WEBVTT - Libra - The Failed Facebook Currency

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tex Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with iHeart Radio. And

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<v Speaker 1>how the tech are Yeah, well, let's get to it.

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<v Speaker 1>In the summer of twenty nineteen, Facebook, the company, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the one that's now known as Meta. I keep forgetting

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<v Speaker 1>to call it that anyway, Facebook announced a project called Libra,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was to be a new cryptocurrency sort of

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<v Speaker 1>more on that in a second. In fact, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it might be more fair to just call it a

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<v Speaker 1>digital currency. But it was meant to be a currency

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<v Speaker 1>that would allow folks to send money around the globe

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<v Speaker 1>with a minimum of fuss, including stuff like transaction fees

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, currency convert Asian fees and all the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that mounts up as you try to move money

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<v Speaker 1>from one region in the world to a different region.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was going to work all through various applications

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<v Speaker 1>such as Facebook Messenger or WhatsApp, both of which obviously

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<v Speaker 1>are Facebook slash Meta properties. Now that alone would have

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<v Speaker 1>been a huge benefit to millions, perhaps as many as

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<v Speaker 1>a billion people. There are so many folks who leave

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<v Speaker 1>their families behind in order to travel to some other

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<v Speaker 1>part of the world where they can get work, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them want to send money back home

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<v Speaker 1>to their loved ones. You know, maybe they're able to

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<v Speaker 1>earn a decent wage whereas back home they couldn't, and

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<v Speaker 1>they still want to be able to support their family.

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<v Speaker 1>But international money transfers are, to put it lightly, somewhat clunky,

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<v Speaker 1>and various fees often eat away significantly at any money

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<v Speaker 1>you actually send back, so the amount that your family

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<v Speaker 1>receives might be a fraction of what you actually sent.

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<v Speaker 1>A digital currency that could streamline that process and work

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<v Speaker 1>natively within apps that billions of people are already using

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<v Speaker 1>seemed like a no brainer. But we recently learned that

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<v Speaker 1>silver Gate Capital, which is a bank located in California,

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<v Speaker 1>has paid two hundred million dollars for the assets of

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<v Speaker 1>what was once called Libra. So today I thought we

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<v Speaker 1>would talk about what Libra was, how Facebook was involved,

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<v Speaker 1>the changes that the currency went through, and how we

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<v Speaker 1>got to where we are now with the project essentially disbanded.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's start at the very beginning, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>very good place to start. According to CNBC, the natural

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<v Speaker 1>starting point is with a woman named Morgan Beller who

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<v Speaker 1>joined Facebook in ten. She joined as part of the

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<v Speaker 1>company's corporate development department. Now, in case you're not down

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<v Speaker 1>with business speak, corporate development is usually the part of

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<v Speaker 1>a company that's always looking for the next deal, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's a merger or an acquisition, divestiture, a partnership,

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that. When you get down to it, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really the part of big companies that's always looking for

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<v Speaker 1>ways to grow the company further and to restructure it

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<v Speaker 1>so that it works more efficiently. Um Typically, when I

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<v Speaker 1>think of efficiently in these terms, it's really how can

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<v Speaker 1>we do more but with fewer resources and with better revenue. So,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, what are we doing now? Can we

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<v Speaker 1>do more of that? And can we do more of

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<v Speaker 1>that without spending so much? It's really how how it

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<v Speaker 1>boils down in Beller began reaching out to crypto experts

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<v Speaker 1>with the question, Hey, if you had access to a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of billion people through a platform you had built,

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<v Speaker 1>how would you integrate cryptocurrency into that platform and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>use that to the benefit of both yourself and your users.

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<v Speaker 1>The implication being that Facebook, the company, which again would

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<v Speaker 1>not be called meta until late had this enormous user

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<v Speaker 1>base more than a billion people, and a digital currency

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<v Speaker 1>that was native to Facebook could be an incredible source

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<v Speaker 1>of revenue as well as potentially help countless people out.

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<v Speaker 1>CNBC reports that Beller was the sole employee in the

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<v Speaker 1>company working on blockchain initiatives in those early days in seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>In January eighteen, Mark Zuckerberg himself posted on Facebook that

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted to delve further into technologies like encryption and

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<v Speaker 1>cryptocurrency due to their potential to create decentralized assets that

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<v Speaker 1>quote take power from centralized systems and put it back

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<v Speaker 1>into people's hands end quote. Yes, Mark Zuckerberg, man of

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<v Speaker 1>the people. I'm sure when you think who represents the

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<v Speaker 1>average Joe, Mark Zuckerberg leaps to mind. Uh. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>an outright admission that Facebook the company was getting into

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<v Speaker 1>cryptocurrency or even blockchain, but it was an early sign. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to say that while the model is

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<v Speaker 1>conceptually decentralized as and you don't have like a centralized

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<v Speaker 1>bank or financial authority at the center of most cryptocurrencies,

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet itself conceptually is decentralized, but in practice we

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<v Speaker 1>tend to see a few very powerful players take center

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<v Speaker 1>stage in various domains, if you will, of those technologies,

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<v Speaker 1>and effectively at least parts of the system become centralized.

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<v Speaker 1>Those those companies become the centralized authority within the system.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can have something that you know in theory

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<v Speaker 1>is decentralized and still in reality it can change into

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<v Speaker 1>more of a centralisis to him, a great example of

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<v Speaker 1>that is UH cloud hosting, like various you know, applications

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<v Speaker 1>and things of that nature. Amazon has essentially a lockdown

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<v Speaker 1>on that, effectively a lockdown. If you talk about Internet search,

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<v Speaker 1>Google has a lockdown on that, and what is in

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<v Speaker 1>theory decentralized in practice becomes very centralized. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people have argued cryptocurrency falls into that same category, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's a discussion for another time now. It wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>until the spring of when Beller's work started convincing folks

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<v Speaker 1>higher up on the corporate chain, which ironically is not

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<v Speaker 1>a blockchain, that she was onto something and that more

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<v Speaker 1>people should pay attention. In May, David Marcus posted on

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<v Speaker 1>his Facebook account that he was taking the lead on

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<v Speaker 1>a blockchain working group in Facebook. He also said the

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<v Speaker 1>group was building everything from scratch and maybe I missed it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it seemed like he didn't acknowledge Beller's work at all. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>from what I can tell, the reason that Libra even

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<v Speaker 1>got started is because Beller was hard at work trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out ways to incorporate blockchain and cryptocurrency technologies

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<v Speaker 1>into Facebook products UH, and so I thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>a little odd that there was no acknowledgement here, although

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<v Speaker 1>from all accounts, Beller was an integral component in the

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<v Speaker 1>creation of UH the Libra initiative. Anyway, David Marcus had

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<v Speaker 1>previously led the Facebook Messenger division within the company for

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<v Speaker 1>nearly three years um or maybe it was like almost

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<v Speaker 1>four years, and before that he was president of PayPal,

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<v Speaker 1>So this was someone familiar with both financial organizations and

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<v Speaker 1>communications organizations, and of course that was the crux of

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook's value proposition. When the company was actually ready to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this currency project, in the meantime, Marcus and

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<v Speaker 1>Beller began building out a team to draft out ideas

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<v Speaker 1>for a digital currency that could work with Facebook, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as a digital wallet that would interoperate with Facebook services.

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<v Speaker 1>And the wallet is the part of the system that

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<v Speaker 1>the end user UH interfaces with right The wallet is

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<v Speaker 1>where the user accesses their funds or they purchase more

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<v Speaker 1>crypto units, uh, and its stores the crypto units that

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<v Speaker 1>they own. It has their account on it. Essentially, it's

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<v Speaker 1>called a wallet because it acts like a real world

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<v Speaker 1>wallet would and UH, it would be a delicate thing

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about this moving forward because Facebook was trying

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<v Speaker 1>very very hard to position itself as we are really

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on the wallet side of this. And yes, we're

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<v Speaker 1>involved in drafting out what the currency will be, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's not our thing. Know, it's not Facebook's currency,

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<v Speaker 1>but we are going to create a wallet. However, it'll

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<v Speaker 1>just be one of many wallets that could be created

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<v Speaker 1>for this currency. So Facebook in the very early days

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<v Speaker 1>was still trying to create a narrative that gave a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of separation between the company and the currency.

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<v Speaker 1>Now occasionally the tech media would remind everyone that Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>was working on something in the cryptocurrency realm, and by

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<v Speaker 1>May twenty nineteen, journalists had pretty much confirmed a Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>cryptocurrency like service was coming. At the time, people were

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<v Speaker 1>referencing this as Facebook Coin or sometimes as global Coin,

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<v Speaker 1>but for the most part, you know, it was it

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty quiet news outside the company. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't hear about it very much until June of two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand nineteen. That's when the website for what was then

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<v Speaker 1>called the Libra Association launched. There's gonna be a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of then called because all the stuff I'm gonna talk

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<v Speaker 1>about has changed names. Facebook changed its name, the Libra

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<v Speaker 1>Association changed its name, The Libra unit of currency changed

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<v Speaker 1>its name. Calibra, the digital wallet that Facebook was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make changed its name. Everything changed its name. It's almost

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<v Speaker 1>like everyone wanted to try and assume a brand new

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<v Speaker 1>identity and wipe the slate clean. That's foreshadowing, um. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>in June two thousand nineteen, that's also when someone and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure who, published a piece in Facebook's newsroom section.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no attribution as to who wrote it, but

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<v Speaker 1>this was announcing Calibra. Now, that was the digital wallet

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<v Speaker 1>service specifically crafted to work with the Libra unit of currency. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do a quick overview again, like a quick rundown.

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<v Speaker 1>We have the Libra Association. That's an organization that would

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<v Speaker 1>oversee the development of this digital currency. The currency itself

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<v Speaker 1>was called Libra, and Facebook digital wallet was called CA,

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<v Speaker 1>Libra c A, l I, B R A. All Right, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>folks in the currency division have been hard at work

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<v Speaker 1>forming relationships with numerous companies to create a sort of alliance,

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<v Speaker 1>the Libra Alliance that would or a Libra Association that

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<v Speaker 1>would collectively be the force behind the Libra digital currency

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<v Speaker 1>um I figure. They realized pretty early on that if

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook tried to do this all on its own, people

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<v Speaker 1>would bring up a whole bunch of tough questions, which

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<v Speaker 1>they did anyway. Plus Facebook just didn't have the deep

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<v Speaker 1>background of expertise in the financial world to be able to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, authoritatively, come forward and take the reins on everything. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>initially the Libra Association had twenty seven partners in it

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<v Speaker 1>besides Facebook, and there were some really big companies in

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<v Speaker 1>this association like Visa and MasterCard. Now these are financial

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<v Speaker 1>institutions with a very long history of processing transactions. There

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<v Speaker 1>was also a PayPal, David Marcus, his old stomping grounds uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Spotify was on there too, way before the company would

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<v Speaker 1>become mired down in a mess of battling ideologies and

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<v Speaker 1>misinformation campaigns. Then you had Uber and Lift that were

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<v Speaker 1>also on that list, as well as coin Base, and

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<v Speaker 1>lots of others. Now, the digital currency being proposed was

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways similar to cryptocurrencies and in other ways

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<v Speaker 1>very different, and a lot of outlets would refer to

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<v Speaker 1>Libra just as a cryptocurrency as sort of shorthand, but

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<v Speaker 1>some were a little more nuanced in their description. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Lapato, who's an editor at The Verge, wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>phenomenal piece about Libra back in June of two thousand nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>It was titled simply Libra Explained. Now, first, miss Lapato,

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<v Speaker 1>you are far too modest. Not only did you explain

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<v Speaker 1>Libra thoroughly, I mean seriously, it is an excellent article.

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<v Speaker 1>You should read it. But Lapato also did in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that was really entertaining as it was informative. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>just side note to miss Lapato, I also have a

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<v Speaker 1>habit of capitalizing words for comedic effect, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>care if I'm the only person who finds it funny. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Lapato's piece points out how the proposed currency has laid

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<v Speaker 1>out in a white paper compares to a cryptocurrency like bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So, with bitcoin, you have a finite number of

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin that will ever be in circulation, and once they

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<v Speaker 1>are all in circulation. That's it. That's all that will

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<v Speaker 1>ever be in circulation. They will continue to circulate, but

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<v Speaker 1>you won't generate more. You can't print more, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>mind more. That's it. Now. In the beginning, most of

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<v Speaker 1>the bitcoin were locked away essentially, and the process of

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<v Speaker 1>mining would liberate a certain number of bitcoin every ten

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<v Speaker 1>minutes or so. That number released would diminish over time,

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<v Speaker 1>so every four years it reduces by half. Originally, if

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<v Speaker 1>you were on the ground floor of bitcoin when it

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<v Speaker 1>first launched, those first four years, if you were the

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<v Speaker 1>one to mind a block, you know, to essentially verify

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<v Speaker 1>a block of transactions in the blockchain of bitcoin, well

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<v Speaker 1>you would be awarded fifty bitcoin for your efforts. Four

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<v Speaker 1>years after that, it was down to twenty five bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>per block. Four years after that twelve and a half bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you get to where we are right now. If

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<v Speaker 1>you were to mine a bitcoin successfully, if you were

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, verify a block of transactions in the

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin chain, you wouldn't at six point to five bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>per block. That's gonna jump down to three point one

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<v Speaker 1>to five bitcoin per block. This, by the way, is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the elements that might actually stabilize bitcoins value

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<v Speaker 1>over time. Uh and and also have lots of other effects,

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<v Speaker 1>like we might see a huge decline in massive operations

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<v Speaker 1>that have huge electricity consumption needs. But again that's a

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<v Speaker 1>topic for a different episode. And then there's the block

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<v Speaker 1>chain itself. You can think of bitcoins blockchain as a

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<v Speaker 1>record of all transactions going back to the very beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of bitcoin. It would be a little bit different with

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<v Speaker 1>liebra I'll explain more, but first let's take a quick break. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about blockchain. So it is a chain of blocks, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and each block, new block that joins the chain has

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<v Speaker 1>information in it that relates back to the previous blocks

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<v Speaker 1>in the chain. It's it's got a value that's tied

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<v Speaker 1>to the previous blocks, and then the subsequent block, the

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<v Speaker 1>next new block, will have information of all the links

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<v Speaker 1>back to all the blocks that came before it. The

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<v Speaker 1>benefit of this approach, or one benefit of this approach,

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<v Speaker 1>is that should somebody, some nefarious ne'er do well, decide

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<v Speaker 1>they to make a change in the history of all

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<v Speaker 1>those transactions. Maybe they spent their bitcoin back, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>ten years ago, and they used it to buy a pizza,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had thousands of bitcoin, and they're just ruining

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<v Speaker 1>the day that they did that because now the bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>are worth so much more than they were way back then.

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<v Speaker 1>So what they want to do is go back and

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<v Speaker 1>change a couple of numbers in that list of transactions

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<v Speaker 1>that suggests they never spent that money in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>All those thousands of bitcoins are still There's that would

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<v Speaker 1>instantly make the millionaires. Well, because of the way that

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<v Speaker 1>the chain forms, if you make a change in a block,

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<v Speaker 1>every block that follows it is going to also change

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<v Speaker 1>because they're all tied to this value that's associated with

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<v Speaker 1>the block, and that means that if you try to

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<v Speaker 1>alter the system, everybody knows it, everybody can see that

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<v Speaker 1>you did it, and they can invalidate the changes you make,

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<v Speaker 1>go back to the stable blockchain, and your attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>hoist money through the blockchain would be thwarted. There are

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<v Speaker 1>other ways to hist cryptocurrency, but this is one that

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<v Speaker 1>the blockchains design itself is uh is going to combat well.

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<v Speaker 1>Libra would not use a block chain system. It would

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<v Speaker 1>use kind of a unified ledger, just an unbroken ledger

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<v Speaker 1>of transactions, not a not a a series of blocks. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin is what we call a permissionless system. That is,

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<v Speaker 1>to participate in bitcoin mining, you just have to join

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<v Speaker 1>the bitcoin ecosystem and boom, you're part of it. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to secure permission from any entity, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to do anything special, just join the system and

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<v Speaker 1>there you go. Now, just because you join doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna raake in any bitcoin, because mining is such

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<v Speaker 1>a computationally intensive activity, because bitcoin is a proof of

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<v Speaker 1>work cryptocurrency, and you've got other group that report literally

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<v Speaker 1>millions of dollars into computer resources, massive computer systems, all

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<v Speaker 1>just so to get the jump on everybody else in

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<v Speaker 1>the ecosystem. It means you don't stand a chance if

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<v Speaker 1>you just like have your laptop hooked into it, but

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<v Speaker 1>you are technically allowed to participate. It's just you're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna You're not gonna mind anything. Uh. Libra, in contrast,

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<v Speaker 1>was to be a permissioned system, at least initially. The

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<v Speaker 1>entities that could ment coins would be limited to the

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<v Speaker 1>partners in the Libra Association. Each partner would contribute a

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<v Speaker 1>certain amount of money dedicated to the system. For the

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<v Speaker 1>major partners, this was said to be around ten million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars each and individual users would then buy into the ecosystem,

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<v Speaker 1>but wouldn't be able to participate in any kind of mining.

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<v Speaker 1>So you and I, if we wanted to use Libra, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we could use whatever our native currency was to purchase

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<v Speaker 1>Libra units of currency, but we couldn't mind Libra. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>the original idea kind of went like this. You decide

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<v Speaker 1>you want to purchase some units of Libra so that

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<v Speaker 1>you can send some money to your dear sweet auntie

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<v Speaker 1>who lives in a different country, and you spend whatever

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<v Speaker 1>your local currency happens to be. Let's say it's in euros,

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<v Speaker 1>so you spend ten euros to purchase libra. Your money

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<v Speaker 1>would then enter into the Libra reserve that would be

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<v Speaker 1>this big pool of resources. That pool of resources backs

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<v Speaker 1>the value of every Libra unit of currency, and you

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<v Speaker 1>would receive an amount of libra equivalent to the ten

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<v Speaker 1>euros you paid, right, So whatever the Libra equivalent of

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<v Speaker 1>ten euros was, that's what goes into your your digital wallet.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you send the digital Libra to your auntie. And

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<v Speaker 1>let's say your auntie lives in Canada and she wants

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<v Speaker 1>to cash out, and she wants to trade the Libra

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<v Speaker 1>in for Canadian dollars, so the Libra association covers the

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<v Speaker 1>cashing out of the process. So the reserve like ten

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the the equivalent in Canadian dollars is, gets chucked out.

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<v Speaker 1>At your auntie, she gets her money, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>Libra that she used to trade in to get that

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<v Speaker 1>cash that got deleted. So Libra units only exists as

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<v Speaker 1>long as the user has them in a digital wallet.

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<v Speaker 1>But once you cash out, the Libra would get deleted

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<v Speaker 1>rather than recirculated. It's a big difference between Libra and

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<v Speaker 1>other cryptocurrencies. And like I said, not a blockchain, just

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<v Speaker 1>a long list of all transactions that the partners would

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<v Speaker 1>be able to see. Um again, not in blocks, just

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<v Speaker 1>as this this tree like structure that they described. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there was the fact that bitcoin is not a

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<v Speaker 1>commodity backed currency. It's not a fiat currency either. A

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<v Speaker 1>fiat currency is a government issued currency that is not

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<v Speaker 1>backed by some other commodity like gold. You know, way

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<v Speaker 1>in the old back in the old days of the

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<v Speaker 1>dollar was on what was called the gold standard, where

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<v Speaker 1>there was a reserve of gold that backed up the

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<v Speaker 1>value of the dollar. End In theory, you could trade

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<v Speaker 1>your dollar in for a dollar's worth of gold at

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<v Speaker 1>any time. But we've long since abandoned the gold standard,

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<v Speaker 1>and now the US dollar is a fiat currency. It's

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<v Speaker 1>government issued, but it is not backed by a specific commodity.

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<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin is not issued by a government, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>also not backed by a commodity. Like gold, Bitcoin's value

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<v Speaker 1>comes from a restricted supply and a high demand. So,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, bitcoin is valuable because people want it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing magical about bitcoin that makes it valuable on

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<v Speaker 1>its own. Hamlet would say it's valuable because thinking makes

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<v Speaker 1>it so. Then again, you could also apply that same

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<v Speaker 1>logic to stuff like gold. You could say, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>gold is not really valuable on its own, it's valuable

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<v Speaker 1>because people want it, right, Like, there's nothing intrinsic about

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<v Speaker 1>gold anyway. If you go down that road long enough,

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<v Speaker 1>you start to question what is real. I don't recommend

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<v Speaker 1>you do it. It's pretty tough out there. Already, Libra

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<v Speaker 1>would not be a fiat currency because it wasn't issued

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<v Speaker 1>by a government. However, it would be backed by a commodity,

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<v Speaker 1>and the initial commodity consisted of the money pooled by

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<v Speaker 1>the various partners in the Libra Association. Now The idea

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<v Speaker 1>was that Libra's value would be tied to a quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote basket of resources of commodities, which would include fiat

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<v Speaker 1>currencies and low risk investments. Uh. The Association would take

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<v Speaker 1>this big old poll of cash from the twenty eight

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<v Speaker 1>partners who were part of the association and then invest

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<v Speaker 1>that money in various low risk investments and guarantee the

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<v Speaker 1>value of the Libra currency from that investment pool. And

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<v Speaker 1>the partners in return would actually earn interests off of

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<v Speaker 1>those investments, like if they actually made money, Well, that

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<v Speaker 1>money would go to the partners, it wouldn't get circulated

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<v Speaker 1>into the Libra ecosystem. Uh. The association, the members of

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<v Speaker 1>the Association would enjoy those profits uh, and then that

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<v Speaker 1>would continue to back the initial pool. There would continue

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<v Speaker 1>to back the value of the Libra currency in circulation. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The Association said that this approach would make the Libra

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<v Speaker 1>currency less volatile than cryptocurrencies, and that has been a

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<v Speaker 1>real issue with lots of cryptocurrencies, especially recently. If you've

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<v Speaker 1>heard me talk about crypto before, you know one of

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<v Speaker 1>my big complaints is that for a lot of cryptocurrencies,

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<v Speaker 1>the volatility is so great that you can't really rely

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<v Speaker 1>on crypto to act like a real currency. If I

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<v Speaker 1>have a unit of currency that can buy five dollars

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<v Speaker 1>worth of goods or services today, but then tomorrow I

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<v Speaker 1>could use that same unit of currency to buy twenty

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<v Speaker 1>dollars worth of goods or services, I would be petrified

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<v Speaker 1>of spending any cash at all, because I'd be worried

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be bleeding wealth in the process. I would constantly

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<v Speaker 1>be thinking this could buy me four times as much

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow as it can buy me today, and two days

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<v Speaker 1>from now I might be able to buy twenty times

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<v Speaker 1>as much stuff. I would never spend anything because the

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<v Speaker 1>following day I would think, oh, I just I totally

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<v Speaker 1>wasted all that buying potential. That's the way I feel

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<v Speaker 1>about cryptocurrency. So Libra would instead be connected to real

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<v Speaker 1>world assets that would have, in theory a more predictable value,

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<v Speaker 1>a more stable value to them, and that would make

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<v Speaker 1>Libra a bit more stable. In return, Libra would literally

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<v Speaker 1>be what we call a stable coin. The major partners

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<v Speaker 1>in the Libra Association would each have a single vote

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<v Speaker 1>over matters of governance that would include Facebook. Facebook would

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<v Speaker 1>have one vote, just like all the other partners and

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<v Speaker 1>that was probably a move to help kind of dilute

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<v Speaker 1>the perception that Facebook was behind a digital currency, because

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<v Speaker 1>various governmental officials around the world were already pretty leery

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<v Speaker 1>of Facebook at this point, and that would be a

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<v Speaker 1>trend that would intensify over the following years. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty easy to see why Facebook would want in

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<v Speaker 1>on this. The company has a long history of integrating

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<v Speaker 1>products and services that are proven to be successful or

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<v Speaker 1>at least popular elsewhere. Facebook as a rep for acquiring

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<v Speaker 1>potential competitors, and if that's not an option for copying

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:15.160
<v Speaker 1>competitors and and their products in their services, and an

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<v Speaker 1>effort to monopolize your time on Facebook's and various platforms.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything that takes your attention away from Facebook is bad

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<v Speaker 1>for Facebook, so they always try and find ways to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure if something else is vying for your attention,

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook wants to be able to provide that same thing

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<v Speaker 1>to you so that you don't go away from Facebook.

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<v Speaker 1>Having a stake in a digital currency that could be

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<v Speaker 1>used across Facebook services would represent a truly enormous surge

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<v Speaker 1>and revenue and power for the company. The trouble for

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook is that a lot of other folks have come

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<v Speaker 1>to a similar conclusion. By twenty nineteen, there was already

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<v Speaker 1>inherent distrust in the company, and so regulatory agencies around

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<v Speaker 1>the world were instantly critical of the Facebook lead initiative.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't matter if Facebook was just one member of

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty eight member Libra Association. Pretty much everyone referenced

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<v Speaker 1>Libra as a Facebook project that also happened to have

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<v Speaker 1>some other big companies involved. One of the very big

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<v Speaker 1>concerns expressed both by government officials and media outlets centered

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<v Speaker 1>around privacy, obviously, something that is a huge issue at Facebook.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Zuckerberg himself famously declared privacy to be dead

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<v Speaker 1>years and years ago. He walked that back after a while,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, you get the feeling that they pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much went whole hog with that idea ever since. So

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<v Speaker 1>an early question was how much of a user's data

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<v Speaker 1>would the various partners in the Libra Association see, Like

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<v Speaker 1>they would be able to see the history of transactions.

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<v Speaker 1>They had to to be able to validate transactions, otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>there's no control over if someone's actually using, abusing, or

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<v Speaker 1>lying on the system. So how much of the user

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<v Speaker 1>data would the Libra Association be pretty d two. And

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<v Speaker 1>how might they otherwise use that data If they know

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<v Speaker 1>that someone is using libra to purchase a specific type

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<v Speaker 1>of thing, could that mean that they could also market

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<v Speaker 1>directly to that person? And then this would mean there

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<v Speaker 1>could be an overlap between commerce and banking. Now, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of thing that regulations tried to protect us against,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly here in the United States, because there's a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>clear conflict of interest that can rise here in America.

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<v Speaker 1>It was described as avoiding a situation in which banks

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<v Speaker 1>end up competing with their own customers in the marketplace,

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<v Speaker 1>and considering the amount of money that banks handle, it

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<v Speaker 1>would give the banks an enormous and unfair advantage in

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<v Speaker 1>that regard. Now, there was also the case that the

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<v Speaker 1>Liberal Association seemed to be positioning the digital currency as

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<v Speaker 1>both a global digital method to move money around without

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<v Speaker 1>all those nasty entanglements, but also to be compliant with

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<v Speaker 1>the various complicated regulations around the world at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of analysts questioned whether that's even possible

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<v Speaker 1>or if this is just a case of trying to

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<v Speaker 1>have your cake and eat it too. This idea of

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<v Speaker 1>you can't be both, you can't be unfettered and be

0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 1>able to send money without all these different UH checks

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 1>and balances and hurdles in the way, and also be

0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 1>compliant with all the different regulations. It's the regulations that

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 1>create a lot of those issues in the first place,

0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:27.720
<v Speaker 1>so you can't be both. There were also concerns about

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 1>potential scams and hoaxes that could proliferate should Facebook effectively

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 1>roll out a massive digital currency plan across its billion

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:39.240
<v Speaker 1>plus users, or the possibility that criminals would make use

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:41.680
<v Speaker 1>of the system in order to move money around and

0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 1>avoid what Obi Wan Kenobi would call imperial entanglements money laundering.

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 1>In other words, Then there were the various tax authorities

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:53.920
<v Speaker 1>around the world. Here in the US, cryptocurrency can be

0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 1>treated like a commodity, So while the purchase of cryptocurrency

0:28:57.400 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 1>itself isn't really that big a deal from a tax

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 1>sage and standpoint, any wealth you gain due to the

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 1>appreciation of that cryptocurrency's value is a taxation issue. In

0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 1>other words, if I bought ten dollars worth of bitcoin

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 1>and then tomorrow the amount the amount I bought is

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:20.760
<v Speaker 1>now worth one hundred dollars, well, that ninety dollars of

0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 1>wealth that suddenly became mine would also be taxable income. Now,

0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:28.480
<v Speaker 1>it pretty quickly became clear that there were a lot

0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 1>of challenges ahead for the Libra Association and that the

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:34.320
<v Speaker 1>goal of launching Libra in twenty was going to be

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 1>a long shot. They're all the regulatory hurdles that made

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 1>ton of news, but there were also technological obstacles, and

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 1>according to sources like Bloomberg, the approach that the Libra

0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:49.479
<v Speaker 1>Association was planning to take didn't yet work, so that

0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 1>whole ledger system I was referring to, while the idea existed,

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 1>the actual execution didn't. All Right, when we come back,

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll talk about the beginning of the end and then

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:06.120
<v Speaker 1>hopefully the end of the end of Libra. But first

0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 1>let's take another quick break. Okay, So liber Association, CA,

0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Libra Facebook. They're all under this intense regulatory scrutiny around

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:25.760
<v Speaker 1>the world. I mean here in the US it was

0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:29.120
<v Speaker 1>particularly intense, but we were not the only country to

0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 1>bring up some tough questions, and it scared off a

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:35.000
<v Speaker 1>few of the partners in the Libra Association. They decided

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 1>to peace out in October two thousand nineteen, just a

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 1>couple of months after the public announcement that the Libra

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Association was even a thing. PayPal pulled the rip chord

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>on its parachute and got the heck out of there.

0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>The company did say it was total rooting for the

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 1>rest of the association, like we're not gonna be a

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.000
<v Speaker 1>part of it, but you guys, good luck. And a

0:30:57.040 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 1>week later news broke that Visa, Master, car eBay and

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 1>a couple of others also decided they were going to

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:06.000
<v Speaker 1>dip out. Now, this was all in advance of the

0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 1>first official meeting of the Libra Association. They had not

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 1>even had their first meeting yet, that was to take

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 1>place on October fourteenth, in two thousand nineteen. David Marcus

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 1>would subsequently tweet quote, I would caution against reading the

0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 1>fate of Libra into this update. Of course, it's not

0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:27.240
<v Speaker 1>great news in the short term, but in a way

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:31.880
<v Speaker 1>it's liberating. Stay tuned for more very soon. Change of

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 1>this magnitude is hard. You know you're onto something when

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 1>so much pressure builds up. End quote, which I have

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 1>to admit, is a heck of a way to spend

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:42.720
<v Speaker 1>the fact that a significant number of partners in a

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 1>fledgling association just bailed on you to say, like, hey,

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 1>you know you're onto something would people are scared of

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 1>it seems like, I don't know, I get where he

0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:58.240
<v Speaker 1>was going, but it just seems comical to me. Anyway,

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 1>time marched on and Libra continued to wade through a

0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:05.840
<v Speaker 1>lot of regulatory resistance. By the spring of twenty twenty,

0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:09.000
<v Speaker 1>just as the world was really going into isolation due

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 1>to the pandemic, a few big changes began to take place.

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 1>One was the underpinning for Libra itself. Now represent Libra

0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 1>announced that rather than using this quote unquote basket of

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:24.000
<v Speaker 1>assets that was the original plan, remember to kind of

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 1>anchor Libra's value in this collection of real world assets

0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 1>that the association would invest in. Instead of using that,

0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:35.120
<v Speaker 1>the currency would switch to a model in which Libra

0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 1>would be backed by single currency stable coins. And this

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 1>gets a little bit complicated. The original idea for Libra,

0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:45.000
<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned earlier, had it as sort of a

0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:47.880
<v Speaker 1>stable coin itself. So a stable coin is a type

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 1>of digital currency, usually cryptocurrency. The anchors its value to

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 1>some external thing, such as a fiat currency from a

0:32:56.360 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 1>specific country or a specific commodity, you know, like gold.

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:03.840
<v Speaker 1>And the original Libra coin did that with that Libra reserve,

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:06.480
<v Speaker 1>that pool of assets that was initially created by the

0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Libra Association and then would be fed by the various

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Libra users cashing into it. But the new model would

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:17.880
<v Speaker 1>create stable coins for various fiat currencies. For example, there

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 1>would be a Libra USD and that would be tied

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:24.320
<v Speaker 1>to the United States dollar, or the Libra eu are

0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:28.520
<v Speaker 1>tied to the euro. In theory, if you were to

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 1>put one US dollar into Libra, you would get one

0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Libra USD. It would be a one to one exchange,

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:39.200
<v Speaker 1>which would make it really simple for any individual within

0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 1>a nation to understand how much money they have in Libra,

0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 1>because it would be equivalent to whatever the fiat currency

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 1>they were using in their day to day lives happened

0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 1>to be. This is one of the issues I have

0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:51.959
<v Speaker 1>with digital currencies in general is often it can become

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:56.160
<v Speaker 1>difficult to figure out how much wealth you actually have

0:33:56.440 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 1>represented in that digital currency. Xbox game Mer's out there.

0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:02.600
<v Speaker 1>If you've been playing for a while, you might remember

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:06.560
<v Speaker 1>back when all purchases were made in Microsoft points and

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:10.520
<v Speaker 1>the points did not match up point to dollar, so

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 1>it became hard to judge how expensive something was because

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 1>you would be given the cost in points, but you

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:18.799
<v Speaker 1>would have to do the conversion in your head of

0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:21.239
<v Speaker 1>all right, well how much money would it cost me

0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:24.839
<v Speaker 1>to buy that number of points, and then that will

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 1>tell me how much this is being sold for. It

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:31.320
<v Speaker 1>creates this level obviuse skation. Well, by making stable coins

0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 1>that are tied to specific FIAT currencies, you remove that.

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 1>It makes it more transparent. That's a bonus. But in

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:40.560
<v Speaker 1>the background you would have the Libra coin itself like

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 1>you have Libra USD for the U. S dollar. Right

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 1>well above Libra USD is Libra proper, and David Marcus

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 1>said it would effectively act as quote a smart contract,

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:56.480
<v Speaker 1>stitching together fixed nominal weights of underlying stable coins end quote.

0:34:57.040 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 1>So another way of looking at it is that the

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Libra system would come far more complicated. Gone was this

0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 1>idea of a single digital currency that could smoothly operate

0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:10.920
<v Speaker 1>across the globe. Now you would have different regional Libra

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 1>currencies that could work pretty smoothly within that region, but

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:17.799
<v Speaker 1>there would still have to be conversion issues whenever you

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 1>wanted to send it to a different region. On May six,

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:26.320
<v Speaker 1>the Libra Association announced that Stuart Levy, who had previously

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:29.600
<v Speaker 1>served as an under secretary for Terrorism during two different

0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 1>presidential administrations, would become the CEO of the Libra Association.

0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Levy has extensive experience in detecting and fighting money laundering,

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 1>and the move was seen by some as another attempt

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 1>to appease regulators around the world. Here is someone who

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:48.160
<v Speaker 1>could help make certain that the system that was being

0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:52.359
<v Speaker 1>built would not be one that criminals could easily use

0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:58.399
<v Speaker 1>to move money around. Then on May, things are moving

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 1>really fast now, because we're still just in the spring

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:05.560
<v Speaker 1>of Facebook changed the name of its spinoff, Calibra. You know,

0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:07.600
<v Speaker 1>that was the thing that was to be the digital

0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:10.920
<v Speaker 1>wallet that would work with Libra. The new name was

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 1>no v Now. According to a rep from nov Quote,

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:18.840
<v Speaker 1>when we announced Libra and Calibra last June, we wanted

0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:23.280
<v Speaker 1>to demonstrate that Calibra the digital wallet, was closely linked

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:27.200
<v Speaker 1>to Libra, the global payment system. Both brands were born

0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:29.960
<v Speaker 1>out of the same vision to give people more access

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:33.920
<v Speaker 1>to the global economy. However, we found that Calibra and

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:37.839
<v Speaker 1>Libra sounded too similar and people were getting confused, so

0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:42.400
<v Speaker 1>we set out to create distinction between the two end quote. Now,

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:45.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe that's just the straight up truth. The word no

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Vi was derived from novis, the Latin word for new

0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:53.759
<v Speaker 1>and via the Latin word for way, so it was

0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 1>the new way. Personally, I suspect that part of the

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:02.960
<v Speaker 1>reason for renaming it was to distance Calibra from the

0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:06.560
<v Speaker 1>various news stories, most of which we're shining a critical

0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:10.160
<v Speaker 1>light on the whole project. But I must also add

0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:11.960
<v Speaker 1>that's just a hunch on my part. I could be

0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:15.600
<v Speaker 1>wrong about that. I just feel like a lot of

0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 1>the renaming that we're talking about here was an effort

0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 1>to say, like, oh, we got a negative association with

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 1>this product, let's change the name and hopefully people won't

0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:29.320
<v Speaker 1>carry that association to the new name. So no more Calibra.

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Now we have no Vi. And the plan was to

0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:34.760
<v Speaker 1>incorporate Novi into Messenger and WhatsApp as well as launch

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:38.319
<v Speaker 1>a standalone Novie wallet app, and this would be how

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:42.280
<v Speaker 1>users would interact with the Libra digital currency okay rolling

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 1>through and the Libra slash Calibra slash nov All of

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 1>that kind of faded from public consciousness. The world was

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:54.760
<v Speaker 1>dealing with a pandemic. The US was in the midst

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:59.719
<v Speaker 1>of a well put lightly a tumultuous election cycle. There

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 1>were tons of concerns about Facebook, but those concerns mostly

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:07.200
<v Speaker 1>had to do with things like misinformation and hate speech

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:11.359
<v Speaker 1>and that kind of thing and an election uh interference,

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:14.680
<v Speaker 1>that sort of stuff, and announced but not yet launched

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:18.759
<v Speaker 1>digital currency really did not merit much attention from the

0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 1>widespread world at that point. In December of the Libra

0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:28.280
<v Speaker 1>Association rebranded and became d M. As in Carpe d M,

0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:32.040
<v Speaker 1>the Latin word for day. The unit of currency would

0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 1>also become the d M. The decision had been made

0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 1>to launch the currency potentially as early as twenty one,

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 1>with a single stable coin tied to the US dollar.

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:47.359
<v Speaker 1>So you might ask why did Libra become d M. Well,

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:49.920
<v Speaker 1>the official word was that this was an effort to

0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:55.319
<v Speaker 1>establish an organizational independence of the association from Facebook, which

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:57.080
<v Speaker 1>is really in the hot seat at this point for

0:38:57.280 --> 0:39:00.200
<v Speaker 1>lots of unrelated stuff, you know, like the misinformation sation

0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:05.920
<v Speaker 1>and election interference stuff. And then we get to oh boy, okay,

0:39:05.920 --> 0:39:09.360
<v Speaker 1>so if Facebook was in the hot seat in it

0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:13.840
<v Speaker 1>really felt the heat turn up in one, uh, the

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 1>in the United States where the infamous riots slash insurrection

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:20.400
<v Speaker 1>on January six, and a lot of people are pointing

0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:23.759
<v Speaker 1>towards social networking platforms as playing a pivotal role in

0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:28.040
<v Speaker 1>radicalization and facilitating to spread a misinformation, among other things.

0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:32.280
<v Speaker 1>Then there was this growing movement against big tech companies

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:35.560
<v Speaker 1>in general and Facebook in particular, as governments around the

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:38.279
<v Speaker 1>world started to question if perhaps these companies might be

0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:42.160
<v Speaker 1>a little too dominant in their respective markets and if

0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:44.239
<v Speaker 1>they might not be playing by the rules, if in

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:47.880
<v Speaker 1>fact they might represent an effective monopoly. Then we have

0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:52.000
<v Speaker 1>the incredible volatility of the crypto market in general and

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 1>the response by regulatory bodies in particular to that to

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:59.279
<v Speaker 1>crypto So right now there is an increased amount of

0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:03.160
<v Speaker 1>activity in the world as governments really come to terms

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>with cryptocurrencies and they start cracking down on various loopholes

0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:10.320
<v Speaker 1>and contributing to a pretty rough situation in the crypto community.

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:13.360
<v Speaker 1>There's lots of talk of regulations around the world, something

0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:15.680
<v Speaker 1>that you know, the crypto community was really kind of.

0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:20.200
<v Speaker 1>It was born out of this idea of an unregulated system,

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:23.200
<v Speaker 1>and now we have the potential for regulations to come

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:26.640
<v Speaker 1>creeping in. Now it would be an oversimplified statement to

0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:30.360
<v Speaker 1>claim that government scrutiny is what is leading to crypto prices,

0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 1>declining that's way too simple a view of it, but

0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:38.600
<v Speaker 1>it is a contributing factor. Facebook itself would change its

0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:41.320
<v Speaker 1>name in late one to Meta, and some of the

0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:44.920
<v Speaker 1>names associated with the Libra Slash, Calibra Slash, DM slash

0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:48.000
<v Speaker 1>nov project left the company toward the end of the year,

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:52.920
<v Speaker 1>included David Marcus. He left in November of Morgan Beller

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 1>also left. A third employee who's also referenced as a

0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:59.839
<v Speaker 1>co founder, Kevin Wile, also left at the end of one,

0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:04.160
<v Speaker 1>and the project was left without its internal leadership team

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:08.200
<v Speaker 1>at Facebook. The regulatory bodies were still a huge hurdle,

0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Crypto in general was is going through a rough patch,

0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:15.440
<v Speaker 1>and Meta Slash Facebook is still in the critical spotlight

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 1>for lots of different reasons, so it's not really a

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:22.360
<v Speaker 1>surprise that ultimately all the parties decided they needed to

0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:26.120
<v Speaker 1>just pull the plug on the whole thing, sell off

0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the assets, and try to recapture at least some of

0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:34.240
<v Speaker 1>the initial investment that was made to create the Libra Association. Now.

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Not only is this a setback for Meta's plans to

0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:43.880
<v Speaker 1>incorporate an in system currency program a global payment system

0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:48.520
<v Speaker 1>within Facebook's products, like Messenger and WhatsApp. It's also a

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:53.520
<v Speaker 1>potential enormous blow to the metaverse project under Facebook. UM.

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 1>I have no doubt that one hope that Zuckerberg had

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<v Speaker 1>was that this digital currency, which Facebook would benefit from

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<v Speaker 1>in multiple ways, would be the underlying financial transaction system

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<v Speaker 1>within the company's version of the metaverse, whatever that might

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<v Speaker 1>end up being. But I am absolutely certain that the

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<v Speaker 1>idea was, when we have this metaverse product out there

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<v Speaker 1>and people are able to engage in commerce virtually within

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<v Speaker 1>this metaverse, our digital currency is going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>unit of transaction and we are going to make so

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<v Speaker 1>much money on every side of these deals. And now

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<v Speaker 1>that has kind of fallen through. Now, all that being said,

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook did launch no V the digital wallet, but instead

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<v Speaker 1>of being centered on d M you know what used

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<v Speaker 1>to be known as Libra, the wallet actually works with

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<v Speaker 1>a stable coin called paxss that doesn't have any connection

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<v Speaker 1>to Facebook, and this is in partnership with coin base

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<v Speaker 1>also meta slash. Facebook doesn't hold the funds in this case,

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<v Speaker 1>coin Base does, so it's really just created a digital

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<v Speaker 1>wallet that works with another entities uh funding for a

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<v Speaker 1>stable coin. UH. And this was all intended to just

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<v Speaker 1>be a pilot program to test the various features of

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<v Speaker 1>the digital wallet before d M got deployed. But now

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<v Speaker 1>DM is no more, so it's just kind of there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a digital wallet. There are lots of different digital

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<v Speaker 1>wallets out there. I don't know if no viv is

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<v Speaker 1>a particularly good one or bad one. I don't use it,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't know, but uh yeah, it's that's all

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<v Speaker 1>it is at this point. So this grand vision of

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<v Speaker 1>this global financial system has now sadly withered away to

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<v Speaker 1>just a digital wallet. I say sadly not because I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted Facebook to succeed necessarily, everyone knows my feelings about

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<v Speaker 1>that company. But rather I do wish there were more

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<v Speaker 1>streamline methods for people to be able to send transaction

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<v Speaker 1>around the world without going through all these different, uh

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<v Speaker 1>you know, loopholes or red tape, or having to find

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<v Speaker 1>a way to minimize the amount of money that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be taken out of what you're sending so that

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<v Speaker 1>the person who receives it actually gets something that's useful.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's frustrating, and for a lot of people, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a true hardship. Right. You've got people who are picking

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<v Speaker 1>up stakes and transforming their entire lives in an effort

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<v Speaker 1>to have a better life for themselves and for their

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<v Speaker 1>family back home. And it would be great to have

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<v Speaker 1>systems that facilitated that more effectively, where people were able

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<v Speaker 1>to have more of the money that was sent to

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<v Speaker 1>them actually get to them. I would love to see that. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't necessarily think that Facebook was a great center

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<v Speaker 1>point to make that happen, because I have lots of

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<v Speaker 1>issues with Facebook the company or Meta the company, but

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to see the effect come about at

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<v Speaker 1>some point. Anyway, it's all moot now because it is

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<v Speaker 1>no more. It all got dissolved. The folks who were

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<v Speaker 1>connected to it have moved on to other projects or

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<v Speaker 1>are currently on hiatus. I think David Marcus posted that

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's currently in a hiatus looking for the next thing, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So, I'm sure they'll all land on their

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<v Speaker 1>feet and they'll be fine. I'm worry about some of

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<v Speaker 1>the lower level folks who are working on this. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what happened to them, don't know if they got

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<v Speaker 1>reassigned to other teams within Facebook, if they were let go.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea all the companies that were part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Libra association. They're all fine, they're all huge.

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<v Speaker 1>So if they're not fine, it's not because of Libra

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<v Speaker 1>association going under. That's something else. So I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was an interesting story to cover one That is another

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<v Speaker 1>example of how this is tough right just there, there's

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<v Speaker 1>this this thought in tech that if you of the

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<v Speaker 1>technological capability of doing something, then everything else is easy,

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<v Speaker 1>when in fact, I would argue the technological part, like

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<v Speaker 1>making the thing work technologically is the easiest piece, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when you're talking about stuff that has to do with

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<v Speaker 1>giant global finance. Everything else is way more complicated than

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<v Speaker 1>the tech side. It's relatively simple to get the tech

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<v Speaker 1>to work. It's navigating the incredibly Labrinthian arrangement of financial

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<v Speaker 1>relationships around the world. That's the hard part. Like, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter how good your widget is if if the

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<v Speaker 1>world is still super complicated, And it's a good lesson

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<v Speaker 1>to remember just in general, not just for the case

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<v Speaker 1>of cryptocurrency or digital currency, but generally speaking, like we

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<v Speaker 1>have this tendency to put a lot of faith in

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<v Speaker 1>technology to solve problems without fully understanding the scope of

0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:04.239
<v Speaker 1>the problems we're tackling. And that's always a danger. I

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