if you

773
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: know what you're doing. But they're really hard to use,

774
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: they're really dangerous and they require um extensive training. Like

775
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: if you're if you're a plasma cutter guy, you're probably

776
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 1: getting more than just the standard share of the loot

777
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: um for a safe job. Well, I feel like a fool.

778
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: Now we'll be here with my oxy acetylene torch. You've

779
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: been going at it for a while. You're just like

780
00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: just gonna make a crimbrole a honey, right, make a

781
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: smoky gin Anton, Oh yeah, exactly. So these plasma cutters

782
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: and uh thermic glances, you can just I mean, sometimes

783
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: you're trying to cut the lockout and sometimes you're just

784
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: cutting a hole in there so you can reach in

785
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: and get whatever you're trying to get, right, which I

786
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: mean that makes sense. But one of the things you

787
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: have to be careful with is not excellently burning all

788
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: of like the cash inside or something like that. It's

789
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: it's delicate work. It seemed like you want to maybe

790
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: cut the hinges off or something like that. Is is

791
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: a good way to do it. Yeah, if you know

792
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: what you're going for, Like if you know they were

793
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: just diamonds, if there's ice in that thing, m hm,

794
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: he might be safe, go for it. But also, I mean,

795
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: if you're if you know enough that the you know

796
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: the placement of the stuff in there, maybe you could

797
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: cut the top off of the safe and know that

798
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: there's nothing high up in it, or or cut the

799
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: back off because there's nothing in the back, it's all

800
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: stuffed towards the front. Who knows it's not entirely out

801
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: of the realm of possibility because is one of the

802
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: one of the hallmarks of being a safe cracker is research,

803
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: not just researching the safe you're working on to know

804
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: what you're dealing with, what safeguards and securities you're having

805
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: to get around, but also your mark the person you're robbing. UM,

806
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: you want to have done some sort of research on

807
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: them so you can, um at the very least make

808
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: educated guesses about what kind of behavior they're going to

809
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: engage in and putting stuff in their safe, where they

810
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: would put it, how they would put it in there,

811
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: what they would put in there, that kind of stuff,

812
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: maybe what the combination is if they've actually changed the

813
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: combination to something personal. Sure, is it diamonds? Is it

814
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: bare bonds? Is it Cougarran's is it other things in

815
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: movies that have heard? Is it smoleans? Uh? You mentioned

816
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: nitroglystener in earlier, and this is another thing that you

817
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: can do. Uh. It's called a jam shot or nitroglysteners,

818
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: also called Greece if you're in the industry. Yeah, and

819
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: I didn't fully understand how this worked other than the

820
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: fact that what you're essentially doing is blasting this thing. Yeah,

821
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: you're just making like a little funnel out of soap

822
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: that you're adhering to, like where the door and the

823
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: safe come together, putting some nitroglycerin in it, putting a

824
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: blasting cap in there, and touching the wires together while

825
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: you're very far away. You set off the blasting cap,

826
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: which sets off the nitroglyctener, which blows the door off

827
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: of the safe, which again you want to make sure

828
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: that there's just diamonds in there, something that can withstand

829
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: this blast, because that's you don't want to blow up

830
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: the loot. That's not a good good move for a

831
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: burglar or a safe technicsue is being called out to

832
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: open a safe. If you blow the door off of

833
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: your clients safe, uh and blow up everything inside, do

834
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: you you're probably not gonna get paid that day. Yeah.

835
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to picture a thief um taking the time

836
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: to break into what will be in my safe and

837
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: be in and finding my ziploc bag of concert ticket stubs, right,

838
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: which is disappointed? I would I would suggest chucked us

839
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: to leave it a daylocked. Yeah, yeah, because I mean

840
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: at the very least you'll you'll have your safe. Still

841
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: they'll be like this is this is useless? Worthless stuff,

842
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 1: and you'll say not to me, cat burglar, now please

843
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: leave my house. Yeah, I'm not even sure what we're

844
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: gonna do. I have a feeling it's going to be

845
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: in one of those things where everyone's like, you need

846
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: a fire safe and we're gonna get it in our

847
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: house and open it up, and then Emily and are

848
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: going to look at each other and say, well, what

849
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: do we put in there? Well, you put things like

850
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, like um, a tax documents maybe, or

851
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: just the most eye bleedingly boring stuff you can think of.

852
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: That's why a fire safe is for. It's just for

853
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: basically like document storage. I know, but I can't think

854
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: of any document that's not electronic these days. Well, you

855
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: can put those things on a thumb drive and then

856
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: put the thumb drive in the that's yeah, and I

857
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: guess maybe, especially since I mean it's kind of mundane. Um.

858
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: But if you treasure memories and you have a ton

859
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,479
Speaker 1: of of digital files, putting them on multiple thumb drives

860
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: in a safe isn't a bad idea? Yeah. Or if

861
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: you have an extensive collection of precious memories figurines, if

862
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: you want to keep those safe, put them in your

863
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: fires safe are your little holly hobbies exactly. Uh, most

864
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: locks and and this safe that I got is an

865
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: electronic safe, so it has an electronic lock, which allows

866
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: for far greater number of groupings and combinations you can

867
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: do things. Some of them you can connect to an

868
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: app to open it. Some of them have like these

869
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: electronic front door locks. You can have different combinations for

870
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: different people, you can lock people out, so a lot

871
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: more variety and an electronic lock safe, right, So this

872
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 1: is like represented this kind of new leap forward among

873
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: safe cracking because they're like, Okay, we'll learn to deal

874
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: with this. There's um this. I love this. If you're

875
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: a really good cat burglar, you may break into the

876
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: house the night or a couple of days before you

877
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: plan to break in and rob the safe and put

878
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: ultra violet ink on stuff, but you know the person

879
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: will touch and then you go back when you go

880
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: to rob the house and use a black light and

881
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: shine it on the computer keypad of the electronic lock,

882
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: and you can see what numbers have been pushed, and

883
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: in doing so, you can just try the combination of

884
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: say like those four, six, eight numbers and pop the

885
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: safe right open. I love that one that's like, that's

886
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: just like nineteen eighties computer hacker movie stuff. Yeah, I

887
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: feel like I've seen that in like a Mission Impossible

888
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: or something. Surely we have where you sign a shine

889
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: a black light and you see like the thumb print

890
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: or the fingerprint or whatever on the combination. That's there's

891
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: just there's no way we haven't. But the idea that

892
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: someone does that in real life is just I mean,

893
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: I tend not to respect criminals, but hats off to

894
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: that one. That's that's some real sticktuitiveness. So, uh, is

895
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 1: there anything else here? Um? Oh, yeah, there's there's Yeah,

896
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: there was this one at the very end they say

897
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: don't try this at home. By the way, this article

898
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: is written on how stuff works, like you said, but

899
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: it was written by a guy named Robert Valdez who

900
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: who made maybe the most valuant effort I've seen at

901
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: explaining in words how to manipulate locks, and then a

902
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: really good job. It's just really hard to understand just

903
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 1: reading it. But I would also shout out another site

904
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: that went even deeper, like David Reest does um and

905
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: they like really explain how to manipulate safe is called

906
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 1: opening Safes. By manipulation by Gail Johnson on lock smith

907
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: Ledger dot com. And I mean it's it's as detailed

908
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: as I've seen for sure, So shouts out to them.

909
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: But at the end of this um this how stuff

910
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: works article, it says this is all very much too legal.

911
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: Don't don't do this, especially for crime. That's correct, especially

912
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: for crime, especially for crime. Everybody. Um, well, that's it

913
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: for safe cracking. I'm glad we did this one. Chuck,

914
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: how about you? Yeah, me too, fun movie stuff, lots

915
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: of body humor. Yeah, they did get body. Uh. And

916
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: since we said did get body everybody, that means it's

917
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: time for a listener. Man. Uh. Let me see here.

918
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: This is some advice for Julia. Hey, guys, been a

919
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: listener since summer of two thousand eighteen, the Summer of love.

920
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: That's right, very nice. About one year after I graduated

921
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: in college, go banana slugs. So, I think that's you,

922
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: see Santa Cruz, right, I think? So? I began to

923
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: flail around aimlessly, searching for meaning and purpose. One thing

924
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: I didn't have to flail for was love of learning,

925
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: especially once I discovered your show. I really appreciate the

926
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 1: work you do and giving us listeners hundred thousands question

927
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 1: mark of episodes to listen to remember a thousand? Oh yeah,

928
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can call that thousands though,

929
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: didn't need to be at least two thousand. I don't know, yeah, probably,

930
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: so we'll just say scores and scores. I wanted to

931
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: ask a question, since you all seem like open minded,

932
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: knowledgeable people, what were some of the things you did

933
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,959
Speaker 1: after college? High school? Uh, let's go ahead and answer

934
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: each one of these. Wanted to time. Well, I'll take

935
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: this one. Um. You know, I've I've talked about it before,

936
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 1: but I worked in the film industry for a while

937
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: and then worked in marketing for a little while, and

938
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: then eventually was a writer like you for How Stuff

939
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: Works yep dot com. So that the some of the

940
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: things I did the dream job getting hired like that,

941
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, like we both want to the writers and

942
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: it was like, hey, you're professional writers, now tried. How

943
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: didn't you hold on real quick? Chuck? Didn't you turn

944
00:53:55,440 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: in a movie script as as your writing sample? All

945
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: I had? That's boss and you got the job? Yeah?

946
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: Luckily our boss, Uh it was as a screenwriter himself.

947
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: So he was like I'll take this. Yeah. Nice. Yeah,

948
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: he turned it into his own and he stole it.

949
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: How did you come to find yourselves where you are now? Well,

950
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: I think we discovered that we got a job writing

951
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: for the website and our boss said, hey, why don't

952
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: you try this podcasting thing? Yeah, and boy was at

953
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: a great day. In retrospect, it really was because, you know,

954
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: we didn't know what we were doing, but because no

955
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: one knew what we were doing and we were able

956
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: to like kind of fly under the radar and just

957
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: try it out, try new things. There weren't a lot

958
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: of expectations or anything like that, and next thing, you know,

959
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: people started listening to it. So yeah, it was. It

960
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: was cool, you know, just kind of being able to

961
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: do it on our own terms all these all these years. Agreed.

962
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: Next question, did you ever feel like you would not

963
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: find your your place and your niche speaking for myself,

964
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: I very much felt that way absolutely, Although I mean

965
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: the writing gig was cool, but it definitely wasn't like,

966
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: all right, well, this is it for me forever, right,

967
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,919
Speaker 1: And I think anybody who has ever been alive has

968
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: gone through that point, you know, whether you um drop

969
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: out at school or whether you graduate with the pH d.

970
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: It really doesn't matter. There's like some point in your

971
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: life where you have a crisis of confidence either what

972
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: am I gonna do with the rest of my life?

973
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: Or have I been going down the wrong path this

974
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: whole time and now I need to figure something else out.

975
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 1: Everybody has that that crisis, you know, usually multiple times

976
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: throughout their life. So yeah, of course we felt that way.

977
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: Everybody feels that way, and if you do feel that way,

978
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: don't don't get discouraged like it. You come out of

979
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: that that little woods that you have to go through. Well,

980
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: that sound kind of satisfies the last question from Julia

981
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: as any advice for my quarter life crisis, I don't

982
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: think that advice is great. And also, you know, if

983
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: you are at your quarter life crisis, you've got a

984
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: long way to go. So my advice is just don't

985
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: stress too my uch, now try some different things. You've

986
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: got time, and uh, you don't really feel that life

987
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: clock ticking, at least I didn't until I was in

988
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: my forties. It's true, but I remember being worried in

989
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: the twenties and the thirties and everything. To you kind

990
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: of have those times, you know, Yeah, but don't let

991
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: it consume you try some stuff out. You don't have

992
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 1: to be making forever decisions right now. Uh. And you might,

993
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: you know, you might find yourself backing into an experience

994
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: because you have tried out different things. Yeah. And even

995
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: if you do have to make a forever decision, just

996
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: know that very few decisions are irrevocable. And even if

997
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 1: it is irrevocable, if you remember the mantra to be kind,

998
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: be kind, be kind, those are the three most important

999
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: things in life, says Bertrand Russell, then you're probably not

1000
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: going to make a forever decision that's irrevocable and horrible

1001
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,439
Speaker 1: at the same time. You know what, that's great advice. Look,

1002
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: thanks man. Thanks. So she concludes with saying thanks for

1003
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: your work on stuff you should know, movie Crush and

1004
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 1: The Into the World, my favorite three podcast. I can't

1005
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: wait to see you at SF. Sketch Best that's from Julia. Awesome.

1006
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Julia. Good luck with your quarter life

1007
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: crisis will pass. Don't worry about that. Uh. And if

1008
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: you're like Julia and you want to get in touch

1009
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: with us for advice or just to say hi or whatever,

1010
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: you can go onto stuff you Should Know dot com

1011
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: and check out our social links there and you can

1012
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: send us an email, wrap it up, spank it on

1013
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: the bottom, and send it off to stuff podcast at

1014
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: iHeart radio dot com. Stuff you Should Know is a

1015
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radios How Stuff Works. For more podcasts

1016
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1017
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